/prg/ Precision Rifle General>starting this out with a questionSchmidt & Bender 5-25x56 PM II/LP for $3k - dumb, extra dumb or ok deal?Will be mounted to bergara b-14 hmr 6.5 CM
>Skipped this:roup calc program.> http://www.ontargetshooting.com/Quick video brief with exercises on MIL ranging with practical exercises.> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSbtwSS16Qg [Embed] [Embed]Ballistic calc and chart.> http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgiTurret/ milling/ basic windage/ basic drop/ Practice.> http://www.shooterready.com/lrsdemo.htmlData books.> http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5539-diy/13433967-d-i-y-data-booksBasic forum work.> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLfYLM48Ms [Embed] [Embed]Glass basics.> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVF2pdHbX1M [Embed] [Embed]Some guy that thinks he is a Dinosaur, Sawry.Sniper 101 link for the lazy crowd. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ [Embed] [Embed]Playlist.> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ&list=PLJUaiRIEduNXoal2_PkBZi0vDCIcEPxUn [Embed] [Embed]Math suggestions to get you on target.> http://www.millettsights.com/resources/shooting-tips/mathematics-for-precision-shooters/Blank dope book.> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S4g3GGWc_ZrLoRyxGRso5bMPRpHaAmyxvtIVj_INddI/edit?usp=sharingPathsofglory likes this page & fuck you if you don't.> http://precisionrifleblog.com/Optics Review.> http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/09/19/tactical-scopes-field-test-results-summary/Baby's first lazer range finder.> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DS38XM2/Am I going to break in & out shoot my barrel? No Anon, you probably aren't.1st post.> http://www.sniperforums.com/forum/off-topic/44655-gale-mcmillian-barrel-break.html5th post> http://www.sniperforums.com/forum/rifles/16385-do-you-break-rifles-come-accuracy-garauntee.htmlA American Hamburgers ballistics calculators.> http://bisonballistics.com/point_mass_calculations/new
that scope is heavy and the reticle is really small. it's not any more clear than a scope half the price. you should spend to get a decent scope but not that much.
>>41457823how about Vortex Razor Hd Gen II?non /prg/ pic but good to 500 minute of man
>>41457746I think you can save a ton of money by going with this : https://www.leupold.com/product-series/vx-3i-lrp-rifle-scopeand then use the rest of the money for a kestral wind meter with applied ballistics, and a sig sauer laser. Not to mention ammo. and if you're going this route, you're going to want to reload as well. Probs 5 thou off the lands, lapua brass, berger hunting vld with the hybrid OGIVE. Not sure on power or primer though.
>>41457746So I installed a Vortex Viper PST to a Spuhr mount onto a Nightforce rail, and I almost completely max out windage just to zero.Double checked torques on everything, dismounted/remounted scope multiple times, same issue.Is this an optic issue? How do I fix? I find it hard to believe a Spuhr mount or Nightforce rail would be out of spec?It's driving me fucking nuts
>>41459275Did you get a 40+ moa rail and mount it backwards? >guilty
>>41459296It's a 0 MOA rail
Anyone have this Vortex 4-12x40 Diamondback Tactical ? If so how is it?
>>41457746>check egun>rifle market is getting "swamped" (compared to a couple months ago) with RPRs>starting at 1.5k€ (used to be ~2k)something wrong with them?
>>41459410Vortex only shines in the intermediate price class and up. Get a 2nd gen PST or better. For the price of the diamondback, I'd rather get a SWFA SS 10x42
>>41459275 Oh windage not elevation
>>41459275>max windageHave you taken the turret off?
>>41459415Yes.Their trigger is worse than the Tikka and they had some recalls.
>>41460263I've taken the cap off the turret, there's no zeroing spacers left in there or anything
>>41457765I have a request for the copy paste.I know the jbm ballistic calc has been a standard for a long time and makes good field cardsa request but it could be good to add hornady's ballistic calc (advanced features on) and 4dof calc to the ballistic chart section because they add more detail and can help someone see what exactly their bullet is doing with velocity, energy, moa at the same time as mil and inch drop, and theyre pretty easy to use.Like:Ballistic calc and chart.>http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi(old time standard and will be forever)>https://www.hornady.com/team-hornady/ballistic-calculators/#!/(good layout shows more other relevant information but easy to read and especially useful if hunter with energy values)>https://www.hornady.com/team-hornady/ballistic-calculators/#!/4dof(detailed and extremely precise if you can learn to use, especially if you have one of the listed bullets)If you guys havent tried these out you should at least once. They were really well thought out and pretty much all I use now.Ive found myself using the non-4dof calc a lot just to quickly compare loads, even on non-precision calibers (just to have an idea of what theyll do) a lot and really appreciate everything being there at once while being easy to read.
>>41459275That is physical alignment of the mounts being off.What rifle?If you say Remington, the mount holes in the receiver very well could me misaligned.A proper receiver truing and blueprint will drill the holes oversize and align them to the receiver centerline in the process. Commonly necessary on a factory Remington.Older Leupold mounts had the windage screw for gross windage adjustments to get close to centered.Burris has the Posalign inserts for mechanical alignment adjustments.Run your windage fully through its travel and center it and try to measure on paper it is off at 50 or 100 yards, even 25 yards will work. Trying to get the huge error out first.Then move back and fine dial it in.
>>41460269hm. the ones I tried (different friends both own one of each) were about on par imo, and both reasonably accurate. but anyway, both are still a bit on the expensive side, I was thinking more of a howa 1500 or rem700 for babbies first precision bolter. or maybe I'll go full dick and get a 16" mossy mvp with a humongous muzzle brake to piss of my local fudds
someone give me the rundown axis rifles. i want something accurate but also not shed a tear over losing in case of happenings.
>>41460656Cant beat those, TCs, or ruger Americans for the shekels.
>>41460656Axis is fine. 110 is the proper rifle and isn't that much more.
Thinking about re-barreling this from 7mm rem mag to 300 rum or 30-378 weatherby, what do you guys think?
>>41460870I think all of those cartridges are equally meme-y. You're probably handloading anyway, so its kinda "whatever", isn't it?
>>41460280rereading this and it looks like I had a stroke. Phoneposting sucks
>>41460870Your throat will be fried before you develop a load.7rm, 1:8, 180gr eldm
>>414594104-16 DB tactical (gen 2, FFP reticle) is much better bang for the buck. Comparable to vipers.
