Normally 6 miles from the coast but the coast of both sides is very close. Greeks claim exclusive nautical zone up the Turks’s ass.This is his related because this is an issue of maritime law and political theory.
>>6122252Definitely not fair to the Turks. The treaty is a relic from a time when the allies thought Turkey was going to be partitioned (as in, Anatolia).Furthermore, Greece is a failed state, Turkey isn't.
If we apply Israeli standards to the situation, all of at least Western Anatolia should be Greek territory.
>>6122252The turks are lucky they were not kicked even farther back.The thought that Constantinople is still under Turkish rule disgusts me.
>>6122252Greece claims Turkey should pay Greece money to receive shipping. They also claim north Cyprus and inlets near Mersin...
>>6123050go away ivan
>>6122252I don’t see the point of it; both control islands and share routes in the Agean. Turks could easily claim the same for flights east or south from greece.
>>6123513Greek establishment plays up anti Turkish sentiment to distract the voters from their failed state and hopeless financial situation.
>>6122252Greece owns all those islands
>>6123680Not for long.
>>6122252How many more threads can you make? Can't you stay contained in just one thread?>>6117689
>>6122362>>6122390>>6123050go back to /pol/ retards
So what? That's the international law and those islands are Greek.
>>6124049If Turkey presses 6 nautical miles, all your islands are ours. It works both ways Jose.
>>6123941>/his/ isn’t my private blog :(
>>6123945The turks are scum. That is not a /pol/tard stance. If it was the entirety of Greece and the Ukraines would be /pol/tards.
>>6124072I'm not Greek and I don't think Jose is a Greek name. In any case why are you so butthurt about Greece?
Also, it doesn't work that way you dumb fuck. You don't get a claim on territory (islands) because they are near your coast. Those islands are recognized as Greek and populated by Greeks. You lack any legal, historical or moral claim on those islands.
>>6124072But that would mean invading a NATO member's sovereign borders which would attract the entire military force-...actually nvm go ahead take the islands
>>6122252Considering that Turkey shouldn't even be bordering the coast, yes.
>>6124148>Greece exits NATO during their junta>wants back in the 1980s>Turkey has veto power over new NATO members>let’s Greece in anyway but with a secret treatyYeah you’re fucked if we do that.
>>6124197Go ahead monkey
>>6122252This belongs on /his/ or /pol/ or something. Also it's completely legal under maritime law so stop whining, Turk.
>>6124072But they can't do that...
>>6124372>be Greek>every inlet is ours including those not mentioned by name in the Lausanne treaty>we get 6 miles too>soo if a Turk swimmer goes a little too far he’s in Greece >Turks>ok we get 6 miles too>Greeks>NEO OTTOMAN FASCISF ISLAMSIT ISSIS INVADER OH THE TURKS R COMING THE TURKS R COMING RUJNNN N
>>6122252Why not just kiss already
>>6124146>legalThey were ours and should have been ours by treaty>historicalOurs since 1488 >moralWe need them to protect our shores our entire shoreline is exposed to Greek machinationsWe will take pic related, including Xanthi.
>>6124318Either give us full access to the sea in these areas or give us the islands.
>>61243806 miles around their OWN islands is not even very much.
>>6124393kys you filthy turk
>>6124404>>6124401>>6124399>>6124398>>6124393>>6124387Maybe you two countries should... like... merge or something...
>>6124404It is very much actually, this is a small area in the map, plus they claim Little Rock’s right off the Turkish shore (like you can see it and swim to it and touch it) as Greece. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak
>>6124409Only if the turkish government is completely wiped out and replaced by glorious greek citizens.
>>6124409>>6124417You're both the same fucking people with just a different sky god. Your food is the same. Your cultures are based off one another. Each had respective empires that influenced the other.
>>6124409>>6124408Back when we Gave a shit about the EU, we backed off and let Greece walk all over us since whatever if we are in the Eu we have open borders anyway. But now, all bets are off.
>>6124420You would die if you said that to a Greek man.
>>6124380yea pretty much, except Aeolia, Ionia, Doria, the Hellespont and Thrace should be Greek
>>6124409They should just form a unified single secular government in Byzantium, establish kurdistan and crack down on extremist religious sectsMuzzies and Christians have historically cooperated so long as fringe agitators are removed
>>6124426>>6124420I am Greek/Cypriot/Turkish. This rivalry is beyond retarded
>>6124420>Your cultures are based off one another.mate greeks predate turks by a long shot
>>6124426Funny, a turk said exactly the same thing to me
>>6124432Sure you are. And I am the queen of Sheba.
