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Post red head and blonde mummies or remains from all over the world ITT.

Ramses II, Egypt, 1213 BC.
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>>5950841
There aren't that many.
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>>5950841
The study that said that Ramses was redhair also claimed that he was a berber, aka a native north african.
Modern berbers have as much as 5% redhairs.

Why do people who post about Ramses being redhair forget to mention that he is a north african redhair?
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>>5950841
There aren't any more
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>>5950861
His head looks like an ethiopian or a somali
Is this the afroasiatic phenotype?
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>>5950961
yes it does looks berberid

some east africa have this shape too, expect that their skin is darker
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>>5950856
I would like to examine what we have

>>5950861
>implying "north african" aka berebers are not high likely related to IE or some other aryan looking population.

>>5950889
grow up, you are no better with your actitude

>>5950944
wrong

Here we have another Egyptian red haired mummies.

>Fagg El Gamous (translated Way of the Buffalo) is an ancient Egyptian cemetery located in the Faiyum Governorate dating from the 1st to the 7th century AD,
the period of Roman rule in Egypt.

>In 1988 it was noted by the researchers that the graveyard contained an unexpected number of blondes amongst the naturally mummified bodies, as well as
oddities in tooth decay amongst the buried; "Of those whose hair was preserved 54% were blondes or redheads, and the percentage grows to 87% when light-brown
hair color is added". In 2014 it was revealed that burials seem to be clustered by hair-colour, those with red-hair are in one area, those with blonde hair in another.


Btw how many red haired asians and africans do you know? Let that sink in...
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>>5952080
Egypt is still Africa, like it or not
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>>5952080
>imagine being dead and preserved in a doggy style position for all eternity
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>>5952093
Finns are in Europe, doesn't stop them from being Mongols
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>>5952093
lmao, and how many red heads do you know form there?
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>>5952102
Malcolm X had red hair, didnt stop him from being black
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>>5952101
kek
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>>5952107
>MALCOM X WUZ EGYPTIAN PHAROAH
see how that feels stupid nigger?
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>not a single WE yet
I'm dissapoint
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>>5952107
Malcom X was a white rapebaby like all ""Afro"" Americans.
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>>5952147
Why is she so smug?
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>>5952175
Yes,the indigenous Egyptians would have been black before mixing.
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>>5952188
idk, but that's pretty funny, I guess it felt good being a red head surrounded by shit skins

>pleas stop you have skin cancer
kek
>>5952194
>source: my ass
well at least you admit there were IE related ancestry in ancient Egypt at some point
>implying these mummies were black
probably not, you know? not so many blacks with red hair, and they would still retain their afro-like textured hair, which this mummies clearly don't
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Deal with it niggers and kikes.
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It stands to reason, white people come from europe where there isnt much sun, and have pale skin

Black people come from Africa which has plenty sun and so they have dark skin
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R1b is the Celtic haplogroup.

N*rdoids had nothing to do with these people.
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>>5952241
White people is a mixture between Neolithic indigenous population, Indo Europeans and midle easterns in the south of europe.

Indo Europeans ocupied land in north africa, midle east, Chad, East Europe, and Asia, some even say they reached the americas. So yeah, these red headed and blond mummies you see here were more than likely related to IE people.
>>5952257
I agree with you mostly, notice how I never claimed they were nordic. But to put it that way Nordics and Celtics are related, and were some times mixed and cohabitating.
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>>5952241
Black skin is literally useless and harmful. Without Caucasoid white skin, you're always ill due to lack of Vitamin D.
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>>5952080
do you have a source for the cemetary claims? preferably with a citation to a study confirming those claims?
>>5950861
Ramses wasn’t berber, North africans can have red hair its just extremely rare. Though at this point in Egyptian history intermarriage with Libyans and Semites was quite common.
>>5952147
not a europid skull
>>5952212
source
>>5952216
source
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>>5952216
these are all dyed, including Ramses you stupid fucking nigger
>>5952212
hair dye
>>5952203
hair dye
>>5952147
hair dye
>>5950841
hair dye

god i hate we wuzz’ing
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>>5952282
>>>5952212 (You)
>source
it's right in the filename of the pic in this one

>>5952290
>source: my ass
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>>5952282
>>5952290
cringe
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>>5952282
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagg_El_Gamous
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>>5952291
They’re all hair dyed you stupid fuck and you didn’t provide a single source fuck off you insect
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>>5952306
I did, read the thread.

Now let's move to Tarim Basin for more red headed mummies
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>>5952306
Ramesses II had red hair you moron
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>>5952282
Redhair north african isn't extremly rare, it's more common than most of europe.

t. have at least 5 redhairs in my family
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>>5952311

>>5952325
But you think it might be related to IE admixture, right?
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>>5950841
racewanking needs to be purged
awful /pol/ and /int/ obsession
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>>5952312
No one has proven that the hair is naturally red in any of these mummies at all and the cemetary is from post-ptolemaic period well after a huge influx of foreign genetics
>>5952325
it is very rare
>>5952338
Berbers don’t have significant IE admixture.
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>>5952346
Dude nothing wrong with trying to find up what our ancestors were up to thousands of years ago... on the history board...
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>>5952353
>Berbers don’t have significant IE admixture.
I've heard this a million of times, yet I don't believe it one bit.
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This woman is so nordic
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>>5952354
they aren’t your ancestors
>>5952356
yes, stupid religious people tend to not believe evidence indefinitely or until its socially inconvenient to deny it any longer
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>>5952353
some decades old estimates give something around 4% in some berbers regions, wich is more than almost any european country. If it was very rare, there wouldn't be a "rouji" in every classroom and there would be no specific stigma toward redhairs