>>41460870>>41460927also, magazine feeding that big of a cartridge with long bullets probably wont be an option.
>>4146087030-378 weatherby seems a bit dumb to me. It's only a hair higher velocity than the 300 RUM, but it's known to be much harder on the throat.
>>41457746If you're going to buy a shmidt, buy it second hand for $2k-2.3k. If you're set on buying top of the line and you want to spend $3k, get on a waiting list for a ZCO ZC527.
>>41459308Is the spuhr mounted backwards?
>>41460656>>41460705>>41460734Remember, you get what you pay for
>>41460870Is this a sheep/goat gun? That's a whole lot of recoil and energy on target for such a light weight rig.
>>41460993No, Its an deer/elk gun. The recoil isn't bad at all desu
>>41460927>>41460933Damn, thanks. I guess ill just stick with 7mm for a while then
>>41457746I'm new to the precision rifle scene and will likely get a Savage 110 in 6.5 CM. Could anyone recommend muzzle brakes and glass for 1000yd + shots?Primary use is long range target shooting but I would like to take this rifle hunting every now and then
>>41461058Whats your budget? Precision glass starts at 300$ and can hit 2k easily.
>>41461062Thinking the $300 to $600-ish price range. I've heard that glass should cost as much as the gun but not sure if that's just a meme
>>41461049Just to throw an example out, Ive got ~0.015" clearance on my 300wm and thats just using a berger 215gr but I did use a longer than normal reamer. I started load developing on a 225 eldm a while back and got distracted but Im pretty sure it's going to be a single feeder.7rm, with the right bullet/twist/reamer, currently seems like peak performance in a magnum action while respecting costs of brass and barrel. Youre going to out range what a lot of people put in their 338s XL actions and 30s and most eldms have a good kill record on game if you can keep the impact below ~2850 fps area. 195gr Berger 7mm could be another option.
>>41461049what bullet/velocity do you use now?
>>41461058>>41461111different anon, it's been awhile since I looked for good entry stuff, I dont know if it's dated advice with what you can get for the money now but the SWFA fixed powers are cheap and offer reliable tracking, good reticle, exceptional durability, and fine glass. I didnt trust a brand I hadnt heard the name for a long time but I found out they still make the same optics that were used in the military so gave them a go on a plinking rifle I had laying around. Outstanding optic for the price and my only complaint is the small lens doesnt pick up light as well as my nicer, larger lens optics but theyre great for what you pay for. Their 3-15 unfortunately has the same lens size but might be worth a go if you want the variable part.
>>41460936>laughs in nib K624i for 2000
>>41461111Im a huge fan of swfa, those are all I have on my guns. Eventually I'll upgrade, but for now theyre perfect. I only shoot 200 yards at max, im a group chaser not a long steel donger.
I'm looking at a Sako A7 in .308 at the moment, and I am quite temped. However, I've also been saving up for a tikka t3x and now I am in doubt which one I should go for. Any suggestions?
>>41461503I dont want to be that guy, but its gonna happen, why 308?
>>41461503Out of the box the Sako might be slightly better.However there are more aftermarket options for Tikka.
Is the Zeiss Conquest HD5 5-25X50 scope worth buying? It seems good to go despite being the budget product line for Zeiss.
>>41461522Because the dealer only has it in .308 at the moment, and because in my country it is the cheapest all-round caliber. >>41461527>more aftermarket optionsCan you elaborate?
>>41457746$3K for a NIB 5-25X PMII is a great deal. That’s what I paid for mine about a year ago and mine came with the scope caps and S&B cleaning kit. I think S&B lowered the MSRP on their legacy models to make them more competitive with NF and Vortex because I’m seeing them come up NIB for between 2.7-3K every now and then depending on the reticle.
>>41461058APA Little Bastard muzzle brake if you don’t plan on running a suppressor.
>>41457746Too bad this stock only comes in spackled diarrhea
Anyone have recommendations for a 4x fixed optic?I have a Ruger american in 6.5cm that will be used for hunting this deer season and when I get access to longer ranges I'll put better glass on.
I didn't see anything in the OP about this, though I would guess it is a common question:What is a good rifle to start with if you want to git gud at precision shooting? (Budget: $1k, maybe $1.5k including optics.) I don't want to burn a ton of money as a beginner and have people at the range laugh at me. I want to buy something sturdy and practice my way up, then buy something high-end once I'm better.
>>41461938group shooting, competition styles, casual paper punching just to see how far you can do it, hunting, or shtf larping? Also, how long of range do you have access to?Most of these can be answered with >>41461058This rifle in 6.5cm or 308, an swfa fixed 12x, and a harris (s-brm I think it was but double check) or magpul bipod. Do not cheap out on rings. Also, get into handloading and at least get something to address run out.
>>41457746I have a Swaro Z8i 2.3-18x56, and I’d highly recommend it. Slightly more than $3k but it’s well worth it IMO.
>>41462031Thanks for the suggestion; I will look into whether local dealers have the Savage 110 in stock. Mostly casual paper punching with the aim of practicing longer and longer distances until I can take shots from very far away. I can get access to basically unlimited distances in the wild, but probably just like 250 yards on a range.I might hunt in the future as well, but then I'll need a scope that goes down to like 3x, right? I read that with higher zooms you can miss your surroundings and just see the fur of the animal, especially if it is moving. I can always start out with something cheap first and then buy real optics later on.
im completely new to bolt guns besides shooting them during pre sniper training in the military. how is 300 WM for a first bolt gun build? and what are things to consider for my build?
>>41461350Berger 168gr vld hunting w/ 70 grains of retumbo, getting 2977 ft/s out of a 26in barrel
>>41462094>I can get access to basically unlimited distances in the wildgood realistic practice>I might hunt in the future as wellthen make sure you distinguish between how well you can group shoot or walk bullets in versus how far you can make a first round, cold bore hit everytime. The distance will be shorter.>then I'll need a scope that goes down to like 3x, rightYes and no, strong opinions on both sides of this.In my opinion, if you already practiced in shouldering your rifles aiming through an optic and find yourself naturally close on target then 12x is fine even at 10-20 yards and I personally dont shoot at running targets. I feel like Id even be fine with 20x on some of my optics with greater field of view. Youre going to be slower though. When theyre built with long range in mind you have to start playing with the parallax settings between shooting different ranges and learn to do it fast.If youre not a western hunter, then youre probably hunting denser brushy areas and should get a different rifle thats a bit quicker.Also, before buying the rifle, learn to use a ballistic calculator and make sure youre still interested. I lose a lot of people here and a set up is no good without a knowing how to use these.