Nobody else would tolerate this bull shit. Nobody.
>>6124442>attempt at compromise, Greeks rejected it, they claim every little red rock in this map
>>6124442all of those islands should be greek.
>>6124442Do T*rks actually think they have a valid argument even for holding all the land they have been squatting on?
>>6124412Yes because the international community and the world at large considers that Greek land.
>>6124442You are lucky you got to even keep the coast.
>>6124441because up until the young turks went crazy and burned everything after the 1922 war, they were overwhelmingly greek going back to the 8th century BC. Even afterwards they maintained a huge minority
>>6124457Turkey cannot be expected to give up these islands, Turkish for 8 centuries and supposed to be returned by Italy in 1946 (but whatever they renegaded), and necessary for national security.
>>6124472Greece has supported PKK (killed thousands of Turks so far), and ASALA (who murdered dozens of Turkish diplomats), and therefore has demonstrated a callous lack of concern for Turkey’s legitimate security concerns — some may say it goes even further, that Greece is a hostile power.
>>6124472>necessary for national security.fuck off, all land that the roach stands on belongs to Greece the second he can be pried off it
>>6124485>captured at Hellenic Republic of Greece embassy in Kenya
>>6124485The Greeks are 100% in the right.
>>6124466What are you talking about?Ethnically they may have been and may still be greek, but they certainly didn't and don't think of themselves of greek?Why do you think they would be so receptive to greek rule?
>>6124494Well Turkey has national security concerns with an exposed shoreline open to Greece. There must be a fair cut off point in the middle of the Aegean, everything on the Turkish side to Turkey.
>>6124487What is with your retarded greek nationalismIt's like palestinians whining that they can't win a war against Israel
>>6124503The Turks deserve no concessions.
>>6124503Greeks have the military and allies to back up their claims. Turks do not. It is as simple as that.
>>6124530I wasn't aware this is a politically disputed issue in the modern day
>>6124498do you think the the YTs burned Smyrna down for fun? Western Greek irredentism and local Greek patriotism were the biggest threats to 1922-3 Turkey
>>6124530Greeks need to respect Turkish security concerns! And Turkey is also in NATO, and soft power has limits— Germany, US, UK, France will not go to war with Turkey over this issue, especially since Turkey is increasingly being backed by Russia and Iran.
>>6124542But what's the problem? Even back then the population was a minority and exchanged with greece This is something both governments accepted and continue to accept, but far right agitators on both sides are convinced they got a bad deal
>>6124542>IzmirWas burned by Greeks, like every city on the retreat from Sakarya. They used the fire to cover their retreat onto boats, and the fire erupts just as the Turkish Army gets there— preoccupying the Turks with the fire as the Greeks make their exit. Other cities they burned:- Aydin- manisa- ayvalikThe list goes on.They also burned Selanik in 1919 to kill and evict the remaining Muslims and Jews. Greeks are arsonists, they even hired PKK to start fires and do terror attacks in the 1990s in Turkish Aegean towns.
>>6124554>far right Is a meme in TurkeyBut the ruling clique in Greece is always far right, their establishment is far right
>>6124539https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegean_disputeVery much so. Turkey cannot build up a Navy becusse Greeks complain to the EU/US that it will make them feel uncomfortable.
>>6124556>all this turk revisionismthe Fire in Smyrna started 4 days after the YT army captured the citythe genocide that the Turks committed over the following 30 years saw as many as 750,000 dead and millions forcibly displaced through pogroms and government policy.
How did they tell who was greek and who was turk in the population exchange?
This is only fair
>>6124606religion and languageif you spoke greek and were christian, you were greek, if you spoke turkish and were muslim you were a turknot a lot in-between
>>6124627>Turks don’t burn any town>Greeks have a literal scorched earth fuck it all destroy Anatolia if we can’t have it strategy, corroborated by American, British, French, Italian consuls and all other observers (including the many foreign missionaries or journalists in the area)
>>6124613What if mr theodopolis put on a fez, bought a quran and just said "merhaba" to the local immigration police so he didn't have to leave?
