Clone edition.Pastebin:https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNikGit Gud Guide:https://mega.nz/#!86AmzYaA!Z88rBjdIcBeTitTrOLX08LFjqKVzLmUpAWRaUEnyO0YPrevious thread: >>41704704
>>41740817Taurus makes more reliable firearms than sig these days. Change my mind.
>>41740835No, you're being silly.
Is Taurus' PT1911 any good?
I am gonna buy one of those turk m92 clones and none of you can stop me
>>41740907Stop you? Post results
>>41740817Aesthetically speaking which is more peak 80s, the 92 inox or m9(Yes I know historically the Inox wasn’t offered at the time)
>>41740919perhaps, but perhaps I shall say nothing driving you mad
>>41740935Basically I want this song in gun formhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A52--FKUQgU
>>41740835>>41740867my dad's actually got one of those Taurus M9 clones and it's a surprisingly nice gun. Pretty sure he got it back in the 80s after they bought the Beretta factory in Brazil.
what are some good carry 1911s? I have a nice colt government model that fulfills my ww2 needs, but I dont like carrying itId like a commander length, though im not opposed to another government or event compact model, I like it to be more modern and tactical looking, novak sights, black finish or some kind of finish that is resilient to EDC. Prefer it to not have a rail, and im leaning towards .45 but am open to 9mm. Im not looking to spend over a 1000 and my ball park is more the 7-800 range
Who has the oldest glock on this board?
What are /k/'s thoughts on the stupid cheap Walther Creed?
Notice me senpai.....
>>41741052Stupid cheap guns are stupid cheap for a reason. You'd have to be stupid or desperate to buy one.
Unironically, why aren't more modern firearms designed with inner slide rails for a lower bore axis and higher grip? Is it because of mouthbreathing retards "not having enough space to rack the slide?'
>>41741074Fair point. Just seeing it for less than 250 on sale different places. Thought it might be a fun cheap impulse buy
P-please be nice to me anon....
>>41741113>>41741073That's pretty neat, what's it called?
>>41741073>>41741113anon, could you please regale us about that fine firearm you've procured
>>41741123Model 1913Jp sauer and sohn, suhl..32 auto
>>41741091bc it's a fucking meme that CZ uses to coerce poor impressionable zoomers into sucking their dick
>>41740935>>41740968Late 2nd gen smith imo, or early 3rd generation. 439, 459, 3906, etcBut if it has to be those two, the inox.>>41741005pbp has a gen 1 17>>41741052I have a PPX which I think until recently was a FANTASTIC gun for the money. The Creed is just a slightly updated PPX which seems to lack complaints about the composite barrel's feed ramp being wiggly which was the main gripe about the PPX. It's subjective but I think the ergos are quite good, and the trigger on my PPX at least is EXCELLENT, remarkably good for something so cheap. Uses the P99/PPQ/PPS sight dovetail. Mags are high quality Mec-gar.I say "until recently" because we've had a glut of really astonishingly good budget guns lately like $170 G2Cs, $300 92Ss, $350 P10Cs and M&P M2.0s, $420 Berettas, etc. It's not as solid a choice anymore because you could get a good gun for a lot less, or a great gun for a little more. I still think it's a good buy, but you should try to find one locally that you can feel and dry fire first, or better yet rent before you buy, in case there's something you can't tolerate.tl;dr They're not crap, but they are obviously built down to a price.>>41741091It doesn't really have a low bore axis, it's just that Sig P226s and HK USPs have abnormally high bore axisesessses. Not that it matters, those are both great soft shooting guns too.
I want a gun in .40, so far Ive got my list down to>sig sauer p320>sig sauer p226/229>smith and wesson M&P>walther ppq>glock 22/23>HK USP, VP40, p30in no particular order, which would be the best and why? Im leaning away from the glocks and Sigs because I already have them in 9mm and my autism demands that the more classic pistols like those should stay in 9mm>
>>41741157>I want a gun in .40
>>41740898>Taurus >GoodYou can only have one buddy
>>41741157>Choosing .40 sw over The Holy Centimeter
>>41741157USP40 gets my vote because 1: It's quite comfy to shoot despite the caliber2: Copsurps are still dirt cheapAh crap. I looked, nevermind, they're inexpensive but not super cheap anymore. And not widely available. rip $365 USP40sWell. I guess I'd just say not to get a PPQ or VP40 in .40, because those two in particular already have slightly higher recoil even in 9mm. I haven't shot them in .40, but surely they'd be less pleasant in .40?Also,W H Y ?HY?
>>41741157I know its not on your list but I woud recommend a Walther p99 Or Smith and Wessen Model 99.The benefit of a DA/SA and Striker fired if thats your fancy.
>>41741221I dont own a .40 yet and have some fuck you money. Im also getting bored of the standard 9mm, .45 and .357 magnum load out so ive been searching for less then common but not too obscure calibers. .32 ACP, 10mm .38 S@W, ect. It just seems foolish to not have one even if its just a fuck around range toy
>>41741157Grab a dirt cheap copsurp USP40, can't be beat for ~$400.
>>41741221>>41741247Uh oh conflicting recommendations!>>41741255Ah well in that case why not skip the caliber answer to the question nobody asked and go right to .45 or .357 or something big?imo .40 is justified either if the gun has historical, collector or interesting value, or if the gun itself is so cheap that you could use the money saved over a more desirable 9mm to buy x,000 rounds of .40 to shoot and git gud. But .40 just for goofs? Nah imo
>>41741255I'd say get a Tangfolio in 10mm, but that's probably just because I really want a Tangfolio stock 3 in 10mm
>>41741312>TangfolioIt's Tanfoglio. The name sounds retarded because knockoff guns in 10mm are retarded.
>>41741157>.40Well, if you have to... PX4 Storm. Trust me, it's going to beat everything else in your list.
>>41741255I got a .40 for the sole reason to have something to shoot without being scalped like a mofo if there's ever an ammo panic again
>>41741156Thank you BurtInox it shall be
>>4174125540 is fine, it’s actually fun to shoot something with a bit of recoil that doesn’t cost a lot more than 9. I think a p226 in 40 would be pretty damn cool
>>41741312BasedAlso they should change their name to Tangfolio, it sounds much nicer
>>41741091You must have manlet hands to be able to rack one properly.
