Will Taiwan be a based independant country in our lifetimes?
>>112321292i hope not
Honestly wish China annexes it, they're literally one people and should be united and China has better government and more stable economy so it makes sense that taiwan should be annexed
>>112321292I ate at the Boiling Point recently and it was dogshit. I hope Taiwan gets nuked by Xi.
not a chance lmao
one syllable away from a haiku there buddy
>>112321342This. Any American who supports war with China to protect Taiwan should really talk to the average Taiwanese. Not only are they hoping mutts will do most of the fighting for them, many plan to move abroad in the event of hostilities breaking out and coming back after the dust clears.
>>112321292god Im so horny
Taiwan is China’s rightful clay.
There is only one China, and Taiwan is an inseparable part of it
>>112321405Sweetie, America wants to destroy China, no fight for Taiwan. They are just a tool.
>>112321292>independent Taiwancringe and bluepilled>Taiwan reunifying continental China under the Guomindangbased and bluepilled>China annexing Taiwanbased and redpilled
>>112321496Then why is the Chinese government in exile there?
>>112321556there is no such thing as Chinese government in exile
>>112321575Then why are they in Taipei and unable to govern their land?
No. I say this as a Taiwanese-American. I've come to believe that Taiwan should reunify with China and negotiate for as much autonomy as possible. America won't be hegemon forever.
>>112321292Yes, Hong Kong too.
>>112321292No. Taiwan is too important as it is the only part of China with open access to the open sea.
>>112321634Basically an autonomous province like Guangxi, Xinjiang (in theory) or Ningxia then?
>>112321292Taiwan is already independent, plebbitard
>>112321634lmao, you can't trust the CCP.
>>112321634That sure is playing out well for Hong Kong and Xinjiang.
America and the EU should sponsor separatist movements in the mainland to weaken China.
>>112321520Taiwan will be the one hoping it can use America as a tool is what I'm saying.
>>112321771The only thing we shoUld support is the democratization of China.Democratic China as the world leader is the best scenario.
>>112321771the US needs to stop relying on chinese sweatshops for that to happen. (they won't)
>>112321771That'd never work for China. China is aware of games America likes playing and the moment they have serious armed separatist movements they're going balls--to-walls crazy and sending tanks.This isn't Russia or some other paper tiger. This is a civilization that's survived for 5000 years by being strong, dirtier, sneaker and more resilient than any other civilization and they ALWAYS win in the end.
>>112321771That's precisely why China is so careful about letting anything western into their country. They saw how muh blue jeans and muh coke ruined the USSR.
>>112321898Chinese people already wear blue jeans. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>112321292Who said the numbers start from 1-10?
By the way, any American who wants to fight China should boycott the NBA
There is no mass dissident movement in China. Why would there be one when China has been growing economically and moving people out of poverty non-stop for decades?
>>112321714>Hong KongSo much freedom they're allowed to riot for months without being massacred and without the central government in Beijing getting involved (this would be unheard of in America).>XinjiangLiterally free meals and open bar in exchange for giving up an extremist religion that even Americans agree is a cancer.
>>112321958i only watch games on illegal streams anyway
>>112321924So do zoomers just not learn about USSR or something? What the fuck are they teaching you kids?
>>112321958No thanks. Looking forward to my Lakies winning the chip this year.
>>112321909>t. increasingly nervous shart
The more the US pressures China (which will increase as the US weakens) the more China will want to clamp down on dissent and expand its influence on its region. It sees places like Taiwan and North Korea as potential front lines in any future war with the US.
>>112321958>want to subvert Chinese society>also want to boycott any american/foreign company that does business with themChoose one and only one. The more isolated they are the more doctrinaire and stable their society will become.
>>112321999Look at half your continent.>>112322039kek
>>112321850I think if China becomes democratic it’s expected to become more imperialist. As much as CCP is an asshole it controls Chinese citizens very effectively. When a democratic government runs China however the ultranationalistic 1.3 billion Chinese gets to decide the foreign policies, such as whether they should go invade neighboring countries. Most Chinese still think Mongolia as a lost territory. The democratic government will do as they demand.
I hope not. God bless Xi Jinping and China.
>>112322058>that reddit spacing>those cringey 14 year old "threats"Go back.
>>112322036NBA bending to the CCP demands doesn't help the west in the slightest.>>112322052Relying on China is a mistake that will bite our ass soon.
