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Big
Bavarian
Caliber EDT
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>>40774655

*sigh* I'd love to have an HK91 for $766.
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>>40775275
$1,931 in today's dollars
You can buy a PTR91 and the same accessories for cheaper today, but of course it's not REAL HK.
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Why does /brg/ hate the m1a? I think it would be cool to have one with a woodland camo stock.
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>>40775480
it's about springfield
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>>40775480
>>40775525

It's always genuinely not worth the money. People that express this opinion always get shouted down by fudds and fetishists but the Springfield M1A is not worth $1200.

If it was like $800 maybe I'd be all over it but if I pay $1200 base for something it better not have an FTE or FTF every thirty rounds. I better not have to worry about the gas system working itself loose either.

I could get over those things if it was priced like a C308 because that's basically what I'd compare it to quality-wise. Not terrible, just also not worth 3/4 of a paycheck.
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>>40775525
Oh, their political bs. That makes sense and I agree with it.
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>>40775355
The real HKs have much rougher triggers than PTRs, pretty much the only thing better on them was the finish, I’d still rather have my PTR any day.
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>>40775791
Nonsense. I have a real G3, and the trigger (and overall quality) is better than any PTR I’ve shot.
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>>40775480
its gets dogged on but more for what they forced the rifle into, than what it was made for
>great battle rifle, improved garand
>can be accurized
>doesnt like to stay that way
>full retard just for kicks
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>>40776043
it gets dogged on because it's not as good as the FAL and America shafted the FAL because "muh Murican made rifle"
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>>40776062
>not as good as the FAL
like, just your opinion, man
>America shafted the FAL
true
>"muh Murican made rifle"
USA USA USA USA USA
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>>40775861
And my mileage is different, every HK I’ve shot that didn’t have a custom trigger pack in it had a +12 lbs pull and every trigger without fail was gritty as fuck. The stock trigger on my PTR is miles ahead in comparison.
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>>40775861
I'd have to agree with >>40776141 and say that when I got a G3 trigger pack, one of the first things I did was replace it with my PTR one. Just seemed smoother and more enjoyable to use.
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Since /arg/ was entirely unhelpful, Ill try my luck here.

Whats a good way to sell a gun? Got an ar10 I barely use and I got raped by taxes so Im thinking of selling it.
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>>40776769
What state are you in? There’s gun forum sites out there for every state and they’ll have a for sale section.
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>>40776827
Kansas, think I found something like what youre talking. Seems pretty small.
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>>40776895
Lol y’all have a low population. Texas has at least 3 busy forums with people buying/selling. It’s always Houston fags though.
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>>40776938
Youre not wrong. Maybe Ill get lucky and someone will snatch it up.
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>>40776769

You need skulls on it.

Just be honest with your parts list and be prepared for some low ball offers. You should also sell it for at most 80% of its original cost if you actually want offers or to even sell it.
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>>40776769
What brand is it and how much do you want for it?
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>>40775590
>FTE or FTF every thirty rounds
The don't buy a Norinco. I've had 0 issues with my SA standard.
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>>40776895
What do people do for fun in Kansas? I drive around it so I don't an hero.
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>>40778389
Mine was a Springfield too, one that was used and cared for by the book. SA mags and everything. Still ran like shit.
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>>40777348
Diamomdback DB10ELB,little less than 200 rounds through it. Was thinking 800 for the gun, optic, bipod, and sling.

>>40778476
Jack off, vidya, animu. Good amount of people obsess over sports.
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>>40779168
>$800
Not him but having just quickly googled it, it might sell at that price eventually to an idiot but take all the shit off of it and sell it for $100-$200 less if you want it to move within the next 4 months.
This is going to come off as harsher than I intend it but seriously a rule of selling guns (riced out cars too) that people wish didn't apply to them but does; no one wants the cheap shit you slapped on your gun and they sure as hell aren't going to pay an extra $100 to get it.
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>>40779205
Nah, thats fair. Was kinda hoping to be able to keep all that anyway for once I can replace it.
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>>40779259
>hoping to be able to keep all that anyway for once I can replace i
I unsarcastically hope it moves quick, you pay that tax shit off, and get a new one, .308 bro.
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Anyone have or use a BM59?
>>40779168
Same here I guess
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Is the HK collapsing stock any good?
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>>40781028
For the G3?
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What do you think about a this build for an > 2000$ .308 AR? Optics are not included
Also not sure whether 18” or 20”
M5 reciever set w parts kits 400, handguard 200, MBT2 trigger 90, buffer kit and melonited gas tube under 100, Magpul UBR GEN2 stock 150, K2 grip 35, used KAC rear and magpul pro front irons 125, nitrided Bcg 200, Harris bipod w mount for 50. Match barrel for 400. Adjustable gas block 90.
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>>40781749
I actually lowballed a legit Harris but you can get knock offs for 50. I have an Atlas bipod and love it but it's Gucci
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Previous for chain of custody
>>40748356
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>>40774655
>Big
>Bavarian
>Caliber EDT
when your forced as shit meme finally catches on
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>>40781874
Imagine if all Germans were Bavarian Chads instead of virgins.
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>>40782208
one can only dream
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>>40778757
The only place I ever hear of these issues is on /k/. Why doesn't this happen to anyone else?
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>>40781028
If it’s an HK variant and in any other caliber that’s not 7.62 nato, they’re fine.

