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I have noticed that a very popular right wing channel on YouTube is falsifying history for their own agendas, they made an entire video saying that fascism is leftism, weirdly there were many fascists and communists in the comments section debunking there weak points. Pic related it name is pragru
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Real Fascism has never been tried.
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But fascism was an auth-left regime
just not as auth-left as communism
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I forgot the video link
https://youtu.be/m6bSsaVL6gA
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>>6128252
>leftism is when the goberment does stuff
This is why conservatism is a dying ideology and all the right-wing kids these days are nat.socs
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>>6128248
My argument is about the right saying it is lefty ideology, it is not about how functional the ideology is.
>>6128252
Go to Italy and Spain and tell people that Mussolini and Franco were leftists and they will laugh at you.
>authoritarian
All governments are authoritarian but on different levels
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>>6128244
all political ideologues do this and they are all equally cancerous.
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>>6128254
>who is the philosopher of fascism?
>yes exactly, you dont know
Christ I couldn't keep watching after that, it's like they haven't done ANY research on the emergence of fascism in the early 20th century.

PragerU should not be taken seriously and only treated as satire on the state of conservatism today. The only things they push out is the entire 'THE DEMOCRATS are the real RASCISTS' and 'Nazis were actually LEFTISTS because it has SOCIALISM in the name'. Now they're unironically trying to push fascism to the left. It's all boomer-tier bullshit that made me become dissassociative with conservatism.
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>>6128244
>Someone on Youtube is spewing bullshit
You don't say
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Who cares
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>>6128244
PraguerU is absolutely cancer for retards.
>national socialism is socialism because it says so in the name but not nationalist because
>spend more on Israel
>why you should die for Israel
There’s probably loads more but it’s absolute brain dead schlock.
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>>6128313
That a ""university"" channel not some random youtuber.
>>6128317
A lot of people follow them
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>>6128318
Their primary funder is a fracking industry, anyone should realize they're bought and paid to fill people's head with shit and spew it out saying a credible university said it.
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>People with borderline fascistic opinions make a video saying their enemies are actually the real fascists

Not really surprised by this at all tbqh.
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>>6128297
cringe
get a fucking life
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This is why I hate the Internet.
It is now too easy to pass off lies as information.
This shit needs to be illegal.
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>>6128244
Can someone please explain why do /pol/locks still claim Jews are their enemies? American right wing is practically little Tel Aviv at this point.
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>>6128446
/Pol/ is anti Jew right wing and support nazism and fascism they are different from American conservatives
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>>6128244
Dennis Prager is a fucking retard who should be drowned in a tub of piss.
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>>6128349
In what ways are they borderline fascistic?
>>6128390
XD epic meme my dude
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>>6128477
That's anti-Semitic.
PragerU is an Israeli supremacist channel but somehow promotes white nationalism also.
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>>6128477
He's not a retard. He's a propagandist.
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>>6128446
/pol/ hates these people more than anyone. How do you think the term cuckservative came to be?
>>6128485
>but somehow promotes white nationalism also.
What are you on about? They'd say white nationalism is left wing, or make some equally retarded statement. Though I guess they promote white nationalism unintentionally by showing their blatant Israel First agenda.
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>>6128297
Sometimes I feel bad for the Qtards, they badly want Trump to be smart and they want to feel persecuted but it's so clearly just an instance of very easily manipulated people.
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Most content on YouTube is retarded. Who cares
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>>6128248
kek'd
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>>6128481
>In what ways are they borderline fascistic?

>"Videos on PragerU have defended capitalism, argued against a $15 minimum wage, argued that gun ownership is a constitutional right, and argued that the media cannot be trusted. In one video, a presenter argues that "racism, bigotry, xenophobia, homophobia, and Islamophobia" are "meaningless buzzwords"."

>"Other PragerU videos defend the Electoral College, arguing that "pure democracies do not work" and that the Electoral College thwarts voter fraud. Still other videos argue against the scientific consensus on climate change, police discrimination toward African-Americans, and the existence of a gender pay gap.[4]"

>"In 2018, PragerU published an anti-immigration video by Michelle Malkin, a conservative known for defending the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II.[14]"
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>>6128540
So it's not just prager that has no idea what fascism is, you don't either
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>>6128466
>/Pol/ is anti Jew
lol
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>>6128540
You didn’t need to type all that shit to tell us you don’t know what fascism is, anon.
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All the people getting butthurt over this opinion piece tells me that this board is flooded with crybaby leftypol retards.

Saying something is right or left is a meaningless statement and pure opinion to boot, meant only for swaying the opinions of people incapable of thinking for themselves, who must rely purely on associational arguments to form a feeling.

Right vs. Left is so context dependent a concept that it means essentially nothing unless dropped into a single historical instant, and cannot be abstracted across multiple decades and continents.


Everybody here is arguing about Nazism, which is not fascism. Probably because most retards don't even know who Mussolini is, but know who ebil Hitler is, so any associational ad hominem argument must rely on comparison to Hitler instead of the actual Fascist regime of the time. Nazism has some socialistic policies and also nationalistic policies. Wow shocker. It's right there in the name. It is not congruent to either modern right-wing nor left-wing politics in the United States. Plus any policy can be abstracted from the party proposed or enacted it, so associational arguments are fucking retarded, and there's a reason we call ad hominem arguments logical ***FALLACIES***.