>>41462135its a bad choice as a first serious rifle caliber unless you know how to build them for modern loads, handload, and can afford to feed desu.
>>41457746Would a basic bitch old Remington 700 30-06 make it as a decent 500 yard gun?
I just got a Ruger precision rifle in .300wm. I had no idea what to expect but so far I’m very happy. I reload my own. Someone shit on my choices
Who makes good fixed optics in the 6-10 range? 1000 usd budget, but I can stretch the budget further and wait if that's not enough dosh for quality.
>>41463479Three hunnit is an awesome practical marksman round with a pedigree in killing folks. You did well.
What should I consider before making a choice between 7mm rem mag and 300wm? They both seem about the same with 300 having an edge in bullet choice.
>>41463479>Someone shit on my choicesyou asked>cant mag feed most heavy l33t new bullets while getting close to lands>cant fully stabilize some heavy l33t new bullets down to sea level>possibly out-ranged by a 6.5cm depending on what youre loading>heavy to free hand or hike with>people will judge you for owning a savageyou could have done worse and at least you handload. Post your load and optic and Ill do more.
Never looked into precision shooting so have some basic questionsWhat is the learning curve like? Example if you had a rifle mechanically capable how long does it take to hit a man sized target at 1000 yards consistently?Is the adage of spending more on the optic than the rifle true?
>>41463417wood or plastic stock?>>41463503swfa is all I know of that still does.
>>41463616>What is the learning curve like?In your example, not long, 10 minutes on a calm day maybe if you have proper form and dont mind walking shots in with a spotter>Is the adage of spending more on the optic than the rifle trueIt is if you want to get more of the performance your rifle has to offer but you can "make do" within reason depending on how much money youre talking about
>>41460359It's a Bergara base rifle, I can't imagine the receiver holes being off?
>>41463619It's wood, I'm talking like a 70s Remington.
>>41460962It's impossible to mount a spuhr mount backwards, the bubble level always has to be at the rear, so no
>>41461595I don't know of any aftermarket stock or trigger options for the A7.
>>41463689if the barrel is good and youre willing to put some work in then itll be great. A lot of people start on old rem700s and the troubleshooting can help you down the road.If it stays in the wood>free float>pillar bed>bed action and knoxotherwise, Id suggest an aluminum bedding block stock but you should still bed and make sure it's floated. They start around $300.It might already shoot well enough for vitals but it's fun to see how good you can make it. At the very least make sure it's floated and the screws have even tension.Your limiting factor/what will make it hard is probably going to be optic and load. You want something with a ranging reticle (NOT BDC) and good tracking which typically arent cheap aside from swfa (but theyre ugly imo). You want a precise load with temperature stable powder and small extreme speed spreads between shots but it wont hurt you so bad at just 500 yards.
>>41463777swfa is a company that sells good fixed optics and just happens not to cost much for the quality they give
>>41463825Their 3-15 and 5-20 are great too. For the cost they punch over their weight
>>41463988Honest to god truth I'd never buy a variable SWFA. I would drown in their 10x42s all day errday tho.
>>41463503SWFA makes a excellent fixed mag optic for the price. A SS 10x42mm with mil reticle, mil turrets and side adjusting parallax will run you $400 NIB, and they have excellent resell value when you decide to upgrade. Don't cheap out on scope rings.
>>41459426ok>>41460931I've got one on a Ar10. Was looking at the 4-12 DB Tactical for a AR build.I don't get why the 4-12 has rotation indicators and the 4-16 does. Get it together Vortex.
>>41463616Hitting man sized targets isn't that hard from prone on a calm day. You'll be fucked without a spotter, if you arent experienced though trying.Companies, like vortex, and Nightforce, have upended the optics world. So a PRS winning rifle from wade stuteville costs like 4.5k, and a NF ATACR 7-35 F1 which is the most used PRS scope, costs like 3.5k so no you shouldn't. You should spend more on your rifle than your optic in absolutes.But if you really want to get into long range or precision shooting, something like a vortex viper PST gen 2 will be sort of the minimum. There are a few other goods one in that price range, from like Nikon, or Athlon. Leupold is all american made means, it cant really compete on price with budget optics, but once you can afford, like vx5HD or better they are awesome as well. NF, and Kahles are sorta king right now. If your looking at more tactical scopes, the Sig Tango6 is good, and Schmidt and Bender of course.
Do dangerous game rifle scopes need to be built to a different standard to handle the recoil of those rounds or will any good 1-6 do?
>>41465898depends on the manufacturer, Leupold tests all its optics on the same machine, the designed to simulate the worst recoild possible. So if you go with them you are fine. You will need to research other brands. Ignore the can handle 50BMG. 50BMG, has a less damaging recoil than putting a optic on a 9mm handgun. 357H&H has the worst recoil.
>>41457746What exactly is your goal? To have cool gear or badass high power long range rifle. If it's the second, and you're familiar with bolt action, you should look into early 60s hunting rifles. They're usually really well made, don't cost a fortune, are super accurate and the only thing is, they're not tacticool 2019. But for my money, today, tacticool bolt is hands down a Ruger gunsite scout.
>>41464685I have the 3-15x SWFA, it's a nice optic, about what you'd expect for the price. Certainly not as much value as the fixed. I'll also say I bought it back around 2011 when there were way less options for serviceable, budget friendly FFP optics. These days there's a lot more competition so the SWFA variables can't hang as much.
>>41463417Yes 3006 does 500 yards with a good old Remington but like forty inches of drop. At range, the energy of the projectiles really determines effectiveness. Good idea to research ballistics charts. Bullet drop is consistent with gravity, and many small arms calibers top out around 3000 fps. Bullet diameter effects wind drag, as well as shape of projectiles. My research concluded that a 30 caliber needed to be followed by a much heavier bullet and power to make much difference past 3006. Next real step is 50 bmg. Unless you change bullet weight drastically, like using depleted uranium. But, exotic bullets have been known to chew barrels. Just like too much velocity.
>>41463479>.300wm>Someone shit on my choicesNot getting that .338 Loopy Mag...
