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"Military Specialists" Edition

>General guide
https://pastebin.com/4X2gsVwS
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Any idea what bnvd this is?
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>>41436228
qioptic kestrel

based on the specs it looks like it was submitted to the solicitation that the PVS-31 eventually won.
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>>41435097
Where can I get a flak that's near identical to the Marine Corps issued one? I had no problems with it, and know that it's comfortable during long periods of wear / running. I have a cheap banshee plate carrier with AR500 that is extremely uncomfortable. I want to upgrade.
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>>41435097
Tfw Rhodesian brushstroke gear just came in from FFV
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>>41436342
>Banshee with AR500
>wants an IMTV
yikes almost fell for that one
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>>41436478
I'm not that old, unfortunately.
I'm talking the SPC. Do not want the medieval armor setup.
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>>41436513
>SPC/ISPC
Just as bad
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>>41436690
The SPC is much better than the IMTV.
Regardless, I had no problems with the SPC. I'm just looking for suggestions for a similar PC or a PC that is as comfortable as the SPC.
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>>41436394
I haven't seen any reviews on their stuff, is it The Good Shit or is it only good for larping?
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>>41436716
Eagle MBAV but if you get one you'll probably regret not getting something nicer tbqh.
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>>41436925
Where can I find a new MBAV? It looks like you can only get them from vets who stole them on ebay.

I'm open to alternatives. I just want something that's going to be comfortable and has a cummerbund.
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>>41437042
just being on ebay doesn't mean they're stolen, they've been commercially available. afaik they're out of production now but entrygear still has a handful. the velocity systems scarab is nice, as is the crye jpc and the eagle MMAC
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>>41437042
Honestly get better plates, it'll go a long way comfort wise. AR500 is garbage and should be replaced anyways.
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>>41437090
The JPCs look really slick but I'm concerned about comfort. Will the skeletonized cummerbund let full mag pouches dig into you? The SPC was so padded. I'm a little skeptical about these high-speed set ups out of a fear of too little cushion.
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>>41437111
Yeah I know. I bought them before I joined the military. I also tested one of my ar500 side sapis and was not super impressed with the suppression of spalling.
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>>41437166
>Will the skeletonized cummerbund let full mag pouches dig into you?
i've been leaving the sides mostly bare so hard to say
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>>41436342
just get a crye avs or lbt 6094. those are gonna be the most similar without being complete shit
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>>41435097

