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An American flag flutters over the camp of 500 sleeping Cheyenne and a few Arapahoes. The U.S. Army had promised them sanctuary on their reservation, along the creek's sandy banks 200 miles southeast of Denver. So no guards are posted, and many of the young men are away hunting buffalo.

It's daybreak on Nov. 29, 1864. Nine hundred soldiers, mostly volunteers, move four howitzers into place on a hill overlooking the camp.

"I have come to kill Indians and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God's heaven to kill Indians," their leader, Col. John M. Chivington, had said.

Chief Black Kettle rises before dawn, hears the soldiers and carries an American flag to welcome the troops.

And the sky spits bullets.

The troops storm the encampment. Chief White Antelope extends his hands in peace. Rifles reply. Wounded, White Antelope begins to sing.

"Nothing lives long, only the earth and the mountains."

He is among the first of 163 to die.

Outnumbered, outgunned and surrounded, the Cheyenne and Arapahoes dig into the creek's sandy cliffs. Some wade into the icy water and hide under the bank.

For eight hours, the killing goes on. Howitzers lob shells into tepees. The big guns are turned on the sandy cliffs.

Capt. Silas Soule refuses to let his men join the attack. "It looked too hard for me to see little children on their knees begging for their lives, (having) their brains beat out like dogs," he would say.

Chivington and the Colorado 3rd return to Denver on Dec. 22. The city declares a holiday. Hundreds line the streets as the volunteers parade through town, men's and women's genitals on their hats as trophies. At the Denver Opera House, the scalps of 100 men, women, and children are strung across the stage. The crowd rises in a standing ovation.
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>>5875849
Chivington did nothing wrong. Indians are godless non-white creatures
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>>5875849
>At the Denver Opera House, the scalps of 100 men, women, and children are strung across the stage. The crowd rises in a standing ovation.
Americans are disgusting people
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>>5875860
>Hundreds line the streets as the volunteers parade through town, men's and women's genitals on their hats as trophies.

This part was more disgusting.
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>>5875849
it was a battle, not a massacre.
there's even a town in colorado named after Chivington.
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>>5875849
Americans are not humans. They have no empathy for outsiders. They are worse than Jews.
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>>5875908
It was the kind of battle where one side was armed and one wasn't.
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>>5875927
Do you means natives or anglos?
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>>5875860
>>5875874
>implying europoors spread peace and kindness to all the lands they colonized

>implying any Asian nation anywhere was any better

Conquerors get to do what they want. It's the reward of conquest.
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>>5875970
According to Kant that was a violation of ethics and it's the duty of everyone around to kill the offender's desu. If a murderer kills one person, it's the duty of others to kill him because he's made a rule where it's legal to kill others and therefore he must get a taste of his own medicine
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>>5875970
My country never did disgusting things like that. Ok, it has been a part of couple questionable wars but the people never reveled in violence. Like wearing the genitals of the conquered people on hats and applauding scalping of little children. That is what japs or nazis did in ww2. Americans are no better than them.
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>>5875983
Americans are worse then nazis, atleast the nazis where disgusted by Dirlewagner gang and they wanted to keep most off the fucked upp things they did a secret unlike Americans who took pride in killing innocent women and children (and still does to some extent unlike germans)
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>>5875849
>I have come to kill Indians and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God's heaven to kill Indians
B&R
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Silas Soule, friend of John Brown and Walt Whitman, testified against John Chivington and was murdered for his bravery. May his soul go marching on.
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>>5875849
Why they didn't formed alliance with the injuns instead? Even the spaniards had native allies
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>>5875983
Which country do you live in?
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>>5876849
Form an alliance with who? The US had native allies but the injun nations were notoriously unorganized, especially compared to the peoples the Spanish encountered. There were no authoritative representatives.
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>>5875874
>This part was more disgusting.

I LL MAKE A BLOGPOST ABOUT IT ON REDDIT, ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING WHITE POPO
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>>5875849
The injuns attacked white people and then got btfo
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>>5876849
Thy did when it was convenient, when it was no longer useful, they broke the treaties and murdered or expelled them. Why would they keep an alliance with an inferior neighbor when they could just fill the land with their own people instead?

Things were brutal in the past.
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>Reddit Spacing
They deserved it tbqh
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>>5875975
Kant was a fag so
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>>5876967
>and then got btfo
They couldn't match the zombie like numbers of the american hordes
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>>5876860
Germany
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>>5877009
based!!!!
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>>5875935
>24 killed, 52 wounded

the son of Chivington's scout John Smith (by an Indian mother) was in the camp, survived the attack and was "executed" afterwards
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>>5876010
>Americans who took pride in killing innocent women and children (and still does to some extent unlike germans)

But Americans are a "nation" made from mongrelized krauts.
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>>5876310
>God's heaven

>Proceeds to scalp kids and women and wear dicks and cunts on hats

I think even the wildest pagans didn't go to these extents of degeneracy.
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>>5875860
>>5875874
>europeans pretending to be morally superior to americans in the treatment of natives
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YEAH, KILL EM
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>>5875860
>>5875874
War is bloody, womp womp
>>5877712
>kills millions of Jews, Slavs, and Gypsies
>somehow better
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I think American behavior during the Indian wars was often very bad by the standards of today. But not by the standards of the Indians they were fighting. The admirable Indian man among the plains tribes, including the Cheyenne and Arapaho, in 1864, was a thief, rapist, torturer, slave dealer, and prolific murderer of men, women, and children. They wreaked their savagery upon other tribes and upon the European settlers. The idea that the American Indians were in any way peaceful, innocent victims is a myth. They were certainly brave and their cultures were in some ways beautiful and noble. But nice guys they absolutely were not. The ONLY reason they did not torture, rape, and murder every single European settler is because they lost the war. Simple as that. I am not excusing the conduct of the Americans, but it is worth noting that the Indians who were killed that day understood perfectly well what was happening to them because they had done the same thing to others themselves.
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>>5879229
Yes. Invaders overwhelming Amerindians with pestilence and zombie-like numbers.

