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I'm seeing these drop in price all over recently. Makes me wonder if I should buy one or wait and see if walther is about do drop something that competes with the p365.
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This is my thread!
It was made for me!
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>>41194758
>no wood on the p88

bort pls
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>>41194797
>looks at pic for 2 seconds longer
boy do i feel dumb now lol
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anyone ever launch a base plate into three stratosphere resembling a magazine? searched every square inch of my room and the fucker is nowhere to be found
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>>41194807
I was going shooting tomorrow too
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>>41194807
I smacked myself in the face with one while disassembling but I was able to find it. So I feel ya kinda.
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>>41194758
Go find Ernie! Having things I cant afford mkaes them gay as aids!
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>>41194797
Nills stopped making P88 grips years ago.

I begged and pleaded, I even offered to buy a lot of 150 pairs, but they wouldn't restart production. rip my life

The ONLY option is grips4u, and I tried them once, they don't fit and the edges don't line up with my P88's frame.

>>41194807
I put a hole in a monitor with a hammer spring once and lost dozens of little springs and detents, but mag springs are easier to keep hold of.

What is that, a Promag? Did yourself a favor you did anon.
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>>41194758
What's your favorite Walther? Just got a PPS and thinking about next striker fired gun being a PPQ.
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buying first handgun soon, going to conceal it. what kinda of grips are recommended or is it preference? wood? rubber? micarta?
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>>41195270
depends on what you buy
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>>41195316
gonna be a cz 75c
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>>41194807
I've never lost a baseplate but there's probably $500-1000 worth of springs, detents, and other small parts hiding in corners in my workshop
>including now 3 fucking lifter arm springs for CZs from just this last week
I also shot a 1911 firing pin into a drop-ceiling tile hard enough it stayed stuck up there until I found a stepstool to pull it out.
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>>41195357
wood for sure
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>>41195357
Get either G10 or aluminum thin grips.
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>>41194758
Burt ur shit
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>>41195665
>>41195671
fuck, should have also mentioned that its really hot and really humid where i live most of the time, so i guess either wood or g10, aluminum sounds slippery when combined with my swamp ass sweat
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>>41195736
G10 for sure then. Wood will soak up all your swamp-ass and, depending on model, either fuck your finish or just straight up rust. Take a look at LOKgrips.
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>>41195357
Wood is ok but prone to splitting and doesn't always play well with chemicals depending on the sealant used. Rubber is usually the most comfy, but if its too thick/squishy it can give the gun a weird feel under recoil that's hard to explain(maybe its just me), and it likes to "grab" clothing sometimes, which can increase the risk of showing when moving around a lot. Personally i think that aggressively checkered G10 is the way to go, it can poke you a little bit if you go real aggressive though so keep that in mind. It's largely impervious to cleaning chemicals, very robust, takes to aggressive checking better than wood, and is available in lots of designs/colors. The operator 2s i put on my 1911 are my favorite aftermarket grips i've tried by far. As a special concern for CZs, make sure you get something with a good factory esq palm swell to it, a surprising amount of the "made for your hand" feel of CZ 75s comes from the extremely well profiled grip panels as opposed to the grip itself.2
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>>41195760
i'll definitely look into grip panel shape, it will probably be best to just wait and see how the stock panels feel and look for that same profile or one that i think i will like in g10 from there
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>>41195357
>>41195756
Seconding LOK. Tried some VZ grips first, but they didn't fit perfectly and flexed enough that you could hear it. Tried thin checkered grips from LOK instead and they were perfect.
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Fuck man. I hate I love handguns so much.
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>>41194758
bērt what side of the coming racewar are you on?
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>fully precocked strikers

Yikes
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>>41194680
PPS M2 master race. I love mine and got it for like $330 with the 6 7 and 8 round mag. Has eaten anything I've put in it except aluminum cased garbage. Otherwise 2k rounds through it just fine. I've carried it for a year and highly recommend it.

Best,
Lilly
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>>41195944
L O N D O N
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Waiting on GG trigger
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>>41195951
Why is that still a thing? Is Tiny even alive anymore?
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>>41194680
Is that rust on the retaining pin?
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>>41195944
What holster do you use?
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>>41195944
>signing your internet posts
Is this the rare boomergirl?
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>>41195989
Ive been purse carrying condition 2 because for the life of me I have yet to find a holster I like. My dad has one and he uses the basic Uncle Mike's and it's okay but not good enough for me to get one.
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>>41195944
marry me, what's your email?
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I want to get a beretta 92a1 compact, Canadian so not for CC (legally) any complaints on t or mods I should do to it? Maybe just the 92fs compact for aesthetics but I want a light on it
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What's a good deal on a HK P30 and P30L these days? Specifically, I'm looking to buy one in 9mm with DA/SA, safety optional, for my first handgun when I turn 21 next month. I've tried gun.deals but the cheapest I saw was $540 but I hear people saying that they've been getting them for $500. Is there any place where this is true or am I just going to have to wait for a sale on them?
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>>41196020
My sister likes a belly band for her glock 42.
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>>41195944
ok tranny
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I'm taking a shit
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>>41194758
Gib SW99 .45.
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>>41195760
Another negative to rubber, particularly the factory rubber, is they're flexible enough you can squish them in to the point they impinge on the mag. And they don't generally flex back out afterwards, so you're stuck either with mags that don't drop free unless full or near-full, or shaving the back of the grip to restore the mag dropping free.

>>41195828
Factory palmswell is max comfy but adds significantly to the width of the gun. Great for range, not so great for carry or competition. There's a reason CZ decided to go ahead and adopt the ultrathin aluminum grips as a factory option for their competition guns.
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>>41195183
P99 (AS)

>>41195270
Whatever the gun has on it, until you know if you even wanna change them. imo the factory rubber grips on CZ75s are the absolute best, but they're not very spiffy.

>>41195853
Yes

>>41195979
All guns do that, spring pins are made from carbon steel, they always rust.