>Manisa ... almost completely wiped out by fire ... 10,300 houses, 15 mosques, 2 baths, 2,278 shops, 19 hotels, 26 villas ... [destroyed]. Cassaba (present day Turgutlu) was a town of 40,000 souls, 3,000 of whom were non-Muslims. Of these 37,000 Turks only 6,000 could be accounted for among the living, while 1,000 Turks were known to have been shot or burned to death. Of the 2,000 buildings that constituted the city, only 200 remained standing. Ample testimony was available to the effect that the city was systematically destroyed by Greek soldiers, assisted by a number of Greek and Armenian civilians. Kerosene and gasoline were freely used to make the destruction more certain, rapid and complete. Alaşehir, hand pumps were used to soak the walls of the buildings with Kerosene. As we examined the ruins of the city, we discovered a number of skulls and bones, charred and black, with remnants of hair and flesh clinging to them. Upon our insistence a number of graves having a fresh-made appearance were actually opened for us as we were fully satisfied that these bodies were not more than four weeks old. [the time of the Greek retreat through Alaşehir]>The destruction of the interior cities visited by our party was carried out by Greeks.>The percentages of buildings destroyed in each of the last four cities referred to were: Manisa 90 percent, Cassaba (Turgutlu) 90 percent, Alaşehir 70 percent, Salihli 65 percent.>The burning of these cities was not desultory, nor intermittent, nor accidental, but well planned and thoroughly organized.>There were many instances of physical violence, most of which was deliberate and wanton. Without complete figures, which were impossible to obtain, it may safely be surmised that 'atrocities' committed by retiring Greeks numbered well into thousands in the four cities under consideration. These consisted of all three of the usual type of such atrocities, namely murder, torture and rape.
>>6124662>>6124662Source: “Greek Scorched Earth Strategy” section, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_(1919%E2%80%931922)
>>6124642>random fictional Author who was a Greek fanboy and there with the Greek army says something mean about Turks.He’s not a journalist or a good source.
>>6124674>interview of a direct source>I don't like it, not a good source
>>6124688My sources are Consuls, Journalists, American or European military personnel Your only source is a liar popular paperback, fiction writer.. who cited a weak unreliable source that no serious historian cites for good reason>Giles Milton (born 15 January 1966) is an internationally best-selling writer who specialises in narrative history. His books have been published in over twenty languages worldwide. He has written nine works of non-fiction, a thriller, two comic novels and three books for young children.
>>6124652They were sent to Turkey. Cretan Muslims, Greek speakers and hundreds of thousands of Greek Muslims from mainland Greece also... they had to learn Turkish from start.Also Karamanli “Greeks” who spoke Turkish and didn’t speak Greek were sent to Greece becusse despite speaking Turkish they were Greek Orthodox.
>>6124718For Greeks, Muslim= Turk... so they kicked out, Purged, and eradicated by genocidal means all Greek Muslims.
>>6124705>Others, such as Claflin Davis of the American Red Cross and Monsieur Joubert, director of the Credit Foncier Bank of Smyrna, also witnessed the Turks putting buildings to the torch. When the latter asked the soldiers what they were doing, "They replied impassively that they were under orders to blow up and burn all the houses of the area." The city's fire brigade did its best to combat the fires but by Wednesday September 13 so many were being set that it was unable to keep up. Two firemen from the brigade, a Sgt. Tchorbadjis and Emmanuel Katsaros, would later testify in court witnessing Turkish soldiers setting fire to the buildings. When Katsaros complained, one of them commented, "You have your orders...and we have ours. This is Armenian property. Our orders are to set fire to it."the fucking red cross attributes it to the turks
>>6124728No they were officials affiliated with those orgs but others including the neutral but leaning pro Greeks american vice consul says it was the Greeks who started it.
>>6124728>cartoonish evil Turk dialogue>like the proven to be forgery Hitler quote “who remembers the Armenians today!” Come on...
>>6124735https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_fire_of_Smyrna#BurningI don't see a single reference of the greeks starting the fiream I just blind?
>>6124728>Two firemen from the brigade, a Sgt. Tchorbadjis and Emmanuel Katsaros, would later testify in court witnessing Turkish soldiers setting fire to the buildings.By the time the Greeks burned Izmir, the world press had caught on to their arsonisr scorched earth policy and began criticizing them, so the Greeks and their allies worked hard to make Izmir seem like it was the Turks who did it.
>>6124749Are you busily not reading that article?
>>6124749>However, the Greeks and the Armenians, with their pre-arranged plans have decided to destroy İzmir. Speeches made by Chrysóstomos at the churches have been heard by the Muslims, the burning of İzmir was defined as a religious duty. The destruction was accomplished by this organization. To confirm this, there are many documents and eyewitness accounts. Our soldiers worked with everything that they have to put out the fires. Those who attribute this to our soldiers may come to İzmir personally and see the situation. However, for a job like this, an official investigation is out of the question. The newspaper correspondents of various nationalities presently in İzmir are already executing this duty. The Christian population is treated with good care and the refugees are being returned to their places.
