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With judgment, is it fair to say that ultimately all Arab animosity against us is due to our support of Israel?
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>>5920182
Yes.
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They hate our freedoms first and foremost.
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>>5920182
No, it's due to their (((holy texts))) and (((religious leaders))).
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No. The US also props up a lot of governments in Muslim countries that Islamists dislike, for both good and bad reasons.
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>>5920182
Not just Israel. Support and active aid of regimes like the Saudis doesn't help.
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>>5920182

No. They have animosity because of religion, precisely the Sunnite sect since before Israel was created. I'm not a zionist but this does not blind me to the sunnite threat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/99-01-02-0569

>The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

Not Arab but still Islamic (Sunnite).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sumatran_expedition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sumatran_expedition


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah_Abdullah

https://www.baka.com.au/national/nsw/broken-hill-new-years-day-1915-was-australias-first-terrorist-attack-20141014-115weh.html

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-battle-of-broken-hill-113650077/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-01/broken-hill-remembers-wwi-attack/5995854
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I was thinking, the US/Europe should try to appease the Palestinian people by offering them land elsewhere. I know the hardliners will not accept and of course the victims of Israel will also not accept. But the rest of the Palestinians might and then maybe in a century there won't have anyone to recruit to fight against us.
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>>5920228
>>5920239
Saudis are unironically better than Erdoğan and Muslim Brotherhood now except for theor bombing of Houthis in Yemen. But both Saudis and Houthis want to kill the Muslim Brotherhood in Ta'iz. Muslim Brotherhood and Houthis hate each other. You westerners should watch out for Muslim Brotherhood supporting groups like CAIR which preach democracy in western languages but death to non-Muslims in other languages. The Ottoman Sufis killed millions of Shia and Christian civilians in their history and raped millions of white Christian women in Europe while Saudis killed several thousand Shia civilians and no Christians. Wahhabis are evil but the Ottoman Sufists and Muslim Brotherhood are the most evil.
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>>5920261
OK sure I will trust the word of a guy with middle eastern origins. Definitely not biased at all. Lol. I know all of you Arabs hate each other for billions of reasons. The west has no reason to give a shit about your inner squabbles.
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>>5920246

Why? So they can leech welfare and do terror here instead? I seem to recall them dancing in the streets with joy when 9/11 happened.
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>>5920271
The Muslim Brotherhood wants to infiltrate your countries and said Islam will take over the west. Erdoğan said Turks and Islam will take over the west. They are your enemies. They are in your countries and are paid by Turkey. They want to rape your daughters. Their goal is a caliphate all over the world.
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America is better off allying with Indo-European Iran rather than Semitic and Zionist Israel. For a bunch of pan-nationalists, the American right are sure reluctant to look to the interests of Indo-European cousins.

Beyond the ethnic dimensions, aligning with Iran is the only way that the United States can maintain its hegemony in the Middle East. If the United States can seek a sincere ally in Iran, achieve detente with China, then OBOR can be turned into a weapon to thwart Duginism. By allying with Iran, the United States can merge Atlanticism with China's geopolitics. Iran is this nexus. Connecting Iran with Turkey and the OBOR would allow Chinese and American trade to cross the Eurasian continent unhindered while Russia starves.

For all their bloodthirsty cake-slicing of nations, imperialists are so blind to the options available with Iran. Israel is a scourge and needs to be raped out of existence.
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>>5920311
You make good friends of a former enemy, literally what we did with Israel.
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>>5920341
China and the US have mutually exclusive interests and Iran isn’t a stable nor willing go-between for either nation. The Chinese don’t really care for the Iranians anymore than they do the Russians.
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>>5920341
I believe the US hates Iran for ulterior reasons to Israel entirely. They are just a sort of independent entity in the region, so naturally they are the enemy.
Then the whole thing got mixed up with Israel because Iran funds anti-Israel groups, but that only happened later because Palestine was a convenient ally for Iran.
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>>5920347
>China and the US have mutually exclusive interests
doubt, we both need each other to generate wealth
the only people we really have beef with are the Russians since they're obsessed with resurrecting their old empire
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>>5920341
>>5920347
Iran isn't really an ally or client of Russia. They have different interests in Syria, it's more like they are both allies of Syria and Syria uses them as a balance against each other. But Syria's military corp is closer to Russia I think. Iran was against the Soviet Union and Iran supported Bosniaks against Serbs while Assad didn't care. Assad and Iran say very different things about the Rohingya situation, the Syrian UN ambassador and Syrian Grand Mufti support Myanmar's position unlike Iran.
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>>5920240
None of the events you listed were by Arabs you dumbass
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>>5920456
I agree that Arabized peoples outiside of the Arabian peninsula are not real Arabs but I assume the OP is talking about Arabic speakers like Algerians, Tunisians, and Libyans who undoubtedly participated in the Barbary wars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War

Before the other events mentioned I stated

>Not Arab but still Islamic (Sunnite).

Real Arabs from the Arabian peninsula have preyed on westerners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf_campaign_of_1809

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf_campaign_of_1819
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>>5920473
>who undoubtedly participated in the Barbary wars
[citation needed]
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>>5920182
No. They hate Europe because Europe colonized large chunks of the Middle East. They hate the US because they are colonizing large chunks of the Middle East. Additionally, they hate both the US and Europe for the same as Russia: they were the West's enemy for 40 years during the Cold War, so they were taught to hate the West.
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>>5920533
>They hate the US because they are colonizing large chunks of the Middle East

How many millions US settlers are there in the ME?
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>>5920515
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raïs_Hamidou

>Rais Hamidou or Hamidu, also called Hammida or Amidon (in the American literature) (1773–1815) was a famous Algerine corsair. He captured many ships during his career. Hamidou died in the Battle off Cape Gata against an American squadron commanded by Stephen Decatur in 1815. The commune of Raïs Hamidou in Algiers, is named after him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Cape_Gata

>The Battle off Cape Gata, which took place June 17, 1815, off the south-east coast of Spain, was the first battle of the Second Barbary War. A squadron of vessels, under the command of Stephen Decatur, Jr., met and engaged the flagship of the Algerine Navy, the frigate Meshuda under Admiral Hamidou. After a sharp action, Decatur's squadron was able to capture the Algerine frigate and win a decisive victory over the Algerines.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Agha

>Omar Agha was the Dey of the Regency of Algiers from April 1815 to September 1817, after the assassination of his predecessor Mohamed Kharnadji the 7th of April 1815, who had been in office for only 17 days.
>He launched a war against Tunis, and led the Attacks of Barbary privateers on American ships. An expedition of the US Navy led by Commodore Stephen Decatur in command of a squadron of nine ships, was conducted in 1815 against the Regency of Algiers. The episode is known as the Second Barbary War. The operation forced Dey Omar to sign a treaty ending attacks of piracy, a treaty that he denounced shortly thereafter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Algeria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Tripolitania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Tunisia
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>>5920515

These people are as "Arab" as Arabic speaking Berbers are. Either they are Arabs or no one outside of the Arabian peninsula is Arabs which I would agree with but most peoples didn't known

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kouloughlis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Tunisia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Algeria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Libya
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>>5920550
Rais Hamidou was a Kabyle from the deepest kabyle moutains, a native BERBER african, and he was blond and had blue eyes.
He has nothing to do with arabs and is totally unrelated to any arab speaker.

Omar Agha was GREEK.

Why wikipedia autist and spammer like you try to discuss things they know nothing about?
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>>5920556
Your sentance was:
>Arabic speakers like Algerians, Tunisians, and Libyans who undoubtedly participated in the Barbary wars

Prove it.

I don't see why posting wikipedia page of "Turks in Algeria/Tunisia/Libya" prove that arab speaker algerian/tunisian/libyan did the barbary trade.
Since when turks = arabs?
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>>5920182
>Is Israel the only reason that Arabs hate us?

That and the whole "let's draw up these borders for colonization and oil" thing.
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>>5920533
>No. They hate Europe because Europe colonized large chunks of the Middle East. They hate the US because they are colonizing large chunks of the Middle East.

How about when they colonized Europe and killed millions of Europeans and raped millions of European women?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_invasion_of_Gaul

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Andalus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimania#Muslim_Septimania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Maghreb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_bin_Nusayr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_sicily

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman–Habsburg_wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Turkish_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_wars_in_Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Crete

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War
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>>5920591
Why don't you reply to >>5920560 ?

Or are you ashmed of claiming that a blond berber and a greek from the lesbos islands are arab speakers?

Can you debate instead of spamming wikipedia links?
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>>5920591
>raped millions of European women

[citation needed]

Womens were like 5% of the slaves captured by the barbary pirats (so 50,000 at best) and touching them wasn't allowed.

There never was any "millions of rape" in Al Andalus, the muslims that conquered it were 12,000 and even if some took spouse there, there is no case of "millions of rapes"

You can't just make shit up and spam.
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>>5920560
>>5920564
Then no one outside or the Arabian peninsula is Arab. North Africans, Egyptians, Sudanese, Levantines, north Mesopotamians are not Arabs but only peoples who speak Arabic. Only the tribes of the Arabian peninsula and the deserts of eastern Syria and southern and southwestern Iraq are Arab. The OP's question is invalid then because I doubt he understand that this is the real meaning of Arab. Algerians, Moroccans, Tunisians, and Libyans are all Berbers who only speak Arabic. Turks and Kouloughlis in North Africa speak Arabic like Berbers do.
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>>5920618
Quote me a citation that prove that there was some arabized berber who spoke arab and that involved in the barbary slave trade.