>>41741980work on your grip strength bitch hands
>>41741712Instead of a hard case with a chamber flag it comes in a portfolio and a packet of Tang
>>41740817 حلوو اوي حلو جدا
>>41740835I hate sig and even I have to admit you're wrong.
Is hornady critical defense actually a good carry ammo or is it just marketing memery? 9mm glock 43 and 19 depending on attire.
>>41742482Get a non hand destroyer gat and feed it Winchester Ranger +p
>>41740817Guys...guys....is it bad that all I want to do now is collect a shit ton of 1990's and 1980's SAO or DA/SA doublestack 9mm 15+ full size pistols?And maybe have like one of each variant that is upgraded with today's features giving them the finalized version they never got? Much like Beretta did with the M9A3 or in aviation like Boeing did with the F15SE?Am I turning autistic? I have a P-09 and got to shoot my bud's CZ75 B omega...there is something way better about it that makes it feel...less like a toy. Like I don't want poly pistols any more.
>>41741311Eh, unless you somehow get a kick out of recoil, there is much more to be gained by shooting different types of pistols vs ammo IMHO. > t. Creatine guzzling ree-ree who drunkenly shoots RDB's like a pistol onehanded for fun (seriously, they are near perfectly balanced with 15rounds of 5.56.
>>41742624>mfw he didn't read the filename
>>41741052Good gun for the money, get it
>>41742482It's great ammo, but the shape means some guns won't reliably feed it. Virtually all guns are designed to feed bullets of a specific (and typical) ogive for a given caliber. Introducing a straight cone to a gun expecting a gentle ogive doesn't always work out. If you're gonna carry Hornady cone bullitz, buy at least 200 rounds to put through the gun first. Even that's not really enough to know it's dead reliable but it's a good start.The same applies to tips as well, some guns will hang up on certain hollow points.tl;dr You should ideally test as many rounds of your self defense ammo in your self defense gun as you can comfortably afford, ESPECIALLY meme ammo.>>41742550Sounds like a good kind of autism to me. 90s were great and deserve great representation.
>>41741157>.40>not getting a 45 like pic relateddelet yourself
>>41741157i'mho save USP for 45
>>41741980>grab the top of the slideworks just fine tbqh senpaibesides, the only reason you should ever need to rack the slide under combat or competition conditions would be during a malfunction, and if you have a malfunction in either circumstance you're already fucked
>>41742504Nice! What year is it dated? How much do they go for now?
Is it just me, or is it odd that Glock makes standard and subcompact formats for their .45 and 10mm autos, but not compact?
>>41742624>tfw I now stare more at the thighs and slight bit of belly more than the titsWhat’s happening to me??
Improved hi point...
>>41743688Kimmy GrangerEnjoy kiddo.
>>41742742Yo Burt. I hear you've got a Grand Power or two. What's your opinion on them?
>>41743713Improved Glock* and you’re fat
>>41743569They do. They don’t make them for .380
>>41743915The only 10mm models I know of are the G20 (standard), the G29 (subcompact), and the G40 (long-slide). Though, I will admit that I missed over the G38 somehow, so I guess they do have a compact .45Also, the G25 is a compact .380, though I suppose you could argue that it doesn't count.
Can someone clarify the m&p line for me? I want a full sized (5") and I had heard about the pro series. Is there not a M2.0 for the pro? I don't want to deal with the shitty first gen trigger.
>>41744062There's Pro versions of the 2.0, I think they just released them but they have a bunch on their sight.
>>41744062The 2.0 isn't the massive improvement everyone claims it to be. You're going to apex it anyway might as well save money and get a 1.0
>>41744161I have an apex on my g19 and love it. It felt better than the normal 4.25 m2.0 trigger I felt at my lgs, so I assumed 2.0+apex would be the best possible to surpass it
I want a .357 SIG gun because fuck you, that’s why. Should I get a G32 for price and aftermarket or a P229 because it’s the gun that was built for it?
Any advice on what I should get between a CZ 75 Shadow vs Tactical? Range only gun. Is the trigger really that worse on the tactical compared to the Shadow?
>>41743688They don’t have any tits but have pretty substantial thighs and bodies that look good for kissing and cuddling.t. Just as fucked up as you
>>41744236If you can find a Gen 3 G32, go for it. Gen 4 and later slide finish is ass.
Thinking about picking up a Ruger SR-1911 for my next gun. Anyone here have any experience with one?
>>41740898Yeah, I’d get one if it’s what you want, especially if a rail is a big deal to you and you don’t wanna drop more money on something else
>>41741157Avoid the p30, it’s probably the harshest recoil of any of your options
>>41740817Just picked up this Model 19 yesterday. It was made in 1975 and it's in super nice shape. Very stoked to shoot it.
>>41744671Here it is next to my 1977 Colt Trooper. For two very similar guns they feel completely different. The target grips on the Smith feel a lot nicer than the stocks on the Colt, but the Colt's action seems smoother, with a longer but lighter trigger/hammer pull. Might be because the Smith hasn't been shot as much, but both are in great shape for their age.
What is /hg/'s thoughts on the Beretta APX? Anyone own and/or have handled one?
>>41744713idk anything about it other than it looks retarded
I want a compact now
>>41743966>>41743569Ever see a glock 30/29 side by side with a 19? They’re almost the same size.
>>41744713It's a Glock but not. Isn't really a whole lot to say about it.>>41744754It's less toblerone-looking in person.
What da/sa comes with, or can be modified to have, the best sa trigger? Crisp break, small over travel, short and positive reset. I'm disappointed that the cajun short reset stuff does hardly anything
>>41744713Ergos are great, trigger feels pretty good. Sights are fat and not very precise. Traction on the slide is fucking awful, those humps don't help at all.
>>41745213>Sights are fat and not precise. Can't that be said about most stock sights on literally any 9mm handgun?>Traction on slideI can see that being an issue if your hands are wet/slippery.
>>41745260>Can't that be said about most stock sights on literally any 9mm handgun?Yeah, but I felt it it was notable in this case. Big, blocky, huge dots. Enough that it made getting decent groups more work, despite the nicer-than-most trigger. Wouldn't be a big deal if there was a better aftermarket.>I can see that being an issue if your hands are wet/slippery.It absolutely is. If it has a bit of oil on the slide, or if you just cleaned it, it can be astonishingly difficult to rack.
>>41745284What would be a good alternative to an APX that isn't an M&P or Glock? I already own an M&P and I've shot Glocks before. I don't care for Glocks. They seem too bland to me.