If it is 7.62, you could toughen yourself up while waiting for it to ship by repeatedly hitting yourself with a meat tenderizer in the shoulder, for how comfortable those stocks are.
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>>40782431
It doesn't take much looking to find people with similar complaints. I could LMGTFY but it's really not worth the joke.
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>>40782405
That nuke zone is a bit small
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Anyone bought a Garand from CMP? Really want one but Im curious about the quality of their refurbishes.
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>>40782973
Couple people here have. The ones look really nice.
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>>40783057
Are they functional as well? Seems like they should be but conaidering that theyre refurbished I have to question how reliable they are.
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>>40776895
You can try midwestguntrader.com. it's like a smaller version of armslist
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>>40776769
sell it on armslist you fuckin newfag like wtf?
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in for Bavarian posting.
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>>40775791
>>40776141
>>40776404
PTR/JLD has/have been refining the finalized G3 design almost longer than HK did. It makes sense that their modern production version has subtle improvements here and there.
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>>40783148
Didn't mention they weren't and CMP doesn't sell broken guns
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>already have a high end clone of a G3 and FAL
>want to buy either HK91 or FN FAL

Which one would you buy?
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>>40783684
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>>40783968
yea I was bidding on that up to 4895. theres another used one on there opening bid for 4995 I may bid on.
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>>40783968
>>40784305
>https://www.gunbroker.com/item/801124567

I am hoping it doesnt sale and I can email him an offer for 4500 outside of gunbroker.
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bump because intermediate is for cucks.
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let your rifle stretch it's legs
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>>40774655
Does anyone here rock mismatched furniture on their G3? Like a mix of Tropical and OD?
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>>40784353
Jealous. Pretty damn slick.
What are the odds of more being imported diluting the value?
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>>40776141
It makes sense. Military/police always get shitty triggers dont they?
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>>40786190
Yeah, it really isn’t too noticeable unless you’re good at picking stuff out like that, I did it unintentionally, I just wanted the wide green hand guard.
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>>40783659
This. They work, even the field grade ones are well within the Army’s tolerances for muzzle/throat wear, just a little tougher looking in terms of appearance. Service grade will be nicer but still likely to have mix-matched parts. Mine’s a 1944 Springfield with an IHC trigger group and gas block. No idea what this marking on the stock means.
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>>40786551
>Absolute Death Machine
Thats what I figured, still good to have it confirmed though.
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>>40781028
The one they call the meat tenderizer? Gee i dont know.
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>>40786262
Are you fucking stupid? Look here noob. Lurk more. Shut the fuck up and observe and learn.
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How the fuck do I get a L1A1?
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What's the best way to clean the inside of a PTR receiver? I've seen folks use a brush on a drill to apply CLP in there, so what's a good way to implement that to just clean shit out of there?
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>>40786873
Aquire currency
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>>40787499
I have currency
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>>40787886
Hopefully in Indian shekels if you want an L1A1
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>>40786919
Non-chlorinated brake clean is a good way to clean any part of any gun that is too small or hard to reach. Assuming you haven't let any carbon cake on to the point of hardening into cement. Just make sure it's non-chlorinated. The regular brake clean is too harsh on plastics and woods and finishes, etc...
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>>40774655
Are you fucking stupid? H&K is located in Baden Württemberg, not fucking Bayern du scheißefressender Ami.
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>>40787953
>not fucking Bayern
yet
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anybody know what handguard this is?
also - is the DSA pistol controlable? I'm not expecting amazing groups - i just want to be able to hit a man-sized target at 300yds
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>>40789312
The short gas system halves the accuracy according to one guy's test. Went from 2 to 4 MOA
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>>40776769
if you don't need the money just wait until a political fear panic buy season and profit at a gun show or sell now for a loss. I saw retards buy wasr's for $1k a couple years ago, it'll happen again.
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>>40789970
jesus, for a $2k rifle thats abysmal
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quick /brg/ a guy on my local armslist has a ptr91 gi edition for 850$, should i buy now or hope to get a better deal next weekend at a gun show
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My friend needs a barrel to complete his Israeli light barrel FAL kit. What is the compatibility with barrels like here? My Chilean contract kit came with a barrel so I never needed to research anything like this.

Is any FAL barrel compatible with this? I figure since it's going to be (probably) a DSA barrel going into a DSA upper, there shouldn't be an issue. Do Israeli light barrels have any aesthetic or functional differences from generic FN style barrels?

Also, are there any other sources for new barrels other than DSA? Looks like DSA has them for nearly $300, while most sites have them for roughly $150 but they're all sold out.
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>>40791295
Its a battle rifle w irons form the 40s shooting surplus ammo idk what to tell you. I wouldn't want a FAL in anything under 16" and can put the full length gas system. Maaybe a pinned 14".
Just get a DSA Congo
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>>40791241
Brownell's needs to start making that handguard/bipod combo for thier retro line. I'd wager they would sell a lot.
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poorfag posting:

What optic would you put on a PTR 91 with a welded rail? I want an ACOG but jesus christ that's expensive. Maybe I'll settle for a cheap primary arms optic for now.
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>>40792676
I want that whole front end. Handguard, bipod, and that sexy grenade launcher/bayonet lug/flash hider combo.
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>>40792723
Chitanium----> Primary arms---> Vortex---->Gucci brands. You get what you pay for with glass, but PA/vortex seems to hit the quality/value ratio about right for the poors.
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>>40774655
best raifu ever
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>>40792723
Just get a used 556 one for 600
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>>40792437
the threading will match. Always at the very least spin a used barrel that comes with your kit in a lathe to check it for straightness. 90% of the time the kit barrels are bent and its a much better idea to build with a new barrel.
https://discord.gg/g9rkfS
Most of the cut up guns were loaded with forklifts or tractors and that is how they got rekt. The biggest obstacle is going to be timing it correctly. Do some research as there are many different methods for home brew, and get a barrel vise or build a task specific barrel wrench.
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>>40783659
>>40786551
Any advice on passing the reqs? Only CMP affiliates around me are high school clubs or wait listed invite only clubs for rich people.
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>>40792875
where can I get that wood?
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>>40792379
If it has the paddle mag release then go for it.
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>>40792900
honestly I'd probably sell it to you, I'm converting to green wides but havn't found a matching stock yet and tired of ordering and gambling.
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>>40792882
https://tsra.com/join/ Don't have to be from Texas, you can join and it counts. That's how I got mine.
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>>40792379
Do you ever see a deal that good at your local gun show? Because I don't.
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>>40792978
Awesome, thank you
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>>40787953
1. maybe
2. eh, its in germany
3. this badass German bro told me Bavaria is best Germany
4. if Bavaria wasnt so cool, how do explain this map? >>40782405
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>>40792657
I dunno man, the AR10 is from the 50's, same with the G3, neither struggle to get 1-2" MOA accuracy with shorter barrels. Or the scar
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>>40789970
Is that accuracy drop off on both 8" and 11" guns?
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>>40792926
What kind of stock would you need?

I have a green stock and grip I'd be willing to sell.
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>>40791241

Based and redpilled. AR-10 Master Race coming through.
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>>40792997
bought it thanks anon
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>>40794332
Can't remember which barrel he swapped.
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>>40787903
The buildup isn't heavy at all, it's just been a week and half since I went shooting. I cleaned the BCG and barrel real well, but the receiver I just took some paper towel to it. I was mostly asking for some recommended apparatus to stick on a drill or something to sweep the inside quickly.
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>>40793345
>AR10 "from the 50s", G3
>1-2 MOA
>with short barrels
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>>40793316
Bavaria is the equivalent to Texas - loud, obnoxious and actually a shithole, shrouded by the superiority complex of its people that desparately try to trick you into thinking that it's actually worthwhile living there. Besides that, only Norddeutscher Bund is true Germany. Everyone else are just drunkards and braggarts.
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>>40792379
since i’m now /brg/ what’s the best surplus or name brand ammo for the best price?
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>>40796987
keep telling yourself that brüssel piefke, there are reasons why everbody thinks germany = lederhosn, maybe if you get your act together and display some effort in culture then you might get recognized as your own bundes"""land"""
>inb4 muh napoleon
>inb4 muh religion
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Anyone able to identify this handguard?
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>>40796919
Seemed suspect to me too desu
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>>40782881
you ever put that longer wing of the guitar up ur pooper
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>>40799923
No just my wife's. Got to take the hardware off first
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>>40774655
>Bavarian
H&K is in Wurttemberg tho.
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>>40797579
Old DSA quads
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>>40775525
That's fair

>>40775590
>it better not have an FTE or FTF every thirty rounds.
The notion that they're less reliable than other .308 BRs is a complete myth. Your HK shits the bed and you send it back, get it fixed, and say "I got a dud, shit happens." Your M1A has an FTF with one type of mag and it's REEEEEEEEEEE M14 hate circlejerk.

>I better not have to worry about the gas system working itself loose either.
The gas system is solid AF. You ever taken one apart? You gotta torque it properly like any other mechanical device with moving parts, that's it.

Anyway I get why people wish they were more accurate out of the box, really. I mean you pay 1500 for a rifle and hope it shoots better than 4 MOA. But if you're willing to put in a little work and about $150 more you can get an MOA or better rifle that is pretty rugged, nice to shoot with minimal recoil, great sights, looks great, and avoids the commie AWBs. And there's something really rewarding about doing these tweaks yourself.

Also if you care about weight, you can get the 18" under 8 lbs by changing the stock, buttpad, muzzle device, and removing the scout rail.
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>>40801765
>Your HK shits the bed
Er I meant FAL, which is known for FTF as well as mediocre accuracy. But somehow these things are fine bc Rhodesia
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>>40796987
Texas actually isn't a shithole though. Fiercely independent and liberty-oriented, but also industrious, wealthy, innovative, and pragmatic.
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>>40801903
>Charging handle is in an unergonomic location that nobody can use
>Rifle is a pain in the ass to clean and care for
>Bolt is annoying to reassemble
>100m sight is worthless
>Rollers are the width of a hair out of spec
>Rifle self implodes
>Guns are so ridiculously expensive nobody can actually shoot them, which in turn covers up the flaws of the rifle

Such is the life of German engineering.
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>>40802245
You're talking about the HK 93?
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>>40802245
HK91
>HK slap