>Turks and Kouloughlis in North Africa speak Arabic
[citation needed]

Quote me some citation about arab-speaking Kouloughlis and Turks involved in the barbary slave trade
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>>5920604
This European woman was raped in North Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guðríður_Símonardóttir

>Guðríður Símonardóttir (1598 – December 18, 1682) was an Icelandic woman who was one of 242 people abducted from the Westman Islands, Iceland in 1627 in a raid by Barbary pirates.[1] These raids came to be known as the Turkish abductions and Guðríður became known as Tyrkja-Gudda. After being held as a slave and concubine for nearly a decade, she was one of a few captives ransomed by the Danish king. She returned to Iceland, marrying the young pastor Hallgrímur Pétursson, who became known for his poetry and hymns.

This European man was castrated in North Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Rowlie

>Samson Rowlie (died after 1577), was Chief Eunuch and Treasurer of Algiers during Ottoman rule. Born in Norfolk, England, the son of Francis Rowlie, he was captured and castrated by the Ottomans in 1577.[1] He converted from Christianity to Islam and took the name Hassan Aga.[2] He served the Beglerbeg of Algiers, Uluç Ali Pasha.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judar_Pasha

>Born as Diego de Guevara in Cuevas del Almanzora[1] (Crown of Castile), Judar[2] had been captured by Muslim slave-raiders as a baby. As a young boy he joined the service of Moroccan Sultan Ahmad I al-Mansur Saadi. Like many of Ahmad's officers, Judar was a eunuch, having been castrated as a boy by his owners.
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I didn't knew that one case = millions (not really even rape, she was married for decades)

Maybe you're into math but a million is 1,000,000

one is 1

Like I said

>Womens were like 5% of the 0.8-1.2 slaves captured by the barbary pirats (so 50,000 at best) and touching them wasn't allowed.

On the 50,000, the extreme majority of them was released after few years when they paid ransom.
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>>5920604
The Arab and Berber men were promised the European maidens of Al-Andalus to be their rape sex slaves when they invaded.

http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/imperialism/readings/tarik.html

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/711Tarik1.asp
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>>5920182
It isn't the only reason, but it is definitely one of them.
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>>5920654
They were promised marriage and spouses, not rape. Wich wasn't allowed.

Also

12,000 soldiers =/= millions of rape. I still need a citation about those "millions of rapes"

give me a number to quantify the rape cases in Al Andalus

You can't invent numbers from your head. It doesnt work like that.
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>>5920670
So European women would willingly marry foreign invaders who killed their fathers, brothers, and husbands. The delusion is strong. The Umayyads sent Arabs stationed in Syria to Al-Andalus To occupy the country after the initial 12,000.
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>>5920670
This is how North African men behave today to European women.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015–16_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany
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>>5920698
According to 17-18th spanish and italians literatture and accounts, the womens captured by the barbary pirats had a better life and would rather stay as a spouse to rich barbary citizen than go back to their home countries.

It was the same for mens too, to some extent.


In all cases, we are speaking about 50,000 womens at best over 300 years.

Your "millions" or imaginary rapes are an imgination out of your ass.
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>>5920710
>24 rapes

Still a bit far from "millions".
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>>5920182
No it's because of interference and intervention. Israel too though.
You guys say borders should be closed and then you invade other countries instead.
Everyone knows USA did Syria
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>>5920710
>>5920714
For exemple, since you like numbers

North african
>24 rapes

Germans
>Other sources estimate that rapes of Soviet women by the Wehrmacht range up to 10,000,000 incidents, with between 750,000 and 1,000,000 children being born as a result.[86][87][88][94]
You see, 10 millions is bigger than 24

it's actually 1 north african rape for 416666 germans one.
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>>5920545
The entire US army
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>>5920712

Sex slavery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_malakat_aymanukum


https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20085/intercourse-with-female-prisoners-of-war

>In the answer to question no. 10382 we have stated that Islam permits a man to have intercourse with his slave woman whether he has one or more wives or he is not married.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20802/intercourse-with-a-slave-woman-is-not-regarded-as-zina-adultery

>Allaah has permitted intimacy with a slave woman if the man owns her. This is not regarded as adultery as suggested in the question. Allaah says, describing the believers (interpretation of the meaning):

>“those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)

>Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess,__ for then, they are free from blame”

>[al-Mu’minoon 23:5]

>What is meant by “those whom their right hands possess” is slave women or concubines. See also question no. 10382, 12562.

>Once this is understood, it should be noted that what is suggested in the question, that this was zina, never occurred to the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). What they were asking about was the ruling on practicing ‘azl with the slave women whom they had acquired in the course of jihad.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13737/what-is-the-ruling-on-intimacy-with-slave-women

>Allaah is Most Wise in the laws that He decrees for His slaves, but this wisdom is only apparent to those who seek it and believe that Allaah is All Wise, and looks at the interests that are served by the laws of Allaah which no man can see unless he ponders the matter, especially when there are those who attack those laws because they go against what they think are right and wise.

>With regard to your question about it being permissible for a master to be intimate with his slave woman, the answer is that that is because Allaah has permitted it. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
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>>5920728
They're not settlers and there is bearly any US troops in the only country the US invaded : iraq.
Few thousands at best.

And they'll be leaving soon. They're helping Iraq and the Iraqi state in their fight against terror.
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>>5920712
>>5920732

>That is subject to the condition that he has acquired her in a proper manner, and that this slave woman has not been given by her master in marriage to another man to whom she is still married. The reason why this is permitted is that this slave woman belongs to him, either because he has paid money to buy her or he has fought for the sake of Allaah (and acquired her among the war booty).

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/21380/ruling-on-a-muslim-man-marrying-a-non-muslim-woman-and-vice-versa
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>>5920712
>>5920732
>>5920736


https://sunnah.com/muslim/16/147

>Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (ﷺ), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160106101656/http://islamqa.info/en/10382

>Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married.

>A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage.

>Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also did that, as did the Sahaabah, the righteous and the scholars. The scholars are unanimously agreed on that and it is not permissible for anyone to regard it as haraam or to forbid it. Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.

>The Book of Allaah indicates that the sexual relationships that are permitted are only of two types, either marriage or those (women slaves) whom one’s right hand possesses.

>The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them.

https://islamqa.info/ar/answers/10382/%D8%AD%D9%83%D9%85-%D8%AC%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D9%85%D8%B9-%D9%88%D8%AC%D9%88%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%AC%D8%A9
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>>5920732
50000 women at most over 300 years.
166 women a year.
It's literally nothing. Americans enslaved way more blacks
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>>5920734
They're also raping all the local women
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>>5920347
China is deeply invested in keeping its economic and political alliance with Iran and Russia, even if with the latter they are competing over influence in Central Asia and Africa.
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>>5920742

This is how slaves were treated.

https://islamicvirtues.com/2013/12/25/killing-non-muslims-and-slaves/

https://islamicvirtues.com/2013/12/21/god-condemns-the-slaves-who-run-away-from-their-masters/

https://islamicvirtues.com/2013/12/12/superiority-of-the-race-of-arabs-over-non-arabs/

https://islamicvirtues.com/2013/12/13/non-arab-men-are-not-suitable-for-marriage/

https://islamicvirtues.com/2013/12/02/benefits-of-drinking-the-blessed-urine-of-our-holy-prophet-s/

https://scholarspen.blogspot.com/2005/05/prophets-urine_10.html

https://islamicvirtues.com/2014/02/01/scientific-miracle-islam-meat-spoilage/
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>>5920732
Cool, but it's still a number inferior 50,000 over a 300 years old period. Less than 200 rapes per year. And that's assuming all of them got married and "raped".
The numbers of white womens enslaved was estimated around 1200 in 1670 in the barbary state of algiers.

We're still far from your millions. Not even a 1/10th of that.

Meanwhile

>The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported nearly 1.3 million incidents that year
>The majority of rapes in the United States go unreported.[284][277]

They rape thousands times more each year than the whole barbary states in 300 years.
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>>5920743
[citation needed]
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>>5920746
Nope, those 7th religious textes from those shitty websites doesn't represent the reality of the slave condition across all the islamic world during the last 14 centuries.

theory =/= reality
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>>5920182
Baathism is literally the only thing that can save the Muslim World
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>>5920761

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_Goumier#Reported_atrocities

>The military achievements of the Goumiers in Italy were accompanied by widespread reports of war crimes: "...exceptional numbers of Moroccans were executed—many without trial—for allegedly murdering, raping, and pillaging their way across the Italian countryside. The French authorities sought to defuse the problem by importing numbers of Berber women to serve as "camp followers" in rear areas set aside exclusively for the Goumiers."[2] According to Italian sources, more than 7,000 people were raped by Goumiers. [3] Those rapes, later known in Italy as Marocchinate, were against women, children and men, including some priests. The mayor of Esperia (a comune in the Province of Frosinone), reported that in his town, 700 women out of 2,500 inhabitants were raped and that some had died as a result. In northern Latium and southern Tuscany, it is alleged that the Goumiers raped and occasionally killed women and young men after the Germans retreated, including members of partisan formations.[4].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marocchinate

>Marocchinate (pronounced [marokkiˈnate], Italian for "Moroccans’ deeds") is a term applied to the mass rape and killings committed during World War II after the Battle of Monte Cassino in Italy. These were committed mainly by the Moroccan Goumiers, colonial troops of the French Expeditionary Corps (FEC),[1] commanded by General Alphonse Juin, and mostly targeted civilian women and girls (as well as a few men and boys) in the rural area between Naples and Rome, traditionally known in Italian as Ciociaria.
>The monument "Mamma Ciociara" was erected in remembrance of the Marocchinate women, particularly those who were killed during the military campaign.
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>>5920761

https://newrepublic.com/article/102134/spanish-holocaust-francisco-franco

>During the civil war of 1936 to 1939, the Spanish Foreign Legion and the Regulares, fighting for the nationalist side, mutilated corpses, massacred prisoners, and raped working-class women. The Foreign Legion, despite the name, was composed mainly of Spaniards, with a few Cubans and other Latin Americans. The Regulares, again despite the name, were Muslim troops recruited in Morocco, and promised pillage in Spain. Preston is as restrained as he can be in the presentation of the regular gang rape of Spanish women by Muslim mercenaries under the command of Spanish nationalists. This was part and parcel of Franco’s policy.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2011/04/04/inenglish/1301894444_850210.amp.html

>"The huge difference between the two zones," says Preston, "is that one of the fundamental principles of the Second Republic was respect for women and women's rights. In the rebel-held areas, systematic rape by the columns of Moroccan troops was part of the plan to instill terror." After the capture of any town or village, troops were given two hours during which they could loot and rape. Preston describes the scene witnessed by US journalist John T. Whitaker, who accompanied the rebel forces, in the village of Navalcarnero, close to Madrid. Two young women, barely in their twenties, one of whom was accused of belonging to a labor union, were brought before General Mohammed Ben Mizzian, the highest-ranking Moroccan officer in Franco's army. After interrogating them, he then handed them over to some 40 Moroccan soldiers barracked in a school. When Whitaker protested, he was told by Mizzian: "Don't worry, they won't survive more than four hours."
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>>5920767
>2,000 rape cases

Far from millions. It's not even 0.2% of a million.