Redhairs existed in ancient and medieval north africa as well.
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>>5952366
If they aren't IE why the hell do they look IE then? Doesn't make any sense. Nazis classified them as Aryan btw, so there is that.
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>>5952368
that’s a lot higher than i expected but maybe it makes sense of its an older early middle eastern farmer basal eurasian trait. its still well below ireland where >10% of people are redheads. And its not from indoeuropean admixture. It just reinforces that most of the red and tawny hair is probably from indigenous genetics and the cemetary is probably a mixing of recessive indigenous and foreign gene flow
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>>5952385
They don’t look IE
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American mummy, to end on a high note.
http://curvetube.com/momias_incas_peru_inca_mummies_peru/5O1CzWHx7xg.video
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>>5952356
Prove it then
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>>5952396
>>5952405
I can't but I have my own opinion, these people are IE, PIE or ANE related.

https://amazighworldnews.com/celtic-amazigh-berber-connection/
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>>5952397
aryan niggers will go as far as to claim indians were also originally "muh nordics" so no point even trying
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Why are white people so insecure that they try to lay claim to literally any human achievement no matter where or when?
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>>5952353
fuck off shitheel, it's common knowledge that Ramesses II had red hair

you will never quibble mummies with brown hair, or say it could be dyed that way
you will always attribute blonde hair in mummies to hair dye or bleaching

as if it was impossible for ancient peoples to have been naturally light haired
you're not convincing, very transparent
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>>5952468
Well, it's about mummies. If there are red head mummies everywhere that should mean something.

>>5952488
Idk man, just look at those red head mummies, no one claimed anything, just see for yourself.
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it's possible for non-IE people to have red or blonde hair
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About Bereber's tongue.

>What was the reason for the unusual friendliness of these wild Berber tribesmen towards a shipwrecked sailor? One of the first steps towards amity between strangers is a knowledge of each other’s languages and that is what most probably saved MacDowall. You may wonder how he knew the Berber tongue! As he was an expert in metalwork, he was most likely a passenger on the shipwrecked vessel and not one of the crew, as his calling was not of very much use for employment in a wooden ship; therefore it was unlikely that he gained a knowledge of their language by previous contact with them as a sailor. Besides, the language of the sea-ports in thatpart of the world was Arabic, which is entirely different to the native Berber tongue known as “Shluh” . The explanation may lie in the following extraordinary statement which was made by Colonel W.G. Macpherson of the Army Medical Corps. …….. “When I was in Morocco City in 1891. I met a Gaelic-speaking missionary doctor who had come out there and went into the interior, where Shluh is the language spoken in the Sous country, just as it is the language of the Cis-Atlas country. He told me that the words seemed familiar to him, and after listening to the natives speaking among themselves found they were speaking a Gaelic dialect, much of which he could follow. The medical missionary told me he recognized the Shluh language as Celtic.

>>5952501
I'm pretty sure red hair comes straight from IE-PIE-ANE exclusively.
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>>5952491
no one has ever actually tested Ramses hair to see if its died or extracted dna and analyzed it to see if he had red hair alleles. no one has done the same for any of these mummies, its entirely possible for middle eastern and north african populations to have had low incidence rates of red hair. the egyptians depict their entire population including elites with black hair and tanned skin. you aren’t even vaguely interested in the biology or population dynamics of ancient egypt you’re just we wuz’ing and wasting time you probably haven’t read a single book on ancient egyptian history or spent more than 10 minutes in a museum looking at their art and architecture, fuck off faggot.
>>5952468
The Aryans were europids and may have had light features semifrequently they weren’t brown, weren’t indigenous to South Asia and violently subjugated the Dravs and Australoids. Get over it.
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Egyptian population was Mediterranean (probably best example would be modern Syrians or Lebanese), while royalty was mostly of Indo-European origins (hence blue eyes, fair hair, etc)..
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>>5952518
And Asia. But let's face the fact, what are the chances all these mummies have dyed hair, it makes no sense. I mean there is a chance, but I don't see it, I see it more as it was their natural hair.
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>>5952530
>while royalty was mostly of Indo-European origins (hence blue eyes, fair hair, etc)
Fuck off with this faggot we wuzzery
First of all there is no evidence for indo european ruling class in egypt and second PIE had dark features
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>>5952518
>The Aryans were europids and may have had light features semifrequently they weren’t brown, weren’t indigenous to South Asia and violently subjugated the Dravs and Australoids. Get over it.

nice nordic larp, how does it feel that your race hasn't accomplished shit and relied solely on Mediterraneanianid and Orientalid accomplishments
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>>5952530
This is what I feel like was the case, but with IE rulers just in a particular period of time. I wonder why aren't the academics catching up on this.
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>>5952532
The mummification process dyes the hair
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>>5952518
read another book, dumbfuck
this isn't even controversial, you just hate the idea of ancient peoples being anything other than two shades of brown
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>>5952514
My Gaelic is a bit rusty can you pls translate this text for me.
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>>5952497
>Well, it's about mummies. If there are red head mummies everywhere that should mean something.

pretty sure i'm 100% nigger without wh*toid mix and i have red hair lmao
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>>5952542
> blonde hair and blue eyes
> no evidence reee

Clearly he was an Afrekan Kang.
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>>5952556
maybe, maybe not
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>>5952565
yeah right
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>>5950841
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DS-ngVWge4&list=WL&index=14&t=90s

>implying Egyptians were 100% Nordic Aryan
Checks out.
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>>5952574
Please give me the evidence that ancient egypt had a solely blonde haired blue eyed ruling class and that they were indo european
Most of the art I've seen depicts typical MENA phenotypes
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>>5952556
then why don't all mummies have blonde hair?
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>>5952591
>Atlantean gardens
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>>5952602
The mummification process hasn't always been the same and show me mummy with black hair
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>>5952596
>people were darkies
>Gods had blue eyes
Just as it was, it is.
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>>5952518
How does it feel, Neandernigger northern Europoors, knowing that you'll forever be indebted to the greatest Empire this world has ever known and all your societal templates have been pale imitations of Aryan/Iranian glory?