Why do I even come here? Nevermind. I know why. The fresh memes. But watching you people drool just isn't worth it anymore. Does anyone on this cesspool of a website know where quality discussion takes place on the internet?
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>>6128604
>anyone who doesn't believe my jewish lies is leftypol
lmao
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>>6128540
>hurp derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I'm a fucking retard.
Why do you people even post here? If you're just gonna slobber all over the fucking keyboard and copy paste some other retard's opinion who doesn't know what fascism is, go do it in the YouTube comment section where you belong.
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>>6128610
sorry let me edit my post
>this board is flooded with crybaby pol and leftypol retards.
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>>6128540
>libertarian policies are fascistic
you do know that fascism is characterized more for their authoritarian nature, all socialist states are closer to fascism than what prageru wants a govt to be.
>pure democracy
It also takes 30 second to see that a complete democracy is ass; its inefficient, and farcical; America's form of govt is more of a roman republic rather than a pure greek democracy.
>electoral college
what's your alternative that will represent the all the people? If you don't count the minor regions, politicians will only pander to big cities.
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>>6128632
Certainly not that fool but your concerns about what would happen if the electoral college were abandoned are already happening. There is a reason candidates always campaign in swing states and rarely, if ever, go to states that they should win regardless.
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>>6128662
Politicians don't abandon their base though, as you're implying.
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>>6128632
>America's form of govt is more of a roman republic rather than a pure greek democracy.
America's government bears no resemblance at all to the Roman Republic other than we named one of our legislative houses after the Senate.
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>>6128688
But bases already are drawn along urban v. rural lines for the most part (counties dominated by a race/ethnicity throwing it not withstanding). If anything abandoning the EC would force politicians to target friendly locations in states in which they’ve ignored before, like a Republican in eastern California. No Republican would try and completely abandon their already established base to attack Democratic strongholds when they could start to maximize their pull in areas already sympathetic to them, but have been looked over for years due to cities in their states crushing them.
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>>6128487
https://www.dennisprager.com/when-a-woman-isnt-in-the-mood-part-i/
He may be a propagandist but he's also a retard.
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>>6128244
t. seething leftoid

Finally getting called out for being the bootlicking piece of shit that you are
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>>6128244
prager u is utter cancer
t. right winger
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>>6128842
>This is a major reason many husbands clam up.
>A man whose wife frequently denies him sex will first be hurt, then sad, then angry, then quiet.
>And most men will never tell their wives why they have become quiet and distant.
>They are afraid to tell their wives.
>They are often made to feel ashamed of their male sexual nature, and they are humiliated (indeed emasculated) by feeling that they are reduced to having to beg for sex.
i can relate to this, but i feel that it is more a reflection of mentality of people like dennis and me than of general male population
i know i hate most of his videos, but i could always relate to the white knight cuck mentality he has about women, i wish i could get rid of it
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>>6128876
If you can relate to that, you're a shitty husband or man, or you married the wrong person. I'm going to go ahead and guess that you're just a pussy.
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ITT: Commies comiserating over the fact they're losing the cultural war for once
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>>6128893
>I'm going to go ahead and guess that you're just a pussy.
correct
however its not just about that, its my reaction to life situations in general
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>>6128318
>>national socialism is socialism because it says so in the name but not nationalist because
Give me arguments as to why NS is closer to capitalism than socialism. And link to the video where he said it wasn't nationalism.

>>why you should die for Israel
Link or >>>/pol/

>>6128540
>>"Videos on PragerU have defended capitalism, argued against a $15 minimum wage, argued that gun ownership is a constitutional right, and argued that the media cannot be trusted. In one video, a presenter argues that "racism, bigotry, xenophobia, homophobia, and Islamophobia" are "meaningless buzzwords"."
What's wrong with any of these claims?

>pure democracies do not work
100% true. Just look at France. A smug nation of retards who all admit their voting system is a joke that doesn't even incentivize honest voting, but defend it with teeth and claws regardless, and then claim "Democracy (PBUH) has spoken" when the elected government passes retarded bills despite nationwide shitstorms.
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>>6128333
>That a ""university"" channel not some random youtuber.
Yeah, no. It just calls itself a university, it IS just a random youtube channel. It's like Tolarian Community College, they're not actually a Community College.
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>>6128926
>Give me arguments as to why NS is closer to capitalism than socialism
How about the fact that most of their economy was in private hands?
>pure democracies do not work
>100% true.
Tell that to Athens you absolute brainlet. In b4
>HURR DEY LOST A WAR DURR
>France
Hahaha you have no clue what democracy even is.
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>>6128915
>i need manipulative propaganda filled with lies and bullshit, funded by the koch brothers, to win this "cultural war" that doesn't exist
Yup, into the gulag with you.
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>>6128948
>thinks its the RIGHT that is funded by billionaires
>reacts to any dissent with immediate death threats
Yep, you're a retard (aka a leftist) alright!
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>>6128943
>private hands
>with the government torturing all your employees to death if you don't serve them in war effort
Try again.