If you want millions of rape:
>10 millions germans rapes
>2 millions soviet rapes
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>>5920761

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-morocco-spain-war/morocco-tackles-painful-role-in-spains-past-idUSTRE50E0NT20090115

>Slimane Betmaki smiles at the memory of the terror he inflicted on Spanish villagers on behalf of former dictator Francisco Franco.
>He and many of his comrades recruited to Franco’s cause still cling to a belief in the rightness of the fight against suspected sympathizers of Spanish communist “Rojos” (Reds), whom Moroccan conscripts saw as the enemies of religion.

>Now 98, he recalls children, women and the elderly fleeing at the sound of the Islamic prayers he and his fellow soldiers chanted while attacking and destroying their settlements.
>“We spared nothing and no one. We uprooted everything and killed everyone we encountered,” Betmaki said with pride. “We chanted an Islamic prayer to praise the Prophet Mohammed before launching raids. Horrified Spaniards attempted to flee as soon as they heard the words of our prayer.”

http://www.albavolunteer.org/2013/01/%E2%80%9Cbrother%E2%80%9D-north-morocco%E2%80%99s-involvement-in-the-spanish-civil-war/

>In the actual conflict, the Ejército de África played a decisive role in various crucial battles that lead to the dictatorship of Franco. The first group of soldiers arrived in Cádiz in July 1936, and was the beginning of what would total 80,000 Moroccan soldiers fighting in peninsular Spain. These same men were instructed to terrorize villages upon arrival of the fascist forces. This was a deliberate decision by the fascist forces to relate the barbaric side of the war with the re-emergence of the mythical image of the “maligno moro” (dangerous Moor) of the re-conquest period of Spanish history. While the Moroccan soldiers committed war atrocities, the fascist army planted fear in Spanish citizens’ hearts and demonstrated its power without staining the reputation of the government that would emerge following the war.
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>>5920772
Few hundreds to thousands cases.

Irrelevant.
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>>5920774
see >>5920777


Irrelevant. Far from millions.

It's more of an anecdote than anything else.
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>>5920712
>>5920714
>>5920722
>>5920742
>>5920748
>>5920761
>>5920773

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade
>Ohio State University history Professor Robert Davis describes the White Slave Trade as minimized by most modern historians in his book Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500–1800. Davis estimates that 1 million to 1.25 million Europeans were enslaved in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th, by slave traders from Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli alone (these numbers do not include the European people which were enslaved by Morocco and by other raiders and traders of the Mediterranean Sea coast),[3] and roughly 700 Americans were held captive in this region as slaves between 1785 and 1815.[4] However, to extrapolate his numbers, Davis assumes the number of European slaves captured by Barbary pirates were constant for a 250-year period, stating:
>"There are no records of how many men, women and children were enslaved, but it is possible to calculate roughly the number of fresh captives that would have been needed to keep populations steady and replace those slaves who died, escaped, were ransomed, or converted to Islam. On this basis it is thought that around 8,500 new slaves were needed annually to replenish numbers - about 850,000 captives over the century from 1580 to 1680. By extension, for the 250 years between 1530 and 1780, the figure could easily have been as high as 1,250,000."[5]
>Perpetrated largely on Europeans, and within in-land routes to indigenous European inhabitants. These peoples were systematically preyed upon and turned into slaves, acquired by Barbary pirates during slave raids on ships and by raids on coastal towns from Italy to the Netherlands, as far north as Iceland and in the eastern shores of the Mediterranean.
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>>5920788
Academics and historians put the % of womens in the captured slaves around 5%. So one million slave, it's 50,000.

Also 90% of those slaves, male or female, were liberated after 1, 3, 5 or 7 years, depending on the home countring buying them back.

Unlike slaves in the west, who stayed all their lives slaves.
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>>5920751

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings

The Mahmudiyah rape and killings involved the gang-rape and killing of 14-year-old Iraqi girl Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi and the murder of her family by United States Army soldiers on March 12, 2006. It occurred in the family's house to the southwest of Yusufiyah, a village to the west of the town of Al-Mahmudiyah, Iraq. Others of al-Janabi's family killed included her 34-year-old mother Fakhriyah Taha Muhasen, 45-year-old father Qassim Hamza Raheem, and six-year-old sister Hadeel Qassim Hamza Al-Janabi.[1]
Charged with the crimes of rape and murder were five U.S. Army soldiers of the 502nd Infantry Regiment consisting of Sergeant Paul E. Cortez, Specialist James P. Barker, Private First Class Jesse V. Spielman, Private First Class Brian L. Howard, and Private First Class Steven D. Green.[2] Private Green was discharged from the U.S. Army for mental instability before the crimes were known by his command, whereas Cortez, Barker, Spielman and Howard were tried by U.S. Army General Courts Martial and convicted of the crimes and sentenced to prison.[2] Green was tried in a United States civilian court and convicted of rape and the four murders and also sentenced to life in prison.[3]
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>>5920788
>>5920799

Also """""slaves"""""" in Algiers/Tunis isn't the same as plantation owner in America. This isn't Django or 18th US.

Most of them were domestics ""slaves"", so just garden work, changing the sheets etc.
They could also move rather freely, get jobs and make money.

>Domestic slavery has always been very gentle in this country, it is less a state of servitude than an exchange of service[...]. And there were many lucrative jobs in Algiers that were held by slaves.
>William Shaller, Esquisse de l’état d’Alger, Paris, Bouchène, 2001, p. 72


Many of them had a way better life as """slave""" there than free in the west. It has been documented a lot.
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>>5920811
one rape case in 2006 =/= "They're also raping all the local women"

The guy who did that got decades of jail and hanged himself, he's dead now.
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>>5920819

And having their genitals cut off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Rowlie

>Samson Rowlie (died after 1577), was Chief Eunuch and Treasurer of Algiers during Ottoman rule. Born in Norfolk, England, the son of Francis Rowlie, he was captured and castrated by the Ottomans in 1577.[1] He converted from Christianity to Islam and took the name Hassan Aga.[2] He served the Beglerbeg of Algiers, Uluç Ali Pasha.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judar_Pasha

>Born as Diego de Guevara in Cuevas del Almanzora[1] (Crown of Castile), Judar[2] had been captured by Muslim slave-raiders as a baby. As a young boy he joined the service of Moroccan Sultan Ahmad I al-Mansur Saadi. Like many of Ahmad's officers, Judar was a eunuch, having been castrated as a boy by his owners.
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>>5920833
>And having their genitals cut off.
That was very rare and concern an extreme minority of captured young futur eunuch. You don't think the 1 million slaves were eunuch, right? It's only an elite minority that had this previledge.

It was a small price to pay to become a successfull, powerfull and rich military leader, they're in history books now.

Hassan Aga and Judar Pasha built massive land and sea empires, had ten of thousands of mens under their commands and ruled like kings.
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>>5920849
Kafirs cry out in pain as they strike us even though we turned their brethren into kings.
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>>5920833
By the way, the guy who made
Hassan Aga an eunuch was the famous Hayreddin Barbarossa, he basically made him his right arm.

And Hayreddin Barbarossa was half greek half albanian.

You're not blaming greek-albanian crimes on arabs, right?
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>>5920868
Hassan basically destroy the army of Charles V himself, and with Hernán Cortés involved, the biggest emperor on earth at that time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_expedition_(1541)

With 800 soldiers, he led to the death of 17,000 soldiers of the best army of the biggest empire that existed at that time.

They wish they had 0.1% of the life of Hassan Aga
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>>5920874
Arabs did this to Europeans.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25165091

>contained 11,000 eunuchs (khddim)?7,000 blacks and 4,000 white Slavs?4,000

http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/amcdouga/Hist349/readings/eunuchs%2520and%2520harem%2520abbasid%2520caliph.pdf

>eunuchs (khādim)— 7,000 blacks and 4,000 white Slavs

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/eunuchs

>By the time of the ʿAbbasids, it was the norm for eunuchs to be employed as palace servants and harem attendants. In particular, Amīn (193-8/809-13) purchased many more eunuchs than his predecessors, made them his personal servants and confidants and lavished on them money from the public treasury (Ṭabarī, III, pp. 950-51). By the early 4th/10th century, the palace eunuchs of Moktafī and Moqtader were numbered by Helāl Ṣābeʾ at 10,000 and 11,000 respectively, comprising negroes and white Ṣaqāleba (Rosūm dār al-ḵelāfa, p. 8; tr. Salem, p. 14).

