The F-15EX... will be vastly superior to anything in the air, whether the Su-57, J-20 or the F-35. It will be equal to the F-22 and all of you who thought that the F-15 could be bested or replaced, will be humiliated. It will be the F-4 Phantom of the 21st Century. The USN should cancel any further procurement of the Super Hornet and buy the F-15EX
>>41747207NOW THIS IS SHITPOSTING
>>41747207Will the F15X be stealth?
>>41747396will the f35 be in 10 years?
>>41747207>The USN should cancel any further procurement of the Super Hornet and buy the F-15EXCocaine is hell of a drug
>>41747207It has a big butt...
>>41747207I'd rather it were more similar to the F15C. Lighter, single seat, no CFTs. What I don't know is if Boeing is even able to build a F15C equivalent. They've been pretty fixed on pumping out F15E variants in recent years.
>>41747416More stealthy than your pet wunderwaffen, nerd.
Considering the F-35 is dropping below $80 million in Lot 13, this seems pretty useless
>>41748603>Trump just praised Poland for getting F-35sSprey on suicide watch
>>41747207It’s obvious that the US will close the deal for hundreds of these things. I believe they are to missle trucks sucking up targeting information from forward deployed F35s. Each plane has its place.
>>41747396thousand times folded quantum stealth
>>41748603Isn't the F-15 kept around as missile trucks and interceptors because the F-35 can't carry as much ordinance nor does it have the speed?
>>41747207F-15EXF-1 5EXF-1 SEXKino
>>41747207Perhaps, but the first drone fighter/interceptor will destroy the best piloted fighter/interceptor 80/20 in its worst statistics.
>>41748735It's 'kept around' because F35 production has only begun. There are only 200-300 F35s right now. Once the F35 hits the 1000-1200 mark, you'll start seeing old birds retiring.
>>41748756First drone fighters will probably be optionally manned normal fighters, so probably not.
>>41748735Aircraft in combat rarely exceed M1.6, the F-35As’s and F-35C’s will most likely be getting new racks that allow 6 internal AMRAAMs.Missile trucks always seemed like a bit of a meme unless we develop some new multistage LRAAM.
>>41748785The true benefit of A2A robots isn't maneuverability, it's tactical planning and situational awareness. Same reason the F35 blows out 4++ planes.
>>41748756>implying implicationsIt's not that simple, you know. It's not like drones are fucking self-piloting, they're still flown by humans sitting in chairs many many miles away. A self-piloted plane would be great at delivering ordinance, but just look at videogame AI in such things as flight combat simulator games (which is where the AI is going to be the most advanced by far), and then extrapolate that to the real world, where the computera) is much less powerful than a consumer box because reliabilityb) has to deal with much more strenuous work cycles and loads placed upon it physicallyc) does not know all the variables at handd) DOES NOT KNOW ALL THE VARIABLES AT HANDe) cannot learn and plan and change tactics dynamicallyf) requires a significant amount of time and effort placed into changing tactics, which are made by people who aren't actually putting their lives on the line and have no idea what works because of thatThe technology for actual self-piloted planes is still decades out, it's just that the roles that our planes are generally filling now are simple enough to not require a proper pilot. As soon as the actual A2A starts happening (or even serious A2G), a pilot will be pretty fucking important, and if we cease to train pilots because lolcomputers, we're doomed.>of course, that's exactly what's going to happenOh, andg) can't actually take advantage of the lack of squishy pilot to make better G-loading turns, because there's not a large-scale design that can support loads beyond what a human can take, and pushing designs to that point would make them incredibly overspecialized
>>41748810>AI>tactical planningGonna stop you right there, bud. Situational awareness, maybe, but tactical planning is fucking retarded.
>>41747207Fuck off War on the Rocks shill. We all know that once you upgrade a 4th Gen airframe with 5th gen electronics, it doesn't end up any cheaper,
>>41748785Why have aboard such a liability in a high-G maneuver, when that is your reason to be?
>>41747207Maybe you Boeingniggers could design something new that doesn't suck instead of leeching off of McDonnell Douglas like some sort of disgusting parasite, and you wouldn't have to shill your day-late-and-a-dollar-short 4th gen fighter.
>>41748826>It's not like drones are fucking self-piloting, they're still flown by humans sitting in chairszzzzz bait.0/10
>>41748834No, u. AI excel at out-planning human pilots. Memes like >>41748826 'know all the variables' (tip: human pilots don't) and the notion AI use template tactics are long obsolete.example: https://magazine.uc.edu/editors_picks/recent_features/alpha.html
>>41748869Optionally manned means that it can be launched crewed or not. Not that you send it up with a meat bag in it while some faggot in an air-con'd room half a globe away pushes the airframe to its limits
>>41747207>It will be the F-4 Phantom of the 21st CenturyThis is probably an apt analogy, because the F-4 was perfectly capable of remaining competitive with upgrades but got intentionally shafted so it wouldn't compete with newer and more expensive planes.
