>Every African leader who has proposed a currency independent of the Franc has been asassinated
>>6765024Is not french fault that the globalist dislike independent leaders. Take your cry to them and not the french people.
>>6765034You should study the topic morehttps://youtu.be/42_-ALNwpUoIt's pretty bad
>>6765034The """globalists""" are French businessmen and politicians a great chunk of the time, retard. Not all politics can be explained by your retarded reddit binary.
>>6765024Imf is a fucking imperialist scam
>>6765045Caspian did what?Absolutely based tbeh.
>>6765083>t. discord trannieYou're the one trying to blame french people with something that is more related to capitalism.
>>6765112You are the one trying to blame it on "globalists", a non-existing meme. The money from Africa goes to French banks and French treasury. While French people can't be collectively held responsible they certainly are profiting from it.
Any good books on Sankara?
>>6765122>French banksPrivate owners that don't benefit the whole of the french society. They would fuck the average french if thats implies that they're gonna make more money. But they know that french people would go full ape shit so they fuck up with the africans because is more easy.
>>6765181>Private owners that don't benefit the whole of the french society.Yes they do. State get's taxes from those private players (and sometimes even direct income) and in turn gives French people their gibs and shit.
>>6765083>The """globalists""" are jewish businessmenFtfyIt's not even an anti-Semitic statement, just a fact. Most post-colonial french corporations in Africa are run by millionaire who are predominantly of Ashkenazi descent.
>>6765171He was too busy working
>>6765193The state is forced to tax everyone, even bankers who get their money from stealing shit from Africa. However, is true that those taxes go to the average french in a passive way and it's seems that people don't care much about that as long as their get their gibs.
>>6765201You know how much we love you, our /pol/ish brethren and your constant talk of the most powerful and dangerous entities that set foot on our planet, but please try to back your words from time to time. And no, don't just cherrypick random Shlomos, list the largest companies operating in Africa and their owners. I checked Bollore, Total and Orange and they appear Judenfrei.
>>6765193I'm not really convinced it benefits the average Frenchman who doesn't own a chunk of those companies, the French state also has to pay for a sizable military to keep intervening in Africa, and then there's the corruption and inequality issues that go hand in hand with the concentrations of wealth in the companies looting Africa.
>>6765257Consider following:>French citizen benefits from institutions run by French stateIf French corporations stopped looting africa, those corporations would have lower income, with lower income they would pay less money to French treasury, with less money in French treasury French state would have to impose more taxes on French person or cut the institutions.
>>6765045Caspian simply glosses over the monetary stability brought by the CFA Franc for ex French colonies and makes several omissions or is economical with the truth to say the least :- the forex reserves kept in France are actually yielding a high interest rate which France pays to the African Countries, not the other way around.- those reserves are, like most forex reserves, used by African countries to pay for imports, while guaranteeing foreign investors in Africa don’t have to fear exchange rate risk -Any loan given to African countries (of which I have never heard of) or foreign aid by the French state like he mentions would have been decorrelated from those forex reserves. African monetary reserves kept abroad are therefore not being «lent back» to them.-Monetary policy is not in the hand of the French state. Regional African central banks are in charge. Think of them as mini ECBs.-African countries are actually not clamoring to leave the CFA frank, as they acknowledge the role it plays in easing local trade, keeping the currency stable, and combatting inflation. What they do want however is to transfer their forex reserves to the ECB and change the name to get rid of its colonial background. Few of any want to create a new local currency.-he puts too much emphasis on the inability to devaluate local currencies. As if multiple currency devaluations in Africa were a good idea or a way to foster growth automatically. Investors these days want stability, and the CFA provides at least exchange rate stability for them.-Mali, who left the CFA in the 60s decided to rejoin the system in the 80s. Countries who left permanently without pegging their currency to the dollar instead have fared...rather poorly.-The Chirac quote refers to French private banks and interests, it is a completely separate matter. French banks and industry are indeed overwhelmingly present in ex French colonies. It’s the contrary that would be surprising
>>6765277Or cut France's substantial military, which mostly exists to overthrow African governments and guarantee the continuation of said looting. Also, France would likely elect more pro-worker politicians without French corporations funding politicians like Macron, increasing the average standard of living at the expense of corporate profits.
>>6765289>Or cut France's substantial military, which mostly exists to overthrow African governments and guarantee the continuation of said looting.Do you really think that the military isn't profitable ordeal? They might cut it, but it wouldn't make up for the losses.>France would likely elect more pro-worker politicians without French corporations funding politicians like Macron, increasing the average standard of living at the expense of corporate profits.Man can dream, but it would result in mess that would likely put FN in charge.
>>6765279>-Mali, who left the CFA in the 60s decided to rejoin the system in the 80s.Now you are simplifying it yourself. They left because socialists got in power and rejoined because the said socialist got coup'd
>>6765332Still proves the point that the French didn’t suddenly start killing anyone that even dared to mention leaving the CFA.
>>6765353Well, Traore did overthrew Keita and reinstated CFA so that hardly is a good example.
>>6765045Absolutely based.Europe (especially France) is un-ironically the number one enemy of the African people. The African Union and Nigeria are key to freeing these countries from French economic slavery. But it will take time. Shit like what France is doing in French-speaking Africa is infuriating, but it won't last. France knows that it can't keep looting these countries forever; which is why they are now trying to promote development in francophone Africa with a relationship that is 'gagnant, gagnant' ('win-win'). All the negative PR and China caused them to spring into action. But it's to little, to late. No-one is falling for that shit (at least the young people aren't). Folks are simply demanding France to GTFO of there countries. Protests are going on Niger and Mali; and anti-French sentiments are on the rise not only in francophone Africa but in all of Africa. The main YouTube pages of popular news media such as France 24 and TV5 Monde is full of sub-Saharan Africans shitting on France i the comments sections. Not even trolling, these people are legit calling for the destruction of France. LMAO. You'll never see a Kenyan or a Nigerian shitting on the UK as much. Most of them don't even give a shit about their old colonial master.Good to see Caspian Report is on this. Hope it doesn't get deleted. The world needs to see this.
>>6765368The 20 year gap was more the point, not the coup which is not exactly an unusual occurrence in Africa, French or otherwise
>>6765289>>6765277So you're basically saying that the corporations are running the show, no the "french people".
>Try to leave the zone franc>Get assassinated by french agents.How the fuck are they supposed to leave? It's sad as hell. France controls their economy, has military bases in all those countries and is looting their natural resources. If you speak up you simply disappear. Someone please tell me there's light at the end of the tunnel for these countries. I don't wanna see my Africa bros suffering anymore.
>>6765419Corporations run by French people and state run by French people in consent with French people as a nation. You can't just extract any of those parties from the equation.
>>6765419Not op but its French corporations, military, government and African puppet agents
>>6765432As i said, here >>6765279They don’t actually want to leave anymore, just switch to a European reserve account and change the name of the currency. Which is actually in the works right now with a first draft of the project expected in 2020.
>>6765432Can you imagine the GDP of this African state after being free of France?
>>6765460No thats what France and the puppet Africans want. The people don't want that at all amd are not being heard. Niamey, Niger and Bamako, Mali for example are in perpetual states of protest because of this sort of thing.
>>6765438>Corporations run by French people and state run by French people in consent with French people as a nationBy this logic, the show is also being runned by african puppet agents both corporate and public who let french to steal everything while they also steal money for their own profit, with the consent of the african people as a nation, since africans are not doing much to stop corrupt retards from fucking the entire continent
>>6765470>By this logic, the show is also being runned by african puppet agents both corporate and public who let french to steal everything while they also steal money for their own profit....Should have stopped there. You were doing good
>>6765460>European reserve account and change the name of the currencySwitching to EU reserves? Hahahaha!Why do this when you can quit all together and form your own currency. That's exactly what the planned ECOWAS currency is for. Africans should have complete control over their own currencies and not have any link to Europe or the EU.Changing the name isn't gonna do shit. It's poison. They don't want to leave anymore? Who the fuck told you this? Alasanne Ouattara? People do want to eave, but they just want more preparation, which is why the ECOWAS has been delayed.