>Tell that to Athens you absolute brainlet.
Athen's democracy was an aristocracy you stupid tard. "Citizens" weren't average people back then.

>>HURR DEY LOST A WAR DURR
Confirmed memester. Back to >>>/pol/. Shoo.
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>>6128632
>you do know that fascism is characterized more for their authoritarian nature

That's true, which is why I said "borderline fascistic" and not *actually* fascistic.

I mean, wanting and helping capitalists to have basically all the power and decision-making in society is at minimum very authoritarian.
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>>6128958
>thinks its the RIGHT that is funded by billionaires
You must be american. Let me guess, you think the democrats are left wing, lmao
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>>6128982
>i-its not left wing if its not ancom
yikes on trikes, kys lmao
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>>6128965
>Try again.
Okay. The majority of their economy was in private hands.
>Athen's democracy was an aristocracy you stupid tard.
HAHAHAAH holy SHIT you truly are a dunce! HAHAHAHAHA
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PragerU is your standard boomer conservative trying to appeal to youth
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Imagine being stupid enough to believe democracy is the best form of government
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>>6128982
>HURR i bet you think the party on the left is on the left DURR
Yes you gibbering ape, the DNC is leftwing. In b4
>BU BU BU THERE ARE PEOPLE EVEN FURTHER ON THE LEFT!!?!?!??!!
Moron.
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>>6128987
Yup, it's an american retard. It'd be a waste to put you in a gulag, you'll probably just get shot where you stand
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>>6128993
Athens had slavery lmao you are fucking stupid
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>>6128993
>Okay. The majority of their economy was in private hands.
When I said "try again," I didn't mean Communism-style.
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>>6129004
>HURR
So?
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>>6129003
I'm not even the guy you're arguing with, if you sincerely think the dems aren't the party that represents socialists you are a retard. The The American political system is more complex than socialists vote for socialist party like it is in Europe and yes it enfranchises socialists.
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>>6129006
Why do I need to "try again" when I'm right first time, retard? An economy that is mostly in private hands is manifestly closer to capitalism than to socialism.
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>>6129013
So your entire life is joke
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>>6129020
So you don't know what "democracy" even means? Gotcha.
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>>6129002
Holy shit, look at how you write. Did your mother smoke meth while pregnant? American subhumans like you should get rounded up and thrown into the ocean. If that happened, the IQ of your country would go up 20 points overnight.
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>>6128999
It is the best form of government for the sole reason that the mechanism by which power is transferred is non-violent; practically every other form of government requires civil war or revolution in order for power to change hands.
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>>6129025
Democracy is inherently an unattainable principle.

Do you limit franchise to men? How old? Do they have to be citizens? Naturalized or Born? Is it just the state or other aspects of life?

You can define democracy so that its something that has never existed and nobody would ever want and it would be a consistent definition.
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>>6129018
>Socialism is when the government owns stuff
Why are tankies so retarded
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>>6129044
>HURR
Reading is hard, huh?
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> Fascism is right-wing because it's wacist.
Fascism is left-wing because it's statist, and just a progression of Marxist socialism. It has socialist in its name because it is socialist.

It's basically communism, but instead of preaching the struggle of classes, it uses the struggle of races.
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>>6129042
>HURR u can define it several ways so it doesnt exist durr
Wow you truly are thick. I pity you.
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>>6129052
Fascism is right wing because its ultranationalist and palingenetic.
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>>6129030
Not really, an oligarchic merit-based one-party system like Singapore or China has is just as non-violent and probably more efficient than electing the most popular person among retards.
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>>6129059
If you think modern democracies are not real democracies but Athens is, then you are subject to this criticism
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>>6129062
Nationalism is an invention of the left
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>>6129071
Spoiler you dumb sack of pure failure: They're BOTH democracies.
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>>6129067
Communists are the most ideological political subculture
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>>6129065
Except the ruling party in both those countries has never lost power since their inception, and their inception itself was violent.
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>>6128948
>conceptualizations can be true or false
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>>6129076
So? The theory of relativity was designed by a Jew, and yet the Nazis used it for their planned space program.
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>>6129078
Why did you claim that Athens was a true democracy and others were not then?
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>>6129081
Singapore never had a violent revolution, they were de-annexed from Malaysia
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>>6129087
Athens is the first and the purest democracy, which is why I used it to counter your utterly moronic claim that "democracy doesn't work"
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Right-wing is basically maintaining the status quo, while left-wing is change for the fuck of change. Fascism is like a beast of its own: it tries to keep the status quo by radically changing everything.
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>>6129096
How is it the purest democracy if more than half the adult population didn't have the vote?
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>>6128244
>politically affiliated "educational" channel
>suprised it is biased

No one with brain takes PragerU seriously.
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>>6129090
Under the threat of British intervention.
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>>6128244
How new are you?