All consequences of the Amerindian replacement are legacy of this. And it will never EVER be forgotten.

Time to get replaced.
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>>5879250
>Invaders overwhelming Amerindians with pestilence and zombie-like numbers.
M8 the settlers beat the Injuns because the settlers had guns and knew how to make trade deals, agreements, and treaties advantageous to them. Oh, and disease.
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>>5879229
>invaders and natives stand on level moral ground
cant wait for white genocide to be real desu
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>>5879287
>morality
Nice spooks
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>>5879278
Considering the Incan imperial Army BTFO all eurangutan interventions in the Incan civil war, and pizza-ro only managed to be a vassal after it. That would be incorrect.
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>>5879299
>spooks
nice spook
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Pretty sure the perpetrators were tried in a Senatorial Court or something.
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>>5875849
Chivington and his men were evil bastards.
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>>5879309
Yes, the Incans beat Pizarro. This is historical fact and not completely delusional.
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>>5879921
Wrong.
Pizarro ended as a vassal of some native after the civil war.

Once the reinforcements came, they killed the survivors of all epidemics that happened then.
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>>5876849
>Why don't they make an alliance with the people they want to kill and remove?
It's a mystery, bro.
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>>5879229
Indians as rule didn't kill children, and usually didn't kill women either. Much more practical to adopt them into the tribe.
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>>5875849
>injuns dindu nuffin
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>>5875849
>start shit
>be mad when the whites try to put an end to the violance
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>>5879993
>Indians as rule didn't kill children, and usually didn't kill women either.
which ones?
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>>5879993
You honestly believe this? kek
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>>5880050
>when you invaded someone's lands and you whine about being invaded
Hmm...
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>>5880070
The vast majority of land in north america wasn't occupied by anyone, retard.
>muh nomads
No, passing through every two years to collect some berries doesn't mean you are entitled to the land, fuck off.
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>>5880070
>being invaded
You actually believe this?
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>>5880139
The majority of the injuns were sedentary,with the exception of the Plains Indians
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>>5880050
>get defeated by the whites and sign a treaty
>whitey breaks the treaty they themselves proposed and attacks you for literally no reason

>b-b-but the indians started it

The US has broken almost every single treaty they ever made with the native americans.
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>>5877860
You would think that, and you would be wrong.
Stop being a little bitch.
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>>5877712
>G*rms claiming they don't revel in the blood of their enemies
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>>5880385
Good.
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>>5876010
Dirlewagner was a convicted child rapist BEFORE he became a SS officer with his own little 'police' unit. His friends got him back into the party after he was kicked out due to the conviction+crashing a party vehicle while DUI by citing him volunteering in Spain.
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>>5875849
>The city declares a holiday. Hundreds line the streets as the volunteers parade through town, men's and women's genitals on their hats as trophies
How did they put female genitals on their hats? I understand mens genitals, but did they cut around the vagina and then tie it around their hat?
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>>5877860
>I think even the wildest pagans didn't go to these extents of degeneracy
Injuns did shit like this all the time, where do you think they got the idea from?
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>>5880948
They were feminine penises
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>>5875849
American bravery, everyone
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>>5875908
Holy fuck is this the kind of brainlet material left on this board after years of /pol/ raids?
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>>5881167
>bloo hoo why did you massacre the spearchuckers
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>>5878692
All the evil things done to the natives were done by disgusting cowardly expats. Expats don't have a right to call themselves old worlders, just like modern sexpats. Absolutely no difference between them. Europeans dindu nuffing, they were content plowing the fields of their ancestors.
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>>5881287
>boo hoo why do the domesticated agriculture precursors to the insect decadent american europid massacre healthful liberated ANE cousins to the Aryan peoples
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that's some Last Samurai shit
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>>5880139
They occupied and defended their territories.
Land owned by Amerindians and invaded by subhumans.
>>5880142
Cope.
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>>5881487
>>5881499
>>5881524
Mutt expats aren't really Europeans.
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>>5881513
Suicidefuel
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>>5875983
Probably because some other Euro country conquered you and didnt allow you to do anything
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>>5876849
And end up like Mexico or Colombia? Lmao
Spain should have copied the Anglos and exterminated the Indians and replaced them with Spaniards
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>>5877712
>had the audacity to murder their own, fully assimilated, Jewish population
>"at least we arent rude"
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>>5879309
Pizarro is currently laying in a tomb in a giant catholic cathedral built for him in the middle of Lima, the Incas lost.
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Ch*vington was a subhuman. It’s sad we will never live in a reality where we took the Indian Nations in as states.
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>>5875849
further proof amerimutts are not people
funny as hell watching those wh*toids squirm itt and try to revive social darwinism lmao
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>>5882365
>y-you totally would wear the genitals of the people you murdered on your head if you could
mutts everyone
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>>5882577
>funny as hell watching those wh*toids squirm itt and try to revive social darwinism lmao
Yeah it's expected that there would be couple of edgy posters defending the murder of natives but they are majority ITT. Americans are sick, disgusting people.
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>>5882540
They weren't unified enough to become states. They were loose collections of peoples with hardly enough in common to call themselves part of the same group.
This is why every single attempt at a treaty with them failed. The US was treating them like they had a unified government capable of enforcing agreements between the two groups, but in reality they were making agreements with people whose ability to follow through with them wasn't worth the paper the treaty was printed on.
This is part of the reason for all of the anger against them. They would make an agreement, and then, days later, some affiliated but uncontrolled segment of the tribal population would show up and do something directly against it.
Diplomacy was effectively not possible on a state-to-state level because of this. Eventually the dispute became resolved through cannon fire, where the European settlers consistently won. Eventually, it became matter of course to just removed them.
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>>5882381
Already refuted. >>5879938
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>>5875852
Based
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>>5882963
This
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Americans are the only people to have succeeded in truly wiping out the natives. Spaniards mostly just bred with them.
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>>5885223
why are they riding a giraffe?
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>>5875849
Wow, I never knew about this
Fucking based
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>>5875849
Excellent stuff. What kind of retarded cuck would have preferred it the other way around? I’m glad the supeiror people managed to take more land and actually do something worthwhile with it
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>>5875860
T. Leftwing cuck who would never say anything bad about the savages who used to scalp people
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>>5879309
>be shitskin savage with a low IQ
>do nothing with the land because you’re infeiror
>call Europeans eurangutans

