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Stalin appreciation thread?, Stalin appreciation thread
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>go getter
>rises early
>hard worker
>self made
>made the nation great again
>presided over a triumphant war
>didn't take no shit from anybody

How is this guy not the Republican's wet dream?
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>>5948817
Liked to abuse substances, steal and kill people.

Sort of like the Kennedys.
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>>5948832
That's Hitler you are thinking off.
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*fakes moderation*
*rises in the ranks*
*pickaxes his rivals*
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>>5948847
>*fakes moderation*
He was moderate on foreign and domestic economic policy. He was authoritarian too but he wasn't batshit insane idealistic like some of the others.
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>The Holodomor was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. It is also known as the Terror-Famine and Famine-Genocide in Ukraine, and sometimes referred to as the Great Famine or The Ukrainian Genocide of 1932–33
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>>5948853
>>5948866
What is the soviet equivalent of this joke? I wonder what they found funny about American society.
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>>5948817
Stalin was a piece of shit and of course a monster. But I can't lie, I do actually kind of admire him as a man. He was intelligent, ruthless, calculating and lethally efficient, he managed to have a good relationship with his generals and broadly overcame autism regarding bad decisions on his own part learning to trust their judgement whilst at the same time being weary of Bonapartism.
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>>5948883
Checked on (((wikipedia))). Very strange that they have a whole page about Russian humour but conspicuously, all of it is Russians laughing at themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_political_jokes
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>>5948817
Who was the best Stalinist?
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>>5948895
Jesus fuck. How many helicopters do we need?
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>>5948884
Now all you have to do is realize that he was not a monster. Just a man with responsibility dealing with a difficult situation.
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It's amazing but they were still scared of him while he was lying there choking on his vomit and dying.
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>>5948904
Probably because despite the propaganda, Stalin has lots of trusted supporters.
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>>5948902
these were the winners of history. They were the ones who threw fascists from helicopters.

As long as stalin didn't kill them anyway
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>>5948903
That's just nonsense. You can spiral into deep denial all you like but Stalin had a mean streak in him like no other politician at that time.
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>>5948918
>Winners
Wew lad. The fascists were even more retarded (partly because political views are based off conspiracies and racialism). But the communists are still fucking brain dead too.
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>>5948919
Well obviously Hitler was worst, but besides that I doubt someone like Churchill would have done better if he found himself in a similar situation.
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>>5948941
Except the braindead commies did lots of good which you casually ignore.
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>>5948951
>Starvation
>Getting more people to try gommunism and starve
>Genocide
>Gulags
They added so much good to this world
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>>5948960
You sure showed me. Never seen this coming. You win.
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>>5948947
Churchill was flawed, for one he was probably manic depressive, but he was not a paranoid, nor a sociopath of any kind. Most of Stalin's monstrous activities were a product of his paranoia in some form and his desire to destroy hidden enemies real and imagined.
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>>5948970
Then why are the gommies good. You made the claim prove it. What good have they brought this world
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>>5948975
sounds like someone else who wanted a final solution to his bogeyman too
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The best time to assassinate Stalin? You'd really have to consider killing him when Lenin died, as the most beneficial time to get it done. Spare lives, keep the USSR from consolidating power.

Hitler best eliminated early on as well, even before he rose in government.

It's amazing that in all those murderous times, nobody whacked these guys.
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>>5948983
They industrialized Russia and then modernized it up till the doorsteps of the 21st century. That is a lot of good work. And they did that in a very short time too. They also did lots of other things that I'm surely missing, like mass education of the population and stuff along those lines.
I'm not saying they didn't do bad things. Not saying they had the best economic or political system. But they did much more than just wage war and oppress people. Russia did actually improve during their time. It didn't go backwards.
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>>5949005
Without Hitler and Stalin what would happen to western governments?
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>>5949009
The problem with the "mass education" is that it's more like indoctrination and brainwashing with propaganda especially when it's by a totalitarian state
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>>5949017
Hopefully nothing, if Germany and the USSR don't consolidate and turn into expansionist empires.
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>>5949022
And that is different from elsewhere, how?
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>>5949038
People aren't being sent to the gulag on a whim.
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>>5949029
I doubt that. It is very likely our governments would themselves become more authoritarian. Without the fear of communism and fascism the elite of the 1940s don't have as much incentive to compromise.
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>>5949038
Based state skepticist
We're not taught to worship our political leaders like god's in school. We have the right to free speech and expression in most third world countries. I can read literature on anything I want. meanwhile in the USSR there was no other way to educate yourself.
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>>5948883
>...and you are lynching negroes
or
>Be American
>Get shot
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>>5949046
We went from "education is bad because it also involved some indoctrination" to "they are literally being sent to the gulag". The irony here is that you have these stupid ideas because you yourself was indoctrinated to think this way.
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>>5949049
That's backwards though. Foreign conflict causes authoritarianism at home. It's why the Patriot Act today... gives autocrats ability to spy and violate rights. No foreign conflict, that stuff never comes about.
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>>5949054
>We're not taught to worship our political leaders like god's in school.
You worship concepts and ideas instead: capitalism, free markets, individualism ...etc
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>>5949067
Anarchism did not arise because of foreign conflict.
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>>5949061
I wonder if the millions starved to death in the gulag thought that was a "stupid idea"?
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>>5949068
>In schools you're taught to worship
Capitalism
TOP LEL
I live in Canada and not a single teacher of mine said anything positive about Capitalism
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>>5949072
Anarchism is not the same as murderous autocracy in the USSR though.
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>>5949083
Anarchism is what the western elites feared.
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>>5949073
What is your point? You're saying that Russia giving basic education to the whole country is bad because they also indoctrinated them? That makes no sense.
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>>5949093
They feared violent bombers for sure, and handgunning nuts shooting presidents, but what caused them to violate civil rights and spy on the country and initiate rationing and build armies and fight foreign wars... that was foreign conflict invariably.
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>>5949096
You're the one celebrating "education", lad. The rest of us recognize it to have been "think and act this way or you get sent to the cold place to starve".
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I dislike Stalin for many reasons (killing old bolsheviks who saw the problems in his system being #1 reason, not to mention enormous cult of personality which was clearly created by Stalin but he made it look as if it was done against his will and he actually disapproves naming everything after his name), but I dislike people who try to accuse him of killing le 100 gorillion aryan slavic christians (number of gulag prisoners at it's peak is still lower than modern day USA) by starvation even more

btw: sick fucks who try to make him look better in eyes of stormfags by claiming how many jews he sentenced to death, you aren't really doing a good job and you really should stop
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>>5949106
In Europe, we had lots of draconian measures pre-WWII. For example that is how we lost gun rights and such.

>>5949115
It was education though. Stop being such an autistic cunt. You could still become an engineer or a mathematician. Just because they told you that communism was better than capitalism, doesn't mean that suddenly invalidates 99% of the other education. And besides the same exact indoctrination happens today in western schools.
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>>5949115
>>5949073
You wouldn't be gulag'd just because of having a dissenting view. This is where you American indoctrination is misleading you.
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>>5949140
Well yeah, Europe are authoritarian cunts and always have been. The EUSSR is just a return to base course.

Gulags are not "education", lad. No matter how much you conflate the two, it's still false.
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>>5949167
Of course you would, lad. My Soviet history professor fought in the Red Army across Europe, and he went to the gulag, along with others he knew, and for quite mild statements, one memorable "Lately the beer is bad" and that guy was sent out and not seen again.

You're a zealot if you are unaware of all this. It's not opinion. It's fact.
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>>5949173
As far as I'm concerned you are just a typical misinformed American because of your typical anti-communist indoctrination.
I'm not interested in continuing this conversation. Gulag this and gulag that is not an argument.
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>>5949193
>My Soviet history professor fought in the Red Army across Europe, and he went to the gulag, along with others he knew, and for quite mild statements, one memorable "Lately the beer is bad" and that guy was sent out and not seen again.
Of course he did. How convenient.
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>>5949197
You're just an ignorant commie zealot, lad. I'd just refer you to the body count... and let you know that it's your zealotry that caused such as that.
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>>5949200
Not for him, he was enslaved by you commie zealots.
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>>5949193
>>5949211
>>5949215
OK, lol.
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His mustache was always on point.
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>>5949193
>My Soviet history professor fought in the Red Army across Europe, and he went to the gulag, along with others he knew, and for quite mild statements, one memorable "Lately the beer is bad" and that guy was sent out and not seen again.