PragerU was already meme'd back in /lit/ before /his/ existed.
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>>6129048
Glad you're admitting you can't read.
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>>6129107
Why do commies make shit up when they're losing arguments?
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>>6129101
Because you don't understand what a democracy even is. Spoiler retard: There has NEVER been a state that gives everyone the vote, even modern western shitholes don't let serving felons or visitors from other countries vote
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>>6129118
>HURR NO U
Hahaha, I accept your utterly graceless admission of total defeat. You can go now, I'm done with you.
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So /his/ == /leftypol/?
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>>6129126
Yeah but Athens had a more limited franchise than modern democracies, so how is it a purer form of Democracy?
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>>6128244
Fascism doesn't fit in the right/left dichotomy. It's considered inherently right wing because leftists did the same thing right wingers are trying to do now. Use it as a weapon to attack the other side. It's dishonest but it's naive to expect more from politics.
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>>6128244
lmaomeymeys PragerU is fascist propaganda used to disrupt American social structures and encourage unrest

these jerks don't even have the decency to pretend to be neocons. they're quite literally the enemy of free society.
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>>6129135
Because it used sortition, not elections. Elections are inherently oligarchic because the rich and powerful have a greater say in the outcome than the poor.
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>>6129125
>The only reason Singapore exists is because of the military might of the British Empire and it's constant imperialism all over the world

>just going to ignore that and focus on a tiny fraction of history from 1963-65 when no violence occurred

Learn to argue yourself shit for brains.
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>>6129131
>LALALALLALALAL I'M NOT TALKING WITH KEKSERVATIVES LALALALALA HAHAHAHA U LOST I WON XDDDDDD
Back. To. >>>/pol/
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>>6129139
>PragerU is fascist propaganda
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>>6129177
Hmm? You still here?
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Everyone ITT repeat after me: Fascists get the bullet.
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>>6129161
Singapore tried to join Malaysia, Britain had nothing to do with the Malaysian communists chimping out at them
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>>6129202
>Everyone ITT repeat after me: Fascists get the bullet.
Everyone ITT repeat after me: Everyone I disagree with/can't understand is a Fascist.
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>>6129202
Fascists get the bullet.
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>>6129229
Are you implying fascists have the right to MUH FREEZEPEACH?
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>>6129136
It's considered right-wing because it is extremely nationalistic. Stop pretending that ultra-nationalism is can in any way be left-wing. The way I see it is that fascism is basically the most extreme form of bourgeois nationalism.
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>>6129246
Yes
As if you retarded commies haven't managed to brutally murder dozen of times more than fascists, and you didn't even try as hard as them.
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>>6128244
>fascism is leftism
>party switch didn't happen
>modern democrats are evil slavers
>men are oppressed
>whites are oppressed
I love the channel, its confirms with my worldview
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>>6129265
Freezepeachers are of the most irritating kind. There is practically nothing they won't defend.

When considering this I often imagine a squad of communist militias getting ready to shoot the last fascist, when they encounter him hiding behind a liberal with a big shield that says "free speech". The fascist has a shit-eating grin, while the liberal bears a look of genuine worry.
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>>6129249
Left-wing is using the state to ensure equality of outcome, which is a basic trait shared by national-socialists and international-socialists
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>>6129246
>Communists: wahhh they're wouldn't hire communists in hollywood 60 years ago
>Also communists: YOU DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THE KIBBUTZ? YOU FUCKING FASCIST YOU SHOULD BE SHOT FOR DISAGREEING WITH ME
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>>6129249
Nationalism is an invention of the left
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>>6129282
Is this a joke? National socialists love hierarchy and inequality. The whole notion of Fuhrerprinzip is basically as unequal a society can possible become.
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>>6129273
>And then I woke up with aids-invested cum in my asshole
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>>6129285
No. Disagreeing is fine. There are many schools of socialism and debating and diversity of opinion should be encouraged. You should be shot for being a fascist scum.
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>>6129301
Zizek and communists are ideologues. The only branch of communism that is not ideological is post-Mao China
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>>6129273
>Freezepeachers are of the most irritating kind. There is practically nothing they won't defend.
If free speech is to be banned, we should start with socialism, which is the most toxic and perverted ideology in modern times.

>When considering this I often imagine a squad of communist militias getting ready to shoot the last fascist, when they encounter him hiding behind a liberal with a big shield that says "free speech". The fascist has a shit-eating grin, while the liberal bears a look of genuine worry.
Fascist only exist in a few Internet corners, not organized anywhere in the real world.
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>>6128244
>YouTube
There's your problem. Don't even need to put a political ideology sticker on it.
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>>6129202
Fascists get the bullet.
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>>6129298
There's not much difference between "all your problems are caused by whites, let us the government solve it for you" and "all your problems are caused by jews, let us the government solve it for you"
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>>6129249
>let's reduce fascism to only what overlaps with the right
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>>6129303
>There are many schools of socialism and debating and diversity of opinion should be encouraged.
> Only diversity of schools of socialism is tolerated
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>>6129303
This is why ideology (an in particular communism) is a religion
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>>6129336
Because socialism is right and the next dialectical step in history. Why should we take seriously someone defending capitalism when it's in its late stage? Such person would only do it to protect his privileges. Fascism. It shouldn't be tolerated.
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>>6129346
Why should we take seriously someone defending socialism when it's been scientifically proven to be a massive failure each and every time its tried?
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>>6129346
>Because socialism is right and the next dialectical step in history.
Show one fucking example of a working socialist society.

