Why were Christian colonizers so evil? Did "thou shalt not kill" only applied to white people?
>>6764303Christian in name only
>>6764424>It wasn't real Christianity!Like clockwork
>>6764303>liberate amerindians from the yoke of aztecs>assimilate indigenous peoples into their culture>safeguard the rights of indigenous peoplesWhy were the spanish/portuguese colonizers so based?
>>6764303>>6764427Belgian Congo was a privately owned rubber farm by a godless 19th century European Monarch. When info leaked about the atrocities going on the people most appalled were Christians.Blaming Christianity for the Congo Free State is like blaming the Mongol Conquest on Tengri.
>>6764303https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_doctrineThe vatican didn't consider no nchristians as human so they get free reign to every major power to do whatever the fuck they wanted
>>6764447>Talk about vatican>Put a doctrine from the United StatesAre you retarded?
>>6764435Spain actually took the white man's burden seriously. A*glos were far more brutal in their methods. They were so jealous of the job we did that they had to try to smear us with La Leyenda Negra.
>>6764435> portuguese> safeguard the rights of indigenous peoplesnah, Portugal had nothing like the Leyes de Indias
>>6764438>When info leaked about the atrocities going on the people most appalled were Christians.How predictable, the christcucks want to save savage niggers that would eat them alive without a second thought.FACT: King Leo did literally nothing wrongFACT: King Leo's hand policy cut the crime rate in half
>>6764509Any excuse will do
>>6764303>Why were Christian colonizers so evil?This is a very simple question. When the scramble for africa happened, "religious" policies have pretty much go away from the european goverments. Everything they did was because of "nationalism" the moneys and secularist values.
>>6764303itt: oh boo hoo my nigger ancestors that i don't know or even care aboutblahblahblahblahblah
>>6764303>stares at foot and handTop fucking kek. Is this image trying to imply that the uncivilized world was in no way brutal to its own kind?I can assure you that a lot of what the civilized world did to the uncivilized world was usually done to match the uncivilized world as a language barrier prevented anything but savagry between different peoples
>>6764303rest assured a lot of mental gymnastics related to theology was involved. Christianity is one of the religions that's outright against slavery, that's why most of the abolitionists were Christians
>>6765004...it was a 5 year old child...
>>6764303It only applies to people, obviously.
>>6764435Catholicism. This again reestablishes the illegitimacy of protestantism
>>6765011And thats awful. However, dont let one 5 year old butchered by some asshole from the civilized world mean that they themselves have never slaughtered children.
>>6764509Well I mean you can only steal half as much with one hand...
>>6764303all minorities are NPCs
>>6765139Why was this posted
>>6764303they sure didn't like it when the Nazis applied Colonial rule of law to Europeans, didn't they?
>>6764303The Christian empires were relatively humane and were responsible for ending feudalism and slavery world wide, often against the wishes of brown tyrants at the time. The reason you see them as particularly evil is ironically due to Christian self-deprecation, which you misinterpret as evidence of Christian malice.
>>6765152You can see where Mao lost power lol
>>6765152That Japan GDP...that’s a miracle.
>>6765162H o n o r a r y
>>6765152>possibly the most brutal people in history since the Crusades & Inquisition then Colonialism & Transatlantic Slave Trade. Then decide to end slavery but proceed to colonize even more. Under the guise of ending slavery. But they disenfranchizing the people to their own gain instead of teaching them that it was because they were slavers. European Christianity is weak trash.
>>6764467>A*glos were far more brutal in their methodsFunny
>>6764964Neither group are my ancestors, but Euros were more savage than the people they called savages. It just sounds like a sick joke when they boast about their superior civilization and enlightening the natives.
>>6764303>Why were Christian colonizers so evil?They're mostly Protestants.
>>6764303>Why were Christian colonizers so evil? Did "thou shalt not kill" only applied to white people?Yes, they told themselves that people with a brown skin color were punished by God.
>>6765249Based mormons. Only religious group in the world to have positive eugenic selection for intelligence.
>>6765243>Neither group are my ancestors, but Euros were more savage than the people they called savages.Europeans conquered the planet and competed against those other groups they didn't directly administer (e.g. Japan). Everyone has a bias towards claiming Europeans harmed the development of their civilisation as it justifies nonwhite privilege today, like foreign aid or affirmative action.