>>6765470>it's not the fault of the French that their elected government pursues a policyshow me one case of ordinary french people trying to stop this>only the corporations profitOnly the corporations profit from having access the dirt cheap natural resources and the state treasury getting free money? Get a grip, the operation probably more than pays for itself. France is completely reliant on uranium for power, for example.
>>6765470>By this logic, the show is also being runned by african puppet agents both corporate and public who let french to steal everything while they also steal money for their own profitCorrect, they are junior members of the scheme.>with the consent of the african people as a nation, since africans are not doing much to stop corrupt retards from fucking the entire continentThat depends where. The Africans the rebel quite often under Marxist banners but end up fucking shit up due to incompetence and god help them if the nationalist revolutionary turns out to be competent since then he must be eliminated.
>>6765467He doesn't know any Francophone Africans. The hate those people have towards France is completely justified IMO. Fuck France. They should switch to English and forge closer ties with there neighbours Ghana and Nigeria.
>>6765462Why have that when when ECOWAS is already a thing? Shit screams future super-power. Hope to see east African federation and ECOWAS fusion in the near future.
>>6765493>>6765495Because Nigeria keeps being assholes when it comes to African unity
People in North Africa and the EU countries such as Spain and Italy need to see this. The reasons you cunts are getting flooded by mostly french speaking African migrants is because of France. The situation is only gonna get worse with time because of the rapidly increase population in these countries.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42_-ALNwpUoI don't want my country to get flooded by Nogs because of fucking France. Seriously spread the word
>>6765486>>6765479I'm saying that if the french people are fault because they're not opposing corruption in the goverment, by the same logic africans have fault because they're not opposing corruption. I mean, when Gadaffi was killed I didn't see a lot of riots in his favour. But outside of Africa the intervention was harshly criticized.>>6765473I'm just using his own logic.
>>6765083The globalists are Jews. You know Jews are the most powerful people in Europe. Send your hate to them
>>6765024Same with everyone who tried to untie his oil-backed currency from the US-DollarRIP Ghaddafi, Saddam
>>6765532French people consent to it because France is a democratic country and they are the people on top of this scheme. Africans can consent, but they can't really "dis-consent", if e.g. Sankara decided to get Burkinabe shit together (and he did), he was assassinated via French-backed coup.
>>6765543French President, Emmanuel Macron is a Rothschilds puppet.
>>6765551Cease thine brainletism. This is not what you've been asked for. French colonial policy wasn't conceived by grannyshagger.
>>6765551French neocolonialism is deeper than that. This is multigenerational and been ongoing centuries before the scramble for africa
>>6765565Are you really denying this? You know damn well Jews control France and Europe
>>6765542>France is a democratic countryBut is not that simple. Also calling it "democracy" is a bit of an overstatement. But let's see when french people disagree on measures their government takes, they can't just "vote" to stop them and there is a recent example of this with the yellow vests movementhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_vests_movementWhen the goverment is fucking things up, they have to mobilize, riot, protest and strike. Now this has anything to do with democracy and is something that africans can do, but they don't, at least not now. Again where are the riots for the killing of Gadaffi?
I'm pretty sure France uses the euro
French neocolonialism? you nean that more than half of French citizens being Algerian or moroccan, yeah its kind of a reverse colonialism
>>6765583African people do it. They just "dissapear" or get labeled as terrorists. The Dogon and Fulbe of Mali/Burkina Faso for example recently armed up to fight Jihadists. US & French troops track them endlessly now. Its hard to mobilize when you're under armed guard by occupiers. Tyrant leaders use militaries to stamp down protests and dissidents. Togo is a good example. Where their government has killed quite a few protestors recently. And this has been the case since colonialism. Shootings by puppet governments happen often.
>>6765532Nobody is keeping the French down with tanks and guns. They could affect change bloodlessly. Africans just get killed.
>>6765581You've been given simple instructions how to do research. You are grown man, you should be able to follow them.>>6765583>they can't just "vote" to stop them and there is a recent example of this with the yellow vests movementFrench people voted for grannyfucker in elections, this is the result of that. Also Yellow vests managed to push for some of their demands. They aren't protesting against colonialism, because it isn't a negative issue for them.>but they don'tThey did and lethal violence was applied against them.>Again where are the riots for the killing of Gadaffi?There's civil war going in, lad, no time for shit like that. Not to mention Gaddafi was sort of failure, just because you are a nationalist doesn't mean you will be a good ruler.
>>6765045Nice conspiracy theory. The agreement to use the CFA Frank is completely voluntary, if those countries don't like it they can stop anytime.
>>6765615This. Dumb neckbeards sitting in the basement think you can just up and defeat a tyrant supported by a foreign military.
>>6765626>try to stop>get shot
>>6765432You're mistaking correlation for causation. It's not like insurrections or assassinations are a rarity in Africa.
>>6765626>f those countries don't like it they can stop anytime.*Get's run over by a Peugeot*
>>6765651There's plenty of evidence for causation.>It's not like insurrections or assassinations are a rarity in Africa.Yea, it's pretty damn easy to hire a warlord or an assasin and it's also much cheaper than outright war.
This has been a pretty good thread all things consideredActually gave me some hope, if slim, for Africa's future
>>6765664Speaking of Africa's future, how's that Great Green Wall thing coming along?Can we make this in part a good vibes African progress thread?You hear about awful shit coming from the continent regularly, would be a nice change of pace to hear something positive for once
>>6765024Who's the second nigga.
>>6765686another bilion niggers, yeah that's what the world needs
>>6765024Lol. Instead of blaming White people for all your problems by making all sorts of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, you should look yourself in a mirror... or look at those IQ scores
No one is stopong africans from ditching their fake nation nationalism and geting rid of their retarded borders
>>6765651>france backs a series of coups and conducts a series of assassinations>assassinations and coups are now common
>>6765024Implying niggers could run a Central Bank without fucking it up. You should be grateful the Frogs let you peg your shitty FCFA to the Euro.
>>6765694>Lol. Instead of blaming Jewish people for all your problems by making all sorts of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, you should look yourself in a mirror... or look at those IQ scores
>>6765697except the french
>>6765608When you're that economically tied to your former colonies naturally the people are going to feel like they are still apart of it. If France lessens its grip on Africa and allows it to be more independant they could finally fix themselves up. But rhey wont. Because France would be broke and Greece tier without Africa. If they don't continue to stay beloved by Africans they're done for as a major EU power. So France allows these former colonies that they need servility from to migrate their. Its what keeps them at the center of it all because they can no longer directly project onto Africa. It may be the case one day that France becomes so desperate to maintain its last true sphere of influence in the world that they invade again. Possibly under the guise of the War on Terror or anti-Chinese intervention. Both scenarios entailing puppet Africans requesting aid. Honestly if Europe doesn't reign in France, United States, Israel, Saudi Arabia. Then Russia, China, India & Iran with will create and "Age of Asia"
>>6765686AFAIK only Senegal and Niger are working on the green wall.Good news? Plenty. You should check out the following links if you are interested in African development in infrastructure, economy, health car, energy etc... https://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=372 and https://constructionreviewonline.com/Just avoid western sources when it comes to Africa. The only thing they cover is poverty and violence. Fuck 'em.
>>6765715and the UN, you can't just go around annexing your neighbors anymore.
>>6765024Would be dictator being eliminated by their fellow dictator. Where is the problem again? Why is it all the totally-not-corrupt commies are those that got killed before they could get in power?
>>6765709>having 70% of your currency reserves go to another country is totally worth some slightly more competent managementso you'd be fine with someone much smarter than you having absolute power in your life for the small price of them taking everything you own or earn and also fucking you in the ass whenever they feel like it?If someone's interests are contrary to yours, they won't be good to you even if they are more competent than you.
>>6765721Because the French had them killed?I come from an ex commie country and know full well how bad it is, but in these third world shitholes the commies (and lately jihadis) are the only ones acting in the people's interest.
