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Don't touch tips: flash hider, brake, or compensator? Put your muzzle device where you mouth is.
Muricans or Monkeys , who made the best licensed FAL? DSA battles South America.
SCAR 17S LEO/Mil discount program. Finding a cop who will commit fraud for a 30 rack and other helpful tips.
"BREN 2 any day now" t. A Skellington
Why did my PTR explode? A roller post mortem.
Why did my C308 explode? Chamber pressures and maple syrup out of battery jams examined.
EEEEEEEE and other hazards of pistol BRs.
Single shot FALs and other gas block tricks.
HK slaps and why you're wrong.
Tax returns are in: deciding on a parts kit in 3 easy steps.
Tap that butt: 21st century sling mounting solutions for your cold war relic.

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>>40851462
Let’s see some pics of the Latino LMTs that we’re on clearance. Who’s holding?
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I saw a billet SCAR 17 lower for sale, how much to finish one off in parts? Way more?
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>>40851462
skrrt
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>>40851462
I know it's gross and Heavy, but, goddamn I still do like those Sage Chassis mods.
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>>40851974
type 3 cast receiver fn fal moving through
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>>40851462
How does a poor fag get into battle rifles? Should I get a C308?
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>>40852119
PTR and steel case
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>>40852119
Or a DSA Voyager on sale ($999) and handload. I like mine
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>>40852193
>this kids alright, he can pass
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>>40852119
see>>40852193


DSA voyagers are known for having issues, as is any time Century does any more than electropencil in thier import marks (ie. the C308 line).

Honestly, cheapest-, best- way is an M1 garand from the CMP - learn to shoot, and then you can either mod it into a faux-M14 or sell it to fund another REAL NATO rifle later on.
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>>40852332
No issues so far. Still winter so haven't put a crate through it yet. Soon.
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>>40852377
It's not that there aren't good ones, but, after the Gen II DSAs, they must have really cut down on the number of hours of QC because every damn post is about small-, treatable problems that aren't addressed before getting to the consumer.

I only wish that the new BM-59s had improved their casting process so that the op-rod's stay in place - I'd buy the JRA paratrooper carbine in an INSTANT.

Nope. Sucks so much that even the firearms media says to skip 'em.
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>>40852406
Was wondering how those BM59s were
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>>40852406
There was a limited review in American Rifleman? I think

. Shuffs forum - while deeply biased as shuff has been making his own BM-59 for a while - goes over the main issue being poor casts that cause FtFs with the op-rod not staying in position.

It got SO bad, and so many people were sending him guns that JRA can't/won't repair, that he says he'll only work on USGI M1 receivers - which means the CMP or Fulton Armory rifles.

Said that they weren't using exact USGI/BM-59 spec for their casts, which makes me wonder about their ability to be 'drop-in' for previously-made parts.

The fact that they're selling the rifles only through Sweaty Ben hasn't helped my impression either.
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What's the reciever compatiblity here? I assumed type a meant type 1 reciever but apparently the type c is for Israeli FALs not type 3 recievers?
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Why is /k/ okay with “battle rifle” but “assault rifle” sends you into a speed-storm
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>>40853271
Assault rifle is fine? Assault weapon is not.
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It's 3am. Do you know where your BR is?
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What ever happened to g!rl
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>>40854873
>she
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>>40854940
Trannies aren't passable now let alone in 2009
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>>40851487
I'm still waiting on mine. Haven't gotten an email about it shipping. I called last Friday and they they will either start shipping then or sometime this week.
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>>40854940
I don't see where a penis could be hidden here, retard
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>>40854967
This. g1rl was the only girl on /k/. Discord trannies btfo
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Gmorning
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>>40854873
She had her fill of being an attention whore, once you get naked no one gives a shit anymore.
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Last thread died just after asking, I'm trading my 20" PSA with strike eagle/vortex cantilever mount, with 500 rnds of ak ammo for a Argentinian FMAP FAL. Still waiting on pictures and to see it in person. What should I look for or anticipate? What do I need to know about the gun?
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>>40856474
dude, everyone told you - go for it. It's a good trade.
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>>40856484
Everyone being 2 people you mean. Though I get it. I'm also asking what I should look for when inspecting it.
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>>40856497
Ask FAL Files - they can tell you more about the specific models/potential hang ups. We're mostly parts-kits rebuilders, I don't think /k/'s that knowledgable of the exact kinds of FAL.
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>>40856497
If it shoots
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Is /brg/ also sort of a Cold War Gun General? I have HK93 questions.
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>>40857183
Sure. We're ready to let in boltybois and prs for new members to keep brg bumped
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>>40857376
I've got a line on one from a local seller. He wants 600. Has had headspace/timing checked, allegedly 300 rounds through it, pictures look good - but that's coming from someone that doesn't know the nuances of the gun. It's a Century C93. I've been bumbling through forums and YouTube and I can't really get a good consensus. Some people think the Century guns are great, some people say to never buy them, but for the price I think I'm willing to risk it. This is a fun rifle to take to the range, not a self-defense or hunting purchase.