You are so crippled with insecurity over the fact your not even human Nordic shit nigger race hasn't accomplished shit that you've even taken to appropriating our names. You are such animals without identity that the mere thought of any civilization not consisting of Nordic neanderthal apes makes you quiver in your boots.

Neanderniggers have never, and will never be Aryans.
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>>5952596
>b-but the art!!1!!!!11
art doesn't indicate ancestry, hair color does though, until we got DNA testing... we'll see
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>>5952591
>Brahmins, Pithagorian, Chaldian?
>India, Greece, Babylone

Stop I can only get so erect!
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>>5952591
This is precisely what I like to believe.
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>>5952607
easy
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>>5952608
Which gods?
>>5952615
>art doesn't matter
So rhe colour choice was just random?
So 1/100 pharaohs had red hair therefore nordics ruled ancient egypt
Are you retarded or trolling?
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>>5952631
Ugh me too, and it's been over 4 hours
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>>5952641
you and I both know the art of ancient Egypt was specifically stylized

Akhenaten for example famously changed the rules concerning the depiction of women
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>>5952641
He is a Vargtard who believes Neanderthal Nordics existed during the glory days of Ramses II.

Also, >>5952608
Blue eyes were rare in those times and Egyptians just had a boner for anything blue in general. Just because they like a rare characteristic, or a rare colour, doesn't mean they were Nordic alienids. Occham's razor.
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>>5952591
>Hyksos
hhhmhhh
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>>5952649
>you and I both know the art of ancient Egypt was specifically stylized

If Egyptians were Nordic. they literally depicted themselves as niggers then considering the Egyptian "stylized" art style was literally meant to imitate negroid features.

Nordic LARPers, how does it feel that in your hypothetical wet dream fantasy, your ancestors literally wanted to be idealized as black people and semites?
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>>5952649
You know there are actual genetic studies on ancient Egyptians showing affinity with modern levantines
Genetics and art has debunked nordicist wewuzzery
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Take that
https://uk.reuters.com/article/oukoe-uk-britain-tutankhamun-dna/half-of-european-men-share-king-tuts-dna-idUKTRE7704OR20110801
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>>5952650
>Occham's razor
Is this:>>5952631

Buddha was recorded as having blue eyes. And yes they used Turquoise gems, but out of all the other gems they used and other colors, why didn't they make their God's eyes something that wasn't blue? Just seems like quite a leap.
>>5952653
>Hyksos
Equally baste.
>>5952657
And this is the whole point that went over his head.
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>>5952657
>they literally depicted themselves as niggers then considering the Egyptian "stylized" art style was literally meant to imitate negroid features.
Then why did the God's become more stylized with white features?
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>>5952668
Half of Europe was also raped by Arabs and Moors (who are far more likely candidates for that DNA) throughout all of history post year 700.
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>>5952673
>Then why did the God's become more stylized with white features?

I mean at least you're honest about furries being a white culture thing.
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>>5952673
Tell me all about Europeans with dogs for heads
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>>5952641
>b-but the art
probably a choice to try to avoid the swarthy masses, y'know?
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>>5952669
>>Occham's razor
>Is this:>>5952631

If you're a nigger and at one point your great great something R haplogroup fucked a negress, you could still be black as coal and carry R haplogroup.
Haplo larping proves nothing especially when half the R haplogroup carriers don't even look white. People fucked a lot back then, we even fucked Neanderthals.
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>>5952687
>probably
This is some serious cope
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>>5952674
>England
>raped by moors
nice asspull, nigger
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>>5952688
>your great great something R haplogroup fucked a negress
Baste.
>we even fucked Neanderthals
>"we"
You mean people north of the equator, aka whitoids and azns.
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>>5952694
You have nigger drawings, we have blonde and red head mummies, deal with it
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>>5952723
>genes
>science
>actual empirical hard evidence
>Bah, back to /pol/ with you!
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>>5952699
Did you even read the article.
>inb4 spanish aren't patrilineally descended orientalids and moor clusterfuck rapebabies
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>>5952723
You have a handful of red haired mummies whereas we have genetic studies, the rest of the mummies and art
Are you fucking retarded
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>>5952743
>60% of French
>moor descendents
yeah, right
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>>5952751
>he thinks "Med" is a race
>doesn't know that ancient Iberians were Celtic
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>>5952751
Based Orientalidposter
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>>5952751
Just because some mummies weren't IE doesn't mean the red heads and blondes aren't, just a thought, nigger
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>>5952758
the average frenchman has a distinctly different appearance from the average nordic. ramses could've been a lot of ethnicities, but far be it from empirically true that he's nordic because of r1a especially when half the r1a carriers look like semitic mutts
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>>5952767
>some
All you fucktard
Egypt didn't speak an IE language until Alexander the great. Even then they were just IE speakers and not pure yamnaya
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>>5952758
>these africans are "white" according to neandernigger larpers
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>>5952807
>what is non nigger looking hair?
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>>5952743
> Up to 70 percent of British men and half of all Western European men are related to the Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamun, geneticists in Switzerland said.

