Is it possible to outmaneuver modern missiles other than with chaff or hyper speed or once the rival shoots you’re fucked?
>>40879334Outrun until they run out of fuel, no real way of dodging them since they have proximity fuses and about 200kg worth of explosive patriots. Shrapnel does the job to kill anything within a 100m sphere of the thing exploding.
>>40879334As long as you're against an opponent like the Syrian Air Defense Force, you're fine.
*explosive on the patriot missile
>>40879334If you know direction of incoming you can try to jink it and hope for the best. There's video of a F-16 in Iraq that managed to dodge 6 sams. EW/Jamming also help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uh4yMAx2UAStarts kicking off at about 3 minutes and intensifies after 4 minutes.
>>40879352>outrun>a missileWew lad
>>40879391There is another option.
>>40879391Isn’t what that black spy plane was designed to do?
>>40879391You can outrun a missile with energy fighting. Watch videos of DCS, it's a video game but it's modeled somewhat accurately. The missile has limited energy, keep a good enough distance from it and lead it on before making some kind of change in movement to force it to recalculate and it will run out of energy, or motion, while you still have energy and keep going. Easier said than done though.
>>40879334Yes, but it's not easy. The key here is timing. A missile moves so fast that it doesn't have a whole lot of time to make course corrections and solid fuel rockets don't have throttles. If you turn at juuuuust the right time the missile doesn't have time to make course corrections and misses. After that it'll run out of fuel before turning around for another go.
>>40879391>>40879397SOP for the SR-71. but there are some cases which other planes can do the same.
>>40879334Air to Air missiles don't accelerate all the way towards the target but only burn for a very short amount of time, after which they use their amasssed energy in order to glide towards the target. In other words, any manuever that leads to the missile bleeding energy can lead to defeating it. There are numerous different defensive manuevers depending on the situation.
>>40880138This, it's worth noting that a missile goes for an intercept not a chase. So changing directions really fucks with their limited energy.
>>40879334yeah just attach a super powerful magnet to your plane then detach when missile closes missile will fellow because lul magnets bro
>>40879395>PO-2 heads into the wind and slows to stall speed >Missile over shoots and misses because its target is flying backwards.
>>40879334>>40879334Yes. Missiles are reguarly launched when a target is not in their no escape zone - often under the assumption that the target will enter the NEZ. Wild weisel tactics would often have SEAD aircraft flying at high speed towards an enemy. The enemy assumes their course will continue and fires, the jet launches a missile on detection of illumination. Then reverses course and dives below the radar horizon.
>>40879334sauce on that missile?
>>40879334With older SAMs it is possible since the limited computing of the era meant that missiles fired in a salvo pretty much just traced the trajectory of the first missile. Newer SAMs with all digital FCS doe, are an entirely different beast. While the first missile chases you down and bleeds your energy, the second missile is being maneuvered to a favorable position for an intercept just as you run out of energy.
>>40879383Closest thing to ace combat in real life, jesus. Can tell the tensions getting to him with that breathing.
>>40879391>I have no idea on what I'm talking about but let me meme your response regardlessGo look like a moron elsewhere >>40879352 is right
>>40879334>Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
>>40879397the stories are overinflated to the point that its not even funny..pretty sure when the mig 31 and the r33s/37s got in they could have easly shot down the sr 71 i guess they probably were just intercepting it outside of ussr airspace
>>40879391(Most) missiles don't have power for the entire trip like planes do. They blow all their load in a few seconds early on and then glide.
>>40886010To get an SR-71 you would have to become aware of its presence, scramble fighters and put them on an intercept course all before it flies away. MiG-31s are significantly slower than the blackbird so they would need to basically know where it's gonna be in advance and then proceed to attack it without ever alerting it. At the speeds and altitudes that thing is going it will be in and out of your kill envelope in seconds even in a good intercept.
>>40886139>aware of it lol ok its not like radars exists back then>mig 31 is significally slowernot by a long shot 500kts at most depending on the altitudeit cant outrun neither a r33 or a r37
>>40886010lol then why didn't theyoh right, they couldn't
>>40879334>hyper speedare we startreck now?
>>40886124And they're traveling almost 2000mph after those few seconds, jets travel at 500mph on average.The whole point of beaming and putting yourself at a 90 degree angle at an oncoming missile is that it is moving so fast it cannot make a quick adjustment to your supposed high G jink at a lateral angle.
>>40879334You can if you fly in a 737. Youll be able to reach the ground before the missile locks on to you
>>40886285only if you're a subhuman, flying a plane maintained by subhumans
>>40886284>2000mphnot for very long. Especially not if they have to adjust their trajectory.>the whole point of beaming and putting yourself at a 90 degree angle at an oncoming missile is that it is moving so fast it cannot make a quick adjustment to your supposed high G jink at a lateral angle.That's one specific case under one specific set of circumstances. The outer half of any missile's range can be quite easily negated by simply turning and running.
