ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.>Assemble a part listhttps://pcpartpicker.com/>Example gaming build skeletons and monitor suggestions; click on titles above parts lists to see noteshttps://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/>How to non-technically assemble a PChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8gWant help?>State budget & CURRENCY>Post at least some attempt at a parts list>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)CPUs based on current pricing:>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming>R5 2600/X - Good gaming CPU with great value>R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU>R7 2700 - Budget video editing>R9 3900X - Professional tasksRAM:>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMPGraphics cards based on current pricing:>AAA or multiplatform games: Radeon card appropriate for your montior>PC centric games, VR games, or ray tracing: Nvidia card appropriate for your display>Used RX 570s can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty1080p 16:9>RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value>GTX 1660 - standardGeneral:>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING>Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync>A 250GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor>Bottleneck checkers are worthlessPrevious: >>72698782
>>72702689>ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.based
>Storming to high hell in Grand Rapids right now>lights start flickering and power goes out for a minute or two>UPS protects my essay and keeps my tunes going>Stops random voltage from fucking up PC and monitorThank you UPS
threadripper is never coming out is it
>>72702752I'm nearby in ontario it's raining here too, no ups though
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Py9mfHThoughts on this?Pic is my current PC. All the games I play on it run really well (1080p 60fps) with no problems. I want to try playing at 1080p 144hz. Will this be fine for that? Also I want a NVIDIA card for NVENC. My budget is around $1000 but I'm trying to keep it on the lower side. Prices are from micro center and if everything is good I'll probably go buy everything this Friday. (re-post from last thread cause I posted right before the new thread showed up)Thanks guys!
>>72702840I would consider the 3600 it's worth the price increase, it's a really solid cpuI'm not crazy about that case but that's just preference reallyotherwise looks good, nice comfy build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YXq2QZlike the other guy, posted my shit latelooking to emulate ps3 and wiiu, first time building. is it good enough? budget is $1,200 - $1,300
>tfw stuck waiting with a bunch of other components sitting around doing nothing
>>72702840It's fine but personally I'd get a 2600 + 1660 or 3600 + 2060
>>72702997did she died??
>>72702993I wouldnt get a gigabyte card but they're really not that bad
>>72702689I'm working on some personal projects which need a lot of data processing/data mining and it's getting to the point that some CPU intensive take over a week to complete, so I'd like to upgrade. I've been waiting on the 3950x, but would a Threadripper make sense in my case? I'd like my stuff to get done faster since I'm still learning by trial and error, but I'd also like to be able to work on more than one thing at a time. Both would be a significant step up since I'm still using a 4790k, but I'm wondering if I'd be justified going the Threadripper route or if it just seems attractive to me because it's looks to be top of the line (consumer grade top of the line anyway) but would be complete overkill. I grew up on macs so I don't know much about hardware.
>>72702993get a sabrent rocket 1tb over the 500gb evo
>>72703093forgot to change it, that looks pretty good
>>72703093Don't those rocket SSDs have a really shit warranty?
how is the 3900x?
What's a good upgrade from the default design r6 fans? Would like to get better airflow on the gpu and chipset; the r6 fans barely pulls any air in on full speed when the dust filter+door is there.
what cpus can even handle 4400+ ddr4 memory. won't it just blow up the imc
>>72702752In Minnesota, isn't too bad here. But it's supposed to be raining non-stop for about 16 hours
>>72703176Be Quiet!NoctuaCougar VortexArcticTake your pick depending on budget>>72703192>blow up the imcno. It takes a LOT to break the imc. Not only that, but the controller will just result in instability of the memory modules if it's not up to the task.
So I'm looking to build an absolute dick kicker of a top tier build. 1440p 144+HZ gaming on ultra settings. Is NVlink/SLI still a thing to invest in? I am willing to throw thousands at such a build.
>>72703287sli is fully dead, in some games it gives worse performance than a single cardyou probably want one of the upcoming processors, 9900kys, 3950x, or threadripper 3 if you are going monstrous, all coming soonthe evga 2080 ti kingpin is your gpuor you could wait until next year when 3000 launches
>>72703395Yea I'm looking to build now as opposed to later. As for SLI/NVlink, reviews show it somewhat favorably depending on the game especially in 4K. If that's the case I'd be willing to upgrade to a top notch 4K panel. >AMD CPUAny reason? I though Intel was the route to go for high HZ gaming.
>>72703395>>72703426the review in question. I didn't think 4K 100+Fps was possible but if it is shit I'll do it.https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8741/geforce-rtx-2080-ti-nvlink-4k-120fps-gaming-now-here/index9.html
>>72702840Looks quite good anon, maybe throw in an aftermarket cooler if you want to OC it.
>>72703426if you're doing 1440p or 4k, CPU performance will be the same in games, all GPU bound.3950x will kick the shit out of every CPU when it's released later this month, and depending how long you want to JustWait(tm) threadripper will even moreso
>>72703426>>72703395> evga 2080 ti kingpinNot that anon but the kingpin feels like its more for tweaking than actual game usage. You can get away with just getting the base 2080 ti black since all 2080 ti's will autoboost.If you want strictly gaming, I'd say 9900k or even a 9700k based on the gamers nexus benchmarks.
>>72703078lol you are like the few rare people where amd moar core tech is super useful
>>72703176arctic P14 PWM if they are cheap in your region
Who makes better cases: Fractal or Phanteks?
>>72703596So it wouldn't be totally idiotic to do so? Basically I wonder if Id regret going HEDT over whatever the proper name is for a normal CPU.
>>72703733Well shit, man you said one workload takes a week.Most shills will tell you that you rathert shave off 5min off your video rendering than have better fps in video games but that's entirely false for majority of people that don't either do those kind of work loads or do them sparingly so they save very little amount of time over the long period.In your case, if what ever shit you are doing actually scales with more cores(check this), then it sounds like getting shitloads of cores is good for you and jusitified.Unless you also want to play video games a lot on it...
>>72703752nope not enough. I'm working on something right now
Payed a guy $50 to remove my Windows passwordNow my hard drive doesn't appear to work and my wireless "not exist"Best of all apparently I'm running off mobo graphics and my 2070s is just a fan with lightsNow I have to go pay that guy more moneyI should have bought a pre built pc
5700 or 2060S? Priced the same in my country.I know most people will say 5700 but these cards trade blows depending on the game so I'm really curious if the 5700 really is outright better.
>>72703872I literally can't even play Minecraft offline because the 2070 needs to install drivers I guess But I can't connect to the internet
>>72703883do you care about old games or raytracing?
>>72703883What resolution and settings do you want to push?
Looking to get a new PC.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZQtfMZWhat do you think?
>>72702630Your 750Ti may have run on the motherboard alone, right? So yeah your 8 pin connector might just not work on the PSU. And again, could just be the GPU.If a local shop will test it for free, that works.>>72702993Get a better PSU and SSD.>>72703115>casual FUD spreading>>72703287Here you go. Anyone linking you pissant builds is just trolling.>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9LtfMZ>>72703752can you not read?anon said top tier 1440p 144hz ultra>>727038835700. Better perf/watt and will likely gain more perf with driver updates whereas Turing is mostly already pretty optimized.At least I'm expecting RDNA to age like GCN did. GCN aged better than any GPU had. But if you don't feel the same, then it's just literally down to preference when they cost the same so pick one.Ignore the old games psyops. Nvidia has just as many problems with old games unless you're using an old GPU and Windows XP with it. >>72703872>>72703907put me in the screenshot
>>72703768Ok, thank you anon.