FAL
>No HK slap

Can we accept the superiority of german engineering now?
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>>40802295
Doing the slap actually damages the shelf that the handle sits in eventually leading to it breaking. Great engineering indeed,
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>>40802295
You're not supposed to slap them so it's actually bad engineering
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>>40802272
93 or 91, doesn't really matter desu.
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>>40791241
My dick is indeed quite hard
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>>40794450
Missing and ghostpilled nothing race coming through.
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>>40802302
>>40802435
This is just fuddlore. Go look it up, it's meant to be slapped. It'll wear like any other part, but if you need to slap it 10,000 times, you've probably already worn some other part of the gun down by shooting it.
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>>40804409
There have been breads on this board of German soldiers being trained not to, this being said by former and current Bundeswehr troops. Literally what >>40802302 this anon said, the shelf where you lock the charing handle back onto will break after a while of doing it.
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>>40794450
i put this bitch on a diet
>am i still kawaii?
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>>40802302
>>40804514
>the shelf will break
So you're saying this section of the cocking tube that has a reinforcing coupler welded in place over it sheers off? A steel tube inside of another steel tube forms a uniform crack and pops off because you tapped it too many times?
If the sheet metal used on the receiver is so prone to cracking shouldn't the rear of the ejection port, that gets slammed by a shell casing every shot, crack long before the cocking tube becomes a problem?
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>>40805443
When was cracking ever mentioned, troglodyte? It sheers off. Do you see the little lip in your photo? That gets worn down over time. Its metal getting slammed into by another piece of metal.

Also for your viewing pleasure two different armies not slapping the charging handle like an ape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz9PVuDLvbc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQNEIJJXHlY
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>>40803580
Tasty. Are you a load all your mags kind of guy?
>>40804514
This desu. HK fanboys BTFO.
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>>40805319
How much did she lose b4 you loved her?
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>>40807093
it feels like it lost almost a half pound, and mostly from the front
im happy with the rail but triggered at the seller. was posted at 13.7in, would have been out to the roll pin at least. get it and max length is 13.5 on the ears. now i gotta buy an adj. gas block
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Did that buyer's guide ever get put together? I have about a thousand questions on buying a FAL and the FAL Files is about as charming as AK Files.
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>>40807300
Well good work. These girls can get thicc.
>>40808893
No but it should get made. What questions do you have
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Happy bday /brg/
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>>40808893
>the FAL Files
The marketplace is great but yeah the site is mostly boomers.
What questions have you about the FAL? I have a parts kit l1a1.
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>>40810219
I'm just trying to get an idea of all the options. I keep hearing bad things about DSA, Heavy Armor Div, etc. Looking at GB I just see pre-bans that are prohibitively expensive, and kit builds that are being sold be some rando in South Dakota.
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>>40805655
Yeah, I've long since abandoned leaving the handle in the notch during the reloads. Not so much because I give a fuck about wear-and-tear, but rather because it's faster to reload without doing the slap. The only real drawback to the technique is that it's a little harder to stuff a full mag when the bolt is closed.
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>>40810278
Most of the anti dsa shilling is overblown and they have a good warrenty on non voyagers
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>>40810278
Old dsa has a decent rep. I've not shot new DSA or Voyagers so can't really comment. I personally wouldn't buy a FAL without a carry handle though.
>>40810291
I'm not a g3/ptr fag but isn't that bad for the mag feedlips, of which I am eternally jealous of the price?
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>>40810278
DSA is fine, especially if you're new to FALs and don't know enough to shop around for a good parts kit. They have a really good warranty so you're not fucked if you do happen to get one of the rare lemons, and based on how mine has performed and the DSAs the other anons have, all the complaints are really overblown.

The only real thing to complain about is the cast receivers, which have a marginally shorter life than a forged one. But even that's not a huge deal, as we're still talking long enough in the future that you'd have worn out multiple barrels and casting was something even FN was doing at the end of FAL production.
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>>40810278
DSA has several known issues. Listen to mark at ARS. He might be an ass, but he knows his shit better than any other FAL guys. He’s currently repairing my new DSA receiver that has an incorrect magwell. Thankfully the rest of the receiver is fine (no warping, LS hole is in spec and not oversized).
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>>40810482
>isn't that bad for the mag feedlips
Nah. The bolt and the carrier have channels cut out in them so that the mag feed lips don't contact it. The design may be loose enough where they kind of pump each other when the gun is cycling after firing a round, but that has nothing to do with the way the magazine is exchanged.
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>>40810307
>>40810482
>>40810600
>>40810615
Anyone have experience with Heavy Armor Div? Their prices are great but that kinda worries me if DSA can’t make a decent FAL for 2200.
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>>40774655

And then imports ban came in and fucked everything. No more Genuine Glorious German Engineering for us lads...
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>>40810814
Never heard of them and not seeing any fal builds for sale on their site.
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>>40810911
https://store.heavyarmordivision.com/category-s/129.htm
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>>40810927
I wouldn’t call type 3 coonan the highest quality (though I do like mine, that’s what I used for my g1 build pictured above).

That receiver is like $350-$400. The imbel kits are ~$400-$500. So basically you’re paying an extra $700-$900 for a couple 922r parts (fuck that shit), assembly, and cerakote work.

If you’re going to spend that kind of money, you’d be much better off buying an imbel kit, an imbel receiver (they go for $700-1k) and sending it to ARS or building it yourself
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>>40806542
I generally load enough to grab and gun. So 5-7 loaded mags for my smallNATO AR(s). Prob fill up a few of the 25s with M80 once the rifle gets here.
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>>40811049
>an imbel receiver (they go for $700-1k)
THOSE WERE LMT PRICES!!
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>>40811113
I usually keep mine all filled so I always have 1k I "forget" about when reupping ammo cache. Well for 556. Still need another 15 10mm Glock mags and 20 FAL mags. Gets pricy
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>>40803580
How do you like the magtech ammo?
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>>40812181
Haven't gotten the rifle to shoot it yet. Waiting on LMT. It's very well made, just like their M193 (CBC or Magtech). If it has a small velocity spread like the 5.56 I'll be very happy. All the data I could find online indicates it does.

