Is touhou reaching its end point?
>>21876667no, now get out
oh wow, it's Touhou is reclining thread #3354!
>>21876667not at all, back to /v/ with you
>>21876691>>21876692im not from /v/, and im asking a serious question. Just look at the lack of art being made for this game from japan, theyre all addicts for other shit like FGO and granblue and other gachashits
>>21876667no, but you probably are
What's up with all this touhou spam lately?
>>21876706ZUN doesn't need popularity to survive
>>21876719new game came out
>>21876719this is a touhou board
>>21876743Can you guys keep it to one thread please?
>>21876706if you're seriously basing popularity of a series against FGO, literally everything is a dead series in comparison. looking at twitch viewer numbers might be more up your alley
>>21876752No now piss off
>>21876752keep your 3dpd in one threadkeep your corporate virtual youtubers in one thread (and don't create a new one unless it archives for real)keep your JAV threads in one thread (or even better, go to /gif/ or /hc/ )
>>21876752Get the fuck back into your containment general.
>>21876746What are you talking about? This is the idol and JAV board.
>>21876803the Vtubers are actually not bad from what ive seen. They at least follow the virtue of one thread for their shit until bump limit. Its the other ones that dont follow through
>>21876816oh yeah im sorry, i forgot i was on /b/
>>21876752no fuck off with your 38493849 idolshit threadsZUN is right about calling out idolfags in the newest game.
I just want more touhou content. The fanbase is losing more and more people sadly
anon, muster up some doujin spirit and become yourself the content creator you dearly miss in your heart
>>21876808The hell, I had no idea this manga had an anime adaption. I bought the first volume for the hell of it at a used bookstore a long time ago and enjoyed it.
>>21876916I fucking suck with art unfortunately. I cant draw for shit even though im an amateur.
>>21876706>im not from /v/Doubt>Just look at the lack of art being made for this game from japanWe're not even a week past release you moron
>>21876706ZUN doesn't care what people think, he makes games because he enjoys them. Nothing about this game indicated some sort of closing point for the series (in fact it even started a new arc) so it's clear that he has no intentions of ending anything right now.
>>21876918I really liked it. Some stories were not that good but the characters changing over the course of the anime was really nice.Also Natsuki.Can't compare it with the Manga but I'll probably rectify that soon.
>>21876987and I agree. The new game does make me feel happy since A)It does have a batch of mostly memorable themes and designs, B)It hits pretty close to home with the UFO mechanics, weather you like them or not, and C)Having youmu as a playable character is always nice. Just a shame the fanbase isnt staying as large as it once was
>>21876752Imagine an invading crossboarder telling the Touhou board to keep Touhou in one thread. It's almost comical.
>>21876987Touhou probably won't have a logical end, ZUN's ideas will probably just dry up one day and that'll be it
>>21876706Reminder than in Pixiv, you have to addFate + Kancolle + Pokemon + Azur Lane + GFL + VTuber + Imas + Love-Live fanart numbers in order to barely beat Touhou's fanart numbers without r-18.
>>21877430remove the second layers of words and then this meme will be funny
>>21876667whatever spell zun cast on me years ago that made me enjoy the music and newhus wore off and now it all looks and sounds like garbagei think my iq has dropped beneath the threshold to be able to appreciate zun's genius
>>21877430oh wow it's like I'm back in 2010 /b/ haha
>>21877430XD funnee twitter meme
>>21877535Haha, Keiki mom said nigger! Awesome!
>>21877535MRS OKINA GET DOWN
>>21877711Taishi-sama's horse would never say that to Okina you shitposter.
>>21877711Go back and take your Twitter memes with you
>>21877790God I'm such a secondary trash...*masturbates furiously to flandre doujins*
>>21877484You have just been subjected to overexposure. Give it a break for a couple years and you'll appreciate it again.
>>21877830not him, but you sure? I stopped giving a fuck about new Touhous in 2013, recently I took another look at the series but I still can't accept anything released after 12.8.
Yes, since UFO. Next question please.
>>21877405ZUN seems like the kind of guy where he will raise his kid to take on the mantle of Shanghai Alice or something corny like that.
>>21876706It has been like this since the very beginning. Artworks doesn't just explode within days after the characters' reveal. There might be some exception like Shion but I'm sure this is not the norm. Even EoSD, PCB and IN cast took time to be what they are today.I'm afraid the sheer number build up for years and your desire for more content give you the illusion that popularity happen within seconds and twisted your logic.