Holy shit. My Soviet history professor was also gulag'd because he said the beer was bad!
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>>5949220
careful there, lad, you don't want to be Oking the kulaks in full view of the proletariat
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>>5949255
It's OK I live in The United States of Freedom (TM) where I'm free to criticize the Soviet Union as much as I want.
I just told the presses about my uncle who happens to be a soviet history professor that got gulag'd because he didn't like the beer.
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The true Red Pill.
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It's always amusing that Stalin and Hitler have so many fans, even today.
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>>5949491
Well, this is because their politics was simple in its methods, cause, and effects. It is hard for plebs to appreciate someone who did more nuanced things.
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>>5949503
t. "who needs the government anyway" lolbertarian
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>>5949491
On 4chan at least I find that about 70% of stalin fans are just trolling the /pol/cels who about 70% of are unironic hitler fans
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My grandpa was gulag'd for day dreaming about capitalism. He was surely dead, but then he was saved by Rambo.
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>>5949491
Well, Stalin defeated Hitler and saved Russia. It's not surprising he has a cult in Russia, what's more surprising why do American squeekers worship Hitler.
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>>5949558
It sure seems like this one idiot is a true Stalinist though.
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>>5949578
Well you're a true American, aren't you? Papa taught you all about those dirty commies and how they gulag'd your grandpa, didn't he?
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>>5948825
you forgot the part where he orders Beria to rape your children and gives you a ten year sentence
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>>5949598
>Stalin RAPED ALL THE CHILDREN
What else did he do?
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>unironically worshiping Stalin

People took the historical necessity waaay too serious.
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>>5949607
My great grandpa was sent to the gulag for reading a book in English.
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>>5949598
Yeah we gotta get busy rehabilitating Beria now, this Stalinist fellow in here needs the attention.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQpsYE3zKJc
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How about Causcescu, when are we gonna dispel all those lies about that poor man?
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>>5949618
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Kwz45n6Ko
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>>5949619
Stalinist fanboi here. Causcescu was a brainlet retard.
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Stalin fever is impossible to resist once you learn about him. Communists aren't supposed to venerate leaders, so are the leaders always so venerable?
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>>5948894
Wikipedia is owned by Jimbo Wales, a radical randian libertarian known for purging any sources on wikipedia not favorable to capitalism.
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>>5948895
Hoxha.
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>>5949632
You shut your lying whore mouth. Causcescu was a friend of the people, just like Uncle Joe.
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>>5948825

>How is this guy not the Republican's wet dream?

He shot cronies and gulag'd (((intelligentsia))) Two big no-nos both with Republicans and An-caps.
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>>5948847
>*fakes moderation*
*rises in the ranks*
*pickaxes his rivals*

Still better than Trotzky.
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>>5948858
>Kill cattle and burn/store bread in shitty condition
>Famine comes
>KLYATI MOSKALI

Yet another episode of how rural shit thinks that they screwed everyone around while shooting themselves in the foot and then blaming everyone else.
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>>5948883
Soviets made a mistake of thinking Americans are people, so there was no such jokes. Though the fact that they have managed to describe capitalism perfectly IN A CHILDREN BOOK is a joke by itself.
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>>5948825
Too be fair, he didn't rise early, apparently he used to go to bed at 4am and wake up at 12pm.
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>>5948960
>American doing all of that, but he owns Hollywood so it doesn't count.

At least commies are fucking honest.
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>>5949054
> We have the right to free speech and expression in most third world countries. I can read literature on anything I want.

And you can stick your right up your ass, you little goy. When you will hang the Rotschilds and every other faggot who whore your nation off, then we may talk about free speech. Meanwhile:

Ruskies: Kicked out government they didn't like THREE FUCKING TIMES.

Americans: Bitch about second amendment, but lick off whoever president and congress is upon them, while blaming themselves for being too lazy for their jewish overlords.
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>>5949251
> My Soviet history professor

Probably was a snitch as well. Normal workers were too busy working. Just look at the "KGB bags" that were recently published in Latvia. Almost all of the snitches and "seksots" of KGB are either intelligentsia, or prominent businessmen/nationalists now, OR BOTH.

When you see some post USSR cunt shilling for capitalism/nationalism, you can FUCKING BE SURE THAT HE LICKED THE PARTY'S ASS WHEN USSR WAS IN PLACE AND "INFORMED" NKVD/KGB ON ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE.

NO EXCEPTIONS.

Hell, the publicists didn't even fucking change their style! They just replaced "rotting capitalism" and "lynching negroes" to "red-brown plague", "hydra of putinism" and similar.
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>>5948895
Were all satellite states' leaders as cucked as Poland's Bierut was? His advisors said that his servant mentality was so dominant he couldn't go for a walk without consulting it with them. Also,
>"We are here to demand, in the name of Poland, for Lviv to belong to Russia."
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>>5948895
Molotov and Voroshilov
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>>5949883
Holy fuck. Now I love him even more. Based Uncle Joe.
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My uncle (who mysteriously survived, forgot how to speak Russian and is now a rich faggot in America) lived in USSR and got gulag'd for not sharing his lollipop
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>>5949909
Some were more independent than others

Rakosi, Beirut, Pieck, and Gottwald were total sycophants

Dej and Mao were pretty independent but still dependent on soviet aid and knew how to play Stalin

Hoxha and Kim were sort of a mix of the two categories above

Dimitrov May was a sychophant for a while but split with Stalin on Yugoslavia and may have paid the price for it
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based Koba
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>>5949598
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>>5949993
Funny how Americans are crying about fake news, now, after half a century of fake news propaganda from their part.
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>>5948825
Because he's atheist, obviously.
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>>5949970
It's nothing special. Japan had the same growth rate without GULAG.
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>>5949883
am I stalin
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Stalin was born in a Georgian town, son to a shoemaker who owned his own workshop. The shop was successful for a time but eventually the family found themselves living in poverty. His father became an abusive alcoholic who beat his family. His mother ran away with Stalin and found refugee in the house of a priest who was a family friend. His mother had high holes for little Stalin. She was determined to send him to school. She enrolled him to a church school normally reserved for the sons of clerics with the help of their friend in the clergy.
Stalin excelled academically and displayed many artistic talents in painting, poetry, singing and drama. He was not well behaved. He got into many fights. Later a fellow classmate remarked that he was both the best and the worst pupil, the best academically, the worst because of his behavior. During this time he also contacted smallpox and injured permanently his arm in a traffic accident.
Stalin then enrolled into a seminary where he was able to afford studying after being granted a scholarship to sustain his education. Again his displayed excellence in academics and aptitude for poetry. However, something happened during this time. He lost interest in his studies and he was too rebellious for that environment. He lost his faith and he had detested showing subservience to the monks who ran the place.
At this point he joined a forbidden book club and started reading revolutionary literature. It is at this point that he became a Marxist. He started attending secret worker's meeting and started making acquaintances with Georgian socialists. He left the seminary and never returned although the seminary tried many times to get him back.
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>>5948895
>not making this rollable
you had one job
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>>5949129
>I dislike Stalin for many reasons (killing old bolsheviks who saw the problems in his system being #1 reason
Look at this this way - you build a socialist state, some people disagree with you constantly. These people just happen to be professional revolutionaries with government overthrowing experience and political connections within the party and the army. What to do?
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>>5948825
That was before 2016, lad. Now they want only aristocratic crybaby living on Papa's $$$
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>>5948858
Yeah it was Kulak made famine
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>>5949917
it makes me sad to think about happened to Molotov and Voroshilov. their close friend dies and then most of the work they had done together over the past decades gets reversed
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>>5950369
at least Molotov died before the Soviet Union collapsed
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>no taxes
>no mortgages, insurance
>no welfare, no parasitism
>no ponzi schemes, no stockmarket b.s. (scams get you gulag'd)
>no banksters
>no degeneracy
>100% full employment
>guaranteed jobs
>guaranteed retirement at 50
>guaranteed shelter
>guaranteed food
>enforced traditional, family-oriented society

has there ever been a better society?
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>>5951784
>>guaranteed food
lol
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>>5951842
Food shortages occurred during the war period.
during the same War and great depression period, there was mass starvation in the west.