>>6765249>what is the entirety of south America?maybe stop being an autistic catholic for five seconds and read a book
implying it wasnt allied niggers cuting the hands of the other niggers
Is there any proof that Leopold made this cut hand law? It's seems to me that a nig with both hands would work better, cutting hands it's counterproductiveHonestly it feels as anglo propaganda to hide the boer wars
>>6764303The atrocities committed in the Congo Free State were perpetrated by Congolese natives against other natives.
>>6765228>Euro Christianity Conquered the world with colonialism.>European Christianity is weak trash.Choose one.
>>6765228Imagine thinking that responsibility for the slave trade begins only from the moment the slaves are placed on a ship.
>>6765026So I guess that it's okay for someone to come into your house, kill you and rape your family. After all, people in our society do that all the time!
>>6765243Brutal, practical or unforgiving is not the same as savage. You see there are rules, if you break them you are dealt with as is customary, but you can be sure that if you don't, no harm will come to you. This is what we refer to as order and is the opposite of savagery.
>>6765684I don't think that is what was meant. I think the point is that this would have been a normal circumstance for someone in that area in that era independently of the presence of the colonialists and that you should not judge all Europeans because of what went on in the Congo, just like you can't judge all black people like they are black Americans.
this it's like blaming queen Elizabeth for necklacing
>>6765228>lowest iq post ITT
>>6764435>liberate amerindians from the yoke of aztecsThe Aztec, like most Mesoamerican polities didn't even govern the cities they ruled over, they were far less oppressive then the vast majoriity of eurasian empires. As long as you provided annual taxes/tribute of stuff like cacao, cloth, cotton, gold, silver, precious stones, specific produced goods like clothing, pottery, baskets, military equipment, etc, alongside just helping on military camkpaigns and a few other minor stuff, you were left alone and kept your own rulers, laws, customs, etc. The idea that the Aztec were this oppressive tyranical imperial state which enslaved the people it conquered or raided them to sacririce them is a meme. They were warmongers, and huge on military expansions, and mass sacrificed enemy soldiers they captured in the battles of those wars, but the actual cities they conquered, civillian populations, infanstructure, etc were mostly left alone. Also the Aztec were hardly the only complex state in the region. FOrmal goverments go back like 2000 years before the Aztec and proto-states, urbanism, monumental archtecture, etc go back almost another 1000. THe Aztec empire conquered huge swaths of the region, yes, but there were still dozens of others, most notably the Purepecha Empire, the Republic of Tlaxcala, the Mixtec kingdom of Tutuepec, the City-state of Cholula, etc. And then down in soth america there was an entire seperate cradle of civilization the Inca basically totally conquered, but prior to total Inca domination there were tpons of other city-states, empires, and kingdoms too.
why white people are so fragile? every time they are called for their crimes, they proceed to claim how it was for the greater good and both parties benefited at the end.
>>6765817>t. the schizoAll those natives that joined the spaniards were just a prank
>>6765861>t. the schizoLitterally all of what I just said is well attested by virtually every source we have. The fact the Aztec empire operated on an indirect tributary model is as basic and foundational a piece of info that the United States is a constitutional republic. We fucking have surviving tribute rolls, see pic related>All those natives that joined the spaniards were just a prankNo, of course not, but there are other reasons.Because Mesoamerican states operated on systems of indirect rule, such as tributary models, politicial marriage, installing ruler (Aztec largerly avoided this one), appealing geneolocial links to prior civilizations, the implied threat of miloitary rule, prestiege/benefits of connected to them and their trade network, etc; even cities a part of a larger empire viewed themselves as discrete political entities, and really sort of were. This resulted in tons of political scheming with subserivent cities turning on their captials when they could get away with it, switching allegiences when a new powerful polity popped up, trying to see what they could get away with when rulers of their controlling state died, etc.The ONLY state that particpated in the siege on the Aztec captial that joined prior to the death of Montezuma and the outbreak of smallpox in the aztec captial was Tlaxcala; which was in the process of being conquered, so no shit it joined. The rest that particpated in the siege: Texcoco, Huextozinco, Itzpalapa, Xochimilco, Chalco, Mixquic, etc only joined after those things happened and the captial was vulnerableI talk more about the nature of mesoamerican politics and this indirect rule model here for like 7 posts worth of text: https://pastebin.com/h18M28BR
>>6765891whoops forgot image
>>6765828why black people are so fragile? every time they are called for their crimes, they proceed to claim how it was beacuse of whitey
>>6765896they are npcs with no agency and inner thought
>>6765828>White people always try to justify their ancestors actions by pointing a positive outcomeTbh it'd be very practical to be like the Turks or Mongols or whatever and just not give a fuck but being high trust/low corruption etc. also makes us cucks. I like to think of it being like sacrificing certain character traits for others when making a D&D persona.