>>41196054
Having just bought one, I'd say skip the Compact and get a reggo sized 92FS. The grip is more comfy and if you're not carrying there's no real reason to get a Compact. But the proportions do look neat.
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>>41196316
Well, I will be OWB carry it on the farm, cops don’t come out here. I guess it won’t matter it’s full size or compact then if it’s outside the waist
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>>41196316
>P99 (AS)
redpill me
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Almost bought HK45 today but my good Christian side told me to pay off usurious jews and cut all ties to them instead. I'm $1400 lighter than when I woke up but no more debt. HK45 next month, maybe.
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>>41196316
>p99as
That is the correct answer
>>41196356
Criminally underrated and overlooked striker handgun. Fires DA/SA. P99 was the first pistol to have interchangeable backstraps in the box
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>>41196389
Good work anon, debt sucks. The world is full of guns, but owing nothing to anybody is precious.
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>>41196316
>All guns do that, spring pins are made from carbon steel, they always rust.
How hard is it to apply a drop of oil on parts like that?
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>>41196389
Good job dude, btw the HK45 trigger is unironically bad. Get a USP and save yourself the trouble.
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Can I get some tips for concealed carry? Gonna take a class and hopefully get my license in the next month or so and want to start carrying. Anything you guys wish you knew before you started?
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>>41196805
mexican style, condition zero
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>>41196340
My main gripe with the 92 Compact is that the front of the grip swells out at the bottom just like the full size. But where the full size does that below your pinky which doesn't affect your grip, the Compact does it right under your pinky which makes the grip (imo) less comfortable.

tl;dr there's a little bump under the pinky area

>>41196389
I love hearing that! Good job dude, you did the right thing

>>41196356
A little slippery, a little extra recoil but otherwise a truly excellent handgun.

>>41196553
Easy obviously, but also obviously something that pretty much everyone neglects to do.

I've never put a drop of oil on those type of spring pins and I know about them rusting. I just clean them when they do. Which doesn't happen often (here in Oregon anyway).
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>>41196870
lol what's the deal with the grips on the compact?
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Alright, lads, i need your help on this one. The only handgun experience i have is with my 686, and i need a carry gun. Until now i had i backpack carried during summer and carried my 686 owb on winter and fall, but i really feel like i need something compact to carry iwb now. Strongly leaning towards the usp9c, but will take any other suggestions.
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>>41196884
They were white, now they're period blood red.

I keep trying to get them darker, boiled them in dye for another 2 hours today, but I don't know how many days I want to boil them for. I just bought another set of Wilson grips, fuggit.
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Should I buy a CZ P10, a Walther PPQ or an HK VP9?
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>>41196937
Both the PPQ and the P10. Fuck the VP-series with a rake.
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>which one?
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What DA/SA gun has the best (stock) trigger?
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>>41196954
literally pick a sig
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>>41196952
5059 looks the least ugly imo and probably has the most versatile barrel length
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>>41196954
tanfoglio stock 2, cz shadow 2
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>>41196937
P10C would be my pick, cheapest of the three and since the PPQ now uses a safety compliance part in the single action lever the P10C also has the best trigger on average.

>>41196954
In my experience, Walther P99 has the best (only?) DA/SA striker trigger period but has some faults, Grand Power K100 best hammer fired for current production. Beretta 92 family is really really good too, moreso if you put in a lighter hammer spring. And so is the Sig P22X series, especially with the short reset kit.

imo Grand Power is better though.

I don't own a Shadow 2 or Stock 2 but from what I can see in videos they have EXTREMELY good smooth DAs and generally short resets, but have slightly creepy breaks kind of like a Sig. So judging just based on video trigger pulls I wouldn't say those are the best. But they're very very good. I just mention them here because I haven't shot them to compare directly to the K100 and P99.

>>41196952
Anon,

BIG

iron.
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>>41196954
I'd say p99
I have a p99c for CC and it has a great trigger and a stupid short reset.
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>>41194758
Your PPQ looks like M1. Prefer M2. nice collection.
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Should I just buy a Glock 40 MOS & unpowered optic as my one & only firearm while in the wilderness of the Pacific Northwest?
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>>41197400
No, the fiber optic RMR model is a meme. Manual adjust is the way to go.
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Don't @ me
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Are you fuckers ready for the Mini Toblerone?
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>>41197587
Strangely aroused and hungry
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>>41196952
Don't get the 7rd GP100s, they have problems with some ammo not fitting correctly.
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>>41196950
What's the matter with the VP series?
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>>41196895
Since you only have revolver experience, have you considered a J-frame?
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>>41197587
Dear Beretta...Plz stop with the slide serrations. Plz. I beg of thee
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>>41195997
No, it's the common attention whoring tranny.
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>>41197772
Looks great
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>>41194758
>try the Walther!
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>>41197587
Is it bad that I like the Beretta Toblerone?
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>>41197587
I wanted one until I saw the video reviews about the trigger, holy shit what were they thinking.

The size is perfect
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Bonjour!
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>>41197961
>be you
>base your tastes on the opinions of others
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>>41197400
>>41197500
Back to back double zeroes make it seem like maybe G40 is good idea after all only with optimal sight.
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>>41197782
No. It looks like someone or something bit the slide. It's ugly. It's my only gripe with the APX too
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>>41198077
N-no, you!
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>>41196822
I unironically did this for my first 6 months of CCing until I dropped it in front of someone while I was bending over
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>>41197587
Hm, chibi APX.
Add that to the chibi PX4 Subcompact, chibi 8000 compact and chibi 9000s

Beretta likes them short and thicc

>>41197239
I love the old M1s, paddle release is so great I wish more companies would do it! It's a shame the Q5 Steel Frame is M2 only.

>>41197980
What is that, some kind of plastic 1935S?
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>>41198065
G40 is good in general, it's just that the manual adjust RMR leaves the other models in the dust as far as carry/hunting use optics go. Trust me, i poorfag'd out and got one of the gen 1 auto adjust models on the cheap without doing any due diligence because "lmao its an RMR anyways and who wants to have to click buttons to make your dot show up when shits going down". Thing is that the gen 1s have dot flicker issues(since fixed with a tape shim) and that both the auto adjust and ambient light RMRs(along with practically every other auto adjust optic regardless of brand) simply aren't good at getting the right brightness in a reliable fashion. The idea in general has a core issue with current designs, they universally base their brightness off of ambient light AT the optic, not at the target. The RMRs in specific have light sensors pointed perpendicularly to your point of aim, located in the side of the optic body. This means that shooting from dark areas to light areas, whether its from a tree stand to a field being lit up by the morning sunrise, or behind your WML to an area lit up by your WML, will frequently result in a hard or even impossible to find dot. Manual adjust RMRs are currently top tier, but frankly if you aren't overly concerned with drop resistance/durability then the current DP, vortex, and holosun offerings should be fine as long as they have a manual adjust mode. Can always resell it later if you wanna go full gucci mane.
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L O N G B O I
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whats a ruger mk1 worth
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>>41195944
Post your dick
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>>41198900
bout tree fitty
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>>41198123
While it has the APX slide serrations and other improvements, it's really just a rebadged Nano.
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>>41198716
nibba that's a stendo
longboi be all long on da fron ya kno
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Anyone have an lcrx ? I like the looks for an iwb and fanny pack carry revolver. I like the idea of wadcutters in it.
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>>41199639
If I'm going with something that size I would rather have an SP101. I don't mind the extra weight and they handle .357 better.
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>>41199674
>If I'm going with something that size I would rather have an SP101. I don't mind the extra weight and they handle .357 better.


