Hey California fags, just what the FUCK are you people doing? Jesus christ, you're pathetic.https://www.gohunt.com/read/news/californias-lead-ammo-ban-in-effect-july-first#gs.c6hq7k
Whats with americans and the obsession with ruining your brains with lead?
>>41484288Lead bullets have been used exclusively in guns for literally centuries. Go be a faggot somewhere else.
>>41484315In paint too, in america
>>41484288Literally every military on the planet uses lead in their bullets
>>41484288>t. lives on a raft in the middle of an ocean only ever touching wood and water and only eats coconuts but only if they've been disinfected beforehand
>>41484288If you're ingesting bullets, you're going to have bigger problems than lead poisoning.
>>41484278Do you think politicians openly discuss policies like this as a way to disincentivize gun ownership, or do they just jerk eachother off with talk of how much cancer they'll be preventing while everyone has a tacit understanding of what's actually going on?
>>41484278Reminder that grabbers will use every excuse, so unironically educate yourselves about lead to fuck them and to not poison yourselves. They use this shit every time for hunters and sporters are not to be spared.
>>41484278isnt this unconstitutional?
it's more of a eco thing than gun thing, lead accumulation in wildlife kills off specieskind of a dumb law but i'd buy non-lead ammo if it was more available even if it was more expensive
Presumably this will drive down the price of lead-free ammo and make it more available, which is a good thing overall.
>>41484278>living in Mexico Jr. in the year of 2019Why would you do such a thing?
>>41484402daily reminder that 99% of all surface lead contamination is from automobiles, before they moved to unleaded fuel.
>>41484421promoting blood and soil and stuff like that is kind of shit if you disregard it in your own life
>>41484402Loss of habitats are also a pain in the ass, thanks mass agriculture.Agreed though, lead-free ammo can be a great thing but I think the industry will need time to adapt.
>>41484379>>41484377>>41484355Yeah, whatever. Enjoy your national IQ being 5 points lower than the rest of the western worlds
>>41484395I do think it may be a breach of the 1986 gun owners protection act
>all the libs move out of California because it’s a shit hole>turn red states blueKEK
>>41484278Lol. You can't hunt with traditional muzzleloaders now.Holy shit California.
>>41484440Despite being only 13% of the population...
>>41484381They are trying to make it as hard as possible to get a gun.
>only applies to hunting wow look at all the shits i give i get all my meat from whole foods anyways, get fucked
>>41484414You'll pay more for lead and even more for unleaded. Just like it happened with gasoline.People you never learn from the jeweries of the past.
>>41484278>https://sf.curbed.com/2018/10/26/18028576/united-nations-rapporteur-homeless-farha-human-rights-violantion>Why is a 3rd world country doing dumb shitYeah, dunno. Unless you're eating bullets it's not an issue, if you're worried about contamination in the water supply and it somehow getting though filtration plants then why not require ranges to have proper barriers or some shit. The small amounts in hunting is environmentally insignificant, lead occurs naturally in most rocks containing other minerals, it's literally just going back to where it was anyways.This is only about restricting gun owners
>>41484474American whites have higher IQs than European Whites.
>>41484500This.One becase muh less demand niche product and the other because muh more demand the matter of which unleaded bullets are made only grows on the moon and we can't produce enough oy vey.
>>41484474So your country doesn't have white trash?
>>41484288Lead exposure from bullets primarily comes from the primer.
>>41484554Dear god no, Im a saudi
>>41484331Lead paint has been banned since the 1970's.
>>41484572oh so they're all retarded, gotcha
>>41484440that's entirely due to niggers, not leadamazing really that you think every american is exposed to so many bullets that they become retarded, but the vast sea of niggers that inhabits the southeastern portion of our nation is of no consequence whatsoever. what exactly are you legally allowed to be told about our country in whatever shithole you're from?
>>41484440>Lose argument>Yeah whateverF A G G O T
I think the fucking mods deleted my comment.
>>41484500>You'll pay more for lead and even more for unleaded. Just like it happened with gasoline.https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/gasoline-prices-adjusted-for-inflation/Poor argument, you're dumb and wrong. Lead bullets are more effective overall, bismuth isn't much more expensive, almost as dense, but isn't as soft, and solid copper bullets are already a thing with those screw driver rounds.