>someone here recommends some RAM for a b450 build >ask if its compatible >they tell me yeah>trust them because I dont see why theyd lie about that, buy the RAM>just checked my motherboards RAM support page>its not supportedFUCK WHOEVER TOLD ME TO BUY THIS SHIT FUCK YOUUUUUUU FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKK
>46 posts>25 posterswhat's going on in this thread? >>72703960>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZQtfMZ>HDD>$280 for a 1660Ti>overpriced board>overpriced RAM>overpriced PSUYou are in the right direction but slightly messed up on everything.>>72703078If you make money off your PC, it makes sense to get hardware that saves you time and thus makes you more per hour.
>>72703960Do you already have your OS on an SSD?Or are you planning on putting it on the HDD?
>>72704010Already have a SSD>>72703994Can you point me to some cheaper options?Thank you both
>>72702840I would personally change the case to something like the Fractal Design Meshify C or Define R6.
>>72703992kek Kek KEK
OK. Guy who wanted a big dick gaming build. Rate please. Pic related is the cooling solution I have in mind. Playing at 4K and the goal is 100+ FPS.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZPRPmq
>>72703960>>72704026Here. With a 1TB SSD instead of HDD, and 35% more powerful GPU, for only $50 more.>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JK6txGYeah, the CPU might bottleneck the GPU in some games, but when 3600s go on sale for really cheap you can upgrade then and sell your 1600. It won't be a serious deal, might just get like 10 or 15% lower FPS in some games than you could have with a 3600.The 2600 is only like 7% better than the 1600 IIRC.You can stick with the 1660Ti but get a better and cheaper one. That one is shit and overpriced.This assumes you have a 1080p@144 monitor already.>>72704061He said 1440p@144 though. You need LN2 for that. I already gave him the build.
>>72704084>He said 1440p@144 though. You need LN2 for that. I already gave him the build.I'm the guy who was asking for that build. And no, you don't need LN2 for dual 2080Ti's and a 9900k, you're seriously mistaken. Also I changed it up to 4k 100FPS instead
>>72703967>Windows XP with it.why must you lie and exaggerate?
>>72703992why are you so retarded?I hope you learned a valuable life lesson from this and wont repeat the same mistake again.
>>72703994>If you make money off your PC, it makes sense to get hardware that saves you time and thus makes you more per hour.Where have I heard this before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDpDesU_0zo
>>72704092You won't get 100fps in every game without LN2. >you don't need LN2 for dual 2080Ti's and a 9900k, you're seriously mistaken. You don't understand what you're even saying, yet trying to correct someone who knows a thousand times more than you. It's funny.>>72704107Not a new IP, it's just trolling. Everyone knows the QVL isn't a "compatility" list. Stop responding to trolls and just report them.
Motherboard just bricked and I want to start fresh with a new system. Windows 7 or 10?>5700XT when
>>72704142win 7 for freedom and gameswin 10 for cuckery and exclusive games that only have a dx12 mode
The next 20% off warehouse deals on Amazon will be for the black Friday week, correct? Fuck i found some great deals, i hope they'll remain available until then
>>72704127>Need LN2 Huh. It's almost like all these reviewers are using basic bitch air cooled FE cards for their testing and would you look at that! The vast majority of their games at 4K are showing 100+ frames! Hmm. It's almost like you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about you smarmy cunt. I'll move on with my build regardless. https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8741/geforce-rtx-2080-ti-nvlink-4k-120fps-gaming-now-here/index9.htmlhttps://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-nvlink-review-taking-sli-to-the-next-level?page=6https://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-sli-review-with-nvlink_208222/8https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3419-sli-nvlink-titan-rtx-benchmark-gaming-power-consumption
>finally get cpu fan installed>finally bypass Windows password>wlan not exist>no fix seems to work>hard drive with my games is ded>can't play games anyways because 2070s needs to update with internet connection
>>72704310>>finally get cpu fan installedHow was this not one of the first things you did?>>finally bypass Windows passwordWhat? Did you steal this fucking PC?>>wlan not existMissing Drivers>>no fix seems to workTime for a clean install>>hard drive with my games is dedhow do you know?>>can't play games anyways because 2070s needs to update with internet connectionNeeds drivers.Are you OK anon?
Is the MSI b450 tomahawk max reliable enough for 3600? Is there something better at the same price range? BIOS flashback isn't that important since I'll get the store to assem my pc. Thanks
finally locked in 3866 16-16-16-34 1T. so happy rn
>>72704336fucking nice anon. What motherboard and RAM kit? I have a 2x16GB Samsung B-die CL14 3200MHz kit that I never really say down and got a top tier OC locked in.
I'm looking to buy a 4K monitor for gaming. Since everything needed is going to be a huge investment, I'm wondering if I should go for a monitor in the $800+ range, OLED 144hz ect.What's the best purchase with these options in mind? I've only ever used a 1080p Acer monitor for the past 7-8 years.
>>72704107I just wanted to believe the anon was being ernest, I cannot for the life of my understand why he would reply "yes" if he wasnt sure. Im never trusting anyone ever again, fuck everything.
>>72704358>4K monitor for gamingDon't. It's stupid money and unless you're willing to settle for low graphics fidelity or low frame rate, it's pointless. I'd go and game at 144HZ 1440p.
>>72704349z390 aorus pro / teamgroup 8x2 samsung b-die single rank @1.4v. xmp on them is 4133 cl18 but i can't get 4000 mhz to run without vccio/vccsa going through the roof
>>72704334https://youtu.be/zuyuS04lD4o?t=477also assemble it yourself anon, it's a good way to bond with your new pc
>>727041427 is EoL in a few months. Your alternative to windows 10 is linux, not windows 7.People recommending win7 are Russian who want to add you to their botnet.>>72704235>cherry picking paid marketing reviews that left out the games which get under 100fpslol wow people are actually this stupid and easily manipulated. Like you found those articles and ACTUALLY believe you can run every game at 4k@100 because you can in 5 games cherry picked by Nvidia's marketing team.Metro gets under 35fps at 4k with a 2080Ti. NVLink is not 2:1 scaling so it's not going to magically get 300% the performance with 200% the GPUs. Especially not if there is a CPU bottleneck. You won't even get 200% performance, as your own cherry picked tests show. You get about +65% when it actually works, almost +90% in strange brigade but with terrible stutters.Same deal in Control, dips to 35fps. You aren't going to get 300% scaling with 2 GPUs so you aren't getting 100fpsImagine being so wrong yet so sure you're right. It's hilarious. I wonder what other things you've been hilariously misinformed into believing based on marketing that's easily deciphered by most 85+ IQ people.>>72704336Very nice. Good job. FCLK set to 1/2 MCLK too, right?>>72704334If you're buying board locally, I'd get something better value like the steel legend, mortar, or tuf pro. Tomahawk is overpriced.
>>72704368>I just wanted to believe the anon was being ernestDon't be a drone anon, always double check for yourself, always think for yourself.> I cannot for the life of my understand why he would reply "yes" if he wasnt sure.Many reasons.He was a lazy retard himself who thinks he is smart but is too dumb to realize.Idiots that exhume confidence in their baseless ideas have lead many people to stupid shit through out human history.He could be a damaged person, menally ill in that they intentionally make you do stupid shit.He could be a shill.In any case anon, I hope you remember this anger, and it pushes you to do some more independent think in the future.
>>72704330Installing the fan WAS one of the first things I did but I had problemsI didn't notice amd put paste on already and made a big messI couldn't get the screws inI had to remove the mobo from the case and install the cpu fan and ram on a tableIt was my old hdd/ssd I hadn't used in a year and forgot my passwordI downloaded the install wizard for my wifi adapter on a usb stick, uninstalled, reset pc, reinstalled, reset pc, nothingHard drive isn't detected in other computers eitherRip At least I got access to some important files..I will reinstall Windows I guess
>>72704395>7 is EoL in a few months.so what?>Your alternative to windows 10 is linux, not windows 7.No the alternative to win 10 is win 7 and linux.>People recommending win7 are Russian who want to add you to their botnet.LOL!