I dont know how much worse the extra weight would be. But 16 ounces is really cool and light.

I dont want to shoot 357. I am not going to fool myself pretending like I'm a good shot with handguns, only interested in light 38 loads.

The sp01 is a gorgeous gun though but Its only about 3 ounces lighter I think than a gun I have experience with carrying and I think is relatively heavy (uspc).

I dont know that the extra barrel length will effect concealability much. Surely not in iwb, but maybe in fanny pack or pocket carry.
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>>41199693
>only interested in light 38 loads
I should also mention that the sp101 makes shooting .38+p feel like nothing. You will feel that more on the LCR too. I still like LCRs but you just have to ask yourself if you are more concerned about weight or recoil management.
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>>41199708
Dunno. Probably weight since I'm planning on shooting wadcutters out of it. I really like the idea of wadcutters honestly.

I just dont know how a sp101 would feel on a fanny pack or in pocket carry. Afraid it might be too heavy. Ive never owned a non 22 revolver either.

One thing I will say though that makes me a bit apprehensive seeing is that the LCR and lcrx require scrrews to be tightened and maintained and also disassembly every 1k rounds to lube the trigger pivot pin. Also the transfer bar rattle.

I dont know if that's a thing with all revolvers or not but that is a bit odd to me
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>>41197980
Ayyyyyyyy
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>>41199721
>wadcutters
Use these
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>>41199791

Are they really that much better? I am a bit tired of getting jewed by ammo mfgs.

Even though I dont agree with a lot of what he said Paul Harrell's video on hyper ammo kind of got me thinking. I'm the guy who doesnt even practice with that expensive ammo I put in my defense gun.
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>>41199805
I don't think you can do any better with .38 out of a short barrel. I like remington golden saber .38+p hollow point as well. Usually keep then in a speed strip since they are easier to reload than wadcutters quickly.

You don't need to practice a ton with your defense ammo. Just shoot a box each range trip and use regular, cheaper .38 for target practice.
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>>41199911
I'm interested in adjustable sight lcrx so I would want to be sure my defense ammo is sighted properly. I dont want a situation like with my critical defense for my semi auto where I shot like 5 rounds and never bought another box because price.
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>>41200108
Price of ammo should not be a consideration if you are serious about using a firearm for self defense. Buy in bulk online to save money.
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>>41200122
I feel like being able to shoot cheaper ammo more might offset whatever ballistic advantage you give up with cheaper ammo

I dont know, I need to do more research. I'm just not 100 percent convinced on super expensive premium ammo yet.
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>>41200133
Like I said, practice all you want with cheap ammo and only shoot one box of defensive ammo for your carry gun per range trip. It's not all that expensive.
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>>41200306
Yeah but there is something to be said for practicing with exactly what you shoot. Another thing i watched and saw that wadcutters look like they shoot real high

Either way if I carry a revolver 99 percent it will be wadcutters or something like what you linked. Leaning towards normal wadcutters though

If I had reloading equipment I'd probably just reload my own
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>>41200347
>Yeah but there is something to be said for practicing with exactly what you shoot
And what would that "something" be?
>muh zero
Generally irrelevant with pistols and pistol ammo, at any range you can reasonably expect to hit things consistently with ANY ammo (</=50m), most ammo will shoot to the same or a close-enough POI for practice.
>muh recoil
Don't shoot powderpuff reloads and there will be a negligible difference in felt recoil between practice ammo and carry ammo.
>muh ?????????
Really sounds like you're buying into fuddlore or youtubers that are trying to sell you something and/or run you broke for no benefit.
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>>41200347
You should take a look at this

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/revolver-ballistics-test/
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>>41200388
>thar something

Knowing exact POI and knowing the exact feel of the round

>irrelevant

Just like how you dont have to aim a shotgun right?

>fuddlore
>trying to sell me something

Oh god theyre trying to sell me far cheaper ancient tech target ammo! Those greedy bastards!

>namefags
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>>41200406
You can know the exact feel of the round and the exact POI after a couple boxes total, you don't need to shoot hundreds of them
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>>41200405
There acceptable. They only tested one wadcutter load that I saw (normal) and expansion non existent. Figured that. Penetration is fine though.

The winchester super x semi wad HP out of a 4 inch barrel looks pretty good.

Lucky gunners video on wadcutters and a few others made me want to carry them in the first place.
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>waiting for HK to make the P30L and USP Expert again
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>>41200455
What brand ammo do you have in mind?
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>>41197961
Caring what other people think is bigly gay.
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>>41197400
A friend has a g40 with duel illumination rmr. It's nice. Only downside is the red dot doesn't work at night when you use a weapon light. Have to remember to go to irons at night.
But it's a great gun. Took it out to 300 yards a few weeks ago on my third shot. He has the triangle reticle.
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>>41200473
Honestly dont rightly know. Hadn't given brand or particulars much of a thought, as mentioned earlier I haven't even decided on a revolver yet.

I assumed most the wadcutters rounds would be the same. I had looked up a couple a while ago and saw one that had decent velocity and seemed good to me but can't recall what it was.

>>41200418
Maybe, but like I said, I want adjustable sights ideally, if I adjust sights fot something that hits very high shooting other things will become irritating.
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Recently got a shoot me first vest and I want a small, dedicated, 22 to keep in one of the pockets. Walther ppk 22? Or something else? I'm not above wheel guns. I have a bicentennial ruger standard that I love, but it's too big for the vest. My edc gun is a G41 so I'm just looking for a .22 as a daily plinker or to calm my paranoia.
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>>41200492
>my "friend" is willing to put batteries in one part of his gun but not the other
It's okay Anon, you're not the only room temperature IQ in this thread.
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>>41200464
I have an Expert, it's so fucking nice.
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>>41200473
>>41200521
Just rewatched the lucky gunner video on wadcutters and it was there they measured velocity.

The Winchester had the highest at around 700 fps , and in their gel test got 15 inches or so, that's more than enough. The weakest got 550 I think, and the others were mostly 650 range.


Seems like any of those will be fine. except maybe the fiocchi below 600.
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>>41200532
Because rezeroing a gun when you have to remove the red dot isn't fun. Especially if you're traveling or innawoods when the battery goes down.