>>21878456There are plenty more threads that deserve this. This thread is trying to give an estimate on how this franchise is at the moment.
>>21876706Also some Japanese artists doesn't post their shit until the game is out on Steam. Just like the demo. Something about avoiding spoilers
>>21878463>This thread is trying to give an estimate on how this franchise is at the moment.Do we really need a million "Touhou is reclining" threads? Who keeps hammering this question besides newfags anyway?
>>21878666>millionWe hadn't had those in a while
>>21878549>>21876706yeah like a month after touhou 17's demo came out EVERY artist started drawing the chicken. sure it's the same again.
>>21876667People leave as they realize that the non-human characters are nothing but mass murderers and subjugators of humanity and that Reimu is willing to murder any human that gets in their way
>>21876752Seriously, why are people complaining about touhou ‘spamming’? Waifu posters spam as many as they like and nobody argues about it.But when we get some real topics, they ask us to stop...
Is /jp/ declining?
>>21879448it's more like a free fall
>>21879448It can't decline if it's always been shitty
Is this the typical milennial thread?"I want EVERYTHING at the BEST quality RIGHT NOW and if it's not here, then shit's unpopular and it's time to JUMP ship."
>>21880710Who are you quoting?
>>21880710>milennialI don't think this word means what you think it means. It's spelled millennial either way.
>>21881137Fucking crossboarders stop posting pictures from sites that stole out shit, the quality gets worse every time you fuckers repost stoles shit that was made here
>>21876667I'm worried the most about his liver
>>21881137agree and disagree. There are times where I believe its true, and times where 2hu just feels like a drop in the bucket to others. The amount of new video content is slowly dying for this franchise sadly
>>21880710If you mean by that, go to the JAV and Vtuber threads, those fit those bills
>>21883634For everything really, it isn't just Touhou. I thought all these content creators would go to another series but we're not seeing much from other series.
w-what will we do when touhou dies? I don't want it to be over
>>218794484chan as a whole is, the entire internet seems to have gone in a free fall ever since smartphones became common but it's like this site was particularly hurt by them.And yet I feel like it's going to get even worse next year thanks to new elections and normalfags parroting their hilarious olympics doomposting.
>>21884250sadly that is all true, and im gonna hate all these tourists going to here to bother about the olympics. we are heading to a darker time once more
>>21883814Touhou has to be one of the most stagnant franchies in existence. It does less to innovate and has less effort put into it than Pokemon. I kind of am beginning to feel this way about weeb media in general. It's the same thing repackaged year after year. Actually, is there really any medium left that does anything new? Maybe I'm just getting old.
>>21884514You're just reaching that point in life where you can't enjoy a certain medium anymore.
>>21884601not intended to beI am eagerly awaiting the day I finally lose interest in imageboards so nobody has to listen to me bitch and moan any longer
>>21884514Touhou is a formulaic shmup series since the beginning. What do you expect? For ZUN to make a 2hu platformer?
>>21884851I'd like a 2hu platformer lowkey even when we have several ones
>>21876706>lack of art being madeLike I could give two shits about trend-hopping artists. The artists I follow have continued to draw Touhou for years, for whatever reason.
Oldhus and newhus are all very cute. I don't get what's not to like. But new fans are going to be few and far between simply because touhou is an arcade style PC game. It will never blow up again unless ZUN sells out and makes a shitty gacha mobage.
>>21884922>shitty gacha mobageAre there good gacha mobages?
>>21885092id say girls frontline is a good mobage since it isnt that taxing on the player and doesnt have much for whales
>>21884922Pretty sure lil Japanese children know Touhou more than any gacha, though.
>>218845142hu is made only by one person 90% of the time. Nowhere near comparable to Pokemon.Not to mention even if it doesn't always work, we get stuff like photography games, flying fighting games,GFW, ISB, etc.
>>21884250I just went into the Japanese thread out of curiosity because they keep changing the thread title and evading my filter, and I can't believe I share a website with these people, never mind a board. Here's hoping 4chan gets deplatformed by Cloudflare soon.
>>21885338you think thats bad just go to any thread that begins with a wojak in its OP. brings in so many dumbasses/underages
>>21884886It's because this is all your dream and what you see is only what you subconsciously want to see. But you need to wake up now, your family is worried about you.