I guess my ultimate question is if anyone has issues working on this and replacing parts if it does end up being a lemon. Does anyone have a good source for getting HK parts if it ends up being a worst-case scenario? I can do a decent amount of work on my own - I have a press and some other equipment but if it requires a specialized factory tool (which I know Germans love) I'll be in worse shape.
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>>40854980
>he never got to see TexasBabe stick shotgun shells in her pussy
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>>40858395
BRB KMS
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>>40858395
Postem
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>>40853254
Are Israeli FALs type 3?
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>>40859276
Type 1. They adopted it before NATO, so they have a weird almost metric pattern on early type receivers.
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>>40852119
Poorfag here. I did this: >>40852193
Good gun, good company, good warranty. Mags are incredibly cheap.
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What should an l1a1 imbel fal imported by century be priced if it's 7/10 condition?
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>>40859727
Which PTR?
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>>40859631
So which Ironwood set works w type 3 recievers? None?
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>>>40860526
get a type 2 forged receiver, they have nicer finish i've heard. i own a type 3 cast fn fal
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>>40860556
I already have the type 3, I was looking to see if there was a wood kit for it. I suppose I could sell it for probably 100 more than I paid and buy a type 2 for more
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>>40859612
Why my peepee so damn hard.
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>>40860556
not worth it, i love my type 3 cast. but i would get forged if i were to do it again just for autism points
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>>40859956
https://www.classicfirearms.com/ptr-g-1-308-caliber-semi-auto-rifle/
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Recently purchased an M1A scout. Removed the scout mount, installed a unitized gas cylinder/front band, and added a USGI handguard. Gonna lap the barrel and install a bipod mount and a scope mount soon. Took it to the range a couple days ago and it wasn't cycling, realized I didn't install a spindle valve in the new gas cylinder so it was just venting the operating gas out the front (maximum retard). Take two today, sling shooting from a sitting position with the irons. A mag all on paper and one bullseye at 200 yds, not bad considering my entire target was narrower than the front sight. Really fun gun, very little felt recoil and a nice trigger pull from the factory. Action needed a little lubrication and breaking in, but now it's smooth as butter. No malfunctions in several hundred rounds.
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>>40857817
Just get a wasr, loser
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>>40862654
is that the 18" one or the 16" one?
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>>40862654
You get a good deal on her?
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>>40852119
Any cheap Ar10
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>>40862705
already have a WASR
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>>40863987
Well, come on up to 7.62 tier 2 already. Ya cheap bastard
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>>40864722
My collection isn't massive but it's well-rounded - but I don't have anything in 5.56 and I don't really like the idea of building a gucci AR. HK puts me in that caliber while still letting me LARP as an 80s SWAT team in my basement.
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>>40863046
18". I wanted to be able to shoot up to 700 yds, plus the 16" is much harder to accurize since the gas system had to be redesigned. The 18" is really just a cut down 22" with a muzzle brake. Still handles well and is light enough.

>>40863632
I paid a little under $1600. They have em for slightly less online, but I just happened to be at my FFL picking up ammo and asked if she had one.
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>>40864798
Not that I'm against your idea but you should really have a 700ish AR at least. Just get an upper and lower and pop em together
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>>40865365
can you not shoot a 16" out to 700y with the right loads?

I do agree that it's better to not have proprietary parts though.

How heavy is it - still considering if I should get one of the M14s vs my M1 tanker/BM-59 hybrid.
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>>40857817
Apex, rtg, hkparts will have parts/ accessories.
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>>40866521
I'm not sure about loads for longer ranges; like any autoloader you have a little less leeway than you would with a bolt gun. Note, however, that the M14's gas cylinder vents off extra gas, so it does not suffer from the problems of the Garand in that respect. I've heard you shouldn't load it faster than 2800 FPS, though that specific number may just be fuddlore, since max pressure obviously depends on bullet weight. I don't think you would hurt anything experimenting with hotter loads as long as you make sure it cycles smoothly (and lubricate it well). You can also load a bit hotter if you lap the barrel as this reduces maximum pressure.

Wrt weight, the 18" in walnut clocks in at 9.3 and synthetic 8.8. However you can get it lighter if you want. An 18" with a light fiberglass stock, rubber buttplate, scout rail removed, and a slightly more modest muzzle device will clock in well under 8 lbs. The weight is a bit front-loaded, which is an advantage if you're using a 1907 sling.
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>>40867884
>you shouldn't load it faster than 2800 FPS
To clarify, people say don't shoot factory loads marked faster than 2800 FPS, ie hot hunting loads.
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>>40867884
Hmmm. So, how would that ultra light set-up described compare to a 16" M1 tarted up with BM-59 compensator/op-rod/et al still shooting en bloc clips?

I always support the idea of mags vs. the en bloc clips, but, as a do-all rifle I'm less concerned about firepower than I am parts availability/strength of the receiver.
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>>40852193
do PTR's run ok with steel case ammo?
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>>40861101
what kind of FAL is that?
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>>40868056
Honestly I don't know as much about the M1 platform, though that does sound like a cool idea. One nice thing about the M14 is that people are very into modifying them, so for any improvement/accurizing you want to do down the road you'll have a lot of options. OTOH Springfield armory currently uses cast receivers, which some people take issue with. The bolt and barrel are of course forged, and the only cast part that I've heard of failing is the extractor, which is easy enough to replace with a forged one. Both M1 and M14 platforms have replacement parts readily available. Check out Fulton Armory for either one, or if you want to shell out $$$ for a really nice all forged M14.
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>>40868229
Oh yeah, I saw the FA and Bula M14s - cool, but, not $2500 cool.