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/297849574_Concubines_eunuchs_and_patronage_in_early_Islamic_Cordoba

>Young boys termed “Slavs” (Arabic saqāliba) in the Arabic texts were brought to Córdoba by the thousands to serve as palace eunuchs, and they added an additional component to the ethnic mixture in the ranks of the Umayyad elite. The Slavs were captured in the territories which today include Poland, northern Germany, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqaliba

>In the Arab world, Saqaliba served or were forced to serve in a multitude of ways: as servants, harem concubines, eunuchs, craftsmen, soldiers, and as Caliph's guards
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>>5920942
>Arabs
Not really, most of the events you quoted were made by non-arabs.

>4,000 white Slavs
irrelevant compared to the millions of black slaves in both the west and the islamic world

>ʿAbbasids
Not arab.

>_early_Islamic_Cordoba
Not arab.

>whole army of 5,000 Slavic mercenaries in Syria
Irrelevant numbers compared to the millions of black slaves in both the west and the islamic world
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>>5920942
Give me a single example of an Arab slave taken and turned into an important man in European society.
It never happened because Europeans are racists.
There's many examples of white slaves being uplifted so they transcend slavery.
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>>5920891
Holy fucking BTFO
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>>5920182
Muslims have been waging war against the west for over a millennia now. To blame Israel for it is hilarious

most western countries aren't even that closely allied with Israel. The wave of muslim terrorism in europe recently all happened to countries that are iffy with Israel like France and Sweden.
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>>5920341
US was allies with both Iran and Israel until Iran went full Jihadi.

There's actually no reason for Iran to hate Israel other than religion, they should be natural allies but Iran is stubborn
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>>5920958
And add to that that basically all the rulers of Al Andalus were 95% europeans in their blood: emirate/caliphate of cordoba, almohad, almoravid.

Simply because the first creator of the dynasty take a white wife, then his son do the same etc. That's why they all were blond/redhair/light skinned.

almost all the abbasid caliphs were like 90% greek/berberanatolian/turkic/european in their blood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Abbasid_caliphs

Same with ottoman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mothers_of_the_Ottoman_sultans

The arabic world was never really led by pure blooded arabs. The arabic world was never racist.
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>>5920954
>Abbasids
>Umayyad Cordoba

>"not Arabs"

>confirmed retard
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>>5920987
Nope, you're the retarded one.

The 39 abbasid caliphs were a mix of greek, sicilian, abyssinian, armenian, berber, turkish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Abbasid_caliphs

You can check one by one. You can easily estimate the % of arabic blood in each abbasid caliph.

It goes very fast to like 12% in the first 10 caliphs, then basically 0 for the rest 29 ones.

Same with the ummayad Cordoba.

In both case, the abbasid and ummayad of corodba dynasties were created by half berbers.
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>>5921007
>>5920987
>>5920984
I will do the estilmation of arabic blood by each abbasid caliph

1rst one (al mansur): 50% arab
2nd: 75%
3: 90%
4: 95%
5: 45%
6: 22%
7: 12%
8: 6%
9: 0% / negligeable
10: 0%
11: 0%
12: 0%
13: 0%
14: 0%
15: 0%
16: 0%
17: 0%
18: 0%
19: 0%
20: 0%
21: 0%
22: 0%
23: 0%
24: 0%
25: 0%
26: 0%
27: 0%
28: 0%
29: 0%
30: 0%
31: 0%
32: 0%
33: 0%
34: 0%
35: 0%
36: 0%
37: 0%
38: 0%
39: 0%
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>>5920182
They hate us since Islam, more precisely, they're jealous that we can drink and eat anything while they would be gutted if they do not respect the Islamic laws.
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>>5921045
they hate us because it is codified into their moral system that if they behead infidels, they get social status
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>>5921056
>>5921045
No maybe they hate us because we invade them and fund terrorism in their countries
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>>5921007
>>5921039
The only thing that matters to Arabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M267

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrilineality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_of_Arabia
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>>5921065
they DO get social status for beheading infidels. you can argue it isn't hte primary cause, but it is real

further, most of them are ignorant about american conflicts. they have, on average, a 4th grade education. if their mullahs are tellin them to hate america because of iraq, it is a religious problem
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Dear Lord what an absolute dumpster fire of a thread. You have election refugees who are about to go back into middle school giving their enlightened opinions while the /pol/niggers give their own equally enlightened and autistic opinions. Top it all off with a WE WUZ Iranian desperately trying to say that they're European and an underage spammer who thinks posting massive walls of text and 15 Wikipedia links counts as debating a point. Truly this is peak /his/. /pol/ posting ban when?
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>>5921076
They're just coping with the wars. Everyone can tell an invader apart from a local.
Nobody hated the west till they interfered in the last two to three decades
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>>5921098
america only invaded iraq and afghanistan

if the entire muslim sphere hates us, that's dozens of countries. that seems to be a religious problem, achmed
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>>5921107
All the refugees from Afghanistan went to Pakistan and caused terrorism there.
Literally an explosion every day. It's finally gone down in 2018 because their army finally cracked down on it.
You think invading one country doesn't affect the others?
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At this point I think whites are Jews.
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>>5921075
Expect that the abbasid dynasty was built on the anti-racism, to differenciate them from the ummayad who were initially racists against non arabs. Abbasid were openly anti-discrimination and mixed with non arabs. Also favorized non arabs.
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>>5921115
so afghani terrorists are OUR fault? the one's that america is trying to kill? not afghanistan's fault?

it sounds like a religious problem
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>>5921107
>america only invaded iraq and afghanistan

They bombed Libya, attacked muslims in south east asia, supported islamists in Syria/Algeria, drone Pakistan etc.
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>>5921115
Pakistan funded the Taliban and Afghans hate Pakistan for it. An unstable Afghanistan is in Pakistan's interests.
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>>5921126
Yes. It's your fault.
Let's take a look at why terrorism has started in the past few years.
The Taliban were created because of the war against the Soviets which turned their country into a warzone.
ISIS were created because of Americans invading Iraq on fake charges.
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>>5921129
Yeah Pakistanis love getting blown up. They love going outside and dying.
I too love puncturing my tires before driving my car.
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>>5921129
You paid Pakistan to fund Afghani terrorists
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>>5921132
funny, there isn't a single country in the muslims sphere tha doesn't have a HUGE terroism problem

did america invade and fund every single one?

or maybe you niggers just deserve to be shot in the head
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>>5921148
>did america invade and fund every single one?
Yes. America is a big country
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>>5921148
name 3 islamic countries with major terrorism issues where the west isnt directly or indirectly involved in.
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>>5921158
you're just going to say

>that's not THAT BAD of a terrorism problem

every sngle islamic country regularly beheads christians, gays, and usually outright genocides other groups of minority muslims
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>>5921161
name 3 islamic countries with major terrorism issues where the west isnt directly or indirectly involved in.
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>>5921164
lebanon. tajikstan, indonesia

get fucked. die muslim niggers
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>>5921125
This is what the Abbasids did to their initial non-Arab supporters. Betrayal and torturing to death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Muslim#Rise_and_revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babak_Khorramdin#Death
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>>5921164
Nigeria, turkey and Somalia
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>>5921170
>indonesia
>major terrorism issues
nope

>tajikstan
peacefull today. The islamic revival of the 90s is the result of the soviet russian opression.

>lebanon
Terrorism only exist of the involvent of western power (israel mostly, and others indirectly. Hezbollah is a proxy-iranian militia to fight US and Israel interests)
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>>5921173
Not race-related events.


Abbasid massivly supported the integration of minorities such as the persians. Abbasid were basically a proto-persian empire or a persianate.
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>>5921185
more denial. figures

every one of you needs to be flayed alive and kept alive on public display
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>>5921183
Can you really call it terrorism in those countries?
In turkey everyone knows it's kurds.
Somalia's and Nigerians are blacks that love anarchy and warring between tribes.
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>>5921183
>turkey
no major islamist related terrorism, the PKK conflict is obviously nationalistic/ethnic.

>Nigeria
Boko Haram literally, LITERALLY is anti western movement.

>The name "Boko Haram" is usually translated as "Western education is forbidden

>Somalia
>no western involvement
lol?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Civil_War

Whitout the west, this "country" wouldn't even exist. Like 90% of african/asian countries.
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>>5921198
no arguments.

I win.
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>>5921164
>>5921170
America and Australia supported the Indonesian Muslims against the non-Muslims as the Indonesians killed and raped hundreds of thousand of Christian East Timorese and West Papuans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_occupation_of_East_Timor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papua_conflict

The Indonesian Muslims decided to thank America and Australia for their support by blowing up dozens of Australian and American tourists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings
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Europeans and Americans use blame Jews for destabilising and subverting their countries while doing the same to every other country in the middle east.
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>>5921211
Irrelevant. Terrorism in indonesia is a very minor issue, compared to Iraq or Libya.
That's why you need a 2002 event.

>Indonesians killed and raped hundreds of thousand of Christian East Timorese and West Papuans
not religion related conflicts

In WW2 Europeans raped and killed 40 millions whites christians too.
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>>5921209
the vast majority of countries have been bombed into ash n living memory. china, serbia, etc.

the only countries that have terrorism problems are all muslim
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>>5921185
Tajikistan is run by a former Soviet Communist party chief who heavily cracks down on Islam, bans children under 16 from attending mosques and Islamic schools, bans Arabic Islamic names from being given to children, bans hijab stores and forces religious Muslim men to shave their beards. This is how he cracks down on terrorists and why it is peaceful now.
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>>5921222
China wasn't bombed by anyone since 1945.
And serbia is the only exemple of a NATO bombed country you can come up with that isnt muslim.