>moors
>England
pick your brain out of your ass
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>>5952815
literally 2/3 of those images are prime black hair and the first one is also far from rare in africans you neandernigger larper
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>>5952784
>Egypt didn't speak an IE language
Cucked and bluepilled.
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>>5952818
>atlantids aren't med rape babies who intermingled with the rest of britain

lmao
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>>5952532
why so you keep spamming asiatic europids when i already told you they are Tocharians who were light featured Europid Indo-Europeans? why the insecurity?

I doubt most of them were actually light haired but its possible because North africans and middle easterners infrequently do have light hair and its probably an indigenous pheno as neanderthals were found all over eurasia and north africa not just in Northern Eurasia. Many of them like Yuya look dyed, Ramses needs to be tested and we need more genetic evidence. Ive never seen a single study linking Egyptids with IE’s they all group with Semites other ME populations, Berbers and Nubians.
>>5952549
shut the fuck up shitskin, Europid doesn’t mean nordic. my ancestors had civilization for thousands of years before germanics and nordids
>>5952614
those are europid phenos, they don’t look like Dravidians at all.
>>5952668
Yes because he had EEF ancestry which comes from Anatolia, all caucasoids have that admixture, including Jews, Indians, Basque
>>5952764
there’s no such thing as Armenoids or Orientalids. Coon was precocious but a retarded sperg.
>>5952807
back migrations and gene flow from north africa.
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>>5952784
>conveniently forgets the fact that there are plenty of IE looking mummies
ok retard
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>>5952818
We already covered that. Moors had whitoids and red hairs among them in low numbers. Please read the thread before posting. And before you start to argue, slam that backspace because I'm not the person you're responding to.
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>>5952819
>what is non nigger looking hair
c'mon, see if the mummies have that same kinf of hair
pro-tip: they don't plus you are a retard and a nigger
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>>5952827
>those are europid phenos, they don’t look like Dravidians at all.

europid =/= nordic as you said yourself. most caucasians qualify as europid and i've never argued for dravidian or negroid "aryans", i'm not under the false impression that aryans are not caucasian, not nordic however. so we're not in disagreement per se.
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>>5952826
pic related, typical med-egyptian, according to you
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>>5952834
this is literally straight hair and could at best grow out to be wavy, i've seen it in many blackies.

>muh straight hair is empirical evidence of nordics
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>>5952839
you know what, this living mummy has me convinced. i rest my case. nordicniggers are indeed living mummies.
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>>5952831
Like?
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>>5952668
>being the son of this literal intersex tranny obama looking alien nigger
>wh*Tes unironically think you're wh*Te because of r1a
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>>5952822
Fucking retard
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>>5952881
its R1b but R1b is also found in central Africa among Chadic speakers who are very much black.
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>>5952881
>R1a
R1b, which doesn't make much sense and he probably wasn't R1b anyway.
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>>5952311
>Iranian peoples distantly related to Germans and Celts are red heads
Are you going to claim the Chinese were white or something?
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>>5952827
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>>5952421
You do realize that even Abbos can have blonde hair as kids, right?
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>>5952919
>Are you going to claim the Chinese were white or something?
they already claimed american indians wuz aryanz and shiet so at this point it wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination.
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>>5952881
We have haplogroups of two pharaohs. Both don't make much sense, so I think they just fucked up. None of these mummies were tested by Reich laboratory or other competent scientists.
Tutankhamun was supposedly R1b-M269, typical Western European Y-DNA, while Ramesses III was E1b1A (yes, a, not b) which is common in West Africans, but very rare in North Africa or the Middle East.
These results show that Egyptians would be ruled either by whites or the blackest of blacks. It's absurd.
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>>5952934
amerindians are partialy proto aryans
they are 30% ancestral north eurasians and 70%paleoasians
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behold, the great white origin of r1a

