guys check out my christmas chinitsu powered by shimocha
>Wanna learn how to play?Rules: http://mahjong-europe.org/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30&Itemid=166Play against bots: https://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html(alternative HTML5 version in Japanese: https://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong.html)>Wanna play against other people?On Tenhou: http://tenhou.net/0/>Wanna read more about mahjong?Strategy book for beginner to intermediate players: https://riichi.dynaman.net/Strategy articles: https://osamuko.com/Pastebin with the rest of the information:https://pastebin.com/rLTVrQC7How's your month going?I managed to screenshot my stats before the month rolled over, so now I can present them to you. As you can see, I had a pretty good month.
>two kokushi within two days of each otherSANTA IS REAL
>slowly gaining points as oorasu dealer>in mangan tsumo range of first>yeah, 8pin is ponned, this 7p seems safe even if toimen seems to be going for chinitsu>double ron>fall to lastseriously not believing in santa here
I saw like five houtei today
Mahjong is such a tough game. You can play great all game, but if you let your guard down for just one turn then you might easily find yourself last instead of first. Just like Jesus said. Damn.
if I clicked the other tile I could've gotten second
I had suuankou tenpai today, but it's actually probably not something to be proud of since I took the 1 tile suuanko/sananko over confirmed sananko+ryanmen wait
>>20515676Dear Anons, when you're in toimen's position, don't click the Ron button.>>20516465Depends on the point situation and whether you had any dora and so on. Might very well have been fine.
watching some m-league players talk about m-league made me realize how different m-league feels from other leagues because smashing the tiles against the table loudly is forbidden
>>20517270>toimendemons of winning or somethingIT SHINES I COMPLIES
>pon tile>want to discard really fast>tiles move as ponned tiles are removed to the side>drop one half of my jantou>toimen oya is faster this way>he gets mangan tsumo>he gets mangan tsumo>I end up secondcome on
>>20522338Who are you quoting?
okay I brought you the picture. I kept thinking until the clock ticked down then pressed riichi to win some more time and then discarded 7s.I instantly regretted it as this hand would've been pretty damn awesome with just 6s riichiI make horrible decisions like this in every game, and I realize how horrible they are in no time, leading to infinite frustration
>gets 6 dora>still ends up second
The year is coming to an end. How did you do in December?
>>20523460well I managed to get to 100 games before the timer reset, so at least I played a lot. This is my best month since I've started playing, but I still make very silly mistakes despite ranking up to 四段. Last game I got sniped by 2 consecutive dama mangans: one by kamicha and one by shimocha. Still, I managed to nab second place, so I guess this was a decent way to end the year.
>>20523085You discarded 5s already so 6s riichi would put you in furiten. If you weren't going to chase suuankou then you should've just cut 5m last turn to wait on 47m.
>>20525120Getting close to Tokujou anon. Don't worry too much about dama. As long as your fundamentals are right you should make it pretty soon.
MCR player here. Just switched over to Riichi because nobody plays MCR in America and teaching it to people is a nightmare.I've got a question for anyone experienced enough to have encountered this on Tenhou. According to Arcturus' page on Enchousen, >The instant a player scores above the target points with a winning hand, then the game ends immediately; and the same player wins the game. >However, ryuukyoku cannot end the game.But all Tenhou says on the matter is>Sudden death brings the game into the next wind. >As soon as someone attains 30,000 points (riichi deposits are removed from players' scores), the game ends.So does Tenhou ignore the rule about exhaustive draw tenpai payments (getting to 30,000 points via tenpai from the noten players) preventing someone from winning in the sudden death round? Also, can tying in the non-sudden death round bring the game into sudden death, or does the sudden death round only get triggered when no one has scored 30,000 points? And the Tenhou rules state that in a tie game, the winner goes to the "earlier dealership." Does that mean whoever is closest to east wind?And one more question is this rule>At the end of a game, points are rounded to the closest thousand, "4 down, 5 up"Is this still in effect? I notice the endgame scores when I played didn't round to the nearest thousand and instead kept track of the individual hundreds people had.
>>20512397what's his endgame?
>>20526845I think it's this way: if the dealer gets tenpai in ryuukyoku, then there is renchan. If the dealer completes his hand, then if he is not the first, there is renchan, if he is the first and over 30k he wins and the game stops. If the last turn is ryuukyoku, then the game ends as long as there is someone above 30k and there is no renchan.If you are tied, then the game still ends (tiebreaker is starting winds or something)About the points, it's just for the points with the oka and uma, the pluses and minuses you can see in this post as well: >>20526872
>>20526845>The instant a player scores above the target points with a winning hand, then the game ends immediately; and the same player wins the game. How it works is that the game cannot end if dealer isn't in 1st and maintains control during the west round. If tenpai payments are enough to push someone over, then you will keep playing until either the dealer loses control (noten), or dealer reaches first with tenpai payments and a total score over 30000. If there is a double ron including the dealer that pushes someone else over 30000 which also keeps the dealer out of first into first there is still another hand. In a rarer rule, the game will end after west rounds are concluded regardless of whether someone reaches 30000 or not, but the same rules apply. If the dealer maintains control in West 4, there can be more than 1 West 4.>At the end of a game, points are rounded to the closest thousand, "4 down, 5 up"It is optional and most rules count the first decimal point, Tenhou's defaults don't. You can set it as an option in a custom lobby though.
>>20523124I have had a yakuman only get me to second and another game where someone got to second off a yakuman.
>>20527938>>20530041Thank you both. That makes a lot more sense!With that all sorted, the only thing left to learn is the Japanese names to all these hands. I've only ever played with the EMA terms: full flush, mixed triple chow, etc. I have to google half of what you guys are talking about.
Not to be that person again but if you install the translation add-on you could run EMA translation as the main set of terms with the normal ones appearing upon pressing ctrl. Or vice versa.
>>20532679I've already been doing exactly that. I was only trying to learn them for the sake of reading this thread a little easier.
happy new year when it gets to you. I wish you all good haipai, lucky tsumos, and many yakuman.