>Minecraft Raytracing not out yet
>>72704334B450 tomahawk and tomahawk max are compatible with 3600 out of box without bios flashbackOnly update bios if necessary
>>72704434What?Literally the only reason I bought a 2070s
>>72704423sounds like you didn't think anything through at all
>>72704377Would not even a 2080ti be able to perform at 120fps with modern games at 4k? I've always kind of half assed my purchases when it comes to new tech, it leaves me with a feeling of always being behind.Maybe 120fps is more desirable though...What do you use anon?
>>72704423>I didn't notice amd put paste on already and made a big messDon't all stock coolers come with pre-applied paste? And even aftermarket coolers have stickers on their pad to keep them clean in transit, why didn't you see that?
My computer died two weeks ago. replaced everything BUT the cpu, hdd, and motherboard. IF i replace my motherboard, will this thing boot up again, or will i have to format the hdd?
I'm only going for max settings in 1080p for every game out right now.What's the cheapest card that'll get that done? I don't really want to lower games settings down to medium or something.
>>72704521depends what fps you want
>>72704521It depends on the type of games you play Console ports will always try their best to fuck you into lower fps
>>72704567>>72704577Let's just assume I play every kind of game, and 60 FPS is all I need. I'm not going to be aiming for 144hz or anything.
Can you guys help me understand PCIe 4 SSDs? Are SSD speeds actually limited by PCIe bandwidth? Because the Samsung 970 Pro is rated at 3.500/2.700 MB/s read/write speeds and uses MLC. The Corsair MP600 claims 4.950/4.250 MB/s speeds using TLC while being much cheaper.How legit are these numbers? Are the speeds claimed by Corsair even possible using TLC or are they using a very fast cache with speeds rapidly declining once it's full?
I've only ever had laptops so I don't know much about cooling (or anything else for that matter), what type of cooling will I need?From the looks of it I'm getting a R5 2600 CPU (comes with "Wraith Stealth Cooler") and RX 570 8GB GPU.
>>72704521Depends on games. RX 570 runs most games maxed at over 60. But some games you have to turn down to "high".a 580 runs even more maxed, and only the most unoptimized shit has to be turned down to high.a 1660 or 590 will run all but like 10 games maxed at 60+.For those 10 shit games like Control, I think you need at least a 5700 or 2060 super to run at 60fps @ 1080p. But those GPUs are massive fucking overkill for 99.9999% of games at 1080p@60 and a waste of money.So as long as you don't play shit games, I'd say anywhere from RX 570, to 590/1660.>>72704629Those numbers are one of about 100 numbers you can measure SSD performance with. It's a number you'll only see when transferring a large file from one SSD to another SSD of equal speeds.I don't even know what the bottleneck for load times is. I presume it has more to do with decompression done on the CPU and such. The 970 evo has much higher read/write speeds than the MX500, and 19k iop/s versus 12k of the MX500, yet their windows and game load times are 99.5% the same. Even the optane 900p doesn't load shit faster despite much lower latency and higher iop/s.As far as PCIe 3.0 limiting SSD performance, sure it does. Of course it does. 2x the bandwidth is 2x the bandwidth. What are you even asking?>>727046752600 stock cooler is perfectly fine for stock speeds.
>>72704737I run control comfortably around 65 with a 2060s at 1440p
>finally got a sapphire pulse>it looks even worse in person than onlineWhat were they thinking
>>72704737what if my only goal is to run skyrim with a good fucking ENB?
>>72704737>As far as PCIe 3.0 limiting SSD performance, sure it does. Of course it does. 2x the bandwidth is 2x the bandwidth.I was under the assumption that currently NVMe SSD speeds are limited by the actual flash memory, not bottlenecked by bandwidth. But if I understand this right, the only reason the 970 Pro is slower is because it's speed is limited by PCIe 3?
>>72704759I don't even have a side window, but cards that ugly still offend my sensibilities.>>72704817Then look up what people run that on with what hardware and what framerates they get.Why are you asking others to google for you?>>72704820I don't know what gave you that impression at all.It's like saying your understanding is that electric cars performance is limited by a single battery of theirs in a battery pack, while ignoring there is more than just a single battery.
>>72703967>whereas Turing is mostly already pretty optimized.About 20 days ago Turing got double digit improvements in some games via a driver updatehttps://www.engadget.com/2019/08/20/nvidia-apex-legends-gpu-driver/>At least I'm expecting RDNA to age like GCN didGen 1 GCN (7970) aged fine, but not amazing, considering its limited geometry pipeline. Keep in mind that consoles had GCN v2 features on releasehttps://youtu.be/fzPo7gu-fTw?t=765New consoles are getting a significantly different arch, considering they purportedly have built in ray tracing cores, so really RDNA 1 (which is really just GCN instructions with optimized instruction pipeline) is probably not going to age as well as RDNA 2>>72703992RAM doesn't have to be on QVL to be supported. Ryzen doesn't really have problems with memory compatibility anymore, and hasn't since Ryzen 2000
>>72704460There is no thinkOnly do
Do they really need to go with the epik edgelord/gaming names for every component?I don't want to cringe every time I open it up and remember it's called the Ripjaws Fury Vengeance or some shit like that.
>>72703960Get an SSD by saving money on a cheaper mobo and a 1660 non-Ti
I couldn't think of where else it would be proper to ask so I have a question about hardware in a laptop.>Ryzen 3500U CPU>Radeon Vega 8 graphics (I'm assuming this means 8 Vega compute units for the iGPU)>8GB DDR4-2400MHz>1080p IPS "nano edge" screen>512GB SSD Storage>MicroSD slot>USB 3.1/3.2 ports and USB-C>Backlit keyboard>fingerprint reader>AC WiFiIt's an Asus Vivobook and it's $530 brand new. Good deal? I'm just looking for a general purpose machine that won't break the bank and it's looking really good for that. I'm a normie so we're talking general use as in social media, typing reports for uni with MS Word and using the rest of the MS Office suite, maybe doing something as taxing as the occasional platformer game during free time.
Think my motherboard is dying. Might be time for an upgrade anyways, pic rel is what I'm running right now, so I'd just be looking at CPU/mobo/RAM.I don't see Intel listed at all at the top, I assume Ryzen is the way to go? I've been out of the game for so long. Is ryzen still super picky about RAM?
>>72704935>About 20 days ago Turing got double digit improvements in some games via a driver updateThanks for backing me up on what I was already saying unnecessarily. Even though anyone could have just googled it if they doubted the statement.>New consoles are getting a significantly different arch, considering they purportedly have built in ray tracing coresAdding a small ASIC at the top of each cluster does not a significantly different architecture make. Turing is nearly the same as Volta, save for that it has what's essentially an ASIC in each SM to detect and cache BVH intersections. RDNA v2 is going to be a less significant architecture change than Tahiti to Polaris, Polaris to Vega, or Vega to Navi, were. Pascal to Volta was a big change, but Volta to Turing was minor changes just as I said it'd be a year before it was unveiled.You know nothing of microarchitectures.It's also likely that the ray tracing in RDNA2 will be too weak to be add worthwhile effects, and too weak to run well, just as it is in the 2080Ti. So it's meaningless for GAMES. Come back in 2023 if you want to compare ray tracing in games and who runs it better. Until then I won't even give a shit if the 6800 XT or whatever the fuck does ray tracing 3 times better and faster than the 2080Ti. It's m e a n i n g l e s s as 3x shit is still shit. Only matters for non-realtime rendering at the moment.>>727049973500U is pretty weak. It's just 4c/4t. I'd really shoot for 4c/8t minimum as it has better perf/watt in multithreading for AMD.Also make sure the memory is dual channel, especially if you want to play games.$530 is a decent price for those specs, though, I think.