>>40886298>brown people can't into sensors>put pilot with 200 hours in charge>instead of turning off autopilot, fight with itthe end
>>40886275>mach 6 missile>mach 3.3 airplanewith 20 mins at 3.3 mach sr 71 was in and out fast enough having said that the sr 71 would have covered maybe at most (depending of the tanker was just outside of ussr space 300km going in and out so you tell me how true can the number of 1400+ missiles can it be? even back then they had more than capable missiles with bigger range than the sr 71 could ever achieve inside of ussr thats why im saying that probably when the mig 31 came out they agreed on intercepting it only u2 was the go to plane for deep recon anyways not sr 71
>>40886327how many 71s did you shoot down, Ivan?
>>40886332>i dont have literally anything to add as a rebuttal lets start falseflagging and calling him ivan>that will teach him to post facts on /k/
>>40886340you mad? yeah you madhere have some RUSSIA STRONK
>>40886344kek dont seeth amigo unless you think this plane broke some major thermodynamics and in general physics rulesthen i think you should check your self on a mental hospital
>>40886308Yea, I'm sure this literally came down to skin color. I'm absolutely certain that if a white person with the same level of training deficit was in the cockpit his lack of skin color would kick in and Grant him clarity to resolve the situation.Fucking Christ.
>>40886349how many 71s were shot down?>>40886351get out nigger
>>40886356how many were able to stay enough inside of ussr air space for them to be shot down?
>>40886365That’s a shit argument, the USSR has a nasty habit of shooting down aircraft well outside of the ADIZ.
>>40886365all of them
>>40886398They generally avoided USSR airspace.
>>40886385>thats a shit argumentthe plane literally had 20 mins of flight time in mach 3.3 and we basicly know how much it could travel at that speed it was always coming from the baltics or from SE it could have barely be inside of what it is now the modern day russian borders and thats it they usually perfomed a short visit to 90000ft to take photos and back out again even u2 the first ever time that it actually went inside of the nowdays russian terrirory it got shot down because they thought that the russian radars couldnt pick up when it flew above the east germany.......
>>40879383he's dodging fire from a Dvina battery, and the control law on those things is so dumb, you can send them spinning into the ground if you dodge just rightknown bug from Vietnam era days, Russians never got to sell Saddam the new launch control cabs, because he went all-in with the US
>>40886482>This entire postGlad to see you’re as uneducated as I thought. The U-2 flew for four years over the USSR unmolested before the Soviets got lucky and shotgunned 14 missiles at one and accidentally shot down one of their own fighters in the process.
>>40879334yeah but you need a shitload of skillson pretty common tactic is skirting just inside the maximum engagement range (if you know what system it is) and once the missle is fired you just gtfo and the missle will literally not be able to reach youthis is done to reveal enemy AA positions, but ofc if your army is worth two shits they wont fire unless a hit is 90% ensured
>>408865312, that we know of. probably more
>>408865772 what? U-2s? The second US U-2 shot down was in October 1962 over Cuba a full 6 years after U-2s began operational spy flights. At least one ROC operated U-2 was shot down over China. Even when vulnerable, they struggled to stop them.
>>40886327>mach 6>constant mach 6disingenuous at best
>>40886622rooskies shot down 2 of their migs that we know of. probably more
>>40879334Is dat some bloodhound? I think I saw them on RAAF calendars in the 80's...
>>40886531the u2 NEVER flew on the russia part of ussr moron up until the 1960flying on east germany or the baltics doesnt mean he went through the mainland
>>40880553Followed by glorious syrian buthurt
>>40887241Source? I think overflights of Leningrad and Moscow in the summer of '56 counts
>>40886254>lol ok its not like radars exists back thenDo you understand what mach 3 means? It will go from one side of a typical search radar's horizon to the other in about 15 minutes even if directly overflying it. In order to catch an SR-71 as a PVO interceptor you need to be ready for it before it's even crossed the Atlantic. Apparently the Russians were snooping for comms indications that one is taking off and refuelling.>not by a long shot>500 knotsDo you read what you're writing? 500 knots is airline cruising speed. >can't outrun r33Do you not understand how missiles work? It doesn't magically stay at constant velocity, it has a finite amount of energy. The less perfect the shot the less of a velocity edge the missile has when it arrives.In order to intercept the SR-71 you need to quite literally intercept it. Put yourself in the right place at the right time and hope for the best. Which means you better know exactly where it is going before it's even visible over the horizon.
>>40887537>today on /k/ PSR radars on a FIR have such a small coverage that a sr 71 could sweep through the coverage in just 15 mins!what are you blabbing about anon for an sr 71 to cut through straight the coverage in just 15 mins as you say (which it cant because combat radius is a thing) it would roughly need to travel at around 8.3 mach (a bit more but im bored to do the exact math)
If it is Russian or Chinese rubbish then certainly. Western and Israeli pilots have been evading them for ages.However, pic related is virtually impossible to defeat.