Is there any rational defense for using the .45 ACP in 2019?
Because fuck you thats why
>>40268020I mean it works.
>>40268020They dont make a 46
Effective as 9mm and .40.
>>40268020The don't make a USP in .50
>>40268020i think of it like throwing a rock at something because the bullet is so large and slow. it hearkens back to a simpler time
>>40268020Is there any reason NOT to?
>>40268064Excessive recoil and lower capacity compared to alternatives like the 9mm.
>>40268140>excessive recoilHAHAHAHAHAHHave you ever shot a 9mm, .40, and .45 of the same brand handgun side by side? Have you ever even shot a pistol?
>>40268020You live in a capacity restricted state, so you might as well fill the mag?
2 world wars
>>40268020Well, ammo is still affordable. Like $0.25-0.32ish for the cheap stuff. I prefer 9mm in single stack, conceal carry pistols, and the Glock 19. Anything larger than a G19, I'd prefer it in 10mm.
>>40268140>excessiveImagine being this no gunz>>40268020Is there any rational defense for using 9mm in 2019?
>>40268140>excessiveThere is literally no reason any adult man of average strength can’t shoot a .45 auto or .40 S&W
>>40268140.45 recoil versus 9mm is more pushback, less muzzle flip, the difference for an average person is MAYBE 1-inch more at most backwards push of the hands if limpwristing. The difference is marginal at best. I find 9mm and .40 more fatiguing to shoot than .45 personally.
>>40268020The ONLY rational to go with 9mm versus .45 is cost and weight of carry ammo. Oh, and if you're one of those people who thinks he needs 140 rounds on him to feel safe.
>>4026802045 is better for suppressed offensive handgun purposes. Use 9 and 40 for self defense and over the beach assaults.
>>40268264>finding a pistol fatiguing to shootlol shut the fuck up lady
>>40268020No, only if you plan on using 45 super for defense against animals. It generally results in slower follow up shots, lower capacity, heavier and larger guns, and of course more expensive ammo costs. If you’re carrying a shit ton of ammo the weight may make a difference, though I’m not sure to what extent
>>40268340How did you know? ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ
>>40268323No it’s not147 grain 9mm is quieter than 230 grain 45. Fucking brainlets the whole lot of you
>>40268360Literally not how physics works. The .45 would still be quieter. 147gr 9mm is a meme anyway and only recently started working properly in pistols.
>>40268340Lol, fatigue isn't necessarily being too tried to function, just a decline from baseline. After a 33 round mag through my G19 I'll admit my hands are tired, especially with anything warm or hot. Obviously an extreme example but it is very clear that some level of fatigue has been building before you dump that mag
>>40268140There are valid (if still relatively meaningless) reasons to not use a .45 these days, the bullet is slow and heavy, the magazines can’t fit as much, and relatively few handguns fire a .45 compared to something like 9/10mm, and the differences between the stoppin powah between all the bullets being more or less negligible. The recoil however is sure as shit not one of them.
>>40268262That's great and all. But, why do you only have three fingers? Story time.
>>40268340You clearly have never fired more than 10 rounds at a range before.
>>40268140???? .45 recoils less then 9mm... just a gentle push compared to the snappy jerky motion that the 9mm has
>>40268140A different recoil curve. .45 has a slower, more backwards pushing recoil compared to 9mm's violent, jerky snap recoil. Excessive would be firing a 12ga slug out of a single-shot 8inch barrel shotgun pistol.
>>40268393On occasion >>40268405It’s there. Trigger discipline. The finger is a little crooked from a few breaks though.
>>40268360230 45 shits all over 147 gr 9mm. Its quiet enough to do the job and performs much better at eliminating sentries and guard dogs. Don't @ me about capacity either, capacity doesn't matter in this role nearly as much as performance.
Personally I've never fired a .45 or 1911. Just haven't bothered renting one. I've rented a model 29 and that was excessive recoil, but really fun. I just don't see the point of bothering. I also never fired .40 SW. Again, I don't see the point in spending the money when I could be practicing the guns I actually own.