>>6765634>the bullet takes 20 years to reach youretard
>>6765718What is the endgame for Europe in Africa anyway?
>>6765722Fuck your bait. Africans leaders are incompetent, greedy and corrupt and that's on you. There is no alternative, just even more incompetent, greedy and corrupt warlords.
>>6765736>alternative presents itself>gets killedEven if they are incompetent, a fool acting in your interests is better than a genius bent on predatory exploitation.
>>6765719Thanks for the link anonI'm off to bed now, take care
>>6765722>If someone's interests are contrary to yoursWhat interests? Who qualified you to speak for all Africans? I'm pretty sure other Africans have no problem doing business with the US, Euros or the Chinese.Do you think you're the first clown to think his guy should be in power only to find he's another corrupt piece of shit even more corrupt than the guy before him? Are you some FPI Gbagboist scum?
>>6765686>making me fucking cry because we were on our way to making it a thingBro we're trying OKAY!https://www.weforest.org/newsroom/dare-invent-future-thomas-sankara-and-his-plan-save-forest
As a French I can tell you that our media are real silent about all this neo-colonialism issue and franc CFA. It has nothing to do with Macron but it is more of a deep state/big companies thing. Politicians never talk about it and no matter who we elect it keeps going. I find it hard to blame the French people who are not even aware of all this.
>>6765615Again, "some" riots are not enough. Sure there are people who are going to oppose, but for a corrupt goverment to change you need a giant long-term strike, again and again. Is not a two-days thing, just look at the movement in France that I just posted, or look to the burkinabe uprising, they achived their goal after giant strikes. I keep asking where they were when Lybia just get bombed? the first thing when you search about the subject is this >According to a Gallup poll conducted in 2012, 75% of Libyans were in favor of the NATO intervention, compared to 22% who were opposed. A 2011 Orb International poll also found broad support for the intervention, with 85% of Libyans saying that they strongly supported the action taken to remove the Ghadafi regime.maybe shitty polls are not trustworthy, but again, where are the evidence of the contrary? a lot of africans were supporting independence movement, so were they are when things are going bad? not talking just about now, but just after they gained independence>>6765623Electing between retards is not really democracy. But besides that, France already has no "empire" in Africa, all things that are having place there are "under the table". There are people who oppose the intervention in the war on Syria because they know is happening, but I doubt a large chung of people now how things work in Africa and with the recent events in Europe surrounding inmigration, the relations maybe are going to get worse.
>>6765686>>6765771But yeah Burkina Faso & Mali participate too. Theres some tree growers in Timbuktu and some Burkinabe do it on their own because its a Sankarist tradition. So I guess so far thats 4 countries on board...But honestly its Chad that needs it the most...
>>6765756>Who qualified you to speak for all Africans?Certainly not French corporations seeking to drain the continent of resources for profit.
>>6765775>I find it hard to blame the French people who are not even aware of all this.Raise awareness by talking about immigration from Africa. That should get their attention. More impoverished francophone africans means more migration.
>>6765732A more limited but necesary trade at world market prices due to increased inter-african commerce and competition with other world powers. France will likely decline quietly or chimp out and go Imperial Guardsman on Africa with or without world support. But even that wont last. Betong economic relations and possible war I imagine the affairs of South Africa and Northern Africa will always be an interest for them.
>>6765715prove it, france even has the euro now
>>6765775Its the same thing with America. We have a serious soldier worship problem. We praise them. But the military industrial complex is empowering tyrants like Saudi Arabia & Israel. Our military budget is the most embarassing money sink.
>>6765756Gbagbo dindu nuffin
>western powers accept your independence >ally with soviet Russia and red china instead>get angry when the west keeps sponsoring coup detats
>>6765794So you're retarded. Trade with Africa is minimal, it's nothing. if anything the French are retarded for not pressing their political connections to do more business there if they're going to bear the cost of maintaining some economical and political stability there. Or they should just let the chink have it all. Francafrique is a stale meme, these geezers are all dead or geriatric. it's the IMF and World Bank that has been fucking Africans in the ass since at least the 80s by lending them money they can't pay back and exert political pressure to privatize their infrastructure on them.
>>6765805>chimp out and go Imperial Guardsman on Africa with or without world support.Tracking the history of France so far, this is whats most likely going to happen
Lol garbage thread. The conspiracy of the CFA is shit tier.
>>6765775What a cuckTu devrais lire Bernard Lugan aulieu d'acheté la propagande tiers-mondiste. Bernard Lugan donne une vision très rouge-pilulé de l'Afrique que tout le monde devrais connaitre. En réalité le Franc CFA n'apporte rien a la France, c'est les Africains qui gagne dans cette histoire...https://francais.rt.com/opinions/59969-afrique-a-tout-gagner-cfa-quand-interet-france-est-de-le-supprimerhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=6Eclz24kC-IAchete aussi son livre "Osons dire la vérité à l'Afrique".
>>6765824>RT>SoralContinue to educate yourself anon.
>>6765777https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/03/26/nigers-protests-are-ramping-up-heres-why/%3foutputType=amp...since 2005...thats how long they've been protesting in Niamey, Niger. And that wasn'st the first time since independance either
>>6765810On all account Gbagbo was a massive retard, not just because he was mean, but because he sucked even at being a petty dictator. Every move he made was a mistake.
>>6765820Don't see this happening to be honest. Not in this day and age. France is gradually losing influence in these countries; franceafrique's days are numbered.
>>6765775>bitches about neo-colonialism>thinks he understands macro-economics and monetary policy>doesn't mention the IMF and World BankStop being a brainlet
>>6765844>franceafrique's days are numbered.It's dead. Literally. These people are all gone. Bouygues and Bollore have to bribe their way just like anyone else.
I hate niggers and all but colonialism is a huge mistake
>>6765815>get angry when the west keeps sponsoring coup detatsWhy in the world is it up to the west who Africa chooses to ally with once they're independent? That makes no sense. Just because its not with them doesn't mean they have to be the bitter ex-girlfriend about it.
>>6765818No its literally France
>>6765845I just stated some fact bro. It is true that no mainstream media or politician talk about it in France. It is true that French politic in Africa as been unchanged for a very long time regardless of the people in power. I'm not making any conclusions here nor am I bitching about neo-colonialism.
>>6765662>There's plenty of evidence for causation.Provide it please
>>6765844>France is gradually losing influence in these countriesYes, and the far right in France is gaining influence.
>>6765850It was but not for the reason you'd think. Read about it.It barely lasted a few decades and hardly paid for the trouble and expense of building everything. There just never was much to exploit.
>>6765862>It is true thatExcept it's not. It has changed quite a lot because the people that made up those networks are all gone.
>>6765852What are economical spheres of influences?Afrikangs meme countries had no right to exist in the first place but their independence was recognized, allying with western enemies soon after was a betrayal that had to be punishedAnd I think the same about Russia and Ucraine btw, those former soviet republics were designed as buffer states, entering in the EU or the NATO betrays their neutrality
>>6765869>Africa demands dissasociation with France>Economic independence begins for Africa>France has a recession>Africa puppets do what coons do>Africa at war>Far right gains power in France>Future France chimpout >loading....30%Can you see the strings too?
>>6765885*cue Chinese anthem*>China swoops in like a raging dragon>hears Africa wants to cut economic ties with Europe>"oh herro mbundu" >Might of Communist China BTFO France
>>6765882Are you fucking retarded? Those countries have full right to exist, and they can ally with whoever the fuck they want. And its ''Ukraine'' you dumb illiterate fuck. And thank god, China already is allied with most of Africa, and you sub-human snowniggers are losing what little grip you have on that continent.Hurry the fuck up, and die out already.
>>6765777>Electing between retards is not really democracy.No, that's precisely what democracy has ever been.>But besides that, France already has no "empire" in Africa, all things that are having place there are "under the table".That's why it's called "neo"colonialism.
>Nothing ever happens outside the influence of western powers>All africans are puppets and are easily manipulated by the WestThat's racist.