Serbia wasn't occuped for 10 years like Iraq and Afghanistan etc.
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>>5921228
No, that's how terrorism was born in the first place. Don't invert the causality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajikistani_Civil_War#Background
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>>5921197
The Abbasids called the Ismaili Imams descendants of a Jew and poisoned Twelver Imams to death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Manifesto

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_al-Ridha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Jawad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_al-Hadi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasan_al-Askari
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>>5921255
Cool, but totally irrelevant to the point.

Shiism was indeed invented by a yemeni jew iirc.
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>>5921207
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Rebellion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Bud_Dajo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_conflict
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>>5921269
Americans are evil colonists, nothing new.
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>>5921229
the chinese starved to death to the point of ubiquitous cannibalism in the 70s and the people occupying them are usually of a different ethnic group than them

once again, no terrorism. terrorism is a muslim thing
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>>5920228

This. Bin Laden was equally furious that the Saudis called up Western infidels to send actual soldiers to defend them from Saddam rather than his ragtag band of mujihadeen, as he was that the US supported Israel.
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>muh Palestinians
>muh Gaza concentration camp

Funny how no-one ever mentions that Egypt shares a border with Gaza that they keep locked up tight. Why don't they throw open the gates and free their Palestinian brothers and sisters? Even when the Muslim Brotherhood was in government they did very little.
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>>5921279
Mao's china and communist china isn't ruled by ethnic han? That's new.

>terrorism is a muslim thing
like 70% of the terrorists attacks in the 21th were made by non muslims
it was quantified.
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>>5921279

The Irish, Italians and Spanish would like a word.
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>>5921309
they don't consider themselves the same. you're applying arbitrary definitions to others to escape the fact that muslims are fucking violent animals
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>>5921364
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponsored_terrorism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States
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>>5920533
>muslims conquer and colonize christian lands hundreds of years
>this is ok
>christians conquer this land and grant the muslims independence 50 years later
>this is bad
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>>5921396
>>muslims conquer and colonize christian lands

things that never happend.

"Muslims" never colonized any land. They conquered, ruled, but never replaced the native population.

Meanwhile Europeans christian replaced a whole continent for centuries. (america)
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>>5921387
once a decade rather than once a day

the gang rape rape n your countries alone is hundreds of times higher
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>>5921409
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>>5921403
because the vast majority of the continent died from disease
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>>5921459
Whites christians killled millions of non white directly or indirectly in the whole world.

They commited ten times more murders and death than muslims.
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>>5920270
>The Ottoman Sufis killed millions of Shia and Christian civilians in their history and raped millions of white Christian women in Europe
Why should I particularly care about persecution of Christians over any other group?
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>>5921742
people care about the killing of millions of kikes
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>>5921742
The Ottomans persecuted and killed everyone who wasn't a Sunni, whether they were Twelver Shia, Alawite, Alevi, Nizari Isamili, Yazidi, not only Christians. Everyone who isn't a Sunni hates Sunni religious rule because of their bigotry. You deliberately ignored the part where it said the Ottoman killed millions of Shia.
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>>5920182
It's not the only reason but it's a pretty damn big one.
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>>5921820
Ottomans killed sunnis too, retard. Their killings werent motived by religion.
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>>5920311
>I seem to recall them dancing in the streets with joy when 9/11 happened
Do you mean in the US?
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>>5921308
Because that would piss off Israel, and Egypt has to not piss off Israel or else it'll piss off the US, which backs them both.
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>>5920182

based desert kikes
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>>5921845
Ottoman killed rival Sunni states for political conquest like their wars against Mamluks and Saudi Wahhabis but the Ottomans killed Shia civilians, Yazidis civilians, and Christian civilians for religious motivations. The Ottoman Grand Mufti Ebu Suud Effendi issued a fatwa against all Shia sects and another fatwa against Yazidis demanding all Sunnis kill Shia and Yazidis. Sultan Selim the Grim and Sultan Sulayman gave religious reasons for their orders to massacre Shia, Alawite, and Alevi civilians. Zaydi Shia in Northern Yemen revolted against the Ottomans for hundreds of years from the 16th to the 20th centuries.
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>>5920473
Barbary regencies of Central/Eastern Maghreb were ruled by Turks and European renegades, at least during their golden age, not by natives.
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I feel that the main animosity comes from colonial and after-colonial interventions of European powers. A lot of the Middle East's problems are directly or indirectly caused by Western intervention, be it the division of colonies and later states or European/American-backed coupes (sometimes backed with the military). The latter one also to this day brings people a lot of reason to hate "us" - every year, thousands of civilians die in Afghanistan - mostly due to Taliban actions, but to some degree by NATO bombings or incidents. The far-right of Europe doesn't help to change our image in the eyes of the Arabs either, but we crossed that bridge.
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Also, most radical Islam ideology call for a military jihad. In that case, the reasons are unimportant - they will be found if there are none. And while one might say that is unfair and one-sided, let us not forget who fueled the movement of Muslim fundamentalists into power, who exactly gave the Afghans weapons to arm themselves, who exactly stirred up a lot of conflicts that drove people into radicalization.
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>>5920341

Israel is a satellite of the united states and the US has tons of influential jews supporting it. Iran cut all financial ties with Britain and the US after the Islamic revolution, but the US have only themselves ton blame because they engineered the overthrow of Mossaddegh because they feared Iran aligning with the Soviet Union.
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>>5920182
Its Israel, America chooses Khazar milkers 10/10 times over Arab ladyboys and boyish girls with fat asses
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>>5920182
I'd say Israel makes up 80% of the reason. The other 20% regard America's constant meddling in the region, prepping war lords and supporting corrupt regimes. The US has been constantly destabilized and fucked up the Middle East for ages.
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>>5922471

Native Algerian Barbary Pirate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raïs_Hamidou

>Rais Hamidou or Hamidu, also called Hammida or Amidon (in the American literature) (1773–1815) was a famous Algerine corsair. He captured many ships during his career. Hamidou died in the Battle off Cape Gata against an American squadron commanded by Stephen Decatur in 1815. The commune of Raïs Hamidou in Algiers, is named after him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Cape_Gata

>The Battle off Cape Gata, which took place June 17, 1815, off the south-east coast of Spain, was the first battle of the Second Barbary War. A squadron of vessels, under the command of Stephen Decatur, Jr., met and engaged the flagship of the Algerine Navy, the frigate Meshuda under Admiral Hamidou. After a sharp action, Decatur's squadron was able to capture the Algerine frigate and win a decisive victory over the Algerines.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Agha

>Omar Agha was the Dey of the Regency of Algiers from April 1815 to September 1817, after the assassination of his predecessor Mohamed Kharnadji the 7th of April 1815, who had been in office for only 17 days.
>He launched a war against Tunis, and led the Attacks of Barbary privateers on American ships. An expedition of the US Navy led by Commodore Stephen Decatur in command of a squadron of nine ships, was conducted in 1815 against the Regency of Algiers. The episode is known as the Second Barbary War. The operation forced Dey Omar to sign a treaty ending attacks of piracy, a treaty that he denounced shortly thereafter.
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>>5920182
No. You are evil Jews and now all Arabs and Muslims are beyond Nazi in hate for you. Can’t undue it until every stinking Jew is gone.
https://youtu.be/DNZ30WxvQkk
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>>5922532
reminder arab countries are around 80-90 iq and Israel would have an iq around 103-105 if they killed all the sephardim, mizrahim and arabs
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>>5922537
Arabs don’t need high IQ to end the Juden, they need savagery and a propensity for violence.
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>>5920182
The hate your values and religious freedom

https://twitter.com/rahaf84427714/status/1081785232280428544

https://twitter.com/rahaf84427714/status/1081794376307785729

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-46773625

Saudi woman 'trapped at Bangkok airport trying to flee family'

A young Saudi woman says she is stranded at Bangkok's main airport after fleeing her family and having her passport seized by a Saudi official.

Rahaf Mohammed al-Qunun, 18, says she was on a trip to Kuwait with her family when she fled on a flight two days ago.

She was trying to head to Australia via a connecting flight in Bangkok.

She told the BBC that she had renounced Islam, and feared she would be forcibly returned to Saudi Arabia and killed by her family.

The BBC's Jonathan Head in Bangkok says Ms Mohammed al-Qunun is frightened and confused. She says she has an Australian visa but her passport was seized by a Saudi diplomat when he met her coming off the flight at Suvarnabhumi airport.

Ms Mohammed al-Qunun told BBC Newshour she was now in a hotel in the transit area.

She said: "I shared my story and my pictures on social media and my father is so angry because I did this... I can't study and work in my country, so I want to be free and study and work as I want."

Thai police Maj Gen Surachate Hakparn told the BBC that Ms Mohammed al-Qunun was escaping a marriage. Because she did not have a visa to enter Thailand, he said police had denied her entry and were in the process of repatriating her through the same airline she had taken, Kuwait Airways.

Gen Surachate said he was unaware of any passport seizure.

It is unclear why Ms Mohammed al-Qunun would need a Thai visa if she was in transit to Australia and had an Australian visa.

Saudi citizens visiting Thailand are also eligible to apply for a visa on arrival when entering the country.

Ms Mohammed al-Qunun wrote on Twitter that she had decided to share her name and details because she had "nothing to lose" now.
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>>5924646

She also shared a picture of her passport "because I want you to know I'm real and exist".

Another tweet read: "I'm afraid my family will kill me."

The case echoes that of another Saudi woman who was in transit to Australia in April 2017.

Dina Ali Lasloom, 24, was en route from Kuwait via the Philippines but was taken back to Saudi Arabia from Manila airport by her family.

She used a Canadian tourist's phone to send a message, a video of which was posted to Twitter, saying her family would kill her.