Lol. Cope much?

You’re infeiror to us and it was easy for us to destroy you because of your inferiority. You’re basically niggers at this point
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>>5879229
They didn't, moron. By ancient conducts of war you aren't supposed to kill people who surrendered. Mongols understood this and massacred, enslaved and raped when people refused to surrender but granted safe passage to people who raised the white flag and submitted. Alexander the Great did the same rules and agreed not to kill those who surrendered These Americans massacred Native Americans who surrendered and capitulated with the understanding they would be safe. In no way did they expert this slaughter. It is not only about brutality but backstabbing and violating treaties. America violated the treaties it signed.
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>>5885712
>>5885715
>>5885719
>>5885721
>>5885732
>>5885741
Amerimutts need to be banned from /his/
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>>5886031
What country are you from, I could find a list of atrocities
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>>5882369
>And end up like Mexico or Colombia?
Of worse Canada.
>Ally with Indians
>Treat them as friends
>Give their children formal education so they can be Canadian citizens
>All so their present day descendants can bitch even more than the Indians in America do
It's ridiculous.
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>>5886035
Nah I have to side with the shitskins this one time, the Europeans destroyed a beautiful higher race of people in the pettiest most dishonorable way and this land is forever cursed because of this deed.
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>>5885972
>By ancient conducts of war you aren't supposed to kill people who surrendered.
Bullshit
>Mongols understood this and massacred, enslaved and raped when people refused to surrender but granted safe passage to people who raised the white flag and submitted
TOTAL bullshit.
Merv surrendered and they were still put to the sword.
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>>5882963
Cheyenne had a governing body called the council of forty four and the Americans murdered eight council members in the massacre.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_Creek_massacre

>The new reserve, less than 1/13th the size of the territory recognized in the 1851 treaty,[6] was located in eastern Colorado,[8] between the Arkansas River and Sand Creek.[6] Most bands of the Cheyenne, including the Dog Soldiers, a militaristic band of Cheyenne and Lakota that had originated in the late 1830s, were angry at the chiefs who had signed the treaty. They disavowed the treaty – which never received the blessing of the Council of 44, the supreme tribal authority – and refused to abide by its constraints.[11] They continued to live and hunt in the bison-rich lands of eastern Colorado and western Kansas, and became increasingly belligerent over the tide of white migration across their lands. Tensions were high, particularly in the Smoky Hill River country of Kansas, along which whites had opened a new trail to the gold fields.[12] Cheyenne who opposed the treaty said it had been signed by a small minority of the chiefs without the consent or approval of the rest of the tribe, that the signatories had not understood what they signed, and that they had been bribed to sign by a large distribution of gifts. Officials took the position that Indians who refused to abide by it were hostile and planning a war.[13]
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>>5882963
>>5886096
>The massacre disrupted the traditional Cheyenne power structure, because of the deaths of eight members of the Council of Forty-Four. White Antelope, One Eye, Yellow Wolf, Big Man, Bear Man, War Bonnet, Spotted Crow, and Bear Robe were all killed, as were the headmen of some of the Cheyenne military societies.[43] Among the chiefs killed were most of those who had advocated peace with white settlers and the U.S. government.[44] The net effect of the murders and ensuing weakening of the peace faction exacerbated the developing social and political rift. Traditional council chiefs, mature men who sought consensus and looked to the future of their people, and their followers, were opposed by the younger and more militaristic Dog Soldiers.
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>>5886096
>Most bands of the Cheyenne, including the Dog Soldiers, a militaristic band of Cheyenne and Lakota that had originated in the late 1830s, were angry at the chiefs who had signed the treaty. They disavowed the treaty – which never received the blessing of the Council of 44, the supreme tribal authority – and refused to abide by its constraints
That doesn't prove him wrong.