>>41484395>California>constitutional rightsPick one
>>41484618Refresh the page into a new tab and you can find out
>>41484618We don't let the severely retarded post in here, only high functioning autists are allowed.
>muh right to get lead poisoning
>>41484589it shouldn't be, at least in 'burbsit lasts long and helps defend against low kiloton yield detonations at a distance
>>41484440Niggers aren't lead, anon.
you realize this only applies to hunting, right?
>>41484278They will move to ban copper and brass next. Second Amendment says to "keep and bear arms". Fucking jews are going to argue it says nothing about ammunition.
>>41484395definitelythey're going full retard
>>41484813there's already decisions that say arms means ammunition as well as things like armor. not like anti-gun people actually read decisions.
>>41484278>CA bans lead ammo>everyone forced to use solid copper or steel core>level II armor becomes useless overnight>level IIIA barely useful>anti gun shills conduct "studies" showing that "the average AR-15 bullet penetrates more than it used to" and "nothing can stop it">shills claim that no one should be allowed to own something that police with body armor can't defend against>mfw CA bans all ammunition because "the bullets are too deadly and evolve too fast".Mark my words /k/ they will try to make us pay for the problem they created.
>>41484693Jesus whept your stupid
>>41484440Europe will be joining us soon, considering the migrations.
>>41484836At that point, California will likely have been annexed by /k/ and renamed the Holy /k/apital.
>>41484836This is just for hunting
>>41484451ShutUpThis is NOT funny.
So uhhhhWhen can we invade California and unironically dispose of the Jewish mafia ruining American clay like op's pic
>>41484589so why is everyone still allowed to pump millions of pounds of lead into the ground all over the placei'm about as pro gun and pro freedom as they come but this is the only "anti-gun" thing that I could ever understand, ever. It's lead dude it's not good for anyone or anything. Sure it occurs naturally but you don't want to fucking sprinkle it all over the fucking Earth
>>41485045Yes yes America bad Europe good, fuck off
>>41485066what? i'm from Pennsylvania
>>41484984>law abiding hunters forced to use solid copper or steel core>anti gun shills argue that hunters don't need AP rounds because armor can't stop it>AP gets banned leaving only meme copper rounds like G2 RIP etc.>all hunters and NRA members are psychopaths according to the left>"oy vey imagine if a hunter with fragmenting rounds went on a shooting spree, it would be anodda shoah">all ammunition banned for hunters>hunting with firearms banned>only people with legal ammunition is tyrone and his downtown gangHow is this any better?
>>41485114I am tyrone
>>41484278Glad I stocked up on DU rounds.
>>41485066>Europe already has more lead sprinkled over it than the US will ever haveThe Euros are just worried that we're going to catch up.
>>41484440>IQ being 5 points lowerCause and effect.Ever stop to consider that low IQ kids spend more time chewing on woodwork, resulting in higher lead concentrations in their blood?
Great. Make sure to stock up on 5.7 before all the Cali fags buy it, since it's lead-free.
>>41485995Fuck its expensive enough as is.
>>41484475Niggers are the biggest problem facing functional society in America, primarily due to their low IQ making them easily manipulated by kikes. Hopefully we can finish the golem story and destroy the jews permanently.
>>41485045Kill yourself liberal. No one is shooting everywhere with abaddon to the point it’s a major lead hazard.
>>41484278lead is terrible for the environment ad toxic to breath. Use other metal for your gay ass target practice.
>>41484331also in gasoline in america
>>41484395not if it's a threat to public safety
>>41484355military yes of course. that's fucking war.civilians don't need lead for target practice. I shoot copper and steel core and the accuracy is only slightly reduced. With most rifles it's not even noticeable under 75 yards.
>>41484516>The small amounts in hunting is environmentally insignificantThey give zero shits about people with this. It's because they are worried about carrion birds like the condor consuming lead bullets from carcasses. It also only effects center-fire ammunition used to hunt "large game" and coyotes.https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB711Fruits, nuts, and flakes, yo.