>>2052346018+17+12+16 in Joukyuui guess i'm not bad at this game anymore so that's cool
>>20535259A bit high on the fourths, but good progress by the sounds of it. Good luck in tokujou in 2019!
Have you praised the turtle of good fortune and wisdom today?http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2019010120gm-0089-0000-e394f00f&tw=2
Made it to tokujou and played pretty decently in my first game! (got 3rd)
>>20538102Good fortune indeed!http://tenhou.net/3/?log=2019010203gm-0089-0000-40d9b1c8&tw=0
>>20538102I got shodan for the first time!
new years mahjong live on abemaget in
>get fourth>get third>okay I'll play one more trying to redeem this day>I am east>tenhou disconnects me as I click to discard>reconnects 4 turns later>turns out the first discard didn't go through>disconnects again as I discard>happens about three more times>after that I couldn't even try to reconnect>I figured tenhou might be dying again or something>check points later>the points are gone, I got 4thfucking tenhou adds insult to injury
>dora is a safe tile>what could go wrong
https://abema.tv/now-on-air/mahjongwareme coming up, rev up your VPNs and get in
Does Tenhou calculate pao payments correctly? http://tenhou.net/3/?log=2014102312gm-00c1-0000-afb21fa5&tw=3&ts=2This replay shows the liable player and the discarder both splitting the cost of the two yakuman West got, but the liable player also had to pay for the honba. I thought the discarder had to pay the honba and that the liable player only has to split the cost of the yakuman he helped the winner make, not the tsuuiisou as well. Do most tournaments calculate pao payments like this?
my first yakuman!
>>20547132also it's fucking dorasan!
https://osamuko.com/yaku-overview-pdf/The pdf link is down. Does anyone here still have this file?
>>20548759not 100% it's the file you're looking for, but here you go:https://www54.zippyshare.com/v/5Hwv2JMC/file.html
watching the new years all star mahjong show, and the bald guy chombo'd. so funny
I'm down to fucking 1738R from barely tokujou. I might have gotten mad and played suboptimally, but the bullshit I've seen today was just unbelieavably gay.
>>20553117I've fallen from tokujou to 1690R and got back to 1815R recently. Don't give up anon!
Who 4dan hell here?I'm 4dan with 1675R.Been here for a few months already.No improvement in sight.
>>20553333I hope I won't ever go that low. Good luck man!>>20553332that's encouraging. 4 new mahjong books just arrived, so I'm gonna do my best
>>20553933Thanks, I know I probably still do lots of errors but feels unlucky man.
>>20553333What are your 1st/4th rates? 2nd and 3rd are almost irrelevant.
>>20554092Currently,1st 0.2414th 0.198
>>20554020Yeah, I know the feeling. Today I had a guy riichi in the second turn, and then get an ippatsu tsumo haneman. Meanwhile I had 2-3 triple dora tenpais either go to ryuukyoku or "blocked" by cheap hands. I had a funny turn though, where I had completely normal tiles, got a riichi dora hand, and only discarded pinzu and souzu for the whole turn. They might have thought I was going for honitsu/chinitsu, because no one else tenpaied at ryuukyoku (this is very rare in tokujou as people push all the time). I should check the replays for that one.
>>20554104Not bad, but you'll probably gain rate slowly with those, as losing with 4th usually brings down R a little bit more than winning with 1th. Try having a few of those 4th become 3rds I guess.
>>20554104I think you should post your monthly 1/4 rates. I have a quite high 4th rate all around from back when I couldn't even win in ippan, but it's not representative of my current performance.
>>20554135Well I didn't get to play much last month so I'll post them on January's end.
>that one time I got a cute picture for free>it actually cries for coup de grace without me knowing
Does anyone know where I can watch the past M-League games in full?Their youtube account only has the first one, and the rest of their videos are just highlights from televised matches.
my brain is small, how does suji work?
>>20555412Simple. Say that someone made a riichi, and that he's waiting on a double sided wait, (eg he has 45, waiting on 3-6). That's usually what happens, people don't like all that much to riichi on single waits.Now, if he threw a 5, this would complete a 34 or a 67 two-sided wait. Which means you can throw a 2 or an 8: because if he does has a two-sided wait, either it's not one of those, or he threw a winning tile, which would put him furiten.The sujis are 4 (suji for 1 and 7), 5 (2 and 8) and 6 (3 and 9).Now, of course, this only applies to 2-sided waits. Let's take the previous example, if the guy threw his 5 from a 1-3-5 shape, then the 2 is actually the most dangerous tile. Don't trust suji when it comes late, especially on the riichi tile (because then it's pretty likely he did have a shape like the one I said)There's a few more tricks. The suji for 1 (4) and 9 (6) are more trustworthy. For example if the guy threw a 6, the only remaining way he can wait on a 9 is with a single or a pair wait (like 99), which is less likely to happen than the previous example of 1 3 5 i've used.Also, the suji works when the guy discards the middle tile (5), but it can also work if the guy discards *the two* exterior tiles (2 and 8). For example, if a guy discards 2 and 8, the 5 is now likely safe. He can't have a 34 or a 67 wait.
Speaking of which, are where any statistics based on tenhou logs? Like, the % of riichi using double sided waits. One beer on it's about 60%
>>20555476Oh, that makes a lot more sense all of a sudden.So if he's got 4 and 5 in his discards, then 1, 2, 7, 8 are all likely safe assuming they have a two-sided wait, with 1 being extra safe?
>>20555704You got it. Be aware though that the latest the suji tiles (4/5 here) came out, the less reliable they are, especially if there are doras easy to use: after all, a simple riichi+dora or riichi+tanyao+dora can become an 8000 points hand, so most people would riichi on this kind of hand. Especially if they can use a suji trap to bait people into dealing in their hands.It's still very useful to defend, in most cases you won't be dealing in, and if you deal in then at least the guy won't have pinfu. Suji with exterior tiles (eg dropping 3 and 9 so 6 is safe) seems more reliable, it's harder to make traps with those.My point is that if you're going to fold, you should break your hand for 100% safe tiles regardless of suji. But if your hand is close to completion and you can see relatively safe sujis to throw without destroying it, that's neat. And of course, most importantly, when you have nothing safe to defend with, using suji is one of your last lifelines and you should use it.Kabe (walls) can be really good too.