>>40268020BECAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE A .46
>>40268020Because it works fine and I find it to be a fun cartridge.
>>40268020the same rational for using it in 1940's bruh
>>40268379Smaller caliber at subsonic speeds is quieter than large caliberLearn how suppressors workFaggot
>>40269242>killing NazisMy Comrade
>>40268993>a tenth of an inch in diameter making a difference in taking out sentries or dogsRetard
>>40268035>What is the .460 Rowland
>>40269321Sure, if you want a caliber that the creator virtually demands you only buy both parts and ammo from him and ONLY HIM.
>>40269286>I don't understand radius and distributionWhen you increase diameter by .1" you increase mass significantly
>>40269271our grand parents fought for the wrong side change my mind.
>>40269338This Speaking German sounds a lot better than a tranny half negro grandkid
>>40269370ja und der henti ist best
>>40268020You know there isn't.
>>40268140Yeah and you can get double stack 22lr 30 round pistols with zero recoil compared to 9mm
>>40269330>what is reloading
>>40269335Doesn’t make a difference
>>40268020>.45ACP was explicitly designed and adopted to Remove KebabAre you saying this is an irrelevant purpose today?
>>40269458It's physics. It necessarily has to make a difference.A bigger slower round = more energy transferred into the target
>>40268264ThisHave show all of the above I enjoy the smoother recoil of .45 as well.. Several women I have shot with also liked the way .45 recoil was instead of the snappy 9mm out of a tiny gun....Not hating on any rounds, defend yourself with whatever you have / like but I prefer .45 over the 9mm and the .40 personally, but i do carry a 9mm frequently because the m&p shield i have is so easy to conseal..
>>40268020No, and if you do you're functional no better than just using 9mm. Get a real man's caliber
>>40268020Sure, it's basically 300BLK for handguns. If you wanna stay subsonic gotta chuck the biggest pills you can.
>>40269643>if it weren't for stronk independant womyn who don't need no ballistics, 10mm would be as cheap and common as .40 is today
>>40269643>falling for the 10memeter
>>40269775>Using .45 super even though there are no factual differences in ballistics combined it's significantly reduced capacity, availability, and variabilityOofAlso>Inb4 you come back saying some dumbass shit about how it's better without any facts. Get that gay shit out of my face nigger. Bet you don't even own a .45 super
>>40269775.45 super isnt even real, its an esoteric wildcat for old fudds that tries and fails to emulate 10mm. Its literally made by like 2 ammo loaders, who wank off its power by using 6 inch longslide test guns. You have no choice in ammo variety, all you get are solid copper / lead projectiles in the 185-255 grain range (with a single 120 grain lehigh bullet that tumbles instead of properly doing its job because it's too short https://youtu.be/jhv0LbhNigk [Open]) .45 super hollowpoints use projectiles meant for normal .45 acp speeds, which means they will frag themselves instead of reliably expanding.Nobody makes guns in .45 super, and all of your 1911, hk, and glock conversions are going to shoot themselves apart.Its 45 acp +p+, but people like to larp as if it's some incredible 10mm killer because it can throw bullets that are 25 grains heavier (and 200 fps slower).The one thing it has over a caliber like 10mm is diameter, but this has the direct effect lowering your capacity, and making your guns big, which equals out this advantage somewhat.
>>40269859>>40269847gross stop copying and pasting this
>>40269847>not owning a handgun that can do both
>>40269847>>40269859>The absolute state of 10mm users>so much butthurt, so much pathetic coping>sad stuff
>>40269867>Thinking rational argument is copypasta>Not responding to the argument
>>40269886See >>40269892Respond with a counter point or fuck off back to cuckit nigger
>>40269910No gunz nigger detected
>>40269931Your move bait-kun, I'll wait for your guns :)
>>40269874>>40269242I'm interested in how you actually CC a USP. Shoulder rig?