>>6765858>Europeans have always been the minority of the worlds populationNo that is so untrue. Africa was always infamous for having extremely low populations. There was more people living in Northern Africa (most in Egypt) then the entire continent sans NA combined.
>>6765817>they were far less oppressive then the vast majoriity of eurasian empires>as long as you pay taxes, provide tribute, contribute militarily etc. you were left aloneExcuse the paraphrasing, but isn't that kind of how most empires (including eurasian ones) usually work?
>>6766075"Empire" in the eurasian context typicallyt implies actual imperialism, IE political, administrative, and cultural subjugation and directly control
>>6765858>Blacks have the largest populationThis is all recent.
>>6764438>most appalled were Christians.And the rest couldn't read.
>>6766379>illiterate Europeans were not Christian???
>>6764509It's the same as firing an unproductive workerHe's useless, so just get rid of him
>>6765151Nazis didn't like it when rule of law was applied to them.
>>6765237>castrated the males at prepubescent agesSome. By no means all.
>>6765647On the payroll of Leopold. It doesn't matter their race.
>>6765858>Jews constantly trying destroy our raceMost Jews are European, you retard
>>6765237they only castrated house servants, most were used for labor
>>6766459You Europeans are no longer white, Ahmed
>>6764303>black people are warriors!Kek
>>6766563thus said the 56%(includes arabs and hispanics) mutt
>>6766459in skin not in soul
>>6765817>They were warmongers, and huge on military expansions, and mass sacrificed enemy soldiers they captured in the battles of those wars, but the actual cities they conquered, civillian populations, infanstructure, etc were mostly left alone. How very progressive and non-oppressive of them.
>>6766578Arabs are less than 1% in population here and spics are getting deported as we speak. God bless Trump, God bless America!
>>6766440>death is the same as a few dollars So this is your brain on zoy
>>6766626Ilegal immigration is higher than ever under Trump. America is the least white it has ever been in the recent years.
>>6766626sure thing MIGA nigger as sure as the wall(rebuilt fence) is
>>6765607As an actual Mexican i'm glad the Conquistadors came and wiped out the Aztecs. Imagine feeling sorry for a 'civilization' that routinely sacrificed 10,000 people in any given day for a sun god. It's always white liberals or neo-pagan Mexicans that feel sympathy for the Aztecs. Fuck you, you don't know what you're talking about.
>>6766933Black people who aren’t successful as well because fuck whitey and everything whitey did.
>>6766933Please read stuff before you spout bullshit.
>>6769586You think i'm ignorant of Conquistadors doing bad things? Sure they've done bad things but they were military men in a completely foreign and hostile land. Might've they done some force conversions too? Maybe, as I've actually read. But none of the things they did even remotely equates to what the Aztecs were doing and would continue to do with or without their arrival. And don't give actual bullshit about Conquistadors maliciously spreading diseases when germ theory wasn't even a thing until centuries later. But go and feel bad about the Aztecs because they built pretty temples and cities.
>>6765684>one guy kills then rapes my familySo now that guy and "his people" are the founders and keepers of murder and rape and history should depict "my people" as eternally victims of murder and rape from "his people"?
>>6764438Nice revisionism except for the fact that Leo sent christian missionaries to evangelize the congo at the same time.
>>6765891based mesoamerican poster, I always look forward to your postsHow long did mesoamerican civs practice human sacrifice, and more importantly, how long did they compared to most non-african civilizations of similar size/development?