Her fate on arriving back in Saudi Arabia remains unknown.

https://twitter.com/rahaf84427714
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>>5924649
She should have skyped and talked to some white boi and made him her bf first so he could save her and so she could reward him with her body.
They basically want to be sluts and Islam doesn't allow that.
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>>5924733
Muslims literally treat their women as cheap goods who can be brought and exchanged. All muslim women are whores.
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>>5924747
>All muslim women are whores.
Only if you let them.
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>>5924747
>>5924761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoIxs0ngzvo

Learn first then says
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>>5920182
Yeah, I'm sure arabs hate you SOLELY for support to Israel. It has nothing to do with, for example

>1949 overthrow democratically elected government in Syria
>1952 overthrow govenrment in Egypt
>1953 overthrow democratically elected government in Iran
>1957 try to overthrow govenment is Syria
>1972 fund kurd insurgency
>1988 shoot down Iranian civilian plane in Iranian airspace
>1991 after intensive propaganda campain gain UN support and attack iraq
>1990s CIA covert operations aganist Iraq
>2001-present, gain UN support with false accusations, invade Afganistan and overthrow government
>2003-present, gain UN support with false accusations, invade Iran and overthrow government
>2005 cyberattacks aganist Iran
>2010-present, strikes in Yemen, since 2015, supporting Saudi invasion.
>2011 attack Libya, overthrow government and leave it in civil war
>2014-present, fund and provide military assistance to jihadist insurgencies in Syria


As a bonus, chase down "Jihadists" of your choosing, and be biggest arms supplier to Saudi-Arabia.
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>>5920213
As much of a meme as this phrase is, it’s really not that far off base.

AQ and IS both get into serious autistic shitfits about anything western. MUH MUSIC MUH CIGARETTES MUH ANKLES SHOWING.
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>>5920182
>Is Israel the only reason that Arabs hate us?
Reason has nothing to do with it.
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>>5920975
I hope you realize that your pic is shitty propaganda.
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>>5921464
They saved more than they killed, and more than all other groups combined.
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>>5920213
What freedom?
Freedom to own guns? They have that.
Freedom of women? Idiots like you think its a Jewish plot to destroy the white race and want to take women's rights away.
Freedom of minorities? You oppose it and think any equality POC gets is white genocide.
Freedom of speech? Why would they care if you can say my president is an alien, Jesus was not real, earth is flat, and elites are making the frogs gay.
The whole they hate us for our freedom is literal brainlet tier belief. The funniest thing about it is tards like that pretend that they didn't give up freedom right away (patriot act) therefore admitting their defeat to a bunch of drugged up goat fuckers.
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>>5926584
So you feel OK to be forced to move from Florida to Alaska since "there is already land for your people"
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>>5926630
Holy shit get a load of this guy
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>>5926584
Palestinians =/= Egyptians, whoever made this is an absolute idiot. Its like saying French people can live in England when France is occupied because they are both Europeans and have plenty of room elsewhere.
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>>5926725
>>5926771
>instigate conflict
>lose
>get offered infinitely more consideration than you would have given had you won
>complain how unfair it all is
ok
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>>5926846
>Be American in America living there for a thousand years.
>Mexico controls your region and Canada.
>China promises to let you self govern if you help them beat Mexico.
>get betrayed and China taking over your land instead.
>gives parts of it to Tibetans with a distance native American ancestry.
>fight back to keep your homeland.
>retard says Americans are the problem and need to willingly give up half their country to Tibet and move to Canada or Mexico and stop fighting back.
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>>5926846
>instigate conflict
By founding a "jewish state" and settling hundreds of thousands of jews there, the Arabs "instigated" the conflict?
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>>5926911
>it's my land even though I have no formal state or even ability to regulate it
Really makes me think. If it was an Arab land how did what you describe happen?
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>>5926937
>You, and your ancestors have lived in this land for centuries, but it is not legimate and you should fuck off since you don't have governmental system that I would approve
What a retarded argument that would come from a mouth of a rootless mutt, who has never felt like he belongs somewhere.
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>>5926937
British took the land from the ottomans after WW1 then gave it to Jewish terrorists after WW2.
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>>5927059
Ottomans aren't Palestinians are they? The land belongs to whom it belongs, cry more. If the Arabs succeeded in their wars against Israel they would have massacred everyone, meanwhile Israel is treating them with far greater civility than they deserve and conceding more and more land to them everyday to try and placate insane barbarous people who cannot be satisfied.
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>>5927116
> The land belongs to whom it belongs
Governing the land is different from intentional demographical change by forced movement

>If the Arabs succeeded in their wars against Israel they would have massacred everyone
You are saying that conquest is righteous so whats the problem?
>meanwhile Israel is treating them with far greater civility than they deserve
That just shows how biased your view is
>conceding more and more land to them everyday
Do you actually belive this shit yourself?
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>>5927116
>The land belongs to whom it belongs
I agree that might makes right. One must only ask why the Isreali have not delivered all Palestinians into the clutches of a holocoaster of their own design.
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>>5927141
>>Governing the land is different from intentional demographical change by forced movement
Does a renter own their home?
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>>5927270
>When you compare genocide of people with kicking out rentals
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>>5927295
>when you have the shamelessness to complain about genocide after swearing to wipe a nation off the map
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>>5927332
>genocide population and replace it by your own
>others want to genocide you for that
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>>5927337
Yeah, Israel genocides the Palestinians, that's why there's so many of them being obese and inbred on the west bank.
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>>5927370
Yeah, Nazi genocides the Jews, that's why there's so many of them being obese and inbred in Palestine.
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>>5920182
It's because of Arab childhoods.
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>>5927375
The Jewish population in Europe plummeted and has never recovered, the people killed disappeared off the face of the Earth. Almost all Palestinians driven off their land lived to see a natural death and a minuscule proportion of them were killed off and now their population in Palestine is higher than it was before Jews colonized and drove them out.

Its an ethnic cleansing, with genocidal undertones, those currents of annihilationism have never been realized before and no one would seriously allow the Israelis to go through with the extermination of a whole ethnic group.

They're definitely oppressed and treated like rats, basically a helot caste, but they're not actually being genocides, their birth rates are higher than Askhenazim's
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>>5927414
it was my first post on the thread, yeah there is no pali genocide (because they cant, not for moral reasons), there is an ethnic cleasing and colonialism tho, wich in the long run can be seen as a form of slow genocide.

obviously comparing that to nazi germany is stupid like I did, I just wanted to show that the "that's why there's so many of them" is stupid

bosnian got genocided and you can say "that's why there's so many of them"

namibian got genocided and you can say "that's why there's so many of them"

armenian got genocided and you can say "that's why there's so many of them" (not sure about that one)

genocide =/= number of people still living
cf: bosnian genocide
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>>5927414
>their birth rates are higher than Askhenazim's
but not the orthodox one, jews are trying to outbreed them since the nakba and are still trying.
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>>5920182
The faggy leftist talk of "They hate us because we colonized them and bombed them" is actually true it's just they didn't arrive at the conclusion via knowledge of banker-cryptocracy crimes but vague sentiments of xenophilia.
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>>5927429
Orthos are genetic sewage and need to be dealt with just like the Arabs, they're a mutant, mentally ill population and don't have a place on this world or a right to share a nation with the Ashkenazim. Likud promoting their fecundity is debased and going to cause a race war or just the iq of that nation to plummet rapidly. Disgusting, ugly, retarded enclave of backwards goblins.
>>5927420
You're equivocating the Armenians who were slaughtered like lambs, the Bosnians who were slaughtered (and that's a good thing!), the Namibians who were slaughtered (lol) with the Palestinians who are being economically enslaved, harassed, degraded and oppressed by an ethnonationalist crypto-fascist militarist regime of colonizers. I already said it could possibly constitute a slow genocide, however if you really think the Arabs won't outlast and outbreed the Yids you're fucking stupid.
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>>5927446
I prefear religious orthodox that at least have or belive to have a reason to live there, even if 80% of their dna isn't from the levant but whatever.

Atheists jews should be deported, they have absolutely zero claim on that land and zero reason to live there.
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>>5927453
>Atheists jews should be deported, they have absolutely zero claim on that land and zero reason to live there.
They have money, weapons, military service and genetics. No one really has a right to the land at this point its just might is right and geo-political maneuvering. I'm convinced the Ashkenazim are suicidal and the Arabs and Orthos will find some kind of new order after they become a negligible minority.

Orthos hate arabs far more than the Ashkenazim do as well and are the one's who run them over with bulldozers and shoot at them like birds on the illegal settlements.
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>>5927463
>Orthos hate arabs far more than the Ashkenazim do as well and are the one's who run them over with bulldozers and shoot at them like birds on the illegal settlements.

Yeah but they do it for their faith and they do it with passion, wich I ultimately respect, fanatism is underrated.
Modern western population wouldn't die for any good reason.

Why the fuck an atheist ashkenazis, who probably have 15% of levantine blood at best, is doing there? There is no religious autism behind it to back it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

I know that realistically no one will ever do anything against them and they'll be there for ever, but I don't even understand why a blond blue eyed atheist ashkenazis is fighting for there
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>>5926846
>mass migrate to colonized land
>start terrorism campaign against Brits and local Arabs to try and carve out an ethnostate based on some meme blood and soil connection
>wtf why are they fighting back
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>hurr durr Israel has no right to exist, they stole the land
This is like saying America needs to be returned to its original inhabits.
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>>5927549
Reservations are not far removed from Gaza or the West Bank. Ironically enough, in both cases the inhabits vastly prefer to live in and abide by the customs of Israel/America over their own native clay or people.
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>>5920270
>unironically liking Saudi wahabbis
neck yourself
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>>5927542
This. Reminder that Lehi tried to form an alliance with Nazi Germany to create a totalitarian Israeli state. Lehi also assassinated a UN ambassador early in Israel's history and the interim government pardoned them. In the 80's Israel gave out medals to former Lehi members because Israel doesn't care if you're a murderous fascist as long as you're a zionist one.
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>>5920182

The history of hatred between Europeans and Middle Easterners is prolific. Israel is but a footnote in a conflict that spans over 1000 years and is only relevant in the sense that it is an easy target to galvanize Muslims. If it wasn't Israel, it would be something else.
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>>5928014
there was like zero war between middle eastern arabs and the europeans in the last 800 years until the 19th
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>>5928039

Ottomans may not be Arabs but definitely Middle Easterns.