>>40269979I CC mine in a Stealthgear IWB. With a good belt it's not bad at all.
>>40268140>.45 AARP>excessive recoilis this the true power of onions?
>>402681401 0 M M0MM
>>40268020Listun hirr bwah...This gat was delivered unto man by the holy Colonel Jeff Cooper himself. Choots 10 cuz they don’t make a 11 son. Ya hear? It wun us too Ispc matches, and you won’t find as much stoppin’ powwa in a brake pad store.
>>40269931Ebin troll, Thanks for shitting up the board.It's so sad that people can get their kicks by ruining something beautiful. I miss old /k/.
>>40268020Capacity restricted states.
>>40268020I know right 2019where the fucks my Phaser
>>40268020.45 Super & .460 Rowland.
>>40268048Yeah, try dodging that old bullet
>>40268020delete this lame ass thread, same old shit everyday, it's like someone is giving out cookies for making a thread, you're just a fucking window licker
I havent fired a 9,10,40 I've enjoyed. It's always been 45s. It sucks because I dont like any conceal carry guns to shoot. So I'm currently forcing myself to find a smaller gun I like.I think I'm just gonna keep OCing my 21 and ankle carry a 22 magnum revolver with a fold out grip
>>40268035But they do make a 10mmhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Q6bEMJHpY
>>40270604In that case, you want a 5 shot sw .460, an eight shot .357, or a 10 shot 10mm. Depending on your local laws.
>>40268020Yes. I have a pistol chambered for it. Now fuck off with this weak bait thread.
>>40268020Because 2 wars. Also legit answer, cans which makes a ton of sense for a hd gun.
>>40268401>the bullet is slow and heavyStopped reading here.
>>40268379Which one would you rather get shit with then.... A slow peddle hitting you or a slow brick?
>>40268020No there isn't, because it's been all replaced by the true forty fifth of an inch round.
I have sold all my .45's. I prefer other calibers but would still buy another .45 in the future I suppose. Generally speaking you give up capacity for no real benefit and pay more for the pleasure of doing so. Seems a bit counterproductive to me. I find most who swing from the .45s nuts insufferable faggots, especially when it's in the form of a 1911.
>>40271410>that fucking pictureepic xD Go back to Facebook, normie
>>40268140>excessive recoilnu-/k/, everyone
>>40271425I have never had a fakebook account. But please tell me your rangetrap stories you turbofag cock chugging powerbottom
>>40268032This. .45 ACP is a pragmatic cartridge.
Croatia to the rescue
>>40268020>all these ass blasted peasants last time I checked the 2a doest say “right to bear arms in only one caliber”diversify your calibers niggas or you’ll be that weird kid at the range who “hurr all my guns are in the same caliber so I can overthrow the UN when they come to take muh gunz”
>>40272998>G R I P Z O N E
Because you already have one and you don't have the money to upgrade to 10mm yet.
>>40273064>RC Cola>Moon Pie>USPFuck, you're my nigga.
>>40273160Shit just noticed that's an HK45. Oh well, same thing.
>>40268205>he compliesEven more fucking shameful than using 45
>>40268020.45ACP does these things well.1. Breaks big bones to end motility of threats on drugs.2. Enjoyable to reload.3. Recoil impulse easily manged.4. Pleasing visual aesthetics.5. Easily manipulated when cold, tired, in shock, no light.
>>40273279look at all these wrong and subjective statements.
>>40268252.40S&W from a full size all metal versus. .45ACP 1911, the .45 is easier to follow up, just more confidence inspiring. Everyone agrees.
>>40268020Leaving giant holes in people, especially if using hollow points.
>>40273064moonpies are SHITRC is good tho
>>40273279adding to that:low pressure round, very little wear and tear on the gun.