Yeah, I think the key here is keeping the system as lightweight as possible. Unfortunately they don't make lightweight-, fiberglass stocks for the M1. They make synethetics- or polymers-, but, they wind up being nearly as heavy as a laminate.

Cool. Cool. Yeah, I think I'm going to keep my current plan, but, cool rifle my guy.
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>>40868288
>Oh yeah, I saw the FA and Bula M14s - cool, but, not $2500 cool.
Lol I agree. Make sure to post pics of your hybrid gun when it's all done, sounds like a really fun project.
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>>40868333
I can either go the long way and get it custom built by the main guy that does these ~1800, or I could buy one pre-built.

There are even a few armslist posts where it's a full mag-fed hybrid out there too - looks nice.
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>>40868117
Yep. Works like a charm.
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>>40868946
thanks
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Hello /brg/!
Anyone know how interchangeable the handguards are between these thing, the CETME, etc.?
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>>40868145
fn fal 50.00 type 3
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Is a 308 Garand sacrilege? Not going to add another caliber to the reload list right now.
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>>40871760
not at all! I discuss it:

>>40868384
>>40868333
>>40868288
>>40868056

and the navy made a number of official ones too - so don't listen to anyone who calls it a bubbaing.
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>>40871760
It's not sacrilege. Honestly it's way more functional than a 30-06 Garand, since they can't handle much pressure anyway, so the loads you'd be using would be equivalent to .308. However as a collector's item I would go with 30-06, cuz WWII blah blah
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>>40851765
stop this larp before you make yourself look too foolish
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>>40873394
Well, I mean, there are adjustable gas plugs that you can install too.
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Hey guys, I'm building a .308 dmr type AR10 and was hoping you guys could point me in the right direction regarding barrel brand/length. Hope to hit stuff between 200-800 yards.
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>>40873734
Wat??
https://www.xproducts.com/product/x-17-lower-receiver-light-weight-billet-trigger-module-fn-scar-17s-sr-25-m110-pattern/
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>>40853271
The term "assault rifle" gets used wrongfully for semi-auto only rifles such as civilian derivatives of Kalashnikovs or semi-auto rifles from which certain assault rifles derived such as the AR15. "Assault rifle" has basically changed in context to a politicized term misused to make semi-autos sound like full-autos.

Also, "assault weapon" is purely a political term.
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>>40869285
forends should be an easy pin-push to swap
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>>40871760
Not really. The Navy experimented with converted Garands. They ended up being shit guns, so you want to LARP one of the biggest the follies of the gun's past, go for it.
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>>40852193
>semi-auto
>battle rifle
No, that's a semi auto rifle. Just buy a semi-auto hunting rifle and get a bigger magazine instead of larping.
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>his battle rifle wasn't designed in the 21st century
I SHYGDDT
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Where can I find an M1A stock like this?
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>>40853271
Because full power semi auto rifles, such as the Garand, have been historically called battle rifles. And no .308 rifle has ever really been functional in full auto, anyway. The whole innovation of "assault rifles" was to use a reduced power cartridge that would allow the rifle to be controllable in full auto, since most engagements in WWII took place within 300 yds anyway. So a reduced power semi auto rifle is not really an assault rifle.
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>>40878062
Are you talking about the handguard, the Monte carlo-ish top of the buttstock, or the bottom cutout? Bc the handguard is something you can get separate. Never seen a wood stock like that, but if you're not married to wood JAE has an ergonomically shaped synthetic with a cutout. You could also try asking on m14forums.
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>>40878062
That looks like a garage alteration to me.
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>>40879382
Looks nice. Reminds me of the retro futuristic look of Aug or Scout
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just picked up my /brg/ pass today
I have a collapsible stock on the way, how are PTRs comfort-wise when shooting with one on?

I just hope it isn't AK collapsible stock tier bad
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>>40879829
Shitty. Stock stock or buffer tube + m4 style stock (obvs totes not max aesthets tho) are best comfort. Collapsible hk on is poop and slides everywhere in the shoulder pockadoodleydoo
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>>40876323
only the Mk I conversions sucked, but, they were later repaired/updated to MkII as well as other 30-06 rifles as well.
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>>40879829
Welcome aboard fren
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>>40876626
ISHYGDDT is all one word
I don't like your tastes. Have a good day sir
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>>40879829
>how are PTRs comfort-wise when shooting with one on?

shitty.
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>>40876323
Well they are handsome guns. Pic related
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>>40879806
Yeah they're probably my favorite behind walnut. They're also supposed to be excellent for accuracy.
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>>40879806
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Building an AR10. Who do you guys recommend for barrels? Looking at Criterion SST for $364, currently, but want to weigh my options.
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Getting close, the stock and pistol grip are standing for odg Magpul prs stock, odg pistol grip, odg vfg, and odg rail covers
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>>40874661
20" or bust. 18'' is acceptable on paratrooper FALs

>>40883271
MEGA is really good. Faxon are nice
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>>40883644
Paras are 16" though
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>>40883840
for manlets
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>>40851462
Do DSA railed handguards mount securely enough to support a magnified optic?
My retarded idea is that I can save like half a pound off my FAL by skipping the railed dustcover and using one of their new MLOK handguards both for my light and a Geissele National Match mount
https://geissele.com/super-precision-scope-mount-30mm-high-power-mount-long.html
mounted backwards to cantilever the optic back over the receiver.
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>>40874661
Barrel length is a meme.
People not subject to retarded SBR laws routinely use .308s with barrels as short as 12" for the ranges you mentioned.
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>>40884464
Well you could always be the test mule :^
Might make her feel front heavy like the PTR though. Would be cool if it worked
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>>40879829
>collapsible stock
pic related, have fun
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>>40884557
Where2cop that tenderizer
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Is.. Is this what ARfags shoot? I definitely don't think my FAL is badass enough to shoot this.
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I did it /brg/. After always being a fudd (I guess?) that was only into WW1/WW2 bolt-actions, I have ordered a PTR91 as my first battle rifle.