It's okay, anon. I know not everyone stays inside their moms basement and has the time to rezero when they change a battery.
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Is a ruger lcr in .22 an adequate choice for ccw? I want to get something for me wife that is dead simple to operate, easy recoiling, and small/light. I know .22 isn't optimal but it makes me feel better than a larger gun she may not carry or practice with as much
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>>41200922
Get a Beretta Bobcat or Tomcat in .32acp or see if you can find a Jetfire in .25acp

Don't use .22lr for self defense. Ballistics aside, you don't want to be relying on a rimfire cartridge. You just don't
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>>41200968
In all honesty, you want to avoid .25 and .32

There's plenty of soft shooting .380's and even 9's. The walther PPS is pretty easy to shoot considering it's size.
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>>41200968
I guess the only reason I considered it is because in a revolver you can just pull the trigger again
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>>41200985
Yes , a .22 revolver is a much better than choice than a semi auto in that respect.

At the very least though, it seems like you're already having doubts, as well you should. You'll never feel comfortable with the decision.

.22 is good for rabbits and squirrels, not putting down rapists and muggers. That's just how it is
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>>41200968
I'd unironically trust .22lr with a premium round over .25acp with a premium round.

But yes, .32acp is a hell of a step up from either and there's plenty of good guns in it.
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>>41201016
>.22 over .25
Genuinely curious, why?
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>>41200797
>zeroing in your basement
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>>41201012
Well obviously it's not the gun I would choose, but again I'd feel the most safe if whatever gun I get her will not make her hate practicing or carrying.
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>>41201020
Better penetration, slightly better terminal performance even when compared to .25acp JHPs.

Premium .22lr has good enough reliability that, coupled with a gun with second-strike or auto-advance (either a hammer-fired DA/SA or a wheelgun) it would probably be more likely to actually go off than 95-99% of subcompact .25acp autos on the market. The tip-up Berettas are far from perfectly reliable and they're pretty much the creme de la creme of .25acp guns.

I'd still much rather have a .32acp or one of its derivatives if I were to carry a mousegun in a mousegun caliber.
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If I have a glock 19 for carry, and would like to keep it (rather than trade for a 17 or 19x) is using glock 17 mags with the xgrip sleeve retarded? More rounds, and more grip space. Not sure if anyone has had issues with mags getting stuck or other reload problems though. Any thoughts?
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>>41201155
The main point of the glock 19 is that the grip is shorter, not the slide. That is the part that is harder to conceal so I think extended mags for carry is a silly idea but it does work.
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>>41201130
>>41201020
Damn I forgot the most important factor
>there are modern offerings in .22lr that have good ergos and GOOD SIGHTS
There really aren't for .25acp guns. While there's plenty still in production, they're either legacy models (like the Jetfire, which hasn't been updated since the early 80s) or SNSes that emulate older designs for aesthetics or because they use legacy tooling (like the Bryco/Jennings which are pseudo-clones of the baby Browning from the 30s and share all the same poor feature sets like vestigial sights while having even worse triggers and nonexistent quality).

A .22lr Ruger LCR is infinitely easier to actually fucking hit what you're shooting at with while still being tiny, then you have things like the Walther P22 or Ruger SR22 that are significantly larger but are extremely easy to handle and simply don't have a similarly sized gun available in .25acp.
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>>41200922
If recoil was a concern, I'd get the M&P 380 EZ before anything rimfire.
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>>41201020
To touch a bit more on my claim of "slightly better terminal performance"
>.22lr 36gr CCI Minimag HP
In calibrated gel it achieves 10.5" average penetration, 9" minimum penetration, and an expanded diameter of around .31" average from a 1.87" barrel (LCR .22) (MV ~850fps)
>alternatively, .22lr 36gr CCI Minimag HP from 3.5" barrel (SR22)
In calibrated gel achieves 13" average penetration, 11.75" minimum penetration, and an expanded diameter of .40" (MV ~1000fps)
>.25acp S&B 50gr FMJ
In calibrated gel it achieves 12.5" average penetration, 8" minimum penetration, and an expanded diameter of "it doesn't" so .25" from a 2.36" barrel (Beretta Jetfire) (MV ~760fps)
>.25acp Speer 35gr GDHP
In calibrated gel it achieves 8" average penetration, 3" minimum penetration, and an expanded diameter of .37" from a 2.36" barrel (MV ~880fps)

So now it's up to the user to decide whether penetration or expansion matter more since only the FMJ load in .25acp meets FBI penetration requirements from a really short barrel. Personally, I would consider 10"+ of penetration perfectly adequate for a mousegun, even though in a larger pistol I'd want to meet that 12" threshold (which the Minimags do, through the SR22 and presumably other similarly sized .22's like the Beretta 87, LCRx, Walther P22, etc).

And that's all the direct comparison I can find. I tried to find the 4-layer denim test for all 4, but the .25acp had wildly conflicting results with both loads and I don't know whether that's a fuckup on the tester or whether that's indicative of wildly differing performance lot to lot with the ammo. Either way, does not instill confidence in .25acp.

Both rounds will not reliably penetrate large bones such as the humerus or scapula, and both rounds will routinely deflect off smaller bones such as the sternum or ribs.

The tl;dr is
>.22lr penetrates deeper from shorter barrels while still offering some expansion
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My dumb cousin works in CZ Uherský Brod all employees have 30% off on all guns. That retard don't have gun license so he can't buy anything for me.
Fml
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Does a ruger vaquero in .45lc count as big iron? Is a certain barrel length a prerequisite?
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>>41201515
6"+, although the caliber would count.
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Local pond store pick up, 329 out the door how do I do?
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>>41201635
Brand new, bretty gud.
Used, you got jewed.
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>>41201824
you just gonna leave us hangin'?
what'd ya buy laddie?
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>>41201863
.40. 280 $. Finally I can stop lusting over a rotary barrel. Almost bought a px4 FS for 350 at bass pro glad it didnt work out. I prefer all metal.
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>>41201946
Aren't stoegers like that one just rebranded Berettas? Would be a good deal if so.
Either way that's a pretty nifty gun for the price being metal frame and all.
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Oops forgot to post this. Maybe it still works.
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>>41198123
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_Mle_1950

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URYp_TCS5Hw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m16n4Q4cQlg

Here you go Fren :)

>>41199781
Hi Fren!
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>>41201999
Yeah. According to Burt they even have berretta waranty. The only thing that makes me sad is I didn't find out how cheap they are sooner.
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>be big guy moving from big city to pic related
>cannot choose between 4.2" & 6" gp-100 for 24/7 field gun
Halp.
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>>41194758
I just realized I am Bizarro Burt, I own guns from every major gun mfg except Walther. Weird.
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Hey Burt, if you're still around here.