>>20553933What books did you buy?
This game is too hard
>>20557365Wow, nice baiman.
>>20557611>>20557365What I actually meant was "Sorry for your baiman".
>>20554808abema.tv has some for free (maybe not all). https://abema.tv/video/title/444-1they all say あと２日間 so they're only free for 2 more days (afterwards you can only watch them with abema premium)>>20556253pic related. the Ooi book is less of a strategy book (or you could call it his strategy book for life, he says something like this in there). the two on the right are two of the most popular what would you discard books in Japan. the one on the top left deals with statistics and mahjong, with many graphs and many words, it looks like the densest book out of these four.
>>20558314Oh cool, good picks. I've got all of those except for Ooi's book.
>>20558314Top left looks like an isekai LN.Even the blurb>麻雀戦術のパラダイムシフトはここから始まった！Sounds cheesy enough to come from one
>>20559072It's not wrong. The original version of that book was the one that essentially kicked off the paradigm shift to digital theory.
>>20558314I didn't expect anime bitches to be on so many of these. Is there a large overlap between mahjong players and otaku in Japan? I know there is in the west because almost everyone is introduced to mahjong through Saki or FKMT.
>>20559322there must be with titles like this
>>20559322>Is there a large overlap between mahjong players and otaku in Japan?I'm not sure.Everytime I go to parlors it's either salarymen or people who look like unemployed guys in their 40s.Another demographic is university students, but those are constantly decreasing, and it doesn't seem to have a strong correlation with being an otaku either.
>>20559525Maybe there's a gap between online players and jansou players? I imagine there's many people who prefer playing on tenhou (or sega MJ) to parlors
>>20558314>abema.tv has some for free (maybe not all). https://abema.tv/video/title/444-1The player doesn't seem to work on any browser I've tried.I even tried Chrome like it asked me to, but it just displays some off-center loading animation forever.
>>20559735try using a (different) VPN
MAKE MY WISH COME TRUEEERYAN UU MAN FOR CHRISTMAS WITH YOU(tsumo'd the last dora uuman for a gyakuten by 300 points)
>>20560770uuman uuu uu uuu~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HoRMNXLo78of course the fucking yakuman happens in the game I didn't watch
https://youtu.be/WK43oBpXEL4suttan tenpai in the last game
>>20558314where did you get the books? I can't read moon but a wwyd book with a phone translator would make my game better
>>20564317honto.jpshipping is cheaper and slower than amazon japan. also, consider buying a digital copy for less money and more convenience (not to mention sharing with your fellow thread members). if you end up going digital, go for amazon though, as it's easy to remove their DRM and share keep in mind that 何切る300 is the first book that appeared, and it was designed to be the most difficult wwyd according to the author (I read this in the 301 intro). 何切る301 on the other hand is filled with more common patterns, it's the easier book of the two. you should probably start with 301
>first week of 2019>chankan get>witnessed suuankou (and got mercy 2nd as a result)>almost got iipei sanshoku, until it's ruined by loltanyaoGood start for this year. How's your mahjong life so far, guys?
>>20565620>7:3:6:6>suuanko get>could've had another suuanko tenpai, chose to take it as sananko + 1-4s ryanmen machi riichi which was still plenty expensive>it didn't come>tenhou disconnected me in round 1 and didn't let me rexonnect
>>20565620Decided to watch Saki.After 11 episodes in a row, and finishing the tournament arc, I played on tenhou and immediately got suuankou.
>discards after calling but before grabbing the tile>needs a scoring table just to figure out what his hand is worth>prefers to use the Japanese names for the tiles over the preferred American onesTell me none of you guys seriously do this in public, right?
>>20566468>>discards after calling but before grabbing the tileNothing wrong with that. Some parlors prefer you to do that.>prefers to use the Japanese names for the tiles over the preferred American onesI seriously hope you're not using the dumb American naming. Good luck naming "pinfu". As long as you're not calling "dora san" to say you've got 3 doras of course.
>>20566468Did this nigga just take a random picture of some random dude he was playing against?
>>20566538>Nothing wrong with that. Some parlors prefer you to do that.kek I think you need to watch some etiquette videos again.https://youtu.be/tJU2ypBFOXo?t=36https://youtu.be/97rviFyLFlw?t=349>Good luck naming "pinfu"Easy. All chows or all sequences if you're some kind of dirty Euro player.And unlike in your anime, the rest of the world calls them dots, bams, and cracks. Even my grandma knows that.
>>20566628Is your 90 views video supposed to prove anything? I'm speaking from experience here, I've been in a few tournaments and referees tried to force me to discard *before* taking the tile. It probably depends on where you're playing, but either way there's nothing wrong with discarding before taking the tile.>All chowsThat's not what pinfu is. A better translation would be "no points" but that doesn't indicate anything.>And unlike in your anime, the rest of the world calls them dots, bams, and cracksThose are pinZus, not pinfu. Fuck off retard, go back to take pictures of people you play with or something.
>>20566684>Is your 90 views video supposed to prove anything?>he doesn't know about LAPOM's YouTube channel>That's not what pinfu is. A better translation would be "no points" but that doesn't indicate anything.It would actually be a "no mini-points" hand, if we're using EMA terms, but let's not get on our high horses here. It's an all-chows hand, plain and simple. The hand name doesn't have to mention every minute detail to be correct.>Those are pinZus, not pinfu. Fuck off retard, go back to take pictures of people you play with or something.Learn to read. I was talking about how you guys call the TILES pin, sou, and man. You do know the difference between the tile names and the hand names, right anon?