Funny how Westerners think Chinese are brainwashed by the CCP when in fact they're the ones brainwashed into thinking that "democracy" needs to be forced onto the rest of the world.
>>112322122Not only that, the U.S. Congress is slamming anyone who puts "money before human rights" when it comes to dealing with China but unconditionally supports Saudi Arabia in the same breath. It's so bizarre.
>>112322120>NBA bending to the CCP demands doesn't help the west in the slightest.Yes it does. It allows the US to infiltrate chinese culture and build ties (which would give the US leverage since they "control" the NBA.) It's pretty high tier jewish theory so it's not surprising that a sentient monkey doesn't understand though.
>>112322165>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_peace_theoryFuck off with that neocon bullshit.
>>112322058>ooga booga me chimp outI war with my words not my fists caveman. >>112322120It'll be the best decision you ever made.
>>112321924Blue jeans aren't loaded with symbolism any more. They're probably made in China with Chinese branding ffs.>>112321968Because if you're a Uighur you'll see your province get flooded with Han who become your new boss, treat you like shit, and suck out all the resources in your fucking province. That causes resentment anywhere.
>>112322165That theory has been proven wrong time and again. After the Philippines gained independence from Spain and started having elections, America invaded and killed them by the thousands. When Iran started having elections, America had him killed and installed the Shah.
>>112321888why is "I fight for China" written in English lul
>>112322165>literally no correlation to the real world>theory
>>112322226(him = Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh)
>>112322215Well maybe because Uighur's are dumb as fuck and require han-chinese assistance in establishing a free modern society
>>112322281Yeah because that's what China is building, a free modern society. Top fucking kek lad.
>>112322226>>112322263We literally live in the most peaceful era of human history, fucking brainlets.>>112322281t. Zheng
>>112322052>BritainBrexit happened already, I see?
>>112322331The "democratic" United States of America has been at war for 93% of its existence. Please shut the fuck up.
>>112322331>We literally live in the most peaceful era of human history
>>112322215>Uighurhttps:// en .wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kashgar_attackhttps:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pishan_hostage_crisishttps:// en .wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaoguan_incidenthttps:/ /en .wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Aksu_bombinghttps:// en .wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hotan_attackhttps:// en .wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kashgar_attackshttps:// en .wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianjin_Airlines_Flight_7554https:// www .nbcnews .com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966Remind me how your own country has treated Islamic terrorists? Couldn't have been involved in a western invasion of the middle east, killing millions, could it?
>>112322389the civil war does not count
>>112321292no, because if the PRC falls apart, the ROC will claim the mainlands territory. taiwan itself will probably never be independent.
>>112321342>China has better government and more stable economyWhat did she mean by this?
>>112322440>the ROC will claim the mainlands territoryAlso this. If the PRC is strong, Taiwan can't declare independence. If the PRC falls apart, the KMT takes over Beijing.
>>112321634>negotiate for as much autonomy as possibleYou have to be more subtle
>>112322423It counts the most because the good guys lost.
>>112321771This, without a hint of irony
>>112322448Ask young Taiwanese people if they are satisfied with their economy. Youth unemployment and underemployment is a serious problem in Taiwan.
>>112322518Mainland has this problem too.
>>112322488>PRC falls apartThis will never happen.> the KMT takes over Beijing.Neither will this.
>>112322418>china dindu nuffinIt's not like they've been murdering Uighurs at random since the 1930s has it.>>112322423So what would that make it? 85%?>>112322512It wouldn't weaken them at all. The way to cause unrest is to fuck with their living standards.
>>112322440>>112322488How naive are you fuckers are? If PRC falls apart, the political factions will rise in mainland and take it over themselves. There will be no room for Taiwan and KMT to stick their nose. It’s preposterous to even remotely consider they have the capabilities to do so.
>>112322559yes the PRC is capable of falling apart. merely existing as a government means you also have the possibility of losing control. the KMT would have a good chance of taking over Beijing if the PRC loses control because there is a good chance they'll get good old funding from the USA and their western allies.
>>112322565the same way the americans propped up your government, the same can be said about taiwan. what better western friendly nation to be in control of over a billion people than the ROC with democracy and all that jazz.
>>112322570>Australia has been America's bitch for decades>America even forced Australia to participate in the Vietnam and Iraq wars>We're supposed to believe that Australia is under Chinese influence
>>112322565Nobody wants the first/second economy in the world to fall into complete chaos. The KMT would have the support of pretty much any developed country. It's not gonna happen anyway, so why bother.