>>40812103
First world problems homeskillet. I have a "if you can get it, get it" policy towards ammo right now. Not sure it will ever be as cheap as it is right now in the future. Well worth stockpiling as many thousands as you can a year until the luck runs dry.
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What's the best civilian FAL these days? And why the fuck does everything cost so goddamn much, fuck.
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>>40812358
Tell me about it. 15cpr 9mm too.
Do wish FAL mags were even $15 a piece though. K31 mags are almost $150 bucks
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>>40812961
That's a little absurd. How much are service grade mags?
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>>40813173
Repros are like 60 bucks
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>>40810814
>kinda worries me if DSA can’t make a decent FAL for 2200
but they do make decent FALs, and they'll fix whatever shit yours might have wrong with it free of charge
not sure why the anon above sent it to a 3rd party, DSA has been fixing magwell issues for a good while
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>>40812358
ok, I was looking for some more 5.56 to buy while ammo is cheaper
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>>40814157
Wait for Wolf Gold to go on sale for like 27cpr at Brownells. Best deal on brass plinking.
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>>40814462
oh ok. Target sports usa has it right now for that price and free shipping.
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>>40814537
Do it. I've probably gone through 4k of it and can't think of a single malfunction. Close to 3100fps w 16" IIRC.
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>>40814537
Actually see if their case comes in a 50cal can first. A $15 value.
Because then it's really a deal
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1st time shooting the new bitch inside the factory,Germany. 0.53MOA with handloads and 0,9 with surplus ball.
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>>40815133
What's your handload
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>>40815190
It was a visit at the factory, but I remember its the 175grs Sierra MK HBPT Moly. The gun is all HK without the barrell and locking head (yeah, thats illegal here)
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>>40815240
They're nice bullets. I'd like to see how accurate of a load I could make for my FAL.
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So did ya' all managed to snag your VEPRs before the ban spike sets in?
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>>40815344
Fuck yeah, the same setup was able to make 3x 0.42MOA with this Ammo. But why the Molybdäncoating ?
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>>40815376
Well MoS2 is slippery as shit so probably has something to do w that.
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>>40815389
Possible, i found its reducing air drag for flater shooting
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>>40815403
Well after a quick search its supposed to prevent barrel fouling by coating it with MoS2. Only problem is that will trap whatever is on the barrel surface so you have to clean it then coat it, never brush it (unless you recoat w moly), and only shoot moly bullets out of it to see any benefits and prevent pitting. Guess it was a 90s meme.
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>>40815500
Thx, its time to piss the dealer off :3 Fucking shit, the guns cost 2x-5x more than in US and even the ammo info is incorrect
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>>40815521
I mean in theory it would make the bullets faster and thus flatter shooting etc. But I'm seeing less than 100fps increase so that's basically with in cheap ammo standard deviation.
The barrel will definitely pit if water gets trapped under the moly coating.
How much do they cost there? Are there open to the public ranges in Germany? Or open to tourists? I know Ireland had like 45 day waiting periods for guests and can only shoot club guns and ammo.
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>>40815556
>How much do they cost there? Are there open to the public ranges in Germany?
Just 0,53€ for reloading. So its OK.>>40815556
>Are there open to the public ranges in Germany?
Shooters bring their own ammo to the range, but we can buy what we want (no steel core)like HP, ballistic tip... and shoot it at the range. Only the usuall 7500-9000J limit is the rule for the ranges
>>40815556
>Or open to tourists?
;Mhh, Im sure you can buy it here or even order it.>>40815556
>I know Ireland had like 45 day waiting periods
This country has problems with IRA, bombs and guns... no wonder you have other rules :)
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>>40815590
9k J is what, everything under 50BMG? 416 Weatherby is just under 9k
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>>40815644
Our ranges are short. Mostly 50m so...
We can buy .50BMG or 418Chey,too but only if we shoot the gun
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>>40815664
Here in the northern woods we have to settle for sandpits if we want over 500m, or some powerline corridors, because the trees are so dense. I don't goto ranges but from what I've seen (not much) most are under 300m rifle ranges.
This is neat
https://youtu.be/r5capbhKlVA
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>>40774655
Thanks for the pic/orgasm, Anon. I really needed the motivation to get back to working on my time machine. 1983 yeah
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>>40815133
welches Modell ?
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>>40786304
Doesn't help that the Bundeswehr insisted on a dogshit trigger "for safety", so real G3s were what they were.
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Potential AWB in Illinois made me realize that I need a semi auto in .308. I don't know much about this type of firearm. What are some good companies that make M14 clones? I already know springfield but would prefer an alternative.
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>>40816633
It’s not an M14 but you can get a saiga 308 for like $800 and shoot steel cased goodness all day.
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>>40816680
For that price I'd rather go with a G3 clone but I want something with a large aftermarket so I can upgrade it over time to be a super high end rifle.
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>>40816700
Build an AR-10, shit, if you’re just worried about an AWB buy a couple of lowers and sit on them and then you can make the build as gucci as you want over time.
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>>40816732
That's actually not a bad idea. Can't wait for that tax return.
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I really wish M80 were more accurate, or that there were some other 50cpu round available that didn't just go all over the place at 100y+
I think I'm just going to start buying GM762M2 for plinking ammo, since I probably spend around the same amount or more trying over and over and nail a small target anyway.
I could hit where I actually want to 4-5 times and be happy with that instead of spending 30 rounds and being frustrated
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>>40818425
What's the name of this stock?
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>>40818751
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What sort of rest does /brg/ use when shooting at longer ranges?
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>>40819410
Bipod
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>>40818425
You should test out a bunch of surplus since you have the rifle for it
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>>40816633
If you have money to burn: Fulton armory. All forged, individually accurized, and they offer them in 6.5 Creedmoor. North of 2000 but they're excellent out of the box. You could also just buy a Springfield and replace critical parts/accurize yourself, which would get you similar performance and reliability at a lower price.
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>>40816633
>>40819816
I know you said .308 specifically but I mention 6.5 Creed because it performs better than .308 ballistically
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>>40819740
I probably should. Next order in a month or so will probably be 500 GM762M2 and some small batches of whatever brass surplus i can find.
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>>40819861
Those 175MK pills are great. Should be a great shooting preroll. Buck a round though, 35cpr projectiles.
They're wasted on my FAL but I'd still like to get a box for handloading to see what she'll do. Eventually I'll get an ACOG for her which should help w groups.
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>>40774655
Since this isn't /arg/ I think I'm safe to ask the question and get reasonable responses
What's a good AR-10 to buy?
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>>40820842
Also how good are DSA FALs?
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>>40820842
LMT or KAC are best
If you want something retro-ey Brownells
Troy, Larue, DMPS below those
Basically just get an LMT.
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>>40820842