>Those chiefs you negotiated with?
>Not the real chiefs.
>So we're going to ignore the treaty and keep doing our thing.
Fuck Indians.
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>>5886095
Alexander the Great spared citizens of Tyre who took refuge in the Temple of Hercules. He did not sack anything in Egypt. Mongols spared the people of Kaifeng, Dali, Kunming, Xiangyang, Hangzhou, Liaoyang, Fuzhou, Quanzhou, Guangzhou, Beshbaliq, and countless other cities for surrendering and capitulating and did not sack or rape them. They massacred and raped Khwarezmian cities like Merv because the Khwarezmian Turks massacred the first Mongol ambassadors and trade caravans sent to them in peace. And the Khwarezmians repeated it again with the second Mongol delegation that demander an explanation and compensation for the first delegation and caravan. The other countries whose cities surrendered did not do that, massacre and rob two Mongol diplomatic delegations in a row. Mongols saw Khwarezmians as repeated oath violaters who could not keep treaties. The Mongols also sacked and raped nearly all Western Xia cities after the Western Xia decided to renege on their vassalage to the Mongols twice after submitting twice. Qocho and Dali capitulated almost immediately to the Mongols and were unharmed. Korea and Song submitted late after decades of war and after grueling sieges the Mongols still agreeed to respect surrender terms.
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>>5886108
They should have negociated with the council of 44 you idiot which was the Cheyenne governement. It would be like if Russia signed a treaty with an American biker gang leader and ignored the American President and Congress and then acts surprised when the American governement refuses the terms of the treaty.
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>>5882963
Imperial China had an administrative system for centuries for autonomous self governing primitive native tribal peoples ruled by chiefs called Jimi and Tusi. The chiefs were hereditary and had their powers confirmed by the government. They governed their people internally with almost 100% autonomous except recognizing the emperor and submitting tribute. They were equivalent to counties or territories.
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>>5880385
Canada did it way more often and was overall shittier to its natives after the turn of the 20th century
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>>5885741
>be Amerindian
>have more civilization potential than europeans
>demonstrate a higher development rate than europeans
>some subhuman starts denying this fact ITT
Nice.
>>5885746
>u denier
Amazing.

Pizzaro ended as a vassal and only the hordes of reinforcements could scratch the remnants of the incan armies after the civil war and epidemics.
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>>5886182
>muh immigration
European presence in the Americas is as legitimate as non-whites in europe.

Now get replaced, subhuman.
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>>5887156
t.
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>>5887261
>this is you
Amazing.
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>>5886159
>They should have negociated with the council of 44
Right, because the US government knows the details of tribal structure for every facepainter they meet out there, like the Cheyenne have an official diplomatic office the US can submit claims to.

The whole fact that lower level chiefs would initiate negotiations with the US government and never reveal their lack of authority is evidence of what that anon was talking about.
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>>5886151
>T-they were considered oathbreakers so it's ok.
Yeah fuck off apologist, you got btfo.
Surrendering peoples of the ancient world were putting their lives into their captors hands with no guarantee of safety, there was no universally understanding that surrender meant safety and good treatment.
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>>5887156
Will some mod do their damn job and ban this race-baiting shitposter?
He does this in literally every thread he participates in.
His 'gas the whites, race-war now' rhetoric belongs on the proper containment board.
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>>5875849

As if we needed yet another reminder that the Confederacy was completely and totally morally in the right…
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>>5888882
>At the beginning of the war, Albert Pike was appointed as Confederate envoy to Native Americans. In this capacity he negotiated several treaties, one such treaty was the Treaty with Choctaws and Chickasaws conducted in July 1861. The treaty covered sixty-four terms covering many subjects like Choctaw and Chickasaw nation sovereignty, Confederate States of America citizenship possibilities, and an entitled delegate in the House of Representatives of the Confederate States of America. The Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, Catawba, and Creek tribes were the only tribes to fight on the Confederate side.
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>>5875849
>Indians scalp and mutilate Americans after battles
>Americans do it too, probably out of revenge

Indians good, Americans bad.
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Speaking of Native Americans, what are 4channel /his/ advertisements trying to tell me with this?
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War sucks, we know
>>5886031
What country are you from? I can probably find dozens of war crimes done by it
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>>5888373
>the subhuman wants an europig safespace
Cope.
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>>5889051
No, I want all you race-baiting sons of bitches removed no matter what flavor of bile you vomit forth for us to read.
You make a discourse on a topic like this almost impossible, and the points you insist on talking about have absolutely nothing to do with the topic of neither the thread or the board

The fact that you haven't been banned already astounds me.

Seriously, how is
>THERE IS AN IMPENDING WHITE GENOCIDE
a, rightfully, banned topic, but
>THERE IS AN IMPENDING WHITE GENOCIDE, AND THAT IS A GOOD THING
not?

No one wants to fucking engage you here. Have you not figured that out?
You are not worth the time to have a discussion with.
Go to /pol/ where their 40 hour/week professional racist shitposters can discuss the dumb shit that occupies your mind with you.

Now paste your stale ass copy-pasta over again and link me to some completely unrelated, poorly compiled and presented shitpost you made in this thread with along with the word 'refuted' like you always do.

No one wants you here you fucking terrible person.
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>>5889095
>40 hours a week professional shitposters
try 60 hours a week pleb
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>>5889095
>waaah i don't want to read the truth!
>waaah don't post your data compilation here!
>waah rassist rassist waah!
Cope harder, subhuman.
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>>5889130
>>5889095
Refuted
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>>5889196
>i don't want x!
>refuting anything
?
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>>5889226
>>5889130
>>5889051
>>5887156
sad
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>>5889235
Cope.
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>>5889236
deal with it
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>>5876781

True American hero. They ought to change the name of Chivington to Soulesville. Reading the word Chivington makes me smell sour cream and potato.
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>>5886041

What a gross oversimplification of the relationship between the Canadian Crown and natives. I won't even bother proving you wrong because even a cursory perusing of any Wikipedia page regarding this issue would completely throw your assertion on its head.

Don't spread nonsense my nigga, it's unbecoming of you.
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>>5875849
Why can't white still be like this?
Arabs are like this, Indians are like this, Asians, Africans, Latinos.
We need to be violent again and celebrate it.
Because if you don't, you become the victim.
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>>5890890
Savage cunt neck yourself
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>"are we the baddies" asks the increasingly nervous mutt with a severed penis flailing from his hat
>"ackchyally every country does this, furthermore the treaties were..." answers another with a vagina dangling from a hat while putting up scalps of children before a cheering crowd
mutts...
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>>5891017
retard
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>>5890890
>Arabs are like this, Indians are like this, Asians, Africans, Latinos.
And them being like this is a large part of why their countries are shit.

