What in fiction is the most accurate depiction of what war in space is going to look like and why?
>>39922554>going to look likeWe're never going to space, it's more profitable to the world like what is depicted in the movie Elysium.
>>39922554"The Forever War"Relativity is a motherfucker.
>>39922569>relativity>laughs in Einstein-Rosen bridge
>>39922586Found the dumb motherfucker who never read it.
>>39922569Came to post this
>>39922569Pretty much. Dumb fire weapons in space are a meme. Plasma beams are a meme. Lasers are a meme. Ship to ship battle over that kind of distance is going to rely on AI equipped drones trying to track and slam into your ship. If you have no counter drones to intercept, your option becomes outrunning it, and at a significant %C. Enjoy evasive maneuvers causing 40 years to pass for everyone but you.
>>39922554Star Wars, probably
>>39922659>bombing a ship from another ship
>>39922554Space isn't going to be flashy laser battles and slick dogfights. It's going to be missiles/drones at the edge of detectable ranges. Just every once and a while a ship goes pop from the other side of the system. Light is too slow for real time fire solutions is the problem.
>>39922687They did things differently a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. But remember things always come full circle and the trend will return.
>>39922554Probably like submarine warfare is today. Total stalemate and absolute slaughter by both sides once it kicks off with death coming before you know it
>>39922554Your ship will suddenly vaporise because you were hit by a weapon travelling faster than you could detect and fired by an enemy you never even realised was in the system, though maybe, just maybe you had detected some gravity waves of their arrival.
>>39922659>Have cannons and missiles with extremely long range>Have fighters equipped with hyperdrives to carry weapons even further>just drive up to a niggaNo.
What the fuck is up with all the recent rwby posting?
through struggle the stars, ships in launch waves of dumb munitions in the path of a ships plotted trajectory in order to box them into a new course that alings them with your main battery of X-ray laser to melt their crew
tfw clueless kommands dont realize that the level of tech required for interstellar travel will make 1 million k engagements impossible due to minsokvy type particle shit and will result in LOGH style engagements.
>>39922554Trials in Tainted Space
>>39922593>reading the forever war >not the Chad Starship Troopers Wew lad.
It's a shame there hasn't been many hard sci-fi movies/TV shows showing semi-realistic space combat. Babylon 5 had a few instances, like the Starfuries and that episode where the Narn engaged the enemy beyond visual range with lasers.
>>39922554Children of a Dead Earth.>>39923436Good books but effectively a Tom-Clancyized version of COADE
>>39922621>Ship to ship battle over that kind of distance is going to rely on AI equipped drones trying to track and slam into your ship. If you have no counter drones to intercept, your option becomes outrunning it, and at a significant %C. Enjoy evasive maneuvers causing 40 years to pass for everyone but you.Doesn't this exact shit happen in the book? I remember them having to do evasive maneuvers to dodge some missile.
>>39922569>Future humanity are brown-skinned ambiguously ethnic homosexualsSeems about right
>>39922554Forever War and/or The Expanse.Honorable mentions to Starship Troopers (the book) and Armor.
>>39924236The sequel, "the forever peace" deals with the fallout of this.Straight white people live in traditionalist enclaves.
>>39922659it was just Space Pearl Harbor, let's be honest.
>>39922621The problem with trying to outrun shit is that it sets you in a known trajectory with a known acceleration. Your attackers can just shoot a bunch of space .22s at wherever you'll be when they reach you and you're fucked.
>what is that from rwby?
Lost Fleet series has some interesting depictions of space battles. Given the ships involved were moving at high fractions of SOL all firing solutions were done by AI and battles were mostly won over clever positioning and having computers that were capable of handling those solutions at higher speed. The crew of destroyed ships too would never know what hit them either given how fast everything was moving. The author was a former Navy officer so that has something to do with the depictions I'm sure. There's a summary of the way battles are depicted towards the bottom of this article. https://www.tor.com/2017/10/12/honor-duty-and-space-navies-at-war-the-lost-fleet-dauntless-by-jack-campbell/
There will never be any space battles. Everyone is going to die on this planet and there is nothing you can do about it. Humanity will not survive to leave the solar system.