MP-10 if you just want a good rifle at a fair price.

BRN-10 if you want to LARP.
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>>40820873
DSA is decent. Won't really save you any time (6-8 week lead time on rifles) but if you don't know enough about FALs to shop around for a good build they're a solid choice.
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>>40820899
MP-10 doesn't have the actual Stoner designed AR-10 frame, it's just an upscaled AR15. That said it's probably "good enough" . It takes the SR-25 pattern magazines too so that's a bonus.
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>>40820842
any good builder that offers both an upper and lower combo. at least from there you can barbie the shit outta it. theres plenty of smaller volume makers out there now too if you're wanting to be 'exclusive'
had a set from these folks before they went defunct. liked the design but shot the deflector loose
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Building an AR-10 isn't as easy as building an AR-15 fyi
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>>40821126
That's why I want to buy a fully build one instead
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>>40821343
So yea LMT or Brownells
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>>40821066
They stole a bunch of money from people too
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>>40821379
did they really steal the money or turn the preorders into venture capital? which failed

>>40808893
anyone got thoughts on how it should be laid out?
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>>40821420
They took preorders and never delivered recievers or paid money back
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>>40820908
If you buy them from others there's no wait time. Got mine from Aimsurplus in under 2w.
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>>40821126
How so
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>>40822956
there are way more parts that don't jive with each other in regards to pin lengths, receivers (they're typically sold as a set because of this), and other various stuff you wouldn't usually think twice about like barrel fittings and muzzle device threading. Easy to make a mistake and order something you can't use.
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I have a chance to get a Portuguese G3 (XG3S FMP) in great condition for $1100. Marked as made in Portugal but imported by Pars International. Has little iron crosses on the receiver and all the numbers match. Looks like pic.

Do i do it? I see people on random old forum posts recommending them at the same price from posts like 9 years ago so i assume im g2g?
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>>40823275
yea do it. I want to get a Sendra made Portuguese AR-10
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>>40823322
Thanks bro, i wish you luck. From what i have gathered, just saying that those are hard to find is a vast understatement.
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>>40823514
They actually do pop up on Gunbroker, I've seen two around 10k in the last few months.
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>>40801903
Rhodies had fuck tonnes of g3s to.
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>>40823254
What's the deal w barrel fitment? Recievers I knew
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>>40792676
I want that adjustable gas block sight tower.
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>>40820947
>it's just an upscaled AR15.