>Another example of greek Arsonhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Thessaloniki_Fire_of_1917
>>6124767>within 48h>fire started 4 days later>>6124765>no ISBN, only available via import from Istanbul>>6124761[full citation needed] Heath Lowry only attempts to provide why other sources are false, he makes no specific claim to know the truth
>>6124808How about these you brainlet scum?>>6124779>>6124767>>6124765>>6124761
>>6124808The goddamn fire chief of the city says it was Greeks and Armenians ! >>6124761
>>6124808Being this anti history and hatefulShould be a crime. You don’t care about facts or accuracy. Just scoring points, and making your side look good.
>>6124412This is the view from Turkey btw the photographer is in Turkey
>>6124779>fucking Atatürk himselfyou think he's going to admit to mass killing civilians?the book that sources this speech describes itself> "The Whispering Voices of Smyrna" is proof of the horrible atrocities the Turks, whether private citizens or government officials, committed by plundering, torturing, mutilating, burning alive, and massacring women, children, and aged people. The book details these brutal acts that were decided, planned, and directed by the Turkish central authorities and were aimed at cleansing lands under Turkish control of non-Muslim citizens.>>6124797literally just "a telegram was sent where Mr. lamb believed the greeks had given the order"no copy of the telegram provided>>6124803not Smyrna, not my argument.
>>6124859Why wouldn’t he admit it? If he’s so proud to cleanse the land?Truth is, he didn’t order antbring like this. It would be totally out of character for him and for his army, but totally in character for the Greeks/Armenians.What are you referring to ? The telegraph is in the British archives and the Smyrna Fire Chief’s (not Turkish!) testimony is Attested by multiple parties including his memoirs. You’re just saying gibberish right now. >ThessalonicaYeah it’s the Greek primer for Smyrna, they have a modus operandi here a pattern of behavior
>>6124835>hatefulwhy do you think I'm hateful and anti history? Just because I believe the massive majority of trustworthy sources that say the Turks were responsible for the fire at Smyrna? or because I think an enforcement of the Treaty of Sèvres was a better way of dealing with the collapsing ottoman empire than what happened? or because I think that 450-750 thousand Greeks died due to Turkish actions admitted by the modern Turkish government?you're a fucking apologist for the worst of humanity, and hide your shit behind older apologists and accusations of hate.
>>6124881I realize these myths and lies are necessst for your sense of self worth but this is why we cannot live next to you, it is unsafe for us. You must change your attitude or Turkey will take measures to guarantee its national security.
>>6124879>What are you referring tothe source the page uses as reference Current History: Pub. by the New York Times Company, Volume 18 Pg. 319it didn't have the telegram, hence "no copy of the telegram provided" if you have a quote of the telegram, you should update the page.
>>6124840Okay but it is still Greek island.
>>6124896>I realize these myths and lies are necessst for your sense of self worth but this is why we cannot live next to you, it is unsafe for us. You must change your attitude or Turkey will take measures to guarantee its national security.your on your way out in NATO, and if you think the Russians are going to help if another crisis breaks out you're mistaken
>>6124933>>6124927This is not fair. Greeks are trolling irl.
>>6124952You keep pushing us and we want to live in peace. Why? If you agreed to allow mutual use zone in the Aegean it would be ok but you refuse.
>>6124393>Turks>an NavyNot since Lepanto retard. Roaches don't float.
>>6124980https://greekcitytimes.com/2018/06/07/turkish-navy-sets-up-warships-and-commandos-in-the-aegean/?ampGreeks are really worried.
>>6124993The political theory principles of self defense accommodates turkey’s claim to the Aegean. It is an indispensable sea lane for Turkey and an unstable nationalSecurity zone.
>>6124975>we invaded oppressed and killed for hundreds of years but your revenge was incomplete, why do you want the rest of your stolen territory back?>if you just let use use a bit of what you managed to take back would that be ok?
https://ahvalnews.com/aegean-dispute/greece-armed-forces-chief-threatens-flatten-aegean-islets-if-turkish-troops-landIs this considered aggression? Maritime law encourages a sharing of intersecting space — refused by Greece.
>>6125049So how are we supposed to have peace if you (and the vast majority of your countrymen) think like this?
>>6125061Just convert to orthodox Christianity and you can have all the peace you can get your hands on.
>>6125066No. I can tolerate atheists and Muslims and secular Jews. Not Christians, they are obnoxious and I feel angry at them for killing ancient civilization (burning the old libraries of Pergamum and Alexandria, and the Oracles).
