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How come the history of Slavery isn't taught in schools?
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>>7077879
Look at it from a pragmatic viewpoint OP, school is meant to serve as a way to get children used to begin in the workforce with enforced time schedule and a basic cover of relevant subjects, its meant to be generalised education to equip people for specialised higher education or jobs. Its meant to cover and account for the most people possible in a population, there is always going to be why wasn't there x taught in school due to the nature of how much stuff there is to learn, its meant to be 'good enough' to get you onto the next step of your own reading or education.
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>>7077950
>school is meant to serve as a way to get children used to begin in the workforce
hahahaha imagine believing this today
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>>7077879
Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist’s real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.
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Indentured servitude is not slavery.
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>>7079515
Brainlet. Barbary pirates were not in the business of “indentured servitude”.
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>>7079071
Ted nailed everything 30 years ahead of time. I still need to send him a letter
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>>7079525
Indentured servitude meant you served a 5-10 year sentence and then were given land as a freeman. That's not the same as permanent racial hierarchy that was permanently prevented from owning property.
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>>7077879
It is
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>>7079535
Barbary pirates weren’t in the business of indentured servitude you fucking mental invalid. Will I need to repeat that for a third time? Do you know how to do anything except regurgitate other people’s talking points?
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>>7079552
Barbary pirates aren't relevant though. Tell me any group that sill suffers as a result of slavery in the arab world and I'll support them.
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>>7079561
White Americans with inferiority complexes
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>>7079561
Nobody suffers from slavery in the Arab world anymore because Arabs were smart enough to castrate the millions of slaves that they captured over the centuries. If only Westerners had been that intelligent, it would have saved us all a massive headache.
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>>7077879
Same reason us isn't taught about the woku slave trade in east asia or champa slave trade in south east asia.
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>>7079561
The Berbers who got fucking rekt by the U.S. in the Barbary Wars
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>>7079633
White slaves were castrated too.
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>>7077879
Picture's fine, but only whites claim their moral high ground and manifest destiny while they've been just the same savages like everybody else.
If your line of defense is "cannibals did it too" then you're not much of a gentleman.
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I just have how everyone blames 'muh white man's for slavery.

We had nothing to do with it.
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>>7077879
>Arabs
>white
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This argument is either retarded or made in bad faith. He makes that claim that "more whites were brought as slaves to North Africa" to disingenuously claim that "Africans" i.e., blacks have enslaved whites just as much as we have done to them. Secondly the concept of "white" was and still is mostly meaningless in the context of the Eastern Med and the Ottoman Empire. The slaves weren't slaves because of their skin color, but because of their religion. The fucking Ottoman Sultans were just as "white" skin color wise as the rest of the Greeks and anyone else in the Eastern Med and North Africa.
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>>7077879
The history of American slavery is taught in American schools.
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>>7077879
proofs?
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>>7079561
Technically speaking any slavery in the bloodline probably affected the current generation. Doesn’t mean there needs to be a program or whatever it’s just a fact of time.
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>>7080041
Whites probably did more to end slavery than anyone since the Persian Empire.
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>>7085483
>whites

Get out.
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>>7085483
I was curious how it was in China - it looks like slavery was extremely limited there (the exception was punishment for a crime, which arguably happens to this day in prison systems), but it also looks to me that the Chinese instead made an invention of enslaving their women and putting them to hard work - like some native American tribes.
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>>7079633
They didn’t castrate them because it’s more profitable long term to have them breed and make more slaves, and that way in 20 years when your current slaves have died, their children can take over and you don’t need to buy new slaves, it made economic sense
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>>7077879
it is if you don't go to -sheep- public school
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just a friendly reminder that before the wog invasion the Irish were the only jigs in Europe
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>>7079561
Mauritania still has a problem with slavery to this very day.
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>>7077879
Why should Americans give a shit about what happened outside of America in regards to American slavery?