>>6765874Yeah thats why I think colonialism is bad, and also immigration issues
>>6765852Look at his eyes. They shift from Europe. To africa. Then to china...how symbolic.We're coming for you Mbundu-hunters.....
>>6765024Reminder that there's absolutely no evidence that France had anything to do with Sankara's death.
>>6765882>What are economical spheres of influences?Whatever an independent country chooses to make them. For example If i was a nations leader I would make my economic sphere of incluence your moms tits.>Afrikangs meme countries had no right to existAnd you seriously think the current post colonial ones are any less memey? Its comical and obvious what they've done to Africa. Before there was atleast some relevant continuty. >allying with western enemies soon after was a betrayal Thats none of your business. After independence Africa was instantly a neutral party. You cant free a people and dictate their choices. Thats not freedom. Not to mention all of the african movements that went that way only wanted colonialism out in the first place. Rightfully so. Learn how to take a L>that had to be punishedAnd thats why reverse colonialism is a thing. You do it to yourself....just....let....go.>And I think the same about Russia and Ucraine btwWho gives a fuck
>>6765864>EyademaFormer French Legionary, one year after being discharged murdered Olympio and took power.>TraoréHigh ranking French officer, after being discharged led coup against Keïta
>>6765942There literally are partially declassified archives mentioning frenchies. Altough I doubt they will come clean any time soon.
>>6765907lmao good luck nigger
>>6765957there are treaties, nations are not all free nor they should be, greece has not the freedom to allow a Russian military port being build without italy or France allowing itThis is how geopolítics works, afrikanz allied with red china and ussr so they deserved western backed military coups for being ungrateful tards and not maintaining their neutralityIts that fucking simple
>>6765966>Le epic funney reaction face>>6765982Source?
>>6765907this nigga mad
>>6765551>hey anon most of these "globalists" aren't Jewish...>no but all the none Jewish politicians are Jewish puppets, I win again
>>6766024And this is why Europe and America are getting blacked. Let us be African. Or YOU will be African.
>>6766041Can't wait until you read more so that you can come back here and apologize for knowing you deserved le epic funn teaction face for being so glop made. Sloppy ass slug
>>6766024Many were neutral though. Not all left wing nations had ties with soviets, many nations played off both sides.
>>6765874A few decades is a long ass time and France in this case had a long presence in places like Dakar.
How are people saying francafrique is dead you know despite the defense forces and the retention of the currency or French companies using the government as a bulwark?
>>6766072Ah right, so you have fuck-all then. Thanks for playing you slimy lying faggot.
>>6765935This post is /v/ tier
>>6765395>Folks are simply demanding France to GTFO of there countries.Nice, now if you GTFO Europe that would mean we're even
>>6765479>>it's not the fault of the French that their elected government pursues a policyGiles Jaunes in the street every Saturday opposing Macron.
>>676565320 years later though, your point is moot.
>>6765718>Because France would be broke and Greece tier without AfricaThe French elite really don't care about the common people so this wouldn't be an argument for them.Also, France has the EU to claim their gibs
>>6765728>commies (and lately jihadis) are the only ones saying that they act in the people's interest.Ftfy
>>6766164>The French elite really don't care about the common people so this wouldn't be an argument for them.The money funds French state that is already experiencing difficulties and that power is preventing Germans from achieving total hegemony over EU policy. Without colonies they would be screwed Big Time.
>>6766041You know they can't respond, right?I mean it would mean their /pol/-tier retardedness would have to be justified which, obviously, it isn't
>>6765719>that one south indian indian state with the high HDI
>>6766178No they won't, French economy is doing all right and the Paris, Rhone valley and the North are major industrial and economic hubs. France is the biggest producer of agricultural products in Europe so they have a strategic advantage of actually providing food for the EU. Finally France is the only EU country with a large military when Britain leaves. They do not need to fear German hegemony any time soon.
Just wondering, who here is actually African from Francafrique?
>>6766221Couple in here.
I hate frogs so fucking much lads
>>6766218The "economy" might be doing allright for a while (partially thanks to the colonial exploitation), but that can't be said for the state or the society.>France is the biggest producer of agricultural products in Europe Which stands and falls on EU policy.>Finally France is the only EU country with a large military...and what is that military good for?>They do not need to fear German hegemony any time soon.Because it's here for some quite time already
>>6766088Dakarisabit of an exception, even though what people understand as Colonization didn't start until the mid to late 1890s. Before that, the "Colonial Empire" was really a bunch of coastal trade posts and trade agreements with local tribal kings that changed hands more than a few times.
>>6766285>thanks to the colonial exploitationYou keep making that batshit crazy claim but never prove or explain it. What was so valuable to exploit in Africa that paid made the French rich after paying for all the infrastructure they built there? I think you're full of shit and a nigger with a chip on his shoulder but I'll keep an open mind.
>>6766366>>6766285Was it the 4,000 tons of shelled peanuts produced by sharecroppers? Or the 416 tons of Shea butter? This is ludicrous, it wouldn't even cover the cost of laying 800 miles of tracks.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar%E2%80%93Niger_Railway
>>6766366>You keep making that batshit crazy claim I love how you ingored the first word.>What was so valuable to exploit in Africa that paid made the French rich after paying for all the infrastructure they built there?Let's start with electrical energy. What's the major source of electrical energy in France? Where does the fuel come from?
>>6766392Uranium. So the French are buying Uranium ore from some African country. So what?Show us how France got rich "exploiting" Africa. I think your butthurt comes from the fact that despite Independence you can't hack it alone, you still need your French daddy to stop you from devolving into horrendous civil war. That's on you, habibi.
how do the french get away with it?
Which has the least abusive relationship, Françafrique or Commonwealth?
>>6766419>So what?Are you fucking kidding me? If Africans just decided to flip them off and deny them the resource, the French would have to rely on Westinghouse and Rosatom. That would be big fucking loss for them, you are either a complete retard or a liar for ignoring that.>Now let's do something else, somethin bit less serious but more exemplary of their subversion.Following murder of Thomas Sankara, which company controlled Burkinabe cotton production? Who controlled the company under Sankara? What happened to the company when French-payed regime took power?
>>6766121That isn't a problem if france fucks off
>>6765193Niggers and arabs are migrating to France and they mostly get all the gibs while actual ethnic french get nothing so you shouldn't complain since it goes full circleCheckmate
>>6766525You have to be 18 to post here.
>>6765277US fruit companies in the 1950s made a lot of money. That doesn't excuse what they did.
>>6765470>with the consent of the african people as a nation, since africans are not doing much to stop corrupt retards from fucking the entire continentRetard alert
>>6765193except that this is complete bullshit. the wealthy rent accountants and lawyers to set up trusts and the like so they pay fuck all tax, and if the descendants are smart (instagram seems to show that they are not), then you can build a dynasty.the productive, responsible, buys into the social compact, middle class dude - thats who is paying taxes. and they are a dying breed.
>>6766427Commonwealth easily.French are out there killing/exiling African leaders and jacking all their natural resources.
>>6766603So the French state gets literally nothing from the corporations? I knew Macron reduced corporate tax, but I didn't know the madman set it to 0.
>>6766426Western media won't cover it because it's... inconvenient. The 'leaders of the free-world', are aware but choose to ignore it.France has been terrorizing and killing west Africans for decades with zero repercussions. It's really disgusting.
>>6766649>Western media won't cover it because it's... inconvenient. Topkek. I love how westerners larp as holier-than-thou, bleeding heart anti-racist universalists when put negroes in videogames and refugees in their countries, but when it comes to adressing elephant in the room they just ignore it with bourgeiose noblesse.
>>6766478They get their Uranium from somewhere else, or just bribe their way to get what they want. You think even Gbabgo stopped doing business with Bollore and Bouygues? These guys don't care, they'll do business with anyone, they all take bribes anyway.I don't know enough about Thomas Sankara to argue the finer point but even if the French had some interests in the Burkinabe cotton trade, the volume traded amount to nothing, it's a local issue between (corrupt) businessmen. Implying the French economy depended on shitty cotton from Burkina is retarded, it might matter locally but nobody else gives a fuck.Burkina, Mali, Niger and Chad are backwater shitholes even by West African standards. Not that they're bad people but they don't matter until they have Islamist lunatics chimping out making everybody look bad.
