Why do we still let Westerners decide borders when it's been proven time and time again that they can't do it?Pic related: even in their own backyard, they manage to have the final say on borders that leave 50% of an ethnic group outside its boundary.
>>6120974Without westerners there would not be any Albania, but they would be given on mercy on Serbian and Greek ""friends""New age Albanian nationalism and extremism is cancer on balkan waiting to inginte new bloody balkan war
>Implying Albania deserves to exist at all
>>6121052Albania has more right to statehood than most of its neighbors considering they were actually relevant to world history in the last 300 years whereas Serbs or Montenegrins were basically fucking sheep in mountains.
>>6121072>implying there was a point in s*rb history where they didn't fuck pigs (or sheep under ottoman rule)
>>6121072>This is what Albanians actually believe
>>6121091This isn't /pol/, post arguments or concede.
>sheepherder inferior complexYes Albania has history, Yes albania is relevant, Yes albania is rich, No you will not get visa.
>>6121108I guess if you define "Albanian" to mean half of the balkans instead of actual Albanians you have a point.
>>6121072>posts a guy who wasn't even born there nor did his most famous deeds there.
>>6121132>Albania is rich>This is what Albanians actually believeAlbania is probably the only country in Europe poorer than some African countries.
>>6121108>Being this cuckedYou know your national hero fought against T*rks
>>6121145jebote miroslav, second part of post was sarcastic
>>6121138Anachronistic non-argument. "There" was a collection of sanjaks that belonged to a larger empire. He seized Egypt with an army of Albanians, slaughtered the Mamluks from world history, and marched up the levant and almost toppled the sultanate until the West intervened. What were neighbors doing at this time to impact world history? Herding sheep and getting down with pigs? Lel.
>>6121145>low iq balkan slav cannot detect sarcasmgrim
>>6121145>s*rb cant into sarcasm>implying any balkan country outside of croatia or slovenia is richer than africa
>>6121151Cucked to whom exactly? Ottoman does not imply ethnicity, it was a multiethnic dynasty of first class peoples. Ottoman does not imply ethnicity anywhere. It was not the TURKISH empire, it was the OTTOMAN empire (that is not to downplay creation and accomplishments from Turkic people)
>>6121159>>6121165>>6121172That isn't how sarcasm works.
>>6121177read the non quoted part as if you're a bored border patrol officer
Albanians are so fucking ridiculous. They hopped kinda late on the nationalist meme so they compensate by insane theories and extreme delusion. Not to mention their politics are even worse than Serbian...they are literally in conflict with all of their neighbors, they constantly provoke all of their neighbors, and they somehow believe Americans will let them conquer land and expel millions of people if they just suck their cock hard enough. Take Serbian sucking of Russian dick and multiply it by two and you get Albanians and USA. Ridiculous. >>6121162He didn't do shit in Albania, and he didn't do it for Albania or Albanians. It's like when people here take pride in Tesla even though he was schooled in Austria-Hungary and accomplished everything in America.
>>6121175yeah yeah bla bla bla, Who do you lie to?You took their (Turkish) religion, You took their (Turkish) culture. Other than language (which is heavly under turkish influence) there is no difference between Turk and Albanian, and you are even proud of that!
>>6121214can you do anykind of connection? Would there be Islam in Albania if not arrived from ottoman emipire?
>>6121189Serbs are a peasant people. I don't care how much of a grudge you might have against Albanians but comparing the two is frankly ridiculous. Albanians were governors and upperclassmen found in every corner of the empire while Serbs wallowed in shit in some backwards rural dump. Greeks and Armenians were also christians but found themselves in a similar tier to Albanians (not generals/soldiers/governors but merchants/diplomats). Serbian regions were just backwater and they were in Austria-Hungary too.
>>6121246>Serbs are a peasant peoplem8 albaniana were stucked in middle ages until 1988
Desu I can't imagine actually being a balkanoid. Imagine being a member of some irrelevant ethnicity that hasn't contributed anything to history and hating all the other irrelevant ethnicities in your area, even though you're all basically the same. Truly cringe and bluepilled.
>>6121264I'm talking about history as a whole, post-WW1 everything went to shit obviously.
Stay the fuck away you fucking sand-niggers. Albania is not your friend.
Stay. The. Fuck. Away. You. Arab. Fucks.
>>6121108>post argumentsHow about that the expanded borders in OP pic are someone else's rightful native land? Kosovo is undisputed Serbia, FYROM is Bulgar, and the southern regions Greek. You knockoff roaches should be lucky you have a country at all.
>>6121072the only relevant people that came out of the balkans (excluding greece) were tesla and princip. no one cares about your meme nation.
>>6121246If you want to talk about status and wealth in the Ottoman empire then you have to look at Jews, Greeks and Armenians, because they together comprised 80% of all direct investment, industry, trade and services in Constantinople. To the point where every single palace im Constantinople was designed by an Armenian, and 50% of industries were Greek owned.Albania had a disproportionately large number of viziers, but these people were delegated into power by the Ottomans, and they were loyal to the Ottomans, which is why Albania itself remained largely poor.Whereas Salonica was the most technologically advanced city in the Balkans after Constantinople. The Jews, Armenians and Greeks actually accumulated wealth for their own communities. For Jews Salonica was their capital, for Armenians the North-East was their homeland, for Greeks Constantinople was the capital of everything that mattered and then other port towns in the empire like Smyrna, Salonica and the islands. This accumulation of wealth lead to the establishing of churches and schools that the Ottomans didn't need to fund, so what you get is individuals like Zographos opening these big Greek speaking schools in the middle of Constantinople or Armenian architects funding massive churches and Jews opening banks.