Seriously, the last thing i need is mofos trying to ethnic cleanse each other, and blood feuds.
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>>5889274
Cope harder.
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>>5875852
christianity is a semitic abrahamic religion that invaded europe and therefore you’re a cucked slave to jewish doctrine. You and other christians are a shame and embarassment to the original european values. You think yourself a true european but you’re a cultural mutt and belong straight to the middle east along with other abrahamic monotheists like muslims and jews.
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>>5891017
kek
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>>5890890
Whites were like this in Africa, so where is your Rhodesia and South Africa now, white boi?
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>>5888938
>Indians scalp and mutilate Americans after battles

>Amerimutts scalp and mutilate unarmed kids and women.
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>>5880423
>Stop being a little bitch

Rich, coming from the faggot who screams WHITE GENOCIDE every time he sees interracial porn video.
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>>5892789
you lend credence to their claims because you're in their country, taking their money from them, murdering them, then claiming oppression

man, I'd LOVE to take money from someone then call them oppressive
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>>5879250
Based. When will wh*Tes go back to their disease ridden lands?
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>>5885746
Their coping is funny you gotta admit.
>The Spanish sealed the conquest of Peru by entering Cuzco on 15 November 1533.[4]:216 Jauja, in the fertile Mantaro Valley, was established as Peru's provisional capital in April 1534,[7]:286 but it was high up in the mountains and too distant from the sea to serve as the capital. Pizarro founded the city of Lima on Peru's central coast on 6 January 1535, which he considered to be one of the most important things he had created in life.[4]:227–29

>After the final effort of the Inca to recover Cuzco had been defeated by Almagro, a dispute occurred between Pizarro and Almagro respecting the limits of their jurisdiction, as both claimed the city of Cuzco. The king of Spain had awarded the Governorate of New Toledo to Almagro and the Governorate of New Castile to Pizarro. The dispute had originated from a disagreement on how to interpret the limit between the governorates.[4]:254–56 This led to confrontations between the Pizarro brothers and Almagro, who was eventually defeated during the Battle of Las Salinas (1538) and executed. Almagro's son, also named Diego and known as El Mozo, was later stripped of his lands and left bankrupt by Pizarro
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>>5875860
>>5875874
That’s Blood Meridian tier nasty, old Cormac wasn’t just writing out his ass when he put the pen to paper was he?
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>>5876849
They had lots of native allies.
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>>5892780
Both did actually, they killed a bunch of settlers in minessota and cut up pregnant mothers and shit. Euros trying to virtue signal in these debates is always hilarious.
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>>5882577
Theyre just using your arguments against you
>amerimutts
>white
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>>5893834
Indian Wars are really the ultimate display of humanity degrading themselves to the point of pointless slaughter, with both sides trying to out-savage each other without restraint until the Anglo scum finally finished the job
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>>5893848
Ethnic conflicts man. Alot of people who talk about race wars dont realise how brutal it actually is.
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>>5893755
>self proclaimed owned lands
Pizzaro was a vassal of some native though.
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>>5893883
Not really.
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>>5893911
Yes, really.

No single incan indian "auxiliary" followed him.

No single incan indian allied him.

Now go cry me a river.
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>>5894484
Even if true thats not being vassal, coper.
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copper
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>Natives didn't believe in property
>Yet Whites stole their land

Could somebody give me a tl;dr on this paradox point of view?
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>>5892328
*cringe*
yikes!
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Cheyenne were mean bastards.

Still no justification for genocide
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>>5891139
n-no we are not the baddies
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>>5894894
>Could somebody give me a tl;dr on this paradox point of view?
sure, the tl;dr is you're attacking a completely untrue strawman and property rights varied between native american civilizations
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>>5894674
>that's not being vassal
>is ordered to assist the lord, priviledge given to him and lands depends on his native lord
>oportunities of intermarriage depends on his lord
>has no inch of authority in native lands
If he wasn't an animal wandering around the native lord's lands, he was a vassal my friend.
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That's some medieval savagery there.
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>>5875849
>kill for 8 hours
>163 dead
Amateur night
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>>5875849
Based and Redpilled
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>>5875849
Never trust the Americans. The natives were the first to learn. Now Iranians must take this advice to heart unless they want to become rootless consumerist internationalists
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>>5897003
Unless the incas took control of the spanish crown none of that is accurate.
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>>5897623
Nothing to do with pizzaro accepting his vassal treatment and doing nothing against it, till his lord died of epidemics alongside numerous other nobles.
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>>5875852
/thread
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>>5897644
>vassal

>when you defeat your enemies, they win
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>>5897870
>all indians were enemies
Literally no-one allied pizzaro.