That's true for practically all "AR-10" rifles these days. This is why I prefer the term .308 AR instead.
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Hesse receivers for FAL have a decent rep? I see a couple on GB from time to time.
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>>40825766
Negative ghostrider
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How's the cabin fever doing boyos? Started to see the ground in spots and got sad, luckily getting more snow.
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>>40825103
Not entirely sure, I have read that the SR25 barrel fitment uses a different design than Armalite AR10b
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>>40825562
Not the ones actually worth buying
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>>40827260
nah. They're all different enough from each other where major components are not compatible with original AR-10 designs anyway.
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>>40827327
Look at the way the receiver on a BRN-10 LMT or SR25 is designed, then look at the MP-10 or Armalite 10b. There are major differences, and it's not the LMT's and KACs and BRNs that run into reliability issues. The differences are immediately obvious.
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>>40827327
I mean if you want to get that anal about it a lot of stuff isn't compatible with the original AR15 design now either. The SR25 platform can be considered the true AR10 now since it was designed by Stoner.
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>>40827109
Cabin fever check, able to see the ground negative. More snow on the way check.
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>>40827407
Moved towards the coast it kills all the snow. So depressing, luckily it doesn't take long to get back to snow
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>>40819816
James River Armory also makes M1A's with forged receivers. I don't know what the general consensus on quality is but their price falls between Fulton and Springfield.
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>>40818425
It's a real shame that Hornady doesn't make their .308 Steel Match any longer. 155 gr BTHP match grade bullet with quality powder in a Russian made steel case for cost savings. Would have been perfect for my PTR-91
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>>40827544
I was really looking for an accurate FMJ round desu
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>>40823275
Portuguese and Greek made licensed production G3's are great rifles, and that price is too good to say no to.
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>>40827560
I have some Saltech Swiss 7.62x51 milsurp ammo that is probably the most accurate 150 grain (or maybe 149 grain, I can't remember and it's negligible) ammo I have ever shot. I'm not sure if there is any of it floating around out there, Hirtenberger is great as well.
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>>40827672
sgammo has both of those right now, between 50-55cpu
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>>40827109
I've had cabin fever since I came to uni. No guns, no woods, and no outdoors except to change classes.
I want to go home to my guns, my cat, and the forest
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>>40827672
Which do you think is the more accurate?
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>>40803580
Why get half and half 20 and 25s? Why not all 25s?
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>>40828234
>going to a school not in a woods.
>going to a school that doesn't let you keep your guns in your room.
>not doing it anyway.
You played yourself
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>>40777063
yeah, having tried to sell firearms before, the community is HYPER lowballers. Maybe the .308 market's better, but, anything in the intermediate calibers market seems to just dredge up the worst kind of tirekickers. Fuck that.


Additionally, what does BRG think about an M1 Garand tanker with BM-59 parts (not a Fed Ord garbage system)? I'm thinking about an ultra shorty .308 carbine and it's making my peepee hard.

>>40782431
/k/ - .308 shooters and older shooters especially - do a lot more shooting than your average, buy and shoot once a month shooters. It's easy to see problems with a particular weapon if it's used a lot. Also STALKER larps.
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>>40828198
what's it called if we want to look it up?
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>>40830121
Yeah it's not easy to say that shit when the school I'm at is paying me to be here
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Looking at a NIB PTR that I think is several years old since its marked CT from before they moved to SC. The rifles ~5 years ago are just as good as new production ones right? And it doesn't have a paddle release, idk if that should be a deal breaker.
It's like $250 less than the same model made this year.
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>>40831803
That's good because otherwise college is a total meme. t. went to college
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>>40774655
Can the G3 and HK33 handle modern high pressure ammo?
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What are you reading /brg/?
Just finished Sun and Steel by Mishima which you all should read (or audiobook on YouTube cuz paperback costs 4 FAL mags or 60 G3 mags).
https://youtu.be/CfwsEM9oC3U
Finally finished Ulysses in one go. It's pretty fucking meme can't say I'd recc it.

Looking for something new, anyone read Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife: Counterinsurgency Lessons from Malaya and Vietnam? Or The Great Betrayal: memoirs of Ian Douglas Smith? Feel like I should read about the wars of the mid 20th century while the people there are still alive.
I should probably finish SOG: The Secret Wars of America's Commandos in Vietna before buying more books though. It was pretty brutal, watching your buddy get gutted and then flamethrowered by a screaming Gook.
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>>40828294
Saltech for sure, don't buy all of it before I can place another order REEEEEEEE
>it's ok I have a source for more Hirtenberger
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>>40834056
Depending on how hot you are talking you might consider a new locking lug and an improved recoil buffer, but generally the answer is yes.
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>>40834056
Yes
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>>40834056
Is there anyone that makes those PSG-1 style target adjustable rear sights, or are you stuck paying $800 for ze German original like all of the other PSG-1 parts and accessories?
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>>40776769
hey my dude, I might be interested. feel free to shoot me an email, I would be down to hear the specs.
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>>40832006
No paddle no deal
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>>40818425

I really wish they made a window magazine for .308 for maximum aesthetics
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Q for BRG:

Should I go for smoll muzzlebreak tanker m1 or LONGboi flash hider edition m1 tanker?
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>>40836597
muzzlebreak edition
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>>40836584
You mean a 308 pmag with a window? They do make them, they are 25 Rd mags.
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>>40834342
Shiet but it seems like the Hirtenburger hits harder since it's bimetal and the Saltech is non magnetic.
150 grains > 146 or 147 though I guess
Idunno
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>>40836604
Brakes are nice on 308
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>>40838009
The Hirtenberger is nice stuff, I will say that much. The PMC Korean surplus from the 80's shoot alright but it is dirty as all fuck, so beware AR-10 shooters. I haven't had a chance to shoot any of the GGG Lithuanian or Malaysian ammos that popped up recently, I here good things about both.
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>>40832006
It's a good price for having no paddle. The paddle is pretty important in a shtf scenario.
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>>40812817
Fuck fuck fuck, fuck you.
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Will an optic on a FAL railed dustcover lose zero every time you field strip the rifle and remove the dust cover?
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>>40839925
Not according to DSA
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>>40839925
What optic are you looking at
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>>40792882
Garand Collectors Association, my man.
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>>40832006
>>40835264
Ended up getting a new SC model for $250 more
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Looking for a good bipod for my AR10 build. Been looking at Harris with ARMS, but how is Magpul's line-up?
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>>40841205
Has there been much testing with the magpul one yet? I've not heard much. My friend shot half MOA @100y w a $20 Chinese Harris off Amazon.
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>>40840202
Would it matter?
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Carry handle on g3 clone, yes or no?
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>>40841597
BRs eat scopes. Just curious
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>>40842784
Carry handles are heavy and loud
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>>40842784
No
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>>40812817
>What's the best civilian FAL these days?
FN FAL
>attainable
IMBEL/Argie
>easiest
DSA
>avoid
Century
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Any G3fags wanna swap their wide OD handguard and bipod for my slim OD handguard and Heavy Bipod?
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>>40843822
some might prefer the look but no one wants the slim handguard. it gets hot as fuck way too quickly
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>>40792723
you can get a great acog for $500 on arfcum and tacswap.
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i kinda want a full size ptr91 now so i can play dress up with furniture.
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>>40843839
I shot 3 mags through my PTR with the wide handguard and it got pretty hot. I was rushing through them though. Can't imagine how hot the slim ones get when you're shooting a lot.
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>>40843839
I dunno, I prefer the slim ones myself.
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>>40843822
Where can I get a bipod like that?
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>>40844445
You go shill out anywhere from 5-700 on the Files or HKPro or whatever. They’re rare and expensive.
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>>40844516
That sucks. I want to buy another PTR91 to tacticool out with bipod and foregrip. It would be lame to do that with my gray GI model.
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With the AR10 nearly perfected, the FN SCAR having been out for a while now and the CZ Bren 2 coming soon, is there any real reason to buy an archaic battle rifle like a G3 or FAL anymore?
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>>40844828
Memes
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>>40844828
price point/lack of access to in ban states.