Looking for a decent LBV for AR mags. Any recommendations?
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>>41437229
>Two completely different carriers
>Recommending a 6094
s mh.
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>>41437211
I've always run 2 double mag pouches on my support side cummerbund. The SPC has that semi-rigid polymer insert in the cummerbund so it didn't cause any issues.
I also hated the issued belt, so I kept everything I needed on my flak. Pretty much all the real estate that was available was used.
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>>41437166
It should be fine unless you're putting your mag pouches on the inside?
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>>41437211
>>41437229
>>41437278
Another issue with the non-rigid cummerbunds is that you need to wear them snug or your pouches are going to be flopping.
I always ran the SPCs rigid cummerbunds loose so that it didn't constrict my breathing. I feel like the chest contriction will drive me crazy; especially if I end up taking it running.
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>>41437248
youre the first person ive heard of not liking 6094. whats wrong with it? i only have a jpc and avs but the 6094 looks very similar to what we were issued in the marine corps
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>>41437307
> I feel like the chest contriction will drive me crazy; especially if I end up taking it running.
I've never used the SPC, only the MBAV, but the JPC's shock cord setup expands way easier than the elastic in the MBAV. I have mine set so it's snug and doesn't beat me up when i have to go prone or stand up, and it is fine to breath in.
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>>41437325
6094 sizing is all over the place, in my experience my plates fit like a hotdog down a hallway (yes it was a correctly sized carrier)
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>>41437307
>>41437331
i agree. im using the the new stretch cummerbund from crye and ive used the jpc and i never had a problem with it being too tight
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>>41437325
It's not that I don't like it, I liked it when I had one; It's that it's somewhat antiquated and absurdly overpriced for what it is. It MSRPs for around $400 when it should cost $200, there's no reason to buy one when the Mayflower APC, AWS OCPC, JPC, First Spear STT are all around $200 and offer a lot more design-wise.
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>>41437394
fair enough. guys i worked with used it so thats the extent of my experience with it
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>>41437394
>>41437406
So I guess I'll just get with the times since I can't get a direct analog to the SPC.
Which JPC should I get?
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>>41437435
2.0 is fine and you can get the zip on panels if you want. if youre looking to load up the plate carrier id consider the avs. i used my jpc as an assaulter type load out and i felt like i had too much stuff on it.
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>>41436886
im not the person you replied to but everything I've bought from fireforce ventures has been pretty garbage
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>>41437435
>So I guess I'll just get with the times since I can't get a direct analog to the SPC.
Not exactly true, there are carriers with firmer cummerbunds and padding like the AVS. Also if you have soft armor pockets in your skeletal cummerbund that'll definitely increase the rigidity.
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>>41437453
Like I said, I didn't like to use belts so everything went on the PC. 3 double mag pouches, 2 grenade pouches, knife, long horizontal pouch just for earpro / eyepro so it wasn't crushed, nvg pouch, flat-pack on the back.
>assaulter
What do you mean by this? Like more of a light-weight raid-type setup?
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>>41437529
mags, plates + side plates, breaching tool, radio, water bladder. would have been much more comfortable with the avs setup i have now. the jpc imo is more suited to a slick setup like a few mags and a radio at the most.
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>>41437521
I'm looking at the AVS but it doesn't have the semi-rigid polymer insert that the SPC did. With the cummerbund its really less about padding and more about protecting your sides from the pointy corner of a magazine pouch.
With the actual front and back portions I am still skeptical about the lack of padding. Is it comfy for you over long periods / running around? My only experience is with the SPC with was padded and had soft armor inserts front and back, and the banshee which has no padding whatsoever and it feels terrible just putting it on.
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>>41437546
I see. I guess I'm leaning more towards the AVS at this point.
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>>41436886
I won’t know before I wash it a few times to get out the roughness and take it out to the boonies a few times. So far it seems that the fabric is very strong but the stitching was sloppy. I’m having the pants cut up at some point and turned into crye g3 pattern pants at some point
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>>41437560
The AVS has a harness frame that is semi rigid.
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should Grey Ghost be removed from. the pastebin? I saw their minimalist carrier on person today and it looks like condor gear. does it get a pass because it's made in America?
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>>41437560
Padding is pretty overrated if you have well fitting light plates.
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>>41437593
Thank ya, didn't see that.
>>41437612
What are the top-tier ceramics?
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>>41437593
>>41437654
im using the harness with my avs and it solves the padding problem while giving me a spot to mount side plates and running my antenna re-locator
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>>41437664
pic of side plate setup pls?
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>>41437664
I'm looking at this vs the base config and I'm wondering how long this thing takes to don / doff.
Do you use just the harness as your cummerbund or do you use the skeletonized one on top of it?
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>>41437706
Not him, I use both. Honestly doesn't take much longer to don, maybe 0.5s per side. doff is just as fast as a normal plate carrier, faster if you use the shoulder buckle
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>>41437654
>Top tier
Whoa there cowboy, honestly "top tier" is pretty subjective depending on the desired protection level, it also depends on if you're going to use soft armor.
Special threat standalone III+ plates or really light level IVs can go up to almost a grand a plate.
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>>41437690
i dont have the side plates on now but its exactly like this from cryes website
>>41437706
im running the crye stretch cummerbund over the harness. it takes no longer than a normal ditch/don. the harness slides into a spot on the front platebag and then my cummerbund velcros like normal
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>>41437725
Looks like the AVS is what I'm going to end up with.
>>41437732
I guess I'm looking for level IVs and then some soft armor. I Know they can get pretty expensive - I saw the bill my buddy got from CIF after his flak was stolen.
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>>41437768
So do you run this for work? How bad are the side plates? Side sapis in the SPC were cancer.
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>>41437824
i did, im out now, but with the harness i didnt notice the side plates. the harness makes the entire plate carrier kinda float on you and its also rigid enough where the side plates, radio, and mags wont dig in your side. im sure the other anon can vouch for it too.
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>>41437810
Well if you have standalone level IVs you don't really need front and back soft armor. ICW level IVs are a much better bet if you intend to use soft armor, they're thinner and lighter while providing the same protection provided you have a soft armor backer.
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>>41437824
>>41437848
since the side plates go between the harness and cummerbund it's pretty comfy, they're not digging into you unless you're a weird shape. with the cummerbund cinched down they don't flop around like they do mounted to the outside of a cummerbund , either

ofc when you're wearing this it does add some bulk vs just having them up against your body but i think the tradeoff is worth it unless you're a tunnel rat or something
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>>41437868
I'm not well versed on the necessities of soft armor. I assumed we were issued soft armor front, back, sides to help with IED frag.
So soft armor will be extra padding, but might be a thicker overall package? What's a good standalone plate?
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>>41437901
Sounds solid.
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>>41437848
Thanks for the knowledge.
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>>41437964
no problem. if you buy the avs and its components you wont really need any other plate carrier set ups. you can scale it up and down to most mission sets
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>>41437920
So ICW means in-conjunction-with meaning the plate needs a backer to achieve the labeled rating, like SAPIs and ESAPIs are ICW thus require soft armor. If you intend to use soft armor you should go ICW and ESAPIs are pretty good for the money as long as they're in good condition; Crye, Arbor Arms, Velocity Systems sell soft armor.
Otherwise Hescos are a good brand for standalone.
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>>41437975
Do you know of a good retailer to buy it from? Don't want to get raped on the price b/c I don't know the right website to go to.
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>>41438006
directly from crye or optactical has their stuff in stock a lot. op tac will give you a live stock, crye will email you after you order if something is back ordered
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>>41437978
Hescos are really cheap. What happened to that 1k per plate? Do you think it's better to run soft+plates or standalones?
>>41438038
What do you use for plates?
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What’s a common Level IV plate weight, 7-9 pounds a plate? Also will 8 pound plates be to much weight for a slickster?
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>>41438063
i use issued plates that my buddy may or may not have turned in and then passed on to me but im gonna get hesco IV plates soon
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>>41438063
I mean, I can show you 1k per plate.
>https://store.atarmor.com/AT_Armor_Special_Threat_Optimized_STOP_BZ_IP_Plate_p/at-stop-bz.htm
>https://highcomarmor.com/product/guardian-4sss2/