During the 70s, 80s, there were millions of homeless dying of starvation in the US.
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>being this contrarian
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>>5951784
>guaranteed food

Try reading credible books about 1917-1990 russia. Like Khrushchev’s memoirs.
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>>5951936
Wow, you're full of shit.

and yet somehow every FOB Soviet/Commie immigrant to the US was a chubby lil piglet

. Food was never on shortage except for tropical fruits (explain to me how you want to get your hands on tropical fruits when the part of the world that doesn't boycott you consists of 90% tundra), and nobody had to starve or worry about his health, this cannot be said for Germany in 2016 with shitty wages and skyrocketing living costs

Oh, and education was really good. The western investors that overtook the DDR cooperatives said that the employees were brilliantly trained


Food was plentiful and quite good.Meat,bread, eggs, apples,carrots,milk,vegetables-all of this was of excellent quality and cheap.No chemical stuff like today in the West.
Jungle monkey food like bananas and coconuts were never popular cuz European White cunt, they were usually imported in Christmas, tho.
Basic clothing was no problem.But jeans, anything more was considered luxury.
At the end of 80s they was a economic crisis and things like lipstick or Playboy magazine became very expensive.
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>>5951936
In 1990, the Soviet Union had a Human Development Index of 0.920, placing it in the "high" category of human development. It was the third-highest in the Eastern Bloc, behind Czechoslovakia and East Germany, and the 25th in the world of 130 countries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staple_food#Demographics

http://historyandcurrentcontext.blogspot.com/2015/09/polls-show-eastern-europeans-miss.html
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>>5951957
>>5951963
>no Khrushchev

Opinions discarded.
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>>5951972
>>5951936

I see a lot of memes about starving etc but I don't understand one thing. Poland had to become communistic when it was betrayed by the West and given to Stalin, but no one was starving. There weren't homeless people, everyone had to work. Now when Poland isn't communist we have more starving people. Not only the homeless starve, but also the ones who work, which is something which didn't happen when Poland was under communists' influence.
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>>5951936
Tropical fruits came from cuba and vietnam. Oranges and lemons were year round while there were mainly shortages in bananas. Keep in mind that there were food lines AFTER collapse of USSR in the 90s and by the 2000s many people could only afford to buy a loaf of read and some plate or sausage every few days because they were so poor

>>5951972
Something was needed something to justify Yeltsin's coup and his subsequent (((CIA)))-sponsored "Shock Therapy" dictatorship. "It's for your own good" is the oldest trick in the book.

Problems begun in 1988, when Gorbachev granted to his supporters (corrupt Soviet bureaucracy) too much power (via capitalist free market reforms) and they abused it immensely. But it wasn't as bad, as what followed. When Gorbachev's attempt at introducing capitalist dictatorship to USSR failed, Yeltsin took over and then the real shortages begun.

Something like 95% of the "empty shelves" pictures were actually made not during USSR (practically all of those 5% were made during last years of USSR), but later - when Yeltsin was in charge.

I've even seen pictures from late 90s-early 00s presented as "authentic pictures from USSR".
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>>5951957
>>5951963
>>5951985
>>5952010
Genuine question, if things were so good then why did the Soviet state fall?
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>>5952083
Because east Europeans were dumb enough to let oligarchs take over everything. Now the region is dying of, lol
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>>5952083
Because of the conflict between the leaders of the heavy and consumer industries, erosion of democracy that started with the Yagoda-Yezhov terror and WW2 and external pressure. However, its important to note no-one in the SU, not even the Ukrainians, actually voted for its dissolution. It was illegally enforced on them in a coup.
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>>5952113
this

>>5952083
Traitors such as Gorbachev/Yeltsin and retards who fell for the Playboy and Levi's Jeans memes

also ALOT of CIA sabotage, no different from the collapse of Gaddafi's Libya
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>>5952169
The sad part is the People were going to re-establish the USSR but were stopped by foreign saboteurs Bush/Clinton and local retards Yeltsin/Putin

Zyuganov is too weak to retake power from the parasitical class
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>>5952083
the fate of Ukraine is similar to the fate of all the ex-URSS countries, including baltic states.

They all believed that getting out of URSS-Russia will boost their economy.

But in reality, it destroyed all those countries. Not only from the economic point of view (as some may object they have now a better GDP), but socially.

I mean, they are all loosing population in huge numbers. They all believed EU wanted them because they had some economic/social project for them, but the only project was to take the skilled and remarquably educated population as a cheap and qualified workforce, for internal devaluation.

That's the grassroot of the German "success" and the doom of all these states that are now getting old with an economy that in fact is everyday more dependant to the will of the Russia.

It's because of corruption, shit leaders and also people who don't give a shit about their future.
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>>5952083
The Sovs had to withdraw their forward deployed forces, as they ran out of cash. Once they did that, and could no longer enforce tyranny with bayonets, it was over for the SU. It dissolved, and those regions went their own way, and Russia suffered badly with the corrupt crooks scrambling to steal whatever they could on the way out.

The Czechs and Hungarians would have gone over decades before, absent those Sov bayonets.

The Russians can pull together parts of it, and they are. But that initial collapse was inevitable.
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>>5951528
>>5950369
you guys should read his conversations with Feliks Chuev. He talks about his dreams about Stalin, and it's legitimately very sad. I'm
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>>5952083
Because Gorbachev destroyed that future with liberalization- free market.

its because in 80s USSR start convert into capitalism. Lines and shortage of food its a sign of late 80 and early 90 when soviet economy collapsed

We became (((democracies))). Now we're all in the same cesspool as the burgers.

The Iron curtain protected the people from Western degeneracy. Imagine if let say Czechia was under Western influence since 1945. It would look like Sweden today.

if you showed the people back in the 80s what Europe would look like in 2018, the Iron Curtain would have never fallen.

>>5952223
Funny, I talked to a czech guy and he said that in the late 80s the czech economy was improving. He criticizes communism for the lack of political freedom, not the economy.
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>>5952223
Let me tell you the story of my country of Afghanistan. A story of genocide, rape, and a people who dared to rise up.

Our country was a piece of shit just like all the Muslim countries. And just like other typical sandniggers they couldnt figure out what the problem was. Afghanistan was a monarchy so we couldnt do anything while the dindus raped, killed, and stoned people.

The white light-skinned afghans who were educated and had enough of pedophile Muhammads religion rose up and kicked them out of power. We were a minority but we held the cities. Although communism became the government structure, it was extremely nationalistic.

Afghanistan had the day of the rope. The mullahs and sand nigger "ikhwanis" were rounded up and hanged. The city people knew the Muslim retards as "mountain people".

The women purposely wore short skirts to provoke the sand niggers and all attempted rapists were shot. Our country experienced a golden age as we continued to deal the brown hoardes the only way they listen: through carpet bombing.

And now comes the part of the story where the Anglo race traitors try to "save the day". They funded these barbarians and set them lose onto our sanctuary cities. They had no morals. Womens breasts were cut off, mass rape of the "white skinned people" occurred. As soon as our army collapsed they unleashed a literal rain of rocket on the cities. Millions died.

Everything we worked for and built up was gone. All the educated people packed up and left. The current "Afghan" people are unrecognizable. They look like brown Mongolians.

And this was the story of Afghanistan. A country where whites had enough and actually had a day of the rope. And another country which fell victim to Anglo white knights who try and save the day. Because apparently securing the future of your race is more wrong than getting genocided by sand niggers.
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>>5951936
>credible books
>like Khruschev's memoirs
OH NO NO NO AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>5952253
>>5952223
We asked the Soviets to come and help us. It was desperation as we were being decimated by the mudslimes. My mother still remembers the days when young soviet men would guard her neighborhood and fight trying to defend the white neighborhoods from the savages.

The government of Afghanistan invited the USSR into their country to squash the rebels funded by the USA in the name of stopping communism. Before the USA, you see a country that was being modernized with Soviet money.

Soviets were helping build roads, houses, airports, before they sent troops to help Afghan

The Amerimutts installed the Taliban/Al Qaeda and spread terrorism all the way to WTC 9/11 and beyond
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>>5952083
people saw a diamond studded necklace or Mercedes or Jaguar in a (((smuggled))) playboy magazine and decided to sell themselves and their patriotic nationalist country for some cheap trinkets. this is the basis of the demise of western civilization. people sell their souls for a (((golden))) shower

in the west
>retire at 75 yrs with no family, still paying mortgage, and shitty 401k

in Iron curtain
>retire at 50 yrs with big family, comfy free residence and good pension
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>>5952237
Oops, I'm glad he died before the fall. The idea of seeing everything you believed in die like that makes me sad, even though I'm not a huge fan of communism
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>>5951784
>get assraped by shitcoin markets
>get assraped by stock markets
>get assraped by housing markets
>get assraped by demographic replacement
>get assraped by pension scams
>get assraped by taxes
>get assraped by health(death)care
>get assraped by job markets
>get assraped by divorce laws
>get assraped by student loans

the crapitalist system makes the Soviet system look like utopia in comparison

>free stable housing
>free and awesome education
>guaranteed stable jobs
>guaranteed quality free healthcare
>guaranteed stable pension at 50yrs
>no yiddish stock market tricks
>no shitcoin scams
>no housing scams
>no recessions
>no mortgages, no insurance, no 401ks, no banksters, no stock market
>no taxes
>no divorce laws
>no demographic replacement

i want USSR back!
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>>5952262
You're welcome to get back in there, comrade. Nobody's stopping you.
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>>5948947
Honestly on political level Hitler wasn’t even all that bad to his fellow courtiers
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>>5952297
>be amerimuttland of da free
>deny citizens shelter (millions homeless)
>deny citizens jobs (millions jobless replaced by h1bs and pablos)
>deny citizens healthcare (millions dying or indebt from lack of healthcare)
>deny citizens food (millions poisoned from carcinogenic, diabetic toxic plastic industrial waste passed as food)
>deny citizens family (millions of sterilized genderfluid unwed people who will never raise a family)
>deny citizens a nation
>spread terrorism, poverty, degeneracy and death

amerimuttland is the manifestation of an anti-human, sociopathic, misanthropic demon
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>>5952292
>"free"
>no taxes
This is false and you know it.
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>>5952253
Ironically, it's happening to the West now.
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>>5952328
what part of "free" and "no taxes" dont you understand? i know its a hard concept to get thru your thick muttoid skull, but it was actually successfully practiced in USSR and the Iron Curtain.