r1a origins were neanderthal-esque turkic mongolians from russia who then proceeded to spread everywhere. thus nordics are a watered down version, but so are iranians. both nordics and iranians are known to express mongolian features from time to time without any reason to do so, especially in the case of nordics since they weren't raped by mongol hordes.
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>>5952962
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>>5952962
So I guess Siberians are the purest Aryans because they have more ANE ancestry than any Europeans? They don't speak Indo-European languages, though.
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>>5952962
GET THAT NAZI OFF MY SCREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>5952968
so ancestral north eurasians were protocaucasoid
in k7 they are 55%wh 30%south asian hg and 15% north east asians hg
but the ane from what aryan descend afontova gora is even more linked to euro hg
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>>5952973
I wonder how many times moronic brainlets will post this map. It's like talking to literal retards. You can show studies, explain that this is European subclade and comes from the colonists - nope, a fucking idiot will post it again the next day.
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>>5952993
i mean you're talking to historical revisionists lol
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>>5952978
relax
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>>5952993
shut up and learn
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>>5953009
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jan/03/ancient-dna-reveals-previously-unknown-group-of-native-americans-ancient-beringians
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>>5953009
Learn what? Made up nonsense?
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>>5952847
cool, now dna test this kid
top kek
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>>5952854
see the whole thread bro
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>>5953010
So?
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>>5952881
>>wh*Tes unironically think you're wh*Te because of r1a
>implying you haven't white admixture if you have R1a
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>>5953024
There is no such thing as 'IE'-looking mummies.
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>>5953029
would explain the tranny in akhenaton since trannyism is a wh*Te disease
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>>5952962
>>5952999
Based and redpilled, this guy knows what's up, I wish nazis didn't make the swastika a hate symbol, I wish I could wear swastika t-shirt
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>>5953024
So they looked like this?
If you ask me they look quite semitic/armenoid/north african
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>>5953058
>I wish nazis didn't make the swastika a hate symbol, I wish I could wear swastika t-shirt
same anon, same
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>>5952986
Caucasoid existed long before ANE, Proto-Caucasoid WAY BEFORE ANE's ancestors.
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>>5953058
True, this symbol first appeared in pre-IE societies such as Bulgarian Old European cultures. Steppoids appropriated it like everything else.
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>>5953077
This is the first pre IE swastika I know of it is from 6.000-5.000 BC, you got any older ones?
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>>5953085
There aren't any older ones. There are similar symbols in other Neolithic pottery (not on Indo-European pottery, though).
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>>5952952
We don't have haplogroups from the Pharaos. The study about Ramses III was not peer-reviewed i.e. it is dogshit, and the rumor about Tutankhamun being R1b is based on nothing. So far, we have 3 Egyptian samples: two J1, one E-V22.
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>>5953099
I agree.
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>>5953099
>The study about Ramses III was not peer-reviewed i.e. it is dogshit, and the rumor about Tutankhamun being R1b is based on nothing.

im on your side in this but you might wanna proof the concreteness of that statement by showing the actual absence of peer-reviewing and even research in the case of the latter.
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>>5953113
I don't know if it was peer-reviewed, but it was conducted some time ago, and wasn't even the goal of this study. There is also no autosomal DNA and it was published in some minor magazine.

Tutankhamun having R1b is based on a screen from the Discovery Channel documentary.
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>>5953099
at last somebody with some sense ITT
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>>5953130
>Tutankhamun R1b
if that were true that'd be huge
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>>5953140
according to >>5952668 it's supposedly a thing although i'm calling bullshit lmfao as >>5953130 pointed out, also, thank you for clarifying
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>>5953140
I don't think so. It's possible that the New Kingdom was started by some foreigners. This is post-Hyksos invasion, old dynasties from the Middle Kingdom either died out or stopped being relevant.
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>>5953095
There is this, also from Bulgaria.

I personally don't understand this obsession with swastika and I think that 19th century wewuzing is to blame for all this nonsense surrounding this simple symbol.
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>>5953212
c'mon now
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>>5953212
>>5953227
the swastika is a very primitive symbol honestly, it's literally just a variation on a cross with a few extra arms. i have scribbled swastikas when i was younger without even realizing they were a thing, which unfortunately got me into some dire trouble in elementary at the time lol

basically
>"ok but.. what if its.. this shape.. but with a few extra shapes attached :Ddd"
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>>5953227
Now do the same for other symbols - circle, square, cross and so on.
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>>5953240
you could argue about the cross, but no, they aren't the same. Plus if you look closely, you can see migration patterns there... I know this gets you all upset and all, but you can trace lines from point to point and it would make sense.
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>>5952216

Holy shit, David Duke time traveler on bottom right.
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>>5953251
Yes, I see a migration pattern. Oh wait, I don't. What connects Neolithic Bulgaria, Indus Valley (pre-Aryan invasion) and Aztecs?
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>>5953283
R haplogroup...
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>>5953291
Put a bullet in your brain.
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>>5953296
you don't like facts huh?
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>>5953236
and yet it is not culturally ubiquitous, in the global sense. Why?
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>>5953313
What facts? Where is Yamnaya swastika? Amerindians don't have haplogroup R, they ar either C or Q (including all the ancient samples we have - and we have around 70). What R in ancient Sumeria?
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>>5953340
Well, you must include trade routes influence in the spreading of the symbol, you see?
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>>5953340
>Amerindians don't have haplogroup R

https://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdf/S0002-9297(07)62016-3.pdf

>The high frequency of haplogroup P-M45* in the Chipewayan (63%; fig. 2) also makes it unlikely that all these chromosomes result from admixture, since such a predominant European ancestry seems inconsistent with the preservation of the cultural identity of this population. A high level of European ancestry in the Chipewayan is also likely to introduce other lineages that are common in Europe (such as DE-YAP* and Y*; fig. 2). However, these were not observed in our sample or in the populations examined by Lell et al. (2002).

>By comparison, the lineage distribution in South Amerinds is more consistent with a low level of admixture: other than P-M45*, haplogroups Y*, DE-YAP*, and E-M2 (common in Europe and Africa) are also observed in some of the populations examined (fig. 2). Thus, although some of the P-M45* chromosomes found in South Amerinds seem to be of nonnative origin, it is doubtful that the same applies for a large fraction of those observed in the Chipewayan. In fact, the prevalence of major Y lineages in the Chipewayan (including an elevated frequency of P-M45*) is typical of some central Siberian populations (such as the Selkup, Yakut, and Kets), as illustrated by the close affinity of these populations in the principal-component analysis shown in figure 3.

>Our findings therefore support the proposal of Lell et al. (2002) that a fraction of the haplotype 3–related P-M45* chromosomes observed in Native North Americans originated in Asia and are not the result of recent admixture with Europeans.

