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How good as a all-around battle rifle is a ptr 91?
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ptr’s have tons of problems that their poorfag owners won’t tell you about because poor people get weirdly attached to their “big” purchases.
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>>43186729
Like what?
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>>43182737
>It's cheaper than getting a .308 AR,
Not if you build one, especially if you only buy parts as they come in sale.
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>>43182454
Mechanically, very.
Economically, very.
Ergonomically, no.

It was designed to be a dirt cheap conscript rifle and it does that job exceptionally well. The controls, weight and balance are trash but if you don't like it we'll just beat it in you to the point that you can run it anyway.

Shoot it side by side with a FAL, or even an M1A and both will feel nicer. The G3 was never about being nice though, it delivers the goods and that's it.
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>>43186729
i am a ptr owner and im curious what you're talking about
the main issue i see is ergonomics but that's expected

Okay I know I'm fucked and all, but what's the least-cucked shtf rifle I can get in California?

Ive got 5k.
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>>43185896
>$5,000
See Jesse James Firearms insta
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>>43185896
I've been trapped in California for a while and I have tried a few different things.

Best one I have found so far is my M1A. It's an older 1990s model with GI parts. Runs reliably, shoots well, a bit heavy but you get 10 rounds of 7.62 NATO on tap which isn't bad. People say you can't run it fast but they don't know what they are talking about, you can do AK style mag bump changes easier than on an AK.

Speaking of which, you can have an AK (or really any semi auto rifle with a fixed stock) by using a grip wrap, which is easy enough to remove if you take a trip out of state. I have found that AKs take to this pretty well.
You can also do a pinned magazine mod on an AR, but I think they interfere with the mechanics of the gun too much. If you encounter a malfunction you may find yourself in a Chinese finger trap problem where you can't take the magazine out to clear the jam without hinging the upper open which in turn won't hinge because the bolt carrier isn't all the way forward due to the jam.

Shotguns aren't all that restricted and really you don't get much more for your money going semi auto over a basic pump action. A Mossberg 500 or 590 will do you just fine.

Handguns are limited by a roster but all the Gen 3 Glocks are on it so you are basically set with that. They aren't really any worse than the Gen 4 or 5 models. If you prefer something else there are still quite a few options, plus almost any off roster pistol if you are willing to pay a premium.
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>>43187000
>If you encounter a malfunction you may find yourself in a Chinese finger trap problem where you can't take the magazine out to clear the jam without hinging the upper open which in turn won't hinge because the bolt carrier isn't all the way forward due to the jam.
I had this happen to me by sheer dumb luck on LITERALLY the FIRST magazine I ever ran through that AR after I put the mag lock on. That was enough to get me to convert it to featureless and throw the mag lock out, never using that garbage again. Featureless sucks but at least it doesn't add more mechanical shit that can go wrong when you least expect it and when your life most depends on it
I hate our state gov and I hate how poorly they treat our constitution
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>>43187000
To get a bit more specific, if I didn't own any of the guns I own now and wanted a rifle/pistol/shotgun I would do the following:

1) Browse around on Calguns for a used M1A. So many are available now that they are almost as cheap as Mini14, there's just no point buying new. If I can find an older one with USGI parts under 1300 or so jump on it. Roughly 1000-1200 for a modern one. Don't buy a national match, they are heavier and less versatile.
Stick with the standard model, or an 18" bush rifle. Maybe a Loaded.
Get some 10/20 magazines, the extra length makes them easier to load (less spring tension at 10rd) and much easier to rock in/out. 7.62x51 ammo isn't as expensive as you would think, find a local place you can order ammo from and stack some surplus ball deep.

2) Glock 19, keep it simple. Nothing wrong with a Sig 2022, XD or Beretta PX4 if you prefer but Glock has by far the best aftermarket support.
I went with a used 23 because it was dirt cheap and doubled down with a 9mm conversion barrel. That has been an excellent and highly versatile gun for me.

3) Mossberg 500 combo. Dirt cheap and does both HD and skeet/trap in the same package. They all feel rattly but that's normal. Mine has been perfect for 10 years and counting.
Yes you can afford a Benelli M4 if you want, and those are amazing, but you are spending 6x more and getting a gun that's only slightly more effective. Besides being a shotgun which shouldn't be such a high priority anyway.