>>6766649>France has been terrorizing and killing west AfricansJihadists don't count. They're animals and should be treated as such. Fuck them.
>>6765443NPC as fuck
>>6766649>>6766679No, it's because nobody cares about some shit-sucking Africans living and dying.
>>6765419That is how bourgeois ‘democracy’ works, yes.
>>6766760>They get their Uranium from somewhere elseFor much, much higher price assuming they even get what they need and it's not taken.>the volume traded amount to nothingThat's why I said something less serious, yet something that still counts. More importantly something that shows French forces won't let these people be, if they don't let themselves be exploited.
>>6766087Brilliant and saved
>>6766095I have plenty. You don't. So get to work on that Garry
Thing is, colonialism of one form or another has been a constant of African history for millennia. Long before Europeans ever came to the ivory coast Arabs and Ottomans were forming trade colonies and buying slaves by the thousands. Today the vast majority of new development and infrastructure in Africa comes from foreign multinats coming in and building up a region just enough to extract all the resources in it, but little actual nation-building on the part of Africans themselves. Even if Europe and America left Africa alone forever starting today they would still have to deal with China exploiting them and Chinamen coming to take their women cause they're so ronery. No major long-term civil society, much less advanced civilization has ever taken root in Africa, and there doesn't seem to be much evidence to suggest that will happen in the future.
>>6766174Does it even matter? >Be Sankarist>bring great success to your people and implement policies that are having a real effect on you country>even deny yourself the comfort of greatest black invention ever, air conditioning, just to be show how committed you are.>get labeled as a communist because of eastern ties >The west wants you fucked>Be Muslim >bring humility to your people by preserving pre-colonial traditions that circumvent the puppet governments systems>even practice restraint by denying yourself the possibility of an alliance with the rest of the islamic world, just to show that the Subsaharan flavor of Islam is not the western supported Wahhabist mess of modern day >Sufism, Suwarian, etc etc. >get labeled as an infidel by Arabs and friends. (Tuareg, Kunta, Baggara, Shuwa, etc) >the MENA wants you fuckedThen Jihadists come. Start shit with the west in you lands. Which the west uses to do even more grimey shit. The same way they used "Communism" as the excuse before. Its an endless cycle that they continue to manufacture as if people won't notice. Like a previous Anon said, Europe and the US LITERALLY think that Africa is their "economic sphere of influence"...that kind of thinking has to stop. You have been a preying on Africa for too many centuries. Its time....to....let.....go
>>6766205>currently under investigation...it doesn't look good at all for Francehttps://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/africa/812008/burkina-faso-is-asking-france-to-declassify-military-files-on-thomas-sankaras-assassination/amp/https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Burkinab%C3%A9_uprisinghttps://www.africanews.com/2016/06/07/family-of-former-burkina-leader-wants-a-re-test-to-identify-his-body/
>>6766221I know 1 personally thats lurking. Theres probably more though
Not only that anon, the French killed the fucking UN Secretary General https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dag_Hammarskj%C3%B6ldBecause he tried to stop them from coup’ing, assassinating African democratic leaders. >how do they get away with itHonestly it is shocking. They have a lot of political capital, soft power, and cultural capital that they cash in when needed. They lobby hard and engage in hardcore intelligence in the US, UK to promote their interests. Still it’s fucking shocking.
ITT: Damn if only white would have fucked off we could be living in mudhuts in peace....
Also,>muh anti communistThey would label any nationalist leader who wanted to accumulate capital for national productive investments a “communist” and use Cold War machinations; while at the same time giving the Soviets access to NATO info and selling out the Americans whenever needed.
>>6767333Actually it’s more like>if only whites(France) would have fucked off we could stop living in mudhuts and enjoy prosperity....
>>6766357French colonization in the conventional sense began in the 1850s. Not the 1890s. Long before the Berlin Conference. Dakar, Kayor, Siine, Jolof, Bundu, Futa Toro, Khasso & more came under French influence as they encroached into the Senegambia. It got so bad that a large migration of Africans from Futa Toro mostly, spread all over the savanna-sahel. Unsatisfied with the French occupation and prefering the Islamic rule of Jallon or Tukulor. Elhajj Umar Tall even decreed that any African muslim found doing business with the French trangressors was a traitor to Allah. Which assisted his empire greatly amongst those with anti-colonial sentiments. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Medina_FortIt was later during the 1980s (and 1890s as you described) that France expanded with European support. Which is why this date is more acklowledged. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandingo_WarsBut France had been destabilizing Africa for centuries before that. Along with the rest of north/west Europe and their American colonies. Flooding it with millions of guns annualy, depopulating the region through high quantity chattel slavery and exasperating tribal tensions to the point of creating state dysfunction. There is one good thing though. France destroyed Dahomey...even though they helped create it but whatever.
>>6767360Then why were niggers living like savages centuries before colonialization
>>6766550He obviously doesn't pay attention to African politics and history
>>6765240Bollore is a kike, your search is badfound nothing on Total and orange tho
>>6766780Most of the time it isn't Jihadists. Its protesters
>>6765730>>6766153what are you referring to
>>6766781Its a systemic problem. It has to be for the French people to do absolutely shit all about it. Either they don't care, prefer it to be that way or they don't know. All are no-gos for Africa. Its much more sensible to bring the fight to France. Being there as opposed to in Africa allows the source of the problem to be tackled. Its alot more personal when its in your own backyard. Can't ignore neo-colonialism when its effects aren't just felt in a far off land that the French can dissasociate from. When conditions in Africa allow for them to change things themselves without getting shot or disenfranchized. Then the French are innocent. Until then they are apart of the system plagueing Africa. Ignorance is not an excuse anymore. We are in too deep. >NPCStfu pansy
>>6766812...better start caring. Because if you don't they'll continue to shit-suck in your own backyard
>>6765815>france keeps trying to dominate your politics>france keeps your economy on a tight leash>france repeatedly silences dissent with an iron fist>france loots your country of resources>...>ally with people who are enemies of francewow, shocking decision
>>6766871>Link very much relatedhttps://youtu.be/7hfFxTbLFWs>In March 2008, former French PresidentJacques Chiracsaid:"Without Africa, France will slide down into the rank of a third [world] power”>"Chirac’s predecessorFrançois Mitterandalready prophesied in 1957 that:"Without Africa, France will have no history in the 21st century”>"It’s suchan evil system even denounced by the European Union, but France is not ready to move from thatcolonial system which puts about 500 billions dollars from Africa to its treasury year in year out"http://www.voiceofafrica.tv/en/jacques-chirac-without-africa-france-will-slide-down-into-the-rank-of-a-third-world-power-d129
>>6765024my boy thomas in the serbian camo
>>6765193>Implying any of them pay any meaningful amount of taxes. There is stories of potential tax frauds happening almost every month in France and no one cares. Also companies are the biggest welfare queens of France. They constantly receive billions to "help employment" that they just give to their shareholders and then fire people anyway.
>>6767007>pic related. The return of the Kandake. Truefeminismisnotwestern.exeThe Arabization of the Maghreb, Egypt & to some extent the Horn, Sahel, Swahili coast is very unfortunate for Africa. Never before have Africans not been able to assimilate settlers from outside the continent. As they have always done for many millenia. But Africa is not stupid. Many adopted Islam to their own advantage and on their own terms. Forming some of Africa's greatest empires. Despite the toll slaving took on their people no one can ever say that these states weren't administered, ruled and defended by African people. Europe and America in Africa are not comparable to Arabs in Africa. When it comes to slave trading the former equalled or surpassed in only 200+ years what the latter did in 1,400+ years. They conquered the entire continent and took away their states legitimacy whereas Arabs fostered relations with existing states. In modern day Africans are catching on. Putting political pressure on Mauritania for their slavery, BTFO Tuareg seperatists, hunting Wahhabist puppets in the central sahel, pro-african protests in Sudan and anti-arab sentinemt still strong in swahili coast after you know what happened in Zanzibar. Theres plenty of evidence suggesting things are changing. If only you actually know something about Africa. Also China can never cuck Africa. We've had Blasian babies before. All got assimilated. >link related. Its Sudan fighting pan-Arabization and pro-western puppet governmentshttps://www.google.com/amp/s/gulfnews.com/amp/world/mena/unknown-lady-ignites-sudan-protests-with-chants-1.1554805432439
>>6765045>post leftist propaganda
>>6767333Exactly...or you know...came to trade in good faith like a sensible person. I'm sure Africans would have gladly traded uranium, oil and shit if modernization was offered on their own terms. But I guess thats too civilized huh?