>>72704941There is smart people who think before they doThere is people who do and then thinkAnd then there is completely hopless idiots who doomed to just do
Plan is to upgrade with a second SSD and more ram if/when I need them. What do you think?
>>72705092You should do independent research instead of taking an anon's word for it, but yes Intel is in a terrible spot lately. They're basically Bulldozer now, if you remember that.Since you have a 144hz monitor, r5 3600 is a good choice. You could go a little overkill with the 3700X, but for most games it makes like less than a 2% difference in framerates.If you're playing stuff like newer Cryengine games like Star Citizen, the 3700X can be worthwhile, though.Don't make the mistake of getting slow as shit ram this time. 1333CL9 is really bad with 1866 being pretty standard high performance tier of that era.>>72705132Read the FAQ in the previous thread. You'd have an important warning about not using QLC in a main drive there. That drive is a HDD replacement, not for use as a main drive.Your PSU is way higher wattage than you need. That build would run on 400W, but it wouldn't hurt to go 550 or so. 700 is too much and will have poor efficiency.Otherwise, looks good.
>>72705144What drive would you recommend? Can you just list two or three?And thank you about the information on the PSU, Silverstone PSUs are very expensive here in Korea, and this case is really tight without them
So I need a pc for office use, and a little bit of gaymenI mostly browse, edit excel sheets and word documents, music on the background, so very basic thingsWanna play the seasonal titles, 1080p/60hz and really dont carre about muh ultra settingsKinda something like this :https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kZ9DCb Max budget is around 850 usd, any feedback is good
>>72705144oh yeah I remember the bulldozer days haha. Yeah the RAM I have is suboptimal for sure, but I got it in a package deal on newegg on black friday. I'm sure it was a mistake on their part, but I got the 4770k, mobo and RAM for $300 total when that CPU was hovering around $400 normally.Since I'm just getting the 3 components I don't mind spending a bit more. 3700X isn't that badly priced it doesn't seem, although yeah a good $130 more, that would be the mobo right there.seems most people recommended Asus and gigabyte last time I was buying, is that still the case or are the manufacturers pretty similar these days?
>>72705110>Thanks for backing me up on what I was already saying unnecessarily.You said that Turing is already optimized; of course if Turing is still getting recent optimizations there's no reason to think that it won't continue to be optimized for, and in fact it will, as engines get things like asynchronous compute and take advantage of split FP16 and FP32.>RDNA v2 is going to be a less significant architecture change than Tahiti to PolarisTahiti to Polaris was a long time, but it will likely be as big as Vega to Navi.>Among other things, it states that aging GCN is well optimized in today's game titles and game engines, which is lost if AMD starts from scratch with RDNA. The first generation is therefore a way to prepare the market for a future iteration of RDNA, which is described as a "pure" variant of RDNA.>Interesting in this context is that AMD previously talked about the launch of something called " Next-Gen " in 2020https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/27618-amd-radeon-rx-5000-ar-hybrid-med-inslag-av-gcn-renodlad-rdna-forst-ar-2020>It's also likely that the ray tracing in RDNA2 will be too weak to be add worthwhile effects, and too weak to run well, just as it is in the 2080Ti. So it's meaningless for GAMESIt's in a GAME consoles. Ray tracing is already clearly worthwhile even in a 2060, you're just too butthurt over it being Nvidia exclusive to appreciate it
>>72705206SU800, MX500, or Sabrent Rocket are the top 3 in order of cheapest to more expensive and moderately faster in the US.>>72705261>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kZ9DCbIt's okay. You may as well go 1920x1200 as you can find those monitors for that price including some new models.CPU is going to stutter and bottleneck the GPU in games, though.
>>72705270>>seems most people recommended Asus and gigabyte last time I was buying*for motherboards
Can a 9400F with 5700 handle VR?
>>72705292Anyother cpu u suggest for pairing with that gpu? Gonna look for some 1200p monitors
>>72705271>Ray tracing is already clearly worthwhile even in a 2060, you're just too butthurt over it being Nvidia exclusive to appreciate itcut him some slack, Control just came out and it's probably the first game that makes it worth it.So on one hand I get it that he is stuck in the past and thinks all raytracing effects are battlefield/metro tier.On the other hand, it is just one game and there should be plenty more on control tier, or better to make it obviously worthwhile.
>>72705144>They're basically Bulldozer nowNot even close. Bulldozer was always extremely low performing except in very particular workloads and especially in gaming, while Core 9000 is still at the top of gaming performance. Even an i7 2600 absolutely wrecks Bulldozer in gaming. And please, save your "fake Russian benchmarks" hot air, drone>>72705270>bulldozerHe's bullshitting you, do your own research
WHERE IS MY THICC 2 XFX?
>>72702689>ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.My 290X still rocks. Fuck AMD, Fuck nVidia.I know putting hope in Intel is bound to be a bad idea, but I hope they fuck up the duopolies pricing when the finally release their desktop GPU line.
>Getting ready to assemble my PC once I get the last few parts for it>Feeling like a nervous wreckthis is my first time building fellas. I'm scared i'm gonna break something.
>muh fake Russian benchmarks>muh average fps is all that matters and not the other 100 other metricsI doubt he's going to wind up running into fake Russian benchmarks when doing research. He'd be looking at English sites.>>72705305r5 1600>>72705296Depends on the headset. Certain headsets don't work well with Navi. For the mainstream ones though, yeah.>>72705270I'm not sure which of the cheap X570 boards are good to go with. I think ASRock.Gigabyte went down the shitter a few years ago and makes some of the worst products all around.ASUS has really shitty BIOS issues with X570. Maybe they'll be fixed in a couple of weeks or months, but who knows.MSI's cheap boards have really poor VRMs.So yeah I'd say ASRock for cheap X570 boards.You can get a decent b450 board like the steel legend, mortar, or tuf pro and update the BIOS if you have a means to or can buy from a local store with BIOS updated for the new CPUs, too.>>72705358>My 290X still rocks.And you paid how much for it? Because a 5700 is over 2x its performance at less than half the power consumption. That's pretty good progress at its current price.$50 cheaper would be nice, and it'll get there on sales, but expecting lower than that like some trolls do is complete delusion. Retailers, AMD, and board partners all need to make their cut of profits or it would be pointless to make and sell them to begin with.
So I'm looking into HDR monitors, anyone have any experience with them, can you recommend one?I know only ASUS makes a Dolby Vision HDR monitor and it's stupid expensive but other manufacturers are making HDR10 monitors, BenQ has a 1080p HDR monitor others seems to be 4K.
>>72705362Remember if the pins dont fit, get a box cutter and start shaving.
>>72705375>ASUS has really shitty BIOS issues with X570. Maybe they'll be fixed in a couple of weeks or months, but who knows.fug, did I fuck up with getting an Asus tuf x570 then?
>>72705378Don't the Dobly Vision ones have local dimming? So they're shit.HDR400 is fine in a monitor. Do you really want flashlights of NPCs literally blinding you and making your eyes hurt with HDR1000?>1080ppleb tier.>>72705414idk if you have issues then return it. For basic usage, boards don't tend to matter much.
>>72705296I haven't seen any VR benchmarks with Navi, so I'd wait until babeltech or some other outlet publishes comprehensive benchmarks. Vega did not perform well in VRhttps://babeltechreviews.com/vr-wars-the-rtx-2070-vs-the-gtx-1080-vs-the-vega-64/
>>72705375>Because a 5700 is over 2x its performance at less than half the power consumption. According to the other thread, 5700XT uses ~200w at just over 1Ghz.That's 290X power consumption.So It doesn't appear to be any better at all in performance per watt, despite a 28nm vs 7nm difference.Secondly, it's less than double performance - a 290/390 (nonX) to a 5700XT is almost double, but no where near double for a 290X/390X. Lastly - 290X still does everything a 1440p/60 - so why pay double the price of my 290X for a GPU that's not even double the performance 4 years later?I'm not upgrading for the sake of upgrading AMD, despite your demands that I do - so mr. shill - take off.