Soft+ICW vs standalone depends on you, whether you care for extra frag coverage or not. Weight and thickness usually ends up being about the same if we're comparing two good setups. Standalone is usually cheaper though.
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>>41438085
I'm guessing hescos are about the same weight as the standard military SAPIs? The price looks legit.
>>41438162
I see. I guess hescos are the way to go. I'd like soft armor since there's seemingly no detriments other than cost, but that's more research.
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>>41438247
hesco has several weights for each armor rating. just pick how much youre willing to spend vs how heavy you want your plates. the lightest level 4 plates they have are close to $1000 each
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>>41438247
Well, if you're getting the standard AVS plate bags you're not getting any extra coverage so there's no point in soft armor and on the MBAV plate bags the extra coverage is arguably very little.
Also no, ESAPI/SAPIs weigh less than most level IV Hesco plates because they're ICW. If you're going to get standalone Hescos I suggest you go for a multicurve model.
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>>41438265
I see. Just looked it up. They seem to be significantly lighter across the board. Apparently large SAPIs are 13lbs a piece.
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>>41438327
>>41438265
Nvm SAPIs weigh like 4.6 for larges.
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>>41438326
Dude these things are like twice the weight for level IVs
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>>41438475
? A medium standalone Hesco 4400 is 7.9lbs and an ESAPI is 5.50lbs without a backer, around 7.1 with a backer.
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>>41438506
Ok nvm I'm stupid.
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>>41437654
>What are the top-tier ceramics?
Give me a price point and a size.
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>>41438815
Like $1k per plate and IDK about the size...I'm going with the Crye AVS. Don't know whether to do standard/MBAV/swimmers plate pouch.
I use a lot of real estate on my PC.
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>>41439001
>Don't know whether to do standard/MBAV/swimmers plate pouch
the amount of useable space shouldn't change between standard and MBAV
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>>41439054
They offer them as a seperate options on their website. I don't know what the difference is.
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>>41439134
just the part that actually takes your armor. if you're using standalone plates i'd just get standard. the crye sizing is based off of SAPI sizes so you should make sure the plate you want comes in the right size for your body and your platebags
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>>41435097
Sup boizzzz
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>>41439001
>1k per plate
L4 plates generally top out much lower than that. The Highcom 4S17M is a very good L4 at around $300 - but heavy. The real money is in the L3 plates - generally ICW a Kevlar backer. L3 does not have the overall stopping power of an L4, but they are rated for multi-hit and are generally lighter. These are standalone and fit your budget:
>https://highcomarmor.com/product/guardian-3s11m/
If you want heavy and heavy duty then go 4S17M:
>https://highcomarmor.com/product/guardian-4s17m/
There are no easy answers. Your fundamentals are overall stopping power, multi-hit capability, weight, and cost. You are always compromising somewhere.
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>>41439163
Thanks. Thoughts on swimmer's cut?
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>>41439182
Now I'm just wondering how common AP ammo is in Africa...
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>>41439240
>>41439240
>Thoughts on swimmer's cut?
hard pass imo. i have never had any trouble with range of motion or mobility with correctly sized SAPI-shaped plates. (granted i shoulder the buttstock as described in pic related)