>>40268020Because it makes my peepee hard
>>40269032Yeah, in the 90's I bought a .40S&W, it was the "thing". Then a friend handed over his 1911 race gun..wow. Even a stock 1911 gives you 80% of the joy factor. Looks good, shoots good, so nice. Best part is I shoot better. Sometimes for a laugh at the local range, I tell the AR kids to try to shoot a tennis ball out of my range before I can hit it, then toss one out there about 20 yards, everybody blasting, then I hit it and they are trying to reaccquire and I hit it again. Good laughs all the way around. 1911 gets into the fight very fast and points great. The barrel sits lower so there's less flip to control. There is a reason combat troops carry sidearms and always go back to the 1911.
>>40268405Are you being serious? It's called trigger discipline. Should he have his booger hook around the trigger or hold the pistol like a mongoloid, according to you?
>>40273478You are the fuddiest fudd in the history of /k/ >low bore axisKek
>>40268020>capacity is the biggest meme in CCW, needing more than 5-6 rounds for civilian self defense is effectively unheard of>regardless many people are arbitrarily limited in magazine capacity by effectively equalizing capacity across all duty calibers>even the FBI agrees that while they can't quantify the advantage a bigger bullet(and ergo wound) is better than a smaller one all other things being equal>The difference between 9mm and .45 ACP JHP expansion is not .1", typical 9mm JHP expansion is in the .6-.66" range with top of the line JHPs(in terms of expansion) topping out at .7". Top of the line .45 ACP JHPs can reliably expand to 1" while penetrating deeper than comparable 9mm JHPs>stats would likely obfuscate the difference in effectiveness .45 is capable of due to a prevalence of ball ammo and shit tier JHPs used in homicides along with it's falling out of favor as a police caliber>bigger holes are correlated with higher mortality, dead people don't sue or lie to make you look like the bad guy(https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2688536)I personally prefer 9mm because i like the low recoil, cost, and capacity meme. That being said .45 is hardly a bad choice, and there are some logical reasons for picking it.
>>4026952045acp 230 grain ball = 356 ft pounds at 835 FPS9mm 124 grain ball = 364 ft pounds at 1150 FPSAre you being stupid on purpose? The energy delivered is nearly identical. It’s simple physics, that apparently you have a poor grasp of. Granted these are only comparing the generic ball cartridge loads, but comparing the ballistic charts of various self defense loads of 45ACP and 9mm will show you that there is not a significant difference in performance. I’ll take the higher capacity and lower recoil of 9mm.
>>40273768they're talking about subsonic rounds you literal retard.
>>40270916>fired a 10>didn't enjoy itYou must have been shooting icy cold factory ammo, hot 10mm is sweet
>>40268020Stoppin powah. 45 doesn't take your life, it takes your soul
>>40273768>230gr +P = 511ftlbs @ 1000fps>147gr +p = 414ftlbs @ 1125(literally transsonic)
>>40273837The correct analogy is 255 grains to 147 grains230 to 124180 to 115230 is standard weight for 45, 9mm is over weight for 9mm
>>40273768I mean, 45 generally has 20 percent more energy per round, sure it's no 10mm but it does make bigger holes.
>>40268020.45 is strictly for old pops with big cocks.9 minimeter kids stick to your little ones.
>>40273876The slight difference in energy delivery doesn’t make up for the downsides of weight and lower capacity you get with 45. This debate is retarded anyway. Pistol cartridges suck at killing reliably no matter what.
>>40273862>doubling down on retardation intensifiesMy man, you do realize that this is a discussion specifically about subsonic ammo energy, right? limited to subsonic velocity a 124gr projectile will have even less energy than the transonic 147 i listed, which in reality would likely be limited to 1000-1025 or so FPS to ensure it stayed subsonic at various common altitudes as a matter of practicality. The .45 will always win this comparison as the speed of sound is static and the .45 can launch a heavier projectile than the 9mm at just under it than 9mm can. Also the proper comparison is actually:>185 to 115>200 to 124>230 to 147255gr .45 is about as common as 150-165gr 9mm is, 230gr/147gr are both calibers exceedingly common "heavy for caliber" choices on the market.