>>72705092If you aren't wanting a 9700k or 9900k for top level gaming performance then AMD is a better position.>>72705132660p is rubbish because it uses QLC NAND, which is slower. You should look at something like a WD Blue, Crucial MX500 or Samsung Evo (860 Evo or 970 Evo Plus).
>>72705358>hoping for intel to save youimagine how bad things must be
>>72705549It's where we are though.
>>72705500Not him, however in terms of performance per watt, the 5700 is significantly better than the 290X. Think about it: almost twice the perf for the same or less wattage. Most of that improvement can be chalked up to a better node, but there are also architectural improvements in the latest iteration of GCN called RDNA (Navi).You are correct in that you don't need to upgrade yet, so don't. And you are also correct that in terms of historical standards, the 5700 has provided a rather mediocre to poor improvement in value.
>>72705500>According to the other thread, 5700XT uses ~200w at just over 1Ghz.Clearly lying. It barely uses that at nearly 2GHz.It also has over roughly 60% increase in performance per clock. At 1900MHz, it performs like a 290X at 3000MHz+.The 7970 and 290 were the best GPUs relative to the time they were released in the last decade, clearly. Comparing to those releases is a really high bar, and unfair. Navi is still the best new GPU release, for its price and relative to the time it was released, SINCE then.
>>72705422yeah I figured they were shit because they only support DP 1.2 which doesn't carry HDR. I'm seeing that HDR can cause some input delay by up to 8 frames do you know anything about that? I'd get a 2K HDR monitor if I could find one but there doesn't seem to be one in that range.
>>72705500How dare you, you are supposed to consume, not think!
>>72705548>If you aren't wanting a 9700k or 9900k for top level gaming performance then AMD is a better position.I was hoping to keep everything around $500 USD, so in my initial look, it seems 9700k is the Intel option, and the 3700X would probably be the AMD option. Benefit to AMD tho is that it does appear the 3600 is pretty much neck and neck with it
what should I upgradeI want to spend the
>>72705601The entire thing
B450m Mortar max or Steel legend for muh 3600?
>>72705582I haven't heard anything about HDR increasing input delay. Was it tested on Vega/Navi/Turing? I wouldn't be surprised if it's a Pascal issue, as Pascal had lots of problems like that.Link?>>72705590I think $500 for CPU+RAM+board limits you to the 3600, unless you go b450+3700X which is doable.A decent Z390 board is expensive, and still worse than an X570 board.>>72705601>what should I upgradeEverything
>>72705621Just the VESA website says it has an 8 frame backlight adjustment latencyhttps://displayhdr.org/
>>72705616>>72705617>>72705621alright, what should i focus on for video editing, i don't epic game much
>>72705577>Polaris is still the best new GPU release, for its price and relative to the time it was released, SINCE then.FTFY. Navi is just mediocre. Late, without ray tracing, and barely edging out Nvidia's exorbitant pricing>>72705601>I want to spend the-What happened to him?Anyway, anon your i7 2600 is still fine, see >>72705320, but your graphics card needs an upgrade. Graphics card will depend on what PSU you have, and you probably want an SSD as well
>>72705639really depends on your budget tbqh
>>72705656>FTFY. Navi is just mediocre. Late, without ray tracing, and barely edging out Nvidia's exorbitant pricingwhat bothers me the most is they could have priced it well, but instead they decided to undercut nvidia by just a tiny marginEssentially they are saying if not for nvidia, we would have priced it even higher.
>>72705639Get a new mobo, CPU, RAM and add an SSD to install your OS and video editing software onto
>>72705628That's for localdimming, right..?And that's the maximum.Like I said, you should NOT be considering local dimming monitors. Not at all. Just no. They're shit.Interesting though, I didn't realize they ratified those "true black" specifications. >>72705656>without ray tracingand Turing's ray tracing is so laughably weak that it's not even worth mentioning except by some gas lighters trying to trick people's eyes. How's this a point?>barely10%+ better pricing isn't insignificant, and that's after forcing Nvidia to lower pricing. Compared to pre-Super, they would have been nearly 2x better price:performance. Somehow the dumb shills forget this. The 2070 was $600 for the performance of the $350 5700. Pricing was fucking insane before Navi and Nvidia was forced to compete wich is what you're now comparing to. Holy shit, you're dumb as fuck and don't have any facts in order at all.
>>72705674The least amount possible
>>72705601>>72705691r5 1600, b450 mortar/steel legend/tuf pro, rx 570, 2x8gb of 3200CL16 RAM should come under $500.
>>72705691I'd probably just toss an SSD in there then. Why do you want to upgrade? is there something your computer isn't doing very well?
>>72705691>>72705705Oh yeah I forget he needs ssd. Not sure that can be kept under $500.Maybe save the cpu/ram/board upgrade for later, then, and get SSD and RX570.
Is it worth getting a 5700 blower model? They are so much cheaper than the others
>>72703535not true. even at 1440p, the 9900k/9700k will beat amd with a 2080ti.amd cpus are great but the disinformation about their gaming performance needs to end.
>>72705708I've been getting more editing gigs lately and it's struggling on major stuff like 3d, animation work and stuff
I was planning on building an matx computer, because I want something small due to my work making me move every 6 months or so. But what do people think about itx PCs? Are they too much of a compromise?
>>72705686>and Turing's ray tracing is so laughably weak that it's not even worth mentioning except by some gas lighters trying to trick people's eyes. How's this a point?Is this really the best you can come up with?Don't look at videos, reviews, performance benchmarks, comparison videos and images, just ignore it all, it's all fake, it's made by nvidia, so it's shit that's all the proof you need?
>>72705686>trick people's eyesYou been to the ophthalmologist lately, anon? You might be going blind>Compared to pre-Super, they would have been nearly 2x better price:performance. Somehow the dumb shills forget this.And Navi was supposed to launch at even higher prices before Nvidia blindsided them with Super. Somehow the dumb shills forget this>>72705705>r5 1600He already has an i7 2600. Almost the same in gaming as the R5 you're advising him to waste money on>>72705691Definitely do not change your CPU
>>72705724hmmm well an SSD will only help that so much, although it will help. Your only realistic option is upgrading most everything>>72705705is a good starting point.
>>72705720>Is it worth getting a 5700 blower model? There is a reason why they are. The cooling is subpar compared to any custom cooler.
>>72705754Any custom models you rec then?
>>72705769for 5700? Fuck tell me the cheapest model that isn't a blower for you.
>>72705780protip: he's not worried about gaming, idiot
>>72705686true black is just for OLED as far as I understandWhat do you think of the BenQ EL2870U?
>>72705789My mistake; he didn't say originally
>>72705754>>72705720https://youtu.be/nAKyh-qqQCwTldw, open air coolers are slightly better in a typical atx sized case however they significantly increase the temperature of the inside of the case and are not quieter than blowers. Testing then on open air test benches needs to change, as it's not a realistic test of them in the real worldhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wiDZNT7mxLQTldwIn sff PCs blower cards are more efficient, quieter, and basically better in every wayhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0domMRFG1RwTldwDon't use open air cards unless you have really good airflow in your case because they can heat up the inside of a PC enough to damage the other componants
>>72705680thank god Nvidia dropped super and made them adjust pricing at the last minute
can i run a i7-6700 on a Z370 board?
