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lets say you had to kill some one. and you had to brake into their home at midnight with a pistol. and they come out with a gun to confront you. what is the gun you are hoping they bring out so you can kill them?
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ZiP 22
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Any pistol.

People can't shoot for shit
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>>40562502
This is true. Any person with less than extensive training and a large amount of adrenaline will have trouble hitting a human size target outside of about 3 yards.
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A flintlock so we can engage in an honorable duel of arms
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>>40562452
>Break into someone's house to kill them.
>Hope they have a gun so you CAN kill them
You're actually retarded, aren't you?
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>>40562581
It’s a good question, what gun would you want someone whose going to shoot you to have?
>>40562452
An empty one. (Just rack the slide, that’ll scare ‘em away)
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>>40562452
An AR15. Not only will is jam but if it DOES work it's only a .22 lol.
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>>40562604
Basicly this. If I want to fight a gun owner I hope it’s a fudd or a woman.
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>>40562452
if it were a really nice gun you could switch it out for some pos .25 or .22 pistol you had laying around. one of the biggest injustices of reality is that you don't get to loot your legal kills.
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>>40562530
I think most people who are even somewhat confident can hit someone at less than fucking 10 ft under stressful conditions. It's not like a person is a small target, especially at 9 ft. If you would have said something like 7 yards of even 5 I might agree but I'm not that proficient with my handgun yet but I am confident that even in the most stressful situation i can hit a man sized target at 9 ft
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>>40562791
>Hit ratios were below 30 percent for gunfights (18 percent) and from long ranges (23 percent from more than seven yards away). However, in cases where suspects did not return fire, NYPD officers hit their targets 30 percent of the time. Accuracy levels were above 30 percent when the target was seven yards away or closer (37 percent).

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/public_information/RAND_FirearmEvaluation.pdf
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>>40562604
The question is shit. You could simply ask what gun would you want to face in a gunfight, but instead have concocted an idiotic scenario. Go fuck yourself faggot.
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>>40562860
>NYPD officers hit their targets 30 percent of the time
NYPD officers also have shit training and have to carry guns with 12lb triggers lmao
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The best gun for home defense is a ruger 10/22 because .22 lr bounces around in the body
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>>40563070
This. They act like angry Hornets and just fuck everything up, stinging all the organs.
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>>40562452
SwissMiniGun C1ST
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>>40563070
memes aside a 10/22 and 30 round magazine is not the worst choice for home defense.
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>>40563334
is there some brand of defense 22,
super reliable? I know i've seen 22hp before, but there's no way that expands
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>>40563334
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>>40563334
Honestly i'm not all that confident in ruger's bx-25
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>>40563365
I dunno, probably not. I'd just use whatever feeds reliably.
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>>40563375
Well I didn't say it was the best choice, just not the worst.
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>>40563365
cci segmented hollow points fragment very reliably
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDvdjdzB_ro

mix and match in your bx25 and you could get a large volume of wound channel and deep penetration
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>>40562887
seething
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>>40563334

I'm trying to kill people that break in not mildly bother them thanks.
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Kolibri
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is the Mossberg Maverick 88 a decent shotgun? It's so cheap I feel like it should be shit but I have a buddy who has one, shoots it often and says he's never had any problems
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>>40562548
Another honorable man amongst a sea of ruffians. I tip my hat to you, sir.
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>>40564510
Shotguns are underrated. I own several bottom of the barrel, $100 Mossberg 500s. No trouble with any
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>>40564531
sweet, I know what I'm getting with my next paycheck then
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>>40562452
single shot .22 short derringer. ideally loaded with a shotshell.

this is a silly thread.
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>>40564457
he said 'memes aside'. .22lr is plenty lethal when it's a bunch of them at relatively close range against an unarmored target.
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>>40562492
This
>homeowner blows own finger off clambering a round
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>>40562722
terrible bait
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>>40564798
And yet...
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>>40562581
where do you think you are.

I hope they have a USP so the bullets come out backwards.
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>>40565146
what influences the lethality of a round?
while magnum rounds can dump more energy and disrupt more tissue, what makes the .22 more lethal?
did the shooter fire more .22s or are .22 shooters more accurate?
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>>40562860
>NYPD officers

They go to the range about twice a year and have ten-pound triggers on their guns thanks to DeBlasio.
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>>40565195
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/06/foghorn/ask-foghorn-22l-for-self-defense/
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>>40565209

>It's the mayor's fault that the cops are incompetent.
>Before this mayor, they were all totally competent.

t. bootlicker.
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>>40565146
10mm not shown because it was off the charts
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>>40564798
It's not bait I'm just shitposting.
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>>40565335
It's obvious you've never even fired a gun.
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>>40565291
QRD on this? Work internet blocks firearm blogs but not 4chan.
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>>40563070
I heard this unironically about a month ago from a coworker
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>>40562452
Jimenez .22lr
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>>40562860
>30%
That’s not bad. That’s really not bad at all. 4-5 hits in a 15 round mag dump. Get you through most problems.
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>>40562452
>defenCe
Fuck off britbong
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>>40563365
If I had to use a 10/22 I’d put CCI Stingers in it, or Velociters. Pen isn’t great, but expansion is good and energy isn’t the absolute worst.
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>>40565146
If I’m reading that right shotgun’s tend to win gunfights.
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>>40565396
Yes, it literally isn’t on that chart. Probably from a relatively small number of citeable instances.
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>>40562722
STFU you don't know what you're talking about.
.22 LR is the deadliest cartridge on the planet. If it hits anywhere on the body, it will ricochet off the insides of the blood vessels and eventually reach the brain. There it will proceed to turn into a miniature blender and turn your brain to mush.
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This
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Do you new fags remember this?
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>>40563334
>not the worst choice for home defense
True... But Rimfire dude.
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>>40565664
Well if you shoot someone at a few yards with 12 gauge buckshot they are probably gonna die. Failure to stop rates are also very important.
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>>40562452

Potmetal .25ACP is correct answer.
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>>40562452
Anything with a long barrel
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Bolt actions and pump shotguns for HD are for people who get found by crime scene investigators.
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>>40569042
I second that. FBI stats can actually confirm that the majority of defensive kills by civilian are done with handguns. And for every 10 handgun kills (rough estimate), there was only one shotgun kill (probably one adversary and not multiple though).

And I can tell you from experience, shotgun dynamics is a lot different from CCW classes. Kind of like training a rifleman versus a guy with an LMG (heavier weapon, and more that could go wrong).
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>>40569311
That's by number of defensive kills, which is inflated for handguns because they are carried everywhere and nobody gets mugged on the street while they're carrying a shotgun.
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>>40569042
>not 360 no-scoping niggers with your .270 that try to rob you
Get a load of this fag
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>>40566101
.25 is lower failure rate than .32
>okay makes sense there's less .25 ACP guns so that must affect the statistic.
.22 is lower failure rate than .32
>wat
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>>40562548
Foul beast! Thou use a barbaric firearm when rapiers are so gentlemanly!
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>>40563070
t. my father
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>>40562860
You are now aware that the NYPD forces their officers to carry pistols with triggers so heavy that it totally fucks their accuracy.
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>>40569390
I can agree with that
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>>40569418
>he doesn’t have a home defense trebuchet
Behold this queer



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