>>41466124Not him, but when I looked, at it couldnt afford, to pay 2 dollars a round for the Lapua mag, versus 75cents for 300winmag
>>41466068>depleted uranium30 cal has especially bad spherical predecession with long bullets and realistically the heaviest tungsten bullets are really front heavy screwing your BC up. Extra long copper monolithic bullets are the best balance.
>>41466171Just raped my wallet with 200 rounds of 338 lm. Really makes you think
Took my father out behind the ranch today. He's never shot over 100 yards (purely a hunter). So he brought out his Browning 7mm Rem Mag with the old Vortex Crossfire (original not the II). I told him how to dial in his scope and he fired one round right over the top of the gong at 500 yards. Told him to dial down a couple inches and he placed two more shots within two and a half inches of each other. Was very proud of him. Of course I brought out my M40A1. All in all it was a great day!
Side view of the rifle for anyone interested. Yes my tactical blue foam pad!
>>41465993True that. Back in the day there only a handful of options for a decent budget glass. I do enjoy the diversity of today's market. All things considered, if I had to pick one scope to for a SHTF/Apocalypse/WW3 scenario, it would be their 10x42. That or a 5k Nightforce.
>>41466314>>41466124>>41466171I really don't see the point of long action calibers, especially Lapua type stuff, unless you have a 1000+ range to play on. It's just a waste of money.
>>41466393>>41466430Is that a legit Unertl? I heard you can still find them in mint condition if you look hard enough.
>>41466181Thats why I prefer boattails. Plus, when you up the density of a bullet, depleted uranium or tungsten, you must increase powder load for velocity, thus increasing terminal energy and lowering windage coefficient. But, those rounds both need Copper banding or full copper jacket's. Plus the added density wears throats on barrels faster especially at the rifiling. Theyre excellent projectile s though. Pure copper is great, but a du or tungsten round is in it's own class.
>>41466430Thick. Unertl also.All original? What is the barrel profile, length, diameter at Receiver, muzzle diameter?Classic piece of history and beautiful in its own purposeful way.
>>41466735Sadly no, not an original Unertl but one of the US Optic MST100 scopes. These were made as a replacement for the USMC Unertl MST100 after Unertl went out of business. A Unertl will run about twice the cost of the USO (and the USO is pricey enough).
>>414667216.5 is good out to 1000 yards easily, .338 LM is when you wanna get out to mile territory
>>41467681You're less likely to hit a target at 1760 yards with 140gr 6.5 creedmoor compared to 285gr .338 LM, but you can still ring steel. Both rounds at that distance demand a better-than-average ability to make wind calls on top of your core marksmanship fundamentals. Good wind reading and marksmanship fundamental practice can be had with a 22lr trainer rifle at 200-300 yards.
>>41466721Energy on target is valuable for hunters and ELR shooters. Otherwise you're right, no reason to blow your shoulder out to punch paper with a 300 RUM
I'm not ready to throw down the money for a new stock yet, would bedding the action of my T3x in the plastic stock do anything?
>>41464685I have a fixed 6x and 20x they're both great but the 20x needs full daylight to shine, but im not group chasing at dawn or dusk and I live in Phoenix so it works great for me.
>>41457746When you break the $2K scope barrier the quality of the glass is almost impossible for the human eye to discern. Only on the edge between twilight and darkness will the difference between $2K and $3k glass become apparent. More obvious differences are in the reticles, be very careful in your choice because some reticles become nightmares in the field!
>>41459426did someone say SWFA SS X10?
>>41463503Leupold still has a fixed power line in it's catalog. Bushnell had a fixed 10X two years ago
>>41463479Good choice for many reasons
>>41466721My frendo has a 338L in a Sako LR rifle, the MB was 2 hunda dolla! and the ammo is closer to $5 a round!
>>41468000link? would love to have a fixed power. how about the reticle, whats that? hope it isn't their "muh daddies duplex" retardation.
>>41468020>>41468020You can choose between MOA and Mil reticleswww.swfa.com
>>41468020link for leupold would be www.leupold.com?
>>41468102too bad it's like $6k
anybody gotten hands-on primary arms 6-30x platinum hera bpr mil?at $1,500 looks competitive
>>41468094Ergo grip is passé. As for the rest, is it 556 or 300?
>>41468122I'm very leary of their upper-end products. A 5to1 mag level is hard to design and MFG. Plus glass quality???? For a fraction of other MFGs ?
>>41468000do you have a link to the fixed scope on leupold site? im on my cell at work, mobile site sucks balls for searching.
It’s a little traditional but this is the rifle I put together. For the money a used 700 5R is a great choice. My rifle has vx6hd glass (probably could have gone vx5- I cant see worth shit), timney 2 stage Calvin elite trigger, nightforce rings and rail, gg&g bipod... I think I have about 3k in it and it’s a whole lot of fun at my range. Steel targets every 100 yards out to 1200 yards. There’s targets interspersed out to 2 miles tho
>>41466393>>41466430>>41467020Very nice. Crazy how the M40 is having a renaissance. Never seen so many people have a hard on for a bolt-action in a glassfiber stock.
>>41457746what scope for .338 at 1000 yards lads, and also what rings I'm only familiar with low power variables
>>41466721Agree'd. I always laugh at dudes that want to just beat gongs at 500 yards, but wont consider anything that not a 30cal or up. 6.5 will hit em just fine, as will heavy hand loaded 223.
>>41466721It is wasteful unless youre trying to kill big game at those distances. My long action builds are set up lighter than target oriented rifles and cant handle nearly the round count
What does a 5.56 or 7.62 scout rifle bring to the table that an AR platform in the same caliber with the same optic doesn't? I don't own a rifle since handguns are what I'm passionate about, but I feel like I need to own a rifle for boogaloo
>>41469110Nothing, scout rifles are just a fun meme. Build a free floated ar15 of reputable manufacture with a chrome lined barrel, buis, and choice optic. I really like LPVOs but depending on where youre at and how you intend to use it that might not be right for you.
>>41469110>Ban states>Hunting in countries where you can bring in a bolt but not a semi>Use of ammo/projectiles with COAL too oniichan for a magazineThats about it desu, unless you just like bolt actions.
What are some favorite optics for under 1kWould be for a ar10 or a 280rem bolt action
>>41468385For me it started when I first seen the movie "Sniper" with Tim Berenger in theaters when I was a kid. That rifle just seemed so epic in the hands of a Scout Sniper, even though the rifle in that movie was just a plain remington 700 with a Leupold scope. Since then I always wanted an M40A1.
