lets say you had to kill some one. and you had to brake into their home at midnight with a pistol. and they come out with a gun to confront you. what is the gun you are hoping they bring out so you can kill them?
Any pistol.People can't shoot for shit
>>40562502This is true. Any person with less than extensive training and a large amount of adrenaline will have trouble hitting a human size target outside of about 3 yards.
A flintlock so we can engage in an honorable duel of arms
>>40562452>Break into someone's house to kill them.>Hope they have a gun so you CAN kill themYou're actually retarded, aren't you?
>>40562581It’s a good question, what gun would you want someone whose going to shoot you to have?>>40562452An empty one. (Just rack the slide, that’ll scare ‘em away)
>>40562452An AR15. Not only will is jam but if it DOES work it's only a .22 lol.
>>40562604Basicly this. If I want to fight a gun owner I hope it’s a fudd or a woman.
>>40562452if it were a really nice gun you could switch it out for some pos .25 or .22 pistol you had laying around. one of the biggest injustices of reality is that you don't get to loot your legal kills.
>>40562530I think most people who are even somewhat confident can hit someone at less than fucking 10 ft under stressful conditions. It's not like a person is a small target, especially at 9 ft. If you would have said something like 7 yards of even 5 I might agree but I'm not that proficient with my handgun yet but I am confident that even in the most stressful situation i can hit a man sized target at 9 ft
>>40562791>Hit ratios were below 30 percent for gunfights (18 percent) and from long ranges (23 percent from more than seven yards away). However, in cases where suspects did not return fire, NYPD officers hit their targets 30 percent of the time. Accuracy levels were above 30 percent when the target was seven yards away or closer (37 percent).http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/public_information/RAND_FirearmEvaluation.pdf
>>40562604The question is shit. You could simply ask what gun would you want to face in a gunfight, but instead have concocted an idiotic scenario. Go fuck yourself faggot.
>>40562860>NYPD officers hit their targets 30 percent of the timeNYPD officers also have shit training and have to carry guns with 12lb triggers lmao
The best gun for home defense is a ruger 10/22 because .22 lr bounces around in the body
>>40563070This. They act like angry Hornets and just fuck everything up, stinging all the organs.
>>40563070memes aside a 10/22 and 30 round magazine is not the worst choice for home defense.
>>40563334is there some brand of defense 22, super reliable? I know i've seen 22hp before, but there's no way that expands
>>40563334Honestly i'm not all that confident in ruger's bx-25
>>40563365I dunno, probably not. I'd just use whatever feeds reliably.
>>40563375Well I didn't say it was the best choice, just not the worst.
>>40563365cci segmented hollow points fragment very reliablyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDvdjdzB_ro mix and match in your bx25 and you could get a large volume of wound channel and deep penetration
>>40563334I'm trying to kill people that break in not mildly bother them thanks.
is the Mossberg Maverick 88 a decent shotgun? It's so cheap I feel like it should be shit but I have a buddy who has one, shoots it often and says he's never had any problems
>>40562548Another honorable man amongst a sea of ruffians. I tip my hat to you, sir.
>>40564510Shotguns are underrated. I own several bottom of the barrel, $100 Mossberg 500s. No trouble with any
>>40564531sweet, I know what I'm getting with my next paycheck then
>>40562452single shot .22 short derringer. ideally loaded with a shotshell.this is a silly thread.
>>40564457he said 'memes aside'. .22lr is plenty lethal when it's a bunch of them at relatively close range against an unarmored target.
>>40562492This>homeowner blows own finger off clambering a round
>>40562581where do you think you are.I hope they have a USP so the bullets come out backwards.
>>40565146what influences the lethality of a round?while magnum rounds can dump more energy and disrupt more tissue, what makes the .22 more lethal?did the shooter fire more .22s or are .22 shooters more accurate?
>>40562860>NYPD officersThey go to the range about twice a year and have ten-pound triggers on their guns thanks to DeBlasio.
>>40565209 >It's the mayor's fault that the cops are incompetent. >Before this mayor, they were all totally competent.t. bootlicker.
>>4056514610mm not shown because it was off the charts
>>40564798It's not bait I'm just shitposting.
>>40565335It's obvious you've never even fired a gun.
>>40565291QRD on this? Work internet blocks firearm blogs but not 4chan.
>>40563070I heard this unironically about a month ago from a coworker
>>40562860>30%That’s not bad. That’s really not bad at all. 4-5 hits in a 15 round mag dump. Get you through most problems.
>>40562452>defenCeFuck off britbong
>>40563365If I had to use a 10/22 I’d put CCI Stingers in it, or Velociters. Pen isn’t great, but expansion is good and energy isn’t the absolute worst.
>>40565146If I’m reading that right shotgun’s tend to win gunfights.
>>40565396Yes, it literally isn’t on that chart. Probably from a relatively small number of citeable instances.
>>40562722STFU you don't know what you're talking about..22 LR is the deadliest cartridge on the planet. If it hits anywhere on the body, it will ricochet off the insides of the blood vessels and eventually reach the brain. There it will proceed to turn into a miniature blender and turn your brain to mush.
Do you new fags remember this?
>>40563334>not the worst choice for home defenseTrue... But Rimfire dude.
>>40565664Well if you shoot someone at a few yards with 12 gauge buckshot they are probably gonna die. Failure to stop rates are also very important.
>>40562452Potmetal .25ACP is correct answer.
>>40562452Anything with a long barrel
Bolt actions and pump shotguns for HD are for people who get found by crime scene investigators.
>>40569042I second that. FBI stats can actually confirm that the majority of defensive kills by civilian are done with handguns. And for every 10 handgun kills (rough estimate), there was only one shotgun kill (probably one adversary and not multiple though).And I can tell you from experience, shotgun dynamics is a lot different from CCW classes. Kind of like training a rifleman versus a guy with an LMG (heavier weapon, and more that could go wrong).
>>40569311That's by number of defensive kills, which is inflated for handguns because they are carried everywhere and nobody gets mugged on the street while they're carrying a shotgun.
>>40569042>not 360 no-scoping niggers with your .270 that try to rob youGet a load of this fag
>>40566101.25 is lower failure rate than .32>okay makes sense there's less .25 ACP guns so that must affect the statistic..22 is lower failure rate than .32>wat
>>40562548Foul beast! Thou use a barbaric firearm when rapiers are so gentlemanly!
>>40563070t. my father
>>40562860You are now aware that the NYPD forces their officers to carry pistols with triggers so heavy that it totally fucks their accuracy.
>>40569390I can agree with that
>>40569418>he doesn’t have a home defense trebuchetBehold this queer