>>72705838>Tldw, open air coolers are slightly better in a typical atx sized case however they significantly increase the temperature of the inside of the caseOkay correct so far.>and are not quieter than blowers. Yes they are man. More heatpipes, more fins, more fans means you dont have to spin 1 turbine at massive RPM to get the same results.Do you not understand basics of heat transfer or something?>In sff PCs blower cards are more efficient, quieter, and basically better in every wayDepends on the case layout, if you put a PSU to block off the fans, then yes it will perform worse, some have the GPU fans pointing to the bottom of the case where there is a dust filter and the PSU is moved somewhere else.>Don't use open air cards unless you have really good airflow in your case because they can heat up the inside of a PC enough to damage the other componantsDepends on how much power the gpus consume. If it's 100W then anything can deal with that.At 200W and above you should have some airflow in the case and at 300W blowers literally die, while open cards just dump a lot of heat into the case which can be managed with case fans.Is this like an elaborate joke or something? based on the pic I imagine that person was somekind of marketer or something?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jCKtxGGuys I'm making a ton of money and want to upgrade my rig. I'm rocking a 4th gen i5 and 1070 founders edition. Should I just do a customer water cooling loop in this and go for a pre-blocked 2080 ti?
3600 vs 3600xif I was going to go for a medium overclock, would it be worth it to get the higher clock speed and supposedly slightly better cooler?or just drop the $40 on an aftermarket cooler
>>72705886at that price range, you might as well go with Intel 9900k, no?>microatxwhyfor
>>72705885That guy invented chocolateIn the first two videos people express their shock at the blowers being quieter under loadConsider this. A blower takes air from the lower part of the case, usually right next to an intake, and blows hot air out the back.An open air card takes air from inside the case and puts it... Into the case...I was very surprised at this myself but multiple reputable tech YouTubers and using real world testing by putting them into cases instead of a test bench shows that blowers are very efficient. Watch the second video, by putting the blower to 60% power it kept good temps, didn't throttle, and was quieter than the open air cooler whilst not cooking the rest of the components
>>72705886Drop the slow 660p drives for Samsung 970's or WD Blacks.>microatx with a glass front panelwatIf you want a small case then get one of Fractal's small cases with mesh front panel. Meshify C Mini, Focus G Mini or Fractal Core 1000. That said I'd just get a normal case like a Meshify S2 especially if you want to do a custom loop.>3900xUnless you really really need to do video stuff I'd get a 9900k and an Z390 Taichi Ultimate to go with it.
>posts reflections that were in PS2 games>claims it's a new feature just because now it's suddenly locked behind a paid marketing gimmickFriendly reminder to report off topic /v/ posts and blatant gas lighting like that.>>72705720If you aren't overclocking it, yeah. It's such a low power card that the blower is fine.Literally not a single reviewer complained about the 5700 blower (except for gamers nexus general hate). All the complaints about noise were centered on the XT that runs much hotter.>>72705769What are your options?The Red Dragon is nice for only $10 more in the US, if you can find it in stock. But I've seen blowers on sale for $330 which makes it a $30 difference.>>72705796If for gaming, only monitors I'd really consider are the new LG NanoIPS, which has mediocre 350 nits HDRFor content production, that's tough. I'm no expert there as that's a changing landscape.>>72705803At the point in which I replied with the 1600 recommendation, he did say video editing ...And even for pure gaming, it's not a side grade. You get better frametimes with the 1600. That's a benchmark warrior psyops meme. In the real world, people leave their browsers and shit running in the background when they game.>>72705886>intel 660p for main drive>it has intel right in the name so I trust it!I'd also get faster RAM if you're doing a high end build. You should be looking to overclock memory to 3800CL17 or so, and set FCLK to 1900 if your silicon lottery and cooling allows it.And yeah, I'd do custom. Other than the main SSD and mediocre RAM for something high end, build looks fine.Get something like the Addlink S70 for main drive and change your secondary drive to 4TB.>>72705939That's really only a consideration for mITX, but yes it's definitely a consideration. I think that's why Level1Techs did a Node202 build for theirs, they're one of the few tech youtubers who aren't complete dummies.
>>7270593960% power>reducing your GPU power intake by 40%>guys look it's coolYeah I am sure blowers are real good when you have a 100W gpu. But really stop trolling people. It has it's applications and niches no doubt about that, but you are trying to frame it like it's superior.
>>72705956>Friendly reminder to report off topic /v/ posts and blatant gas lighting like that.Are you actually posting a Screen space reflection and then pretending it doesn't have a multitude of issues, such as all reflections being inaccurate and literally disappearing if what they are reflecting isn't on the screen itself?Holy shit man you are malicious.
>>72705979Are you ignoring planar reflections which are in many new games, and in games all the way back to the PS2 era?Yes, yes you are.
>>72705914I got this case at Fry's for like 25 bucks and it fits on top of my desk setup for my home office.
>>72705965I meant 60% fan speed on the blowerthe open air cooler needed to be run at 95% fan speed to maintain it's clock without thermal throttlinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiDZNT7mxLQhere is the video proving it. in fact a blower in an mitx case led to better thermals for the CPU than an open air GPU in a full atx case.If blowers were bad, then GPU companies wouldn't use them
>>72706016>planar reflectionsyes, rendering the same scene twice, I am sure that wont have a performance impact.
>>72706033>block off a fan>why is it running hotreally?
why the fuck are there no x570 chipfan noise videos this is fucking stupid.
should I get the tomahawk max + r5 3600 to replace my asus b350-f + r5 1600?or should i listen my friend and "just wait bro(tm)" for am5 socket in 2020/21?
ok so I have an older Corsair case that has USB 3 connections in front. if I were to get a new mobo (x570 probably), would my older case be compatible with the USB 3.2 gen 1 headers on the mobo?
>>72706072the effect on the CPU temp was also observed in the midsize tower ATX case btwan open air cooler is 10-20 bucks more where i live, but it just doesn't actually seem like it's a whole lot better. and I used to actually have a three slot Direct CU2 gpu to replace a blower card that died one Australian summer. ah, memories of shit computers and no air-conditioning, taking off a side panel and pointing a standing fan at the computer...
>>72706077Don't they not even turn on if you aren't using PCIe 4.0 SSDs in RAID or something?>>72706089I don't think AM5 is coming until PCIe 5.0 in 2021 or 2022, not 2020.Sure if you wait, there is always something better. And you can wait forever. But Zen2 is really nice.>>72706033That video is correct.>>72706072That's the entire point. That's not always avoidable. In the situations where it's unavoidable, blowers CAN be better, depending on certain factors.
uhh wtf lol CM Hyper 212 evo is still a very recommended budget cooler? insane to me, that's what I have on my rig from 2013
>>72706119>Don't they not even turn on if you aren't using PCIe 4.0 SSDs in RAID or something?Some are apparently always spinning with no way to turn them off.
>>727059565700 blower on sale for $440 CADThe powercolor one goes for $519. idk
Is there much difference between ram brands and models outside of the heatsink design if they're the same speed and cl timings?
>>72706114>the effect on the CPU temp was also observed in the midsize tower ATX case btwagain, I know, it dumps the heat into the case, if you dont have fans cooling the case well then it will raise the temps of the rest of the components. There is nothing new here.>>72706119>That's the entire point. That's not always avoidable. In the situations where it's unavoidable, blowers CAN be better, depending on certain factors.But I never denied it has it's niche cases? WTF anon
>>72706089nolisten to your friendyou can update the bios and put a 3600 in that boardhttps://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B350-F-GAMING/HelpDesk_CPU/
Why did PCBG OP posts went to shit and had never recovered?