>Why should we take seriously someone defending capitalism when it's in its late stage?
Western-society is in its late stage, socialist is just accelerating its decline.

>Such person would only do it to protect his privileges.
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>>6128980
>I mean, wanting and helping capitalists to have basically all the power and decision-making in society is at minimum very authoritarian.
Fuck you commie.
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>>6129357
Because late stage capitalism can't continue forever. The working conditions for the proletariat makes their lives miserable while the bourgeoisie scum keeps getting richer exploiting everyone else. Capitalism is dying and it won't be replaces with more capitalism.
>every time its tried
I commend everyone who has attempted the revolution but socialism in one country is not real socialism. The conditions weren't ready yet but we're getting almost there.
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>>6129328
>an extreme form of bourgeois nationalism

Eh, I'm pretty sure normal right-wingers leave a lot of wiggle room in every day politics. Fascists clearly don't.
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>>6129386
Not an argument faggot.
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>>6129202
Fascists get the bullet....
....and use it to finally kill the Red.
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>>6129398
>I commend everyone who has attempted the revolution but socialism in one country is not real socialism. The conditions weren't ready yet but we're getting almost there.
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>6129406
As much an argument as muh fascist
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>>6129415
t. thinks late stage capitalism will continue forever
I will be the one laughing when you get the bullet.
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>>6129398
>I commend everyone who has attempted the revolution but socialism in one country is not real socialism. The conditions weren't ready yet but we're getting almost there.
So all the genocide, hunger, misery, et al. are just a small side effect?
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>>6129398
Capitalism outlived socialism going on 30 years now. Socialism is the idea that died out and is discredited. The idea that capitalism is inherently unstable is a giant cope by modern communists that have nothing left to contribute to political science. Living standards have only continued to grow to the point where the poorest person in society is miserable because he doesn't have to work or when he works he can't afford a luxury vacation.
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>>6129423
>t. thinks late stage capitalism will continue forever
I said Western society is in decline

>I will be the one laughing when you get the bullet.
You'll die of AIDS before that
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>>6129406
Arguments are superfluous when they fall on deaf ears. Why would I argue with a bandit?
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>>6129062
>liking ur country is fascism
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>>6129423
There's nothing late stage about capitalism. Its the most efficient way to produce and allocate resources and nothing you brainlets can come up with will do a better job.

>inb4 AI memes from someone who doesn't understand how AI works (you)
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>>6129447
>pic related is just "liking ur country"
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>>6129423
>unironically using the phrase "late stage capitalism" in a sentence
lol
What hilarious phrase are you going to entertain us with next, "fully automated luxury communism"?
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>>6129470
>fascism only existed in Germany
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>>6129470
The only thing the Nazis did wrong was lose.
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>>6129432
>Capitalism outlived socialism going on 30 years now. Socialism is the idea that died out and is discredited.
Capitalism is just the natural order of things, which is meritocracy.
Socialism and their Anti-meritocracy manifesto are things you have to brainwash kids into accepting, or make adults "get the bullet", as done in USSR, China and many other places.

In the event of a nuclear war, the near annihilation of mankind and the loss of all current knowledge, humans will naturally go back to meritocracy, until some nutcase comes up with ideas of equality of outcome in a few thousand years again.
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>>6129324
And neither of those has anything to do with fascism or socialism. Those are just populist claims.
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>>6129447
No, but if you don't like your country there is no possibility you are a fascist. Also ULTRA nationalism, not just "liking your country", and palingenetic, not just "liking your country". You are hopelessly dishonest.
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>>6129490
Sure, but if you take these populist claims out, everything you have left, in economical terms, is statism and socialism on both sides.
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>>6129202
Fascists get plenty of bullets, which they shall shoot at communist vermin.
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>>6129485
>Capitalism is just the natural order of things, which is meritocracy.
What a dimwitted nigger you are. There is nothing "natural" about capitalism, it had to be invented for a reason. The default human economic system is the "traditional economy", as exemplified by the European guild system, where you have a shoemaker who makes shoes, who is guaranteed no competition, but is required to sell his shoes at a fixed price. There is nothing meritocratic or capitalistic OR socialist about the default NATURAL economic systems humans come up with.
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>>6129502
>You are hopelessly dishonest.
I genuinely think only the folks at the top of left-wing movements are dishonest, the ones at the bottom just lack basic critical thinking and reading comprehension.
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>>6129505
Except not even slightly. Fascists want a "third way" economic system with free markets that are largely in service to national interest, socialists want total state monopoly, fascists want a "national rebirth" and a revival of presumed national virtues, socialists want to abolish the concept of the nation and build a global internationalist movement. Just because both tend to be authoritarian does not mean HURR DEY ARE DE SAME.
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>>6129502
What if I hate my country but also hate niggers?
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>>6129524
They have been Jewed. Thing is, the same is true on the right, most right wingers don't think about their ideology, they just clap when they see the FOX logo and boo when they see the MSNBC logo.
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>>6129518
>who is guaranteed
How is that natural at all?
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>>6129535
Then you're just a racist. You don't have to be racist to be a fascist, most leftwingers are racists.
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>>6129546
based thank you sargon
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>>6129518
>There is nothing "natural" about capitalism, it had to be invented for a reason.
Invented? By whom? That's the first time I hear that, even from a communist

>The default human economic system is the "traditional economy", as exemplified by the European guild system, where you have a shoemaker who makes shoes, who is guaranteed no competition, but is required to sell his shoes at a fixed price.
The default economic system is where the government does price controls?