Correct manzu for "wan" for even better impact.
great, now that the faggot who's autistic about quoting on 4chan gets ignored we now have this homo to derail our threads
>>20567123I don't mind if it means that the thread will die less often.>>20566468favorite part of the picture is the way the guys shimocha's tiles are separated into groups.
>>20567171>he doesn't separate his tiles for maximum calling efficiency
>>20566756Why would I care about some Youtube faggot?>It's an all-chows hand, plain and simple. The hand name doesn't have to mention every minute detail to be correct."All chows" implies you can open it and doesn't reflect on the double wait condition.>Learn to readTile names had nothing to do here, you're the one who brought it up without context and I'm supposed to follow your autistic train of thought?
>>20567210>"All chows" implies you can open it and doesn't reflect on the double wait conditionBut you can open a pinfu, anon. It's even called an OPEN PINFU :^)>Tile names had nothing to do here, you're the one who brought it up without contextBut my original post even said >prefers to use the Japanese names for the tiles over the preferred American onesYou were the one who started sperging out about the hand names
Wait they are serious. >>>/global/rules/4 Stop posting easily identifiable dudes of a niche hobby without their permission on an anonymous image board.
>>20567253Fuck off with this shit
>>20567333tfw you recognize the guy
>>20567253damn Aki really let herself go
>>20567333>posting pictures of riichi players from google images is considered doxxing nowwew lad
>>20567333Calm down. These are public figures in the mahjong community. It’s not a rule violation.
>>20545383Did you change your wait as you drew the dora?
>>20555704I wouldn't rely on them being safe.39 discarded means that 6 is MAYBE safe. If you're first with +12k points in the lead, then just throw away safe tiles.If it's the last round and everything is close, you might have to risk it but be aware of the risk.
>>20567496Not everyone he has posted is a public figure.
>>20566468>discards after calling but before grabbing the tileI do this to not make people wait. Make a call, reveal your tiles, discard a tile, other players can proceed (call my tile or draw) meanwhile I take the tile I called.
>>20567210In the other anon’s defense. Most of the Japanese names for the hands don’t really imply technical details like whether the hand can be closed or not. Riichi literally just means “ready.” I think the point of a hand name is just to present the main idea of its shape.
>>20523124Whoms't did you quote?
How many of you guys play this game irl? Is it worth joining a club or am I just asking to be inundated with autism?
>>20574788There's some autism but it's mostly good fun with normal people. I like it.
>>20574819Alright, I'll give it a shot then. I have a fairly big club in my area, but so far I've only ever played the game online or casually with family members.
>>20574927Yeah that's enough. When I joined a club a few months ago I had only played the game online. Most people don't know stuff like scoring tables or all the yakus. It's a lot more fun irl.
>>20574788My local club is pretty nice, no autism except for one guy acting a bit autistically.
>>20574965>that one saki weeb that wont shut up and will keep pulling rinshan out of his ass which in turn will make him speak more
>>20574788I'd play it irl if I could but it's absolutely nonexistent here and I don't feel like being the one to establish some mahjong club
>>20574788only a chink mahjong federation in my country. I bought a set, and I want to teach some people to play, but I've had no success as of yet.
>>20512397>https://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.htmlThis place fucking sucks to learn to play.The computer does the dumbest shit, putting itself in furiten and so on.I hate it.
>>20575991The computer being bad is actually better for your learning.
>>20575997If it was only bad it wouldn't be so terrible.It also gets the best "luck", does bullshit waits on shit it knows you have and every time I get dealt a hand close to tenpai, one of them calls riichi after two or three discards.It is brutal. It's like being a normal guy in the Saki universe, where everyone has bullshit powers.
>>20575991The fact that you have all the time you want to think about your plays is the main advantage of learning using that game.
I will never get good
>>20577951At least you are not me.>I won't ever be not slow
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2019010603gm-0009-0000-6d44ffed&tw=1&ts=3>one of these already happened this yearFuck this guy
>>20578596do you check the yakuman list so you can get mad at the lucky ones?
>>20575991The reasons you learn there are that everything is turn based, everything is translated, and it includes a yaku list. It is meant as a crutch until you can move on to the pace of normal online play. If you want a good AI then there is Mattari, but that would destroy new players.
>>20579401>If you want a good AI then there is MattariIs this good for practicing if you're somewhat seasoned at the game? Also any place to download it?
>>20585947Goddamnit I thought I saw it first.
If I'm building a closed hand and I Ron to complete it, doesn't that count as opening the hand?
>>20586350No. Your hand is open only if you call chi, pon, or kan.
>>20585607Thanks, anon.I heard Bakuuchi is also supposed to be some kind of really good AI. Anyone know if they made it public?
>>20586441What if I completed my third trips of a Sanankou with Ron?
>>20585880open tanyao?! t-that’s not possible!
>>20586496Well...But regardless, that means a Ron can open hands
>>20586441Wrong.>>20586350>>20586485>>20586519This is an old rule of Mahjong, but calling always opens one's hand, hence why you have two types of hands: concealed and fully concealed.Riichi seems to ignore this rule if the entire hand has a closed clause, but enforces this rule if only some elements of the hand are closed. A good example of this is having a two pairs and claiming the last tile to complete your hand for a sanankou. This is not legal as the claimed tile makes the last ankou open and thus negates your hand.
>>20586564>A good example of this is having a two pairs and claiming the last tile to complete your hand for a sanankou. This is not legal as the claimed tile makes the last ankou open and thus negates your hand.You are right about everything else, but this is slightly wrong. If you were shooting for sanankou with 4 triplets and have already completed three triplets concealed, then you can complete the last one with Ron. The last one does not need to be concealed.However if you were shooting for three trips and a sequence, and had two pairs you'd be fucked.
>>20586615>However if you were shooting for three trips and a sequence, and had two pairs you'd be fucked.Yes exactly. This scenario was what I was trying to imply with my example.
>>20586685Fair enough, but it is an important distinction on a rule not enough take into account.