>how could they provide guaranteed pension at 50 with no 401k/stock market/banksters to ponzi scam?

The system, from 1918-1991 provided every single person a pension at 50 without the bullshit scams of 401k or stock pension funds

It worked better than your miserable monkey system were 70 yr old citizens work to death.

as a goy who lived in both the West and behind Iron Curtain, i can resoundingly say that every single aspect of cuckland sucks massive donkey shit, and that if Jugoslavija or USSR were to be resurrected, the majority of our diaspora would stampede towards our beloved Socialist Utopia.
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>>5952297
You're welcome to leave Eurasia and take your taliban, islamists, al qaeda, isis, jihadis, mcdonalds, pepsi, multinational SlaveCorps, gay freedumz, crapitalism with you
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>>5951985
Capitalism necessitates that some people starve and that some people are homeless.
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>>5951985
anti-communists think that the Holodomor and Great Chinese Famine = everyone in communist countries was starving all the time and ignore the fact that Stalin and Mao ENDED the constant famines that plagued Russia and China for centuries
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>>5952253
What ethnic group of "white" Afghanis are you talking about. I'm legitimately curious.
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>>5952795
Capitalism necessitates that the majority of the people starve and that majority of the people are homeless.

The middle class only existed in the US because amerimutts didnt want to look like a poverty-stricken shithole that it is and tried to match and out-do the guaranteed prosperity of the Socialist states. Everyone in the USSR was middle class and achieved guaranteed and stable shelter, income, pension at 50, education. and healthcare.

The US didnt want to lose to USSR on prosperity, and so went into overdrive to create an image of prosperity by overproducing trinkets and gadgets like microwaves ad dragon dildos and building cardboard suburband cucksheds out in the middle of nowhere.

Once the US successfully sabotaged and collapsed the USSR, the US shed its humanistic facade and rapidly drowned its middle class.

With the main rival defeated, the middle class facade was no longer needed. Thus the middle class has been reduced to nothing as US returned to its original Capitalist state circa the depression and gilded age.
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>>5952083
Khrushchev and Gorbachev implemented capitalist reforms that eroded the foundations of the state and allowed nationalism to take root.
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>>5953069
>US vs USSR middle class prosperity battle

Difference between US and USSR middle class

USSR genuinely cares about its people and strives to have a 100% middle class society where everyone is provided shelter, healthcare, job, pension at 50.

USSR initiates middle class upliftment

US seeing the success of Socialism, doesnt want them to win, and responds by trying to out-compete USSR. US starts to build up a middle class, in response to social upliftment initiated by USSR.

US shifts middle-class prosperity battle from crucial needs (shelter, healthcare, pension at 50) towards fake prosperity (gimmicks, trinkets, and gadgets)

USSR outcompetes on real middle-class and eliminates homeless, jobless, poverty, illiteracy

US tries to maximize on fake middle-class prosperity and out-competes on Playboy, dragon dildos, pepsi, hamburgers, Rap/Jazz

USSR leadership falls in love with Rap, burgers, and dragon dildos and submits to US

US, defeated the USSR, quicly destroys its fake middle class project

US middle class shrivels and dies
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ITT: bunch of faggot westerners
i genuinely wish you lot lived under a communist regime
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>>5953246
fuck of to 2ch zapadnyk
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>>5953160
Biggest load of bollox I've read in a long time there anon
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>>5953246
I was born into the soviet union and became an orphan. I had a better experience than everyone else.
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>>5952744
Those are yours, comrade.
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>>5953069
Having a Middle-class goes against the nature and principles of Capitalism. Capitalism is about extracted wealth and resources from the majority and transferring it to the minority. A stable and large middle-class prevents the capitalist allocation of wealth/resources to the few.

America only created a middle class as a response to USSR's genuine middle-class policies of upliftment.

America only required a middle class, so long as USSR existed. The temporary middle class project ceased after America collapsed the USSR.
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>>5951784
>guaranteed food
my sides
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>>5953261
Yeah, big load of bollocks. Pretty strange though isn't it how in Europe, all the concessions of social democracy are being rolled back its growing more and more neo-liberal. I mean they don't even try to hide it, just look at Britain:
USSR collapses in 1991, in just 25 years, free education has been abolished, the credit crunch happened because of rampant lending, austerity has been imposed to extract as much tax money out of the proletariat as possible while millionaires and billionaires stash their wealth abroad, charities have become vital to the economy as opposed to just raising extra funding for specific problems, Theresa May's husband and likely many other capitalists haven't paid corporation tax in 8 years, we had the Iraq war, the NHS is being dismantled, housing has been deliberately concentrated in the hands of massive property tycoons and upper middle class people raising rent to point 2/3rds of your wage is going on rent, 300,000 people are homeless, rampant abuse and virtual slave labour of eastern europeans and commonwealth members, ratcheting down of benefits to point disabled people are literally dying because they can't afford electricity, state pensions virtually abolished, secure 40 hour work is becoming a thing of the past as more and more people work part time and on agencies and now we have this shit with Farage, Rees-Mogg and other capitalists and career politicians who want MORE liberalization. For them this isn't cruel enough. All in 27 years since the USSR collapsed.
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>>5953329
the irony is that you are arguing with a literal ghost. americans dont exist anymore, they are rapidly declining and being replaced. unfortunately, those replacing them continue to work for the oligarchs and help prop up the dying, suicidal crapitalist system.
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>>5953442
>rapidly declining and being replaced
I don't know man, they seem to be fucking up third world countries just fine to be honest.
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>>5953246
>>5953261
Says that guy that logs on during American HOUR (TM).
Let me guess. Your soviet history professor was gulaged because he said the beer tasted off.
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>>5953329
You are not wrong, but the general sense of the population has shifted very much away from neoliberalism, now.
Now we will see during the 2020s what will happen. Will the elites start rebuilding the welfare state or will they insist on their now very unpopular neoliberalism.
I could see it go both ways.
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>>5952179
100% this
My dad fucking emigrated to USA after communism fell and even he says it was better than capitalism. He came here because of 80s rock music and bullshit like that
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>>5952297
Keep sucking corporate dick Mr. Nike Burger King
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>>5953477
Well this is the thing about what Marx said about class conflict. Its already starting to happen, look at the Yellow Jackets. And I don't think the response from neo-liberals like Macron in the long term is that they're going to relent: I think they're going to drop any pretense of social democracy and go full authoritarian. They've been waiting since WW2 to have this massive orgy of profits, I don't think they're going to let the working class stand in their way.
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>>5953069
This
I unironically hate capitalists more than Nazis
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>>5953531
same here, comrade. we were tricked and fooled by the Devil himself. The first day I stepped into the Western hellscape and saw the misery and rot of the West, I begged to return our beloved Socialist motherland, but it was too late and now it is no more.
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I want to like communism, but after seeing what feminism does to families and gender relations, I can't agree with any system that supports feminism. The conservative position on gender and family seems to make a lot more sense, and you can't see to separate communism from feminism.
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>>5953722
>And what, I further enquired, of the Young Communists? They laughed uproariously. Ekh, the Young Communists... some of them were against kissing and dancing, said it was all the invention of the capitalists to corrupt the peasant and the proletarian... and besides it was too much responsibilty to be a Young Communist.
M.Hindus, Black Earth 1926