>>39922796Stupid or not, the 3-dimensional battles that ended up being broadside slugfests got me hard. Also the design of large ships in the prequels were top notch. That first shot of to show some fighters over over a ship and then reveal a massive battle was incredible.
>>39923986>Not having read both and grand daddy duneIshiggidiggy
>>39924223Yup, exactly my point.>>39924274Not at all. You're supposing there a perfectly linear or brief acceleration of an orbital body. But anything, ANYTHING varying between when the light bouncing off the ship, to your sensors picking their trajectory up, to your projected firing solution, to actually firing and impacting, could alter position by distances measured in in MILLIONS of miles at the speeds and distances we're talking about.>Ship at .1C speed>You spot them 1AU away>YOU FIRE IMMEDIATELY>You're already 4 minutes behind real time info on their positioning, assuming perpendicular trajectory.>Extrapolate one deceleration maneuver, acceleration maneuver, positioning jet, etc firing in that 4 minutes, along a course at that speed.>you missed by 200,000km because the lieutenant maneuvered the ship to get the sun out of his eyes for his morning bagel.Take into account that varying your orbital path by minute adjustments frequently to fuck with ballistic calculations would become standard doctrine the first time someone gets in a ship to ship fight, and now you have munitions that have to think and course correct as positioning data comes in real time.ie AI Drones.
>>39925380Meant 8 minutes, my bad.
>>39924363We can have space battles without leaving the solar system anon
>>39922796In republic commando order 66 Coruscant had a global force field, but it was activated too late after the separatists were already inside.So they were essentially trapped and palpatine wanted his knew apprentice.
unironically expanse is so far best one of all the ones put on screen.
When can we expect to see our first real space warships?
>>39922788Gravitational waves from Neutron star mergers require large interferometers to be detectable. You're not going to see the gravitational waves from space ship.
>>39926992This, despite the plot fuckery, they do a real good job with the technical bits
We'd be dealing with a new kind of mathematical hell. Relativistic ballistics calculations. I only know special relativity, the easy one, and it fucks with my mind something fierce, god only knows what general relativity would do to ballistics.
>>39922569>>39924236>>39924254Book was surprisingly realistic about how nasty space war, human monoculture, alien interaction, and strategy would be. My favorite fridge horror part was the part where ships that aimed their lightspeed jumps wrong would come back to Earth tens of thousands of years later. Not to mention an actually well done love story.
>>39923925Um isn't that a porn game?
Anyone else remember this game?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqsU5nWLguU
>>39927076With today's tech sure, who knows what kind of instrumentation will be around when this is an actual issue
Don’t know, but I do know one thing. It’ll involve the Jews
>>39927188>Well doneAn entire station population fucks his waifu as he watches.An entire colony of men, fuck her. He watches.
Chronicles of riddick
I always thought the first episode of "Gundam: The 08th MS Team" was a great example of actual space combat, and the aftermath thereofAs a bonus, its probably as realistic as one is going to get for using giant robots in modern warfare (using combined arms principles)
>>39922554None. It'll just be a bunch of guys on computers and drones zipping around Lagrange points
>>39927768Mote in God's Eye, then?
The combat in crest/banner of the stars is pretty good. It also has Space Elves. Spelves.
>>39928050Yup. I love the scifi goodness, but his waifu straight up gets gangbanged by a pack of sex starved multicultural dudes.