>>41745303I think the APX and VP9 are pretty much tied as far as comfiness/ergos go. The P10C, PPQ, P320 and 509 just don't FEEL as good to me as those two do.
Just bough this, what can I do as far as polishing the interior and exterior? Wouldnt mind making this bitch as shiny as possible
>>41745641I can't tell you how to polish it but I do have one that someone else polished and can tell you that it looks pretty snazzy, although I would probably prefer one with a stock finish.If you lived in the same state as me and the finish on your gun isn't trashed I'd probably trade you.
>>41743754I have one, looking to get more.They're nice. Well made, stainless slides and barrels, GREAT triggers (like top 5), good ergonomics with interchangeable backstraps. Mags can be hard to find and expensive, the grip texture is on the less grippy side and takedown/reassembly is annoying because of how the rotating barrel has to be aligned, but they're great guns, great shooters.And they're pretty cheap! Not cheap like they were a few years ago, but definitely sub-$400 which is also great!https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/8588005808309https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/588005808286Fun fact about Grand Power: They have a serialized chassis in the frame but only some versions of some models have a cutout to make the serial number externally visible on the right side. Despite that, GP has no modularity, they offer no replacement frames or slides and instruct users never to disassemble the frame. Grand Powers therefore have serial numbers engraved in four places.>>41744062>>41744161Mostly this. The M2.0 does dramatically improve the trigger from the old one, but mostly because the old M&P trigger was so bad it had a long way to go. M2.0 is good but it's still not great.My C.O.R.E. has a Pro trigger and if that's any indication of the M2.0 Pros as well, the Pro is barely better than regular. Get a full Apex DCAEK if you want a great trigger in an M2.0. But honestly factory trigger is very very usable, good enough for me and I'm a trigger snob. I put an Apex in my old M&Ps but not in my M2.0 because it's good enough that it doesn't need it in my opinion.
>>41741156How do you like your CHP pistol?
>>41746255It's a really cool gun to me, I like every singe thing about it except shooting it. Despite being all steel, it has more recoil than my P99 in .40. Doesn't really matter, but when I have other softer .40s (or better yet 9mms) that are funner to shoot, it means the CHP gets picked last.On paper though it's super rad. All stainless steel, super rare integral rail, high quality steel sights, checkered front strap, super crisp, short trigger, gnarly 90s styling, relatively cheap.
>>41745745Nope, thats exactly what i want. Gonna reorder factory grips and polish the shit out of it. Also am looking into hydrodipping the grips, the wood ones look nice from the side but are so thick they throw off the aesthetic of the gun.
>>41744713It's a nice pistol. A bit better than your run-of-the-mill Glock clone, I'd say. I think the other anon's have summed it up nicely, although I haven't had problems gripping the slide yet. (just oiled, not water)
Anybody got hands on these yet? What did you mount it to (bonus points for not a Glock). How well does it conceal? Is the extra space it takes up significant when compared to an RMR?
>>41744815get an 84 and a 70 too
>>41747575Just get a tub of Flitz and a buffing wheel/dremel bits and go to town
>>41747575I'm not sure about the hydrodipped faux wood grips, but I'm all for the rest of that plan. I bought some very cool vintage Farrar grips (pic related) and while they looked excellent they weren't all that comfortable and they got in the way of the decocker. Unfortunately, factory grips are probably your best bet. The gun is thicc enough that Hogues would probably be awful, and the Pachmayrs look pretty chintzy.
Are the PT92 and Turk CZ clones approved poorfag guns?
>>41748651Yeah they work fine, but a real Beretta or CZ isn't really that expensive.
What is the logic behind decockers that don't fully lower the hammer on guns like cz? It makes me uncomfortable. I feel as though it would be much easier to catch on clothing in that raised position, or I could break something internally if the hammer was struck from the rear while resting on that notch
>>41740817is a used surplus fine too?>gently used
>>41748651Yeah. But like anon said, they're right in that zone between actually cheap guns and spending a little more to get something that's quite good. Lots of great stuff in the low-mid $300s means you don't have to settle for less.>>41748731Used to be because guns didn't have firing pin safeties, so a half-cock notch would keep the hammer off the firing pin, preventing a round from firing if the gun were dropped directly on the hammer. So, since back then you didn't want the hammer to pop the firing pin, it'd decock into the half-cock notch for safe carry, where you want it.Nowadays it's probably just legacy since almost everything has a firing pin safety that's disengaged only by a pull of the trigger.
>>41741157Here anon, I heard this guy is reliable http://summitgunbroker.com/usp-v1-tex.html
>>41748838He's all sold out of copsurp USPs. That was the first place I checked too.
>>41748788Okay so theres no point on the modern pistols, now it bothers me even more. Rip sp-01 tactical. But before common firing pin blocks wouldn't it be pretty easy to snap the hammer off the safety notch and hit the firing pin anyways? Internal parts are pretty small and fragile
>>41748956The Shadow 2 doesn't have a firing pin block, it's one of the modern exceptions.In terms of value, it's roughly as likely to slip off the safety notch as it is to break through the firing pin block.
>>41744694Where are my fellow spinnibois?
>>41748956I wouldn't say there's no point. Putting the hammer on half-cock gets rid of the first 1/4" of heavy DA trigger pull, which makes it easier to get the DA trigger started. Pulling a DA trigger from all the way forward is noticeably more difficult. They may be other reasons it's there as well, like preventing wear on a CZ's firing pin retaining roll pin which are known to bend over time when dry fired.I don't see what the big deal is.
wheelie boi reporting
>>41749168Very nice. I love those old Rugers.
>>41749219Thanks. . nice Trooper there, that's on my want to buy list
Walther Pps m2 ordered. Thanks to the anon that reminded me it existed last thread and saved me $150 over buying a shield 2.0.
>>41749240Mines pretty smooth, I dig it. I'd recommend it if you're looking for a vintage .357 that's a little different.
>>41741002Dan Wesson guns are fucking top notch for the money you pay, and are probably the last stop before you end up spending an absolutely disgusting amount on a custom gun for only a few features that the Dan Wessons dont haveColt, Sig, Springfield, and even Ruger make very good entry level 1911s with good features, but if you already have one of those and want a serious 1911, Dan wesson is a solid brand very few people have anything negative to say about.the Vigil is their "budget" line which runs about 1000-1100 on the street, but for what it is, someone like wilson combat or ed brown may charge you 2000 for the same gun so its worth it.