>In contrast to Western women, Soviet women idea of liberation was to work less and have more opportunity to stay at home and be motherly and traditional
>After the fall of the Soviet Union, agents established feminist circles, which arose among the western-backed intelligentsia, though the term continues to carry negative connotations among contemporary Russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism_in_Russia
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>>5952200
>Putin
a major asshole for promoting crapitalism and standing in the way and preventing the will of the People- the return of the USSR.
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>>5948895
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>>5953861
Fun fact, Stalin actually didn't believe in socialism in one country at first, while Trotsky did. In fact it was probably Trotsky who originated the idea of socialism in one country. Lenin managed to convince Stalin, and then because Stalin adopted it, Trotsky's ego wouldn't some two-ruble thug from Georgia steal the limelight, so he looked for any excuse to oppose Stalin, which is when he hit upon the idea permanent revolution.
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>>5954158
proofs?
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>>5953722
Do you know about Nazbol
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>>5949874
>>5950368
>someone plans on stealing your shit
>vandalize your shit to spite them
>thief rapes and kills your entire family
>its your fault you should have let the thief steal the fruits of your labour
huh?
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>>5952213
>the only project was to take the skilled and remarquably educated population as a cheap and qualified workforce,
I read a Hitler's speech about his plans for Poland in 1940 and it's literally "we conquered them to get cheap labor, a seasonal agricultural workers, also we must keep their industry down so they do not stop coming" Today people in Eastern Europe do it willingly and think they won.
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>>5954500
>stealing your shit
it was more complicated then how western propaganda portrays it. Why the fuck would people grow stuff every year if the state was stealing it?
USSR bought good from kulaks for years to export, it was like a land tax - sell X amount of grain for a fixed state price, do whatever you want with the rest. The price was the problem, Great depression led to cheap food at international markets but Stalin wanted to keep selling to continue industrialization while kulaks would rather sell it domestically for a good price or make vodka from it. So they started hiding food and the state went full reee~
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>>5948817
My slavic grandmother called Stalin intelligent and handsome lol
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>>5954640
>source of cheap wageslaves for EU
Just like how US treats mexico and asia.

Atleast USSR guaranteed them shelter, education, pension at 50, and traditional family. Today, these workers are homeless and get raped in brothels by slimy germans.
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>>5954158
Permanent revolution was formulated before 1917 before socialism in one country was coined by lenin. Permanent revolution was compatible with leninism and lenin might have well adopted some of its points to argue for the seizure of power in 1917 from the Provisional Government
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>Hunger planned the Ukrainians
>Hunger planned the Kazakhs
>Took away workers rights, calling them kulaks and killing them anyways
>Purged Jews from the party from 36-38
Make of that what you will.
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>>5954755
>to argue for the seizure of power in 1917 from the Provisional Government
That's a funny way of saying initiated a civil war that murdered 7-12 million people
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>>5948817
The most based man in human history
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>>5954755
Btw yes stalin with kamenev initially opposed forceful seizure of power from the soviet and provisional government dual power arrangement when Lenin returned in 1917. He came to Lenins side of course. As the other anon said Trotsky and Stalin harbored very similar ideas of development and after Stalin banned Trotsky and the left opposition he basically took on the ideas for himself.’ The main theme is that almost everyone hated Trotsky as a ‘militarist’ who derived his authority from commanding the Red Army and because of his extremely arrogant affect. People wouldnt suport Trotskyism precisey because Trotsky supported them.When Stalin took them up and found widespread support for heavy industrialization at the cost of strip mining the peasantry of their wealth for state expenditure
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>>5954771
Retard. From Lenins perspective Civil War had started when the Provisional Government attacked the Bolsheviks in the July days and dabbled with dictatorship around some vague power sharing between Kerensky and Kornilov
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>>5954808
Also Lenin was a catalyst for Civil War but there was no possible way older elites were going to peacefully surrender power. Some form of Civil War was inevitable with Bolsheviks in sole control. Its not clear whether a leftist coalition ruling through soviets, or the constitutional assembly could have coexisted with militarism
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stop eating food, comrades
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>>5954829
either (last word)
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Say what you will about his character and conscience (or rather lack thereof) but it's hard to name a dictator who was better at what he did (stayed in power).
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>>5954766
>>Hunger planned
Except there are no documents that show it, instead there are records of USSR stopping export of wheat and importing it during the hunger.
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>>5955022
>sounds like all those comrades starved because they had amnesia and forgot how to eat
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>>5955031
Great job of missing the point, retard. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest a planned campaign to kill Kazakhs or Ukrainians en masse via starvation.
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>>5955031
>why didn't Stalin just force the clouds to rain
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>>5955044
There's plenty of evidence to indicate Stalin's support for the liquidation of anyone he deemed bourgeois. Plenty of Ukrainians would have fallen into this category.
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>>5955059
Fair enough, but that doesn’t mean there was ever a planned genocide of Kazakhs or Ukrainians. Stalin in particular was the most influential architect of Soviet nationality policy which included the creation of autonomous Kazakh and Ukrainian republics at the expense of Russians and other minority groups. Based on these facts I think it’s ludicrous to say there was ever any sort of Nazi-style “hunger plan” in the Soviet Union
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>>5955094
>planned
Whether or not it was planned, the plundering of farmland and the collectivization of agriculture are things that happened. These were parts of the Soviet plan all along. The NEP was always meant to be replaced with total collectivization at some point. There is literally no reason to doubt that there were planned deaths here. Class-focused mass murder is still genocide, as surely as ethicity- or religion-focused mass murder is genocide.
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>>5954689
My coworkers said it was amazing and only mentioned the good things about it. They were telling me that everyone had to work and those who wouldn't, they would be forced. The pay was shit, but they didn't mind it since they lived happily.
Funny thing is that Lithuania, like other Baltic countries, was the most richest country in the USSR.

>her grandmother obv lived most of her life in USSR
>says "everything was better in USSR
>streets were safe at night
>everyone got an education
>everyone had a job
>everyone got healthcare
>says she misses USSR and everything's shit now
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>>5955112
I’m not disputing that, we’re in agreement here. My point is that Ukrainians and Kazakhs were never specifically targeted by a hunger plan and if you have evidence to the contrary please show me
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>>5955124
Convince me why Lithuania should not go back to communism?
sure things were not perfect but our birth rate was sky high! and our population peaked before it ended! The population was almost 4 million now it is less then 3 million in a short amount of time! Our birth rate has fell, and things don't look to be getting better! we have more deaths then births and to add more damage a lot of wage cuck emigration to western europe!
We are still poor and even if we were rich so what? there is more to life then being rich, the weathiest countries are those with the lowest birth rates other then religiously insane countries, saudi arabia, israel, so i see the only choice is going back to communism and creating the ussr or becoming far right wing christians or something which is unlikely, the right wing won't rise either because we are cucks and never vote right wing! the only way is communism it has been proven before! I think the globalists ended the ussr in the first place! Lithuania benefited greatly from the ussr for sure more then they gained from the eu who in reality are destroying lithuania. p.s. I am not a communist I would prefer national socialism but sadly that is not possible because hitler was a dumbass and ruined that ideology, at least communism still exists today, it is the only way for lithuania.
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>>5955171
Communism didn't make your lives better, your country's inability to compete in a global market economy made them worse.
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>>5952567
Jugoslavija- a functioning Socialist state until CIA sabotaged it

>Free healthcare
>Very good healthcare to the extent that people from France, Germany and UK were flying over for operations and procedures.
>Free education
>Brilliant "arts thinkers" and science programmes so advance, they sold rocket technology to both the Russians and Americans
>Free housing
>Comfy and roomy homes easily capable of withstanding the schizophrenic weather that the Balkans endures (freezing winters, boiling summers)
>Comprehensive transport links
>You want to go to the coast? Jump on a train. Need to see your girlfriend's parents in another state? Smooth roads linking city to city.
>Full employment
>Work weighing you down? Enjoy more mandated leave than most countries in Western Europe
>Worried about overbearing external influences?
>Don't worry. Tito is playing both the Yanks and the Ruskies.
>SUCCESSFULLY


America deliberately destroyed Yugoslavia. Read "To Kill a Nation: The Attack on Yugoslavia" by Michael Parenti, or listen to him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApaMIJiOt-c
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>>5955190
Yugoslavia was an impressive country, and certanly far more impressive than all ex-Yu countries are today combined or they will ever be. For the majority of it's existance it had a powerful capable army, a stable and growing economy and it was more economically "progressive" than any other soviet-satellite state. In my opinion, the closest humanity ever came to true socialism was in Yugoslavia with market socialism (samoupravljanje). Infrasctructure and urban planning that was built during those years still stand to this day and many were the first time to be created in these regions (highways, railroads urban blocks, skycrapers). This is so evident that even to this day if you take a stroll down any street chances are 70% of everything you see (including cars) was built during those years. People may say things, but we DID have the highest growth in all aspects in our history during that time.The standard of life was better than it is now and better than whole eastern europe combined. There was a time when Poles and Czechs came to us as cheap labour force, not the other way around. Say what you want, that it destroyed personal and national freedoms, that it was implemented by jews, that it inevetably collapsed, that Tito was a spy. You can't change my mind about the country