>>21877857That just means you're at that period of life where nothing stands out or leaves an impression on you.
>>21876667ZUN is going to make games until he runs out of ideas for gameplay gimmicks or until his liver fails.
>>21876752You fucking imbecile. You disgusting fucking invader. Do you even understand board culture? Do you even know what /jp/ is? Do you have any fucking clue how this site formerly worked? We did not post in "generals" as if we were on a forum or some gay shit. This is an image board, a naturally fast-moving entity where multiple threads about similar topics not only can and will, but SHOULD be posted without regard to regiments, structure, or ratio of threads of a certain type. Touhou is not "spammed", this is how image boards work. You dare to come here and tell US not to post too much of the very thing the board was created to house? This was created as a solution for people who liked making many threads to joke about touhou characters and whom /a/, the tasteless fags, had started to complain about. You're an insult to this site simply by existing, leave and never, ever return. I don't even want to see you in hell, so please find another afterlife.
>>21885972If only it was possible to have discussions about "niche Japanese interests" outside of generals without getting flooded off the board by all the 2hu imagedumps and idolshit.
>>21879448It's pronounced "reclining" you cretinand yes, //jp/ has been in free fall right from the beginning
>>21886139You could try another website, might have more luck.
>>21885838no, it's not me.recently I was absolutely in love with some lesser known NIS titles for example. But ZUN isn't trying anymore. There's a certain magic to the 6-12hus that it's hard for me to pin down, but can't be denied.
>>21881330>the quality gets worse every time you fuckers repost stoles shit that was made hereJPEG was a mistake. We urgently need an image format with lossy initial compression but lossless recompression.
>>21876921so did ZUN and r07 when they first started, thats no excuse. all you need is a good idea and passion anon>>21876706you people who give a shit about the raw pixiv numbers or whoever is top dog at comiket are from /v/ or /a/ for sure. touhou has held very steady at comiket and reitaisai is still going strong so its not falling at all>>21885338the threads that have homes on other boards but still post here like djt or monstergirl are magnets that pull crossies in. VTuber does too but as much as i hate them i cant see a way to say they're not otaku culture. this site would need a youtube or eceleb board
>>21887668>NISIf it's anything other than ZHP then you need to get out.
>>21887668so just because you don't like it, ZUN "isn't trying"? fuck off with that mindset. your tastes changed. people lose interest in hobbies all the time.
>>21887668ZUN hasn't trying anymore since MoF. Parsee, Yuugi, Okuu, entire UFO cast sans Kogasa and Byakuren, are forced abominations.Hell, I think Eirin and Shikieiki are ugly because of shit color scheme. EoSD and PCB are truly the only games with good cast design overall.
>>21887798>EoSD and PCB are truly the only games with good cast design overall.There was really no better way of rounding things off than highlighting that you have the shittiest taste imaginable. Here, have two "forced abominations".
>>21887857Ugh, a sailor and weird wings. It has strayed way off from EoSD/PCB design and aesthetics that are simple yet memorable.
>>21888278they're only memorable because of all the fanart and mediaif eosd and pcb came out now, you'd probably think they were too simplistic and dull
>>21888278Oh please don't tell me that three fairies, Meido DIO, chink gatekeeper and vampire lolis are really original and memorable and not incredibly generic. Thank god (lmao) that EoSD was peak 2hu popularity.But yeah, tell me how this is an abomination and an horrible mistake compared to a dork swordswoman.
>>21888336Parsee is overdesigned shit. That dress is horrible.
>>21888278>simple yet memorableMurasa has a very simple design
>>21888305>if eosd and pcb came out now, you'd probably think they were too simplistic and dullNow that I think about it, you're right.Sakuya is just a plain maid. Rumia is also too plain.Letty and Prismrivers are forgettable, and Yukari PCB dress is the plainest thing for the so-called Phantasm boss. It's just a fucking plain purple dress with some ribbons, a huge step down from Yuyuko and Ran.So what does it mean? That Touhou has design has always been hit or miss? I always say has ZUN lost his touch since earlier games but then again Yuuka and Raiko has similiar basic design concept with different look. Same with IN Yukari and Junko, Chen and Kyoko/Yoshika, Sanae and Futo, Nitori and Mamizou, Yuyuko and Shinmyoumaru, Suika and Seija, Tewi and Seiran, Sagume and moonbitches, Wriggle and Aunn, Medicine and Mai/Satono, Iku and Eika, Yuugi and Yachie, etc. You can switch both the first three stages bosses of IN and DDC with each other along with slight plot modification and they will fit right in, or IN with LoLK.Does that mean that Touhou has always been shit since the beginning because basically there are similiarities between new and old design? That almost each game also has design freak like Flandre, Suwako, Satori, Nue, Miko, Clownpiece, etc? Is "earlier is better" just an illusion because Eirin "half blue-half red nurse with granny braid" and Eiki "Kenshiro design with dumbest hat and unmatching green hair" exist? I'm fucking confused.