>>6125058>invade other nation>other nation threatens to use force to keep you from doing itgenerally the one doing the invading (see: what the turks did in cyprus) as the aggressors>>6125071get fucked>>6125061Megali or bust
>>6123941>There are many threads on /his/>Better click on a Ottoman thread and complain about there being too many Ottoman threads
>>6125071>sperging about shit that happened before the Council of Nicea and hundreds of years before the first Turk breathed Anatolian air>meanwhile his Muslim brothers sack every relevant site in Syria todayLol its not like you have any reason to be mad at what happened in pergamum before the rise of the Byzantines.
>>6124412>IM IN TURKEY>NOW IM IN GREECE>NOW IM IN TURKEY>NOW IM IN GREECE
>>6125087I think they are sacking those sites to deprive the regime, YPG, and Americans of looting ability... that shit gets sold in Amsterdam or London and ends up all over, making billions for whoever controls it. They destroyed it rather than let the whites loot.
>>6125087I don’t want to become Christian I honestly can’t believe it I think it’s wrong and i would have to lie to myself.
>>6125093They literally said they are destroying it because it's haram. It was overseen by the Syrian regime and would be taken care of by any new secular Syrian government if the muzzies weren't hell bent on destroying it while building harems of child brides.
>>6125109The Syrian government is not above making billions by looting it or turning a blind eye.I know what they said but I think they say that about everything, I think they did it for this reason.
>>6125112>I think they did it for this reasonyes, because its against their religion
>>6125112Then why didn't they do it before? Oh wait because that's fucking retarded and they have all the money and bombs they need but insurrection is hard to squash in spite of it.
>>6124412Why not just replace the flag with a giant penis?The message would be the same.
>>6125227because a penis wouldn't hurt the turks to look at as much
>>6124652Yes we probably got lots of spies this way
>>6122362What this based anon saidAnd this >>6123050
So this is what roach tears taste like.
>>6125311Look fren we just want to live in peace. Greece is constantly provoking Turkey.
>>6125350Just give back constantinople and we can all get along.
>>6125362O-okay but Can 15,000,000 Muslims stay?
>>6125410What’s the population of Greece again?
>>6124133take a guess
Smyrna, Ayvalık and a whole lot of other coastal asia minor towns were majority greek up untill the 1920's when the Greek populations was genocided/kicked out. Yes to the victor goes the spoils, but Turkey now claims even Greek islands which de jure are part of the Greek state and don't have one Turk living in them, like Castelorizo. Pic very much related, Turks are lying and greedy bastards.
Turks should be given an Israel in the Altay, and kicked out of Anatolia.
>>6125633Not after how much blood we spilled for anatolia.
>ITT retards don’t understand how maritime borders, island claiming, and EEZs work, resorting to nationalistic sperging when they meet other retards who also don’t understand
Holy fuck lmao, why is the roach so butthurt today?
i think this board has so many muslim immigrants because they dont have to hide their flag and personality here
>>6124556most victims of the fire were christians and turkey is the only country known for hiring arsoniststhis is an underage turk in britain btw
>>6125695Not really. /Int is known to be a Turkish haven also
>>6125711i post on int mostlythere arent many because they cant hide their flagsand the turks in turkey are only trolls from reddit
>>6125714Why would they need to hide their flags?
>>6125720i guess youre white so you wouldnt understandits an asiatic thing
>>6125724I'm not wh*te. If my flag was shown I'd still be Turkish nationalist because everyone would assume I'm a Turk in Germany.
>>6125730>If my flag was shown I'd still be Turkish nationalist because everyone would assume I'm a Turk in Germany.the memes are true
Just wait until Golden Dawn gets in office.
>>6122252>maritime law and political theory.So it's a /pol/ thread?
>>6125749>Just wait until Golden Dawn gets in office.
>>6125689I would be butthurt if i was born a roach too
>>6125408Only if they convert.
>>6123616So do Turkey.
>>6125655>dood evry1 is stoop excep meEpic
>greek administrators and bureaucrats practically run the Ottoman empire >Turkish nationalism rises >greeks and other minorities get oppressed Hmm...
>>6124442I hope for further losses of territory by Turkey every day.
>>6124442Turkey is a non country anon, it should be partitioned.
>>6125689I think you’re the one whos butthurt
>>6125788>me in the back
>>6124442Nobody has any pity for Turkey, and they had even less after WW1. You’re lucky the entire country didn’t get partitioned.