And the fucking trains were on time

>>5955184
We live in a capitalistic society right now and things are more shit. We have bigger debt, smaller GDP per capita and overall more poverty. The richest people in the country are quite obviously the most incompetent and while the hardworking/smarter ones have to leave the country in pursuit of actual jobs. Unemployment rates are higher than they've ever been in Yugoslavia (25% outside of Belgrade )and I think i read somewhere that Belgrade ranks first or second city in Europe in "homeless people per capita". I could equally say that there is an obvious pattern of capitalism leading to our modern collapse

also trains are always late now
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>>5953531
in USSR people worked 4 days per week. had guaranteed minimum of 1 month paid vacation. you could take more time off if you wanted.

daily 4 hour lunch break

guaranteed a job

healthcare was free
4+ months of maternity
no taxes, neither was there private taxes in form of "insurance" (car insurance, health insurance)

free high quality education etc

casual sex with co-workers, and cavities were air-tight, pristine, and self-lubricating back then

no 3hr rush hour freeway traffic, people just used public transport were you got hookups with goddesses on a daily

some work was hardcore, some work was symbolic (as a means to employee homeless people)
alot of beauracracy meant more workers, more work meant guaranteed job to all

>>5955184
everyone who says that communism is bad is a retard. my coworker lived in the good old UdSSR and always praised it. people worked for themselves and traded their goods for other goods. everyone was able to get a house or food. people even built their own streets. small communities where formed where people helped each other and provided themselves with everything they needed. no need for welfare. these spoiled niggers, who think that their so called "democracy" is better, don't know what real work is, they don't know what it means to help other people, these fuckers need money to buy some useless shit that doesn't even provide something useful for themselves. hurhurhur communism is bad hurrhurr democracy is good hurhur let's pay 1000 dollars for some useless shit and then complain that we don't get enough money for sitting on our asses and doing nothing hurhurr ...
btfo you democracy loving brainwashed shitheads
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>>5953284
Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and East Germany were fine. No starvation, healthcare comparable to the west. According to information I've gotten out of my eastern european coworkers, the education system was actually superior to ours b/c no nigs and higher standards. /polacks would like some of the stuff they tought there. All kids in Czechoslovakia were taught to ski, swim, and handle basic military equipment in secondary school.

>>5953531
Czechoslovakia and Hungary were just fine under communism because their citizens knew what they were doing, and weren't slobbering retards like amerilards.

>>5954834
My family lived in Hungary, dumbass. Nobody was starving, we had a great education system, we even had the right to set up small businesses. we were doing fine.

we left because we fell for the kike trickery about American prosperity. Basically like all you East European posters. You saw the BMW's, the VCR's, the "freedom". .

A huge reason why people wanted to get out of communism was so that they could have acess to all those "fun" degeneracies that liberal capitalism offered.
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>>5955208
Yugoslavia was pretty good compared to the USSR, sure.
>>5955220
Shut up
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>>5955190
Everything was free in communist Poland: government was giving flats for free, kindergarten were free of charge, mothers didn't have to work at all for 4 years after giving a birth, there was no unemployment, everybody had a job, even if he didn't want it, jobs were not only easy to get but light, not hard like today, people worked without stress, workers could even drink alcohol in workplace. That's why we had a lot of children, because we didn't have to care how to feed them, we didn't have to worry about losing job. Everything back then was so clean, smart and humanist, no degeneracy, no drugs, no emigration to the West, no prostitution, FUCK WE LITERALLY LOST PARADISE!

>>5955184
Fuck, dude, you must understand that soviet economy was completely isolated from western economy. It was not possible to translate value of our economy to dllar. The fact is that back then in communist Poland average Polish working class family had 3-5 children, now it is 1-2. Back then such family didnt have to worry about money , losing job or unemployment, there was no loans, no debts, no banks. Today people dont have more children because they cant afford them

>>5955236
"Za komuny bylo lepiej" (Life was better under Communism) is a common saying among Polish people.

Like, i know people there still blame communism for why Poland is still shit, but seriously, just as an example look what the USSR did in 27 years, it went from a feudalistic, poverty ridden & war torn country that's people had been subject so social and economic divide for millenia to the most powerful country in the world with vast agricultural and industrial capability that was battling off a much more technically advanced enemy to retake half of Europe.

Like, surely if communism could do that in such a short period of time, the much better system of capitalism could have easily made things twice as good in these 27 years post communism?
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>>5955236
it was an amazing. Everybody had access to quality education, everybody was guaranteed a job, and then an apartment. The more babies you mad the bigger an apartment you would get.
Healthcare was was free.
There was a sense of class collaboration.

There were no homeless people, no faggots, no degeneracy out in the open. There was no "hook-up" culture, no hippies. In cities you could get anywhere on a public transport, so it was not necessary to own a car.

People were nationalistic and would die for the Soviet Union. Despite the USSR being racially diverse, everybody stayed were they were born, so there was not a lot of mixing.

Classical architecture was very common and there were many aesthetic places across the motherland.

I'd rather live in the USSR instead of the rotten, decaying, anti-human West.
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>>5952179
USSR and Iron Curtain was like Ghaddafi Libya... and you know what the CIA did to them...

There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.
Having a home considered a human right in Libya.
All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.
Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.
If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.
If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.
The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.
If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.
A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.
40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.
25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.
Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
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>>5952292
I want communism back, I miss the DDR.

The Wall:
Sure, it was hard to get out but even harder to get in. No Muslims, no rapefugees.

Economy:
Sure, there weren't 60 different kinds of chocolate available but there was also no unemployment and people helped each other out instead of trying to bring each other down.

Patriotism:
Sure, we were occupied by the Russians in a way, but patriotism was still encouraged and no one promoted racial and cultural suicide.

Culture:
Poisonous American culture was mostly kept out of the country. No McDonalds, no Hollywood, no SJW degeneracy. The DDR was undeniably GERMAN. Not American degenerate race mixed brown-black Hollywood Niggers working at McDonalds, ads with trannies and queers.

Religion:
Was hard, I admit that. But being a Christian in the DDR was still easier than being a Christian today in a SJW shit hole that is increasingly becoming Americanized. Sure, we don't have gay "marriage" in Germany yet, but it's just a matter of time until we are like the US where you commit a crime if you don't bake those gays their fucking cake.

Downside:
The surveillance was shit, of course. Secret police and everything. But we have the same today. With NSA, CIA, FBI whoever watching. And don't you dare to say a wrong word about feminists or refugees! We arguably have less freedom of speech today.

Also:
The part of Germany that was communist is the part now, were 30.000 people march through the streets to rally against Merkel, mass-immigration, against the Islamization adn the Americanization of Germany. It's the part of PEGIDA, LEGIDA, Björn Höcke, people in Heidenau literally attacking the refugee-protecting police at night and then hiding in their neighbor's houses. West Germany is the "Refugees Welcome" SJW part.

50 years of Soviet occupation has obviously done less damage than 50 years (and counting) of American occupation.
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>>5948817
True Ubermensch of the 20th Century, prophet for the saviour of the 21st century.

Eco-Stalinism will save humanity.
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>>5955236
We currently are under foreign domination.
But the foreign domination from the Russians was still much better than what we have now: foreign domination from the USA

>>5955236
Germany was better under socialism.
East Germany:
- 99% white
- extremely safe
- no terrorism
- no mosques
- no degeneracy
- low divorce rate
- above replacement fertility
- no immigration

What's so wrong with Soviet style socialism /pol/? Don't be fooled by the blue haired freaks. Socialism isn't about learning the pronouns of mentally defective sexual deviants and worshipping niggers.

>but muh iPhones and muh big houses!

Is materialism really worth becoming a minority in your own country for?
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>>5949129
>sick fucks who try to make him look better in eyes of stormfags by claiming how many jews he sentenced to death, you aren't really doing a good job and you really should stop

Says the guy trying to whitewash Stalin crime for killing far more people then le EVIL SATAN NAZI GERMANY ever did (but at least you won't get arrested for denying them(, and then shitting on Stalin for the few good things he did by taking out unpatriotic people and traitors. It just says something that Stalin was the only good communist leader. He turned the USSR into a superpower and beat Hitler.
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>>5955259
Bulgaria was better under Iron Curtain
>army
Communist Bulgaria:
Mighty, feared, mandatory conscription, respected, able to deport 1.3M Turks without batting an eye
Democratic Bulgaria:
Weaklish, young men can sit at home watching cartoon porn instead of fighting for their country, cannot deport a single turk without getting steamrolled

>population
CB: 9M, above replacement stable fertility rate, would be 11M by now
DB: only 7.2M and dropping FAST, only the gypsies breed while ethnic Bulgarians are dying out

>gypsies
CB: All working, all having received education making their integration easy
DB: unemployed and a burden to society, non-employable as education wise unfit, cannot read and write properly, integration impossible

>crime
CB: crime?
DB: corrupt politicians steal billions and walk free, mafia exists and the bosses remain free, gypsy crimes a problem