>>72706149i will look for examples of blowers vs open airs in regular mid tower cases.
what's the recommended way to update BIOS on gigabyte boards? Certainly not through the APP center. But between updating BIOS from BIOS or flashing, which is it? Also they have this q flash plus thing, which sounded very simple, but it says it will also update the backup BIOS? Why would I want that, that defies the purpose of the backup.
>>72706098Check if your case has a cable to plug into the USB header on the mobo
>>72706203yeah it does have a cable. I'm just wondering if usb 3.2 would be backwards compatible with usb 3. I assume it is
How long till USB 4 and ddr5 becomes available to consumers?
>>72706213right after you lose your virginity so, 8 years or so
Why shouldn't I use an A320 when they cost half of B450 in my poor ass country and the money saved could feed me for a month?The used market is still selling proper working entry level boards from first gen core series, I expect A320 to have the same longevity as those.Or just bite the bullet and get 4 weeks worth of instant noodles?
>>72706289Because they're dogshit?Or you could just save one more paycheck? Life is about setting priorities, I want a new pc but I also need to buy a bicycle I need to fix my motorcycle which I crashed... and I want to get a small portable laptop for study so I can separate my study and gaming. New pc is like third or fourth priority for me right now.
>>72706289depends on what processor you are using it for and what features are important to you
>>72706289A320 isn't for Zen2.Find a used B350.
So, which 5700 and 5700XT models are good? I've heard about MSI fucking up the memory/vrm cooling but what about the others?
Anon pls recommend some decent 1440p 144hz/120hz monitors at about $300? Basically for gaming/multimedia with 3600 + 5700 xt
Assuming one has a beefy GPU cooler with plenty of heatpipes and fins and fans.How much of a difference would liquid metal make?(copper or copper nickleplated heatsink)Trying to figure out if the temp difference would be worth it or not
>>72706332One month of food is still one month of food.>>727063333600>>72706345Youtube has videos of A320 working fine with bone stock 3600I'm thinking, if the youtube shows the 3600 on a320 performing as well on higher end boards, and I don't need the extras, wouldn't then there be no reason not to get A320? They monitored the A320 vrm temps and they said it was well within safe range. For just a board to enable 3600 performance what am I missing that makes it a bad idea?
>>72706393on 2nd gen boards only some of them can be updated to take 3rd gen chips without having a 2nd gen chip installed first
>>72705705 >r5 1600, b450 mortar/steel legend/tuf pro, rx 570, 2x8gb of 3200CL16 RAM should come under $500Thank you for this suggestion. I'm also trying to build a cheapest video editor (non professional YouTube vids). Please continue this suggestion for a full build: case, monitor, etc.Thank you
>>72706457>not getting the cheapest case with ok air flowif you can get the Thermal take H18 in your country, get it, it's amazing.
Are anti static mats worth it if my house is all carpeted?
Fucking hate Newegg Canada.
>This item ships to Australia. Get it by Friday, Sept. 20 - Tuesday, Sept. 24I forgot how long shipping takes over here. God help me if there's a screw-up.
>>72706575Amazon's way cheaper though.Unless I'm missing something:>R5 2600 for $129.06https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/dp/B07B41WS48/>same product for $199.00https://www.pccasegear.com/products/42072/amd-ryzen-5-2600-with-wraith-stealthI hope I'm not missing something, $750 AUD sounds a lot nicer than over $1100 AUD.
>>72706372>google for me>>72706373nixeus edg v2 I guess>>72706457your current case?V277U unless you need HDR, then things get more expensive.Just use parametric filters on pcpp like https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ddQHfHcase is pretty subjective. H18 like the other anon said is fine.>>72706528just discharge static before touching shit.
>>72706565wat are you shippin
hi i have older build with gtx 1050ti and ryzen 5 1500x and one 8gb memory stick. is it worth buying another same stick? is the difference really big?
>>72702689In regards to graphics cards being overpriced, stay away from the 5700xt. It's only $70 or so cheaper than the 2070 and the driver support is so fucking bad it isnt worth it. The constant BSOD, crashing, overheating and voltage max while idling is embarrassing at best.
>>72706660>exchange rate>shipping in a couple of days instead of two months lol>shipping fee>warranty>giving money to Bezos ex wife, supporting thottery
>>72706802I'm building a new rig, so everything. But that's beside every item so I assume it's going to take about that long (still haven't purchased yet, still finalising things).
I enabled iGPU in my bios and my 2nd monitor is plugged into it, but whenever I have a video playing on it it still makes my 144hz monitor go to 60hz on testufoWhat am I doing wrong?
>>72706797>nixeus edg v2 I guessThey still sell that?
>>72706853>exchange rateI thought it might've been exchange rate too but the original listed prices are exactly the same as the Australian prices and they aren't quite the American prices listed on other sites.I hope I didn't fuck up and it's just an exchange rate issue. It knows I'm in Australia at the very least.
You faggots led me in the right direction when you told me to choose the nitro+. Now I'm ordering for one. That benchmark video basically showed me that FPS is really no difference among the 8GB rivals. Also, fuck XFX
i am building a 3700x + 2080 rig and am real confused about freesync and g sync monitors.what benefit do they really have that v sync didn't already offer? would it be worth $100 more to try gsync over freesync?i may order both of these and after calibrating see what one i like more, but i really don't know what benefit these are giving over vsync and why i should use either
>>72707035They have adaptive sync, no tearing at variable refresh rates, v-sync is supposed to be a locked framerate and I think can affect performance.As for gsync vs freesync, freesync works with either brand, gsync is nvidia only, don't know if one is better than the other or anything.If you're going to get both test it out and do tell, I'd like to know what the difference is too.
>>72706812i guess it could worth it, especially for when you eventually upgrade your other parts. What speed ram do you have?
>>72706859why the fuck are you shipping an entire system worth of stuff from overseas?
>>72707035vsync can add 100ms of input lag, depending on the game.Even best case scenario seems to be something like adding 25ms than you get with freesync/gsync. read the section on monitors in https://rentry.co/pcbg-more
>>72707082If it's actually cheaper and I haven't fucked up (which I may have) I'm willing to wait a few weeks.
hi /pcbg/ i'm planning on getting a Sapphire nitro rx 480 8gb oc and i've read online that there are thermal issues and that the card runs stupidly hot because sapphire fucked up the OC, can anyone confirm? does running the silent BIOS tone down the temperature as well?
What is a reliable power supply around 500w. Might replace my 8 year old one, I suspect the 8pin isn't quite working.
>>72707095you accounted for getting raped by GST?
>>72707107No, but as other anon said the exchange rate might have tripped me up.I don't see why one country would have a 30% discount while the other has a solid list price though.
i9 9900k with 2070 super or 3900x with 5700xt. Which spec is better for streaming POE on Twitch? TY sir.
>>72707173It's hard to say. I only see one video of someone with a 9900k, and it's in act 1 in the absolute least stressful area of the game.There's 2 zen2 ones, but they were a month ago and people were getting half the FPS as with zen1. Some devs have zen2 and said fix was coming in 3.8.0 but no one bothers to test how things are when it's working fine. There was dozens posting about the issue, but people stop posting about it since the update. So no indication of how good of FPS people are getting now and how it compares to the 9900k, but the 3900X is better for streaming.As far as GPU, don't know. Generally the 5700XT is better value, but for that specific game people just don't test it.
Any good case recommendations for around $40-$80?
>>72707101pls respondshould i undervolt? if yes, by how much?
>>727071739900k and use nvec with the 2070 super. bam.
>>72707292Fractal Focus G (has a version in MicroATX and a normal ATX Midtower).
Can an American check the price athttps://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/dp/B07B41WS48/ and tell me if it has a listed price of $199.00 discounted to $129.06?If it just said $129.06 then that'd be one thing, but the $199.00 original price is the exact same as the Australian store's price, except there's no "discount" there which is confusing.