And North African pirates were a pretty gruesome thing as well.
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>>5925036
Nice propaganda but your caliph are the best example, almost all were born from sex slaves (concubines) >>5921039
Arab gender interraction is fucked up, it's unironically the so called toxic masculinity that feminists talk about so much.
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>>5920246
Feeding the crocodile once world until you run out of meat to throw it to him, then he’ll take you instead.
Palestinians had multiple chances to agree on terms with the Israelis, though luck that their autistic band of Muslim countries lost to Israel, its Var Victis the Palestinians can be happy that the Israelis didn’t slaughter them outright after winning the war, a move that the Muslims most likely would’ve done
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>>5928014
>The history of hatred between Europeans and the World
Reminder that this subhuman kind will be gone from the planet politically within the century. Good riddance to these filth.
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>>5928039
No you are wrong. Portuguese fought against Middle Eastern Arabs on the Arabian peninsula from the 16th-17th centuries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqrin_ibn_Zamil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatif#Etymology_and_history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscat#History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aden#British_administration_1839–1967

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_Arab_Emirates#Advent_of_Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_Arab_Emirates#Trucial_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Ormuz_(1507)
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>>5920182
>With judgment, is it fair to say that ultimately all Arab animosity against us is due to our support of Israel?
I don't know. Meddling in internal politics of various states out there didn't make friends, things like the "great betrayal" between the mujahadeen and the US with russia.
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>>5920978
>full Jihadi
you're aware that Iran is Shia and doesn't engage in extremist terrorism right
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>>5920341
>America is better off allying with Indo-European Iran
screwed the pooch on that one by toppling their secular, western-styled democracy to prevent them from benefiting off of their own oil
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>>5922470
Who cares?
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>>5928558
Based arabs.
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>>5922519
Dunno if you noticed, but such guys are exceptions. If you check Diego de Haedo and Father Dan, you'll notice most captains were renegades, especially during the Golden age of the Barbary regencies (things are a bit different when it comes to Morocco, which was independent from the Ottoman empire).
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>>5929207
Moortugueses are arabs since they were raped for like 400 years, just it's just sandniggers fighting each others
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>>5920975
Yes let's make a map with the battles of the crusades from the 11-13 centuries on the one hand, and every battle every self declared caliphate ever fought against non muslims on the other!
Brilliant! How intellectualy honest!
This shit might fly at a tea party conference but in a community of people who are somewhat historically literate you're just pointing out that you're retarded.
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>>5920182
Yep
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>>5921418

>implying women can report rape in muslim controlled countries
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>>5926589
Lol no

They genocided an entire continent and parked the surviving natives into reservations like animals. Each native Americans should be given 100 white women to repopulate their continent.
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>>5934575
98% of Native Americans died from small pox, retard.
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>>5934631
Fake stats made by cumskin subhumans.
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>>5921185
>you're just going to say
>>that's not THAT BAD of a terrorism problem
Mudslime trickery again...
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>>5920182
All the wars, imperialism and founding and creating ISIS didn't help.
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>>5920182
No. There’s more.
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>>5920182
Israel AND all the actions done for the sake of Israel.

That being said, the Arab world has always been fairly hostile to the West anyway, but it was more out of opportunism and rivalry out of things like the crusades, rather than outright hate.
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>>5922505
But those are all on behalf of Israel. The US has much better ways to get oil than Iraq. Oil was just a side bonus to aiding Israeli interests.
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>>5920182
The West is no longer a super Christian supremacist society with racial hatred. So no reason to hate it.
The support and help for Israel is the only reason.
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>>5920182
LOL you still think 9/11 was done by Goys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgrunnLcG9Q
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>>5920978
Khomeini was backed by Carter's administration, and I could provide sources if need be.
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>>5937523
pls source
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>>5920182
Israel yes, but also Turkey.
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>>5929244
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing
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>>5921126
yes because you funded the Mujaheeden militias during the cold war pretty much founded Al Qaeda fucking retard. I swear gringos are the dumbest fuckers on earth
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>>5921820
Ottomans killed everything that wasn't Turk you goddamned retard
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>>5921164
name 3 countries with major terrorism issues where Islam isnt directly or indirectly involved in.
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>>5939137
So muslims are just automatons, mindless robots that have no free will and thus no responsibility over their actions? They can just be paid to fuck up their own country and slash little girls vajajays?
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>>5938855
That shit was never tied to Iran schlomo. Neck yourself.
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>>5939686
America mexico brazil
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>>5926630
amerilards btfo
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>>5938847
Read the whole thing and look at each source carefully before responding:

BBCPersian has found recently declassified documents in US National Archive about secret plan of president Kennedy to overthrow secular government of Pahlavi in favour of Shia clergy led by Ayatollah Khomeini through a coup plot in 1963.

US gov & CIA had formed "Iran 918 Group" consisted of a several Iranian Army commanders to overthrow Shah's government if he resist any Islamic revolution. One of the group members was Mohammad-Vali Gharani who later became Iran Army's Chief-of-Staff after Islamic revolution.

http://www.bbc.com/persian/iran-features-43010659

Later on, Carter's administration was also becoming tired with the Shah since he was no longer being an OPEC puppet, and Carter's administration initially backed Khomeini:

http://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1975STATE163771_b.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khomeini-jimmy-carter-administration-iran-revolution

It is fairly clear from the linked document and several other declassified papers that elements of the US government were actively conspiring against the Shah from the mid 1970s until his fall. The Shah kept pushing for oil price hikes at a time of economic weakness in the West, and just after the US domestic oil production peaked. With that revenue he was embarking upon ambitious development programmes. Eventually, the US managed to get Saudi Arabia to undercut the official OPEC oil price and therefore undercut the Shah. Revolution came shortly afterwards

The USA began distancing itself from Iran since William E. Simon's 1974 petrodollar deal with Saudi Arabia.

Also, on a funnier note, Carter's ambassador to UN also called Khomeini a saint
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>>5920228
Islamists hate every country.
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>>5921418
>rape in america
Africans.
>M.E. rape
Do you seriously believe women have the right to report rape in some of those mudslime countries?
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>>5920182
Even Jews wouldn’t be hated if it was not for Israel being particularly douchey.
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>>5943325
>Do you seriously believe women have the right to report rape in some of those mudslime countries?
Autistic screeching is not an argument.
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>>5943614
Historical attitudes towards Jews suggest that modern Israel isn't their first affront to humanity.
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>>5920182
the arabs hate us because the french and brits partionitioned the east
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>>5945190
Not among Muslims Or Arabs. Historically Jews were welcomed and super comfortable in Muslim realms, from Andalusia to Ummayads to Abassids to Ottomans, etc.
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>>5920182
Arab here, the Israel conflict doesn't even affect me yet I hate Jews with a passion, I can only imagine how Palestinians feel.
There will never be "peace" in the middle east or acceptance of Jews here, if US global hegemony falls and antisemitism comes back in Europe(which is honestly on the rise, and far-lefties don't like Israel either) you can be sure war will erupt in the middle east, I'm not exaggerating when I say 90% of muslims wouldn't mind jews getting genocided, most unironically believe Hitler did nothing wrong and actually quote him to make a point
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>>5926630
orange man bestroyed lMAOOOOO
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>>5949765
>far-lefties don't like Israel either
It actually depends on them, some are really pro-Zionist.
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>>5920182
>Is Israel the only reason that Arabs hate us?
Why do you assume they hate the West? Stop bombing their countries, stealing their natural resources and supporting an enemy that settled in the heart of their nations and then you'll figure it out. To me it's the zionist owned west that hates arabs. just turn on FOX NEWS and watching who is hating on day and night.
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>>5940398
America doesn’t have a terrorist problem, rw loons do absolutely nothing to destabilize important polities. South America is us tho :^)
>>5949765
jealous subhuman
>>5952092
he’s not entirely wrong
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>>5920246
>I was thinking, the US/Europe should try to appease the Palestinian people by offering them land elsewhere.
How about the jews go back to Europe and the US, the countries from which they invaded palestine at the begining of the 20th centure. The anglo were occupying Palestine and they let jews from the West abd East pour all over Palestine
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>>5920353
>I believe the US hates Iran for ulterior reasons to Israel entirely. They are just a sort of independent entity in the region, so naturally they are the enemy.
Iran is enemy to Israel and jewish bankers than run the West. At the end of the day it's jews that are hating on them.
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>>5952173
>he’s not entirely wrong
Indeed Jews were overall treated slightly better in the Islamic world than in medieval Europe, but implying they were 'welcomed and super comfortable' is retarded as hell.
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>>5952248
>as hell
>folks
>y’all
go back
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>>5952255
I don't understand what you say, but I'll take a regular poutine with a soda, hurry up;
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>>5952248
IIt's not reatrded at all, a lot of them were wealthy mecrhants and bankers that were good with the rulers. But jews have never enough and now they colonized the West, the former islamic countries that hosted them are a designated enemy. With jews you lose, the West will learn it sooner or later. They even got the nerve to say Hitler did nothing wrong, it was the Grand Mufti all along! We're talking about people who take pride in killing prophets
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>>5952248
ishmaelites literally treated jews as their sister tribe and jews were treated better than iranians most of the time.
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>>5952757
>ishmaelites literally treated jews as their sister tribe
'no'

>jews were treated better than iranians most of the time
Persian mawali stopped being treated as second-class citizens in the 8th century whereas Jews were dhimmis, I think even you can understand.
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>>5952781
>dhimmis
It was a big privilege but as ungrateful scum you are pretending it to be a second class stigma. You are really a special kind of scum
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>>5920182
i wouldn't say all, but most of it, sure
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Araps don't even like one another, let alone anyone else.
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>>5920246
No, dumbass. Give the jews their own state in Europe and give the Palestinians Palestine. The Palestinians were there first.
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>>5920182
they hate everything about enlightenment civilization. from freedom and science, to democracy and capitalism.
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>>5955205
>they hate everything about enlightenment civilization. from freedom and science, to democracy and capitalism.