>>6764509now this is based
>>6766626>hahahah Trump will save the white race eurocucks BTFO haha- OH NO WHAT ARE YOU DOING DONALD WHY ARE YOU SENDING BILLIONS TO ISRAEL AND CURTAILING GUN RIGHTS AND WANTING LEGAL IMMIGRATION IN THE LARGEST NUMBERS EVER THIS ISN'T WHAT YOU PROMISED AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Morality is often tossed aside by some people when wealth and power is involved. Sometimes even the most moral people can turn into fucking savages at the chance to get either.
This thread>kkkristians are literally hitler for killing blacksOr>cucktians are basedboys for defending niggersMake up your fucking mind for once, /his/
>>6773111>/his/ is a single entity that has only one opinion
>>6773111Odds are they're foreign shitposters.
>>6764509Except the hand chopping was in response to parents not meeting their rubber quota, or for using unapproved methods in harvesting same.
>>6771607How stupid do you have to be to enslave a heathen people and then specifically introduce that slave race to Christianity?Why the fuck would you do that?
>>6764303Missionaries did generally try to protect natives from other colonizers.
Reminder that Europeans are the reason there are so many Africans. If they hadn't brought Africans modern medicine and agriculture the population of Africa would be a tenth of what it is now.>>6765858>using Lynn's stats IQ is pseudoscience.
>>6765891The Aztecs kept rival polities alive because the constant warfare provided opportunity for capturing slaves and sacrifice.Tlaxcala "was in the process of being conquered" for like a century. The flower wars were a forever war and the wanton killing and enslavement were benefits to the aztecs. They brought it on themselves.
>>6771887>some more brown and yellow people are living in America than before wow such a disaster
>>6774521Lynn's stats are cooked, but IQ studies are more solid than you know.
>>6774529meant to post this
>>6774468Missionaries were deeply part of the system.
>>6774522Did you not even read his post?
>>6774542I've read both posts.>The idea that the Aztec were this oppressive tyranical imperial state which enslaved the people it conquered or raided them to sacririce them is a meme. They were warmongers, and huge on military expansions, and mass sacrificed enemy soldiers they captured in the battles of those wars, but the actual cities they conquered, civillian populations, infanstructure, etc were mostly left alone.>they were far less oppressive then the vast majoriity of eurasian empires."They weren't tyrannical opressors because they didn't directly manage the people they constantly terrorized" is a bad argument. It misses the point of why people who dislike the Aztecs do so.>>6774539Natives slavers were part of the system too. The missionaries did more for the sake of the opressed than those natives did.
>>6764303Thou shalt not kill didn't even apply to the people of the bible. Thou shalt not murder is a more appropriate interpretation. Fighting in war doesn't make you a murderer, for example
>>6771887How do US blacks have such stable population shares? Variation is under 1%.
>>6774728Descendants of Macrobians>"Their name is due to their legendarylongevity, an average person supposedly living to the age of 120. They were said to be the"tallest and handsomest of all men".
>>6774572>The missionaries did more for the sake of the opressed than those natives did.Anon the Catholics were in on the CFS. Protestants got mad that People favoured the Catholics over them. You COMPLETELY miss the point anon. How do you not get it?
>>6774763I mean Leopold favoured Catholics over them. That's why Congo speaks French over Dutch.
>>6765160Mao never lost power. He died in 76, and his successor didn't get ousted til 78
>>6774768If Both sects were favored or Protestants won nothing would change.
>>6765828Because unlike all the other heretical fucks on this planet we actually have a concept of morality and holding ourselves to a higher standard.
>>6774746Macrobia was located on the Eastern fringe of Africa, in the Horn.
>>6774763Oh, we're talking about the CFS specifically?Missionaries were some of the earliest protesters against the Leopold regime. They were fulcral to getting out info on what was happenening there.
>>6776131>TallestMacrobians were Nilotes
>>6764427Also note that the bible isnt literal and even if its ugly nasty stuff they will say no no not that bible this bible
>>6764467Spanish arent white fyi
>>6771887Specifically he betrayed them badly on the economic front. Expanding H1B he promised to end there will be no jobs for Zoomers this is all of course to force them on a federal basic income in 4 or 8 years.