>>41484278Unironically a good idea if there's a viable alternative. But that's a big if. Is there?
>>41486277>under 75 yards
>>41486277>civilans dont needKill yourself. They need lead rounds to shoot faggots like you dead, fucking hippie cockroach.
>>41486280Is this a major issue of birds eating lead bullets they find on the ground? We should ban rocks too so they don’t choke on them.
>>41486302Yeah, monolithic bullets that are more expensive than partitions or bonded.
>>41486277Take note. If you want to troll, this is how you do it.
>>41484278Maybe this will spur production of more copper-polymer blend projectiles.
>>41484451But if the blues leave then only the reds will remain. Therefore Cali and NY become red and gun ownership is more popular
>>41485045>so why is everyone still allowed to pump millions of pounds of lead into the ground all over the placepretty sure all the lead we have was at some point in the ground, dummy
>>41486438Seems like lead exposure laws might help you, fren
>>41484381It's more about controlling the goyim and making sure they have no way in hell of defending themselves or overthrowing their corrupt masters. These fuckers are satanic
>>41484288Taking the obvious bait to drop a bit of info for those who don't know.Lead is used in bullets because it is heavy, relatively cheap, and has a low melting point, and is soft. This makes it ideal for projectiles, especially ones that are designed to deform like soft and hollow point. As for why other materials aren't used, they are ether no good or banned as it would create armor piercing """"handgun"""" ammunition.
Fuck the lead ban for hunting the real fucked up shit is ammo background checks. After July 1 there will literally be ‘unregistered ammo’ in California. How fucking silly and absurd a world we live in
>>41486504I'm trying to be positive here een if it will never happen
>>41484278This is how the grabbers will win. Not with the Cohen Act, but with tiny "I'm-not-touching-it" Fuck Fuck Games.
>>41484402>it's more of a eco thing than gun thing>ignore the fact that the amount of lead contamination for shootings is meaninglessly low>lmao, what reason would california politicians possibly have for making the cheapest plinking ammo 1$ per round?are you actually retarded?
>>41484278>REEEE LEAD IS BAD >REEEEEEE STEEL “ARMOUR PIERCING” BULLETS ARE BAD
>>41484278Can we start using depleted uranium instead?
>>41486277You're not eating the bullets after you fire them, retard
>>41484999It's your duty to shit on calilocusts, see a CA plate? Dung. They're just visiting friends? Same thing. They're relatives visiting you? They wouldn't be gold company anyway. Call them what they are.
>>41486302There are alternatives but you bet you'll pay a premium price for that. Oy vey those tin pellets use the finest RWS treatment™ for maximum efficiency. Woops mooks mile our Geckmonolith™ bullets are twice as expa/ensive :^)
>>41484278This just in, niggers in California now forced to use solid copper rounds that burn barrels and penetrate level 3a body armor
>>41487718burned barrels equal ghost gun because csi told me they can match the rifling,ban ghost barrels.
>>41484288What is with European "men" and their obsession with sucking every penis east of the Bosphorus?
>>41484572so inbred brown trash, then
>>41484278kek what a stupid attempt at grabbingthis is not about health. it's about choking the ammo supply, citizens using up stockpiles, and putting ammo manufacturers and gun shops out of business.
>>41484440unless you're japan your nation IQ is going to drop big due to the high flow of sand people not only by inhabiting but by destroying the moral of your average citizen
>>41484395yes besides being interstate commerce related so they can pound sand, any tax or ban on bullets falls under a "use tax" made illegal by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis_Star_Tribune_Co._v._Commissioner when kikes tried to legislate wrongthink newspapers out of existence by taxing ink use. the argument when ginsberg finally fucking dies will focus on "you can't weaponize the tax code" and once shit like this slips past the 9th circuit it'll rape gun control efforts nationally.
>>41484485>lead ammunition ban on the books>ammo background checks begin the same day on July 1st>thinks his cheap ass plinking rounds and cast boolits aren't going to be facing further restrictions under gavin newcumCalifags everyone.