>>41469515Right?! That’s why I bought one. 80s AF. I grew up playing with GI joes and watching that kind of movie. I almost bought a steyr ssg69 cause of lone wolf mcquade. I’ll probably still buy one.
Does anybody own a sako or can attest to the quality of those rifles? A buddy of mine bought a guide gun from them is 375 h&h and is offering it to me for like 900 bucks with 4 shots fired.
If I'm proficient with my weapon, is a 300 yard 4" group with iron sights while standing doable unsupported with a tree or shooting sticks? The weapon itself is proven 1/2 moa in bench conditions with my own loads.
>>41470235I am pretty proficient at using my weapon to shoot loads about 3”
>>41470235Depends on how good you are.
>>41470121thats going to be more like a big game rifle not so much a long range precision rifle
>>41468385It’s not really a renaissance they’ve been common since forever
>>414684296mm is king of long range. The only reason you need any long action magnum rounds is if you actually want to kill something at that distance
>>41470981Yes, but I always wanted a big game rifle. Not for any particular valid reason beyond range toy and trying to outshoot my casual friends with their actual precision rifles with an elephant gun.
>>41471975Isn't that the point? Is this just target shooting general? I'm pretty sure 6.5 cree will kill a human at 1000 yards. It might not as hard as 300wm or something but it will sure as shit take a man out of a fight.
>>41472157he means big game in a timely manner so it does get a mile into a valley after you shoot it. really, coyotes have been known to run after a centerfire rifle caliber pencils through them.Shooting people is a bit different
>>41472186Then yes I misunderstood. Use 270win if you need to ethically drop things between 300-800 meters. 7mm rem mag would be my choice for 1000 yard hunting of large game.243 Winchester would be my choice for people. Small action, enough to drop deer for food, and small and light enough to pierce armor. Flat shooting too.
>>41472122it's probably not going to outshoot them but it will be loud and fun toy if you can feed it. Sako is a pretty respected name.Youre not going to get a lot of range out of it even if it does shoot well it's going to be lacking in range compared to a lot of options and if youre hoping for ridiculous overkill on animals it might be lacking there too depending on bullet options compared to something fragmenting like an ELDM or VLD hitting at higher speeds.It would be good for bear and probably some african game though
>>41472245Sako ensures a sub moa group with every rifle with their ammunition so if that holds up I may be able to compete at 500yards. My gun club has run and gun competitions and people compete with silly shit all the time (mosins in 50 yard robin hood shoots are my favorite because he always brings milsurps to compete against the ar15 guys). I might try to light load it and have fun.
>>41470121I don't know about the model you're speaking about, however I used to own a trg 22 and it was amazing but I sold it so I can buy a AI at some point.
>>41467020Any idea if USO's micro red dots are good? I was expecting them to be much pricier
>>41469010>>41467779I agree that magnums are necessary for hunting at longer ranges, but if you're just plinking plates at 1000, there's really no reason outside personal preference to go with a 300wm or above over 6.5cm or other 6mm calibers.
>>41467020That's alright. Those MST100s are more than appropriate for an M40 build. Gorgeous rifle anyway. I envy you my guy.
>>41471975Yeah, 6BR and the other 6mm cartridges will plink steel at 1000 all day, every day. Even if you're into hunting at LR, some of those 6mm rounds have pretty similar ballistics to magnum rounds up to those ranges.
>>41472324I've seen a few TRGs pop the bolt knob like it was nothing. Not saying they're bad rifles, but two 2 bolt handles sheered right off is a bit worrying.
>>41469030sub $4k including rings/mountand i'd rather just buy new instead of dicking around with used and 'i know what i got' fuckers
>>41474294Dude thats retarded, what gun are you attaching this too? You can afford literally the two most winningest scopes for national match and PRS.Nightforce ATACR 7-35x56mm F1 ZeroStop .1mrad DigIllum PTL Mil-C C578andKahles K525i 5-25x56 CCW .1mrad SKMR3 RSW 10644O spuhr mount or seekins rings, those are the best in their catagories. Id use the seekins rings if hunting or hiking with it.These are the two best long range scopes right now. Please say you have a 4k+ gun to attach them too. Your scope should cost more than your gun.
Anyone know of any good budget fiber illuminated optics? I'm trying to stay away from batteries if possible for an entry level setup. Otherwise I will just have to wait longer and dump more shekels into a rifle and optics setup.
>>41474398O fuck you bro, not even gonna act like I am not jelly. I would go with the NF, over the Kahles for the military pedigree of it. How does that thing shoot and what calibre did you get it in?
>>41474458straight to memepua haven't gotten around to shooting it yet, I know fuck all about long distance and finding a scope and a shooting buddy to teach me how to headshot running libtards from ten miles awayI put an extra pair of mbus on it for shits and giggles Is the nf tremor reticle as cringey as the name or is there something to it over the mil-c
>>41474547>5I will be honest at your price point I dont have hands on. about 2k for a scope is my limit. But this website should be your friend when it comes to the equipment you will need to take that thing to a 1600 or beyond.https://precisionrifleblog.com/Look at the pros use sections. It literally compiles all of the gear, weapons, optics used by top finishing PRS and National match contestants. You can even see what is used by the winners versus downstream. If you need instruction i would do something like https://www.bergara.online/us/the-bergara-academy/You wont be able to use your rifle, but they are teaching the fundamentals all the way to 1200, and its a lot of fun.
>>41457746>>41458085I made this thread fairly drunk the other night. I ended up getting a Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25x50 EBR-2D MRAD (FFP) PST-5257 for $750 shipping + tax. Pretty happy.Any suggestions for rail and scope mounts?
>>41474686bergara b14 hmr btw. >>41474370my scope's MSRP is more than my gun but I got a deal, so am I good?
>>41473570>some of those 6mm rounds have pretty similar ballistics to magnum rounds up to those ranges.depends on bullet used
If I just want 50 bmg for the hell of it, what's the cheapest way? Looked at the serbu single shot but the initial price of $800 is now $1200 with no buttstock. And unfortunately the shft uppers aren't being sold for "legal reasons"
>>41474704ya at that price point is fine. Those are both great products.