>>6777071Missionaries were the first to speak up about his atrocities
>>6777777sextuplets of truth!
>>6777071>>6777794Protestant ones, because they were ignored compared to Catholics, see the earlier posts.
410,757,864,530 DEAD BANTUS
>>6764435>safeguard the rights of indigenous peopleOkay retard.
>>6765008But it's not.“If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.” (Exodus 21:20-21)“5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men,8 because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free”(Ephesians 6:5-9).
>>6764303>>6764427>>6777755>>6764509>>6764519Where is it written in the bible that a Christian should cut off the hand of a 5 year old child? You might be thinking of the quran.mohammad fucked children and ordered limbs and heads to be cut off.>>6765138You're living in it asshole.Why don't you fuck off to Sentinel island or to some abbo shithole village in Straya?You know that in order for you to have a PC, tablet, or smartphone, thousands of children had to die in the Congo (read about Coltan and how it fueled a brutal war for control of the mines by the locals).
>>6781143How many Christian Saints owned slaves?Just post the number.
>>6765026You know all the hand-cutting and killing was done by congolese militia
>>6766452Yet whole this thread is blaming whites
>>6771607Yes, and it were solely (protestant) missionaries who reported the atrocities to european press
> aww why are people mean when they're trying to be not meangrow up anon
>>6765152>ending feudalism and slavery world wide
>>6764435no fuck thatthey half assed the evangelism and the teachings>assimilate indigenous peoples into their cultureit only made it worselook at how spics and pinoys treat christianity nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5lojNLUOschttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai21Dqm5jZI
>>6765723>If you make rules that condone savagery, it's no longer savage to do itSo this is the power of Western civilization... wow...
>>6773111Both are correct. Christians have been unspeakably cruel to the various races of the world, yet they don't even have the compassion to put them out of their misery. It's like they wish to keep alive these races just to torture them out of pure sadism. All of the cruelty of racism, without the release of genocide.Christians are truly the most depraved beasts on the planet.
>>6782601>Christians are truly the most depraved beasts on the planet.t. hasn't seen africans eat shit directly from a cow's anus before
>>6782608Africa is 40% Christian and 45% Muslim, so odds are that shit-eating African is part of your Jewish heresy or another closely related jewish heresy.
>>6782622Yeah but white people don't eat shit from cow ass
>>6782625Yeah, Western Europeans only ruined every single continent and forced their shit culture on every group to inhabit Earth. At least Africans don't force other people to eat shit too, so they are arguably better.
>>6781198>You know that in order for you to have a PC, tablet, or smartphone, thousands of children had to die in the Congo >civilized world
>>6782634Yeah but africans eat cow shit and piss and can't count above 3
>>6782647Thats doesn't make his post wrong
>>6782654Yes it does>Christians are truly the most depraved beasts on the planet.
>>6782665There are more morally depraved things a person can do than drink pee and suck at math.
>>6782670What like, eating other human beings
>>6782677>literally commit genocides on every continentI'm not sure you have much of a moral highground.
>>6782683Weird how there's no pictures readily available of white cannibals
>>6782688Yet we have proof of literally dozens of genocides committed by whites.
>>6782695Still not as depraved as cannibalism
>>6782698The Holocaust isn't as depraved as cannibalism?
>>6765152But Africa is a continent
>>6782731I think killing somebody and then eating them is on another level. Yes.
>>6782739Thanks for more proof of the moral depravity of Christians.
>>6782739Worse than injecting chemicals in kids' eyes, burning people in ovens, and hacking off limbs and putting broken glass and sawdust in the wound?
>>6782748Yes I'd say killing and eating somebody is worse than just killing them.
>>6782754>industrially killing off entire groups of people is preferable to animals doing what animals do to killed prey
>>6782767>killing people is the same as killing and eating them
>>6782777Why is cannibalism necessarily more morally repugnant than killing someone? It can't be because it defiles the body; the Nazis defiled the bodies of their victims by robbing their corpses of fillings and vivisection, amongst other atrocities. It can't be because of dehumanisation either, as the Nazis did everything they could to destroy the personhood/identity of prisoners before inevitably slaughtering them. Thus, how is an organised mass-murder not more morally reprehensible than cannibalism?