>>41486317mainly waterfowl because ducks are retarded and eat stones, potentially causing lead magnification up the food chain when they scoop up birdshot as gizzard stones but the level that actually happens is so retardedly miniscule it is only law to use steel birdshot in many places just to fuck with hunters the idea that birds will eat an actual bullet is beyond retarded years of studying environmental science did nothing but convince me that every leftist environmental effort is complete horseshit that ranges from ineffective to actively damaging the environment. >>41486280>take that hunters, now only solid brass, solid copper, and steel core .308 can be bought in california unless pt 2 is a complete effective ammo ban via stopping these cop killa bullets that will go right through all bodyarmor below lv IV, congratulation leftists you played yourself
>>41486677animals that subsist on carrion like vultures or other scavengers are dying off from lead poisoninglead's an accumulative poisonit's not terribly different from when they banned ddt to save birds of prey
>>41484288Lead ammunition for hunting was banned in Norway for some years. It was a disaster. So we legalized lead again. We didn't ban it for target shooting, so it was not as bad as California even.Here's what our lead ban meant:>shotgun ammo suddenly got 5-10 times more expensive>poorfags couldn't hunt as cheaply as they could before. Hunting birds is what everyone who doesn't own land, but still want to hunt do.>steel shot keep bouncing off rocks, and injured lots of hunters.>way more animals got injured instead of killed, because the alternatives to lead are still worse, even if it's more expensive>it didn't lower lead levels in the blood of people eating game, as hunters cut away lead polluted parts of the meat anyway.>people still went to Sweden and got hold of lead shot, if they wanted to. Because it's really easy to just get your buddy in Sweden to buy it for you, then take it back home when shopping cheap beer and snus, over the border, as we all do.Basically, a lead ban is just there to fuck over gun owners. It will not lower lead levels significantly, and it will make hunting less humane. Also, the lead replacement metals, are often bad for the environment too, like bismuth.Banning leaded gasoline, and lead paint is way better for lowering blood lead levels. This is where most of the lead exposure comes from.As for lead exposure from guns, it's really just noticeable on people shooting an absolute fuck ton of unjacketed .22lr on poorly ventilated indoor ranges. Or people casting their own bullets. Shooters and hunters in general do not have higher lead levels than the population in overall.
>>41487991>ducks are retarded and eat stonesYou know what's retarded is you for not knowing that's how birds chew their fucking food, because guess what, they have no teeth.
>>41485045The real answer is that it's a non issue. Most ammunition is consumed in places where the lead will end up doing no significant harm to the environment. Aka ranges. The few instances where lead can do damage is shooting into water but even then the quantities are tiny because it's not like a huge number of people shoot right into the water. The reason lead is banned for water fowls isn't because it spreads lead in the water, it's because the ducks and such eat the pellets which causes damage.The bigger issue is that leadless ammo is a step towards making firearms a harder hobby to maintain since the cost of leadless ammo is much higher. It's a Trojan horse for a control on ammunition in general.
>>41484848>your stupidtop tier satire
>>41486579>muh god-given right to poison the environment
>>41486317it's a fairly big deal for vultures and so forth because when high speed bullets hit things they tend to fragmentit's not that they're eating actual bullets, just bullet fragments that build up over timewhat this really means is we need to legalize heavy steel core ammunitionthink of the birds, buy ap rounds
>>41488009>it's not terribly different from when they banned ddt to save birds of preySo, it's a bullshit smokescreen using "muh environment" as an excuse to restrict liberty while doing literally nothing worthwhile? Sounds about right.
>>41488150>he doesn't know how effective the DDT ban was at saving the bald eagle, peregrine eagle, et. al.
>>41488150that would depend on what you mean by literally nothingscavengers are a somewhat important in controlling disease vectors in ecosystems
>>41488156>>41488190>US hunters are in decline and continue to shrink season after season as boomers die off>ignores lead paint and improperly disposed of waste that contaminates wildlife to a much larger degree>NOW is the time we need to worry about these super deadly lead hunting boolits my fellow gun owners!>Think of the vultures! California is shit and so are you.
>>41484395Think of the children 3,000 years in the future where the several pounds of lead in the dirt at your local range are literally ruining livesit's just common sense wake up america
>>41486552Common use argument will fuck them in about 2.5 years.