>>20565620Playing in FFXIV and enjoying all the open tanyao goodness
>>20586961Does it cost MGP to play?
>>20587138no you get MGP and a title
Now watch out for my baiman move.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2019010905gm-0089-0000-8fa2e309&tw=2I can't even finish 1st when I'm lucky
>>20559322I came here after I played Yakuza Kiwami
>>20561810Why does she almost cry after she got into tenpai?
>>20561810why didnt she riichi?
>>20588779Enough experience to know that Mahjong is a filthy whore and her hand wouldn't finish
>>20588417Based brighter tile set user
>>20586685>>20586615>>20586564I'm still a little confused. For sanankou I think it makes sense, but now I'm unsure about ron/riichi in general.Say i have a hand with the honitsu yaku, of 111p, 34p, 678p, 789p, and a pair of hakus, waiting on either a 2p or 4p, in which of the following situations would the 3 han value of honitsu drop to 2 han?If I riichi, and I ron a few turns later (i.e. not ippatsu)?If I riichi, and I tsumo a few turns later?If I don't riichi, and ron?If I don't riichi, and tsumo?
>>205904162p or 5p*
>>20590416A hand is open only if you have called chii, pon, or kan (excluding closed kans when you drew all four tiles yourself). The san/suuankou ron case is the only complexity due to the fact that an ankou is defined as a triplet for which you drew all three tiles, as opposed to koutsu which refers to any triplet.
>>20591286Ah okay, that's reassuring. So following that, if you have three closed triplets and a shanpon wait, you'll get sanankou if you ron and suuankou if you tsumo?
>>20590416>If I riichi, and I ron a few turns later (i.e. not ippatsu)?>If I riichi, and I tsumo a few turns later?>If I don't riichi, and ron?>If I don't riichi, and tsumo?All of the above would qualify as meeting the requirements of a closed hand in Riichi.What I was trying to explain earlier was why there even is a discrepancy with forming your waits on sanankou and suuankou in the first place. Most Riichi players think that sanankou and suuankou are just special exceptions that play by different rules, but actually it is Riichi that is making an exception for what the game considers to be a closed hand.Riichi is unique in the way that it has two different kinds of hands, open and closed. Closed hands in Riichi are special in the way that they do not have to be truly closed. They only have to be closed up to the point that you are in tenpai. This means that to qualify for a closed hand in Riichi (or the +1 han, in the case of honitsu, chanta, etc.) you must either draw every tile yourself (declaring tsumo) or draw every tile yourself except for the last one (declaring ron). Since Riichi is just an adaptation of earlier forms of mahjong, ron is still considered a kind of tile call, we just ignore it for hands specifically designated as closed. I'll call this the "closed ron" exception.Sanankou is designated as an open hand in Riichi, this means that the "closed ron" exception does not apply to it. In an open hand, a tile call is a tile call, regardless of whether you're calling it to win (ron) or not (chii, pon, or kan). With this understanding, we know that the three concealed triplets within sanankou cannot be formed by ANY tile call except for the special ankan call.Now here's the tricky part, suuankou is erroneously considered to be a closed hand on most standard yaku lists, but it too is actually an open hand. This means that any tile call for completing the four concealed triplets is not allowed (again, this includes ron).The only reason people classify suuankou as a closed hand nowadays is due to the fact that the entire hand, due it its shape, technically cannot be completed by any tile call of chii, pon, kan, or ron, and therefore mimics the appearance of a closed hand. Regardless, historically this hand is actually considered to be open and therefore its concealed elements do not abide by the "closed ron" exception.Does this make sense, anon?
>>20593048>technically cannot be completed by any tile call of chii, pon, kan, or ronchii, pon, kan*
>>20593048>>20593071Makes perfect sense, thank you. I think when I read your first post I thought by 'Riichi' you meant the declaration, rather than the style of mahjong.
>>20594574To add to the previous anon, you can still ron on suuankou as long as the hand meets the requirements of the yaku itself. The sets themselves must be closed regardless of the state of the hand. Due to the structure of a normal hand (anything but kokushi or chitoitsu) this only happens on the case where all of the sets are already completed and the hand is just waiting on the pair (suuankou tanki).
Why does kaiji and akagi make mahjong look so easy? I tried playing it a bit like rummy but i lost hard as fuck. The waits are 100% different or maybe i just dont have a feel for the game.
what's with the bracelets everywhere?
>>20600093I know how you feel. I was a poker/canasta player before I switched over to mahjong. Hong Kong/Taiwanese/Singaporean mahjong variants are actually closer to the rummy strategies that you may be used to, but in Riichi, you'll actually be punished for melding the majority of the time.What's important to note is that although rummy follows the basic structure of drawing, discarding, and melding, it does not actually play with the same goal. The goal of rummy is to shed your hand by melding and going out as soon as possible. The goal of mahjong (and by extension Riichi) is to create a specific hand as soon as possible. So while the structure of the game follows rummy, the goal is more similar to poker in the way that you're building a specific hand. This becomes increasingly difficult in Riichi as the majority of low scoring hands must be won by concealment. So in summation, it's like playing rummy, except you're building poker-like hands and most of the players aren't going to meld their hands as they would rather declare Rummy instead.
>>20564819i'm tempted to buy the digital version, maybe even share it with you fuckers, but im not speaking anime wordscan i get out of something from this book?
>>20602388If you upload it I'll translate the important parts.
>>20602556based nigga, now i just gotta figure it out how to buy from japan amazon
>>20602556Based translator anon
>>20602592got the book, removing the drm as we speak mang, where should i upload it?
>>20602388there's little notes explaining the suggested answer, but you can either figure it out by thinking, or you can ask us to help if it's really unclear
here you go anons, have funhttps://mega.nz/#!maoDnQIT!puU1LrVBF7MUnGx3A_QnW2x0kugxUA8in8RHyTuAOI0
>>20602957you're not tricking me with that file name
Just about done memorizing the scoring table. Be honest with me. How much better at mahjong am I about to be?