>>6127682You're lucky other Europeans are saving your asses gayreek
>>6127709LOL I bet the other people who responded are all Greek too? I’m not Greek, your country is just genuinely not well liked by people in general.
>>6127709luck has nothing to do with it. :)we'll always help out our wee pal.
>>6127793>Gayreek diplomatic victory
>>6123050They've held it for so long whatever Christian culture that was there is gone now. And in modern times we can't claim a Casus Belli over territory.Everyone except for Israel of course, they get a pass just because.
>>6122390Existence of Turks is not fair to the world.
>>6127857>And in modern times we can't claim a Casus Belli over territory.Turkey is doing it in Syria.
>>6128146>SyriaNo such thing
>>6128185roach strikes again
>>6128204>>6128204>no Syria in history>created by colonial French >expects to be considered a real country
>>6124426Oh yeah? Tell me the difference between Gyro and Kebab, faggot.
>>6128245One is an authentic Ottoman Turkish cuisine and the other is a Turkish etymology stolen and ruined beyond repair by Gayreeks
>>6125788LMAO I KEK'D SO MUCHthat sack of shit looks like a fucking ape
>>6128245a kebab contains rancid meat and the previous 40 roasts juices (the amount of roasts since the last time the cart was seized due to health violations, 10 months ago)a gyro doesn't
>>6128388Why does all of Europe eat kebabs instead of gyros then?
>>6128388>gross gayreek filth stench reeking up the thread
>>6128399because Europe doesn't have mass Greek migration
>>6128417Yes it does.
>>6128423there are between 6-7 million Turks living abroad in Europe, there are about 1.2 million Greeks living abroad in Europeone of these is larger, and also rapes women on new years
>>6128196Damn, the average Turkish woman looks like THAT?
>>6128460Greeks are so fail that they can't even pack up and leave for a better country. Instead they sit unemployed in their debt ridden shithole that will never be able to pay it off.
>>6124442Yeah, why the fuck are Turks still tolerated?
>>6128563I mean how is turkey supposed to tolerate this Greek islet? It cannot. It must become Turkish.
>>6128497There's like ~3.5 million Greeks in the United States, Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
>>6129253And yet nobody in those countries eats the gyro. Gayreeks suck at food export.
>>6129290Gyros (and Greek food in general) are very popular in the USA, at least where I live. Even fast-food joints like Arby's have added them to the menu.
>>6125689jannies are too busy banning sneed in /tv/ to deal with roachposter, anon
>>6122397If we apply the Israeli standards then Syria/Yemen are next
>>6122252I totally agree with the Turks. Anyone wanting more than a fair share is a greedy cunt
This thread made me hate Greeks. There's nothing more I hate than extreme nationalism and forcing ones beliefs and religion down the throat of other people. Your country is not great. You're the crippled child of EU. Stop being obnoxious nationalists. In my head I compare you to the kkk
>>6130037fuck off turk
>>6130037>thread is literally a Turk crying over why some countries exist and aren't part of Turkey>ULTRANATIONALISTS! KKK!this is why nobody likes you roaches
>>6130037>Why aren't your islands, who are inhabited by Greeks anyway, a part of Turkey yet you fucking nationalists
>>6124442Then why the fuck is this allowed? Look how closer it is to us than Turkey. Give it back m8, don't be a close minded nationalist.
>>6122252>>6124072>Normally 6 miles from the coast but the coast of both sides is very close.>If Turkey presses 6 nautical miles, all your islands are ours.That's not how it works you ignorant fucking roach. Territorial waters are only 12 nautical miles when it's actual fucking water. When there's someone else's land within 24 nautical miles of the coast then the border is simply halfway between the two.
>>6128460Turks are the best on the statistics when it comes to integration and employment. There are tons of turkish vegetable markets everywhere, while other peoples just live on welfare. Turks are alright, they've got interesting history too.
>>6131846Germans and Dutch always bitch about you though
>>6131868yeah, unsurprisingly >>6131846 doesn't know what he's talking about. He's right that Turk's generally aren't welfare leeches, but integration? Even Turks from Turkey are usually horrified by how backwards, bigoted and isolationist the Turks in Europe are.
>>6124652A lot of Greeks did convert to Islam and were assimilated into the Turkish population.
>>6132074there were no Greeks in Anatolia. Just hellenized anatolians.
>>6132086Whatever helps you sleep at night, memhet.