Anyway that leaves you with something like $2500 for ammo, body armor, maybe even some surplus 3rd Gen night vision if you want.
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M1A is solid, I'm not a fan of the SKS but there is nothing wrong with it really. You can absolutely buy a cucked AR and have parts on hand to swap. Mini-14 might be good, but your mags will have to be compliant. And if you have 5k some more exotic guns that might not come to mind are awesome. Seen some interesting rifles with AR uppers that are featureless. Your price range opens up a world of possibilities.

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If you had a giggle switch, what would you mark the positions for maximum lulz?
> safe
/k/
> semi
honk
> auto
horsenigger
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>>43155856
Made me lol
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>>43185807
>Because we're all clearly out here just making autos with funny selectors, and this isn't just an amusing thread.
Just relax for a minute, huh?
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>>43185807
>NDing
That'll make you look like the bigger retard anyway. I don't support red flag laws but if I did, people that ND should be targeted.
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>>43180930
based and responsiblepilled
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>>43158324
Based

MAC BTFO
How can MAC ever recover?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHfhiryOq8
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>>43173594
>>43180914
>>43182258
Scorpion is blowback gun wrapped in plastic. Kinda cool aftermarket. Stribog new version will be roller delayed blowback. Like the king of all pccs, the soft shooting mp5.
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>>43185458
thats a good idea
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>>43171754
>Pretty fucking retarded on their behalf.

Welp, the owner is a retard of epic dimensions, so its not a surprise at all.
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>>43179891
seriously why did your kids disown you
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>>43180640
>this is what a 64 year old posts

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>>43186994
option 1 is better
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>tfw doing paperklip this tier so I can Grinch at highest tier next Christmas
NOTHING WRONG WITH ME
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>>43186994
I like the 2nd.
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>>43187028
Ordered and paid for
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>>43187115
Fuck you
>>43187119
We are getting the better one!!!!

Why don’t you own an MP5?

>roller locked goodness
>minimal recoil
>sexy compact package
>superior German engineering
>flexing on Scorpion owners
>flexing on small wallets in general

This is really just a coping post because I bought one when I was drunk last night. Did I fuck up?
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>>43185642
>are you guys like fucking women
Obviously I prefer boys, what are you some kind of homo?
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>>43185180
>you obviously disagree
read more better
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>>43182797
Canada
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>>43187088
there's no 20" mp5s or they're banned by name?
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>>43182797
You bought a nearly timeless design. In my opinion, it’s still the design that every other PCC and Submachinegun tries to live up to.
Were it not for the advent of AR-15 and AK74 SBRs, this would still be one the most used guns in the world.

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>talking to boomer about her time in the US Army and invite her to shoot my ARs
>"yeah I'm left handed. Back in the day with our M16s we just flipped the bolt around and I could shoot it. Now this modern crap doesn't let you do that"
>"no, that's wrong"
>"no it's not, I was there"
>her daughter, my age, chimes in and says she's right
Why are Armypogs so fucking stupid?
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>>43184957
Not him, but that’s a description of every female in the military. They’re awful.
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>>43184867

because people who join the US military
are of near basic intelligence with only
some being the buck of the trend line.
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>>43184957
What does that even mean?
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>>43184946
That dog knows what's up
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>>43184957
found the wook

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Its time- are you fuc/k/ers ready? Do you have everything prepaired? Whos at deer camp waiting for the morning?
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>>43183951
Tbqh I personally like bow hunting much more. I love guns but bow and crossbow are my favorite hunting tools in the world. Perhaps it sounds weird but if find it more "pure"
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Mittenfag here, gun opener was today. Fucked up and mistook a button buck for a doe and shot it, I feel like a loser and a retard
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>>43179442
Is it tiger season too?
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>>43179134
General gun season starts tomorrow here in southside VA. Bag limit: 2 a day / 6 per year.

I'm ready for fresh tenderloin and making jerky.
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>>43183798
Pick up more doe tags next year before peta pockets them

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I think i want an SMG to keep in my Jeep behind/mounted on the passenger seat.

whats cheap but not stupid?
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>>43183603
PA Luty
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>>43183610
is Century the only one with this option?
is the Micro Draco as decent as a WASR regarding durability/performance?
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>>43186712
>>43186587
>>43183610
don't do this. micro dracos are commercial market abominations and have chronic reliability issues related to the dwell time, length of receiver, and recoil buffer.
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>>43186866
How is life in 2011? You fucking twat.

I have owned every model of Draco there is to buy and not a single one of them has ever had issues in the countless thousands of rounds I've put through them. Century doesnt fucking touch them except, they are all made in Romania and imported into the US as is.
They are almost exactly small copies of WASRs, same exact fucking parts except the piston.