>>41474965thanks anon. I should have been more clear, the$750 for the vortex was all in. Hell of a fucking deal if I do say so myself
Ordered barrel for the Anime DMR 2.0Faxon MATCH .308 16" Heavy Fluted. Got a matched BCG with it also.Also bought a B5 SOPOD Enhanced stock for it. Receiver set should arrive sometime later this week. Next big thing to order is glass and the rail.
>>41457746>copped me an Accuracy International AE MK I as an impulse buy >only range further than 100yds within a 3 hour drive has been indefinitely shut down
>>41476242Sounds like you need to move.
>>41476145Fuck off back to /arg/ you brain damaged faggot, we don't want you shitting things up here.
I'm considering a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in .308 for my first bolt action rifle. Is there anything I should know before taking the plunge?
Looking for a budget lrf not for precision shooting purposes but for ranging targets innawoods. I see the model in the OP but I'd like to spend less if it's reasonable. Is anything cheaper than $100 going to be garbage? Should I maybe look into a monocular with a mrad reticle and range manually using mils? Sorry for the poorfag question friendos.
>>41477854If you’re in trees you probably won’t be shooting far enough for drop to really matter
>>41477854>>41478042To clarify, the goal is to get kd targets for zeroing purposes mainly. It's also not literally innawoods just not at a proper range.
>>41478105You can get a Tasco pronghorn for like 30 bucks and they’re good enough. Zero your scope at 100 yards (just walk it out) and then study your ballistics. Generally 100-200 yard ballistics are similar in drop. Maybe your bullet drops 3” at 300 yards. Get a range finder so you know exactly how many yards and print out and tape your ballistics on your stock. Then just aim 3” above your target. Don’t need a bunch of Christmas tree reticle stuff for that. It’s about as good as you can do for $100
>>41478130Wahlberg does it while standing on a boat
>>41461576>It seems good to go despite being the budget product line for Zeiss.The budget line of Zeiss is the Terra-Series. However the Conquest-Series is great fot hunting. Dunno about long range shooting
>>41474616Consider S&B High Power line for real long range shit.Got any pics of your lovely rifle? I dont think there are any in Australia yet unfortunately so havent had the chance to play with one.
>>41461595What country are you in bro?
>>41469110My country just banned semi autos so I'm glad I picked up a left hand Scout a few months ago.
>>41457746That's dumb... Get the higher end Bergara and get a VX-iii tactical 6-20x50 and have less money in it ... Don't do the 6.5. Get a .308. Because I said so.
>>41473551Oh yeah, the USO MST are actually an upgrade on the originals. The Unertls had a few bugs that were worked out when USO took over the contract for the USMC.>>41473293USO Optics make some really good scopes. But I cannot comment on their Micro Red Dots personally as I have never had the chance to try one out.
>>41476145Lets see those 10moa "groups" with it.
>>41477141I liked mine in 3006, it shot sub moa with normal ass hunting rounds. Are you going to hunt with it or just long distance shoot?
>>41476145What do you do as a job to afford all of that ?
>>41482405Probably mooching off his retarded mom.
>>41482405lol poor millennial
>>41461418I own the 3-15, it is excellent. I have no regrets choosing it.
>>41476145Why the fuck does your rifle look photoshopped?
>>41457746OP here, should I get the Area 419 PeRfOrMaNcE pAcKaGe and Seekins rings?How about bipod?
>>41468145dude why did you link that I 100% have to buy this now
>>41474398>ballistafuck you bro lmao. i am so jelly. report back about how it shoots
>>41484054because it is, that image is fake as fuck
>>41476242bruh prg has the most soft spoken flexers of all time
>>41485159Nah there's plenty of poors here who think Savage makes a good rifle.
>>41468094gotxring.com ? Looks like a Gary E design.
>>41476145Why haven’t you died or been left for dead yet by your larping friends yet?
How many rounds are you guys getting out of your barrels?
>>41486381Im new to precision shooting my 6.5 is sitting at 500 rounds and still sub half moa.
>>41486381This is exactly why I got 308 for my ar10. in a low volume bolt rifle, I think 6.5cm with its cheap ammo, compared to other bolt gun rounds in the range is pretty nice.
>>41474921dont buy a barrett m99. the bolt handle will crank up on recoil
>>41474921well dont buy a barrett m99. the bolt handle will crank up on recoil
>>41457746I wish H&K Would get into making more Sniper Rifles
>>41486381Already pushed around 500 rounds through my 6.5creedmoor. We'll see how far it goes. I'm not going make crazy loads. If I can get to 3000 rounds without the barrel shitting itself, I'll be happy.>>41487756God, if they started producing the PSG-1 again.
>>41457746Does /prg/ have a document or pic somewhere with a list of recommended rifles for people who want to get into precision shooting?
>>41476145Jesus Christ when the fuck did this faggot show up?
>>41488519Any caliber can really become a precision caliber. Shooting precision simply means shooting accurately multiple times in a row. It can mean shooting a 22LR at 50 yards to shooting a 50 BMG at 2000 yards.
>>41488833Checked. >>41489044This is absolutely true. Precision shooting =/= long distance shooting. However long distance shooting does = precision shooting. I have more fun chasing groups with calipers at 100 yards with small calibers than I do ringing steel out past 1k with big calibers.
>>41488833Hahahahaahha wugwuz is your problem now. We bullied him out of /arg/ and /akg/. Bringing up his objective, observable brain damage is usually a good place to start.
>>41486381Patrician barrel life reporting in.https://www.advanced-armament.com/assets/images/pdf/manuals/300BLK-AACUpper-MiniBro.pdf
>>41489965>mission/critical useIs pretty cringy though.
Page 10 save. Fucking shitshots burying our thread.
What off the shelf rifle that has the same performance as an m24 in .308?
>>41492075Savage Axis in .308
>>4149221010 4. Does da army use a ffp optic or sfp?
>>41489044I've been thinking about picking up a ruger american rimfire for precision plinking>>41489878>calipersive never measured my groups with calipers but sounds legit
>>41492075remington 700 in .308
Nemo omen match y/n?308 is nice but i want something more powerful Will be shooting paper and cans and maybe fruits
>>41492512if its just to have big boolit go for it but idk what the magazine coal is, what the throat is like, and what it reliably feeds.
Has anyone used or own the new Magpul Bipod if so, how is it?
>>41493129what is the best value bipod out there boys?
Swfa fixed 6x or Schmidt and Bender Hunter fixed 6x300 vs 1200 usd respectively.