>>6765024>>6765045Fuck evil whitey!!!We wuz wankanda n shieeet then da white devil stole out technology!!!
>>6765024>>6765045>>6765083>>6765432>hurr le French boogeymen!!!How is Congo doing? It's not part of Franceafrica, is it?What about Zimbabwe? Or Somalia.Face it, nigs will always be nigs.
>>6767538Because their priority wasn't to be the type of savage that develops all manner of murder technology. They prefered to be the type of savage that lived traditionally.
>>6767789>thinks in terms of left vs right instead of looking at the factsThe state of /his/. Literal /pol/ residue seeping onto this board
>>6767745I wish the US made it that far in the self awareness department...we aren't even at step 1.
>>6767794Is this the guy who pretended to be Dagomba?
>>6766536He's 100% right.A massive part of taxpayers money in France is used to fund immigration (gibs as most migrants don't work, funding free health care for migrants, gibs for large families of migrants....etc).France loses shitons of money every year for immigration. It keeps being funded as big companies owner see an advantage in it (the bigger the population is, the more concurrence there is to find a job and the worst you can treat people you hire) but for the average French citizen it's only problems.Combine that with the fact big companies owners evade taxes all the times, and I doubt the average French dude benefits a lot from money "stolen" to Africa.
>>6765122>While French people can't be collectively held responsible they certainly are profiting from it.It's the other way around.Most French people certainly don't benefit from it, but they can be held reponsible, as they keep voting for globalist shills (Macron, Hollande, Sarkozy...etc) rather than for people who are firmly against military interventions in foreign countries (Lepen).
>>6767814>How is Congo doing?Bad>It's not part of Franceafrica, is it?No but they are absolutely Francophone. Frenchmen go to the cities regularly to conduct business. Its well known. >What about Zimbabwe?An entirely different set of issues more closely connected with the affairs of South Africa, UK & Portugal. Still very much related because colonialism in general though. Just because France isn't involed doesn't mean other European powers weren't fucking Africa up. Its also fair to say that it isn't all in Europes hands. Africans are also at fault. But theres levels to this shit. >Or Somalia.What about it? Do you know its history? Try finding out why its in the state that its in on your own instead of using Somalia as a talking point to prove French crimes arent a factor.>Face it, nigs will always be nigsCant' wait until your grandchildren are brown so you can cry on your deathbed
>>6767852>"I doubt the average French dude benefits a lot from money "stolen" to Africa">lives in a country that isn't 3rd world because of Africa>thinks the average French dude isn't benefiting from exploitationIs this what a sheeple is?
>>6767814Nice cherry picking.There are also nations that are doing well and developing rapidly like Nigeria, Burkina Faso, Ethiopia, South Africa or Ghana but polfags conveniently mention only the failed states to sustain their shitty narrative.
>>6767865>keep voting for globalist shills (Macron, Hollande, Sarkozy...etc) rather than for people who are firmly against military interventions in foreign countries (Lepen).It is deeper than that. It isn't just about military intervention. Its economic policies. No French politician will EVER stray from the current path. Its a prerequisite to even get to that point in politics. Nommater the political party or platform preached. They have always hush-hushed the fact that all follow suit when it comes to Africa. They all realize it is necesarry.
>>6767867>Frenchmen go to the cities regularly to conduct business. Its well known.LmaoMost foreign businessmen in Congo are chineseAnd they do the country more good than harm.>An entirely different set of issues more closely connected with the affairs of South Africa, UK & Portugal. Still very much related because colonialism in general though.The real issue is black people and you know it>What about it? Do you know its history? Try finding out why its in the state that its in on your own instead of using Somalia as a talking point to prove French crimes arent a factor.Somalia has always been a shithole since it got independenceMuh US intervention ain't the reason.>Cant' wait until your grandchildren are brown so you can cry on your deathbedWestern Europe becoming an utter shithole as nigs will become the main population will be the utimate proof that nigs are the problem.Hopefully it will teach other civilized countries not to let them in.
>>6767880>lives in a country that isn't 3rd world because of AfricaIs this bait?France had cars, vaccination and photography in the 1870s, before the colonization of Africa even started.And Africa is definitly the reason why France is slowly turning third-world.
>>6767883>There are also nations that are doing well and developing rapidly like Nigeria, Burkina Faso, Ethiopia, South Africa or GhanaYou can't be serious...Burkina Faso is a fucking shithole, that saw an entire village getting wiped out for tribal issues a week ago.Ethopia is poor and ridden by starvation.Nigeria is a terrorism-infested, hellhole.And South Africa was doing well recently thank to white, but situation keeps getting worse an,d worse.
>>6767883This is good
>>6767924This is bad
>>6767924Wait, why are Mali and Niger doing better than Anglo, Sudan, Mozambique, Namibia...etc?I thought the evil frenchman was keeping them down?
>>6767893>Most foreign businessmen are chineseOhh okay. So that means French businessmen don't operate there anymore right?....right??>And they do the country more good than harmChild labor, getting caught stealing excess resources, not hiring locals and imposing the chinese language...sure. very helpful. Its obvious you don't know much about the subject. It shows>The real issue is black people and you know itMaybe if you're immersed in whititude one would think that>Somalia has always been a shithole since it got independenceHave you been to Somalia? Some places are quite nice.>Muh US intervention ain't the reason. Yes. It is part. The worlds shipping lanes stealing Somali ports and fishing waters is the reason. Traditional Somali industries cant operate. That and radical islamization coupled with unnatural post-colonial administrations/borders.>Western Europe becoming an utter shithole as nigs will become the main populationIt doesn't have to be that way>will be the utimate proof that nigs are the problem.We are literally telling you how to fix the problem but instead you do not listen. You rather obsess over us and get cucked in the future than to bend. >Hopefully it will teach other civilized countries not to let them in.The only thing the world will learn is that the west was the most monstrous era of human history. Bringing death to a scale never seen before. And that their own vices did them in
>>6767907This --> they said it themselves >>6767631
>>6767915>White bread the postThats some nice tunnel vision ya got there
>>6767991It was just Chirac being overly dramatic to sell his shit.Without its involvement in Africa, France's relevance would decrease, but it would simply make France Italy/Germany-tier, not "third world".
>>6767936Its called ECOWAS
>>6767936>>6768016Everytime you see an inconsinstency. Maybe you should do research and find out for yourself why that might be...instead of you know...assuming incorrectly
>>6768015500 billion per year isn't "being overly dramatic". He was being dead fucking serious. And he wasn't the only one to say so. Cope as much as you want clown but France needs Africa. Unless it finds another outlet or just gives up it has no choice but to keep accepting migrants to stay relevant.
>>6767631>>6767991>denounces Françafrique>but somehow believes in the lies spouted by pro-Françafrique politicians to keep it goingVery high IQ there
As a Slav from the Balkans let me just say one thing - thank God the Habsburgs never involved themselves in this ridiculous colonialism shit, and thank God Slavs as a whole have not. Because in the end it seems it brings nothing but trouble. At what point do you cut your losses, say "Yup, this is shit, I'm gonna take a backseat for a while" in geopolitical terms. Imagine France with no blacks, arabs and other shit. So what if it won't be as powerful, if peace rules within the country and people just go about their daily lives? It always seems to me these politicians put the cart before the horse. Fuck global influence and prestige, a serene country with people who just live their lives is superior to that.