He just choose a side and the indian nobles who won gave him a cookie (vassal priviledges) for his services as a mercenary.
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>>5898028
He was appointed governorate of new castile by the spanish crown after the defeat of the incas. Seems pretty straightforward.
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>>5876781
What a faggot.
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>>5898090
>spanish titles
Irrelevant as he had no authority over indians.
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>>5890177
You're right, it is a gross oversimplification, but it's objective fact that Canada treated it's natives better than we treated ours, yet the "First Nations" bitch just as much if not more.
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>>5892773
Rhodesia and South Africa were fucked over by the cuck white countries that forgot that Western dominance was won through force of arms and not moral superiority.
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>>5898607
All sides have traitors. Cope.
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>>5898634
>you are x
europig argumentation skills...
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>>5898644
>question
>assertion
Thanks for giving me my answer.
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>>5898653
>(you are x) x2
Outstanding.
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>>5898661
>Are you x
>dodging question, showing lack of reading comprehension, and lying
>well based on your response, I believe you to be the ZAPU nigger from before because of your similarity to him and not simply saying "no"
>showing lack of reading comprehension, and lying
You got me.
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>>5898680
>not typing a key magically converts you into "x"
europig magical thinking...
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>>5898585
He had authority over neuva castile and its inhabitants evidently.
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>>5898765
He had no authority over indians, as no indian followed his plans.
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>>5898629
Where is the cope my butthurt darkie friend?
The question was "why did SA and R fall when Europeans were violent in Africa" and the answer is that SA and R were punished for using violence by Western powers that had lost their stomach for it.
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>>5899214
And they lost. Cope.
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>>5900064
I knew it! You were that ZAPU nigger. This reply came immediately after the shitpost in the Rhodesia thread.
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>>5895174
seething 20 iq christfag
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>>5885223
Spanish still did 85% of the wiping out, it was Spanish diseases that decimated plains, midwestern, and even Southern tribes
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>>5898778
Even if that were true (not) that still wouldn't make him a vassal.
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>>5900289
See>>5897003
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>>5900076
>(you are x) x3
Otherworldly.
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>>5875849
BASED
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>>5875970

>whataboutism

disgusting yank
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>>5881287
>spearchuckers
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>>5902832
were you not aware of when and how bow and arrow technology spread in NA?
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>>5902832
Those damn dirty wh*toids blew it up! They blew it all up!
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>>5875849
>Capt. Silas Soule refuses to let his men join the attack. "It looked too hard for me to see little children on their knees begging for their lives, (having) their brains beat out like dogs," he would say.
I like how people are acting as if all Americans are vile for this, when you struggle to find even a single European feeling slightly guilty let alone disobeying orders in their various massacres and atrocities.
The only person I can think of to oppose the Boer concentration camps, wherein the British starved little girls 'til they were skin and bone and further refused them rations due to their fathers not surrendering, was a female British politician and not even a guard or soldier who would deal with the atrocity firsthand day after day like Soule would.
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>>5875849
Soule wasn't the only one to disobey orders.
Cramer is severely unrecognized.
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>>5875849
Europeans are Neanderthals
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>>5892801
Stop being a little bitch
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>>5901885
See >>5897623
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Why u do this
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5875849/#q5909692
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>>5900064
>tfw interfacing directly with an inferior mind
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>>5910558
>(you are x) x4
Great.
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>>5897623
See>>5897644
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>>5875849
Evil mutts
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>>5894894
1) Indians were not a monolithic group, and had widely diverse perspectives on private property.
2) The majority of sedentary/semi-sedentary groups recognized communal "ownership" of ancestral lands, to be used for agriculture and hunting
3) Even the most nomadic groups recognized the spiritual and ecological importance of their historic hunting and burial grounds, for instance the Black Hills in the Dakota Territory
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>>5890890
looks like you are already playing the victim
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>>5882373
>fully assimilated
How about no. Not defending it but also no.
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>>5877860
The Maori ate children’s eyes out of their living heads
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>>5879309
Hey everyone it’s the civilization potential guy
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Yikes. Chivington sounds like a gigantic faggot. Not sure why people are defending this
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>>5898593
that's because enough of them are still alive to have a political voice
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If only the whites and natives got along and intermarried, then half the posters here wouldn’t have male pattern baldness
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>>5875849
Weak little men coming on here are infecting this board. Any true historian knows this is a deplorable massacre of innocents.

T. Known Boss
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dont fuck with america injuns had it coming
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>>5875849
>Hundreds line the streets as the volunteers parade through town, men's and women's genitals on their hats as trophies.
>At the Denver Opera House, the scalps of 100 men, women, and children are strung across the stage. The crowd rises in a standing ovation.
Sure thing champ.
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>>5875970
then why /his/ cries about soviets raping germans in WWII?
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>>5898593
And they're justified, so who cares.
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>>5916715
>you are x
Nice.
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>>5875849
As a Native American, I can't do shit about the past neither the predictament we're currently in. We're out of the game, literally. I walk around my community and there's fucking drunks walking about bumming me for change, another guy pissed his pants in a ditch. It's over, I don't even know my own language or my culture. I wouldn't be here without that sweet, sweet technology but then again, I probably wouldn't of gotten this disease with the processed garbage I'm eating.

I think it's better this way - key point here is that it was inevitable, a technologically advanced civilization encroaching on territory of a seemingly squabbling set of tribes.
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>>5924119
It's still worth at least a bit of somber reflection, imo. I say that as someone who's 100% white and not apologetic about it at all. There is a fine line between respecting you guys and understanding what you've lost and enabling the worst tendencies that some modern Indians may have. And I think that even most people who lean my way politically aren't exactly happy about what happened, but moreso just tired of it being used as a tactic of the left to constantly attack us and denigrate our people and nation. Cheers to you though bro, for understanding the mechanisms of history and maintaining a balanced perspective. If I could take some of the $$ that the government blows on stupid shit and put it back into the reservation system in a way that might help to preserve your heritage I'd totally be in favor of that.
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>>5924119
Bruh, the Native Americans tried to live with the treaties they signed, they Christianized and intermarried and they got fucked at every turn.

Andrew Jackson pulled the Trail of Tears on Christian, Native American citizens because he could and he was a prick.