>>41494640SWFA, no joke. Spending a 1200 on a fixed 6 is just dumb. There's a lot of good glass you can get for that kind of money. Don't fall for the S&B marketing.
>>41495029Yeah I kinda prefer a fixed 10 HD from swfa closer in that price area. I just like fixed optics.
>>41457746Not really a super precision question, but I want to buy a nice(r) bolt action. My local range has gongs out to 450. Any recommendations in .308? Taking AI mags like my ruger american predator would a plus. My LGS has some howas, browning x bolts, and DD's new bolt action, all of which I liked.
>>41496067Oh yeah Begara felt nice as well.
Can I do better than a US optics fixed 10x for 1500 usd?
>>41488409One day my dad and I are going to build a PSG-1 style build of an HK93 in 5.56x45MM NATO.
>>41496067Your ruger american will do it fine anon. Whats the budget for the new rifle and glass and is it just to ring steel or are you going to hunt with it?
>>41496585Glass is going to come later. I'm doing all of my firearms purchases now due to a slew of bullshit coming down the line July 1st, which may or may not affect bolt guns. I'd still be able to buy post July, but I guarantee whatever system WA comes up with will be a complete registry. I'd prefer less than 2 grand for the rifle. Probably just steel, the ruger predator is really what I plan to hunt with.
>>41496739honestly I'd just buy a chassis or a nicer stock for your RAP. you could get an x-bolt which is ~$1k, or the x-bolt long ranges which are ~$2k. Even with the fire without pulling the trigger bullshit, 700s are always a solid choice too
Anyone wanna buy the stock off a B-14 hmr? They fit rem 700 pattern actions. 300 with stock and 1 Mag.
>>41496939short or long bro
>>41496960Unfired take off
Page 10 save.
>>41496526>usoST-10 can be found for $950. Regardless, stay away from uso. They're utter garbage. Go find a nightforce SHV 4-14x50 F1 with a mil reticle. It is leagues ahead of uso in quality, and the best optic in that price range.
>>41499662I’ve heard rather good things about USO. What makes you say they are utter garbage?
I'm going to get the area 419 bergara package. which scope rings and bipod should I get? Hit me with that spoonfeed senpai>>41491793>>41498100mein negro
>>41476145WGWS, stick around, not all trips hate you that much. Speaking of which, whats your Discord number?
>>41501580No problem. Both were me while working nightshift.
My mgm contender pistol barrel in 223 will be here soon gents. I cannot wait to hear the AR fag's excuses then. >"ITS A BULL BAWWAL!!">"ITS GAWT A SCOPE ONNIT!">"LIGHT TWIGGARS ARE A BLANKET FOWR POAR FUNDAMENTALZ!"Delicious, delicious tears. I hit a normal size propane tank on the range today, 415 yards away. With a 6 inch barrel 38 special. And knocked my 8 inch gong around @ 200 yards pretty frequently. Twas a good session, considering I haven't shot that gun past 50 yards till today.
Is varmint a must-have for long-range precision shooting?
>>41503455Varget? Or varmint profile barrels? Ive heard heavy barrels called that, im assuming its local vernacular.
>>41503498I don't know if you use different terminology in Burgerland, but this is what I'm looking at: https://www.tikka.fi/rifles/tikka-t3x/t3x-varmintVarmint has a pipe that is more thicc compared to the regular T3x. I have read it is good for long-range shooting, but I do not understand why.
>>41503642More stiffness and rigidity in a given length typically, also take longer to heat up when firing longer strings.
>>41503683Thank you for the explanation. Is 60 cm (24 inches) pipe length sufficient or do I need something even longer?
>>4150372224-26 inches is perfect for long range. 22 inch is doable but more likely going to be for hunting as well
>>41503722Barrel, my man, barrel. And in the states varmint hunting is pretty popular, and its basically popping groundhogs all day, so it requires a barrel that won't heat up as fast. A 24 inch barrel should be more than enough for 95% of calibers.
>>41503738>>41503783Excellent, I think I am zoning in on what to use then. I'll get a Tikka T3x and attach a silencer to decrease the recoil. The only thing that remains to decide on is optics. There are so many options for scope to choose from that it feels rather overwhelming. I think 25x magnification should suffice, no? What are some options I could go with if I have a budget of $800? How about if the budget would increase to $1.5k - would there be a noticeable increase in quality even for a person who has not done this for years?
>>41461522whats wrong with .308? I've been trying to decide if the T3X hunter I'm getting should be in 7mm-08 or .308.
>>41504066I just picked up Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25x50 EBR-2D MRAD (FFP) PST-5257 for $750 all in with tax and shipping. MSRP is $1,100 or so. Came in mail today, optic wuality is great, I am really impressed.
>>41504451It is twice that in Yuropoorland unfortunately. Otherwise it seems the clear choice. I have heard a lot of good things about Vortex in that price range.
>>41504307If you reload, 7-08, if you dont 308. If you want mememasheens 6.5 creed.
>>41504733dad has muh great grandfathers i think browning lever in 7mm-08. Been wanting to that out to the range sometime. We def have some overpacked handloads somewhere lmao
>>41503326you wrote this like people even care about you or who you are
>>41504965No ugly bitches.
500 dollar optic on a 1800 dollar rifle or an 1800 dollar optic on a 500 dollar rifle. You can't balance the budget. You have to choose one set up.
>>41501580bergara b14 hmr with the area 419 package and Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25x50which scope rings please my dudes? im retarded help me out
>>41505439the latter obviously when >100y is concerned. c'mon mang
>>41504733is there just a better selection of 308 loading's from the factory?
Is a fixed 10x too much for 300 meters? I've been indoctrinated by YouTube videos that fixed is best and 10x is the most versatile magnification setting.
>>41505444and should i do .82'' low ring mounts or higher???!!
>>41474704I have badger ordnance rings and rails, no complaints so far. As far as 700-style rails and rings go, they seems to be pretty well liked too
>>41505500No, I literally use 20x for 100 yard group chasing.
>>41505460Absolutely. And its a ton cheaper on average. At least in my neck of the deserts.
>>41505500It's pretty reasonable for 300.On that note: what are some gud fixed 10x optics?
>>41505790I'll probably pick it up in .308 then. time to go back and forth between the T3X and the B-14
>>41505873Shit and Bender PM2 fixed 10US Optics fixed 10SWFA HD 10SWFA 1018001500800300Usd respectively.