>>21888922design works man. ZUN can make a memorable design like with some, or just completely miss when it comes to others. Its a testament to his work in a way if a character is able to be fondly remembered like with youmu or koishi, or severly forgotten like ben ben and ringo
>>21876803this would unironically revive /jp/ desu
>>21888278What do you mean "memorable"? Every single EoSD design is generic as fuck, maybe Flandre being the exception because of her colorful wings. The good thing is that he picked up originality since then.
>>21888922you have to look at culture in its proper context. back when touhou picked up in popularity in the west, a universe filled with fairies, vampires, various ghosts and nature spirits that sort of blended eastern and western mythology ranked pretty high on the novelty and whacky scale. it's just that since then even mainstream art has gotten a lot weirder.I mean, fuck, do you think something like Azumanga Daioh or Rozen Maiden could achieve any kind of memetic popularity if it were released today? Even if it were well animated?
>>21876803God fucking this, the monster girl posters tend to stick to one thread why can't these twats do so?
>>21889127because theres too many fucking idols or someshit.
>>21888278EoSDfags are just the fucking worst sometimes.
>>21888922i don't think hit or miss designs make touhou shit, there's always going to be story, music and gameplay to make up for it. at least theres a hu for everyones taste.
>>21876667>>21876706You'd been saying this since TD.Meanwhile touhout has been breeding a new fucking generation of fans.
i'm 99% sure touhou will end on 20th game.
>>21889337Touhou is not as popular as it used to be
>>21888922I'm convinced complaint about the new designs are actually complaints about the color palette in the modern games.The saturation is way too high and it uses too many primary colors. The old washed out watercolor/oekaki look is what made the pre-MoF characters special.
>>21889649not as popular but still relevant
>>21884250>new elections and normalfags parroting their hilarious olympics doomposting.Fuck this is just going to be bad. The countless spam of >Japan is DOOMED, Censorship!!!!! >Mah elections!!!I can only hope after this shit ends normalfags go back. There is good news kind of. I did look into analytics and apparently the sites Normalfag base is 1/3rd the size it was a few years back. >>21885338Anon let me tell you. It's far worse in other boards. Imagine>Catchphrases all over the place (tranny, dilate, have sex) >Upvote downvote(cringe and based)>Threads about stupid people's opinions on social media.>Thinly vieled political threads that turn into /pol/. >Wojak and Pepe in various formsIt's peak Normalfag and I hate it.
>>21890194its literally why I like /jp/: this cancer is not here
>>21890203And mods actually DO their job. Especially on /vr/ and /bant/ . It's sad that /g/ and /v/ have devolved into brand worship as well as the issues I mentioned above. But I am glad to have this as my main board. It's a safe Haven.
>>21890231Is /bant/ actually good? I dislike that board for its first few months
>>21890237Best way to describe it is that it's a decent board to go to once in awhile and it tries to be funny and not take itself seriously.
>>21876667The official stuff? I don't know, ZUN said he would continue to make games as long as he finds it fun to do so. But with all the stories of ZUN admitting to rushing things, him saying he felt lonely during WBaWC crunch time and the general quality of the games (amount of bugs/generic and uncreative danmaku), it seems he's beginning to run out of steam. Of course I hope that's not the case but I think it's likely that he'll retire from making games after releasing Touhou 20. He'll probably still be writing manga/books and releasing his own music CDs for a while after that though. As for the fandom, it's true that doujin attendance has been steadily declining for years now but fan art production is as high as ever. The Western fandom has boomed with many new fans over the last 5 years and apparently Touhou is really popular with school-aged kids in Japan. If ZUN really does stop making games in 5~8 years then I'm pretty sure there'll still be a good amount of content for at least 10 years after that point.