...
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>>5953340
>>5953376

>our findings indicate that Y-chromosome diversity in the Chipewayan contrasts markedly with that observed in South Amerinds, in showing a haplogroup distribution similar to that observed in some central Siberian populations (fig. 3) and the presence of (i) the RPS4Y711 mutation, (ii) differentiated Q-M242* haplotypes, and (iii) P-M45* lineages of Asian origin. The last two observations could underlie the pattern observed by Lell et al. (2002) that led to their proposal of the M45b sublineage. These findings strongly support the notion of a different ancient demographic history for Native North and South Americans and are more simply explained by the recent arrival of new Asian migrants into North America, as suggested by ...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC384887/

>These data suggest that Native American male lineages were derived from two major Siberian migrations. The first migration originated in southern Middle Siberia with the founding haplotype M45a (10-11-11-10). In Beringia, this gave rise to the predominant Native American lineage, M3 (10-11-11-10), which crossed into the New World. A later migration came from the Lower Amur/Sea of Okhkotsk region, bringing haplogroup RPS4Y-T and subhaplogroup M45b, with its associated M173 variant. This migration event contributed to the modern genetic pool of the Na-Dene and Amerinds of North and Central America.
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>>5953379

The second cluster of M45 haplotypes (subhaplogroup M45b) encompassed all of the Y chromosomes harboring the M173 variant and was found in the Lower Amur and Kamchatka Regions of eastern Siberia. These haplotypes were shared with Native Americans from North and Central America but not with those from South America, with one exception, a South American Wapishana. Hence, the M45b subhaplogroup is defined by both the M173 variant (designated by an asterisk [*]) and distinctive microsatellite alleles (fig. 3).

>Thus, the M45 haplotype associations between Siberia and the Americas indicate two distinct migrations. The Middle Siberian subhaplogroup M45a was the progenitor of the initial Amerind migration to the New World, whereas the eastern Siberian subhaplogroup M45b was among the progenitors that contributed to a second migration that contributed to the North American Na-Dene and adjacent Amerind populations.
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>>5953113
My bad. It was indeed peer-rivewed, or at least, quoted and used as reference in other studies.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233941674_Revisiting_the_harem_conspiracy_and_death_of_Ramesses_III_anthropological_forensic_radiological_and_genetic_study
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>>5953356
Yes, very complex trade routes between hunter-gatherers. So ANE invented swastika (no swastika found in Malta Buret graves), then it spread to Ukraine (Mezine swastika), then Ukrainians forgot about swastikas for the next 10,000 years. Then people from Anatolia started using swastika in the Balkans. This apparently made the steppe people remember that 10,000 years ago they made one artifact with a swastika and it became a really important symbol for them. They still waited some 3000 years to start using it in the Iron Age (no swastikas in Khvalynsk, Sredny Stog, Yamnaya, Catacomb, Corded Ware and so on).
Brilliant, everything supports the ancient ANE symbol theory.
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>>5953376
Yes, a study from 2002, amazing. Seems like even haplogroup R wasn't a thing yet.
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>>5953340
I have Scythian Swastika though >>5953058
, and if you digg enough I'm pretty sure you'll find Yamna related Swastikas, see Tarim Basin swastika.
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>>5953420
a subset of native American R1 is not the result of
not the result of recent admixture with Europeans

deal with it
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>>5953406
YOu have a point, the oldes swastika I know of is from 5.000 BC >>5953085
Idk, but somehow this shit expanded all the way to america, to understand what happened we'd need a full map with swastikas and their dates, nobody has done that as far as I know, but who knows. I'm sure if you lay the pieces on the map with their dates a migration process would appear.
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>>5953434
>when you rekt the anti IE whinny shills
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>>5953424
That's Iron Age.

>Tarim Basin swastika
Is it even real? All I see is one and the same picture of this one pot. This is still some 1000 years after Yamnaya.