>>6782748>>6782793>Worse than injecting chemicals in kids' eyes, burning people in ovens, and hacking off limbs and putting broken glass and sawdust in the wound?>the Nazis defiled the bodies of their victims by robbing their corpses of fillings and vivisection, amongst other atrocities.You do realize you've directly benefited off of those atrocities right?Since all those atrocities have yeilded large amounts of medical data that have been used to improve the field of medicine by decades.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation
>>6784213IIRC the only data that benefited us was the series of experiments on hypothermia, and that was from the Japs.
>>6766933And a "civilization" that executed people for believing in Jesus differently is much more morally righteous?
>>6784222We've directly benefited from the Nazi's willingness to test things that might work and recording the aftereffects of partial success and failures.By taking the brunt work, other countries no longer needed to test out what 'might' and suffer the repercussions.I have no doubt a lot of the useful data was hidden, after all many countries were known to have scouted Nazi scientists during and after the war.
>>6784250>more morally righteousTechnically, yes.since the Aztecs executed believers and non-believers a like, regardless of their thought crimes.
>>6784255Rocket scientists mostly. Stuff like that.The human experiments conducted by the nazis were shoddy science.
>>6784298>Rocket scientists mostly.Keep in mind we have no way in knowing if all those rocket scientists were actually rocket scientists, and not just labeled as such to the public to reduce scrutiny, except for a very minor named few of them.As if they were just gonna let all those Nazi chemists and doctors die without obtaining their data someway, the world isn't so righteous.>shoddy science.It's shoddy science now, some 75 years in the future, but back then it was all theories people had but couldn't test, for obvious reasons.
>>6774728Something I've been wondering for a while with only 13 states having an above replacement rate for African Americans and all the supposed abortions they are getting.
>>6781068Is that all? Bunch of slackers
>>6765828Sugar coating. https://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8847385/what-i-learned-from-leading-tours-about-slavery-at-a-plantation
>>6784397>Spend a small fortune and buy a bunch of long lived cattle>After a couple of generations you become the largest economy in the US>Get told "If you don't set all your cattle free we're going to kill all your leaders and install a puppet government.">Fight alongside your cattle, but still lose>Cattle now gets paid peanuts because cattle is too stupid to do anything else>Fast forward 160 years and you cattle has spread across the nation and your economy is a shadow of its former self>Without guidance they kill themselves but you're not allowed to talk about it>The cattle also has no urge to work or make anything of themselves so you're forced to pay for them and their offspring>Get told that you're a racist for not giving up more
>>6784345Brah the experiments were horribly conducted and made no sense at all! Compare this J Marion Sims who despite controversy actually got results, invented modern gynecology and is a very controversial and interesting figure. They are nothing compared to him.
>>6785252Only the rocket science was any useful.
Why dies this guy just post gore?
>>6782625The concentration camps during the 2nd boer war were unsanitary, one for normal reasons, the other us using cow dung poultices.
>>6781903Lot of catholics reported it. Protestant missionaries weren't the only ones.
>>6784345Hopefully China's death camps can provide some more medical research from their human testing before the Amerifats declare war on them.
>>6764303>>6764509it's funny cuz cutting hands off is the prescribed punishment for stealing in sharia law. the extremism of christianity is the normal for islam.
>>6784213The ends don't justify the means retard. You shouldn't drop a hydrogen bomb on an orphanage to see how many kids it evaporates.
>>6764435>liberate amerindians from the yoke of mortalityFTFY
>>6764303Ah yes, the evil colonial era where the repressed murderous urges of Christian nations that went unchecked ever since the religion becoming mainstream around 300AD, because the religious law prevented any form of military conflict, violence or ill intent. It is no wonder that after some 1300 years of enforced peace, unstable population boom and military decline, the evil Europeans unleashed their long suppressed primal urges and committed untold atrocities against the poor minorities, pardon, I mean against the innocent natives. They just couldn't help themselves to indulge in the thrill of the carnage that was staunchly denied to them by the Church. Because ever since the rule of Holy See was established, Europe saw no conflict, no atrocities, no war. Whatsoever.It's threads like these that make me wonder just how much truth is there in the jokes about American """""""""""""""education""""""""""""""".