>Enlightenment was started by the Arabs
>Only abandoned due 2 crusades

>Western Civilization
>Free

>Science
>i don't care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet your shirt is sexist

>Democracy
>Name me one democracy in the west.

>Capitalism
>Took our side against the soviets in the cold war
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>>5952092
>>5952173
>>5952248
Not just slightly better, totally better.
Jews were never subjected to ghettos, pogroms, restricted movement as in Europe.

Ottoman Empire was very good to Jews, and in Europe Jews were often accused of being Turkish agents.
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>>5952092
>The Ottoman Empire lasted from the early 14th century until the beginning of World War I and covered Southeastern Europe, Turkey, and the Middle East. The experience of Jews in the Ottoman Empire is particularly significant because the region "provided a principle place of refuge for Jews driven out of western Europe by massacres and persecution".

>There were no restrictions in the professions Jews could practice analogous to those common in Western Christian countries

>Under the millet system, non-Muslims were organized as autonomous communities on the basis of religion (viz. Orthodox millet, Armenian millet, etc.). In the framework of the millet Jews had a considerable amount of administrative autonomy and were represented by the Hakham Bashi, the Chief Rabbi.

>Some Jews who reached high positions in the Ottoman court and administration include Mehmed II's minister of Finance ("Defterdar") Hekim Yakup Pasa, his Portuguese physician Moses Hamon, Murad II's physician Ishak Pasha and Abraham de Castro, who was the master of the mint in Egypt.

>Compared with other Ottoman subjects, they were the predominant power in commerce and trade as well as diplomacy and other high offices. In the 16th century especially, the Jews rose to prominence under the millets, the apogee of Jewish influence could arguable be the appointment of Joseph Nasi to Sanjak-bey (governor, a rank usually only bestowed upon Muslims) of the island of Naxos.[8] Also in the first half of the 17th century the Jews were distinct in winning Tax farms, Haim Gerber describes it as: "My impression is that no pressure existed, that it was merely performαnce that counted."

Israel has fucked it up. Mein Kampf is now the best selling book in Turkey, and Turks are redpilled on the JQ.
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>In the sixteenth century, the leading financiers in Istanbul were Greeks and Jews. Many of the Jewish financiers were originally from Iberia and had fled during the period leading up to the expulsion of Jews from Spain. Many of these families brought great fortunes with them.[26] The most notable of the Jewish banking families in the 16th-century Ottoman Empire was the Marrano banking house of Mendès, which moved to and settled in Istanbul in 1552 under the protection of sultan Suleiman I the Magnificent. When Alvaro Mendès arrived in Istanbul in 1588, he is reported to have brought with him 85,000 gold ducats.[27] The Mendès family soon acquired a dominating position in the state finances of the Ottoman Empire and in commerce with Europe.

>Although the Ottomans did not treat Jews differently from other minorities in the country, their policies seemed to align well with Jewish traditions which allowed communities to flourish. The Jewish people were allowed to establish their own autonomous communities which included their own schools and courts. These rights were extremely controversial in other regions in Muslim North Africa or absolutely unrealistic in Europe. These communities would prove to be centers of education as well as trade due to the large array of connections to other Jewish communities across the Mediterranean.
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>>5955513
>>Enlightenment was started by the Arabs
no it wasnt. its was started in england. john locke, newton, etc.
>>i don't care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet your shirt is sexist
postmodernists are not enlightenment followers. they are explicitly anti enlightenment.

dumb shitskin
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>>5956561
>John Locke and England and enlightenment
You’re wrong. Locke and others including Bacon read Arab works like Ibn Haytham — including as part of their alchemical explorations, and these clearly sketchy out the empirical scientific method. Muslims had an enlightenment in Andalusia but it was interrupted.
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>>5956561
>post modernists
They are post enlightenment and not anti enlightenment. There is a difference.
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>>5954515
>It was a big privilege
Yes, being a second-class citizen who could be used as a scapegoat when things turned to shit sure was a 'big privilege'. Also, nice answer regarding your delusional claim about Persians being treated worse than Jews.
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>>5955558
>There were no restrictions in the professions Jews
You had to be a Muslim to be part of the asker (IE the 'true Ottomans', members of the army or administration, 'tardus. Even though the highest Orthodox clergy could flaunt asker-tier privileges such as riding horses and not donkeys.
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>>5956877
They weren’t used as scapegoats ever though. Not in Islamic realms. Not in Ottoman Empire. The Europeans only used them as scapegoats when they lost against Turks, or even Mongols. The only reason the Frankfurt Jews suffered pogrom and persecution in 1348 was because rumors of Turkish invasion after Nicopolis. You stupid Ashkenazim have no memory of it but your average Sephardim still has fond memories of Turkey if pressed, especially the older ones.
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>>5955558
>Israel has fucked it up.
Yeah, everything of course happened because of dem ebil zionists.

>redpilled on the JQ
I wouln't have thought I'd end up saying such things, but please go back to /pol/, you're an embarrassment to our board.
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>>5956890
There were Jewish soldiers. The whole “can’t ride a horse” thing is weak sauce, jews and others rode horses.
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>>5956905
>Zionists
Yes they are the ones who caused this trouble. The myth of eternal conflict is a lie designed to make the conflict seem normal.
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>>5956901
>Not in Islamic realms
The Almohads beg to differ :DDD
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>>5956908
Nice source. And even though you'd manage by some way to cherry pick a retarded example, guess what, the general rule, from the Golden age of the Ottoman empire, was that you had to be a Muslim to be part of the asker.
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>>5956933
You didn’t have to be Muslim but Muslim had to be soldiers, that was the setup.
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>>5956901
Ottomans persecuted Ashkenazis and burned their synagogues in 16th century Palestine as enemy nationals of their enemy state the Poland Lithuania Commonwealth. While they allowed Sephardics to build their synagogues. Ashkenazis don't have fond memories because they never happened.
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>>5956901
>You stupid Ashkenazim
>implying anyone who disagrees with my retarded views has to be a zionist agent
Full retard at it again
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>>5956941
Source? There are Ashkenazi synagogues in the Ottoman Empire.
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>>5956947
You are a Jew. It is clear. The colonization of Judaism by Ashkenazi is a great tragedy, and after the Crusader State outpost of Israel is eradicated— Judaism will be liberated from your satanic Khawariji Khazar dominion.
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You jews dare betray your Altaic roots .
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/scientists-reveal-jewish-historys-forgotten-turkish-roots-a6992076.html

It is a capital crime.
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>>5956939
>You didn’t have to be Muslim
You did.

>Muslim had to be soldiers
Nah, conscription did not exist until the tanzimat era. The only people who could be concerned by it before that were timariots (who were, guess what, Muslims), and to some extent the Orthodox Christians, through the devşirme .
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>>5956954
>You are a Jew
And you're a retarded troll :]
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>>5956969
There are cases of Jews, Christians serving with distinction unconverted in the Ottoman Navy — and in the Army intelligence corps. Muslims were routinely conscripted, as part of service to the state. Timariots were a separate system of trained hereditary cavalry. Tanzimat involved en masse conscription and equal status of all citizens of all religions-/ and Christians & jews hated it and many became draft dodging emigrants to USA.
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>>5956979
Muslims and Christians and atheists all hate you. Who are you going to infect next? sentinelese aboriginals?
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>>5957000
Anon, please learn to live without thinking to Jews.
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>>5957014
Zionists are requiring loyalty oaths in the USA, outlawing free speech if it involves anti zionism, and corruption American politics generally.!
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>>5957014
In general, this trick you play on Europeans of “we Were so oppressed” is hardly true in Netherlands, England, Poland Lithuania but absolutely not true in Arab or Muslim lands. You can hardly function when your true stench reeks and you don’t hide behind fabricated suffering.
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>>5957042
Not at all. The thread is about if the West is hated solely because of Israel (yes), and moreover jews are also hated solely because of Israel (yes).
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>>5957056
>Not at all.
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>>5957068
The matter at stake is important because if Jews were always hated by Muslims prior to Zionism that would be interesting, but they weren’t.
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Of course. It's not like we bombed the middle east and killed 600,000 people or anything.
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>>5926630
freedom to drink beer, shoot niggers AND sand niggers and fuck hot girls that actually shave their body hair (except feminists) because America is not a stone age freak show like the rest of the world
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>>5926574
And they really really really hate "SJW stuff", especially LGBTQ
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>>5920560
OMAR AGHA
WAS A BLACK MAN
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>>5920182
Rebuild Ottoman empire, abolish Israel and middle east problems are done.
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>>5922499
>Iran cut all financial ties with Britain and the US after the Islamic revolution
lol if u think so
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>>5920182
Yes.
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>>5920182
Read bin Laden's ''letter to america" and you will understand.
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>>5920182
Yes.
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Based
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>>5962195
This.
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>>5920211
fpbp

Jews and Muslims/Arabs were fine before the 20th century, with minor historical exceptions.



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