>There is nothing meritocratic (...) about the default NATURAL economic systems humans come up with.
wow
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>>6129544
>HURR
So to you the only "natural" economic system is the one animals use? Because yeah, I see a lion and I think "wow look at that capitalist!"
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>>6129555
>Invented? By whom?
Really? read a fucking book you retard.
>The default economic system is where the government does price controls?
>HURR
Humans live in tribal groups, weird I know.
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>>6129518
The default human economic system is literally hunter-gathering.
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>>6129533
Well, you got me. The fun thing is Fascism is actually a lot better than communism.

My main problem with Fascism is you depend on a good dictator. If he dies, you are not guaranteed to have another... (but the same applies to democracy, except you can vote bad people out, in fascism you can't)
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>>6129568
Sure
>Immediately starts reading The Communist Manifesto
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>>6129572
>My main problem with Fascism is you depend on a good dictator. If he dies, you are not guaranteed to have another...
This is the ultimate failure of all authoritarian regimes.
>same applies to democracy
Not quite. Democracy by its nature ensures you will very seldom get exceptional leaders, either exceptionally good or exceptionally bad. It's why it's the worst possible system of government... except for all the others than have been tried.
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>>6129584
>DURR
Good goy.
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>>6129556
I don't think there's any natural economic system. What's natural is to find a way to get what you want and get away with it. Capitalism makes that easier but it's certainly not a natural system.
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>>6129597
That retard said Meritocracy was invented by people in power. How brainwashed can someone be? Meritocracy is even in the animal kingdom. Capitalism is just Meritocracy applied to economics.
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>>6129597
>I don't think there's any natural economic system
Sure there is, just look. Look at what EVERY human group comes up with, once its numbers reach the level where an economic system is needed, and it is invariably some version of guilds, with hereditary occupations and virtually no room for entrepreneurship or social advancement. Capitalism is absolutely not natural, any more than communism is, it had to be specifically invented from a theoretical basis and then implemented (initially against the will of the people) by a state.
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>>6129614
Reading is hard, huh?
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>>6129618
>>There is nothing meritocratic (...) about the default NATURAL economic systems humans come up with.
You can't read what you have written yourself?
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>>6129628
>about the default NATURAL economic systems humans come up with.
Try reading to the end of the line next time you mouthbreather. What, did you stop at "meritocratic" and think HURR DER IS SOME THING THAT IS MERITOCRATIC SO U WRONG DURR?
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>>6129614
>Meritocracy is even in the animal kingdom.

Really? So there are entrepreneurial chimpanzees and elephants that start businesses and become rich and then their kids inherit the wealth of their parents and don't have to do any work as long as they live?
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>>6129614
I don't think you understand the meaning of "meritocracy".
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Imagine being immersed in the fruits of capitalism 24/7 and pining to live in stalinist russia
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>American hour
>'murrifats defending a conservative propaganda channel
Never change, lol.
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>>6129653
Actually I work for the government.
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>>6129654
Chances are your country's policies were all designed in northeastern US yankee liberal arts colleges and so was everything you currently believe
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>>6129645
>So there are entrepreneurial chimpanzees and elephants that start businesses and become rich and then their kids inherit the wealth of their parents and don't have to do any work as long as they live?
Animals compete and set territory, the strongest leads the pack, gets the females, etc.
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>>6129665
>Actually I'm on glorified welfare
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>>6129641
How is meritocracy not the natural default economic system? A society run purely on merit is literally might makes right.
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>>6129665
The fall of Western Civilization
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>>6129669
Except that's not meritocracy, that's dominance and submission through violence.
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>>6129672
>A society run purely on merit is literally might makes right.
So no, you DON'T understand what a meritocracy is. Gotcha.
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>>6129679
Are you implying violence cannot be meritorious?
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>>6129672
People are more prone to nepotism than meritocracy.
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>>6129653
>pining to live in stalinist russia