How do Walther's handle +P ammo? The manuals appear to advise against using it, usually saying "over pressure ammo will decrease service life" or whatever.
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>>41203220
Get the match champion with the dovetail rear sight. Excellent trigger, 4.2" has better balance, and the dovetail sight is much more durable than the adjustable for field use.
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>>41203413
>tfw no 7-round match champion 4.2" or 5" gp100 with fixed sights
Gemini Custom?
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Glock 43 with mag extensions, or Glock 43x? Both seem to be roughly the same size with the extensions.
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>>41203746
I don't get the point of the G43x. The grip is just as long as a G19 so why not take a G19 and get 5 extra rounds? The 43x takes a pocket carry run and removes the potential for pocket carry.
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>>41203886
Is the grip length the same as g19? It doesn't seem so to me. It feels like an in-between grip. It's like an upgrade to the 43 for those wanting a slim pistol with more capacity
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>>41204018
It's the same length
The 43x/48 mags are the 10 round G19 mags with the extra side wall material removed
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>>41204018
I can't imagine the width of a gun being harder to conceal than length of the grip for anyone and I'm really skinny myself. Why not a glock 26? To me it just seems like the 43x fills a niche that isn't needed.
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>>41203393
The manual knows better than me that's for sure.

Usually that language means "yeah go ahead and use 50 rounds for self defense training every few months but don't shoot crates of it." Polymer guns tend to be more forgiving of overpressure ammo than metal frame guns. If a gun really can't handle it they'll tell you "DO NOT EVEN WRONGTHINK ABOUT USING DOUBLE PLUS P, PROLE."

>>41203746
The 43 has actual utility as a tiny gun, the 43X doesn't. If you can get 90% of what a 43X offers by putting an extendo on a 43 then that makes way more sense imo.

Side bonus: the 43 doesn't have that little finger groove toe at the base of the grip that many subcompacts have, so by putting on an extension you have an unbroken grip just like a 43X. There is no downside in terms of ergonomics.

>>41203280
Man, I can't even imagine. You're gonna get some Walthers right? I saw a P5 on waltherforums for $650 the other day!
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>>41204033
Interesting, I could have sworn it was different! Considering it's a slim-line pistol, think the choice of the 43x over a 43 would be worth it? If not, what would you recommend? Considered the G26, but feels wide to me
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>>41194680
What do you guys think of the Vickers tactical upgrades for Glocks?
I'm thinking about purchasing them, rn my Glock 26 is stock.
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>>41204109
you could get a p365


*hides*
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>>41204181
No, Burt, I will get a 43x so you will have nightmares on the strange people who carry them
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>>41201491
Good. Leeches don’t deserve a CZ.
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>>41204109
if you want a subcompact single stack 9mm go with the shield 2.0 walther pps m2 or glock 43

i would also avoid the 43x for the reasons previously stated
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So I've been using an M&P 45 "midsize" for my main side arm on my battle belt. I just got a g19, and decided to try the blackhawk serpa holster I have rigged up on my belt. Inb4 shitty holster. It fits, not only that but it fits like a charm. I'm not going to run into any problems using this holster meant for the M&P am I?
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Who is going to get one?
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>>41204234
Not me.

Shit's gay.
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>>41204234
literally no one
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>>41200406
>Knowing exact POI and knowing the exact feel of the round
oof. How much do you shoot, my man? Do you really expect me to believe that when the shot timer comes out that the 1" shift in POI at 15yrds over a similar cheap ass bulk round is going to be noticeable when doing any realistic drills? Worrying about change in POI/recoil feel between relatively similar ammo(similar weight/velocity) is a meme, unless you're a fucking robot or doing supported slow fire at 25yrds you simply aren't going to have a noticeable difference.
>>41200455
>>41200589
Don't trust clear gel tests. They aren't representative of real gel results, which are already barely representative of real world soft tissue performance. They can exaggerate penetration by as much as 30% with some loads(ex .380 ones)
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>>41204253
do you have any idea how many people suck rugers dick?
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>>41204274
Yeah I know. Lucky gunner even mentions that, that clear gel isnt perfect. But compare the wadcutters penetration to known good loads. Its comparable. The only thing you lose is expansion, but you gain amazing shootability, low recoil and less noise.
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>>41204089
I'm not sure there's a Walther that tickles my fancy, maybe that weird 22 rifle?
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>>41204278
Unfortunately.
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>>41204326
It's not like they make bad guns they just aren't always pretty. They are cheap and reliable.
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>>41204086
>>41204089
To me, the point of the 48/43x is basically having a gun the size of a 19 but lighter weight and more comfortable to conceal but not more concealable

I don't own one and I don't plan to own one. I think the shield 2.0 makes more sense

>>41204109
I like the 26 but if someone made me choose between the 43x and 43 I'm not sure. I'd probably go for a 43 with +1 extensions because I value concealability and comfort over an extra 3 rounds but I'd be happy with the 43x as well.

>>41204156
Which ones

The things I feel the 26 needs are:
>Sights
>Grip plug

Other than that I'm not sure. For the gen 3 I think stippling makes a huge difference too.
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>"In half a mile use the left two lanes to turn on to Martin Luther king Jr. Blvd"
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Don't forget to clean your guns after range days, anons. Also, treat yourself to a fine adult beverage to wind down after a long day.
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>>41204649
oh wow you drink alcohol? thats so kewl!!!
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>>41204323
There's definitely one of those, pic related.

Apart from the G22, Walther I think only made high end target rifles; the KK family. I don't count the shitbox MP5/416/G36 clones made by Umarex.

>>41204229
Can you shove anything into the trigger guard with the gun holstered? Does any part of the holster brush against the trigger when holstering? Does the gun fall out if turned upside down in the holster? If not it's fine.

>>41204370
>the point of the 48/43x is basically having a gun the size of a 19 but lighter weight and more comfortable to conceal but not more concealable
Right but the regular 43, with a +magazine extension is literally that. But it can also be reduced to flush for better concealment when needed. The 43 is both. The 43X is only one.

Guh, I'm arguing for glocc here wtf.
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>>41204780
No one worth mentioning cares if it makes you look cool. They only care if it's strong and how it tastes with some cool water louched in?
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>>41204558
That looks like when people put machinegun optics on rifles for a goof.