I'm afraid. But also a little aroused.
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>>40886319
Is the voyager worth the buy?
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>>40886417
If you don't want a folder yes.
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>>40886435
why does everyone keep saying they have problems?
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>>40886440
Unlucky? Too dumb to into gas block? Cast meme? Lower QC at DSA? Hard telling, probably over blown. Or I'm the lucky one
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>>40851462

>BREN 2 any day now

In all seriousness, is there any news about the BREN 2, including the BREN 2 BR 308, coming to the U.S civilian market? I know that the BREN 2 pistol is out, but I can't find anything regarding the possibility of other BREN 2s. Assuming it's priced competitively with the FN SCAR 17 (MSRP of $3,500), the BREN 2 BR 308 could have potential as a successful battle rifle on the civilian market. Hopefully CZ doesn't charge more than $2,000 - $2,500 for it...
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>>40851487
damn we should have bought one
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>>40886632
>MSRP of $3,500
what the fuck
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>>40887454

You can find the SCAR 17 for a few hundred cheaper than the MSRP, but it’s still quite expensive. Hopefully the CZ Bren 2 BR 308 is priced more competitively.

>ib4 poorfag
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>>40886390
Congrats man. Let us know how it shoots!
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And the last bit arrived
You guys are right about the buttpad looking like a meat tenderizer.
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>>40851462
Who makes the best M14 ebr stock? Is it sage? Also how difficult would it be to build for someone who's only exerlence is putting together an AR?
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>>40854980
God, she was perfect.
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>>40887454
2450 if you have a cop friend >>40889382
Well she was annoying but most women are.
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>>40874661

I've got a Faxon .308 Big Gunner profile, 18" rifle gas brand new in the package. Bought it and ended up buying their other one, the heavy fluted one with 5R rifling.

Trying to sell the Big Gunner for $100 if you interested
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>>40889315
That looks uncomfortable and front heavy from here. Put a can on it.
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Looking at buying a Criterion SST 20" barrel from Fulton Armory. I currently have a Toolcraft .308 BCG. Anyone know what the headspacing is like? Are they compatible and should I be worried about losing some appendages if I try shooting it?
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>>40889315
>looking like
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>>40889379
Sage is the least bad, yes.
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>>40886390
>>40889315

How is shooting a G3/PTR91/HK91 with the metal collapsible stock?
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>>40891680
No idea, that's not mine - I just have a lot of G3 porn. I will be taking pics and logging my journey once it arrives. No shipping data yet.
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>>40890913
Do you own headspace gauges?
Worst case just tie a string to the trigger and hide behind your buddy
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>>40891957
No, although I had considered buying them along with the barrel if I couldn't get an answer (from /k/ or FA themselves). I was just hoping for someone who had done-did it and could give me a definite answer.
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>>40891680
It sucks exactly as much as you'd expect from looking at it: it's a convex meat tenderizer focusing all of the gun's recoil into about eight square inches of your shoulder every time you press the trigger.
Also you can't get a cheekweld worth a damn off the thing for obvious reasons.
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>>40891680
Shitty.

Only people trying to look for excuses to spend money on their PTR enjoy them. Can't cheekweld for shit and if you have optics, you can't even use the cheek riser.