>>6132086>Just hellenized anatolians.So Greeks
>>6132093Ancestry is a big taboo on Turkey. The goverment knows that Turks don't exist and they're all Greeks and Armenians and they try to hide it in fear of social unrest. Sometimes they go so far as to murder people who are researching their ancestry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL_PGjOL4v8
>>6132117imagine being a subhuman cracker who made all of these upif that's the case retard then why is it easily available to Turks who just need their ID to check their ancestry on the internet?You have 2 minutes to answer me or else i'll smash your white skull.
Turks outside of Turkey who are free to search their ancestry always get at least 40% Greek results. Of course, mostly women are taking the step to do a DNA test, men are afraid because of their fragile ego.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cmDWuyAH2s
>>6132123Ancestry tests are banned in Turkey like wikipedia.
>>6130037okay. thanks reddit
>>6132134>>6132138https://www.myheritage.com/ethnicitiesmyheritage says you're full of bullshitthis is why i hate your subhuman race. whites are subhumans and you should be dealt with.
>>6132104Why do you keep posting this? It doesn't have Greeks on it, only Cappadocian Greeks, which are actual Hellenised Anatolians and different from Greeks genetically. All it's showing is that Turks are roughly half way between native Anatolians and Turkic peoples. However, a significant minority of Turks do cluster between actual Greeks and Turks. These are the descendants of Greek converts to Islam. You can see this if you look at a PCA that features both Greeks and Turks. There will be the Greek and Turkish clusters, and then you'll see a smaller secondary cluster of outlier Turks stretched between the two.
>>6132150No those are actually Balkan Turks who are actually of Balkan origin nothing to do with Greeks who are armenians
>>6132148Have you done yours? Post Greek and Armenian results.
>>6132138>>6132148wh*toid gay-reek btfod
>>6132155https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226479-Turkish-GEDmatch-results-(Central-Anatolian)https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?224818-Western-Turks-GEDmatch-resultsNone of them get Greek
>>6132161This is a nationalist fomum and of course people will try to post what's convenient to them. Look at any random yt vid where Turks are taking ancestry tests and there's always a huge % of Greek in them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIJnQt6JIsg
>>6132184>HURRRRRRRR DURRRRRR XDDDDDDDDDDDDTheir kitnumber is writtenH079980Go check it on Gedmatch.By the way can we please rangeban crackers?
>>6132184>first guy posts scholarly sources>yeah but what about these youtube vids!!!???What did he mean by this?
>>6132152Turks cluster much, much closer to Armenians than Greeks do. Ironically, Turks and Armenians are practically genetically indistinguishable.
>>6132194This has no central asians.
>>6132192>scholarly sources>on a nationalist fomumkek dude why don't you bring me Erdogan as a source next
>>6132206http://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2015/02/18/015396.full.pdf>Previous genetic studies have generally used Turks as representatives of ancient Anatolians. Our results show that Turks are genetically shifted towards Central Asians, a pattern consistent with a history of mixture with populations from this regionhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4236450/>The weight for the migration event predicted to originate from the branch ancestral to East Asia (presumably Central Asia) into current-day Turkey was 0.217 (21.7%)http://etd.lib.metu.edu.tr/upload/12607764/index.pdf>Moreover, results pointed out that language (Turkish) in Anatolia might not have been replaced by the elites, but by a large group of people. Therefore, it can be concluded that the observations do not support the elite dominance model of Renfrew (1987 ; 1991).Now here's to shut your rapebaby ass uphttps://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?221002-Pontic-Greek-GEDmatch-result-Eurogenes-K159 93.8% Armenian + 6.2% Balkar @ 4.9910 94.3% Armenian + 5.7% Kabardin @ 5.0211 56.3% Georgian + 43.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.0712 95.7% Armenian + 4.3% Chechen @ 5.0813 80.9% Georgian_Jewish + 19.1% Abhkasian @ 5.114 78.3% Georgian_Jewish + 21.7% Georgian @ 5.1415 96.6% Armenian + 3.4% Kumyk @ 5.1716 97.4% Armenian + 2.6% Lezgin @ 5.1717 99.2% Armenian + 0.8% French_Basque @ 5.1918 99.1% Armenian + 0.9% Tabassaran @ 5.2119 100% Armenian + 0% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.2120 100% Armenian + 0% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.21Go back to Armenia
>>6132201That's irrelevant. It shows Turks, Armenians are Greeks relative to each other.
There's no such thing as Turks. It's a 20th century made up myth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2HTLpK3_50
>>613221620 100% Armenian + 0% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.21
>>6132215There were no "Greeks" in Anatolia.