Don't shit on them just because they fucking lost to 200 years of genocide.
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>>5924157
>And I think that even most people who lean my way politically aren't exactly happy about what happened
You're wrong and delusional if you think otherwise.
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>>5924180
Well I'm not going to have a debate centered around inherently anecdotal perceptions, so I'll just say that people whose views are entirely something along the lines of, "Fuck those savages, white power boi", are wrong, and likely a bit stupid. On the other hand, there are a lot less of them than people who believe in something akin to, "Wypipo slaughtered 100 million innocent Native babies just for fun.", and the latter is equally wrong while having a much larger impact on our cultural perceptions right now, and thus needs correcting more vigorously. There were "good" and "bad" actors, on both sides, interspersed throughout this 300+ year clash of civilizations, and I, personally, have a great deal of respect and somber reverance for the people whose way of life was destroyed during the formation of this nation. I just don't agree with the way it's been weaponized for political purposes.
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>>5875849
Now make one with the rape of Berlin. Or is it ok because they were ebil nazis and not some noble savage saint figures?
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>>5877031
>strength: 900-1400
>casualties and losses: 3000
What?
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>>5893848
Too many Euros have a view of their own history that seems to be ignorant of anything pre-enlightenment or post 1900. The scale and barbarism of the American Indian wars are multiplied many times over by old world conflicts, easily. Most of these horrific acts that are famous here are only so because they weren't normal and again, the scale was relatively small. It's absolutely nothing compared to so many conflicts in the Old World. Laughable that you guys act astonished about it, really.
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>>5875852
This
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bump
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>>5924222
Best post of the thread. Unironically.
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>>5875849
Shut up, loser. They were M1875 1.5 Inch Hotchkiss Mountain Guns, and they're different from howitzers in that they're purpose designed to be mobile and usually fire smaller shells
>but yeah Sand Creek was a crime against humanity
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>>5924119
As an Amerindian, might makes right agrees with european replacement.

Millions of Amerindians all over the andean range and guatemalan jungles have higher natality stats than europigs.

It's only a matter of time. :)
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>>5930140
>Matter of time

Time has already passed. Native population in North America has now reached pre-contact levels and our Sacred Clown is installed as the Wh*toid's false idol. It is self evident what wh*toids call the Fall of the West is in reality, assimilation reverse engineered against him. We will win, the question now is just when.
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>>5930212
delusional And*id detected
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>>5930451
*turns your children transexual*

Nothing personal, kid.
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>>5886290
Nice whataboutism
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>>5930475
How do you do that?
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>>5888959
you don't have adblock?
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>>5934629
and you'll be left with the niggers, pahjeets and weebs, great world to live in
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>>5924403
>Laughable that you guys act astonished about it, really
he says with a severed penis sewn into his hat
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>>5892328
you know that the indo europeans originated from outside europe too? This is such a fucking retarded argument. It amazes me that a website of people who think they're intelligent can actually fall for varg vikernas shite talk
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>>5934635
>you'll be left with non-subhumans that are capable of greater civilization
Good grief.
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>>5934826
you're stupid and clearly don't know the first thing about IE
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>>5932822
With a pair of scissors
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>>5934856
>niggers capable of greater civilization
>niggers capable of civilization

what are you saying there champ
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>>5936435
>repeating [letters] changes reality
Hmm...
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>>5936513
what's that reality you're talking about
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>>5936528
That wh*Tes are subhumans.

Cope.
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>>5877712
>
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>>5892328
Absolutely based
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>>5875852
>>>/pol/
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>>5937186
Whites are truly black.
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>>5875852
fpbp
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>>5904853

[Group A] commits atrocity.
[Group A] is vile.

[Group B] commits atrocity.
[Group B] is vile.

>[Group A] isn't vile for committing atrocities, because [Group B] also committed atrocities.

B-BUT WHAT ABOUT

let me stop u there pal
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>>5875852
Based
>>5892328
More based
>>5913195
Also true and baste
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>>5924170
>Let me tell you how to interpret your history.
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>>5875852
cringe
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>>5877712
This is wonderful bait. 10 out of 10.
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>>5875849
What gets me isn't the genocide, but the fact you said these people would be promised sanctuary, yet you kill them when their guards' down. That's what is really disgusting in this tale.
>inb4 all is fair in war
Only for a disgusting savage.
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>>5952087
>you said these people would be promised sanctuary, yet you kill them when their guards' down
Sike
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>>5875860
womp womp
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>>5875849
stop being racist, statistically you are more likely to be killed by smallpox than by a white man, it's only a tiny minority of lone wolves doing this acts looked down by the majority, #notallwhitepeople, if you kill them they win, land belongs to everybody and we are all humans, the white men will do the jobs we don't want to do anymore, we need them to fix our demographic crisis anyway
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>>5957596
Exactly.

No America for Amerindians? Then no europe for europeans.
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>>5957726
>No america for amerindians? Then no Evropa for Evropids.
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>>5957726
why stopping there? china should get culturally enriched by arabs, africa by chinese, the arab world by indians and india by africans, otherwise it's be unprogressive if it happened only to those lucky amerindians and europeans
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>>5875852
Wow that sure was a huge cope tell me Andrew did your mom not cool the bagel bites before feeding them to you this time?
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>>5957999
>why stopping there
Ask the europig here >>5957596.

The only thing I know is that America belongs to Amerindians the same as europe belongs to europeans.

No America for Amerindians? Then no europe for europeans.

Time to get replaced, chimp.
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>>5875849
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungate_massacre
They sowed the wind, and they reap the whirlwind.
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>>5875849
Nits make lice.

The relationship between Americans and Indians even to this modern day is to kill or to be killed. Only one is allowed to come out on top and the Americans did what they had to do to survive, anyone bitching is just being a bitch.
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>>5875852
>>5875860
the duality of man
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>>5886053
>beautiful higher race of people
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>>5924329
>civilian
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>>5960996
better than any anglo who has ever drawn breath on this god forsaken prison world.
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>>5959828
>The only thing I know is that America belongs to Amerindians the same as europe belongs to europeans.
both positions are racist just as "Africa belongs to Africans" and "Asia to Asians" you racist bigot troglodyte fuck
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>>5890890
I'm sure that you aren't young enough to not know what the Balkan Wars were.