>>39923479>tfw I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about and assume reality will be like my chinese cartoons
I always thought space travel and warfare would be like EVE in which there's a large amount of corporations and wars on the regular for small shit. Actual space combat range would be measured in AU and be decided on whose targeting AI's are better. I have no idea if lasers or missiles would be used, but we can only imagine what kind of tech humanity would have at that time. now to the sad part. We, as a species, will never ascend to the stars as much as I wish we could. we are idiots who squabble over the scraps of a world lingering on the verge of extinction. china and india continue to pollute the atmosphere so much that the ozone layer is going to go before we can even think about escaping. Not to mention the ridiculous laws regarding spaceflight imposed upon by the united nations. I really, really hope we have a breakthrough with quantum mechanics soon and we're able to travel at speeds close to or even exceeding C. Please Elon Musk, I know you sell snake oil dressed as cars, but take us to the next stage of human history!.
>>39930045You know absolutely fucking nothing about space technology or industryAbsolutely fucking nothing
>>39930124I thought that was a given? I purposefully said, "I thought." and "I hope."Was there any inkling otherwise?
>>39922554The Moonraker james bond movie
>>39925284Based and PatricianDon't forget "Armor"
>>39922554Human vs human or human vs aliens?The latter, War of the Worlds (?)
>>39922593God, nu/k/ is so fuckin retarded about books>that book a shit>well have you read it?>no but I know what its about and x book I havent read either is way better
>>39929794I think your fantasy is projecting into the wikipedia you read about it. That never happens
>>39922554Voting for Mass Effect and fuck all your negatives.
>>39922569>when that one guy was trying to pull his waifu together after she was struck with debree>when holding a defence is decided by sword and spear combat and then a nuke a few hours later>he should of fucked the drunk chickBut seriously jesus christ when half the squads get wiped on the way back fuck/
>>39922554>space thread in /k/This should be a general so we could have 24/7 retard containment threads
>>39930045Your edgy little post reeks of underage.
>>39922554https://deathworlders.com/very lengthy, but has been great in every chapter released.
>>39925380Except an AI targeting computer will see your evasive maneuver, calculate the probability field of where you will be, and fire one shot each at the 100,000 most probable locations, and then reassess can based on how you respond. Space is big, but momentum is a bitch. Plus, armor isn't feasible with how much mass a spacecraft has to have just to support a dozen or so people even without any weapons or payload, and even a small hole is catastrophic.
>>39922775this. infinitely lethal infinitely intelligent weapons fired from distances days ahead of target hell, link up a railgun to some serious targetting computers and put in on satelites. predictive softwares placing ememy ships where the railgun shots will land in 3-4 days, etc. your fleet and your planet's satelite networks are simultaneously deleted by weapons fired days or weeks ago with no hope of countermeasure other than something that could disable thousands and thousands of small chunks of metal flying mach 20 on perfect trajectories through space
>>39930623You're not thinking in time delays of light traveling over vast distances, or, the MASSIVE variance in position over those angles.Try this. Take a protractor. Draw a 0.01° angle. Small, right? Now extend the two lines out 147,000,000 miles. A bit bigger now, huh? Now take that huge ass distance, and turn it into a triangle and look at the area of it.If you fired every single piece of your ship as marble sized projectiles, not just the ammo, but the Hull and shitter too, all of it, the distance between shots would fit countries.Or... AI drone you launch and over several minutes it susses out more exact positions with more up to date sensor readings as it tears ass towards the general area of your target, before getting close enough to slam into them.One of these is a workable strategy. One of these is not.
>>39930045>the ozone layer is going to go before we can even think about escaping.The irony here is the ozone layer has been on the mend for the last few years.
>>39922621DEWs are useful for point defense against said missiles/drones.
>>39922796There were literally thousands of warships clashing over Coruscant. No room to maneuver or effectively use long-range weapons. Think of it as basically the Battle of Kursk, but in space.IIRC it was the largest single battle of the Clone Wars.
>>39928447https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsr1owuAw7c>Fighting from time-space bubbles at >C speeds>Defensive and offensive drone usage
>>39922554Take a look at thishttps://youtu.be/9Xs3mGhQGxM
this is boring, tell me about space warfare in the real world