>>6766478>the French would have to use readily available alternatives to energy generation. Sure there will be investment costs but the resources from Africa (and Africa itself for that matter) is not that important. Having good trade relations with such an economy is nice to have, not a must have.
>>6765024It's a law of nature that the low races be dominated by the higher races for their mutual benefit. Colonialism is 100% good.
>>6766847Wow, then the French people are not at fault. Nice to hear that from you as well, my Nigganon
>>6768192>Imagine France with no blacks, arabs and other shitWould be real great.But then again Sweden had no colonies and look at them now
>>6766252Do they have reliable internet at home? Or is it more posting from internet cafes? I kind of wonder what life looks like for fellow anons that happened to be born in west Africa
>>6766760>These guys don't care, they'll do business with anyone, they all take bribes anyway.This goes both ways, there was a French cement factory in Syria that even paid bribes to IS to prevent attacks on their site. It was a big scandal because it might have financed IS operations in France itself.
How true is this statement /his/?>1948-1991 Britain and US supporting Apartheid in order to gain access to diamonds and gold of South Africa. Following apartheid, they helped install a neoliberal economic regime that ensured SA could not raise wages and had to accept US agricultural dumping.>1960- 1993 France helped keep Houphouet-Boigny, who in turn helped with coups against Nkumrah and Sankara, in power for 30 years in Cote d’Ivoire.>1961: Pan-Africanist Patrice Lumumbu, Congo’s first independence leader, in office two months before being assassinated with help from Belgium and US on direct orders of Eisenhower.>1965-1997 The US installed Mobutu as President, and Congo/Zaire’s poverty levels rocketed.>1966: Ghanaian president Nkrumah promoted policies were simple keynesian economics, the same that had allowed Europe and the US to recover and build a strong social safety net after WW2. He was forced out in a US backed coup.>1967-2009 France supported Bongo’s 40 year dictatorship in Gabon, guaranteeing France access to the country’s resources.>1971: Britain and Israel took down Obote in Uganda. Obote wanted to nationalise the colonial British banks, The Uk wanted to retain it’s ability to extract wealth even after “independence”.>1972: Portugal assist in assassination of liberation leader Cabral in Guinea Bissau and Cape Verde>1975 Angola finally gains independence from Portugal. After independence, US, British, French and Portugal get involved in the civil war which last till 2002.>1987 Thomas Sankara, President of Burkina Faso who advocated for pan-African unity and called attention to the crippling loans of the IMF, which were forcing the Global South to remain poor, is assassinated with French help.
>>6767333Say what you want but neolithic mudhuts are /comfy/Fuck whitey for forcing us into modernity.Damn, I wish I was collecting ants for breakfast with my fellow tribesmen, rather than eating fried chicken while posting on this white website with this white-invented computer....
>>6768313All leftypol propaganda1. South africa was rich under the white rule. It was the nigger who braught crime and poverty.2.So what?3. Lumumbu was a communist4. Poverty didnt skyrocketed. It was always high5. Nukrumah wasnt a keynsian, he was a communist.6. France didnt get the resources for free. They paid market reates for them7. That was 50 years ago8. Theat was 50 years ago9. So what?10. IMF helps the 3rd world with low intrest lowns. You want them to give money for free?
I like how the afrocentrists in this topic are not using any argument but just some stale lefty memes to justify their position and when that position is heavily under attack by unfair white privilege questions like>using your own logic it doesn't make sense what you statedHe immediately gets very emotional and starts writing blog posts that no one responds to or claims that people using his logic are retarded, lol.E.g.>>6766550
>>6768130I'm still really interested to how these African anons live and in what kind of machines they are posting
Are you people actually, seriously, honestly thinking that France would collapse without Africa? It would lose its influence, and might have to buy some raw materials elsewhere, and would be a rich little country less centered on diplomacy and war, you know, like Italy or South Korea, both with very comparable population and economy sizes. I don't think you understand what 3rd world means on this website. It doesn't mean poor, it means not aligned with the West nor the Communists, it's an outdated term. To that silly anon who said France would go "Greece-tier", if you live outside of Europe "Greece-tier" is already an improvement.The relations as of now are clearly toxic but France is only to blame in supporting "stability" i.e. corrupt government, colonial borders, but the shitty general organization and standard of living is more to blame on the lack of education and willpower of the African peoples. Look at fucking South Korea. It was poorer than a lot of African countries in the 1960s, was under massive foreign influence, threatened by big competitive neighbors, and it got its shit together. France is very likely to send its army if a friendly dictator was threatened, but keeping the same artificial borders and degrading the infrastructure for 60 years and blame big bad whitey for it is just comical.
>>6768419tHeY HavE LiteRalLy No c0mPUteRs nO PhOnES aNd nO tOiLeTs In aFriCa
>>6768572t. never been there
>>6765024Who cares about some things that happened more than 20 years ago? France stopped Mali from becoming a mini-ISIS recently. Whoever pretends to care for these poor africans is probably a brit who couldn't survive without commonwealth money or an american that's at war for oil money since 30 years ago. At least when someone threatens our neocolonial empire, we send in the army unlike the chinese who fled from Mali as soon as there was an insurgency.
>>6765462>Muh big unions when the European union is fraying at the seams and faces less problems of diverse factionalism than an pan-African state
>>6768313This looks 100% true when I glance over it. Need to double check it though. >>67683821. White South Africans had some of the highest living standards in the world at the time but the black population (~80% of the country's population) had very limited opportunities and many lived in miserably poor townships with no opportunities. 3. Lumumba was a pan-African nationalist. The accusations that he was a communist came from the US and Belgium. According to the evidence, he wasn't particularly communist but tried to get Soviet support when the US and UN refused to sell him arms to put down a Belgian-funded rebellion.4. This is utter bullshit. The RDC was never a rich country but Mobutu was probably one of the most corrupt leaders in modern history. 5. He was a nationalist and socialist, though he had some Keynesian policies. 6. When a country controls another country, they don't have to pay a decent price for goods from that country. You don't know economics.7 and 8. Just because it's 50 years ago doesn't mean it's irrelevant. You're just handwaving it away because you don't like it. 9. Are you literally suggesting that foreign involvement in the civil war of an ex-colony isn't something to be wary of?10. That's a strawman and you know it.
>>6768419Not any of these guys or even african but I've been around Uganda and Rwanada. Basically everyone has a mobile phone that lets them do fairly modern things such as check prices for things, send money, get paid, shit post, etc... I also saw plenty of smart phones
>>6768217Don't complain when you get genocided. That's a law of nature according to you.
>>6768581If I based my assumptions on the shittiest things I've seen on the internet, I'd believe all Americans are forest rapists like in DeliveranceMost migrants in Europe have smartphones and blue jeans, and they didn't buy them after they got here. Most of the African anons I've talked to on 4chan know this website because they're rich kids with enough time and education to find out about such a place. Phone coverage in West Africa is actually pretty decent, and in the same way that they drive our used car and wear our used clothes, common people in poor(ish) urban areas of Africa buy used computers and fix them long after they should be discarded to re-use them. It's not because there are places with alligator-eating cousin-fuckers that all of the US is like that. It's not because there are vagina-sewing mudcake-eaters in Nigeria that the whole country is like that.
>>6767907Paris has always had shithole neighborhoods.
>>6768655This. Africa is a huge continent with modern areas and third world areas. The news just doesn't show the modern areas often because it conflicts with their narrative.
>>6767907We had literal slum cities during industrialisation what the shit are you talking about.
>>6765495wouldn't nigeria completely dominate this with their massive population?
>>6768656That is indeed somewhat true, until the 1860sThen Napoleon III had it fixed with massive public works and social reforms, and Paris became a safe and magnificent city renowned in the entire world, until immigration shat up everything again in the late 1980s.When Japs visit Paris, it's for the reputation it has acquired between 1870 and 1980. They hope to see the safe, beautiful and romantic city of this era.And that's why they're so shocked when they see the violent African shithole it has become.