>>112322623It's different what the chinese are doing.I say this unironically.
>>112322594>>112322612>there is a good chance they'll get good old funding from the USA and their western allies.Nope. The chance is slim at best because their two dozen million population is too small to exert any significant power no matter how much funding they get.
>>112322326why has uigur lifespan increased since han-chinese settlement?
>>112322562america has been at war for a combined total of 65 years out of its 243 year existence.that comes to 26% wartime and 74% peacetime.
>>112322623>>We're supposed to believe that Australia is under Chinese influence
>>112322594>because there is a good chance they'll get good old funding from the USA and their western allies.Funding does not an invasion/occupation force make. If it did, the US-supported Afghan government would have beaten the Taliban by now instead of the other way around.Also most Taiwanese would rather dodge the draft than sign up for an invasion of the mainland.
>>112322646you are assuming that the other +1 billion people in china all agree with the PRC and would not side with the ROC + western allies. Chinese people ultimately want a unified China, with western funding and support it is possible.
>>112321292>>112321640>>112321708>>112321771>>112321885Don't give a shit about the politics. Who are these qt3.14s?
>>112322691It's one girl, idiot.
>>112322635I didn’t imply that mainland will be left into a rampant chaos. There will be an indigenous political movement organized by mainlanders and it will form a new government itself, hopefully democratic. They would proceed without KMT involvement though.
>>112322691Tzuyu, she's a Taiwanese singer who was forced to apologize for holding her flaghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp71XVww5kU
>>112322682>you are assuming that the other +1 billion people in china all agree with the PRC and would not side with the ROC + western alliesCorrect. The prospect of being ruled by Taiwan would turn even the most apolitical mainlander into a PRC commando.
>>112322716This, institutions doesn't disappear overnight.
>>112322681i would wager that a ROC invasion with western backing has a higher chance of succeeding if the PRC failed than any other faction. but who knows? it's impossible to gain any objective measurements with this type of theory.
>>112322656Australia's been run by neoliberal retards for about 30 years now so it's slowly deindustrialised and buys everything in from abroad. To fund this they need foreign cash which makes them vulnerable to foreign powers. China's been overt about its influence on Australia, not sure if there's a deeper level to it though, not read that book.
>>112322724disagree, the mandate of heaven is whomever can seize power. communism, or the PRC, is not intrinsically tied to the mandate.
>>112322682Read >>112322716What kind of authority does KMT have to meddle in mainland’s affairs? And even it does, why do you think mainlanders would comply with a party that was kicked out to an island more than 80 years ago?P.S. please forget about the word “hopefully” in my previous comment
>>112322724Pretty sure at the very least the Nanjingren would get a boner at the thought of becoming the capital again.
>>112322682>would not side with the ROC + western allies>ROC + western alliesso puppet state for Western allies. The Chinese would love that seeing how they crushed Japanese economy 3 decades ago
>>112322787the authority of might. with enough power anybody is capable of ruling the mainland.
>>112322820perhaps so perhaps not. who knows right? whoever musters enough authority rules china. all im saying is that the ROC backed with western allies would be a powerful faction if the PRC dissolved in the mainland.
>>112322826>KMT>with enough power>capableKek. Don’t kid yourself. If i recall right KMT is being slapped by the other party in Taiwan which used to be oppressed under KMT dictatorship. If it can’t even secure its position in Taiwan then how do you expect it to rule mainland hundreds times larger than Taiwan?
>>112322855Yeah right. Unless PRC gives willing gives democracy to its people, it's not happening. Not after Joshua Wong went to the US with Hong Kongers waiving US flag.
>>112322922easy, with backing from western powers as i said. the KMT would, in my opinion, tap into the cultural desire for a unified china.>>112322928future is unpredictable. never say never.
>>112322721That's pretty fucking sad. Why are the Chinese so spastic about someone holding a flag? Are they legit retarded?
>>112322969>w-western backed up militaryGood luck. You will be considered as traitor after Hong Kong fiasco
>>112322979nationalism fren, you of all people should know. remember freedom fries?
>>112322969>with backing from western powersBecause it worked so fucking well in other countries.
>>112323002no such thing as traitors in china, only winners and losers.
>>112323004>you of all people should know. remember freedom fries?Do you think a whole country is one person? Do you have brain damage?