Most swimmers cut plates on the commercial market are also single-curve and not multi-curve like the military issued SAPIs/ESAPIs.
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>>41439287
fuck i meant to attach this
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>>41439287
Gotcha.
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>>41439283
Well, you can go L3/L4 ICW a Kevlar backer if that is a concern:
>https://highcomarmor.com/product/guardian-34i1/
They will be a little heavier than an L3 - probably lighter than an L4. They will have multihit capability, if that is a concern. If they do get tagged, the backers will probably survive so you do not lose all of the investment like you do with a standalone plate. Sometimes the backer gets wasted, though. You gave a reasonable budget so you have a lot of options. Most people are unrealistic.
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>>41439340
I like the option to double up. Where can you find the weights on their website? I'm not seeing it.
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>>41439386
Dunno. They just rebuilt the website. It used to be in "specifications" but now it's fucking gone. I'll keep looking. You could try looking for the same plate at Chase Tactical. I think they had weights.
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>>41439411
Sucks that they're a pound heavier than ESAPIs
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>>41439411
Update: Chase definitely has weights under "Size Chart".
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>>41439460
Weight is always a concern. If it sucks hard enough then you compromise elsewhere. I have a second set of lightweight plates in case injuries/exhaustion preclude me from using my heavy plates.
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>>41439530
Dude this sucks. Where can I get Level III/IV ICW plates like ESAPIs? Wiki says that medium ESAPis are 5.5lbs per plate.
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>>41439558
If you have a government letter then Velocity Systems has some good options. What is your intended role?
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>>41439580
No letter. It's for personal use. I'm just looking for the same protection / weight afforded by ESAPIs
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>>41439601
For unrestricted/easy availability Highcom (for the midrange on up stuff) and Hesco (for the more budget stuff) are my bread and butter. I think you need to deal with a couple of extra pounds unless you jump a lot of hoops. LTC has some civilian available options but I have been away from that stuff for a while so I am fuzzy on them. You might give that a spin. Are you in a rush?
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>>41439677
I didn't realize that our old ESAPIs were that good by civilian standards. I'm not in a rush.
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Are Mystery Ranch bags worth?
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>>41439732
Yes.
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>>41439717
The old ESAPIs are ok. A lot of people shit on them but they are a decent option. Anything better than them in one category is likely compromising somewhere else. I will dance with this a bit and get back here Monday morning. I believe these people to carry all of the LTC stuff that is open to the public:
>https://www.lightweightarmorsolutions.com/index.php/2017/03/13/leading-technology-composites-provider-rifle-plates-socom/
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>>41439798
Thanks my dude.
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>>41437706
The harness slips into a loop and you can secure it with velcro or leave it free. The backing is stiff so it stays in the loop naturally.
Arbor Arms apprently sells a kit that can convert it to tubes.
https://arborarmsusa.com/product/fnmc-kit-first-spear-tubes-non-maritime/
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>>41440086
Thanks
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>>41440097
The skeleton cummerbund is also sold separately. Base config comes with a single thin strap with velcro that secures to the front via velcro.
Base config also has no front molle/magazine flap, sold separately.
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>>41440149
and here's the harness backing loop
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>>41439558
They're all over ebay for 300-400 lmao also it seems like this already been said but based off what you're saying I don't think you realize that you N E E D a backer for ESAPIs and SAPIs meaning "5.5lbs" is actually "7lbs~" per plate.
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>>41440157
Ahh I see now. So what's holding it in place there? Velcro?
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>>41440293
I get that you need a backer for ESAPIs to perform at Level IV. I was pointing out that ESAPIs are lighter than civilian-available Level III/IV ICW plates I was seeing.
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>>41440308
In that picture specifically? Nothing other than the inherent stiffness of the backpiece and friction. It doesn't fall out as easily as you think.
However, there are velcro strips for securing both sides.

I think a good alternative would be to run a shock cord through both sides and tighten/loosen as necessary.
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>>41440332
You need a backer to arguably perform at any level. Also like I said, ESAPIs are all over ebay and commonly found at surplus for sub $400 a set, I got pair for $200. If it looks like it's in good condition do a tap and torque test to see if it's been compromised.
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>>41440361
Thanks for pics. Do you run the skeletonized cummerbund? How do you like the avs?
>>41440367
>You need a backer to arguably perform at any level
Really? So I can't scale with a III/IV ICW plate? I don't want to buy stolen property. I'd also rather know where my plates are coming from rather than roll the dice on some unknown condition ESAPIs that were jacked by some LCpl.
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>>41440414
>I don't want to buy stolen property.
Nobody cares, they're not the current XSAPIs/LSAPIs which are regulated and tons of people have them, they get surplussed all the time. Also I just told you how to check the integrity short of simply paying for an xray.
>So I can't scale with a III/IV ICW plate?
No, I'm sure it'll stop I/IIA threats but everything past that is sketchy.
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>>41440489
>tfw I possess a metrology x-ray
A-anyone want me to scan their plates?
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>>41440489
I know how to check the integrity of a plate, I still don't want to buy stolen prop.
They market the ICW plates as being capable of stopping level III threats when used standalone.
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>>41440414
I use the single strip base strap it came with for now, but I have ordered an Arbor Arms Tubes skeletal tube kit.
I also have only had the AVS for about a week and I'm just a larper.

>Likes:
Super comfy, even comfier than the First Spear Strandhogg, which I have tried. The carrier just FEELS lighter, probably because of the stiff back piece. It distributes weight very well.
Fits Highcom 4s17m sapi plates perfectly (0.95” thick)
By design the top of the back plate actually stands off from your shoulders an inch or so, giving you extra range of movement.
None of that mesh bullshit for inside lining. Mesh catches briars like crazy

>Dislikes:
The way it's sold in pieces really jacks up the price. The zipper back panels and front panels are especially pricey for no good reason.
It's not as well stitched as First Spear stuff.
Sharp as fuck velcro corners everywhere. Maybe I'm just being a bitch but I've scratched myself a ton during assembly and adjustment.
Assembly is a bit of a pain in the ass.
Front molle flap is very bulky because it incorporates a 3 mag kangaroo pouch. I'd rather just have a plain molle flap with no pouches if it meant a cheaper flap. I use .308 magazines that can't even fit in the kangaroo pouch.
Admin pouch is hard to open.