Just save a few more dollary-doos for a Spuhr stock if the standard one is not tacti-cool enough for you.
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>>40893820
Yours? What's she shoot for groups?
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>>40893901
Yeah, it's more accurate than i am. I'm working on it though.
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>>40851462
Is Elcan SpecterDR 1x/4x a good fit on Scar17s or not powerful enough?
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>>40891680
I haven't shot mine yet with the full or collapsible so I can't say. I just got the gun yesterday.
I got the collapsible stock for purely an aesthetic I wanted and I know I can always just swap on the normal stock easy if I want to for shooting.
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>>40894108
I'd lean toward a normal LPV like a Razor HD-E or NX8 unless you're really in love with the DR's gimmick, in which case why not go full retard and get a SpecterTR 1/3/9x?
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>>40894108
>Elcan
What is it 2003? Get a PA 1-8x platinum
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>>40894326
>PA 1-8x platinum
Primary Arms wtf? It looks good on paper so far...
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>>40894382
26 ounces though
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>>40894458
Lifetime Warranty though
nukka
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>>40894382
Its made in the same Jap factory as an identical scope that costs 2x as much w a better name brand. Forget which one but it's basically a generic version of great scope. Plus SCARs don't kill it
It is heavy yes.
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I am picking up the PTR 91 pistol tomorrow, with the 8 inch barrel. Anybody have an any experience with it?
I currently have a full-size C308, I’m going to be selling that. It’s been a great gun and I’ve had zero problems but I’ve always wanted the short barrel version and PTR is a better company. Not really spending much more though
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>>40889379
doing armorer level shit to an M14 pattern rifle is on an entirely different level than ARs, the sage chassis is good but if you're new to M14s then its probably best to swallow your pride and pay a gunsmith $50 to drop it in
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>>40891680
I have the collapsy boi and it sucks to shoot with. Accuracy suffers and you can't put a heavy buffer in it. I don't even think it has a normal buffer actually.
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>>40876377
dumbass, there were smeiauto BRs issued because they knew about going fullretard
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>>40894761
Looks shouty. I never really understood battle pistols.
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What are some nice rail extension options for 17S?
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>>40895585
You're the only one w a SCAR, you've got to tell us m8 then someone will say its shit and get something else. With any luck you'll make the next OP
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>>40894761
If the muzzle is threaded 5/8-24 like a normal .308 consider getting a linear comp like a BRT Covert Comp
https://www.weaponoutfitters.com/rifle-parts-components/ar-10-300-blk/30-cal-muzzle-devices/black-river-covert-comp-762-fluted.html
so the other people at the range won't want to strangle you.
Also obviously SBR that shit and set it up like the .308 MP5 it clearly wants to be.
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>>40895294
It's the size of a submachine gun and .30 cal loses so littlle velocity out of short barrels that even with an 8" .308 you're still throwing 158 gr bullets at 2,400 fps, i.e., full-size AK muzzle velocity with a heavier bullet and half as much barrel
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Question about doing a 100yard zero at 25yds. I read that 3" low at 25yds should be zero at 100yards. Does that only work if the scope is 3" over bore? If so then would a low red dot that's only about 2" bore require a 2" low at 25yds to be zero at 100?
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>>40895294

Some people are just into that Bolter aesthetic.
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>>40896767
Just do a 33y zero. It's the new hotness
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>>40896917
How does a 33yrd trajectory work with m80 ball out of a 16" barrel?
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>>40897198
Really well; that's why it's so hot right now.
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>>40896767
Wouldn't it be closer to 1" low at 25 if you're still 2" in over bore? Because it's arcing upward at a decreasing rate (parabolic) till about 75 yds. You could just draw the parabola since lost velocity isn't a huge factor within 100 yds.
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>>40862654
Why did you go with the scout model if you didn't want the scope mount? Just OAL?
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>>40895294
shoulder guns longer than 10" are obsolete
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>>40898518
Well, I didn't have the money to buy the national or super match. Plus, I wanted a relatively light and easy to handle rifle for hunting, animal defense when camping, etc. The 16" doesn't have full parts commonality with standard M1As/ USGI M14, while the 18" does. The gas system had to be redesigned for the SOCOM, which for whatever reason means it tends to be the least accurate of all of them. Plus 18" is short enough for me, I lift regularly and have long arms so holding it offhand for a length of time is no problem. The scout is also known to be more mechanically accurate than the standard because the barrel profile is the same, ie the 18" is effectively stiffer. For longer range target shooting, I already have my 26" remmy 5R (essentially an M24). Finally, I just like how it looks, and the proprietary muzzle brake works really well. Doesn't feel like a full caliber rifle at all, I can shoot all day without any soreness.
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>>40898518
>>40898695
Oh, I should also mention that the scout mount is barrel mounted, which besides having the potential to heat up/vibrate your optic, disrupts barrel harmonics and reduces accuracy. It's not all bad though, after all it's pretty light unlike the mounts which replace the handguard like >>40878062 and is generally fine as long as you're not anal about accuracy or shooting rapidly.
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>>40898638
Oh well that's good to know
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>>40898488
>lost velocity isn't a huge factor
speed is the key to where the bullet will be. if you wanna know for sure get the tools to do it, like a chronograph. without knowing the true speed of your chosen round in your preferred rifle, youre just grasping in the dark
>find irl muzzle velocity
>use ballistic calculators to find trajectories
>put lead on paper to confirm
>work near to far
>set it and forget it
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>>40851462
I love the G3 rifle series and the affordable mags only make me love it more

Is the C308 a good starting point to start with and then customize or am I better off buying a PTR?
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Is DSA a good choice for a first FAL? Looking at a classic series with either an 18 or 21 inch barrel. Already have an AR-10 but want some diversity now and I love the look of a FAL with bipod and carry handle.
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I'm ready boys
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>>40899308
It’s not bad at all. I’ve had 0 issues.
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>>40899431
How many rounds so far? Does it like steelcase?
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>>40898695
Now I want one.
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>>40899347
Yes. I went w an 18" and it's surprisingly weildy. Helps I was coming from a thiccboi AR so your mileage may vary.
>>40899364
Nice, gonna be a sweet raifu
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>>40851462
Does anyone have any experience with zee German MEN surplus 7.62x51mm with the sanitized headstamp? I've had great results with Sal-Tech Swiss surplus and Austrian Hirtenberger and I imagine the Kraut surplus is likewise quality. How about the Malaysian 7.62 L2A2 that's floating around? Is it good to go? The price on the Malaysian is attractive but I don't minding spending the extra dosh if the German MEN is that much better. I'm running low on my PMC surplus and my Hirtenberger surplus and I don't want to shoot up all of my Sal Tech just yet.
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>>40868117
That and cheap mags is their claim to fame. Its why they were the poorfag br of choice.
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Anyone know if a toolcraft .308 BCG will work with a Criterion barrel? Buying from Fulton Armory, want to know if the headspacing is fine.
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>>40901623
Do people headspace AR10s? Dont know anyone who headspaced their AR15
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Serious question. I'm new to rifles. By wiki definition this is a "battle rifle". Could it take a beating like a SCAR for example?
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>>40901672
AR15s are 99.99% universal because of mil-spec. AR10s don't have a mil-spec, so companies have their own specs - which yes, does require headspace checking.