I'm a black American: I resent the fact that my ancestors were slaves. What is the point of bringing up slavery in the Ottoman empire?
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>>7077879
Those millions of white slaves just mixed with local populations, there's no legacy of slavery. The only descendants of the white slaves are the average local people, they do not want reparations or feel opressed, but the slaves of the USA became their own distinctive group and were oppressed for centuries even after slavery.
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>>7077879
Blacks would completely overthrow their current music industry if they had any idea the humans who run it are the ones who enslaved their asses. Infact jews simply being the ones who enslaved blacks would cause whites GLOBALLY to lose most guilt towards them and begin to dislike them for being disgusting evil racist to innocent africans. The majority of atrocities done to blacks during slavery was due to jewish slave owners including that nigger with the fucked up back from whipping.
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>>7087363
But it's internal though and not as ckear cut as you think.
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>>7079071
Oh yeah, I remember that, my God how the left hated it when the Soviets shot Yuri Gagarin in space. All those seething French intellectuals.
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>>7079533
I don't know mate. I'd say the simplest explanation for the focus on slavery in the west is because that's the one that shaped their societies. Occam's razor and all. But I guess that's too boring for Ted's acolytes.
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>>7084670
>North Africa is black if we’re talking about Hannibal or Ancient Egypt but white if we’re talking about Barbary enslavement
is this the power of the nu-left?
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>>7087379
>What is the point of bringing up slavery in the Ottoman empire?
Blame shifting and dilution.
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>>7077879
1964
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>>7087630
Muslim countries still call blacks "abeed" or "slave".
>>7087379
Less than tenth of today's blacks have any slave ancestry. Context would rob them of the narcissistic self-image of iconic, uniquely wounded dignity.
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>>7088032
>context is blame shifting and dilution
Just how any doubt about the Jewish lampshade factory is holocaust denial.
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>>7077879
Becaus whites are raised to have dignity so there is no way schools would ever teach about thier enslavement, while blacks on the otoh are socialized through education to believe they are derived from shit, nothing, subjugation, entirely.
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black turks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqpEESACZJQ
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Because you live in America and the North African slave industry did not exploit a labor force of hundreds of thousands for over 2 centuries while powering an entire region of the country and defining your country's politics for the first half of the 19th century along with the history of those slaves' descendants for many generations after. Seems like pretty relevant to teach American children relative to the misdeeds of unrelated people, and yet I did hear of the Arab slave trade and the barbary pirates in my run of the mill high school world history class.

Believe it or not, not everything is about your racial apology.
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>>7092864
The barbary slave trade is not unrelated to american history though. It was the reason the US Navy was initially created.
But schools aren't going to teach that the US had to free enslaved Europeans.
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>>7090257
>Less than tenth of today's blacks have any slave ancestry

What the hell are you talking about? DNA doesn't disappear in thin air.
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>>7077879
How could slavery be America's original sin if slavery's history stretches back millennia before America?
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>>7079064
Prussian-style schooling absolutely is about teaching children adherence to regimentation and deference to authority above all else, which also is the foundation of corporate labor. The education isn't about helping people find work though, you're correct about that.
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Why are Americans constantly making threads about the American Civil War? they even call it 'the Civil War'! Why don't they make threads about every single other civil war in the whole of human history? It's all so complicated it makes my brain melt!
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>>7095115
Because the ((elites)) want to make it appear like only white Americans kill each other.
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>>7079071
Is this a citation of Ted's? Because this is basically Nietzsche's concept of ressentiment, but applied to leftists instead of Christians.
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>>7087379
>I'm a black American: I resent the fact that my ancestors were slaves.
You would resent being stuck in a mudhut or dying of aids even more.
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>>7077879
Because the ones that run the schools ran the trade, And still run the biggest child sex trafficking ring till today.
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>>7077879
forced installing of violance islam as peace realigion in common people by secret state.
So they hide everything bad about islam to the main public.
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>>7077879
The Ottomans used many male slaves as bureaucrats, compare a life of moderate wealth posted somewhere in North Africa as a government official vs being worked to death on a sugar plantation on Santo Domingo and you’ll understand why people tend not to care as much.
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>>7077879
It's all about hating whites. All the stupid leftist double think suddenly disappears when you realize this.
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>>7079071
They hate you and youre a lil bitch. I think this larp shit has gone on long enough you need to leave
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>>7095101
>Declaration of Independence literally says that all men are created equal
>have an economic system where men can be considered property
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>>7096603
Many slaves in the Americas lived a pretty nice life as house slaves, compare that to life in the salt mines where many european slaves ended up in North Africa.
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>>7096706
"all men are created equal" was not so much a philosophical statement was it was a "fuck you" to feudal Europe, with its aristocracy/clerus/peasants caste system
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>>7096706
There were more Irish slaves than blacks were, most blacks were the indentured servants rather than the other way around as certain hebraic libtards suppose.
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>>7096753
uh yes that's exactly the point, isn't it
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>>7096825
I'm pretty sure the first instinct of Europeans, when arriving on African shores on their boats, equipped with guns, literature, mathematics, philosophy, wheels, and art, wasn't "well gee, these guys are exactly like us". You can't blame them.
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>>7096603