>Neutral:
Don/doffing is a tossup. It has a buckle at the shoulder, but the front is traditional velcro. Getting that Arbor Arms tubes kit will hopefully remedy this.
Definitely not low-profile, but I knew that going in. The modular plate bag design makes it bulkier in the front and rear than conventional designs.
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>>41440535
Get it through your thick skull retard. Esapi are milsurp now, not controlled
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>>41440521
xray these nuts
>>41440535
Who? What plate?
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>>41440489
>>41440568
Who's this in the pic
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>>41440570
Literally every plate marked "Level III/IV In Conjunction With soft armor." Reading comprehension.
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>>41440553
correction on the front molle flap, I see that crye does sell a flat simple molle flap
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>>41440553
Thanks for the feedback.
A shoulder buckle and a velcro cummerbund has always been super fast for me to don/doff.
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>>41440600
That's not how it works dumbass. IV threats does not always encompass threats III and ESAPIs are rated by a different standard so they write III/IV because it's inclusive of III and IV threats.
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>>41440663
Show me the source for your claim that level IVs don't always encompass level III threats.
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>>41440682
>http://www.midwestarmor.com/how-to-choose-the-right-body-armor
>Note the difference in shot count between a level III (6 shots) and level IV (1 shot) certification. Depending on the situation, level IV is therefore not automatically better than level III, despite the higher numerical ranking.
Sorry, poor wording. I don't mean that IV won't take round of 5.56, IV plates definitely will. But based off the specific standards of the plate, it might not be as good a III plate for 5.56. Especially in the case of ESAPIs where it's rated to a completely different standard. Also NIJ06 is pretty outdated because it doesn't encompass newer AP loads which FBI special threat and ESAPI ratings test for.
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I have a chest rig with a wide kangaroo pouch in the front as well as molle on the face. would it be more stable to get some inserts, or a molle mag shingle? Im leaning towards shingle since I'd like to swap it to my carrier too.
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>>41440852
>Some plates may be listed as “level III/IV ICW”, which means the plate is rated as a level III without a backer and level IV with a backer.
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>>41441105
What do you mean by inserts on the chest rig. Does it have integrated mag pouches?
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>>41440852
>>41441148
Eat it, faggot.
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>>41441152
it's got two dedicated mag pouches on the side, and one wide opening in the front I'm thinking of putting this in it
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>>41441216
Don't get inserts. Just buy individual molle magazine pouches. Don't buy a shingle.
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>>41441148
>>41441177
Did you not bother reading what I wrote or what? I already acknowledged that.
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>>41436237
>based on the specs it looks like it was submitted to the solicitation that the PVS-31 eventually won.
I believe they were developed for UKSF as an analogue to PVS-31
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>>41441489
look at this dude...
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>>41441491
seems likely, as MJK has been spotted with them as well. FSK/MJK tend to take notes from SAS/SBS.
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>>41441489
Are those Dr Martens?
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its sneaker season, my dudes
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>>41441609
H A P A
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>>41441534
Nice isn’t it?

>>41441552
Of course. It matches the outfit
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>>41441993
No, super gay larping. Makes me cringe.
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>>41442035
You are just jealous dude.
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>>41442041
Wrong, my guy.
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>>41441323
whats wrong with shingles my dude?
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>>41442690
Extra bulk for no reason.
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>>41442709
doesn't look that bulky to me
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>>41442801
I got it backwards kek
Now i too want to know what's wrong with shingles
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>>41439165
You need to pray more at the temple of iron
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Summer comes earlier and earlier with every passing year
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>>41441489
Feminine anime hands
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>>41441609
What neckgaiter is that?
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>>41443632
multicam mesh gaiter, its made by Mission Critical Designs. Theyre also the ones that made the mini nseas condoms
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>>41439165
Sup fag.
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What is the most affordable plate carrier of all time? If it only comes in multicam don't even bother.
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Are battlebelts a meme or are they actually good?
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>>41443840
tape
>>41443846
they are good
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>>41441545
>MJK has been spotted with them as well
got a pic?
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Rate my set up
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>>41443909
grayman af
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>>41443909
Saved by the bell / 10
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>>41437394
you should never buy one at MSRP. During sales you can get one at 200.
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giv atak apk link pls
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>>41443895
they also had them during a deployment in Kabul if I recall correct. There are some pictures from an attack there, where their NODs are blurred out. Which was weird at the time, because NORSOF is already known for using n/seas. But the silhouette didnt look like n/seas, the way they were stowed.
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>>41444135
Here is one of the pics, there's another one, Imma try to find it
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>>41444191
this is the other pic, blurred avon masks and NODs
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Can someone redpill me on 5.11?
I was considering one of their backpacks, why are they deemed shit?
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>>41444356

5.11 went for a very long period where their qc was shit and their products were pretty much chinkshit/condor-tier. They're still pretty mediocre desu and most of their products are geared toward Law Enforcement which isn't in and of itself a bad thing but cops are notoriously cheap. 5.11 customer niche is literally made up of people rationalizing buying an inferior product with the old phrase "Just as good".
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>>41443909
I think I've seen you somewhere before
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>>41444033
Yeah but why would I buy one when APCs, JPCs, and STTs are regularly 200~
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>>41444406
Interesting. I've heard nothing but praise form the people I know.
Can you point me towards a better alternative?
Basically looking to replace pic related (30€) with something of similar volume (around 30l) and as durable.
I want something robust for 150€
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>>41442690
That last guy wasn't me. Don't get shingles because you lose versatility. If you get single mag pouches you can move them to whatever positions you want on your chestrig / PC / belt.
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>>41443909
Degenerate boomer 0/10
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>>41444577
Get an ALICE pack. Small or Med size.
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>>41444577

When it comes to packs I unironically recommend milsurp. ALICE, molle, whatever you order will be solid and have significantly better stitching than 5.11/condor
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>>41444625
>>41444815
>budget of 150
>recommending alice pack
there are a thousand many better options at this price
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Hey gear queers,

I am a new JTAC and was looking for gear suggestions for a gunbelt. I am issued the AVS belt from Crye but don't like how big it is. I want a smaller slimmer belt and I would like if it could attach to the belt through my belt loops.