>>20603499whatever man, its your loss
>>20603573Much better since you'll actually be able to plan your hands better and have an actual attack strategy (instead of only going for either the fastest or biggest hand).You'll be able to set up your hand in a way that guarantees you the amount of points necessary to get out of 4th place or take 1st in S3 or S4 for example.
>>20602957the book is really good thanks anon
>>20603973Thank you, anon. This makes me really happy to know this. I was hoping I wasn't just autistically memorizing these for no reason.
>>20602957Thanks friend. If anyone is confused on the explanations I'd be happy to translate them.
Suddenly people play hanchans in this. What the heck happened? It was hardly 10 souls in the room of the same time, just 2 months ago.
>>20608264Probably just because more players are playing the game. In higher lobbies, hanchan has more players than tonpuu.
>>20608287This is great news.
>>20608287majsoul has lobbies? from people's descriptions here I thought it was just one big unrated room, which someone described as "worse than ippan"
>>20608663It does. The first room is indeed worse than ippan, with everyone calling any tile ever because Chinese mahjong is braindead. The 2nd lobby is more high ippan/low joukyuu.
WHEN DO I STOP MAKING AMATEUR MISTAKES IT'S BEEN A MILLION GAMES ALREADY AND I IPPATSU DEALT INTO THE HANEMAN
>>20611329although it might just be my tiredness, since I looked at his discards after he riichi'd and saw that I had 0 genbutsu, and I had no sujis either, so I was like let's go then, but after I heard him say ron I noticed that my toitsu was genbutsu
>have godlike wait on expensive hand>both winning tiles in the dead wall
Does R gain take level into account as well, or just the table's combined R? Can you make huge gains if you make a new account, pay for premium, and start in joukyuu instead of ippan?
I suck so much at 何切る. I always get frustrated when I get one wrong, so I end up doing only 3-4 in a day. I'm just too lazy to calculate the ukeire for each move, but when I go "by feel" I often get the second best, or sometimes even worse results.
>>20603573I'll start memorizing it now so I can be better than you!
>>20603573>How much better at mahjong am I about to be?You'll be able to use score based decision making, especially with regards to riichi. On top of that, you'll assess the worth in taking a risk vs playing it safe.
So pros only have about a 30% chance of winning mahjong games?Is that in their league? or would a pro be able to "clean house" something possible in poker from my understanding.
>>20613766it depends on a lot of factors. in general, the larger the skill gap, the less games it takes for the difference in play to be ome obviousalso, pro is a pretty wide term. you can become a pro by passing a test and paying some money. doesn't mean you'll be a good one. it's a long road until you win stuff and get enough rep to put your face on the cover of a mahjong book
Having fun in FFXIV mahjong, made an account just to play. It's nice that you can chat with playing, also new people will kan anything so you can get some insane hands if you're lucky.
>>20614146>dora itself instead of dora indicator tileI couldn't bear that
>>20614146It's pretty fun, especially to see other players' reactions. My gripes are mainly that the turn timer is overly lax lending to very prolonged games.>>20614502Yeah, I think I'm forgetting to compensate for dora indicator, and might be occasionally compensating for the actual dora, it's not the best.
>>20614502Is it like that in the JP version too? I assume people would try to petition to change it if they can
>>20614146I wish when it came to mahjong in actual games, you would get to see your character actually playing instead of just looking at a tenhou-like screen. Maybe you could switch between a few different camera angles when it isn't your turn. I'd just rather play tenhou if I'm going to look at a tenhou-esque interface with no effort put into it.
>east 1>kamicha pulls a dealer haneman out of his ass>spend the rest of the game trying to catch up>end up getting shit onThis has happened three fucking times in a row, except kamicha wasn't dealer for one of them.Now I'm starting to believe the Tenhou is rigged bullshit.
>>20614698Majsoul has reaction emoji to shitpost with, if you want that.
>play mahjong in bed>nod offI guess I find losing soothing?
>baimans you to 4th and ends the game
>>20614653>Is it like that in the JP version tooThere is no such thing, we all play the same game just on different geographic servers. As an ausfag on Tonberry I've played with a lot of Japs.
>>20601612In Japan only degenerates play Mahjong (just like poker in the west). This is pretty common for party people to wear.
>>20613766Mahjong isn't about winning, it's about not losing. A good player will have a large amount of placements in the top 3 positions, often weighted towards 1st and 2nd especially.
Can someone explain to a brainlet what's the wait here?9b 1p 7p 8p 9p 3m 4m 5m 6m 7m 8m south southA simulator let me riichi ending up with that.
>>20617657>ausfagWhat city? Wanna play with us?
>>20617760Do you run games? I'm in Melbourne
>>20617687I disagree with this post. It all depends on the ruleset and the tournament situation. For example, in M-league rules, the bonus for first place is so huge (+50000) that the game becomes about winning. Although if your team is first with +400 points, you might assume that getting second is fine too, but in that case too, the players will try to get as much points as possible. Unlike Tenhou, even if you're first, you still push to get more points for your team, and even if there are very high hurdles for a gyakuten, you still fight to get every last point for your team that you can.
>>20617907Ah I'm in Sydney, but I do know a couple people in Melbourne that know how to play. I can put you in touch with them and potentially you guys can try organising some games if you're interested. As far as I know there's no organised group there currently, although some universities may have mahjong clubs.
>>20617919That's a very specific example, obviously I agree with you on that point but in the context of the discussion it has no merit. We are flat assuming their win rate, if a good player gets dealt bad hands they will still be able to make the right decisions to come as close as possible as winning. Sure, in tournament play specifically they might make moves that could risk placing in order to reach for first and claim the bonus.
>>20614698Yeah it would be nice.And you could always have an option to disable animations/effects if you want to.
>>20617718>9b 1p 7p 8p 9p 3m 4m 5m 6m 7m 8m south southNot sure what you mean by 9b, but I'm guessing you meant to type 9p. If you did then your simulator is broken and is somehow allowing you to wrap your 9p back around to 1p and wait for 2p/8p.
