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Is /his/, dare I ask, based enough to be a /Robespierrist/ board? What do you think of his achievements? His influence? The Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen? His coining of the motto, “Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité”? And what of his final speech to the Convention, fellow citoyens/citoyenne?
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>>7655050
Gott, ich hasse die Franzosen. Their language is fucking annoying as shit & has left a stain of English & their history has been bland for the past century. At least they had an empire though.
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Would Robespierre be considered a communist?
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>>7655050
He was a known rapist and pedophile
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>>7655050
>“Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité”
I prefer Travail, Famille, Patrie!


Saluer Pétain!

https://youtu.be/8KdTChn-pEA
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>>7655074
Based!
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>>7655078
Both he and Saint-Just (especially the latter) are considered to be “proto-socialists”.
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>>7655081
No he wasn’t. The Republic was his mistress.
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>>7655113
?
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>>7655090
Dangerously based.
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>>7655090
Based youtube channel
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>>7655050
This board is mostly zionist jews and their lapdogs so no, im thinking hes not well received
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>>7655050

He was a fine a liberal as one can be, but even he was felled by the innate failures of liberalism.

Nonetheless if you've got to be a liberal be more like Robespierre.
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>>7655354
Are you a communist?
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>>7655050
>Robespierre

OH NO NO NO...
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> Create the national motto of France
> Establish the first universal manhood suffrage in world history
> Save the revolution from monarchist resurgence
> End the grip of Catholic Church on French Society
> Create the first national military, signalling the shift of power to the masses

> Not a single statue or a street named after you in France
> Only one museum dedicated to French revolution in the whole world
Robespierre is arguably more important figure in creation of universal suffrage and democracy than Plato, George Washington, John Locke or Rousseau. Why are the French so hateful towards him?
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>>7655074
Yuck
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>>7655459
Same reason as to why the british don’t like Cromwell
Because he killed too many and eventually lost
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>>7655481
Cromwell has at least some supporters, like Carlyle. And statues.
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I wish I could go back in time and save him...
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>>7655078
Depends on who you ask, most historians nowadays would rather disagree

The French communist party did try to reappropriate Robespierre in the 30s tho
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>>7655050
Fuck Robespierre, Fuck The Mountain, Fuck the Sans Cullotes.
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>>7655109
The Republic is what he raped, raped it with terror and tyranny
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>>7655050
>tfw you will never get to throw rotten vegetables at Robespierre for being such an arrogant blowhard while he gives a long and mind-numbingly boring speech during the Festival of the Supreme Being
Why live?
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>>7655050
He was an ugly fuck
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>>7655074
cringe
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>>7655514
How did terror rape the republic instead of protect it?
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>>7655502
Robespierre always had Saint-Just by his side, and supposedly his last speech at the convention was met with cheers. If you’re looking for later examples, the Bolsheviks (particularly Lenin) were huge fans. Lenin said that if it were not for the French Revolution, he would not have went through with the Russian Revolution. Lenin even commissioned a statue of Robespierre after the first anniversary of the October Revolution. He commissioned statues of Danton, Babeuf, and Marat too but only Danton’s was made. A few days after the statues were destroyed though. Some biographers are sympathetic to Robespierre too.
I like Robespierre but I hate the tradition of self-destructive leftist revolutions he seems to have started. Nicholas Xenos write a good essay on this topic - it’s called The Two Lives of the French Revolution (or something like that, can’t remember).
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>>7655567
It didn't need protection from all the thousands Robespierre had killed
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>>7655572
>the Bolsheviks (particularly Lenin) were huge fans.
That's not a good thing
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>>7655572
Sorry, Robespierre’s was fully constructed too and is what you see in pic related. I’m really tired.
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>>7655580
But the experiences shown following reign of terror do clearly show that the revolution was under siege?
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>>7655599
According to Robespierre and his clique yes
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>>7655591
Nope, but he still had supporters. I like to think of Lenin as a man with at least good intentions, so it’s not the worst.
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>>7655609
Directory limited voting rights to 30 000 Frenchmen, rolled back democratic measures greatly, destroyed Paris Commune and Sans Culottes, and ultimately led to tyranny and re-establishment of a monarchy. Isn't it a bit telling?
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>>7655384

No, which isn't to say that I'm not a lot further to the left than Robespierre.
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>>7655636
Monarchy was ordained by divine providence you Commie ratfuck
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>>7655459
>Why are the French so hateful towards him?

The War in the Vendee isn't something one can easily wash away.

Now, for us who have no cultural connection to the peasants and shit fighting in the Vendee (cause they got butchered) it's a somewhat irrelevant matter, but to other Frenchmen who DO have a connection to the Vendee it makes Robespierre pretty hard to forgive.
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>>7655050
Robespierre, sulla, gjc, napoleon, Jesus Christ, and andrew jackson can sit at my table any day
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>>7655988

Under Napoleon, yes. Once he died the last legitimate monarchy died with him.
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>>7656004