>>6123300>Kosovo is undisputed SerbiaNot him but wut? Literally the opposite of undisputed and it is legally not a part of Serbia.
>>6124114Princip was a terrorist and Tesla was Austro-Hungarian, he wasn't from the Balkans.
Why are Slavs so nervous and insecure when we are mentioned?
>>6121108An I was thinking that FYROM wanting South Macedonia was the retardest thing in the Balkans and then this Albanian larper comes in and shows me a map were Epiro, Macedonia, West Tracia and even fucking Crete and part of Albania and then can claim the archivements of the people who lived there.Italians and Greek should had finish the job?
>>6121072>illyrian culture and language disappears after roman conquest>thousand years later it magically appears>WE WUZ ILLYRIANS N SHIET >so what did you do in the last thousand years>dunno, we were um... hiding in the mountainsVery rich coming from you sheep shagger
>>6120974This thread is a good reminder that the Middle East starts at the Danube.
>our borders must include every albanian even if it puts 6 gorillion greeks and serbs in itkys
The Jumma Buddhist Chittagong Hill Tracts was wrongly included in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) by Britain.
>>6126146Pic related in question is a picture of Rumelia not Albania, Albania was part of Rumelia. I thought this was a /his/ board.
>>6124476>ignoring the almost entire century of chimping out and trying to kill or persecute the Serbs out of Kosovo
>>6129635Albanians had like 400 years to evict the Serbs out of Kosovo and didn't do so. They didn't evict them in 1939-1944 either even though Serbs spent the entirety of the 20th century chimping out at Albanians. Serbs deserve much worse than they got, Albanians are pretty generous to allow Serbs to live in Kosovo in 2019.
>>6120974Half of Montenegro was inhabited by Albanians before they were mesizoized by slavshit migrants.
>>6121027Without Russia, England, France and Bavaria there would be no Serbia or Greece. Why are you gypsies coping so hard?
>>6129667>They didn't evict them in 1939-1944 eitherYou lying little shit, the Albanians joined the Axis and immediatelly started chimping out in KosovoAnd after the war the Socialist government didn't allow for Serbs to return to Kosovo in order to placate you animalsOfcourse it wasn't enough so Tito had to send his goons every decade or so to quel further chimpouts
>>6129705There were some reprisals in Kosovo but not even remotely with the intent of mass extermination like in Croatia. Albanians had a good 5 years to turn Serbs into fertilizer and they did not do it.
>>6126099They were our slaves. The name Serb comes from the word serv which was the original name of Serbs, closely related to Latin “Servus” or serve i.e slave. What happened to the balkans in the 19th century is akin to what happened to Haiti. Slaves rising up to overthrow their based masters. Fucking slaves.
>>6126146Are you implying that these regions should belong to modern Greeks who are basically fucking Armenians and arabs with our genes given via rape?
>>6129742Over 30 towns and villages were destroyed, all massacres that happened in Kosovo druing WW2 was Albanians attacking the Serbs
>>6129773>given via rapeCan this /pol/ meme fucking die alreadyPeople cannot be raped into existence
>>6129815Athens was an Albanian village in 1831, the rest of Greece was raped by Albanians and Slavs and then the English and Bavarians imported Armenians and Arab christians forming the basis of the modern Greek ethnicity.
>>6129809This was revenge for what Serbs did in 1912-1913 and the abuses thereafter. Although 230,000 Serbs died horrible deaths illegally crossing Albania in 1915 the Serbs deserved way more punishment from albanian militas.
>>6129825>People will think this post is satireWelcome to Albanian history
>>6129844All of it is true. Greeks aren’t descended from ancient Greeks if that’s what you’re denying.
>>6129809Ok, I understand, I didn't deny that was the case. I said it was not with genocidal intent. A few thousand Serbs were killed at max (probably less than 10,000). Serbs committed much worse atrocities against Albanians. Albanians have all the power in Kosovo today and STILL did not cleanse Serbs especially in the early 2000s when the world would have looked the other way.
>>6129844>we wuz ancient Greeks n’ shiieeetThe person that took that pic was a Greek fag. Why are Greeks so obsessed? I hate them more than Serbs.
>>6129866Nigger the population of Serbs in Kosovo has been decimated in the last 30 years How can you even type this shit out?
Time for some hardcore redpills
Erdogan doesn't want you to see this
>>6129885They left after they lost the war fearing vengeance, especially after the events of Oluja.>>6129908The one above is bait that one isn't, Sedefkar and Erkoy were both Albanians.
>>6129885They moved out of their own free will.
>>6129742>>6129809You two are acting as if Albania was independent during WWII. It was under Italian control from 39-43, and 43-44 under German control.
>>6120974Jedan sljadoljed molim. Hvala.
>>6129908Ataturk wasn't Albanian he was a Jew
>>6121108Literally everyone can WE WUZ GREAT PASHAS,BEGS,AGAS AND VIZIERS AND SHIET
>>6120974Albania shouldn't have gotten anything more of Greece, infact it should have been the other way around
>>6124371>Lika>not in the BalkansAlbanian Intellectuals
>>6124476>thousands of yearsAre you retarded? Even the Turks ruled Kosovo longer than the Serbs
>Why do we still let Westerners decide bordersbecause they conquered you.wow that was hard.
>>6120974If it wasn't for Westerners, the Ottoman Empire would have become the Egyptian Empire because Muhammad Ali was dabbing on the Sultan's ass. Westerners had the final say because they were the focus of the balance of power in the world.
>>6129852>>6129879OH NO NO NO NOhttps://www.thenationalherald.com/181104/modern-greeks-dna-similar-mycenaeans-minoans-study-finds/