You're either confusing them with another gun or more likely you're parroting complete bullshit and have never actually used one.

>>43186712
Dracos are fine, dont listen to the other fucking retard.
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>>43183638
>aim your mounted SpicyAir (tm)
>looking down sights out of instinct/training habit
>get dosed in your dominant eye immediately.

A mounted taser would be better. A bigger, more powerful "electric harpoon" that could have a larger power source (because rifle mounted) is a way better idea. Especially because your next step if your less lethal fails, is deay force.

Or just get a grenade launcher and give cops CS and/or a few "THOOMPA" rounds.

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post the concepts on the market today for the soldier of tomorrow

pic related is project talos
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>no mechs

what a shitty future
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>>43185817
Haven't seen that one in a while
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>>43186577
for good reason

AK General /akg/
Regular Vs Reverse Dong Edition
>Thread #913

Old thread here >>43167067
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>>43180112
Would it be a fair trade for a parts build galil (ATI) for a M92 Pap pistol (with brace)?
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>>43186665
>Is it bad if they aren't?
No. To some people they're more "collectible" because of it, but it's just a stamp.
Congrats on the tankers anon.
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>>43186887
not even close unless the M92 side is adding about $300-400
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>>43187047
Thanks I'll pass on it more than likely with this advice. I get too excited no matter the offer sometimes.
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Hello fellow men, I got a question. Can you go to BUDS directly? Or do I need to take some preliminary classes to get into BUDS, i'm 18 and I have no guidance just a whole life in plain view with many roads and no one to guide me. I'm not entitled to anyone helping me along the way but it saddens me I never had a guiding figure and sadly had to figure things out on my own and i'm very slow at it too. I watch a lot of anime and I see some combat based anime. Like knights and swordsmen or some KanColle which are battle ships. I want an eventfull life, I wonder if joining the Navy Seals can provide that, I want to go around the world, meet new sophisticated people and network to build an empire, I want to see valleys, mountains, high tech facilities i'd never would have imagined I could see with my eyes. I want to see hidden projects being made by people etc, take part in combat but be cool like Keaanu Reeves or Rick from R&M with his kill or be killed non chalant way of killing people, I dont want to kill people but if it's them or me then I pick them. Sorry I kinda ranted a bit.
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>>43185679
I dont get it, why.
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Imagine being such a pathetic sperg that your only prospects of an, "eventful life" are joining the military to essentially donate your life to a cabal of corrupt politicians and jew in Washington to ship overseas and lose a limb all in the name of the petro dollar.
Stay home and find fulfillment on your own, anon. Don't rely on the gov to do it for you. You'll just end up hating your self at the end of your, "eventful life" anyway.
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>>43185648
How about joining the Army and signing up for the post 911 GI bill?
Maybe try out for airbourne. That seems like a better option.
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>>43185648
>hello fellow men

Talk to your Navy recruiter.
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>>43187034
you'll commit suicide also.

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I live in NYC and will be stuck here for a few more years. Some beaner sucker-punched me on the subway today so I'm going to start carrying a gun.

>What's a good gun for deep concealment?
>What's the best way to CC a small handgun
>Is a .32 enough?
>What about a J-frame like my main man Bernie Goetz?
>Any ways to avoid being detected?
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>>43182708
It's easy to forget how shit it was
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>>43179677
I don't think it's illegal to carry a harpoon, even in NYC.
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>>43183083
Spic tranny detected.
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>>43187080
based lauren southern
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>>43183083
Kill yourself faggot. There's nothing wrong with being racist against lesser ape races.

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Sub machineguns, sawed of shotguns, even chopped LMG'S. Let's talk about serious concealed firepower.
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>>43186844
I guess that makes up for the awkward reloading process
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>>43175763
The sound of 7.62x51 shot from a barrel that short would cause as much damage as the projectile
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>>43177170
you've heard of grayman sure but I'm....
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>>43178405
>pushed back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5f1Fo4r4_I#t=120
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>>43186934
lmao

>Image Limit Reach
>Last Thread >>43118869

"Does FBI browsing /ak/?" edition
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>>43185005
>>43185232
BOTH. With caramel on top.
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They're gonna bully you
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LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE! Lack of Yukari in this thread make her feel sad and lonely. Now she's eating her lunch in a toilet. ALONE. And it all your FAULT!
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>>43187071
I love Yukari but I hate how it is always the same pictures all the time.
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