>police
CB: respected, honest and loyal, serving the good cause the police is meant for
DB: corrupt and a laughing stock of the population, ranks image wise around street cleaner and garbage man

>employment
CB: working is mandatory and a duty of the comrade, yet he earns enough to have multiple children which his wife is watching at home
DB: 6% unemployment, has to be a slave for western corporations to live a normal life, can't have kids cause his wife has to work as well

>cost of living
CB: everything is cheap, of quality, domestic and affordable
DB: receives 2nd hand quality western crap, takes loans to buy quality merchandise, food is made in laboratory and is fake and cancer causing

>healthcare
CB: free and good, the state has the responsibility for every comrades wellbeing
DB: Private healthcare is expensive, the weak do not receive quality healthcare as Mr. Nosebergs capitalist country doesn't care about them

>education
CB: quality, Bulgarians are among the smartest in the world
DB: failure, population gets dumber by the day
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>>5949129
I am not hoxhaist, but the lies about Stalin are ridiculous.BAzilion deaths?
Soviet UNion actualy had insane population growth mainly because people had good lives and felt secure for the future

When Stalin took power RUssia was destroyed from civi war and had iliterate population, Stalin industrialised the nation, removed iliteracy and electrified the nation. Soviet Union had awesome science, good healthcare, amazing industry, was creating cars, televisors and other goods.Stalin was awesome

BEcame second largest economy in the world
Iliteracy was removed
NAtion was inudstrialised, started creating onw awesome everthyng, from cars to computers
HAd awesome science
HAd good healtcare
Had young population duo to awesome population growth.


ANd there were no bad things about latter Soviet Union during Stalin. No bread lines, no alchocolism, not trying to get away from it and things like that. People were actualy tryin to move to Soviet Union
http://www.genealogia.fi/emi/art/article237e.htm
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>>5955349
This. He cracked the wipe, but it works. Do what works.
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>>5955341
>>5955332
>>5955300
Iron curtain was incomparably better to what we have now. You had free flat for young families or if you decided to build a house, state fucking gave you 50% of the cost upfront, you didnt have to pay nothing back.
Fertility plummeted to less than half after iron curtain teardown.

>>5948853

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

I agree, most people on 4chan expecially the americans have a real boomer mentality and for some reason they believe they are special and will become rich one day but it wont happen and they know it deep down, i think one day /pol/ will swallow the REAL redpill when they realize they will never be rich the system is against all of us
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>>5953284
>>5953160
>>5953069
this
the USSR forced capitalist countries to make their citizens happy and avoid making wealth too unequal. muttland thrived when we had to actually compete with better nations (USSR)

>>5955468
the last red pill is realizing that communism was right, and it is the only reason eastern europe stayed white. Marxist-Leninist Communism is statist and not internationalist. They are against immigration, and free movement of people, and of capital, seeing travel and demography as tools of war against the peasant and the common man.

Meanwhile, degenerate neoliberalism, which will allow anything for a buck, promotes severe internationalism, and couldn't care less about the common working man, due to the slavish devotion to (((free trade))). All the while, their compound interest grows, and their share of the total wealth of the world astronomically increases. By 2100, for example, we will have multi-trillionaires, while common man's wealth continues to shrink. Neoliberalism also destroys culture, but promoting hedonism and degeneracy over high art, morality, conservative sexual ethics, drug use, and every other abomination you can think of, again, as long as it makes a buck.

The problem is neoliberalism, and internationalist capitalism. Not communism. When the Soviet Union and the Warsaw pact fell, that was the last hope of stopping the pozz, mass immigration, and degeneracy. Your haughty ego has caused this. Capitalism has caused this.

>inb4 bring up antifa/ancom degen gutter trash that never existed IRL or had any political influence
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>>5955504
I never understand the love affair that this place still seems to have with capitalism. The conclusion I always reach whenever I read anything political is that capitalist and non-capitalist social systems are a far greater dichotomy than any other factor, except maybe mechanistic and transcendent thought.

I'm in a very odd place at the moment as my two favourite political thinkers are Zizek and Julius Evola, who seem like they could not be more diametrically opposed except that they both agree that capitalism is the great corruptor of all civilisation. Evola traces this more generally to a focus on mechanistic reductionism post enlightenment, Zizek to the control of the narrative by capitalist soceities - the conceit that a post-capitalist world is not only utopian, but unthinkable. Capitalist Realism is an excellent book on this - it's argued that it's similar to the Socialist Realism lens of the USSR.

I love the idea of creating work for all, especially if it's in infastructure like Hitler/Roosevelt did. In what admittedly would be my ideal, a society focused on culture and transcendence would use such labour to build wonders of the world, simply for the sake of showing future generations their greatness as well as huge practical engineering projects like the hoover dam.

I suppose I'm more or less a Strasserite but I'm not particularly racist - though this being said the Jewish lobby/Israel are major threats to world civilisation and there are inferior and superior cultures - western values should be propagated.

I think the most important thing is to destroy corporations and enforce popular government, and also to eradicate """experts""" from business being brought into everything, including education, because supposedly business models need to be applied to everything. So there should be a communal system where people of each industry make decisions within their field.
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>>5952083
We got completely fucked up by (((western ideaology))) after the iron curtain fell. Just looking, for example, at our movies, before the revolution every movie was different, but after it everything has sex, violence and naked women. That's how the first generations of absolute sluts came to be here, they got brainwashed ever since they were children. And, of course, our jewish friends came here and to Hungary and set their porn studios up while saying how being a pornstar is great and a normal job in the west. And the rest you know. Basically, it's just womyn being womyn and jews being jews.

Jumping on a foreign cock in an attempt to leave shitty rashka to become a parasite in somewhere more prosperious place is not called being tricked. They allways cry and say there were forced to do it, but it's all fake.

Herskovitz (Woodman) casting vids go back to the 90s. I can't believe how such an ape looking broken toothed frog can lure women into a hotel room to be videotaped losing their anal virginity so often. next you'll see them getting triple blacked - they probably have to get rectal surgery once they retire.

Woodman aka Marc Dorcel, with his real name being Marcel Herskovitz. He even has a sob story about how his parents survived the holocaust™

Tbh it's not really just russian women, also ukies, moldovans and so on. It's the same with porn here, the pornstars are usually all czech or slovak, but the people who get all the money are american/french jews and their russian mafia (also jews btw) friends who bring them girls from russia.
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>>5948853
>>5949609

People in Iron Curtain lived better than you dipshit.

A citizen of the Iron Curtain got his own house/apartment/land, a young virgin wife, got to have many kids and pass on his genes, worked less than 40 hours a week, and it was all white people.

A modern worker in a capitalist country like America, could work 40 hours a week, and barely be able to afford a 1-room apartment, and be a fucking incel, or MAYBE date some used-up slut with HPV who will eventually divorce and take the kids + alimony + child-support if you ever actually got married and had kids.

But sure, capitalism isn't the problem.

Capitalism is great.
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>>5955554
Capitalism is secular talmudism. The talmud is the only religious book which doesn’t explicitly say that capital is a sin.

>>5948817
Stalin = Chad af

Imagine a system where 80% of the parasite (political) class is murdered... bliss.
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>>5952083

No Revolution occured in the USSR in 1991
It was dissolved against the peoples (Pic Related) will by a bunch of Mobsters Oligarchs and Liberal politicans (Yel*sin Go*bs)
And the vast majority of the population in the former SSR's view the illegal dissolution as a mistake / betrayal

The collapse of standard of living in all measurable standards was caused by Yel*sin's shock reforms
Christ just look at the death rate before and after 1991

>>5955511
Historically and currently capitalist nations have benefitted on NOT providing for the basic needs of their citizens. South american favelas where people die from food poisoning and preventable deseases while laboring 10 hours a day for a few dollars made constant GDP growth, but at the cost of a life not worth living. The same thing is happening in US and south Korea, but there they use the "bread and circuses" of flashy consumer products and entertainment to make people forget that theyll work until 80 years old, live in a shitty shack, and get a tiny pension if any.
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>>5953160
The collapse of the Soviet Union ruined everything

Hear me out.

Communism was basically the best thing to happen to the (Capitalist) West.

By isolating Eastern Europe, Yugoslavia, China and Latin America economically, Communism kept billions of cheap labor and goods out of the West.

Competition between the two systems (Capitalism vs Communism) meant that the elites in capitalist countries had to prove to their population that they’re better off than under Communism. This insured accessible education and housing, stable wage growth, lots of benefits and appeasement for simple workers.

After the Soviet Union was dismantled, neoliberal capitalism was let loose. Capital became global and now countries have to compete for it by lowering wages and labor standards.

Globalism is the direct result of the collapse of Communism. Notice how globalization basically began as soon as the Iron Curtail fell. The elites no longer had to pretend they cared about the will of the population, since the sole competitor to global dominance was defeated.