>>112322448Taiwan never recovered from 2008
>>112323008yes, it works in some countries and doesn't work in others. but if we use the closest examples, south korea and japan, it has worked when they get to the occupation phase.
Hong Kong should join taiwan
>>112322969Neocon mouth breathing retard
>>112323021>no such thing as traitors in chinaYeah sure. Wang Jingwei is still being spit today.
>>112323022right, only one person.
>>112323046And when they Western power felt threat from the Japanese, they immediately crushed its economy.
>>112323072>Wang Jingweibecause he lost fren, if he won, he would be a hero. understand?
>>112323110>he lostHe didn't do shit and had Japanese grip around his neck retard. That is the definition of puppet to foreign powers.
>>112322058>Start your war alreadyThey did like 10 years ago retard
>>112322979How is it any different than Americans getting butthurt because a football player kneeled during the national anthem to protest police brutality?
>>112323068oh? how do you figure that?>>112323097and what does that have to do with the discussion? im not here to talk about what is best for the state of 'china'. im here talking about the possibility that a faction that includes Taiwan with western backing has a good chance of succeeding if the PRC dissolves.
>>112323141he did not succeed, ergo, he lost. had he succeeded he would've have been a hero. china has no problem with foreign powers seizing the mandate. RE: Manchurians and Mongolians.
>>112321342>>112321348>>112321388>>112321465>>112321538>>112321575>>112321634>>112321888>>112321972>>112322082*20 yuan have been deposited to your account*
>>112323229dude, $2.8USD per post, i'd quit my job too.
>>112323229t. has never eaten at the Boiling PointTaiwanese food is dogshit. Fuck them. At least Hong Kongers know how to fucking cook.
>>112322952>it's not real if you're too stupid to know what it is
>>112323301Reread the link. The chinese remembers him as a traitor despite he having succeded.
>>112323335he was just a cog in the wheel that got memed into being 'corrupt' almost a 1000 years ago. he didn't unify china.
>>112323359>Decades later, his grandson, Yue Ke (岳珂), had retrieved documentary evidence of his grandfather's achievements, and published an adulatory biography of him. >in 1162 Emperor Xiaozong of Song posthumously pardoned and rehabilitated his honours. For their part in Yue's death, iron statues of Qin Hui, Lady Wang, and two of Qin's subordinates, Moqi Xie (万俟卨) and Zhang Jun (張俊), were made to kneel before Yue Fei's tomb (located by the West Lake, Hangzhou). Please do not embrass yourself anymore new worlder Zhanh
>>112323489you're going to have to hold my hand and walk me through to your response and how it refutes mine.
>>112323359>he was just a cog in the wheel that got memed into being 'corrupt'
>>112323611you need to put more thought into your response. a .jpg doesn't refute my opinion.
>>112323359>he didn't unify china.We're discussing about winners and losers havent we
>>112321888A lot of people are completely in the dark with how strong China is. They buy into a propagandized narrative that China is impotent, militarily weak. They don't realize that the goofball panda bear image we have of China is an illusion. That dopey, sleepy bear turns into a grizzly if you poke it. China's not the unindustrialized lagbehind it was in the last 3 centuries, winnie the pooh has some scary fucking chompers.As an american male of drafting age, the Taiwanese can go fuck themselves. I'm not dying to protect them from their own hegemon. What kind of retard willingly pokes that fucking bear? I'd rather get along with the Chinese.
>>112323716in the context of who has the mandate of heaven, yeah.
>>112323720>As an american male of drafting age, the Taiwanese can go fuck themselvesAs a millennial who is above drafting age, go fuck yourself. You will fight and possibly die so I can keep making bank.
>>112323738>mandate of heavenAnd you keep yapping on how KMT needs to take back China while not realising Sun Yat-sen died without proper successor leads to party struggle with Wang Jingwei and Chiang Kaishek and proceed to 'whoever wins get china' but PRC must lose.
>>112323758Like hell I will. I'll suicide bomb in the fucking drafting bus, just to deny the chucklefuck scrambled-egg wearing brass as much as I possibly can.
>>112323804please point to me at any point where i said 'the KMT *needs* to take back china'. i said the possibility exists. i don't mean this offensively but i have to ask. why are you so bad at having a discussion?
There's only one China, and that is the Republic of China whose currently seat is in Taipei.The commie usurpers will eventually collapse like all commies do.