You're picking some mighty fine cherries there my man
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>>7096846
And the foppish viscount sneering from the seat of his dashing phaeton could hardly be blamed for thinking that he was something else entirely from the grubby semiliterates who trimmed his hedges and scrubbed his pisspots. right

ignance doesn't excuse hypocrisy dawg
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>>7077950
Yeah...the workforce is why we obsess about the holocaust, slavery, etc while most students can’t even name the first three presidents.
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>>7096919
>what about the really important stuff like names and dates
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>>7096756
Irish slaves are still slaves, anon, not to mention that African slavery in the United States was practically hereditary. Irish slaves weren't technically slaves but "indentured servants" which meant that their offspring, if they had any, were free men.

>>7096753
>implyinjg I wasn't already aware of that aspect
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>>7096876
Not really, large chunks of the Ottoman administration were staffed by slaves.
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>>7096042
This. Absolutely this. It must be the ((elites)) forcing Americans to make threads about their civil war. By the ((elites)) I mean Jews and leftists and leftists and Jews. It is also the ((elites)) leftists and Jews and Jews and leftists that cause Americans to dedicate so much of their schooling to the American Revolution rather than proportionally teaching every single revolution in the whole of human history!

Now we have got this problem solved let's sing a little ditty together while we guiltily masturbate to inter-racial porn!

Leftists and Jews, leftists and Jews.
Jews and leftists and leftists and Jews.
They are the ones that make my bum hurt when I poo!
They are the ones ruining the human race!
They are the ones making me want a black man to cum on my girlfriend's face!
Let's gather round and call each other based!
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Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and UAE use a pseudo-slave system of immigrant workers today. No one talks about it.

https://youtu.be/4D_O3tU3Vss

https://www.thenation.com/article/kingdom-slaves-persian-gulf/

These workers are treated like dirt and their passports are frequently seized to prevent movement. They are looked down on by Arabs and abused and exploited.

https://youtu.be/37F_O5GPQo4

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjHhOvu9IfkAhWoiOAKHS9NA-oQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2Finternational%2Fworld-cup-2022-qatars-workers-slaves-building-mausoleums-stadiums-modern-slavery-kafala-a7980816.html&psig=AOvVaw0FTyFGh1GZbzS3gQhFD7IA&ust=1566062847087318

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/modern-day-slavery-qatar/amp/
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>>7087641
Jews traded slaves but everyone did. They're not special in that.

And slaveowners were overwhelmingly Protestant.

Nice job spreading anti-semitic misinformation.
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>>7096959
How are you this stupid?
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>>7077879
how?
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>>7096603
>>7096995
With their genitals gone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Rowlie

>Samson Rowlie (died after 1577), was Chief Eunuch and Treasurer of Algiers during Ottoman rule. Born in Norfolk, England, the son of Francis Rowlie, he was captured and castrated by the Ottomans in 1577.[1] He converted from Christianity to Islam and took the name Hassan Aga.[2] He served the Beglerbeg of Algiers, Uluç Ali Pasha.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadım_Suleiman_Pasha

>Hadım Suleiman Pasha (Ottoman Turkish: خادم سلیمان پاشا; Turkish: Hadım Süleyman Paşa; c. 1467 – September 1547) was an Ottoman statesman and military commander. He was the (viceroy) of Ottoman Egypt in 1525–1535 and 1537–1538, and Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire between 1541 and 1544.[1] He was a Hungarian eunuch,[2] his epithet hadım meaning "eunuch" in Turkish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadim_Ibrahim_Pasha