And I'm sure you know that the 17-year invasion of Afghanistan Is going Vietnam.

Try to guesswhat that implies.

>>5898607
>"Rhodesia as a state ruled by a tiny White minority was tenable, I swear!"
>"Moderates were cucks!"
In One corner, a racist retard that gave land to his cronies and seriously thought that Rhodesia was the breafbasket of Africa because farmers used traditional tilling methods.

In the other corner, a bunch of people that wanted to go full Sparta without realizing that meant suppressing revolts and riots every other month.

In the middle, unsupported people who thought that maybe not shit oneself over race was a good idea.
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>>5875849
I find these things to be some of the greatest stains on American history.

>slavery is either a tie or a close second, Jim Crow being either tied with it or just behind that.

>the way many Asian immigrant groups got treated up until the 1960's or 1970's fits somewhere on this list as well.

While other nations (and some of the native groups themselves) weren't exactly "any better", I guess I just feel that the US should've known and been better than that. Perhaps I get overly idealistic when I think this way, but I question if idealistic thinking is entirely the wrong way to go about questions like this.
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>>5881129
Spaniards actually. Spaniards did it before the Injuns
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>>5962019
>>5960536
Exactly.

No America for Amerindians? Then no europe for europeans.
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>>5969220
I support America for Amerindians and Europe for Europeans. Mutts and other not native Americans can be genocided.
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>>5969256
So when are eurangutans leaving?
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>>5969262
This
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>>5967874
source?
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>>5969262
Mutts and other not native Americans can be genocided.
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>>5969305
>europigs obssesed with genocide
When are eurangutans leaving? It's been 500 years of europig pestilence here, now you will get 500 years of non-white invasion.

Get replaced.
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>>5969334
No Europe for Europeans? Then no America for Amerindians, enjoy mutts and institutionalized racism, alcoholism and all that on your reservations.
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>>5969356
>no europe for europeans
Noice.

Get replaced subhuman.
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https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5875849/
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>>5967847
U tell em reddit
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>>5875852
Based and redpilled
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Ora i bambini dormono
sul fondo del Sand creek
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Goddamn I hate wh*Toids so fucking much, and threads like this are precisely the reason why.
Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the White European Aryan has invented nothing. Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calendar, a plow, a road, a bridge, a railway, a ship, a system of measurement, or even the wheel. (Note: This is in reference to the pure-blooded Aryan.) He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop or domesticated a single animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beasts abounded around him.) His only known means of transporting goods was on the top of his hard burry head. For shelter he never progressed beyond the common mud hut, the construction of which a beaver or muskrat is capable.

The BLACK race has crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carved mountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren icefields. It has been responsible for the invention of the printing press, cement, the harnessing of electricity, flight, rocketry, astronomy, the telescope, space travel, firearms, the transistor, radio, television, the telephone, the lightbulb, photography, motion pictures, the phonograph, the electric battery, the automobile, the steam engine, railroad transportation, the microscope, computers, and millions of other technological miracles. It has discovered countless medical advances, incredible applications, scientific progress, etc. Its members have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer, Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington, Jefferson, Hitler, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison, GrahamBell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt, Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of other notable achievers.
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>>5959828
But Amerindians are extinct anon. The closest thing left is half Spanish mutts.
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>>5977491
fuck Opechancanough, based solider who shot him
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>>5875849
>Silas Soule was in command of Company D, 1st Colorado Cavalry, which was present at Sand Creek on November 29, 1864, when he refused an order to join the Sand Creek massacre. During the subsequent inquiry, Soule testified against the massacre's commanding officer, John Chivington, and soon after, he was murdered in Denver.
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>>5884089
>>5897705
>>5924405
>>5939200
>>5944198
>>5972286
This is not /pol/, you need to go back.
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>>5978758
4chan is /pol/ you dummy, even /b/ finally dried up and lost its place.
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>>5978758
another r*dditor.
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>>5875852
Based Glanton
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>>5978758
cringe
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>>5875860
And just think, they were only scalping redskins because that's what the redskins did to them.
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>>5920586
Because that's just butthurt G*rmans. /his/ isn't one person.
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>>5875849
and suddenly thousands of years of native american tribal violence was ended, replaced by 150 years and still going Pax Americana.
I celebrate this.
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>>5879993
>Indians as rule didn't kill children, and usually didn't kill women either. Much more practical to enslave them
ftfy senpai
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>>5982400
>oh good, I get to be a slave for 3.5 minutes before they rape, mutilate, and torture me, and then get killed so that my corpse can be raped and mutilated
Truly a meaningful difference...
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>>5892328
Based and red pilled.
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does civilization potential guy ever post in threads not about the americas?
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>>5892328
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>>5875849
Chivington? More like Chadington
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>>5962090
>In the middle, unsupported people who thought that maybe not shit oneself over race was a good idea.
yeah the whole non-segregated thing is working out great nowadays huh
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>>5875975
According to Hobbes, you're a fag
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>>5880385
>get absolutely BTFO by invaders
>"Gee golly gosh, looky here! A treaty"
>get BTFO again
>"what do you mean I shouldn't trust people who want to kill me and take my shit?"
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>>5985768
>"might makes right! deal with it!"
>meanwhile a single non white is enough to replace the entire white population of the country
Everything is fine.
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This was a good thread lads
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Also reminder that the Confederate States of America did nothing wrong.



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