>>41488144So if we can as easily dismiss the right keep and bear arms in the name of environmentalism we can also do so with speech?Yet you are posting on a forum whose entire chain of existence is built upon the requirement for rare earth minerals that probably were strip mined, manufacturing processes that result in toxic waste, and power generated from fossil fuels?Fucking idiot, can't you see it is the same thing?
>>41488381This might be the dumbest post I've read all week.
>>41488386Ok. Show me I'm wrong you dick shitting faggot.Show me that this isn't a thinly veiled grab,burden of proof is on you, ass clown.
>>41488386come on faggot, I'm waiting!Come one and show me I'm wrong.PROVE IT FAGGOT@
>>41484379my grandfather was a doctor, he used to call it "acute lead poisoning"
>>41486259Lol you're retarded
>>41488386>>41488386Still don't have anything to add? Nothing to respond with?It's been 10 minutes faggot, and you've shown that you are a cowardly little bitch.Standing around in Whiterun too hard you NPC faggot?
>>41484278It's 2019. We really should be moving away from lead.It's not just an environmental thing either. It would also go a long way to reduce lead exposure in people, particularly those who frequent indoor ranges.
>>41488534>It's 2019.Not an argument, Colbert.
>>41488534The problem is cost. We do not have an inexpensive heavy, soft core to build our ammo out of. All copper is expensive as hell, iron requires ridiculous temperatures and is hard as hell.Maybe zinc, but I recall one guy who managed to get zamak bullets working reported they still went through his steel pistol plates, so probably not.You need something heavy-ish, cheap, and easy to melt or at least extrude.
>>41484278>MuzzleloadersJesus christ. They effectively banned muzzleloaders.
>>41489121Only applies to hunting with centerfire ammo.
>>41489135The C3 stuff is $.44 / round. Might work for a country club range. The zinc stuff looks better, but I can't find it for sale anywhere. Still, if it works, best idea I've seen so far. How much is tin these days. It's heavier than both copper, iron, or zinc. Maybe something to look at when the feds inevitably ban foreign imports of lead core ammo like Wolf or Monarch.
>>41484973daydreaming faggotyou aint doin shit
>>41486235Yeah lemme just uhhhh breathe in solid bullets. Unless you think bullets vaporize when they hit the target.
>>41489475>Unless you think [portions of the] bullets vaporize when they hit the target.Depends on the target.
>>41489546Well I’m dumb, sorry
>>41487958This, Commiefornia will find ways to chip away at or right to the firearm itself but any attempt to infringe on our right to buy ammo is gonna be struck don. Hell their attempts to infringe on our right to bear the firearm itself is one court case away from being nuked
>>41488390>>41488402>>41488418Your idiocy isn't worth a rational response because you're not interested in anything that contradicts your ideology.
>>41489546That's pulverized, not vaporized
>>41489896I'll call it whatever you want. There's still lead dust coming off that impact, same as when the lead primer goes off, and it has to be filtered on an indoor range or your employees get poisoned.
>>41489896Nigger there's not a significant difference in the vernacular
>>41484440Shut the fuck up you boy-molesting mouse.
>>41484472You sure about that?
>>41488299Lead paint has been banned for decades anon
>>41488418>Reddit spaceing>Refrences Fagrim Have sex
>>41486259Public safety isn't in the constitution.You have the right to live, be free, and to maybe get some happiness. You don't have the right to be safe. This is why there is punishments.Boomers did away with punishments because they wanted to be children playing with toys.Not men hanging and removing any and all that stepped out of line.Stealing was hanging, rude language was whipping. Hard men enforcing hard laws, kept society civil. Military used cat-o-nine-tails to keep the men right and proper.Its not savage its civil. Savage is failing to punish violations of law.
>>41484288Find a heavy, soft metal for cheaper.
>>41490219>You don't have the right to be safe.dear lord I think this goober actually believes this
>>41484440Fuck you mousecuck
>>41484278Just use Teflon coated steel bullets my dudes.