lol
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>>6129679
>Meritocracy (kράτος kratos "strength, power") is a political philosophy which holds that certain things should be vested in individuals on the basis of talent, effort, and achievement, rather than factors such as sexuality, race, gender, or wealth.
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>paying attention to jew groveling bullshit channels
Much ado about nothing
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>>6129681
I clearly understand what it is better than you do. What exactly do you think merit is, other than actual ability?
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>>6129687
I'm implying that gerrymandering the definition of a word like meritocracy to include chimpanzees ripping off the arms of their kin is some serious arguing in bad faith.
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>>6129681
That was another person answering, you didn't get me
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>>6129701
So to you, ONLY physical strength counts as "merit"?
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>>6129696
>DURR DAT MEANS STRONG MAN GET EVERYTHING AND IS MERITOCRACY HURR
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>>6129689
>listening to irish catholics
you made a rather large mistake, friend.
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>>6129668
Doubt it. My country had official ties with North Korea and Yugoslavia. We kicked all the US spies and we discovered their weapons caches before they could stage their coup d'etat.
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>>6129704
I "got" whichever moron I replied to who doesn't know what meritocracy is, moron.
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>>6129688
Nepotism is perfectly in line with meritocracy when you take into account genetic inheritance. If your genes are strong in you, they will undoubtedly be strong in your relations as well, and if they aren't then your nepotism is doomed to failure.
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>>6129689
The arguments against marxism include more than show trials, its a failure because central planning and socialism is a failure. The authoritarian nature of the systems comes from the combination of their inability to perform economically and desire to hold onto power.
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>>6129703
Do chimpanzees possess some other standard of merit that I'm unaware of?
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>>6129718
Wow you really have no fucking clue what the words you use mean, do you?
>nepotism is compatible with meritocracy if you only take into account non-merit based reasoning!
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>>6129671
Actually 100% of my work is beneficial to humanity unlike you private sector sellouts. Literally monitoring public health so that the public can be assured that they are not getting poisoned by you lot.
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>>6129717
You did not get anyone at all. Your argument was "DURR HURR"
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>>6129672
>stealing is meritocracy
OK.
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>>6129718
Well when all the cobblers and coopers create guilds for their children and the local noble enforces their historical privileges of monopolies on their trade, that's what leads to the traditional economy.
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>>6129713
Well he's not wrong. Right-wingers like a lot of people in this thread think like Jordan Peterson in that Marxist ideas are a failure because the USSR existed and failed, as if this proves anything.

Because if it is, the United States proves that liberalism,republicanism and democracy was a failure too by its insistence on treating blacks as property and having a secret prison on Cuba where they torture people in direct opposition to their founding documents.
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>>6129734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS0zxG8L9J4
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>>6129736
If you think "might makes right" is a synonym for "meritocracy" then you are a moron. If you don't, then why the fuck are you replying as tho you were the moron who made that claim? Either way, fuck off, retard.
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>>6129708
No, not at all. It's simply the most immediately practical. Skilled oratory and prudent forethought is worthless if you lack the ability to enforce it.
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>>6129740
Working harder than someone is not stealing. Taxing and redistributing what I have worked for is stealing.
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>>6129747
>Right-wingers like a lot of people in this thread think like Jordan Peterson in that Marxist ideas are a failure because the USSR existed and failed, as if this proves anything.
Implying the USSR was the only socialist state that failed
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>>6129734
Showing to a farmer or food processor and demanding they pay for you to look at their assembly line isn't beneficial to humanity, you are employed to take the pressure off employment figures.
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>>6129090
>>6129107
Under threat of nationally sponsored terrorism, tons of propaganda, and political interference. There very likely would have been a short and bloody war if Singapore wasn't kicked out of the federation. The two sides kept trying to undermine the other government long after the split, as well.
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>>6129757
China failed and had to adopt capitalism
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>>6129751
>Skilled oratory and prudent forethought is worthless if you lack the ability to enforce it.
Which is why we INVENTED the concept of meritocracy, you fucking mouthbreather, so that the people who had useful skills but DIDN'T have the physical power to enforce them could still make useful contributions.
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>>6129749
Why exactly do you separate might from merit? Don't you think that it's odd that you are devaluing the practical application of ability, in favor of some nebulous concept of merit that manifests itself without might?
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>>6129777
So you ARE that moron. Just fuck off, retard, I'm done wasting pixels on you.
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>>6129753
>Working harder
TOP KEK
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>>6129777
The red seems to think meritocracy can be enforced by quotas. It's the only thing I could decipher from his "MURR HURR" and name calling.
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>>6129314
Fascism exists in real life, and nobody gives a shit. See also: Bretton Woods.
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>>6129757
>Implying the USSR was the only socialist state that failed

But that's not the point is it? There are several capitalist countries in Africa that are constantly failing, European capitalist nations have been to war with each other for centuries, and the world capitalist economy constantly experiences economic crashes and recessions. Does that mean that the liberal capitalist tradition all the way back to Adam Smith is just automatically refuted?