>Born in the Sanjak of Bosnia, he became Chief White Eunuch of the Topkapı Palace Harem under Sultan Suleyman the Magnificent.[1] He was appointed Governor of Anatolia, and in 1544 was nominated fourth Vizier. In 1548-9, during the Second campaign of the Ottoman-Safavid War, he got the position of lieutenant Governor of Istanbul, reaching the rank of third Vizier.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadim_Mesih_Pasha

>Masih Pasha was born in Bosnia to a Christian family. As a eunuch he served as chief of the inner pantry and treasury of the imperial palace. In 1574 he was sent to Cairo as governor-general of Egypt. On his return to the capital in 1581 he became the third vizier. He was promoted to second vizier in July 1584

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadım_Şehabeddin

http://www.theottomans.org/english/family/harem4.asp
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>>7097370
http://www.academia.edu/5746954/_The_Making_of_Ottoman_Court_Eunuchs_Origins_Recruitment_Paths_Family_Ties_and_Domestic_Production_Archivum_Ottomanicum_30_2013_105_36

>While the geographical overlap between the Byzantine and Ottoman Empires may have facilitated the continuity of regional castration practices, the account of Theodore Spandounes dating from 1538 indicates that a change in preference regarding the white eunuchs of the male zone of the court occurred as early as in the fifteenth century: Before the time of Mehmed II castration of the eunuchs had been performed simply by cutting the testicles. He, however, insisted on it being done more thoroughly, for he had once seen a gelded horse mounting a mule. To prevent such a possibility, he decreed that castration must be done root and branch. All those who were condemned to this vile treatment – and one out of every ten died under the operation – were sons of Christians.

>All the [male zone / white] eunuchs in the Seraglio may be in number about two hundred, what with old ones, middle aged and young ones: they are all of them not only gelt, but have their yards also clean cut off,
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>>7096603
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallgr%C3%ADmur_P%C3%A9tursson

>During his last year of study there, Hallgrímur was employed to re-educate a group of Icelanders who had been kidnapped by Barbary pirates in the Turkish Abductions in 1627 and ransomed. Among them was a woman, Guðríður Símonardóttir, sixteen years Hallgrímur's senior, with whom he fell in love. Guðríður was married to a man from the Westman Islands, who had not been captured in the raid. After Guðríður became pregnant by Hallgrímur, he left the seminary and returned with the group to Iceland. On their arrival it emerged that Guðríður's husband had died, leaving her a widow; she and Hallgrímur promptly married and he worked as a labourer for a number of years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%C3%B0r%C3%AD%C3%B0ur_S%C3%ADmonard%C3%B3ttir

>Guðríður Símonardóttir (1598 – December 18, 1682) was an Icelandic woman who was one of 242 people abducted from the Westman Islands, Iceland in 1627 in a raid by Barbary pirates.[1] These raids came to be known as the Turkish abductions and Guðríður became known as Tyrkja-Gudda. After being held as a slave and concubine for nearly a decade, she was one of a few captives ransomed by the Danish king. She returned to Iceland, marrying the young pastor Hallgrímur Pétursson, who became known for his poetry and hymns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Abductions

>The most notable captive was Guðríður Símonardóttir. She was sold as a concubine in Ottoman Algeria and was among the few Icelandic who were redeemed nearly a decade later by King Christian IV of Denmark. She returned to Iceland and is known for having later married Hallgrímur Pétursson, who became a Lutheran minister and one of Iceland's most famous poets.
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>>7097377
The Chad Dutch renegade and the Virgin Icelandic fishermen
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>The modern kings of Scotland count themselves as Frenchmen, in race, manners, language and culture; they keep only Frenchmen in their household and following, and have reduced the Scots to utter servitude
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>>7077879
Americans learn American history = Breaking News.

If ottoman slave trade were to be taught to Americans you would need to teach more about world history and that would be bad because we don’t want Americans to think about the relationship between US and the world too much.
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>>7098391
true tbqhwy
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>>7087379
Because education is currently set up to uniquely and ahistorically villainise white people. It's not an attempt to get outside the geographical and historical parochialisms of contemporary America in order to build a grounded, informed population that will be difficult to manipulate.
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>>7077879
How?
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Because afro Americans wouldn't believe that it was the Ottoman Empire which sold slaves and the whites merely bought them. They prefer the narrative of all whites being inherently evil and can't handle the truth.



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