>>41749219I want that Smith
>>41749483You can still find them for cheap if you look around. They're still very underrated guns. Full of 80s-90s nostalgia, these were the quinessential cop guns for a while.
I love everything about the M9a1 after shooting it and I want one to carry. But the front sight being fixed really bothers me. Trijicon won't sell loose vials anymore so you can't even tap it for night sights. Hundreds extra for an a3 or vertex slide with dovetails, so close but so far
Spin it 2 Win it
>>41749550Pretty sure the 92A1 has the dovetailed front sight, and costs less than an A3
Anybody train a lot on striker guns and eventually move back onto da/sa? I borrowed a family member's HK to try out to see if I want to make the switch, but that DA pull is killing my draw times, not to mention it's fucking with shooting accurately without a support hand.If you found making the switch was worth it, why? And how long until your first shot times went back down to catch up with your first shot times on a striker?
>Anybody train a lot on striker guns and eventually move back onto da/sa?I train a lot with both. I prefer striker for defensive use. >but that DA pull is killing my draw times, not to mention it's fucking with shooting accurately without a support handShouldn't be hurting your draw time at all, but I agree. Shooting a da/sa one handed, especially the first shot is a weak point for it. As much as I love da/sa, Striker is the future. Every trigger pull, from first to last shot is the same. Striker fired firearms are more reliable in dirty environments due to it being internal, unlike a hammer fired gun where it is exposed to the elements. My main carry gun is still a px4 compact, but I wouldn't ever recommend a new shooter to go anything but striker or single action.
BURT buy all my guns I'm bored of /k/
I bought a Zastava M70a and I love it. But, why are mags so fucking expensive?Any tips for converting other mags? I’ve heard about the p38/p1 mag conversions.
>>4174875092s is better than a clone, yes
>>41750311>Shouldn't be hurting your draw time at allWorded that badly. Time from holster to index is the same, but time to get trigger to the rear on that DA pull compared to a striker is worse. Anyway, thanks.
>>41741129They don’t sound cute
>>41749613I just checked, it doesGood work anon! Hopefully he saw it
>>41741980>fingertip strength of 2 ounces
>>41742624That porn video was a good fap. Think I’ll jerk to it again.
>>41749991Of course it’s going to be difficult, it’s a pretty drastic change from striker. Why is it worth it? >follow up shots will be superior to almost any striker fired gunSingle action is hard to beat>heavier first pull is more forgiving of user errorVery important with the stress of a life or death situation. Especially if you carry appendix, where a mistake could be tragic. The DA first shot and transition can be mastered with practice - just like anything else really.
>>41750471>>41749613I forgot about this too, but Beretta themselves sell Vertec slides (https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/slide-assy-92fs-vertec-inox/jo92fsvtcss/).Could also check Midwest Gun Works and Numrich.
>>41741157PX4 you won't regret it
>>41750588>>41750471>>41749613>>41749550You could always look into having the slide machined, that’s what I did.
I see a few places listing the RAP 401 as DAO, but the Forgotten Weapons video on the pistol appears to show it being DA/SA. Did they make both variations, or is someone wrong?
>>41745359I'm thinking of getting the Beretta APX next. The CZ P10 F is a close second for me.
>>41751641I'd say go for it. It's a nice gun, despite my minor complaints.
DAMNIT STEYRit's halfway through June already, ship the fucking guns
>>41740867I wish there was a way to convert the Thunder 9 to SAO and make it take Beretta mags.
>>41752012The Beretta mags part is no problem, just make a new cutout in the mag body.idk about SAO, the XT's DA is so incredibly smooth I think it's not needed. Dunno about the reggo Thunder Pro/TPR
What type of holster should I get for Taurus 9mm? I don’t know the exact model but it has the word “millennium” in it and it’s a compact but not a mini.
What does /hg/ think about NOS SIGs? I'm seeing some NOS and department non-issue guns pop up for sale at pretty low prices for what is essentially a new gun.
>>41752706I think he's talking about those certified refurbished ones. If the price is right go for it but most of them I've seen aren't much a savings over new
>>41752706New Old Stock. When it comes to firearms and car parts, it often refers to unused/new items that have been in inventory for a while, usually to the point of becoming 'old stock' - not of the current generation/date.
>>41752760Not talking about SIG's CPO. If you check on some of the popular trading sights you'll probably see what I'm talking about. There seems to be quite a few PD non-issue and NOS guns available right now; I'm just not sure if there's any value in buying the 'old' version of the P229 at the reduced prices when compared to new.
At what point does slide length start to make follow up shots and transitions slow for you guys? Maybe it's a trick of the eye because of the longer sight radius but I can run drills faster with my glock 17 than my buddies 34 under 15 yards. A slide that long seems to flip more and the balance makes it less maneuverable
>>41752208Just checked and it’s a Taurus Millennium G2 PT111 9mm.
Going to buy CZ Shadow 2 for limited USPSA, any recommended mods for limited div? Looking at CGW shadow 2 kit
>>41753689Isn't the Shadow 2 too heavy for some of those divisions? I know Primary Machine does a milling package to bring it down under a weight limit for something
Looks like the big iron thread is gone, so posting here. Anyone have any experience with Uberti, how's the quality? My erection for this is strong, but will I regret the purchase?
>>41754197I had one for a while. It was alright. The trigger was very light and the grip was a little awkward. I think mine might have had a fired casing bind up up at one point, but I didn't shoot it much because .45 LC is expensive. Traded it for a Blackhawk and didn't really regret it, but it was a fine gun.You'll have fun with it, anon.
>>41754277Lord, that is beautiful. Thanks for the input, anon.
>>41740817any good single stack sub compact pistols that are da/sa?
>>41754289It's definitely a sexy gun. Just a little unbalanced with that long heavy barrel and sail dangling out front.I'd probably get the shorter barrel with the lanyard loop if I had to get one again.
Whats a fair price to pay for a CZ75 Pre-B? I found one locally that has alot of finish wear on it, and the guy wants $450. Pic isn't of the specific gun, but the condition is similar.
>>41754405Not really. Old Walther PPs and new Springfield XDEs which aren't very small.
>>41754405You could try and find a SW 3913
>>41754197I have an Uberti Cattleman in .45LC, they're solid guns. The Cattleman II has a safety in the hammer so you can allegedly load a full 6, but I wouldn't trust my life on it and you lose a hammer click for the safety.