Amazing, Basques are 87% R1b. I'm sure this means it's their original haplogroup. 100% Micmac (one man) surely convinced me.
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>>5953465
>Is it even real? All I see is one and the same picture of this one pot. This is still some 1000 years after Yamnaya.
I can't find a reliable source for it, but I'm assuming it is legit, idk.
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>>5953465
>That's Iron Age.
so befor colonists
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>>5953497
I was talking about the Scythian swastika.
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>Yet another Indo-European/haplomeme WE WUZ thread.
When will you faggots leave? The only way your pathetic threads survive is with autistic bumps and by baiting people to the extreme.
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>>5953507
Nobody docummented swastikas the way they deserve to be docummented, that is with a world map with dates and names of the cultures, until then we can only speculate.
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>>5953528
I'm tempted to do it myself desu, I sort of have the knowledge for it, I lack the data though.
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>>5953528
We can. And I speculate that many swastikas (outside of the Hindu/Indian/Aryan ones) are unrelated to each other.
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>>5953543
>And I speculate that many swastikas (outside of the Hindu/Indian/Aryan ones) are unrelated to each other.
I can understand that, and tbqh it's a valid position, eventhough I don't share it, the symbol is simple but still complex enough to appear through simply casuality on different regions. But I'll give it to you that we can only speculate.
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>>5953543
>>5953573
valid stances
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>>5953573
I don't doubt that the Iron Age ones are probably related, but the earlier ones were created independently.
You can even explain the European ones as cultural borrowings from the steppe populations.
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>>5952827
Ancient and Modern Persians were neither White nor Arab.
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>>5953690
>mosaic
looks greek as fuck
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>>5953656
If swastika became an important symbol for Indo-Aryans/Iranians during the time of Sintashta it could explain it spread to Europe and South Asia (even if Indus Valley people also used this symbol on their seals).
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>>5953690
ARYANS ARE ARYANS BROTHER
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Reminder that we can see how Egyptians looked in their sculptures which were perhaps the first example of realistic statues.
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>>5953877
>Reminder that we can see how Egyptians looked in their
*mummies
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>>5950861
No it didnt. The original forensic examination did. His gingerism was confirmed by microscopic analysis decades later.
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>>5953902
They count still.
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>>5953915
fair point, imo they were swarthy rulers and swarthy population, but at one particular point they got IE related rulers, probably coinciding with the Hyksos ruleing.
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>>5953915
>>5953928
I've always seen ancient Egypt as a highly ethnically diverse nation if not an outright melting pot, IE influences were inevitable after the Iranian/Aryan influx into the MENA region. As well as previous Semitic presences, and Egypt's proximity to both Africa and Mediterranean Europe.
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>>5953949
*sub-saharan Africa and Kush
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>>5952807
Melanesian blondism is a completely separate mutation from Eurasian blondism. All blonde people in Europe and the Middle east etc have admixture from the same ancient north eurasians among whom the variant originated. Eurasian blondism is caused by a mutation in KITLG while Melanesians have TYRP1. No separate blondism variant like that has ever been found in Middle eastern or North African populations, so their blond hair indeed is proof of steppe ancestry.
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>>5953928
The founders of Egyptian civilization as we know it were Levant_N or like Levant_N migrants who mingled with Africans (be they northern Berbers or more southern Nilotics). The Hyksos and other Iran_N mixed invaders would help make Egyptians what they are today.
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>>5953949
I agree with you, but I can't think of linages of pharoahs as being just a random pleb, there must be a fair deal of specific ancestry behind them. But probably related to their original population.
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>>5952839
wh*tes are ugly but ginger wh*tes are abominations of nature lmaoO
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>>5953976
Red heads are the cream of the crop imo.
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>>5952615

You dumb nigger, hair color isn't like Hyboria where there's an entire people who are nothing but redheaded. Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri isn't the child of some Tommy and Iraqi woman. His parents were from a worthless dirthole and you'd peddle some fantasy novel narrative of how he wuz actually the ancient ancestor of the Cimmerian nomads who swept through to Mesopotamia in the early iron age and for some reason that red hair and fair skin survived to the present. As opposed to a recessive gene which exists in every caucasoid community.

The fucking Jews were notoriously associated with being redheads in the past - does this mean they wuz nordics?
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>>5953975
Also a good point - usurpers usually came from high-ranking prestigious families IIRC. which could be any ethnicity, thus making it easier for them to solidify their power regardless of ethnicity.
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>>5953993
>does this mean they wuz nordics?
Celtic/Scythian/Yamna/Tarim Basin/ANE
that's my bet
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>>5953976
http://www.as.miami.edu/personal/cklofstad/15_mate_choice_PB.pdf

https://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2013/07/white-skin-privilege.html
Hey leftypol/intl.
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>>5954036
http://time.com/3302251/9-ugly-truths-big-data-ok-cupid-book/

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/life-and-style/study-reveals-racial-segregation-in-online-dating.php

http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/emir.kamenica/documents/racialPreferences.pdf

http://paa2008.princeton.edu/download.aspx?submissionId=80046

http://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2008/07/why-does-race-matter-for-women/

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/08/09/beauty-is-objective-fair-skinned-and-white-ish/
None of the women to the left have Nigger lips, Nigger heads, Achmed noses, etc. What does that tell you?
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>>5954112
Bonus
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>>5954036
>>5954112
>>5954118
>this much effort for a weak anti-white butthurt that got triggered by blonde and red haired mummies
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he's going all out
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Berbers look like serbs
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>>5954141
yet people state they don't have IE admixture, bullshit
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>>5954141
serbs are iranian (sarmatians) peoples from the north caucuses imo
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>>5954112
Women must have fine features will men must have robust features: big lips, big nose, big hands, and so on.
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>>5953968
It's not. We don't know how old is this gene and many Middle Eastern populations have ANE genes anyway. Georgian HG from 13,000 years ago had ANE genes. He wasn't blond, but it's perfectly possible that some other Middle Easterners were. Long before any steppe arrival.
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>>5950841
Ok, so what you're saying is you have 1 (one) pharaoh with red hair at a point in time long after the pyramids were built and proceeded and followed by pharaohs that have dark hair for hundreds of years and therefore all of them were actually 8ft hyperboreans with shocking golden hair and eyes of pure aquamarine?

This thread is LARP, you are LARP
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>>5952290
>these are all dyed, including Ramses you stupid fucking nigger

Wrong, they specifically confirmed that Ramses II had natural red hair that he used henna on after it had gone grey:

>Subsequent microscopic inspection of the roots of Ramesses II's hair proved that the king's hair originally was red, which suggests that he came from a family of redheads. This has more than just cosmetic significance: in ancient Egypt people with red hair were associated with the deity Set, the slayer of Osiris, and the name of Ramesses II's father, Seti I, means "follower of Seth."
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>>5956254
The oldest mummy in Egypt also had very similar red hair. The Gebelein mummies are pre-Dynastic and predate the pyramids by a millenia.
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>>5956279
not even going to post a picture?
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>>5956164
The ANE in CHG and the Middle East prior to steppe people was closer related to MA1 while the ANE in EHG and steppe groups in general was closer to AG3. Most likely the blondism allele is from the AG3-like ANE, as its found in AG3 and their descendants but not found in MA1 related native Americans.
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>>5956288
CHG itself can be modeled as having EHG genes. I'm also sure that the Chalcolithic expansion from the Caucasus brought some EHG-mixed people with themselves. Yamnaya were overwhelmingly dark haired and brown eyed.
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>>5956150
Those are not robust features. Robustness means thickness of bone. People with big ole jaws and large frames are robust. Having a huge hook nose is not robusticity. Robust men often have relatively small noses and eyes etc. Just look at heavy weight champions, its snub nose city over there. Testosterone compresses the face, while low-test people are horse faced.
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>>5956279
That still doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of them didn't..
Like 99% of mummies of pharaohs we have today don't look like that, the percentage of pharaohs with red hair is probably about the same as the percentage of Coptic Christians with red hair today. That is, very small.
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>>5956306
Yamna were mixed with dusky caucasian maidens, of course they were swarthy. But that wasnt even the point. The point was that even if blondism was driven up in prevalence very recently, its source is the AG3 like ANE, and not all ANE. And when found in places like the middle east, its from steppe migrations ioth AG3 like ANE and not autochtonous ANE from the deep paleolithic.
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>>5956321
Yamna weren't mixed with any 'Caucasian' maidens. They obviously mixed with steppe populations North of the Caucasus with more CHG ancestry than Eastern Khvalynsk groups. By the time of Eneolithic Caucasians were already a mixed population of CHG and Anatolia Neolithic and it seems like there was surprisingly little mixing between them and hunter gatherers from the steppes.

You know that AG3 is also Paleolithic and for example steppe Maykop was more closely related to AG3 than any EHG? Also:

>When compared to Mal'ta 1, the Afontova Gora 3 lineage apparently contributed more to modern humans and is genetically closer to Native Americans.[12]
I don't know where you get this stuff about MA1 being closer to them. So I'm guessing that CHG 'ANE' is also from AG3.
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>>5950861
Because Berbers are white.
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>>5956308
Just look at reality, hook-nosed horse-faced MENA men are subjugatinng snub nosed betas and no amount of cope using beta sport like mma while change that fact.

The only time Beta Europid had balls was when they were hook-nosed horse-faced.

>Testosterone compresses the face, while low-test people are horse faced.
Sure
This is why women are all brachy while men are doly. More Test = Taller skull.
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>>5956328
Yamna had CHG ancestry ultimately from the Caucasus. Aka Caucasian maidens. Steppe Maykop had ADDITIONAL AG3 like ancestry that cant be explained by steppe.

Native Americans are nominally closer to AG3 since they diverged from a sister clade and were a more recent pop, but AG3 itself is way too young at 16,000 BP to be ancestral to Natives. Indeed, her mtdna is only found in groups with steppe ancestry.
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>>5956359
When did this happen? Because to me it looks like the MENA men got dominated at every turn. First by forager ydna during the neolithic, then steppe ydna during the metal ages. Hell, the middle east is completely under the military boot of white people right now. And you want to tell me that youre in control because some of you fleeing rats live off of alms like beggars in white countries after your region got btfo? The cope of people from shitholes never ceases to amaze me.
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>>5956359
Pic related is from low to high test faces.
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>>5956359
You on the left
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>>5956366
>First by forager ydna during the neolithic
Farmers literally raped out of existence WHG lol

>steppe ydna during the metal ages
It happened only once and the ones who did it were horse-faced hook-nosed and closer to MENA men, not to snub-nosed low test Europid beta, they also had the help of superior technology (bronze weapons).

> Hell, the middle east is completely under the military boot of white people right now.
Not really
Based Assad crushed Eurobetas, Europe is occupied by Arabs tho

There is a lot of cope in your post lol
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>>5956383
>Farmers literally raped out of existence WHG
LOL no
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>>5956376
Height to widht ratio seems to be the most important distinction between mouthbreather horse faces and neckpill chads
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>>5956387
left man, right negro-looking fatso.
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>>5956383
>Farmers literally raped out of existence WHG lol

So why is farmer ydna so rare while I1 and I2 pretty common? HGs did the fucking with their alpha jaws while the lanky farmer betas watched.
>muh better weapons

Yet R1a and R1b ended up the male lineages spread by the bronze age invaders to basically everywhere.

I bet you cry about how whitepeople are the reason the Middle East is so poor and in chaos, but here you tey an act like youre in control. Youre literally a race of beggars, nothing more. Youre the lowest strata, you had to leave your homes and come begging for scraps from Europeans like a street dog.
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>>5956399
Left pencil neck beta, right neckpill chad.

Women have horse face while men have compressed face.
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>>5956403
>Yet R1a and R1b ended up the male lineages spread by the bronze age invaders to basically everywhere.
The most cucked lineages in existence. They were insignificant until their zerg rush one moment in history and now doomed to get replaced by I, J, G and E. While I and G2 peoples had stable Y-DNA pools over thousands of years, the R1 started to deteriorate and get replaced right away by welcomingly accepting newcomers.
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>>5956635
cope
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>>5956635
I have R1a lineage and I am Germanic looking as fuck, not a wander in from another board here.
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>>5952282
>europid skull

wut
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>>5950961
I think he's lacking all flesh there
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>>5953085
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>>5950841
>the ancient egyptians weren't nord-
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>>5952257
hole up-
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I wasn't expecting this thread to be alive
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>>5957307
I really, really, really like this image.
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>>5957307

Apparently there was a wave of R1b in Eastern Europe around 6.000 BC, could it be them behind the Swastika instead the farmers?
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