I need it to have molle to attach a holster, rifle mag, pistol mag, ifak, and izlid pouch.

Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks.
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>>41445334
Ronin, AWS, dual layer.
Be more than they guy who talks to the bird.
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>>41445478
Ronin Senshi looks nice. Thanks for the suggestion Bunkbed.

Yeah, I am at a pretty high speed ASOS. Hoping to get some good training and put in work.
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>>41445527
When you get stuck at Polk or SpecialAviation don’t let your PT slack and share the RFI wealth with your less fortunate high-speed counterparts
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>>41445334
like mentioned earlier, Ronin is good. Sturdy, slim, good hold. I have the TF myself.

Ive also heard good about Tyr, but I cant give any personal opinion.
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>>41445556
Lol no way senpai, I am at Pope. I get to rub shoulders with 3rd Group and occasionally the real cool guys.

I will always share as much info as I can with JFOs, best I can do is turn them into discount JTACs and do type 2 through them, really expand the territory I can control through.

You are a medic by trade right?
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>>41445204
>1000s of better options at this price
How much experience do you have using packs in the field? How about an alice packs?
Are you retarded?
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>>41445626
Well Ronin is sold out and Tyr has belts in stock and are running a 30% off sale.

Can anyone explain Tyr gunbelts to me. Cool Norse name.
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>>41445674
Correct. Polk was my first duty station and I keep seeing the JTAC’s I met there in country.
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>>41443943
Like the LBV, the ESEE and the G-401. What do you carry in your medkit anon, just curious?
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>>41445690
They’re like Ronin’s but floppier. You have the choice of which side you want the hook and loop on. I like ronins because you can use the inner belt as a uniform belt and throw the loaded one on over.
https://www.awsin.com/products.asp?id=164
Will also do it
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Are there decent plate carriers under 150?
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>>41445820
Beez Combat Systems
Various slicks.
What do you want?
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>>41445820
not unless you make them yourself. You might be able to get a surplus eagle, condor, etc on sale if you're satisfied with airsoft tier gear
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>>41445836
Something to hold front and back plates and mags.
Looking at the spartan sentry, but it doesn't come with it's pouches.
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>>41445866
With it's own pouches.**

Sorry on mobile.
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>>41445866
>spartan sentry
no
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>>41445866
https://www.beezcombatsystems.com/BCS-Plate-Carrier-Molle-BCS-PC-M-500.htm
Then $50 for pouches. Surplus Eagle duals and an IFAK
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>>41445897
What's wromg with it?
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>>41445943
>The Lightweight Sentry Plate Carrier available from Spartan Armor Systems is an updated and improved version of Condor Outdoor Products’ classic compact armor plate carrier.
>Company that recommends AR500, cheap batch steel, and Condor
>"Spartan" anything
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>>41445987
Any Plate carriers sub 200 with a kangaroo pouch you can recommend?
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>>41445686
I go backpacking every weekend and used an alice pack for years. if you think an alice pack should even be a consideration at a €150 price point it sounds like you're the one that's never carried a pack.
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>>41446299
You're literally retarded if you think that.
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>>41446321
nice argument. enjoy lugging around your poorfag 1970's trash kid.
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>>41446370
You're a never-served larper. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>41446370
There is no better build for an external frame pack at ~5200cu” than a MALICE frame.
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>>41435097
Rip MARSOC guys selling stolen military gear to ebay for gq anons.
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2019/05/06/north-carolina-raider-theft-rings-marines-stole-tactical-gear-vehicle-parts-flashbang-grenades-and-pawned-off-some-of-the-loot/
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>>41439165
carrier too low.
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>>41441489
Is there anywhere you can buy an M70 Alpenflage Jacket that isn't likely to be worn to hell?
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>>41447481
I spy with my little eye...
Why are you wearing your Marine Corps boots out in public, boot? Disappointed.
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So I picked up these 2 Tyr PC’s last week at a surplus store for $230 total. How’d I do?
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>>41447815
get out
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Are Spiritus Systems's products quality?
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>>41447909
Yes.
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>>41447920
I'm interested in their LV119 because I want something minimalist that can carry at standard sapi plate.
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>>41447959
I don’t personally have the LV119 but I’ve heard good things about it. Personally I chose the Ferro Slickster but they’re pretty comparable products built around a similar design philosophy, you can’t go wrong with either
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>>41447815
Sell me the soft armor one for a reasonable price, rabbi
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>>41447804
How the fuck can you even see that?
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>>41445334
You TACP?
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>>41443739
What knife is that? Also, how did you mount it there?
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>>41448148
4 years of experience. Where are you stationed that you have ranges like that? Arizona?
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>>41447481
>looking down shyly

Focus on the target anon. Not the camera man. Also is it true teh mureens are getting first spear plate carriers?
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>>41448597
Not him, but they aren't getting new flaks.
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>>41448568
On leave.
Central CO.
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>>41448701
Where you stationed at?
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>>41440553
>not using the GOAT front panel setup

esstac kywi flap with bfg ten speed pouches woven on top. Double mag pouch capability for the size/weight of a single row
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>>41449573
>double stacking on your chest
>not even offset
Ew
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Anybody know who sells a sealed bleeding kit that’ll fit in the pouches on an original Haley rig? Haley sold one briefly and I think ITS did too before they changed their kits.
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>>41440535
>I still don't want to buy stolen prop.