Took my P10F out again today. Feel like I'm slowly getting there, this was my last target of the day, 20 rounds at about 15-20-ish feet.
good revolver brands?
>>41756139Ruger, SW, Dan Wesson, Manhuirin, Korth, Colt sometimes and that's about it.
>>41752208I dunno. How much do you want to spend and where are you putting it? It's not really fair to ask without that info, there are a gorillion holsters you could find by googling otherwise.>>41752972Never, the gun's recoil, flip and handling characteristics would be way more important than sight radius for that right?I am not an expert, don't listen to me, grain of salt, imo.>>41754405Does the Beretta 21A and 3032 count? I can't really think of any other subcompacts, >>41755307 and >>41755324 are great options but they're not subcompact, just compact.Walther also has the PK380 and P22 which are small but not subcompact. I think Grand Power could make one because they don't use a traditional coil hammer spring so they could chop the grip right down, but they don't.>>41756028Practice practice practice!>>41754721That's probably a fair price on the market, someone will buy it for that, but it's not a good price for one that beat imo. I wouldn't pay that, I'd be looking to spend more like mid-$300s on that. Or less if it's one of those heebsurp frankenguns.
What are my options for polymer-framed hammer-fired full-sized pistols around $500? I want something for HD and some local competition. I'm mostly torn between the PX-4 and CZ P-07.In particular, my FLGS has a PX-4 for $440 which seems like a good deal.
>>41757983The P07/P09 is a nice gun for short money.
is the polish p64 makarov a heap of shit?
>>41758003No, I enjoy mine greatly. Expect a heavy as fuck DA trigger and a hard to rotate safety though.
>>41758050suddenly have the urge to squat
>>41758050what's the max you'd pay for one?
>>41758115Not sure what the going prices are now. Bought mine like 5 years ago for 240.
>>41758050>that benis grip thocyka-keks
>>41758115Apparently you can get these for 140.https://www.centerfiresystems.com/p-66962-original-polish-radom-p-64-9x18mm-makarov-9mm-czak-training-pistol-szkolna-school-good-condition-with-6rd-mag.aspx
>>41758153>These training pistols were originally, and professionally, modified to have the barrel cut through, firing pin hole welded shut, and firing pin shortenedMaybe you should read the entire description.
I'm looking at 2 different handguns that are essentially the same in ergos and size but one is hammer fired and one is striker fired. P30sk vs vp9sk. I have shot both several times at my range and shoot both well. Which would you choose and why?
>>41757983By "around $500" do you mean "less than $500" so an HK P30 wouldn't count?Grand Power K100 and P1, Beretta PX4, CZ P-07 and P-09, FN FNX, Sig 2022, used HK USP. A Walther P99 isn't hammer fired but it is DA/SA.
>>41758178VP9sk, trigger is light years better
>>41758193I do agree there but that light lem is pretty fucking sweet
>>41758212Still worse than the VP9 and several other striker guns
Not really a /k guy, so forgive my ignorance if I seem retarded, but turned 21 a few months ago and decided I’d like to get a CC gun. Ended up going with the Smith and Wesson shield as i liked the way it felt and the price was right. How’d I do?
>>41758224Fair enough. I've never carried a striker fired gun before after hearing horror stories about holstering related NDs and whatnot. The vp9 might be the one that converts me though
>>41758297Thousands of people carry striker guns all day every day, get a quality holster and pay attention to reholstering, you'll never have an issue. You have a better chance of being struck by lightning.
>>41758178Not quite the same, but I own a p30sk and a PPQ. I train a lot more with my PPQ. I'm probably the only idiot you'll hear say this, but the PPQ trigger is so "light" that I've fired early on a draw just from my finger finding the wall right as my arms decelerate to index the sights. I've also had multiple unintentional double taps running Bill drills under stress. All these bullets hit the target, but still, unintentional.Never once had that issue on the p30sk. I have frozen the trigger, multiple damn times, because of that long ass SA reset, which is the same length on a v1 variant.None of these were issues when I started out, but due to competitive drills at my local club under time, I'm actually getting stressed and fucking up. YMMV.
I own a P229 and a P-01. They’re good range toys, but now I want to get a Glock for practicality’s sake. I’m looking at the G17 Gen 5 MOS FS. Also going to get a threaded barrel and TLR-8 for it. What optic is better: the RMR or SRO? Leupold shills need not reply.
>>41758922SRO, not as bombproof but better glass, FOV, and battery replacement without removing the optic
>>41740817Are berettas, desert eagles, and .357 magnums worth it l? Or are they meme guns.
>>41750487This. Shot halfway across the room. That's some good shit.
>>41759287Are you old enough to buy one?
Posting cyberpunk memes
>>41759146Thanks. What are the best irons Trijicon makes? Sorry if these are stupid questions; as a Sig fanboy, I’ve never needed to swap out the sights before.
>>41759287>BerettaDepends on what you're looking for, but yes. Generally speaking the Beretta line of firearms is quality. >Desert EagleIt is sort of a novelty handgun, sure. It could serve a purpose. It's a big gun designed for big calibers. Generally well-received. Can be finicky with ammo, but as long as you're shooting hot you'll be just fine. >.357 MagnumSort of the same with the Desert Eagle (fuck, it even comes in .357).
do these existdo they reallywhen the fuck they gonna get imported
>>41760151I can taste the onions in the air from here
>>41760228Never shoot production or carry optics, bruv. You're not going to enjoy the smell.
I wanna put an ACRO on this, but first they have to actually import them and then I have to find someone to mill it. I give it July of next year at the soonest for all that.
>>41760539I think there is no way you could fit an ACRO on that, the optic is far too long. See here, this little tiny JPoint JUST BARELY fits between the extractor and rear sight.
>>41740898>its a single stack so I need five mags
>>41751641APX has god tier ergonomics
>>41761025You should have at least 5 mags for EVERY gun you own.
>>41750465I disagree, they are cute.Also that one got too fat from BBQ handouts that it couldn't fly. It's the face of no regrets right there.
>>41761007The rear sight is optional, I'm willing to replace it with something more compact. You might be right though, I'm not sure. I know that L&M mills for an RMR, and the ACRO is about 1/10" longer than the RMR.
>>41761037I want to laugh at the Garand Mags tag but I admire the shit out of that set up.