>>41748869The first optionally manned fighters will be today's fighters. You'll see F-35s used as drones eventually.
>>41748915All known 6th gen fighters will be, at most, have unmanned operation as a feature, not be built as drones. Why is that if the AI is as advanced as you claim?
>>4174896250% future proofing, 30% fighter mafia, 20% bureaucratic self-protection.
>>41747207Go home Tyler, your drunk.
>>41748953>its limitsWhat limits might that be?
>>41747207>F-15EX>F-ISEX>Fighter I SexFucking lel. What absolute madman came up with designation?Appropriate though, Eagles are sexy planes.
>>41748962>as advanced as you claimnigga that's not advanced, that's basic bitch shit. the secret sauce in ALPHA was fuzzy logic (good for preventing over-optimisation) but the tactics? Pure evolutionary learning with some weighted rules, the same as human pilots. But AI aces can do 10,000x the reps for 1% of the cost.
>Thinking that the reason for AI is to increase G-limitAirframe loads are a bigger factor than people realise, the Navy doesn't limit operational loads to 7.5Gs because Navy pilots are weaklings.Achieving the thrust to weight ratio required to maintain super high G manuevers isn't a walk in the park either.
>>41749011It's not AI specific. It's the mark of people trapped in 4th gen thinking, where E-M dominates all and networks barely exist, except as primitive analog voice coordinated manually in an AWACS.
>>41748999You're being pedantic. If the AI is capable of performing tasks as good or better than a human pilot, then why are all known 6th generation fighters piloted?
>>41749040No 6th gen fighters exist, sweetie.
>>41749085Except every design we've seen so far includes a cockpit, and the indication that a pilot will be present is there for the programs to produce a 6 generation fighter that have been announced.
>>41747416>10 yearsMore like 2 weeks
>>41749099>trusting PR CGI because you can't understand any computer science beyond the 10th grade levelcringe and boomerpilled. go sign a petition to restart the f22 or a10 production lines.
>>41749205So you're not able to answer my simple question? Yes or no.
>>41749237You answer mine instead of moving goalposts, boomer. Do any 6th gen fighters exist?
>>41749266The F-X, PCA, Tempest, and F/A-XX programs are all in varying stages of development, with the F/A-XX scheduled to enter service around 2030. All of these are described as optionally manned at most. Now are you going to answer my simple question or not?
>>41749099>every design we've seen so farThose are artist mockups for "science & technology" articles on news websites, anon, not actual designs.
>>41749583I wouldn’t be surprised if Boeing’s F/A-XX proposal is an actual design. It’s apparently pretty mature.
>>41749316Yet you still can't get the word 'no' out of your mouth. Protip: 'optionally manned' is the modern admin version of "tank destroyer." It's a pacifier for luddite bureaucrats so they don't see the bolt gun coming up.
>>41749624>Yet you still can't get the word 'no' out of your mouth.Yes, they exist. The are deep in the design stage because they're a decade or less off from the first fielding of one by the navy.>optionally manned' is the modern admin version of "tank destroyer." It's a pacifier for luddite bureaucrats so they don't see the bolt gun coming up.If you could've just said "I don't know what I'm talking about" from the beginning we could've both saved some time.
>>41747396It has bulging conformal fuel tanks, so no.
>>41747207this but unironically
Hopefully they sell a two seater civilian variant. I'd love to have my own f15 with conformal tanks. I wonder how far it could fly.
>>41747396Absolutely! And fuckin 5G!
>>41747207I just wish we could get a re-militarized version of NASA's F-15 ACTIVE from the STOL/MTD program.>canards>3D thrust vectoring
>>41753719How to have sex with plane? PP too small for exhaust
>>41751876Inivisble yet gives you cancer... Just like a fart.
>>41751717OP'S picture is not an F15X its just a normal F15E
>>41754296F-15X gets the CFTs as well, since they're just F-15SA's with the name rubbed off.
>>41753719What does NASA gain from having that plane?
>>41754561NASA researches aviation tech, and the F-15 was a useful test bed.
>>41754561The first A in NASA is aeronautics. They're a government funded air and space research and testing agency. They're the ones who took the F-15S/MTD and put more flexible wings and the 3D nozzles on it. It can take off at 40 miles an hour.
>>41747396Lol a stealth F-15 is the F-22.
People are still jelous that the F15 is the greatest fighter jet of all time.
>>41749642Different anon, but is there physically an aircraft in the world that is capable of flight and that is "6th" gen?