>>41204649
How is that A1 gray but not black and not Inox? Did you paint it?
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>>41194807
This is a trick I learned from a gunsmith, when disassembling or reassembling anything under spring pressure, do it with a plastic bag as a backstop. Anything from a quart sized ziploc to a Hefty trash bag, depending on the scale. It works. My second piece of advice is to immediately order a replacement part. You won't find the part you lost until you've received a replacement, that shit has happened to me multiple times with detents, springs, and the like.
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>>41194838
Armorers/gunsmiths aren't fucking around when they say that eye pro is just as important when going beyond basic field stripping as it is when you are shooting.
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>>41204804
>no one cares if it makes you look cool

Yeah thats why he posed it in his pic. Totally doesnt care.
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>>41204820
>How is that A1 gray but not black and not Inox? Did you paint it?
It's Inox finished, it's just the lighting in my living room making it look kind of matte-ish
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>>41204558
Fucking why
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>>41204780
>>41204847
Are you offended by a picture of a bottle of bourbon or what? Drink a fuckin' juice box or a bottle of bleach for all I care
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>>41194680
All wise and knowing /hg/, I pose a question.
I'm moving into a large city for uni. My only handgats are a P365 and a 1911. I'm thinking of getting a used 9mm UPSC for 550. I like my 365 but I can conceal a full sized under a windbreaker easy and would like something a little larger. Am I fucking up on thinking this?
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>>41204987
>namefag drinking the inebriating jew

You all are like women but instead of their faces you compulsively have to show everyone how cool you are for drinking alcohol. Right next to keyboard fags.
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>>41205033
This guy is angered by alcohol and has never owned a nice keyboard. HA
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My first gun did I do ok
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>>41205143
lol no
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>>41205024
The P365 hold 12 rounds with a little extendo and the USPc holds 13 with a full sized grip. So what are you gaining from such a bulky gun which doesn't even have the recoil reduction assembly of the full size USP?

Seems like a waste. Might be a better idea to get something of similar size to the USPc but which holds 15-16 rounds, like a P99 or P10C or M&P M2.0 Compact. At least then you're getting 3-4 extra rounds and some reduction of recoil in exchange for the extra bulk over the P365, hey?

>>41205143
JESUS CHRIST BE CAREFUL
SET IT DOWN GENTLY
PRECIOUS PRECIOUS
COLLECTORS GUN
DO NOT DRY FIRE
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>>41205143
depends, did you pay more than $800 for it?
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>>41205201
Makes sense. Lately I've been so bored I just Mexican carry my 1911 out in town.
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Thought on the naa guardian. 380? I want a classy stainless pocket gun that will actually kill someone. Reviews say it shoots nicely and seems really well built
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>>41196937
i bought a vp9 mainly because /k/ hates it so much
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>>41205201
Bort do you even have a p365?
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>>41205693
Based
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New acquisition. Just purchased the modern weapon system's spring and extended firing pin kit for it.
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Does anyone have the "Grip Zone" edit? I lost the one I had.
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>>41205721

Also, traded an FNS 9C and $300 for it.
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>>41205696
Nope, they never gave me one can you believe it?

>>41205721
Cool
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>>41205693
I hope you get a paper cut between your toes
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>>41205721

Overpriced CZ 75. Shoulds just got a P-01 and used the extra money to get some Cajun Gun Works parts.
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>>41204370
Well all of the Vickers Tactical upgrades.
https://tangodown.com/products/items-for-glock/glock-gen3/glock-gen3-26/
I do also want to get a grip plug and Heinie Straight Eight night sights which are tritium.
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I want a wonder nine and can't decide which one. Recently shot the CZ 75 and M9A3, shot the CZ better, but the M9A3 fit better and had a smoother trigger. Thoughts?
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>>41207001
How much do you like sucking dick?
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>>41206027
>cope
I can't believe people actually make posts like this. Do you have any shame or embarrassment, do you have to try to bring down things out of your reach instead of aspiring to get them?
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What gen dis be
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>>41207127
Gen4
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>>41207138
Thanks boss
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>>41207156
don't listen to him it's a gen 5
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>>41207127
ultra rare gen2 buy buy buy
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>>41207012
Can't say it's a hobby of mine
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>>41206844
I would but literally none of those things except maybe the mag release if you have a lot of trouble with the factory one, but the Vickers one is supposedly only very slightly extended.

Just go for the sights and grip plug first. There are cheaper quality options than heinie but if you like them they should be good.
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>>41207209
Then get the M9
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>>41205693
>/k/ hates it
>buy it to spite the autismos
This is how I base my purchasing decisions and I've been very satisfied so far
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>>41207001
The one that groups closest to point of aim for you.
You can fix your group sizes easier than trying to get a gun that doesn't fit your hand to place the rounds in the center of the target instead of off to the left or right.
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>>41207001
Then get a cz shadow.
Will be a lot smoother than 75 and have the same ergos
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>>41205721
>want a sphynx for longest time
>finally hold one last week
>feels like shit in my baby hands

Fucking sucks desu because I like everything about it.
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>>41208969
Get bigger hands
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>>41198077
I’m with you completely but it looks better in person and you might come around to it after seeing one. I’d still never buy it, but it’s one of those guns that looks better in person, kinda like the PPQ.
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>>41204234
I bought a new Glock 26 on gunbroker for 405 and the 100 difference is worth it to me
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>>41194758
we know Burt, you have a lot of pistols
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>>41196952
the sixer
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>>41201130
T O M C A T
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>>41201500
Russian PX4
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>>41201635
>>41201692
in what way?
330 for a newer used smith is a nice deal all day long
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>>41205143
Lmao
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>>41210092
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>>41210092
Very solid choice for a .32, yes. Do wish the sights were a bit better though.
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Give me a reason why I shouldnt buy a full-size Sig Sauer P320 in .40 S&W as my first handgun
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>>41210892
Because it's in .40 S&W
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whats wrong with 40?
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>>41210926
Does absolutely nothing better than 9mm while doing 2 things worse: Lower capacity higher recoil.

Then you get into the aspect that most .40 guns are simply 9mm frames retrofitted for it and some of them have issues with either durability or reliability.
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Any experience with the NAA guardian in .380? I like the idea of a simple all metal pocket gun. Any options I should consider over it?
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>>41210854
The sights are e-nuff for 7-15 yards, shooting one handed imo.
Its an accurate, well-made pistol.
Past that you're just doing trying to do trick shots with a mouse gun.
Bellyshooting obv doesn't need sights.

>>41210971
>>41210926
Don't forget more expensive.
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>>41210926
>>41210971
This but also it's a little more expensive and a little harder to find ammo.