>>21890437I hope ZUN at least takes more time in-between planning each game, I think it'll improve the quality plus he'll have more time to actually relax and take care of his kids. I don't mind waiting longer than we already do for new material.
>>21876667Fanwork, which is better than ZUN's original work by a factor of at least a million, is nowhere near dead on Pixiv.ZUN was a great inspirer of better work like Rumiko Takahashi was to Atsuko Nakajima.
>>21890530Almost no fanworks can match ZUN's penchant for crafting dreamy fantasy atmosphere. ZUN's Gensokyo is never grimdark but never saccharine either, and his habit for intentionally being vague lends it a great sense of fantastical mysticism few fanworks even attempt, even the serious ones. Reading his print works is always quite fun.
>>21889625Nah he's right. 2009 with UFO, soku and bad apple was the summit of touhou popularity.
>>21887798>Yuugi>AbominationWell, yeah she isn't supposed to be pretty.
>>21891319I think you've misinterpreted my post's intent. People have been saying the franchise is finished far before TD despite it not being the case.
>>21890437I don't know if I see him quitting games soon, but if he's having to crunch for his own shit he should probably stop trying to aim for yearly releases
>>21890437>As for the fandom, it's true that doujin attendance has been steadily declining for years nowIt's been fairly steady for a while now. We'll never see MoF peak again but the fan response is far from dying. Day 4 was the most populous day at Comiket due in no small part to Touhou.Plus it seems to be very popular with teenage girls so there will be more coming
>>21876667No it's not.But her stage and fight theme are making me think things.
>>21893715what are you implying
>>21895829You tell me
>>21876921neither can ZUN, just make fun content
>>21876667"Wait, what do you mean fandoms gradually decline and then plateau off after hitting their peak?? I thought it was supposed to keep snowballing forever WTF this is bullshit!"There's still new Touhou fancontent being produced every single day, which is a LOT more than I can say for most other fanbases I've been a part of. So long as new canon content (and by extension, new characters) are being made, diehards will stay attached. If fair-weathered fans decide to move onto stuff like Kancolle (remember when THAT was supposed to be "the Touhou killer"?), Azur Lane, FGO, or whatever FOTM, that's their prerogative and I'm fine with it. Being the new hotness for too long is how you get an insufferable fanbase like post-anime Jojo. Touhou was never quite at GUYS IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE levels, but boy am I glad that I can walk 2 steps without hearing UN Owen any more.Kuso thread OP, I upvoted. P.S. Reimu will never be in Smash Bros, sorry to disappoint.
>>21903673good. fuck reimu in smash. Smash is fun but I dont want that fanbase anywhere near them
>>21903673Who are you quoting?
>>21903732I bet 100% /v/, or he wrote this shit on his own
>>21876667Quite the opposite, really. I don't think I've seen people this excited over a release in a while. I honestly think that 17 is going to usher in and bring back new fans and old ones as well.
>>21890194>here is good news kind of. I did look into analytics and apparently the sites Normalfag base is 1/3rd the size it was a few years back.The problem is that that'll likely shoot back up as the election nears - give it 6/8 months. I'm still a bit hopeful that it won't be nearly as bad, and that Hiro won't start his own doomposting bullshit again ('buy passes!' 'costs are too high, we need ads!', saying stupid shit and then disappearing for hours/days and letting us go wild with speculation) but we won't know until then, I guess.
>>21903673>Reimu will never be in Smash BrosThat's a good thing
>>21887668>shikieikientire post discardedfucking kill yourself
>>21906792What are you talking about? new game is shit and so are all the newhus.ZUN can't keep introducing characters for the sake of it and then have people take care of them while he moves on.
>>21890437>Touhou is really popular with school-aged kids in Japan>>21893326>Plus it seems to be very popular with teenage girls so there will be more comingNot that I'm questioning it, but where's this coming from? Especially the school-aged kids thing?
>>21907312But that's how touhou is from the begining. Some of the new characters will certainly appear in future printworks.
>>21907461It reached a point where there's just too many irrelevant characters.You can't continue like this forever, people are starting to realise it's pointless to care about the characters.
>>21907479Every 2hu girl has its fans, and, as we've already seen, each game has its characters who continue forward. If you haven't noticed, the fandom stuff - doujins (h and not h), music, novels, manga,etc - use different characters all the time. It's the benefit of having so many characters, not a detriment. Obviously not every character can have story necessity, but that's fine.