Anyone actually have an answer? I can't find my missing chromosome until I get a good one.
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>>40902006
Headspace gauges are like 70 bucks for a set
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>>40902382
Not that I'm against spending the money to do it myself, but that means, in the likely even that the barrel turns out to NOT be compatible with my BCG, that I'll be 364+70 in the hole. Fulton Armory doesn't do returns for barrels that don't have correct headspace compatibility.
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>>40902640
Could always go w a dif Bcg for cheaper but yeah. They're a handy tool to have either way
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>>40901691
BAR Mk III DBM was something I considered. Probably not going to get great performance out of the barrel once it's hot, and probably has some issues with field stripping
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>>40871760
I actually used to run Garands on 7.62 NATO, just. Expect the occasional feed fuckery.
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Thoughts on Cmmg Ar10’s /k/? I want a shorter 308 gun and I like ar ergos. Are they decent?
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>>40893717
The Sphur stock isn't much better. No rubber on it and also has meat tenderizer texture on the back.
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Enterprise and PTR are my /brg/ pass.

I just got a Springfield M1A NM and an old DSA 16" paratrooper for $2200 (pair)

Anyone have a source for good M14 & FAL mags for less than $40 a pop?
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>>40884464
I have one, it mounts with 4 bolts in addition to the handguard screw up front. As to how it works think KAC drop in Rail system with tension screw. You should be fine.
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>>40862654
I've browsed /brg/ and was always too scared to say I owned one. welcome to the M1A Scout club anon!
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>>40876377
>Being this retarded
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>>40903181
>good M14 & FAL mags
>less than $40 a pop
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>>40903181
Brownells has CMI mags for $25.
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>>40903552
Thanks.
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>>40895294
>>40896843
yes
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>>40903200
Sounds good, thanks.
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>>40899485
Likes em just fine.
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>>40903181
I usually buy 10pks of FAL mags on gunbroker for 200
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>>40899308
As someone who has owned both- the C308 is a fine rifle, but saving up another 300 gives you a GI PTR that's 2x the gun. Sold the c308 and wished I'd done it sooner...
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>>40903181
I just bought 21Austrian surplus FAL mags for 10 a piece off Armslist...
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>>40856497
just do it
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Was looking for a saiga 308 and found one similar to pic related, should I cop?
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Well it's a battle rifle not a Battle Rifle but it's almost done. Just waiting on the bayonet. Couldn't find a matching year sling but it's older.
Should I get a diopter and color lenses sight for the same price I paid for the rifle?
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>>40852119
I wanted to get a battle rifle but didn't want to drop a grand. Got a c308, swapped the furniture out for cetme surplus wood for $30. She runs great and is actually a surplus rifle with some history unlike a ptr.
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>>40857817
For $600 I would buy it. Worst case scenario you either sell it for a slight loss or send it off to Parabellum Combat Systems or Brethren Arms and have them fix it if you can't.
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>>40869285
You mean between a CETME and G3?They're not.
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>>40879829
Well the Germans nicknamed it "the meat tenderizer" so that should give you an idea. For maximum /comfy/ I would recommend the factory stock and an improved buffer like the ones they installed in the HK21E.
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>>40903929
dsa which are almost junk or concert inch l1a1 30 rounders
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>>40906686
>concert inch l1a1 30 rounders
*convert?
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>>40899241
What I mean is that the trajectory will be nearly parabolic within 100 yds because the speed difference between 0-100 is minimal. But yes, without knowing the irl muzzle velocity, you are assuming that the trajectory will peak at 100 yds, whereas in reality it will vary somewhat.
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>>40899241
>>40909092
You can also just calc speed if you have a long enough range to measure bullet drop at several increments
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>>40895585
pretty sure parker mountain is the only option but i really don't see the point.
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>>40903181
If you bought the M1A new, you can do the Springfield promo till the end of the month, get two free mags, scope mount, and discounts on some vortex optics.
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>>40902927
Just get a KAC.
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>>40906686
Still have to test my DSA 30
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I'm still having trouble finding a consensus on DSA's guns. The Voyagers are... really competitively priced. But it seems like a coin toss if yours will work out of the box. Does DSA have a solid warranty on their stuff?
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>>40910834
DSA will fix any lemon they happen to send you. The rate of lemons they put out is vastly, vastly overstated - FALs are finnicky guns, and I'd argue that a lot of the complaints boil down to people not understanding the gas system or having a hard time finding mags that actually run well. This isn't Century, where the low price is for literal coin-flip chances.
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>>40902927
I'll say that my CMMG AR-15 has been a pretty awesome workhorse for the money.
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>>40911016
I guess I could bite the bullet and get a Voyager, report my findings to /brg/.
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>>40911758
go all the way and get one of the non-voyagers. The Voyagers are missing a lot of little bits for the sake of cost and if you're buying a meme gun you might as well go all the way.
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>>40911947
>missing a lot of little bits
That sounds ominous.
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>>40905396
How much?
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>>40901691
If you like the BAR design, and it's not a bad one, I would look at the FNAR. It's a police marksman rifle more than it is a battle rifle, it's apparently a bit more complicated to take down and it has some features that lend it more to a police sniper rifle than a battle rifle (complicated field strip, more susceptible to sand/mud/etc., no irons or bayonet lug) but it is an exceptionally accurate semi auto rifle for a really reasonable price.
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How does one into battle rifle if you live in NY?