>Win all four hands in a flash tonpuu match>Feel like a worthless cheat because I was fed ryanshanten haipai in every hand
>>20620014>dude is already 20k ahead of everyone>daburu riichi ippatsu tsumo
>>20611374Shanpon wait with two tiles out is not godlike, Anon. Especially not with the stench of honitsu stemming from your discards.
>>20613766Not him but shanpon on two honors, especially one without value, is still a pretty good wait. Honor trap doesn't always work but twice the chance makes the ron really likely.It does look like honitsu, but most of the time you wouldn't riichi your honitsu, so that might still work.
>>20622291>>20622390In terms of probability, 2 tiles is a garbage wait. But you can bet 100% that if someone could actually draw that ton they would definitely put it down.
>>20622291ton would've 100% came out if someone drew itchun not 100, but still likely in joukyuu imo
>>20611374toimen almost got the 0 tsumogiri award!
https://youtu.be/MV-ZcI7I7Hgdamn those crazy japanese!
>>20622531>>20622574Maybe, given that it's joukyuu. Anyone who is actually paying attention would regard it with suspicion. The point is that it's not an amazing wait.
>>20624018>implying people defend better in tokujou
>>20624018You can see one tile for each so these aren't that suspicious. The discards are what kinda give it away though, especially those dragons near the end.>>20624037>make three calls>guy still deals in your open chinitsuSasuga tokujou.
>>20624053Was it an expensive chinitsu? Because a lot of people don't a give a shit about your 2-3 han chinitsu when they have a hand that's worth something.
>>20624053When it's that obvious, one tile out does not make the tile feel good.>>20624076Open chinitsu is five han, Anon.
>>20624076Chinitsu, not honitsu.The guy who dealt in had a 3 han honitsu iirc.But yeah I don't really see a significant increase in defense in tokujou. On the other hand, I see far more bullshit hands happening. Closed chinitsu, and baiman of all kinds.
>>20624103Honor wait with one being out is very unlikely. It's a lot more likely seeing discards like the ones anon posted which involve honor tiles until late in the hand, but on the other hand there are 2 honors to be waiting on and one of them being a valueless wind. I think it's a pretty likely ron, not guaranteed, but for this to not succeed, you'd need to be facing two players who are completely folding after turn 10 and have no better defense tiles. I can see one player avoiding it, but probably not two.
>>20611374Well last place has to push so will discard both ton and chun if he draws them.3rd place is in riichi and can't defend so will discard both too.1st place should absolutely defend and will keep them if he's not bad.So with that said, 2 out of the 3 opponents will very likely discard your tiles which means it's actually not a bad wait. It's kinda like you have 3 draws each turn.But it also means you really didn't need to call a pursuit riichi at all. You were only 6700pts away from 1st place and your hand is worth at least 12000. No need to take unnecessary risks.
>>20624142I can agree with unlikely but prefixing it with very is exaggerating. Especially when it comes to honitsu hands.Perhaps I should make it clear, to make sure you don't misunderstand, that I can definitely see the hand winning and I wouldn't call the wait awful. Just definitely not amazing or "godlike" by any stretch.
>>20624103>>20624104That feelio when in tokujou and still can't read.
>>20624406The wait itself is great, the context (pond giving away the honitsu with late honor discards, turn 10+) is what downgrades the odds of success to "alright/good"
>>20614502I don't like it either. I've already made a few mistakes treating the tile after the dora as the dora.
Bros, I fucked up.
>>20626397That's a nice hand, I'd fuck it up by choosing the wrong pair while going for super slow opened toitoi honitsu 2 yakuhai and the round would end with someone's pinfu one dora.
>>20626444I fucked it up by watching the suuankou go to the discard pile. I just tell myself I would've dropped the wrong pairs
>>20623060what the fuck is that
>>20626397I smoked you before homie, there's no hiding
>>20626692complex machi quiz (shame it's on iphone)
>>20626397Yeah you fucked up my dude. Forget about yakuman, chitoi with riichi is just 3200. You needed one more step to get toitoi with one or two fanpai (5200/8000), or even Toitoi + San Ankou + 2 fanpais (12 000). If you could riichi that, it could even go up to baiman.
>>20626397why does it say フ?
>>20627165you're not フーling me, there's even one that says ろ and one with ノ
>>20627188It's stylized roman numerals. Yeah it's stupid, just like FFXIV's playerbase.
>>20627165>>20627234>>20626397Disgusting, change the tileset to traditional right now!
>>20627234Actually way better decision than those godforsaken lil' numbers is corners. In the end, it's an international game.
>>20627405>Actually way better decision than those godforsaken lil' numbers is cornersThey kind of did that with the winds though. They put arrows in each of the corners to indicate which wind is which.
>>20627405Numbers in the corner looks way better though.
>>20628302Well ok, the same idea could be done better.
>>20628432I didn't know we were talking about you
if you nibbas wanna watch joukyuu mahjong for next few hours im twittch at neetanonntokujou soon
Is there any method for logically figuring out all of your waits quickly? I get that people practice with full flush hands, but does that really translate into figuring out non-flush hand waits?
I keep ending up in 3rd or fourth and struggling to survive because I get ronned big in the start of the game
>>20633817it's all pattern recognition. barring that, it's calculation>>20633852it's all about being patient. it's better to have 25000 in south 1 than to risk pushing against potentially expensive hands sometimes.
>>20633654Holy crap I was following "mahjong", while "tenhou" exists.
>>20633654stream crashed but its back online, about to start more matches in a few minutes!
>m-league personal score top1>last game he was yakitoria bit reassuring
>>20633817How do you have any trouble determining your waits? Pick a target hand while playing that you think is most likely and settle on it.
>destroying chumps who decide discard based on the tile indicator in FFXIVHoly shit sweet validation
>>20634911What indicator? I don't play the FF mahjong, but I'm curious
>>20634923It shows what tile the game thinks you should discard.