>>40273876No, it's the energy that makes flesh fuck holes, man. Not the size of the bullet.
>>40268252I taught my teenage girl to shoot pistols on a .45.
>>40268037>Effective as 9mmYou need 5 9mm shots to do as much damage as 1 45mm shot, retard
>>40273925230 is the standard load, not heavy for caliber.
45 USP Elite NIB, just over $1k 6" barrel.Good deal or no?Watching it right now.
>>40274109standard load can be heavy for caliber, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
>>40268262cut your nails, incel
The only 45acp I own is a USP Expert. I bought it caliber specific because I never owned a gun that shot 45acp and it was roughly $200 less than the 9mm version.
>>40269321>>40269330.460 Rowland ISN'T .460REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>40274117Damn right it's a good deal, that barrel was hand-fit by German gnomes. It has ALL the bells and whistles of the USP line.
I carry .45 daily. The only thing that concerns me is lack of armor penetration. But that's a Shtf problem not an everyday issue. If I was a cop or soldier I'd carry 9mm because you want capacity in a gun fight. I don't plan on getting into a prolonged shootout with anybody.
>>40276057>Not wanting a long boiHoly fuck everyone get in here and look at this absolute faggot
>>40268020.45 ACP has less pressure than 9mm and is easier on gunsHistory shows that slow and heavy bullets work
>>4026928639% More mass>can't even physics
>>40274038>45mmProbably more like 100 9mm rounds
>>40273206>wanting the rcmp to knock my igloo down and shoot my sled dogsDo you even true north strong and free bud?
>>40268024>Don't even own a .45Still agree on principle
>>40273096It was almost free, won it on a Superbowl board, cost me $25
>>40268020Simple, I like it and I'm good with it. Why is it any concern of yours what I carry?
>>40268393How could you tell he used coke?
>>40268140>excessive recoil Found the Anon with bitch baby hands
>>40268181>thisI love my colt 1911. My EDC
>>40269242just bought my first HK ... VP9sk for my EDC and i love it .... heard great things about the USPfew questions:>how much did you get it for>ergonomics >whats the trigger like?
>>40268408Not him but even my deagle is reasonably comfortable through a couple mags. You're a bitch.
>>40278690I mean getting hit by 45 mm would basically be game over, provided you're not wearing armor.
>>40268379I think the thought is that a subsonic 45 would perform better than a subsonic 9? That makes sense to me since both bullets are gonna be relatively slower so you might as well go big>I carry a snub 357 so my opinion is not valid
>>40268035>*crack>"siiiiippp">*smacks lips>*lights cigarette"Yep"
>>40268020>naturally subsonic>heavy projectiles which either penetrate deeply in organic tissue or expand to cause 70 caliber wound channels>low pressure round allows long life of firearm relative to 40 S&W or 10mm>cultural and historical significance>aesthetic of "big bore" gunsI dunno man, it's not as good a do-all as 9mm, and it's nto as good against armor as 7.62x25 or 5.7, but it's the best pistol caliber for a suppressor host.
>>40284410*best pistol caliber for a suppressor host intended for use against unarmored human targetsit edges out .45 GAP in this respect because cost of ammo is lower and more available - a benefit in terms of stockpiling and SHTF scavenging
>>40273731Basically all this. Marginal weaknesses and benefits but honestly once you get above .32 or so it's all "good enough" at least as far as handguns rounds go.
>>40284173Getting hit by a 45 mm it probably doesn't matter if you're wearing armor or not desu.
>>40284410>naturally subsonicno such thing>heavy projectiles which either penetrate deeply in organic tissue or expand to cause 70 caliber wound channelsmarginally better performance than 9mm>best pistol caliber for a supressor hostneeds a huge supressor and will still be louder than subsonic 9mm or .40 with a smaller can. subsonic 200gr .40 still has more energy than .45 and is not uncommon