>>41744713Personally I like the slide bumps because I don't have bitch hands, but the ergonomics are god tier, feels like it was molded for your hand. Only gripe is that the slide release lever is a little smol but that seems to be the trend nowadays
Is there any reason to own a fullsize handgun?1) Aside from CCW, there's always better non-handgun options2) Assuming CCW, unless you're fucking huge, carrying fullsize isn't great3) Open-carry isn't an option everywhere, assume it's not hereGiven the above, I don't see any reason to consider something bigger than a compact.I kind of want to get a 5906 while the surplus is still cheap, but I just don't see the point. I've already got a compact 9mm doublestack that can take extended mags. If I want Steel DA/SA, there's better compact & subcompact options.
do I get a P938 PARA or a Smith and wesson 669?
>>41759728Honestly no idea, I don't use their irons as I prefer black rears(giggity) and fiber fronts.
Hey. Does anyone know what happened to the CZ p10 subcompact? A handful appeared back in February and there's been nothing since.
>>41761948You're a fucking retard so I suppose there's no reason for you to own any gun.
Is it normal for a 1911 trigger to have left-right wiggle?
>>41761063>>41761037>>41761083> all the satire in that picdid you notice the how the HK mags are loaded?that pic is pure classic comedy gold
What is the most reliable .22lr pistol? I'm assuming any brand name revolver
>>41765705I don't know about revolvers but for autos in my experience, no other .22 even comes close to the TX22. Most by like multiple orders of magnitude. Even my Rugers don't come close, no way. They can be magazine finicky, they can gum up with suppressor crap, the mags need tuning.My TX22 did 1,200 rounds with ONE hard stoppage, half of that round count suppressed, with zero cleaning or lube added. No other .22 I've ever shot in my life has done even 1/10th as good as that under the best of circumstances. And since I did that test I've seen 3-4 articles and youtoobs of people saying similar things.The TX22 has a couple of issues to watch out for but if you get one without off-center rifling (seems to have been the early batch only?) and without the slide stop activation halfway through mags, it's a stupendous gun. Also the trigger is better than almost every singlefire and unlike 98% of .22s it holds 16 rounds. And mags are CHEEEAAAPPP so cheap.>>41765005Invariably yes, as well as up-down. Some more than others.
>>41765705Ruger Single Six
anyone know of a good dual single stack 7 round mag carrier?
>>41761007>>41761072Huh, they do. Doesn't look half bad, either.
>>41744469I completely disagree, P30's are unnaturally soft in perceived recoil. https://streamable.com/aa5th
>>41765832Mkiv is great but semi auto is not going to be the most reliable
>>41765893Do you have any experience with the Pistolet 1935A? Seem to pop up for sale every once in a while but haven't heard much about them other than they're a precursor to the P210
>>41766767None. I want one as a mating female for my male P210 Target, but since Ian's video they've been climbing in price. Despite being LITERALLY unshootable because nobody makes, or can make ammo for them. I half hope Fiocci doesn't get off their ass and make ammo for them before I get one.I've been watching the usual sources trying to find a clean one for around $300, but usually some silly lad is trying to get too much or they're listing ones that have had the enamel stripped off or are horribly beat.
>>41766609Caught you mirinCreep
>>41766859I literally chatted her up and dropped her my business card that matchShe had just got her MBA and is a 27 year old retired ballerina, I didn't get a text.
>>41765893I never thought I'd see the day that TAURUS makes the most reliable rim-fire pistol in the world. Hell, it's a surprise to see a most reliable anything coming from Taurus.you have an SR22 still, right? any chance you could compare the two for me? what ammo have you used out of the TX22 so far?
>>41766850FYI, Starline Brass should be ready with primed cases by the end of the year, according to Ian himself, so the clock is ticking...I would assume some functional loads would follow shortly thereafter...
>HK P30SVS>CZ P01I can't decideI'm looking for my first handgun, and I plan on concealed carrying in the 4 o'clock positionPors & Cons of both? which is better?I've narrowed it down to these two
>>41767150P01 is smaller and will conceal better. Has a better trigger too.
How about milsurp? CZ82
>>41767150You're going top print like a motherfucker with those two guns at 4 o'clock. Why not go for the sub-compact version of both? p30sk or Cz Rami?
>>41767150whichever you like more, practice and training is to an insane matter of degree more important than nuanced mechanical differences, take posts like >>41767161 with exceptional amounts of salt Also holster design, carry position and body anatomy are just huge for actual carry considerations, so many people forget and place everything solely on the gun its self, which is limiting and gives false data.
>>41766859Was it mirin', or the controversial side-to-side check.
>>41767646head shake (and hushed curse) at the delayed, pointless second shot on the stopper, hence video title, no more double ear protection at SCSA
>>41767665I gave up on doubling up for pistols out doors, even with e-pro. I got so fucking sick of having to lip read around any running motor or fan.
>>41767689I never had that problem, but I definitely have trouble with some of the further plates in SCSA stages when doubled up, and calling my shots from the sight picture is not at a high enough % to default to at the moment. Gabe White's right tho, gotta lrn2 confirm hits via the sights not the target, in the context of maximizing presentation, transition and sight picture efficiency. Next push where I can burn ammo enough to force gains will be in that area of focus.
>>41762080>>41764142>No reasons>Autistic screechingRight, subcompacts it is
>>41766888Yeah right gigahitler>>41767038I haven't got an SR22. My uncle does but I don't think he shoots it very much.But there's no way the SR22's trigger is as good, and iirc the SR22 is quite small like a Walther P22, where the TX22 is a full size pistol with a full size grip.>>41767069Are they? That's neat. Where the heck would one get 7.65 Longue dies though? Without dies, or complete factory ammo, it's a bit of a larf.>>41767150Go feel 'em both and decide! Or better yet rent and shoot them both back to back if possible.Also that's not a P30S in your pic, just letting ya know. P30S has a safety lever
>>41766767They are great guns, I just wish mine was in better shape. I've been keeping an eye out for a pre-war example.
Shot for the first time today. My mates snapped up the .22 rentals and I was left with a 9mm USP compact. First couple of shots went well, then brass started bouncing off the lane dividers onto my head and I started to flinch like hell. How fucked am I?
>>41767827what does the mag on your bottom right shelf read?