>>20627373Actually can't find any screenshots with another sets besides the meme. You say they have the normal one?
>>20634896lmao he was no-houra again
>>20634799WHAT ARE THESE HANDS EVEN
>>20635019Go Golden Saucer -> Doman Mahjong and change the tileset to traditional there
Do you faglords count ukeire? I'm too lazy and usually have a good idea how many tiles will bring me to tenpai, but since I'm getting to tokujou I should probably learn it soon.
>>20635475If you've decided on a hand to reach for, you should know exactly which tiles will advance it. Until your are mindful of that, you are playing blind.
>>20633654Neet-kun are you Australian?
>>20634911Anyone in dan ranks yet? Playing in novice is driving me crazy
>>20635836I've seen Japanese in advanced ranks. I'm not sure how it will go down for you American or Europs though, feels good being Australian sometimes.
>>20635475I'd say most people do it. I bet you do it too, you're just not aware of it.Like people relying on their gut, I assume we recognize patterns or whatever without really thinking about it
>legit losing streak ("good" waits have the tiles buried in the dead wall and opponents go ippatsu on a 36 wait even though I have pairs/triplets of both)>games where I am lucky I lose anyways because 4th starts acting tough in S4http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2019011008gm-0089-0000-4920b995&tw=2Also what's up with this month? I've seen a lot of Honitsus and Chinitsus.
>>20636576What the fuck, he passed up his win, he should have called riichi as soon as he got tenpai.
https://youtu.be/Nim4EVqPOU4damn she is sexy
>>20636576Oof. I want to say there's nothing you could've done, but I'd be lying. Close game anyway
Who here only go for /aryanmen/ waits?
>>20639619Might as well play poker at that rate.
Hey /jp/! I knew there had to be a mahjong community somewhere on this site.I discovered mahjong through Akagi and now I'm very interested. Gonna try and start a local scene if I can. I poked around a lot and this is the only decent-sized set I can find on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Yellow-Mountain-Imports-Professional-Aluminum/dp/B008RJQX34/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1547516551&sr=8-17&keywords=mahjong+yellow+mountain+imports This worth buying, do you think?
>>20639872>This worth buying, do you think?Yellow Mountain for a starter set? Yes, do it. For price and quality, it'll do the job for starting up a local group. Best of luck with that.
>>20639896Thanks. I couldnt find a single other set on Amazon with 1.6 inch tiles, so I figured it would be a good one, especially for that price.
>>20639903>For Chinese Style Gameplay OnlyA bit of a correction here. Even if it says that, it's possible to play riichi with them. Oh, here you go:https://www.amazon.com/Yellow-Mountain-Imports-Japanese-Mah-Jongg/dp/B003UU129U
>>20639941>Currently unavailable. Gosh fucking dammit. Why must the supply be cut?Oh well, take what you can get.
>>20639946Thanks anyway, though it looks like the tiles on that one are much smaller besides. The score sticks are nice though. Ill have to buy some sticks separately.
>learning about fuWhat in the everloving squidfuck is this bullshit
>>20633817There are only a handful of wait types. Once you learn how a 2333456 and 2266678 wait work the rest are intuitive.
>>20640422It's a very simple system. Just count your han and add 2, then turn that number into a power and raise 2 by it, then multiply your fu by that number. If you ron'd the tile, then multiply that score by 4 if you were the non-east wind, or 6 if you were the east wind, and then round to the nearest hundred. If you tsumo'd the tile, then simply take your original score and round it. Then take your original score again and multiply it by 2, then round it. State both your original score rounded and the newly multiplied score as a payment for the other losers at the table to pay you.
What ratio of placings is good in Tenhou? I looked at ASAPIN's account and he had almost 25% for each across the board.
>>20641002>ASAPINI heard phoenix has unbalanced r loss rates between the 3rd and the 4th so who cares about their little hellhole ratios
>>20641030Your salt doesn't answer my question (no trying to be offensive here).
>>20641036Sorry for not being helpful but you get seated at random. And as this thing suggests >Rating_change = Adjustment * (1500+(Average table rate - Own rate) /40)>Adjustment = 1 - (Games played * 0.002); if games played < 400, 0.2 if games played >=400you basically may play freely at "strong" tables but kinda obligated to get the 2nd or the 1st at "weak" ones
>>20639872where are you located?
>>20640422Just get more triplets/kans, especially hidden ones or terminal tiles, and you'll get more fus. Aiming for 40 fus or 50 fus can help. You also get fus for tsumoing your winning tile (+2) and for bad waits (closed waits/edge waits, basically whatever is not a ryanmen)
>>20640422it's simple. the only tricky thing is when a wait can be interpreted both as a tanki machi and a ryanmen for example, and you have to count with the one that gives a higher score. e.g. you have 3345 and you draw 3, then if you have pinfu otherwise, you can count the 3 as completing the ryanmen -> 345, but if you don't have pinfu, you can count the 3 as completing the head -> 33, which gets 2 fu since it's a tanki machi, and those two fu might be the ones that up your score.
>>20641128Arizona Mahjong Club. Dare to dream.
>>20641128https://www.riichi-mahjong-central.com/I think, who ever manages this site is from Arizona.
we hit the bump limit. so proud of the thread!
>>20635245I just saw it played on twitch, the normal set is present confirmed.
>>20643465>>20635245Well shit. Kinda want to resub now.
>>20617935I'd be interested in that, the easiest way to get into contact would be discord if you guys have that.I did see one session on meetups but it looked like only 4 dudes.
>>20635627nah im usa-ian>>20634799streaming again in a few mins, going ham on joukyuu again hopefully 4th dan by end of weektwittch is neetanonn
So I guess they dont use the furiten rule in Akagi?
Can anyone post the image showing the four stages of Mahjong experience? The last panel the guy goes full akagi with glasses and a stack of books.
>>20647343Do you mean this?
>>20646471Are you in any of the mahjong Discords? Message Muller.