>Inb4 just move lol
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>>40911995
The Voyager has cost savings measures like not being cut for a carry handle, a much simpler fixed rear sight, no provision for a folding stock, etc.
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>>40851462
Just wanted to share my experience with Adams Arms.

Bought an AASF-308 second hand. Had cycling issues. Reached out to support. Sent prepaid label. Had it back in a week. New barrel, new buffer spring, new bolt spring, and new BCG (for shits).

Didn’t cost me a dime.

I paid $700 for the rifle.

They really stand behind their shit and I had a great customer service experience.
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>>40912453
Oh yeah, the replaced the gas block too.
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>>40912071
>no provision for a folding stock
That's a lower receiver thing, so even a normal fixed-stock FAL from them is going to require a bunch of new parts to mount a folding stock. The big changes are
>no lightening cuts in the receiver
>no bipod cut barrel
>fixed rear sight
>no carry handle cut in receier
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Hey guys im building my fal and the gas regulator does not want to budge. and advice?
Also my piston spring did not come out with the piston and is still in the tube, should I be worried?
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>>40912791
Gas regulator went after some love but now my gas tube will not move. I tool out the pin and it still wouldn't turn.
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>>40903670
Just got it. The guy in the parking lot still had it new in the box, with the original paperwork including the sale price. The guns only a few years old and doesn’t look like it’s been shot much at all and he sold it for literally less than half what he bought it for.

Must’ve been desperate, I doubt it’s stolen. But now I’ve got a Basically new PTR91 pistol for $650. Super giddy to shoot.
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>>40914142
>Must’ve been desperate,
Maybe he was just trained by vidya to always sell stuff for half of what he paid for it.
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>>40914142
fuuuuck what a good deal
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>>40912791
sell your FAL and buy food you skeleton
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As long as we're on the subject of short .308 rollerlocks:
Hypothetically, if an HK telestock-style "arm brace" existed for G3-pattern pistols, would it be nicer to shoot with than the meat tenderizer stock?
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>>40914396
I just knew I had to jump at it.
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>>40914430
I assumed they already existed. That’s my end goal anyway. Or some sort of folder brace.
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>>40852193
In fuck you my name is John Smith and I am trying to use my draft keyboard on my pink pixel six
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Anyone ever buy from Guns America? Is it legit or is this where I lose everything
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>>40851462
What's the deal with EBR's?

Why were they so special?
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>>40914450
Only for MP5s, unfortunately.
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Why does the military want their DMR's so short?

13.5" 7.62x51 can't be very effective for reaching out past rifleman range and I doubt high precision, high lethality "hostage" situations requiring DMR's at short range are very common

it's not like BR's are going to suck any less for CQB - spraying is just more effective than tapping
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>>40914630
1. minimize the length and weight of the weapon with a suppressor
2. minimize the length and weight of the weapon, period
3. 13.5" is plenty for the "Hey, shoot that specific guy over there" shots that a Designated Marksman will be taking
4. make the DM blend in better with the rest of the squad so enemy DMRs and snipers don't shoot him first
5. reaching out past rifleman range is what JDAMs are for, lol
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>>40914450
I would make it a SBR with a solid stock. It may be a shortboi but it's still a bigboi caliber. That buffer will improve your experience. Even with the $200 stamp you're getting a PTR for less than they are selling them for.
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>>40914518
I haven't but it seems like a glorified armslist for FFLs.
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>>40914685
Plus, spending $350+ on a stamp, passport photos, fingerprinting, and a G3 stock guarantees that in the meantime a G3 shoulder brace will come out for the rest of us.
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>>40914696
There's an auction on there for a new 17S for 2500.. but he has zero history and only accepts Money Order..feels sketch
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>>40912071
Its cut for a carry handle but doesn't come w one.
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>>40914741
Nope, absolutely not. There is not one legit FFL on the planet that only deals in money orders. Fuck, that goes for businesses in general.
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>>40914741
Don't do it m8
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>>40914741
NYET NYET, Abort anon its not real.
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>>40914403
Never
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Thanks guys you're right, I backed off. Now it's gone so either it was removed or some poor soul just got screwgied.
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>>40917182
Its okay anon you'll get one eventually and join the club.
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>>40917404
i like everything on that gun except for that extended charging handle. im sure its very functional, just looks weird sticking out that far
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>>40917404
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>>40912041
It comes with 20r proprietary box mags, right?