>>6768678>during industrialisationFuck off retard.Paris had very short-spawned "slums" (inhabited by white French refugees) during each world war, as northern cities (mostly Lille) were destroyed.But as soon as the wars ended, population went back to their city and rebuilt them.It's only in the 90s that actual slums (inhabited by arabs, gypsies and blacks) appeared.And these ones aren't temporary, they've been constantly increasing for the last three decades.
>>6768773Here's a slum in Paris in the 50s retard. Look up the history of La Zone : huge slum that surrounded Paris at the beginning of the 20th century. That's where the word "zonard" comes from. That's also where all the "apache" criminality took place. But you don't know either of those words because you don't actually know shit about the history of Paris.
>>6767915Shit, I didn't want to say Burkina Faso but Rwanda. For the rest you're only taking the shitty parts. With Nigeria and Ethiopia current level of development people's quality of life will get a lot better with time.
>>6765024>>6765045>I watched a youtube video once, I understand african geopolitics now
>>6768130>so autistic can't determine the truth because the opposition agrees with the conclusionWhere the fuck do they find you airheads?
>>6768192Based Slav is based
>>6768265Sweden has colonialist Europeans to blame for that. Bless them they are just trying to be good people in a rough world
>>6768743It had slums until the 60s-70s. Then they came back in the 90s
>>6768343Hows the air condotioning treating you?
>>6768641Same old bullshit. Telling Africans what will and will not work for them.
Why can't people understand that just because Europe had and still has horrible shit going on inside it that isn't mutually exclusive from Europe and Europeans being colonialist and imperialist? The soldiers in WW1 went through sheer hell, but they were still imperialist. You can't say "oh yeah, Austro-Hungary was imperialist and Serbs went through shit during WW1? WELL TRY BEING AN AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN DURING THE CARPATHEAN MOUNTAIN CAMPAIGN!" The suffering of the individual soldiers doesn't change the fact the Austro-Hungarians were being imperialist just like the fact many europeans suffer changes the fact Europe is imperialist and colonialist.
>>6768850Hahahahahha fucking gross
>>6768956Apparently better than most /pol/tards here
>>6768850Dunno for you, but I'll take this La Zone thing full of civilized white French war refugees from Lille over the curent camping tent slums full of violent, disease-ridden trash-flinging sub-saharans we currently have.
>>6768927>Shit, I didn't want to say Burkina Faso but Rwanda.The country in which nigs machete-genocided each others over height differences?Nice pick indeed....
>>6769154>civilized white French war refugees
>>6769166Europeans were no better with their first big conflicts during pre-roman and roman times. And let's not talk about the nonsense religious wars againist eresies that happened later.
>>6765122Bullshit. France's GDP is higher than that of all Africa combined. The money France could make from this is literally peanuts. But France let in millions of nigs who cost billions every year and murder ethnic French people on a daily basis
>>6768850These places were mostly inhabited by Italian, Spanish and Portugese immigrants
>What do you mean, I can't launch multiple simultaneous coups in all the Christian African states and unite them? Why not?
>>6769166Rwanda has improved a lot.
>>6769489>But France let in millions of nigs who cost billions every year and murder ethnic French people on a daily basisThe number if blacks in France isn't that big.
>>6769065No they colonized Finland. Almost wiped out Finnish culture and language if they stayed longer.
>>6769722Ok fuck them then
>>6768603>France stopped Mali from becoming a mini-ISIS recently.Because Libya collapsed. Interesting thing about Africa was that the war on terror actually made terrorism more prolific. Most parts of Africa never had Islamic terrorism until pretty recently.
>>6768489>It was poorer than a lot of African countries in the 1960s, was under massive foreign influence, threatened by big competitive neighbors, and it got its shit together.Brah south Korea was better educated and trained then pretty much all of Africa, Japanese education was much better then the ones in the African colonies. Received massive help from Sam and Tojo and is located in a very focal point in Asia to garner American support. People always ignore the political context of both places.
>>6768489>keeping the same artificial borders and degrading the infrastructure for 60 years and blame big bad whitey for it is just comical.Look at Buafra anon. Fucking Eritrea had to fight a multi decade war to get independence and received no help at all from the start if Ethiopia breaking the federation. Somalian has no recognition and western Sahara is somewhat similar.Infrastructure is expensive as fuck with prices being inflated past credible numbers and many construction companies constantly delay or stretch out construction.
>>6769771Education was extremely different. Yes the Japanese had an assimilationist policy that grew stronger but they had public education at the start! Kenya didn't at all and the educational system in colonial Kenya was a mess. Missionaries getting assfucked by the colony forcing class material change to gimp African labourers (delaying English education way to far back for example), mission schools being too religious, secondary schools being extremely limited in number, no public primary educaton, segregated schools with severe quality disparities.Japanese waneed an educated Korean citizenry to make a Japanese Korea economy work in then modern economy that can stand for itself . For Japan of course, a lot Of stuff did favour Japanese settlers in Korea but at least they laid the groundworks for Korean education to work off of in the future years. Kenya they wanted a massive pool of unskilled, uneducated of African labourers are ruled and dominated by Europeans and Indians on the cheap with absolutely jackshit ways to really compete with those 2 groups.
>>6769710They're like 4 millions, and most of them survive on gibs.Let's say the gibs amount to 1000 euros each month, and you easily have several billions spend on gibs each year (and that's without counting the free health care and the cost of their crimes).
>>6769771>Japanese education was much better then the ones in the African coloniesThen again it's easier to educate Koreans than Africans....
>>6770117What about the police force and the penentiary system whose size doubled in the last 30 years
>>6767852>A massive part of taxpayers money in France is used to fund immigrationHow much? 0.6% of state budget?>Combine that with the fact big companies owners evade taxes all the timesEven if so, they still provide employment.
>>6770239>Even if so, they still provide employment.Yeah, outside of France
>>6770247Can you back up your statement with facts?
>>6765024Very cute compared to the all mighty dollars.
>French people are not to blameYEAH RIGHT *sarcasm* The French people could protest it in exchange for their economy being weaker and them having lower wages, but no, they rather be silent and profit off of Africa Thankfully China is saving the day
>>6765024You're worrying about what happened in the past, all the while China is about to make the entire african continent it's bitch.Instead of complaining about what happened, lets worry about the problems at hand, yeah?
>>6770130Not really. Education of the natives would mean that the occupational niches and status of Europeans (And middle men groups) would be rendered null therefore directly or indirectly colonies devised ways to make the education gap split further apart over time. This site is an amazing source if you are interestedhttps://sites.google.com/site/colonyofkenyaeducation/home/education>Nabwea (2009) writes about how colonial administrators limited Africans’ access to the English language to ensure they remained low cadre employees and qualified for no jobs higher than wage labourers. Independent schools started teaching English a grade earlier than mission schools as many Africans believed that lack of knowledge of English had been used to keep Africans in subordinate positions. Many parents were now sending their children to independent schools instead of mission schools. In response, the Church of Scotland Mission (CSM) stated “we have suffered irreparable damage by the policy adopted [by the government] forcing us to stop English and allowing the independent schools to do it” (Adebola, 1981, p. 56).
>>6768572>bleeding heart liberalpostingI never said they didn't have computers or phones now did I?I am really interested in how west afriposters live since we all have in common that we are posting on a Cambodian dice game forum and I have no idea how they would describe it themselves.
>>6768650Thanks, I really like the idea of some autistic African shitposter on a phone at home. I can relate with people through shitposting together
>>6770988It's really not that hard to envision.
>>6768655>Phone coverage in West Africa is actually pretty decentBased Bouygues
>>6769150>Europe was imperialist and colonialist.FTFY
>>6769787>Infrastructure is expensive as fuck with prices being inflated past credible numbers and many construction companies constantly delay or stretch out construction.>Blaming construction companies for being big tier organized in nig countryLol, guess Africa is still doomed
>>6770764>Thankfully China is saving the dayNow we see the shill for what it truly is.
>>6771003I really hope for the best for you in the future, but I'm sad that you're going to be bitter and angry and all your efforts will turn out to be in vain.