SCARs still cost too much, CZ needs to prove their round 2's not a flop like the first, and ARs are often regulated/quality ones are $$$ Vs. weapons that have been combat proven, have a large aftermarket, and can be had for cheap.
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>>40843913
Is that a pistol or a AOW?
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>>40846220
A cheap AR10 is still going to be better than a CETME/G3/FAL at the same price point.
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>>40848858
yah but an AR10 isn't going to give me the arm muscles carrying around a G3 does.
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Post your x51 recipes. Or do you all shoot milsurp
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>>40848858
the S&W M&P 10 is kind of the entry point of quality AR-10s, which can occasionally be had for under the cost of a PTR (we're ignoring garbage century guns and garbage AR-10s here), but the PTR is still a better deal for REAL NATO on a budget.

Now, if you want to trick your .308 with all kinds of bling or accessories - AR-10 platforms are better.

M1A/upgraded M1s/BM-59s are better for ban states, and parts-kit FALs had the price point and quality that was almost unmatched. FALs have neither now and are mostly for rhodie larp.

>>40849387
Malay L2A2 is p.good.
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>>40849496
Isn't it Berdan primed?
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>>40849387
I shoot cheap Tula and Wolf.
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>>40849496
Let me add, I CAN get a G3-style gun (although ARs are banned by name), so it's honestly easier for me to get a M1/M14 styled gun.

There's also chopped M1 tankers which are legal in 49/50 states in the union, so, I like that too as I move a lot (unfortunately near a lot of liberal shenanigans).
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>>40849533
it is, so don't reload it unless you're 100x a weirdo. Besides, you should be field stripping when you're done at the range, no?
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>>40848858
Depends on what "better" means to you. To some of us, the cheap $3 mags (for G3 rifles) and decades worth of milsurp accessories tweaks our interest. There is also aesthetics to consider. This is /k/ after all.
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>>40849573
Sorry, did you mean....

A E S T H E T I C S?
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>>40849573
So you're saying the M14 is actually the best battle rifle?
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>>40849606
yup
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>>40849630
No
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>>40849496
>Now, if you want to trick your .308 with all kinds of bling or accessories - AR-10 platforms are better.
Also if you want any accuracy better than "minute of paper plate."
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>>40849542
Don't have a PTR so don't shoot steel.
>>40849554
Thought about getting some Berdan primers from Canada. Trade them for Tbone and some cheese.
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>>40849694
you know non PTRs can shoot steel too, right?
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>>40849676
depends on the rifle. FALs are going to be hard to accurize, M14s/M1s CAN be made more accurate (although this requires putting them in a new chassis or greatly increasing their weight), and the G-3 can be fantastic if you have good headspacing and your rollers are in good condition.
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>>40849743
Yeah but those people can afford brass
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Hey need opinions from BRG. I have the opportunity to get a Argentinian FMAP FAL in trade for my 20" psa with vortex optic/mount and 400 rnds of 5.56. Should I do it? Never owned a .308 or BR before. And I dont know jack about the Rosario FALs
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>>40851065
Id do that trade. What Vortex though?
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>>40851103
Strike eagle 1-6x. Love that scope, I almost dont want to give it up. Had it zeroed at 200yds with 1 MOA. But that's the main thing he wants. I got it for $125 since I knew the vortex competitor in 3 gun.
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Reminder I am baking no panic
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>>40851270
I've got one too in a Bobro. Yeah then def do that trade, they're so cheap used. If it was a razor or something I'd be closer to an even trade.
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>>40851462
>>40851462
>>40851462
AFFIX BAYONNES
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>>40775355
I would pay that now for a real HK 91 series

Or braced UMP

Or braced MP5

Or a G-11 copy that take real ammo and mags
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>>40851290
I'm not robbing him am I? Hes a range buddy I made at a gunshow. I was going to throw 500rnds of ak ammo for free and do the same with my entire 5.56 stash on top of my rifle, scope, and mount combo if his FAL seemed in order



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