>>41505444https://www.amazon.com/HBLMS-Harris-extends-swivels-notched/dp/B00OLZ67TS/ref=pd_sbs_200_6/143-9846192-8483617?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00OLZ67TS&pd_rd_r=c35582d2-7926-11e9-a48a-7140e5d87a3d&pd_rd_w=iZrHN&pd_rd_wg=azYlk&pf_rd_p=588939de-d3f8-42f1-a3d8-d556eae5797d&pf_rd_r=2KMB9J3KFN8DR4SC0P5X&psc=1&refRID=2KMB9J3KFN8DR4SC0P5Xdumb question but will this bipod fit a stand pic rail?
I have 1700 for a rifle. I already have an optic for it. Any recommendations for something that doesn't need a lot of work out the box?
What do you guys think of Sako rifles? I was originally going to get something less expensive like a Tikka, but I'm going to have a lot of disposable soon and a Sako Finnbear Deluxe in 30-06 was my grandfathers favorite rifle. I've always wanted one because of this, and I really like how the model 85 classic looks. would it be a terrible idea to splurge for the Sako?
>>41508291Every company has their flaws...but if you have the coin and you really want a sako then its entirely up to you.My suggestion is to finger fuck one for a long time at a gunstore before you buy. Nothing worse then buying a rifle that has great reviews but feels wonky as fuck in your hands.
>>41506415No. You’ll need an adapter. They’re made to mount on a sling swivel stud.
>>41506653Distance?Bench queen or hunting? Both? 60/40?Group chasing? (How far) or gong chasing (how far)Do you reload? If yes what calibersAre you willing to learn? Yes? Whats reloading budget?What country? Are you allowed centerfire semi autos?So many buttfucking variables besides budget, be specific nigger, or you will get "buy a .22 bolt, and learn wind and holds and gitgud faggot"
U sUcC me now
>>41510033Sub 500 yards.Hunting.Anything 1moa or tighter is fineI reload 7mm rem mag and 300 win mag.Free State Murica I can own whatever.
>>41510078Is that a Christinson?
>>41510122What size game?
>>41504898Found the shitshot ar owner that says "pistols are only for getting to your rifle." Way to limit yourself with excuses.
>>41485143The Anime DMR, created by WhatgripWhatstock aka wugggy aka wusgus aka Max Chen aka K's /ARG/ title Making a Murder aka Wugwug. Is a very real rifle barely capable of 1 MOA, shooter dependent.You might not like it but it is what peak performance looks like
>>41510616I disagree that is what peak performance looks like, even in an AR10.
>>41510774Sarcasm dude sarcasm.
>>41510128Weatherby Mark V
>>41510204Big ass cold weather deer, people, and elk/moose when I visit my family on a yearly basis. The deer are 180 pounds minimum.
>>41511727manlets or full grown adult males?
>>41511727honestly if you're mainly hunting game that sie id say 30-06 or 300wm in a1. ruger american predator with aftermarket stock2. browning x-bolt3. winchester xpr or 70
I'm working on the permission slip for my suppressor right now. In the meantime I was wondering, if I thread a suppressor on the end of my barrel and twist it 360 degrees clockwise, will the point of aim move approximately 360 degrees clockwise too?
>>41512642yeah it'll shoot behind you but thats not very safe desu
>>41474370>>41465836do I need an angled mount for 1000 yardish shooting or is a 0moa mount with the nf scope fine
>>41513249It depends on the height of your scope rings and the elevation available in your scope. I rock 40 moa total which will take my 6.5CM out past a mile with my scope.
>>41512642>>41512843>be bullet>turn 360 degrees and leave gun
>>41513298A 40 moa rail?
>>4151456320 moa rail. Then another 20 in a spuhr.
I'm a 23 year old boomer who thinks 7mm rem mag is the best general purpose 1000 yard cartridge and 6.5 is a flash in the pan 260 Remington clone. Change my mind because I feel the need to capitalize on the 6.5 popularity.
>>41514718Eh 6mm bullets tend to have the best ballistics for long range. 6.5mm to 7mm is the best for killing targets at range. Can’t remember where I saw all the data for it. I feel like the best balance of everything would be a 6.5mm long action or magnum round
>>41514766Weatherby has a 6.5x300 round that melts barrels in 15 rounds and shoots a 149 gr at like 3600 fps.
>>41514788More like 600-1k budhttps://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/the-6-5-300-weatherby-magnum/99422
>>41514831Damn that sucks. I was just memeing about the shit barrel life but I didn't think it would be that bad.
>>41506086I'm looking at the swfa HD currentlyHow cucked would I be with a fixed 10x vs a comparable variable optic?
>>41514831>>41514852Damn. Reading that I’m not surprised. .300 weatherby magnum necked down that much is gonna burn barrels. If I get into making wildcats i was thinking of necking down .30-06 to 6mm or 6.5mm
>>41514882The fixed 10x will compare to 2k usd optics in terms of clarity and tracking. It will be more rugged and lightweight. I'm biased towards fixed but performance per dollar beats the hell out of variable.
>>41514959You make it sound tempting.I looked through an swfa 16x before. It was reasonably good but had a small eyebox. Though idk about the 10x
>>41514831>at 500 yards, where it is still zipping along at 2,725 fps and packing 2,143 ft-lbs of energy.>That's darned near as much speed and energy as the popular 6.5 Creedmoor has at the muzzle.Jesus fucking Christ
>>41514882Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-16x44 ffpVortex Diamondback Tactical 4-12x40 sfp
>>41515017My budget isn't that limitedAre these gud?https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-viper-hs-t-4-16x44-riflescope.html
>>41515082>>41515017lel nevermind. don't want a sfp scope
>>41515082Yeah they are nice. Opticsplanet has one of their $1200 scopes on sale for around $600 right now.> https://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-viper-pst-4-16x50-ffp-rifle-scope.htmlWhich is a step up from the one you listed moneybags.
>>41515139>>41515126I see. That's a good ass deal. >tfw credit card is fucked up and wont have a new one until wednesday
>>41515008That’s weatherby anything for you bud
>>41515008I mean that's cool but honestly for what purpose. With that ammo cost and length of case you might as well get a 375 cheytac.
What are some of your favorite rifles for hunting or precision shooting? Don't die please I like these threads