Quit being a pussy
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>>41450799
He's right though. It's great because you don't HAVE to put the extra mags in. I have seen a lot of dudes out other smaller items in the front, but the option for more mags is still there.
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>>41451149
Coyote Tactical
What do you have and what do you need? I’ll hook you up.
>>41451461
I prefer having a GP pouch front and center. I know plenty of dudes rocking the BFG up front and I stick it on my M9 aid bag, I’m just not a fan of double stacking out front under any circumstances. That’s what cummerbunds and belts are for.
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>>41451519
agreed. double stacking feels too bulky, i could have up to 7 mags between my cummerbund and front flap. plus mag in the gun and on my belt for 9
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>>41441609
What are those nvg covers?
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What’s the current wait time on a suppressor stamp?
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>>41451519
Just that. Wanting to set up my original Haley rig as a grab and go so I want a basic sealed med kit that’ll fit the pocket. Don’t necessarily need a TQ in the pack. Either of those Coyote refills would be great, I just need to know if they’d fit.
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>>41451519
For civilian use, absolutely, but a lot of mil guys have radios, extra med kits, smokes, frags, flashbangs, etc. on their cummerbunds, and not everyone likes having mags on their belt, so it makes sense for that use. If your front is slick aside from the integral pouches, I don't see the negative to having a ten speed pouch on the front. I have seen demo supplies, pens, notebooks, chemlights, smokes, zip ties, extra TQs, etc. stuffed in them. It's a pretty popular setup for SF guys these days.
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>>41451921
Just message Coyote Tactical and they'll let you know. The Haley rig is pretty common and they probably get that question all the time.

>>41448363
Looks like an ESEE Izula 2. It's probably just corded into MOLLE or velcro'd on between the flaps in his rig.
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>>41451859
Multicam covers/hoods made by Mission Critical Designs
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>>41451921
What’s the scope mount and the optic on that rifle? I can’t find the mount for the life of me.
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>>41441489
>wearing TAZ 57 pack with retarded german yoke instead of mounting it properly to the jacket

wtf bro
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>>41453665
looks like a vortex cantilever ring mount
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>>41453852
nah its not that. The mount is definitely QD and the whole profile is wrong.
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>>41453944
yeah i noticed that after posting, maybe Midwest Industries?
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>>41453665
>>41453852
>>41453944
>>41454099
ADM or GDI
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>>41451218
Morals and things
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>>41446710
>https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2019/05/06/north-carolina-raider-theft-rings-marines-stole-tactical-gear-vehicle-parts-flashbang-grenades-and-pawned-off-some-of-the-loot/

you mean RIP pog faggots
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Will 8 pound plates be to heavy for the slickster?
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>>41455289
8 lb plates are too heavy to begin with
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>>41455366
Seems to be common for level IV budget pl8s
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Hey gear faggots, how do you identify if a helmet is real or not? I found this at a local antique store for 20 bucks, so its worth it either way but it was just marked "us helmet"
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>>41455782
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>>41455782
>>41455786
Stickers inside? Doesn’t look promising.
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>>41443943
>he doesn't have crypto on his GPS
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>>41455896
Nada. How bad is it?
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>>41456301
It’s not good; how heavy is it?
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>>41455782
>>41455786
Bunk BBY is on it but you should be able to tell instantly by weight.
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>>41456431
Bit more than 2 pounds, according to my shitty old scale, sempai.
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>>41456259
How would you do such a thing as a civilian?
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>>41455289
Why are you buying shitty plates? You aren't going to need to use them and if you do need them they will be too heavy to wear for more than 15 minutes. Buy training or other gear.
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>>41456470
I have never even seen a real one, much less held one. Its still a decent display piece for 20 bucks, though.
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>>41456498
post your plates
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>>41456489
Oof, fat feet. Gross. Post burner, let me get you a proper strap. Replace those pads. It’s never a good idea to take layers off but you can find what it’s supposed to look like under the paint. Make sure you paint it over again and pick something cool.
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Anyone have TD Cordell Combat Pants? I'm considering picking one up
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>>41443197
VERY edgy.
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>>41457005
VERY nawsome
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>>41456806
good for when you need to get down and suck dix
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>>41456649
I know, I got big ass gross feet. Its probably a fiberglass replica, but oh well.
I can paint it all edgy afterwards, maybe make a costume with it.
pamozaco@host-info.com
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>>41443197
What a faggot
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>>41450799
I've been fond of you but now you've disappointed me
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>>41456489

Should have bought an HHV helmet. US Dupont Kevlar, transparent about their testing, and affordable.
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>>41443739
What carrier is this
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>>41454110
It's a midwest industries high mount.
You can tell immediately it's MI from the QD levers
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>>41445690
Tyr is generally top tier but that belt blows chunks for lack of rigidity. Almost everything else from them is good stuff.
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>>41435097
discord link appears to be fucked
new one soon?
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>>41459269