They're either half Greeks or Kurdish/Iranian wtf?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuVSageBvrY
>>6132229Turks seething in the camments lmao>I never thought, that so many non-german speakers would watch my video.I also never thought, that this video could be so controversial, political, historical for many of you and offensive to my person. Many people got simply triggered. Calm down, guys! It’s just a video!>Some of you care more about MY results, as me. - But why?! I just watched a few videos about My Heritage and got into it. I don’t really care, that my ancestors are greeks or turkish or african or anything. I am what I am. So nobody should define himself or herself just from factors like nationality or ancestry. At least we all are 100% human being. Please be kind and respectful to each other. Thanks for 2000+ views. Love y’all!
>>6132229West Asian is based on Turks and Iranians. Low IQ hellenized arab.
Why does a half Greek and a half Italian get 55% Italian but no Greek
>>6124393Why are turks so pathetic
>>6124409Why dont all countries unify under one global state?
>>6128420>fetishizes Greek culture>insults Greeks What did Hitler mean by this?
>>6124420>different sky god>same cultureDibs Bedora xDDDD
>>6131891When you enter a different country with different culture and are perceived and treated as different, then you react by taking refuge in your external identity. I don't think it is strange that Turks identify to a greater extent with a nationalist idea of Turkey than they identify with their host country which looks down on them as secondary citizens. Probably also has some connection with the fact that the Turks that do move here are from poorer and more religiously charged regions.>but integration?Yes. Integration and assimilation are two different things. Turks participate in social discussions, they work, they study, they read (some of them) and so on, they learn the language (most of them). This is more than can be said of Pakis, Somali and Sudanese.>>6131868Germans bitch and moan, then they go shop in Turkish markets and eat Turkish fast food.>>6132117And we all know half of germans are actually slavs, nationality is something other than ethnicity.>hurr durr americans aren't akshually americanYes, acute observation.
>>6132241Well you only spam this guy for 2-3 years now but if you look at the Turk results they are literally all Greeks by some %https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FleEej9S57U
>>6132265this guy is half cypriot half americanbut yes he's more greek than 90% of Greece
>>6132267That makes zero sense, Greeks are still overwhelmingly European Greek
>>6132267And he's the same percent Greek as most Turks lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69k4X1D--kk
>>6132273>Greeks are still overwhelmingly European Greekdid you mean25% Hellenized Anatolian25% Syrian25% Armenian25% Albanian
>>6132274I google translate the comments they're so funny>Yunanlar denize dökülecek kadar aptal, ve güçsüz neden sevindin anlamadım?!?!>The Greeks are stupid enough to be cast into the sea, and I'm not sure why you're powerless!?!Why does a DNA tests get you so mad jeez
>>6132277No, I mean overwhelmingly European Greek. Sorry if this triggers you. Truly, I am.
>>6132274>Another DNA test reveals another Greek person. Are there any Turks in Turkey ?
I honestly don't know why we're arguing with this idiot. We should be encouraging him. The sooner Turks act on their over-inflated sense of self-worth, the sooner we can kick their shit in and take back Constantinople for Christendom.Bring it the fuck on, Turkroaches. Please, please, please try and take some of the Aegean islands from Greece.
>>6132278She's also a CypriotI don't understand why you retard are posting Cypriot results. Cypriots are also hellenized Arabs as can be seen from here>>6132238
>>6132262He thought the ancient Greeks were nordic unlike modern greece
>>6132276he probably meant WASP
>>6132238>Using modern ethnicities to describe Haplogroups/genetic markers etc.
>>6132282Cypriots are Greeks idiot
>>6126237This, Turkey should become part of Poland.
>greek gets dna test and finds out they're part turkish>devastated, their life is literally ruined >turk gets dna test and finds out they have some greek ancestry>overjoyed, best day of their life
>>6123050then why don't you fucking faggots fight for it? Oh yeah, you did. And you lost. To an occupied country. While you were backed by the victors of WW1. I think that's sufficient proof that God outright hates you.
This is getting monotonoushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWUyaRUI6cI
>Half Turk>29% Greekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqi8k0r_TRU
Turks are not sea people. They can consider themselves lucky they still have so many Greek cities like Bodrum Istanbul Izmir... The list is too long. Just a bunch of thieves
>>6132304>Half finnish>0.8% Finnishnice results you've got there
>>6122252This belongs on /pol/>please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years agoPolitical theory BY DEFINITION belongs on /pol/Don't try to circumvent shit by saying "muh discussion of maritime law"Yes, should we allow discussions of gun laws on /his/? After all, it's discussion of laws!
>>6132324To be fair the treaty took place after 1922
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