>>41211157
No opinion about that but Seecamp pistols are also ultra tiny and all metal, very high quality.
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>>41211157
Tomcat, or the Guardian in .32.
.380 is snappier for mehier more power.
Regardless of
>muh bigger bullet/velocity
For short barreled pocket pistols, you're just worried about shot placement.
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>>41210854
>>41211330
But yeah, a nice radium dot/replaceable dove tail would be nice.
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>>41211363
I was more concerned with the .380 being a slightly larger frame for my big hands, and ammo being miles cheaper. I agree that the increase in performance is marginal. Also thoughts on defense ammo choice? Heard good things about the underwood .380 xd, I see they also have it in .32
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>>41211454
For .32, any fmj, hp won't do anything.
I don't use .380, so no comment.
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>>41211330
The sights on the Tomcat are fine-as-in-tiny, and un-colored from the factory. They're plenty accurate. In fact, they're fine enough they're generally MORE accurate than the stock sights on many duty-sized pistols. But they're slow to acquire, especially if you don't add some color to the front sight (some fluorescent nail polish is the preferred method as it's durable but not permanent).

I'd hate to do it on what's otherwise a very nice and fairly expensive pistol, but if I had a Tomcat I'd widen the rear notch and add a white cup to it, and color the front sight blade.
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God, the high polish stainless CZ75 is pure sex. The only reason I haven't picked one up is because I feel like I'd never shoot it for fear of dirtying it up too much.
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>>41211637
high polish stainless is shit, the matte stainless 75 is so much nicer
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>>41211637
>>41211728
bitch please
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>>41196067
Lowest I've seen them new was like 550, but I bought mine like a year ago. Might be able to find one used around 500 though.
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>>41196805
Invest in a good holster. Practice your draw from concealed a lot. Start with dry fire. Figure out where you need your hands to be to get on your sights quickly. Practice a lot until it feels comfy, then practice some more.
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>>41211637
Get yourself a gloque and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol.
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I own a VP9 LE and an HK P30SK V3 for carry.

Should I trade my P30SK for a VP9SK? Or should I trade the VP9 LE for a P30L V3?
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>>41212384
dump the p30
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Sig p320c any good?
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>>41212923
Agreed
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Should I get the Ruger Mark IV now or wait for the Ruger Mark V?
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>>41213446
You should get a Buckmark instead.
>better trigger
>cheaper upgrades
>similar accuracy
>very slightly less picky with ammo
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>>41213451
I was thinking of the Buckmark too, but the takedown on the Ruger looks a lot simpler for a lazy fuck like me.
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>>41213478
Not gonna lie, it is. But Ruger managed to pretty well fuck up an otherwise good trigger with the Mk3 and Mk4 with both the mag disconnect and LCI so most people consider a mkII bushing and LCI delete pretty much mandatory. The fact the Buckmark starts out a hair cheaper than a base model Mk4 is just kinda icing on the cake.

Besides, it's a .22 target pistol. You shouldn't be cleaning the bore that often, and generally simply hosing out the action with your choice of aerosol CLP will do in place of an actual strip n' clean 99% of the time.

I have a MkII Target, a MkIII 22/45 Lite, and a MkIII 22/45 Hunter. I bought the MkIII's shortly before Ruger announced the Mk4 and I can't say I've been overly impressed with them. The MkII is significantly more accurate both mechanically and from a shootability standpoint because the factory trigger is just that much better. From what I've done with Mk4's it's even worse than the Mk3 because the pushbutton upper introduces some slop so they have really aggressive sear engagement that isn't needed in the older ones.
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Is it wise to have a suppressor on a typical short recoil action pistol? Seems like even with a piston having anything interfere with the actual autoloading mechanism is a liability.
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>>41213446
Ruger Mark refreshes come on average once every 22 years. Of all the guns in the world why wait for a new Mark?
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>>41212384
No

>>41213446
There's no reason Ruger would make a Mark V for the foreseeable future.

>>41213323
Sure it's fine

>>41213542
What in the world is a short recoil action pistol?
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whats a good handgun for probing my prostate?
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>>41213981
I think you know.
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>>41214127
not that anon but the texture is way too aggressive. you need something smoother like px4 checkering to avoid bleeding
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>>41214139
The rear sight wings on the PX4 will eviserate your anus, I have no idea why they’re so goddamn sharp.
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>>41214139
>>41214153
im going in barrel first bois
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what kind of guns do pawnshops have normally
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>>41214153
I know exactly what you mean, once you start to feel it you need to stop.
>>41214163
in that case, file down front sight and pic related is guaranteed satisfaction or your money back
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>>41214176
I’ve been trying to get my buddy to swap the ones on his for the 92 style or the stealths but he’s a cheap bastard, and stubborn.
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>>41214170
Jimenez. Hi-Point. Phoenix Arms.
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>>41213688
Sorry, I meant to say "Glock action pistol".
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>>41214647
I looked it up, I'd never heard it referred to as that! I've heard Browning type/pattern, tilting type/pattern, camming type/pattern, even heard one guy call it a bent barrel but never heard short recoil action. It's a thing! I'm dumb!

Anywho, no the suppressor/piston generally won't interfere with loading but it will accelerate wear, it will cause the gun to get dirty faster. The Nielsen device does a great job decoupling the weight of the suppressor from the barrel for just the right duration so the gun is able to operate properly.

My Sig P226 has dramatically accelerated frame wear from a lot of suppressor use, at 500 rounds the aluminum was worn to a level consistent with 3000+ rounds unsuppressed. Plastic and steel pistols may fare better.
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>>41214976
How about using one of those little polymer doodads that put some cushion in between the slide and frame?

I’ve used them in my 1911 and Beretta 92fs and they seem to take some sharpness out of the recoil.

Might help with some of the frame battering.
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>>41215018
I guess, maybe, but that wouldn't help the frame rails, slide rails or both ends of barrel lockup. I've heard those little bufferonis sometimes make guns less reliable because they shorten slide travel.

It's a tradeoff. Honestly tho, it's rrrreeaallly unlikely you'd shoot a gun into a dangerous condition because of a suppressor. We're talking thousands if not tens of thousands of rounds.

Bigger downsides to suppressors, imo, are initial cost and debris/gas blowback peppering your face. Also tall sights. Also more frequent cleaning.
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>>41215018
You talking about those shock buffer things? I've heard they're a bit of a liability. They're not really attached to anything in the pistol and deteriorate over time so eventually when it breaks you'll have loose chunks in your gun.
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>>41215127
just field strip your gun when you get home from the range and check on it

everything in your pistol is going to deteriorate with use, it's just a question of how fast
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>>41214170
Beat to shit Glocks and the occasional 1911.
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>>41215122
I mean yeah that’s my point though, it may or may not do anything, but it could also increase the longevity of your pistol, protecting your investment, and they basically cost nothing, you can get a pack of 6 for like $5.