Yeah, that's a bummer. I'd recco the Browning BAR 3 DBM instead if that's what you're looking at.
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>>40917413
Its a bit odd to look at but I assure you its far more comfortable to use then the stock charging handle is, and its pretty hard to have your finger slip off it accidentally compared to stock.
>>40917417
Just get it from BDU, tis where I got mine.
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>>40917440
Wat's BDU?
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>>40917404
>A2 grip
What were they thinking
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>>40912011
$940
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>>40917837
Its a site that you have to be a member of to buy stuff from but things are big discount. costco of guns essentially. [spoiler]Big daddy unlimted btw[/spoiler]
>>40917955
Yeah I fucking hate it, its on my list of parts to replace. That and get a giessele trigger group.
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>>40851462
>PTR GIR
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/ptr-gi-r-308-rifle-paddle-mag-release

Is this a solid purchase? I really don't know about hk style battle rifles.
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>>40918191
So I've spent the past couple weeks researching and reading about an HK-style. Generally speaking, you can go really cheap and grab a Century (which will be a coin toss on functionality), you can get a PTR which have a pretty solid reputation and a decent warranty, you can get a parts kit and have an armor build you one, or you can go hunting for a pre-ban and drop a lot of money.

I personally decided to go with the PTR. It's more expensive than an Century but all the reviews I've seen of them have been largely positive. Except for nutnfancy. He hated it. It was shipped yesterday and should arrive tomorrow. I will provide feedback as best I can.

I think the G3 is a really cool platform and apparently it's good enough that some Scandies are still sending their troops downrange with them assigned as a psuedo-DMR role.
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>>40918090
Too bad LaRue doesn't make a SCAR trigger for half of the guysnamedlee trigger.
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PSAR10 for 630 shipped right no
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>>40918393
yeah the $330 price tag is tough to swallow when I'm trying to save for an Elcan or some other 1-6, still haven't decided what I really wanna put on it. still trying to decide between a bcm kinesthetic grip or just like a handstop/stubby for the front rail.
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>>40918441
Still think you should get the PA 1-8x platinum so you're not replacing glass every year from the abuse.
https://youtu.be/nl51ISZMMmk
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Where do you guys buy your bulk ammo?
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>>40903670
Elvis did it better
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>>40918566
Thanks anon, I'll add it to my list of possibles.
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>>40918762
Poor Elvis
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>>40912041
I like it. Thank you for the input. Looking into it now. Seems hard to come by.
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>>40918863
Actually wait for the Brownells 1-8x, made in the same factory and updated features
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>>40918762
He truly was The King
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>>40918275
Nutnfancy shat all over the Steyr AUg because it wouldn't run the shitty Tula .223 steel case he brought with him that day to the range. For the record, I've had the same ammo fail the same way (failure to extract) in both AR's as well as AK's chambered in .223/5.56. It's hard to take a guy's critiques seriously when he can't discern the difference between a bad gun and bad ammo. It would be like shitting on a classic Mustang because you filled the tank with bunker oil and it didn't run.
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>>40920833
>plastic garbage trigger
If guysnamedlee made a trigger for it I'd buy one
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>>40918441
poor baby can't afford a $330 trigger for his $3500 MSRP rifle
the trigger it comes with is fine; optic your shit up first, senpai
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>>40921099
No booly anon, I'm planning on optic first but I still want a better trigger.
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>>40919596
Ian and Karl are doing a terrible job shilling for Brownells; I hadn't even heard of this until now.
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>>40921545
Looks like it's gonna be a great tube and cheaper than the PA
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>>40920861
i know they had a prototype, i dont know if theyre serious about making one though
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>>40921866
It's 3-18x50
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>>40922198
big gay
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:(
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>>40923558
What's wrong? Scrape your knuckles on your QD levers again?
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>>40922198
For the PRS guys I guess. 5-25x one too. PA it is I guess.
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>>40918191
Yes. It's what I have. I paid about 30 bucks less a year ago for mine but today most places are out of stock so that's a good price.

With that rifle you get:
Ability to shoot steel cased ammo
Cheap $4-$5 mags
PTR lifetime warranty.
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>>40894761
you rang?

its really fun to shoot, its painful and horrible for everyone around you.
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>>40923954
More like your ears rang
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>>40879829
I put in an HK21 buttplate and a big fuckoff brake on mine so shooting it is maximum comfy
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>>40923558
Not mine that’s wats wrong. Tired of this shit
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>>40924748
sorry i didnt realize you asked about collapseable stock because im retarded
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>>40923600
>>40924757
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>>40851462
/brg/ I had an M1A National Match stolen from me and sold for heroin(by step family). I barely had 1000 rounds through it
>was my first gun I bought
>the police are completely disinterested pursuing it despite being told who stole them
>also gone, a 4K TV and built Mossberg 500
It's been almost 9 months and I wake up every day expecting a call from the police saying they found them.
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>>40924815
Jesus buddy, that’s rough as hell. Sorry to hear... love both those firearms too. Do you have any photos at least, to share?
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>>40924815
RIP in peace your M1A
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Anyone know what case this is
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What's the best deal on a PTR91 right now? Specifically want the GIR.
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>>40925304
ITT
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>>40923954
Almost perfect
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>>40925579
>deadcats
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Am I cool yet BRG?
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>>40926255
Contacts? Jewelry kit in console? Is that an inhaler?
Yeah man you’re cool asf
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>>40926102
I unironically was going to buy this but I thought better of it
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>>40926830
Dog chain, contacts, no inhalers.
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>>40924815
did you have everything covered by insurance?
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>>40928973
>>40928973
>>40928973
AFFIX BAYONNES
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>>40917404
I actually really like this scar. Good job anon.



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