Communism wasa blessing for those who lived in Capitalist nation during its reign.
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>hated jews
>purged them from the party and from the parties of the satelites
>if he suddenly didn't (((die))), high chance he would attack Israel
>Stalinism is also the least fucked up version of communism, which is why eastern europe is still kind of normal compared to the west
He might have not been redpilled, but he was kind of based
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>>5952567
I lived in socialist Yugoslavia - and it was better than the US of AIPAC in every possible way (I spent around 14 years in the US and 20ish in YU). Their current socialism for the rich and feudalism for everyone else is the most pathetic BS I have ever seen. And no American I know is happy - even (or especially) the very rich people I know (some are billionaires). They are getting more scared and depressed by the day. Completely lost and even hoarding/stingy

The psychopath - worshiping US of AIPAC is a society completely removed from human biology and our instincts which took millions of years to evolve. Once lost these instincts are impossible to rebuild. Especially in a predatory dystopia without many (or any) connective social rituals left- where any cohesion was sold out decades ago. Everyone is competing rabidly against everyone else for ever even and especially when this competition hurts them (like dumb slaves)
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>>5955124
My parents and grandparents grew up, lived and worked in the USSR, and they all say they'd rather live there than under the prosperous slavery of capitalism.

>>5953246
Classical brainwashed McDonalds eater,literally EVERYONE in russia is trying to get jobs and cant because of capitalism,and EVERYONE was employed back in USSR as factories started working from 7 am to 3 pm
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>>5955236
If the USSR was so bad, why do my grandparents say that life was fine there and if it didn't collapse they would have stayed?

My grandpa wasn't a Jew or in the communist party either. Just an engineer who was hard working. In fact he barely knew what Marxism was.
>"porn, what's that! get a job and get a wife, faggot!"
>"cursing? better watch your mouth! how were you raised?"
>"homosexuals are mentally ill."
>"Crime? Into gulag you go!"
>"you are unemployed? Don't worry. You will automatically get a job and in turn you will receive an apartment and food."
>"Ethnic tensions? You nuts? We've got better stuff to do, like working and raising kids!"
>"Ads? What's that?"
>"Jews? Be careful son, they are sneaky as fuck."
>"Religion? Lol what a bunch of nonsense. Education, technology and science are superior to superstition!"
>"You have no kids? Are you mentally ill? I have 4 sons!"

Sounds like the most /pol/ state in existence TBQH and it is not LARPing either like the natzees, just real down to earth people
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>>5952297
Didnt tell you on CNN,in communism people didnt lock their doors,science vas valued,there was no crime,no degenerates,no homeless people.Didnt tell you on CNN about hardest universities and men working and going to millitary where women were respected citizens not instagram useless whores who only care about material stuff.Didnt tell you on CNN communism had most literate population and MOST importantly,no billionaries and trillionaries,industry worked for people not for profit,meaning jobs were guaranteed because you couldnt get fired,as hunt for proffit is not needed.Marxism sees profit of capitalist as theft.There were no Jeff Bezos who shiped their factories to China for slave labour who were tax exempt.There was friendship between people.Domestic products not foreign.Because there was no hunt for profit,culture was being created.Communism preserved culture,whether in East Germany,Romania,Yugoslavia or Russia.Now Russia is a Starbucks hellhole demoralized piece of shit full of crime like any capitalist society with oligarchs at the top making money.Communism was most advanced period of human civilization,that drove both Soviet Union and USA to create incredible scientific boom and stability.After fall of USSR whole planet went to shit.Rise of LGBT degenearacy etc.Of course people love USSR and socialism because thats their identity in Eastern Europe.Our countries were built from scratch.And now EU and foreign banks have taken over and made women worthleess materialistic whores with men getting in 40 year lones to buy houses.Capitalism is a joke give me a break
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>>5949758
Gods sake, this shit again? When the fuck will people see past the western propaganda? Even Romanians, the most oppressed people by the Communists, actually preferred the days of Ceausescu (at least before he went completely insane) than whats going on right now

Seriously, when will people stop demonizing the USSR as some 1984 ultra-dystopia and realize that for the average person life was pretty much okay?

>>5949619
ppl liked that they were safe when they went outside at any hour and in any place. there were no troublemakers. but if you were out at midnight on tuesday you better had a reason for not sleeping for your job the next morning.
you didn't have to bribe a doctor everytime you went for a checkup. there were no bribes, no tips, no premiums, no fees, no deductibles, no insurance scams.
everyone had a job. if you couldn't get a job then the state gave you one.
if you joined the party you got a free apartment. maybe a car. that meant you basically became a snitch and had to report unusual activity in your circle of friends or at work.

ceausescu banned abortion with the aim of boosting the demographics. porn was banned. any degenerate behavior landed you in jail. no pirate beards, no pink hair, no small dress.

>>5952083
most goyim revolted at the time because they didn't have rap music and mcdonalds. things to pass off the time.
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>>5955044
>stop eating food, comrades
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>>5955235
>Sov tanks roll into Hungary
>like we said, stop eating food, comrades
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>>5956697
>ignores millions of starving homeless outside his basement
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>>5958218
in the former Soviet Union?
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>>5958767
>USSR had no homeless and provided everyone with shelter

A nation of sociopathic demons would never achieve an egalitarian society that guarantees everyone shelter, education, healthcare, job and pension at 50, but a sociopathic society would achieve a corrupt dystopian shithole with millions of homeless like amerilardland
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>>5959126
>stop eating food, comrade
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>>5948894
Slavs are only capable of laughing at themselves.
t. Slav
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>>5955663
>Even Romanians, the most oppressed people by the Communists, actually preferred the days of Ceausescu (at least before he went completely insane) than whats going on right now
Lol, lies of the commie never end. I've been to Romania and spoke with many of them in Bucuresti, Alba Iulia, Cluj, Sibiu and Oradea and all agreed that living with one hour of electricity a day and no running water was dreadful.
Now they have the fastest Internet in Europe, actual humane living conditions and they aren't prosecuted for their political stance.
Only good things I've heard about communist Romania was that the families were closer together and the state farms were making the landscape seem more cultivated and supported traditional peasant way of life.
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>>5955252
>Everything back then was so clean, smart and humanist, no degeneracy, no drugs, no emigration to the West, no prostitution, FUCK WE LITERALLY LOST PARADISE!
Tak kurwa, mój dziadek musiał harować na kopalni, która zniszczyła jego zdrowie, ponieważ nie mógł wykarmić rodziny z ziemi przez bandyckie ceny skupu i kontyngenty. Po wybuchu metanu stracił słuch w jednym uchu i cierpiał na chroniczny ból, ale nie przyznano mu renty i jako rolnik nie miał ubezpieczenia. Musiał płacić za każdą wizytę. Nie mógł się ubłagać o pozwolenie na budowę nowego domu, kupna traktora. Dołączył do partii, żeby mieć lepsze dojścia, ale kiedy chciał zabrać głos na pierwszym spotkaniu przewodniczący kazał mu się zamknąć jako pospolitemu chłopkowi, więc dziadek pierdolnął legitymacją o podłogę i wyszedł. Musiał wydać tysiące złotych na łapówki i czekać do 1988 na jebany traktor.
Prąd we wsi został założony w 1981 and asfaltowa droga była zbudowana w 77. Od 1976 podstawowe produkty były na kartki, ludzie z Małopolski musieli jeździć do Gliwic, żeby móc kupić swoim dzieciom buty i przedmioty szkolne.
Mój pradziadek został dwa razy okradziony z wszystkich pieniędzy podczas wymian w 1946 i 1950. Nie mówiąc już o tym, że jego rodzina musiała pracować w czasie żniw przy kopaniu drogi w ramach czynu społecznego.
Rodziców mojego ojca pracujących w POM wyrzucono z domu i zakwaterowano w chujowym M4 (za co kazano zapłacić), mimo, że mieli wtedy czwórkę dzieci. Władza nie zadbała, by jej robotnicy mieli ogrzewanie w domach i dziadkowie sami musieli sobie postawić piece kaflowe.
Ale jakiś pierdolony syn oficerów SB będzie okłamywał angoli na radzieckiej stronie filatelistycznej, że w PRL był raj.
I oczywiście nie było syfu, prostytucji ani narkomanii, rzeczy tak powszechnych, że były nagminne nawet w milicyjnej propagandzie jak "07 zgłoś się".
Gardzę takimi kłamcami jak ty, parszywy komuchu.
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>>5960855
Google Translate this shit, I have no nerve to fucking write in English a personal response to such blatent commie lies.
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>>5960855
agreed, Polish People's Republic was the best period of our history, which provided us with guaranteed shelter, education, healthcare, job, and pension at 50.

We need to re-establish PPR and destroy the exploiters of our proud Polish People.



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