Sulla? Even though we know that as soon as he died the Republic basically undid pretty much everything he'd done?
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>>7655050
I'm going to join French Foreign Legion, because I love France so much. Wish me luck.
t.frenchboo
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>>7655997
>The War in the Vendee isn't something one can easily wash away.
muh vendée.
Literally nobody cares about that "adjustment" and also, nobody cares about Robespierre, la terreur and Robespierre himself.
There's no more republic religion like in the 19th century.
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>>7656025
Based
Good luck, anon!
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>>7656010
Ironically Napoleon made it a point to emphasize he was a monarch by his own ambition (instead of by divine right), and emperor of the French people (instead of some pre-ordained state of France).
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>>7656025
I'm going to start a coup and become a Consul because I love France so much. Wish me luck!
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>>7657193

As I said: the last legitimate monarch.
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>>7655050
Any good books on Robespierre?
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>>7657196
kek
do it
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>>7655514
It was necessary violence.
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>>7655078
He was a liberal, who helped usher in the bourgeoisie revolutions that cemented capitalism.
An important step towards communism.
Communism was not yet invented however, and his weird ascendant being religion means he is some kind of idealist and so no, he wouldn't have been a communist, even though he is 100% communism approved for being so progressive and realizing sometimes you just gotta start chopping.
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>>7658564
You need some help if you need to justify the murder of children with a meme
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>>7655074
Cringe filthy germanoid
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>>7655636
Couldn’t that be seen as a reaction to the Terror?
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>commandeers your revolution
>takes all your glory
>saves France from herself and the world
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>>7655050
No.

/his/ is a legitimist and a Bonapartist board.
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>>7655459
France already had an army before then.
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>>7655459
>pre-revolutionary France: 800 year stable kingdom
>post-revolutionary France: 15 regime changes

Hmm, makes you think...
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>>7655050
I'll never forgive him for offing Danton.
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>>7658564
>justifying killing a disabled teenager and other "proletariats" like the house chef, physician and lady-in-waiting
You need serious help
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>>7655439
Looks more like descriptions of Danton than Robespierre.
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>>7659907
That sounds pretty based ngl
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>>7659619
>/his/ is a legitimist and a Bonapartist board
Nice try. /his/ is a National Socialist and Hitlerian board.
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>>7660232
It was reconstructed using his death mask, that's him.
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>>7660879
>not being both
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>>7659640
That was the army of the crown.
National Guard was the army of the bourgeoise.
Robespierrés reforms turnt the army of the French.
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>>7659699
> Ancien Régime
> Stable
> Fronde
> Ten wars of religion
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>>7658590
French restoration ironically gives the best argument for the case for killing the whole family.
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>>7660970
This
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Being beheaded was the best thing her ever did.
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>>7660891
I suppose one could be
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>>7660989
With a shattered jaw from being shot in the face during his capture. Can you imagine how much pain he must have been in until his execution? He probably was ready to go.
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>>7658590
>>7659907
You don't have to justify the removal of what is a strategic asset, (that being the heirs to the Russian throne that could be a propaganda tool or what have you). Monarchs did that kind of shit for millennia, but suddenly it's singularly evil on fault of the Bolsheviks.
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>>7660905
>turnt
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>>7661005
The Judeo-Bolsheviks did it just out of cruelty and spitell though.
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>>7661002
Read his last speech to the convention and his other writings and speeches, he was always prepared to die for the republic.
https://www.bartleby.com/268/7/24.html
The orations of other people associated with the revolution are here too:
https://www.bartleby.com/268/7/
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>>7661014
How do you know?
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>>7659699
What part of pre-revolutionary France was stable? It just got lucky that the Spanish bankrupted themselves early on and didn't start attacking it full force. Otherwise it was a shambling mess kept alive by weak neighbors.
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>>7660883
Interesting, I never read or heard anything about him being heavily pockmarked or being rather ugly. Those were the most common descriptions of Danton.
I guess that it just never came up then.
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>>7661062
it's probably because you're a chronic shitposter so when you noticed danton was /ourguy/ like taft and goring you devoted your attention to him entirely.
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>>7661014
But monarchical restorations, often by obscure monarchs, have ruined plenty of republics. England, France twice, Mexico, almost everything in 1848, Batavian Republic etc.
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>>7661062
Not that anon, but here are some posts regarding Robespierre's appearance from a blog dedicated to the French Revolution that might interest you. He was definitely capable of attracting people. According to the last two posts I have linked, this death mask is actually fake!
http://rodama1789.blogspot.com/2017/10/robespierre.html
rodama1789.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-debate-over-robespierres-health.html
http://rodama1789.blogspot.com/search/label/Robespierre?updated-max=2017-09-19T14:52:00-07:00&max-results=20&start=10&by-date=false
http://rodama1789.blogspot.com/2014/05/death-masks-of-robespierre-notorious.html
http://rodama1789.blogspot.com/2014/05/more-death-masks-of-robespierre.html
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>>7661131
Interesting, thank you for the links.
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>>7661149
No problem - please (to you and anyone else reading this) check out the rest of the blog too if you can. There is a lot of interesting trivia, all of which is backed up by numerous sources.
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Twelve Who Ruled is solid as well for the committee of public safety
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>>7661014
which is why they kept them alive so long and only shot them when it became clear there was a growing reactionary element, and then simply shot them.
yeah that sounds like some supervillain stuff there
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>>7659707
This
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>>7656020
Yep. He beat every general he faced, ran the most glorious of empires, and then willingly gave up that power. No one gives up infinite power. What a cute Caesar+Cincinnatus combo #trailblazer
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>>7661019
very based, merci
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>>7659699
>stable kingdom for 800 years



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