>>41765893This is actually really good advice. I might pick one up this weekend. I also was caught of guard by the G2c getting rave reviews, and was thinking about nabbing one for my girl. Is Taurus redeeming itself now or are these flukes? I had a 617 and it was great, but I know they already have revolvers figured out
I want a giant meme handcannon. 44 mag deagle or mk23? The deagle is easier to find and cheaper.
>>41761071>when you are too fat to fly but its okay because you ate all the sausage
>>41768493>>41768604>Is Taurus redeeming itself now or are these flukes?I'm not one to brand-shit or to brand shill despite what people might say about me but I can find something good and something bad to say about anything. Answering directly, no, I don't think Taurus is redeemed. Some of their other new rollouts like the A U T I S T I C and Curve have had some hiccups, and their older guns and revolvers made in Brasil are still subject to substandard QC. But some of their older guns are still great, like the 702, PT92 and PT22, and Taurus' warranty service seems to really have kicked into high gear with their new US plant, they are doing a great job with CS lately. They even bumped their shitty 1 year warranty up to a lifetime warranty on some of their cheapo guns:https://www.taurususa.com/taurus-limited-lifetime-warranty-2/It's limited, and it doesn't transfer to subsequent owners, but it's better than it was. I had one TX22 magazine with a sticky spring, called Taurus and without blinking they sent me TWO replacements free.So imo soft 'no,' but they're definitely on their way I think. I think of Taurus kind of like 2004-2019 Walther/Umarex or 2010-2017 Sig, where some models are truly GREAT and some are literally dangerous. It's important to distinguish between which is which based on the exact model in question, which revision it's on, and not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.The TX22 and G2C I think are some of the best value and features for money anywhere right now, and both guns seem to be solid and very well regarded. Even the TX22s with the off-center rifling seem to function flawlessly, it seemed to have been a cosmetic thing as I don't recall reading about users having problems with those guns.Taurus revolvers I have no idea about, so I won't say anything other than I've heard good.>>41768797Deagle! Mk23 isn't a magnum hand cannon it's just a tarted up .45 AARP.
What are some good gun belts bros, is leather the only option? It seems really antiquated and fuddish
>>41769244no, there are plenty of good duty belts made from webbing
>>41767169I own one, gonna be honest shooting it was not fun. Fixed barrel is just so goddamn snappy and hurt my hand.
>>41752596I bought this trade in (I think) German 226 for basically nothing and the only cosmetic defect was some scratches on the bottom of the magwell, other than that it didn't even have barrel smilies and there was no rubbing from the takedown lever.
>>41769425Stop posting until you learn more.
>>41769533Learn what? Cz82s are straight blowback, the barrel is fixed to the frame and doesn’t move and 9x18 is pretty much the limit for a small straight blowback gun without it getting unwieldy in recoil. It’s not fun to shoot dunno what I have to learn there? I might be a wristlet I guess but aside from that you’re just an asshole.
>>41769507Why do you think that's German?
Is the SIG P365 g2g now? Going to get my carry loicense soon and I was highly considering the 43X, but I don't want to pay nearly 500 dollarydoos for plastic bucket sights and Glock's classic mushy trigger. Meanwhile, the P365 is smaller, better trigger, and metal night sights standard.
Those Alfa Proj revolvers have been out of stock forever, and only seem to be sold by Czechpoint USA. I only found good things about them, and they sold well, but I never really see them mentioned.Anywhere I can actually find these?
>>41770131If you're considering the 43X, SIG also has their version of the bonus chromosome design.
how much should I pay for a mk iv 22/45 tactical?
>>41770290about tree fiddy
>>41770341I'll poke around my LGS's and try and find on.Planning to do it like this.
Hey so I need a first handgun(already own some shit) but im asking if a makarov is a good first gun to own. I've looked at what I care abnout and im pretty sure its the right one, just chicking if theres anthing i should be looking for.
>>41770131>43XGlock 19 sized gun with half the capacity. Patrician taste
>>41769533>>41769668They're not very pleasant to shoot.>>41770131I'm not 100% shill mode for the P365 but I think it's worth buying now. The only reservation I have are some lingering, unsubstantiated reports of reliability. However of all the credible videos and blogs and websites who have done extensive testing (like not just 200 rounds), I haven't seen any recent production P365s which have any issues anymore. Maybe some anon can link some stuff? Barring links, I think it's fine.I'm only not 100% because everyone else isn't 100%. Like I would never put a P365 on the same level of reliability as an HK USP because that's beyond reproach.>>41770449I mean it's not a horrible gun, but it's not a very good first gun. Heavy, low capacity, crude direct blowback, meh trigger, potentially poor ergonomics (subjective), expensive for what it is.What are you looking for in a firstgun? There must be better choices for you.>>41770412Hey that's an early Mark III like mine with the integrated grips! I cut mine flat and installed escutcheons so I could use normal grips.
>>41770627Heavy,low caoacity, etc. is good for me, this will mainly be a range toy, I'm not getting a cwp anytime soon. trigger is concernign. Is it really expensive? Prices iv'e seen ar at least ok and prices lower in local stores
>>41770627do you know of a mkIV grip set that would sort of match those aesthetics?
>>41767827>Also that's not a P30S in your pic, just letting ya know.thanks anon, I'll definitely take your advice, and i know, I just couldn't find any pics off google that matched the aesthetics of the CZ
>>41767150>all the P30 pictures on the internet and he picks the airsoft gunWhy
>>41770667The weight doesn't help recoil or carry though so not sure why that's a positive.Anywho, for about the same $300 you could get an M&P shield which weighs less and shoots softer and has more readily available, better defensive ammo.>>41770690Which one, the one in your pic or my pic? If your pic then something like those Magpul 1911 grips or Springfield sandpaper grips. If mine, most any type of cocobolo 1911 grips.
>>41769818I don't think it's German, I think it's a trade in. It is German.
>>41770881damn TRP sandpaper grips are hard to find it seems
>>41771014>>41770881ah I found something suitiblehttps://www.ergogrips.net/shop/ergo-xtr-square-bottom-hard-rubber-1911-grip-black/
WHY THE FUCK DOESN'T GLOCK IMPORT THE 46FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUK
>>41770894Post made in Germany stamp
>>41771124because nobody cares
>>41771124Are you me?
Should I get a full size usp45 or a 9mm usp compact?
>>41771817What are you buying them for? The full sized .45 is much more difficult to conceal than the USPc 9mm. Why not split the difference and get a USPc 45?
safetys are by the index finger or thumb on most guns???