I’ve had (limited) success with them, and the only stoppages they’ve induced is when you push them past their service life and they start to get chewed up. And even then I can’t really attribute any stoppages to them, I just change them when I’ve shot the amount of rounds they recommend you change them at.
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I'm a minimalist when it comes to handguns, /hg/: I only keep handguns if I can justify them. The only handguns I own are a G20 for bear defense in my job, a P320 I got for EDC, and a P80 G19 I built for funsies.

However, after having moved to a warmer climate, I find myself not wanting or needing to carry 15+1 IWB. But all the subcompacts and single stacks and 380s I've finger fucked don't feel small enough.

How's a P32 as an EDC gun? I figure the G20 for winter carry and the P32 for summer carry. The seasons are extreme enough here that such a proposition is very reasonable.
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>>41214170
depends on how nice the pawn shop is desu

there's a fancy one near me that only takes jewelry and guns and they usually have decent guns. Last I checked they had a couple decent looking BHPs, a new looking Glock 26, a Kimber, a Colt Python, a couple P2022s and some other shit i can't remember
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>>41215997
gotta say that if you're good with a glock 20 OWB but find a Glock 43 too big for IWB, maybe you should consider messing with different pants sizes or belts or holsters or something
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>>41213981
It's basically a prototype Aneros that could also kill people.
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Does anyone make an actual carbon fiber holster? Not just some kydex with a CF pattern.
>inb4 BLACKCOCK!
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What's a good handgun to go with my M1A?
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>>41216077
It's not an IWB carry issue, it's just that I really don't find the size transition from a G19 to a G43 to offer much more in concealability (in terms of clothing options). Hell, I carry the G20 IWB when I'm not innawoods, and have recently found that it's not that much more cumbersome than a G19. A mouse gun seems to make the most sense because now I have the option to drop it in a pocket instead of wearing a thick belt for IWB carry everywhere.

Firepower is nice, but all handguns poke similarly-sized small holes in monkeys. Might as well go with the smallest reasonable handgun that allows me to poke enough holes to get the point across.
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>>41216248
Springfield Loaded 1911.
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>>41216181
I once got a CF holster for my G17. Paid for more than I paid for the glock. Other than being lightweight, didnt find any benefits. Sold it shortly after. No regrets.
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>>41216331
Who made it? I'm an expert at wasting money for marginal weight reduction.
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I dropped my CZ off at my LGS for a detail cleaning (bought it used, so I don't really know what it looks like 100% autistic clean, and want to make sure i've been properly caring for it) it's been a week and I haven't heard back from them. It's my only pistol and I didn't realize it would take this long to clean it.
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>>41216568
Whenever you send your gun to a shop for any work, ask for a time frame.
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>>41216248
Literally only a GI 1911
Auto Ordnance makes a very accurate A1 model and Springfield makes a good GI
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>>41216889
>Springfield
>garbo angled slide serrations
>a good GI clone
No, just no
Maybe the original GI model that was discontinued years ago but definitely not anything since then
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>>41216248
If you're going with the "updated WWII gun" theme, then the proper choice is a Dan Wesson A2.
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>>41216998
I didn't say a good GI clone.

What a strange thing to be autistic over.
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>>41217106
no but you did say "good GI"
angled slide serrations is not a "good GI" instead it makes it just a knockoff of the post war Colt National Match guns which are as much a GI 1911 as a Wilson Combat Supergrade is.
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>>41217135
Ok.
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So let me get this straight. If we're speaking from a purely objective standpoint, there is no reason to carry (in public, not the woods) a pistol other than a 9mm? If more energy does nothing more to flesh up to the point of rifles, can you argue for any other pistol caliber while being intellectually honest?
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Why would anyone carry something in a smaller caliber than .380 again?
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>>41217740
Mostly very minor improvement in weight/dimensions, slightly higher ammo capacity for the same size, and lighter recoil because mousegats can be kind of snappy.
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>>41194680

I carry around a full sized hi-point c9 every day

Even though I have a beretta m9 in my closet

AMA
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>>41217658
Psychological stops from big bang and flash are about the only thing you can argue in favor.
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>>41195944
Is this Yuu from Waifus and Raifus? Don’t lie.
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>>41197400
If you’re protecting yourself from bears and shit the only way to go is .50 AE Deagle.
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>>41217658
You could be paranoid and expect to come up against body armor. 5.7x28 and fast 10mm loads would probably be the minimum if you're trying to penetrate level II soft armor.
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>>41217658
There is enough circumstantial evidence to show a greatly improved 1-shot-stop rate once you go to the true magnum pistol rounds (.357, .44, .454, .460, etc) in fullsize pistols to warrant consideration. In self defense shootings the only caliber to best .44mag in 1 shot stop and total chance of incapacitation is 12ga, and both categories are more than double that of 9mm.
>note: This specifically excludes 10mm which has an identical 1-shot-stop and nearly identical total chance of incapacitation to 9mm, probably because the only people who carry it anymore are internet autists that can't shoot
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>>41218428
Don't forget to make sure it's a gold deagle with tiger stripes. Everyone knows tigers scate bears.
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>tfw seriously considering buying a Glock 23 slide for my PF940C
What is wrong with me.

Is .40 and .357 Sig really a meme? I really like the idea of 9mm for plinking and higher power loads for EDC.
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Can someone give me a quick rundown on XDs? I don't know a thing about them besides they're ugly as sin but all my no-guns friends want one. Why?
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>>41204649
I thought you had a framed picture of the 30 year old boomer meme
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>>41219932
It's a Croatian glock with a grip safety, they work just fine. The only people who seem to have interest in them are white trash, fudds, and noguns.

Most people here won't touch them because Springfield is a garbage company that donates to anti gun politicians and is in business solely because of boomers that don't know that the M1A is actually a shitty knockoff of an M14 and that the real Springfield armory no longer exists.
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>>41219965
>Springfield is a garbage company that donates to anti gun politicians
Wrong.

Jesus Christ read a book, this misinformation is embarrassing at this point.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/05/john-boch/springfield-armorys-gun-rights-turn-around

Go be autistic about something else.
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>>41220020
New thread pls. Make it .40 Strong&Wonderful edition.
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>>41218389
Who did you steal the M9 from, Tyrone?
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Got a S&W Model 29 with a 6.5" barrel and a Ruger New Vaquero Stainless in .357 magnum with a 5.5" barrel. They make a magnificent pair.



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