No it doesn't.
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>>6129762
Without me you would all be eating rat turds and lead shavings in a delicious emulsification with cat piss.
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>>6129782
That was not me again, lol
I'm just having some evening fun, nothing you tried to convey makes any sense
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>>6129792
Fascism seems to exist in Russia and China.
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>>6128244
The centre right are complete retards that's why.
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So guys, last week I decided to WORK HARDER (TM). Now I'm a billionaire. True story.
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>>6129776
Those aren't useful skills in themselves anon, that's my point and in actual fact you're unconsciously agreeing with me. If merit was not equivalent with might, then you wouldn't be admitting that people that lack physical power are unable to make meaningful contributions.
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>>6129800
lmao you literally sit at a desk and fill out forms all day retard. I know exactly how irrelevant your job is
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>>6129801
>hurr im only pretending to be a moron!
Sadly, no, you're not.
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>>6129797
>But that's not the point is it? There are several capitalist countries in Africa that are constantly failing,
Implying there is a single socialist country that has failed or is failing
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>>6129808
You literally don't understand what the words we're using even mean, talking to you is a waste of time.
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>>6129813
>Implying there is a single socialist country that has failed or is failing
*has NOT failed or is NOT failing
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>>6129816
Says the guy that thinks merit is not tied to practical ability.
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>>6129811
No I'm part of the inspection crew.
Stop making an imbecile of yourself. You lolbertarians know very well how wrong you are about everything. You need to grow the fuck up.
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>>6129824
LARP
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>>6129067
EVERY MAN A TRASH CAN!
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>>6129821
>hurr if u think UGH SMASH is not meritocracy then u dumb durr
You are literally not worth talking to.
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>>6129813
Well I would argue that this is because command economies don't work unless there's total war.
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>>6128297
Where do these people exist? Like, I see pictures of boomer families at these rallies all the time but I've been on /pol/ for like five years and I still have no idea who or what the fuck QAnon is. Is it a Twitter / Reddit / Youtube thing? Alex Jones? I just don't understand.
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>>6129835
You haven't presented a counter argument yet, waiting.
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>>6129804
Also good examples. Modern China is far more aligned with fascist economics than purely Marxist ones, no matter how much pooh-bear wants to LARP as a genuine red communist. The only thing they inherited from Marxism was the language and iconography.
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>>6129840
Yes I have. I have pointed out that you don't even know what the words you're using mean. This is the most basic kind of refutation that is possible. Nothing at all you have said is even remotely relevant to the topic, because you don't understand what the topic even is.
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This is the latest left fad: https://postmeritocracy.org/
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>>6129835
If "ugh smash" prevails, then clearly it possesses merit as a system. What do you think merit is, anon? Intellectual masturbation?
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>>6129864
Again, you don't know what the words you're using even mean. I am done with you, reply again all you like, I won't be wasting any more effort on someone who can't be fucked to even look up the terms he's (mis)using.
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>>6129860
>Yes I have. I have pointed out that you don't even know what the words you're using mean. This is the most basic kind of refutation that is possible. Nothing at all you have said is even remotely relevant to the topic, because you don't understand what the topic even is.
I presented the Wikipedia definition of Meritocracy, which you refuted by saying that you refuted.
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>>6129800
Yes I'm sure you like to think that your make-work job is saving the world, but nobody got rich selling such things. Plus, the sanitation standards for food processing are completely arbitrary and designed to favor the mega-corps. For instance, nearly all of the chicken meat in America is contaminated with salmonella. This isn't a problem in other countries, just ones where people like you and your bosses daily suck Tyson Foods dick.
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>China
>Communist

Pick one. More like red fascism.
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>>6129855
The funniest thing is China and Russia have clearly noticed socialism doesn't work long ago, yet some American haven't.
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>>6129872
See >>6129870
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>>6129870
I understand what merit means. I don't think you do though, as you're separating it from real world achievements for reasons you have failed to expand upon.
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>>6129839
This was somebody LARPing on /pol/, and it got out of hand. Reddit picked up on it, then it hit the conservative alt media. At this point, it's got the same memetic power as WTC7 or the magic bullet theory (JFK).
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>>6129886
Haha, lost the argument and is only repeating the same "don't talk to me again" like a hysteric gf
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>>6129882
What do you mean by the word socialism here though? Because if you mean like most retarded Americans mean that socialism = the government does X or the government gives money to X group, then every country on the planet is socialist.
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My theory is USSR and China and their sick ideology have been defeated in the Cold War, and now as a revenge they are pushing it to Western society just to see it collapse.
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>>6129898
Probably an antifa fag
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>>6129912
Except for the obvious fact that Marxist or Communist thought barely has a presence anywhere in the West. In most Western countries Communist parties have like 1-2% perhaps even 4% of voting, and that's if they even exist in the country.

If you are talking about the intersectional critical theorists, they are not Marxists or Communists. They are liberals who use ideology for their own benefit, and it's a uniquely American phenomenon.
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>>6129947
They are swinging more and more to the left each passing day. The Democratic party has switched from KKK to Liberalism to Leftism and keeps going
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>>6129954
I find it hard to believe that the Dems will ever be anything other than neo-liberal warhawks who drone Ahmed and his family.
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>>6129947
>intersectional critical theorists use Marxist rhetoric and operate off of Marxist philosophical assumptions
>They aren't Marxist though
Every time!
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>>6129975
The only reason the Soviets didn't drone Ahmed and his family was the fact that they lacked drones.
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>>6129975
What about Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and Sanders
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>>6129977
There is something called going beyond original principles to the point of not caring about those principles.

This new intersectional ideology has very little of Marx left, they barely care about materialism and class. And I know this because I am knee deep in a department that is completely entranced by this shit.
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>>6129202
Fascists get the bullet
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>>6129993
AOC is a socialist goddess but she's the exception. It won't be long before the dems throw her under the bus.
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>>6129202
Commies get the bullet.
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>>6130034
>AOC is a socialist goddess
oh no
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>>6128244
PragerU exists to make all conservatives look like raging retards.
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>>6130034
>AOC is a socialist goddess but she's the exception. It won't be long before the dems throw her under the bus.
No, she is their next Obama
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>>6130068
this
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