>>112323837Like how you twisted those traitors that were considered to the Chinese were just meme and were losers and winners? And how you said foreign interferences were no problem to the Chinese?
>>112322543lol no. There are Taiwanese going to mainland for job prospect. The reverse is unheard of lmao
>>112323918you see that chart. Once the PLAN has 6 LHDs (3 under construction) Taiwan is as good as dead.
>>112323975you are going to have to do better than this if you want to change the subject. i never said 'KMT needs to take back China', you only inferred that because you are, in my opinion, fervently nationalistic. traitors and patriots, the only thing that separates them are those that succeed and those that fail. also, foreign interference, historically, has been no problem for 'china'. 'china' has had many interventionist and foreign people govern them, Manchurians and Mongolians as an a example in historical 'china'. in my opinion, 'china' doesn't care about foreigners, as long has they succumb to chinese culture and chinese people support them. think of them as some sort of cultural zerg.
>>112324049I'll believe China can win a foreign war when it actually happens lmaoWhat a pathetic excuse for an army.
>>112321292what do you mean Taiwan? is that supposed to be some kind of Chinese restaurant? I do see you have the flag of the Republic of China, however- that is, the rightful government of China.
>>112324065im just going to say this, china didn't get this big by not winning foreign wars okay?
>>112321292fuck the chinese. literally every man on earth should go breed their women right now and remove them from the gene pool.
>>112324127>china didn't get this big by not winning foreign warsthey literally did, Zhang
>>112324143how do you get clay juanito? you conquer it.
>>112324161or you get conquered and then claim your conquerors were chinese all along
>>112321292why? are chinese occupants suddently leaving this country?
>>112324169a win is a win anon. why doesn't Spain have Latin america or modern day mexico anymore?
>>112324197Fuck off chang, your people are slaves and losers. Your history is being conquered. Your people haven't accomplished shit, and even now steal from everyone else.
>>112324439anon, if you haven't noticed, we're highly adaptable. this is why we don't mind taking other peoples things as long as it has benefits.
>>112321850why the FUCK would i want a billion retarded chinks deciding the fate of the world????
>>112324439you should have noticed that all the foreign nations that used to rule over China have all been fucked. China didn't start out that big.
>>112324439>your people are slaves and losers.
>China reunited with TaiwanLiterally the end of USA hardware industry
>>112323046Lol, i know you’re completely ignorant of south korea’s modern history. The first president of South Korea was an enthusiastic pro-USA figure with an unrivaled prestige long before Korea was liberated. Even with this advantage the foundation of SK throughout his leadership was anything but smooth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeosu%E2%80%93Suncheon_rebellionhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeju_uprisingNot to mention he went power hungry in his later years and ultimately got kicked out by a revolution. SK’s future was now in the literal darkness and could have gone to the worst direction hadn’t a bold general decided to stage a coup to make himself the president.
>>112325613>decided to stage a coup to make himself the president.Is this what the movie "The President's Last Bang" is about? Just remember reading the title on amazon prime once but don't remember anything about it
>>112321292yesat least taiwan is better than mainland
>>112324439China is great. As a civilization they've outlasted literally every other state that was a rival or bully to them throughout history.>indoeuropeansGot obliterated after an lushan got uppity>jurchens/manchusAre essentially chinese today>mongolsLiterally a vassal state>britainCompletely irrelevant, will never hold a candle to china again and have to jerk about a random war a few centuries ago with the chinese state upon its death throes>franceSame deal>russiaLaughable economy smaller then literally texas, overrun by caucasuan and central asian chads, already a lapdog of the chinese state>usaWill have a civil war in the next few years>japanDeadAnd this is why china is great
>>112325650The movie is about his assassination. I had to search what movie it was because the original Korean title is very different.
>>112325726Ah okay, have you seen it? Is it any good?
>>112325741I was in my first grade of elementary school when this film was released, anon
>>112321405Taiwanese treat me better than chinks tho
>>112323758>As a millennial>You will fight and possibly die so I can keep making bankYou're not old enough to be profiting off American terrorism, that's reserved for GenX and boomer cunts in high finance and banking. That or the rich elite, in which your age is irrelevant. Rich cunts don't get sent to die in the poppy fields.
When did /int/ become so pro-China?
>>112327016About the same time they become so anti-americanonce china takes over they'll move on to someone else and hate china
>>112327038You wish, you're the china of the western hemisphere.