>>41740817I’m cashing my check and buying a brigadier inoxWish me luck goys!
>>41766850>I want one as a mating female for my male P210 Target
What is your honest option of the SS m17
>>41771167>>41770894Is the SIG import stamp usually on the side there?
>>41773432Safety too big, slide release too small, bore axis too high, fde is gay
What ar is to ak, glock is to _______ ?
>>41771817I want to say neither because of how different they are. What are you trying to do with it?>>41772960Thumb.Apart from passive safeties, there's only one handgun safety I know of activated by an index finger, it's the slapdash one HK added to the P7M8 prototype in anticipation of requirement for US police departments, which of course fizzled so wasn't put into production. Never heard of an index finger safety before or since.>>41773159Ooh, is this wise? I don't want to tell you how to live your life but I'm a delicate egotistical defensive manchild tripfag so let me stick my nose in your finances. Seems like a ~$700 purchase is something you'd be saving for for awhile, or something you'd have the disposable income to buy already, rather than something you'd buy right after a paycheck. I mean, who am I right? But would it not be safer to save up awhile longer before buying that?>>41773423Got to keep the herd from dwindling.>>41773432I don't like a safety on a striker, and the X-series have better triggers it's said.>>41773822I wouldn't put glocc in that position to begin with because it's too expensive (incomparable to a cheap $350 AR) and adding parts like barrels and triggers doesn't significantly improve a glok, unlike an AR which can be dramatically accurized and made faster and better with parts.But probably Ruger P89 stainless. Chungus, works, doesn't rust, was made in huge numbers so they're cheap.Or maybe S&W M&P.
Glock 43 vs. Shield 2.0 vs. kahr?
budget beretta reporting inWho else tokgang here?
>>41774322Master Race detected
>>41774376desu, the Legions that they have now have better triggers and the slides are just as tight if not tighter.
the SRT kit I installed made up for any potential shortcomings in the trigger
>>41774343thats not a budget Beretta,this is a budget Beretta
>>41741157P30 or P30L
>>41774445Did you save money by not getting a front sight? Or are the 92S’s sights just that bad? When I deployed to AFG the M9 they tried to issue me and get me to sign for was missing its front sight. The MA1 in charge of this fucking RRREEEE’d out about me refusing to accept and sign for it.
>>41774445Nice gun. Budget Beretta is just the nickname I gave my modernised tokarev. You like her?
>>41774489They're just that bad.>shitty sights>heel mag releaseyuros are just retarded
would it be stupid to try and make a custom large button style bolt release for a 22/45 mark IV? I hate the new 'lever' system. same for the safety. Almost makes me want to get a used III.Basically, I want to convert the mk IV controls to a Mark III style.
>>41774583I imagine that I would have to tap that small nub to add a larger button; the safety should be easier though. The cutout is already sort of the same size as on the III
>>41774510>>41774510Gun is awesome, the 3 red dots are cool, fit and finish is great, trigger is nice.It actually conceals nicely with a Hawaiian shirt or light jacket. Doesn’t feel that heavy even though it’s a brigadier, and the scallops on the slide are awesome.Still not sure if I like the finger grooves, I’ll try it at the range
Does a list like this exist for compacts? I have a friend looking to buy a first handgun for cc but I'm heavily biased so don't know what to tell him.
>>41774672Are you talking doublestack compact or single stack sub compact?
>>41774510Oh.I am happy for you! I don't want to be mean.>>41774583I suppose with the right tools you could mill the levers flat, tap holes, and screw on button-like nubs. But the levers will still be external, unlike the Mark III.Is this just an aesthetic thing? I hate the Mark III buttons, they're really hard to get to and use, especially the safety that likes to get stuck on mine. I'd rather have nice big paddles like the Mark IV.>>41774672That's old memes, /hg/ does more tailored recommendations now. Tell us about your friend's wants and needs and preferences.
>>41774694>>41774691He's a masshole who mostly shoots airshit but goes to the range to try out firearms occasionally. No idea his preference and I know he doesn't know what to look for. That's why I'm trying to get a general list and narrow it down from there.
>>41774734M&P 2.0 compact and Glock 19 the best jack of all trades. Start there.
>>41774515I can almost understand the heel release as most militaries at the time still viewed pistols as a last resort, not a high speed low drag operator operating tool that requires lighting quick mag changes... but those fucking sights. I just went to my neighbor/friend’s house to look at the sights on his 92S and after seeing them in person it’s worse than I thought. I mean I get that military arms aren’t generally meant for precision shooting, but you’re almost better off just pointing that thing in the direction of an attacker than actually trying to aim.
>>41774510When did they start stamping the tops of their barrels? Are the new factory threaded barrels stamped like this?
>>41774694I’m good on the money front fren
>>41774763I believe they do only do this on stainless barrels
>>41774672Tell him to go to a gun store and hold a bunch of guns and make a decision. Pretty much any popular handgun will be as good as any of the others, it's all up to what he decides feels good.
>>41774832>>41774746I'll keep that in mind, thanks. I just can't keep myself from pushing him away from ugly guns because looks are important when all the mechanical bits function just as well as each other.
>>41771869Which one is a better shooter overall?
>>41775069For the price, if you're looking at HK, I picked the HK45c. The DA/SA trigger felt better than the USP trigger to me and with the elephant foot mags it fits my hands like it was custom fitted for me.
>>41774494Kek. yep do like. wish i had a tokerev too
>>41774515sights are shit, yesbut the heel mag release is literally fucking nothing. only autists will have a problem with itat first it bugged me just because of aesthetics, but functionally it is no beg deal at all.fast quick and easy to manipulate just fine>inb4 cant go pronelel
>>41774785Oh whew ok!I'm part of the problem when I post pictures, but it breaks my heart when I see people go unsafely for toys when there are bills and rent to pay cause I've been there and it sucks.>>41774763>>41774795Hard to see in this pic but my M9A3 is marked PB - 9x19 on the top of the barrel and it's not stainless
What handguns make good tattoos? Looking at stuff like model 29, usp .45 tactical, SAA, colt 1911 and such. Obviously I would own whatever firearm it is for a while and love it before getting it permanently put on my body
>>41776450>tattoos>gun tattoosDegenerate and cringepilled
>>41776534the /k/ube looks down on you today /pol/fag