No, only the most powerful remain.
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>>41457966
Post dump Ifak
>>41458487
It’s not my preference. Despite >>41451921, I carry 210 rounds, my radio, two smoke, CCP and HLZ markers, two “for you” ifaks, a field expedient monitoring set and my admin stuff for work. I had to be smarter about how I carry everything and I decided on splitting up the mags. That’s all.
I don’t begrudge people who double stack, I don’t think it “won’t let you go prone” or whatever, I’m well aware that almost everyone had done it at some point, I just don’t like it anymore.
I will even go so far as to say, i like the BFG pouch, I just think some of y’all got it twisted.
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>>41457777
QUUUUAAAADS
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>>41447815
Out. Get out.
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For those of you larpers who have NODs, do you keep your dbal mounted on your rifle at all times?
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>>41461236
mount deezbals
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>>41458584
>Should have bought an HHV helmet
you tried
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>>41459756
shut up retard
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tyr tactical is shiny. can't really make it out in the photo. must be their PV nylon material. has a weird gloss to it. not sure if I like it.
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>>41462791
KSGYS, double nigger
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>>41461508
ok, this is a Bruh moment!
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>>41462936
give it some use, and itll fade.
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>>41456259
>crypto
For the super secret GPS signals I need for marking camp sites, trails, water sources and fishing spots? GIB CLEARANCE.
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>>41466522
It’s something
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>>41466759
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>>41466759
>>41466768
You’re a big guy
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>>41466855
4 u
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>>41466759
>>41466768
gross beard
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>>41467206
post gear
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>>41466759
flabby jihadi
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>>41467314
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>>41437229
>just get a
confirmed owns zero gear
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>>41461236
>do you keep your dbal mounted on your rifle at all times?
Yes. Otherwise you need to stow it and possibly forget it somewhere. Just leave it alone. It's critical gear.
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>>41462936
Unironically rub dirt on it.
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>>41448126
Didn't come with soft armor. I saw some in the big pile of pieces and might have been able to fit some in, but didn't bother. Either way, I know ((( I ))) got a smoking deal.
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>>41447832
>>41460872

(((no)))
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>>41436201
this is why we fight

>>41436228
why people do the pvc patch meme

>>41439165
good rig, adjust it a bit for proper plate coverage, but overall noice

>>41441609
the hoodie really ties the woods together

>>41443739
yeet

>>41443846
depends on your mission

>>41447804
uh what, you cant tell off that, and even so how does that mean hes a marin lmao

>>41455325
i like this, but the buckle makes me re

>>41466768
ahhh shit patch gang
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>>41466759

you're such a huge faggot lmao
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>>41441609
Fordomte fjeldabe!
Is it a templars gear cpc roc carrier you're wearing?
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>>41441609
>>41468467
Nevermind. I only noticed >>41445626 just now.
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>>41445848
>eagle is airsoft tier gear
Eagle is good stuff.
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>>41446502
Is the MALICE any taller than the ALICE? The ALICE frame is made for manlets.
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>>41468611
A little. It’s also lighter and welded together instead of riveted. I’m 6’ king of manlets and it fits me fine.
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>>41468666
I am 6'3" and the old ALICE frame always tormented me because I loved the design but it was nothing but extra weight because I had to leave the belt undone, lest it compress my spine. I would probably have liked a solid four inches more height than the old ALICE delivered.
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>>41468389
post gear
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>>41466759
I haven't posted in these threads in a few years. Nice to see your fatass is still taking bathroom pics. Looks like you had to downgrade the poop room though. Shame. Pube beard must be facing g some hard times.
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>>41469669
>>41468389
imagine liking cock this much
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>>41469900
You don't love pube beard? For shame.
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>>41470687
its fine. just dont like people being cunts
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>>41467622
post gear
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>>41471516
that the jpc bund?
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>>41471548
yes the new stretch one. highly recommend. also have the avs harness under it that i can attach side plates and route my radio wires through
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what plate carrier would you guys recommend for someone who has no gear, and has no opportunity to finger fuck or try any on?
basically larping, AR, glock. i figure why not have one?
bad time to ask this, will probably repost on new bread
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>>41471588
Mayflower APC
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>>41469669
I'm just washing the shower curtain
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>>41471588
AWS OCPC is a good start. If you are in a hot weather area then I recommend a vented mesh carrier, but they cost a bit more. If you do not make use of the full feature cummerbund from AWS then they do have a skeletonized cummerbund that helps to vent a lot.
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>>41471588
Budget, load, etc?
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>>41471676
>>41471655
funny enough, these are the 2 im looking at
>>41471721
i dunno,$500 or so? i dont want to buy garbage.
just AR mags and 9mm glock mags, ifak...
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>>41472136
was also looking at a crye carrier, but it seemed to be a bit light for what (i think) i should be looking for
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>>41468698
The Alice was designed to let you wear a buttpack and your ruck at the same time
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>>41472212
If you're only carrying 3-6 AR mags the JPC is fine. As for the glock mags, they're better off on your belt.
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