>>41484278I read that article so what happens if you own lead ammo now? And can you still shoot lead at ranges? I'm leaving this hellhole asap anyway.
>>41490219How do you go from an intelligent first half to full retard in the blink of an eye, with literally zero self-awareness? The Constitution is perhaps the most anti-authoritarian document that has ever existed, and you somehow spin it to be in support of authoritarianism. Are you literally fucking retarded?
Cool they've pretty much just banned nearly all ammo, you'll have a harder time buying via normal places that stock "CA compliant" bullets.Which was of course the whole point, to make it more difficult, to add to death by a thousand cuts.Fuck you commiefagnia.
>>41484278I read the bill and it's just for taking game. Doesn't make it okay but they didn't make lead ammo completely illegal.
>>41484440globalization and mass migration would like a word with you
>>41490680Based despite reminder
>>41484641Can confirm. I am Californian.
>>41490219Horse thieves got the noose.Car thieves in PDX are *literally* not prosecuted. Google it. Western civilization is dead.
>>41491101>Car thieves in PDX are *literally* not prosecuted.What's so screwy about that is that there are Democrats in the state trying to amend the legislation to fix the goofball ruling so that police no longer have to prove intent, and it gets nowhere.It makes no sense. It should have bipartisan support.
>>41490003Over 50 cents a shot for .32 cal round balls and nearly a dollar a shot for .45 caliber round balls? Fuck that and fuck California.
>>41486277>civilians don't needliterally kill yourself you no guns faggot
>>41488319Theyres lead every we’re bro
>>41484278nobody uses lead any more you fucking tard.
>>41484278>ban lead because bad for environment>ban non-lead because armor piercing cop-killer bullets
>>41494725Of course goy
>>41486277Go ahead and gas yourself shlomo
>>41490287You dont tho. Your safety is your responsibility and yours alone.
>>41490495>Doesn't make it okay but they didn't make lead ammo completely illegal.That's a dangerous loophole Governor Newsom will soon close, no doubt.
>>41486277>Copper and steel coreCorrect, copper and steel CORE. As in there is a rod or conical core of said elements contained within the lead bullet. The whole thing isn't steel or copper under the jacket.
Mfw I'm exempt from your silly laws :^)
>>41488009>animals that subsist on carrion like vultures or other scavengers are dying off from lead poisoningNo they aren't.Think for five fucking seconds.We have been shooting animals with lead bullets for hundreds of years. Literally MILLIONS of buffalo were shot and left to rot and feed the vultures, just to fuck over the Indians. If they didn't die off then, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO START DYING OFF NOW.
>>41496996Muzzleloaders have to be lead free too
>>41484472Traditional muzzleloaders exempt from law
>>41497031Flintlocks/caplocks/matchlocks/etc are not firearms under the NFA. The California law does not apply to non-firearms, such as pellet guns and such. While modern bp rifles require lead free ammo, actual traditional ones do not.
>>41484428this and industrial runoffthe lead in bullets has contributed extremely marginally to lead surface contamination.
>>41497070>14 CCR § 250.1>(b) Definitions.>(1) A projectile is any bullet, ball, sabot, slug, buckshot, shot, pellet or other device that is expelled from a firearm through a barrel by force.>(2) Nonlead ammunition is any centerfire, shotgun, muzzleloading, or rimfire ammunition containing projectiles certified pursuant to subsection (b)(3) or subsection (f).NFA is federal. California classification is what matters and California classifies them as "antique firearms" Penal code 16170>(c) As used in Section 17700, “antique firearm” means either of the following:>(1) Any firearm not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898. This includes any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system or replica thereof, whether actually manufactured before or after the year 1898.
>>41486244i hear they feed it right into their kids too
>>41497032what about airguns? fuck all if i have to use that platinum shit.
>>41497169Anything that isn't a firearm is fine
>>41496998>lists a bunch of animals that are threatened or endangered>claims that they must be just fine because they're not yet extinct
>>41497130>NFA is federal. California classification is what matters and California classifies them as "antique firearms" Both California and the Federal government have the classification antique firearm. The difference is that Federally, antique firearms are a seperate set from firearms, while in California, antique firearms are a subset of firearms.