>>72707352Says discounted to $129 for me, in the US.
I'm on an i7 7700k, 32GB ram and a GTX1080 computer right now, and while it works pretty good for gaming, I could really use som extra cpu cores and more gpu power for work.I'm thinking of the 3900X and two 2080TIs, but the 2080TI is already a year old so I don't know if I should just wait. I probably won't bother with SLI, but having two graphics cards scale quite well with the GPU renderers I use for work.I'm also looking at the Corsair 750D but I've heard it's a bit plastic-y. Are there better cases out there?
>>72707360Thanks.Why the hell doesn't the Aus one say it used to be about $260 then? There's no way it was always at a 35% lower price than America's.
Am I playing with fire by contemplating buying a reference 5700XT? Talk me out of this purchase.
>>727070582400Mhz at 1.2V CL15
>>72707366If you can avoid it, I'd say buying an overpriced GPU on the far end of a node's lifespan would be a big mistake. 7nm 3080Ti is going to be a big improvement.For that matter, 2 GPUs often doesn't increase performance in a lot of applications. Like Davinci Resolve only gives like a 15% performance uplift IIRC. But if you're sure that dual GPU scales well for your application, then go for it.>>72707397Yeah, don't do that. Why the fuck would you when you can get the 5700 red devil for cheaper, flash the BIOS, and have a drastically better card? jesus fucking christ reddit>>72707398Get the same stick if you can. And look into how to overclock it yourself.
>>72707418thanks a lot
>>72702840I agree with what the other guy said earlier, definitely upgrade to the R5 3600, and if you want, you might be able to find a used but more powerful graphics card on ebay
>>72707418>5700 red devil for cheaperNot in my country. Believe it or not the 5700 red devil is more money than a reference 5700XT here.
>>72707418>7nm 3080Ti is going to be a big improvement.Yeah that's what I'm thinking, but no one knows when that will be released right? I don't know if it's worth the wait. Two 2080TIs would give me about 4x the performance of my 1080 gives me now.I'll mostly be using Redshift, and it looks like it scales almost perfectly.
>>72702993Dont spend $430 on the 2060 ti for just game emulation. RTX ON is not enabled for many emulations, so I would just go with a cheaper 10-series alternative. Or, if you really want a 2060 ti, you can find them for $330 new on ebay.
>>72707443>Believe it or not the 5700 red devil is more money than a reference 5700XT here.if it's not much, still worth it. You get the same performance as the 5700xt blower without the noise.>>727074563080 should be out by H2 next year. For the Ti, no idea, you might be stuck with the next Titan instead which costs more.>>72702993>>72707466The fuck is this meme of people wanting to emulate the no games WiiU instead of the Switch, anyway?
>>72703078If you're gonna upgrade to a threadripper, you should definitely upgrade to a beefy air cooler. You can't go wrong with one of the bigger Noctua coolers, or one of the bigger Be Quiet! Coolers. A lot of people think water cooling is better than an air cooler, but don't fall for it. They're only better in some custom loops, but those run you over $300 easily, and a lot of times still can't outperform air coolers.
>>72707496>you might be stuck with the next Titan instead which costs more.Alright, maybe I should just go with a single 2080TI for the time being and buy two 3080TIs whenever they will be released. I have colleagues who can pick up my 2080 by then. The current gen Titan doesn't look like it's built for my applications, it isn't even close to the same performance two 2080TIs would give me, so I'm not holding out hope for the next one.
>>72707366Meshify S2 if you don't need a dvd drive.
>>72707559It's better than the Corsair? Looks pretty small but I've had Fractal Design cases in the past and enjoyed them.
Are 9700k / 9900k still the fastest gaming CPUs?
>>72707645yes. it's the best case on the market right now.
>>72707656yeah (well, the 9900k has a few different variants now but you get the idea).
>build new rig>3600, ASRock b450 pro4, 16gb ddr4, Vega 56 because it was on sale>everything seemed to be working fine until I got random black screen crashes, no bsod>troubleshooting begins, swap psu, turn off xmp, everything>hook up my old system and put Vega 56 in it>same crashes again>"maybe my windows/drivers are fucked">reinstall everything on different ssd>shit continues to crash>ask friend for old 560 To>shit performance (obviously) but rock fucking stable so farSo, how likely is it that my brandnew GPU came DoA? could it still just amds drivers being garbage?
>>72707650Seems to be, doesn't appear the bios fix did a whole lot for ryzen.
r8Considering replacing the 2nd hard drive with another SSD, but regular drives are really cheap now
>>72707650Depends on game. Zen2 is faster in the games people actually play like MHW, CSGO, Dota2, LoL, etc.And it looks like Threadripper is going to wind up being even faster for games as the issue first gen Threadripper had has been fixed with the i/o die.>>72707706The BIOS clock speed fix on the 2 die chips (3900X and upcoming 3950X) isn't coming until later this month. The 3700X did get a 1-2% performance improvement over launch/review BIOS with its fix.>>72707732drop the HDDget a better SSD>3.5 star rated 2070Sget better RAMget 3700Xget a case that's not going to be 80% empty spaceI'd replace every single component, basically.
>>72707650they provide the highest framerate in videogames, it's true. if your budget isn't limited and all you want to do is gaming, go for intel.
>>72707701If you google "vega 56 black screen crashes" it seems like a huge amount of people have had them. People seem to think it comes down to 2 issues.One is power draw from the PSU, if your PSU has it, use two different 8 pin connections, not a daisy chain cable into a single connection on the psu.The other is apparently a downclocking issue with a potential solution being:>Go into Wattman and choose the custom profile. Over at the Memory section click on "STATE 1" and select "Set as minimum state". This prevents the HBM from downclocking itself to 167 MHz which appears to be the cause of the instability.>>72707732Do they have any older 2.5" Sata SSD's available, like an 860 Evo? They should be getting to costs as low as HDD's.
Well I definitely did mess up on exchange rates. Goodbye lovely $714 price tag, hello >$1000.
I have a shit cooler, but a shit one that is better than the stock intel or stealth AMD wraith and a 660.Is a 3400G build faster using the vega iGPU or is the 660 still better? I also have an HD7970, I want to build two PCs. I guess the 7970 is better.If the 660 and 7970 are better than the iGPU, should I go AMD or Intel? I don't think I will be upgrading these with better CPUs.
rx 5700xt + 3600 , 1080p 144hz or 1440p 144hz? mostly for gaming, AAA games like the witcher 3, ac odyssey etc.
>>72707789660 is faster than the 3400G iGPU. 3400G iGPU is more on the level of 750ti when overclocked.>>727078251440p. Not all games will run at 144fps even at 720p, so you're better off enjoying the better quality. Plus you can just upscale from 1080p to 1440p with RIS/CAS. 1080p is pointless except for ultra poorfaggery.
>>72706498>>72706797>Thermal take H18> Acer V277U>pcpartpicker.com/list/ddQHfHThanks for the suggestions bros. I'm trying to find similar parts but lower in specs. I only need to edit YouTube vlogs.
I need help brosI bought a Sapphire Nitro+ RX 580 4GB for PS3 emulation and I have a black screen with Demon's SoulsWhy? I have the latest W10 update, latest drivers.It sucks, on Ubuntu I have something relate to LLVM 8.0 I have but cannot get the 9.0 as it asks me to have Feels ban man...
>>72707871You should have vulkan installed right? Pretty sure it comes with AMD drivers.idk ask RPCS3 forums. That's a really specific questionalso don't use latest drivers. Use the latest STABLE drivers, not the new optional/beta ones.
>>72707788welp. i hope you got the gst paid on the invoice because you're gonna get a $100 bill if not.
>>72707778I didn't daisy chain it but solution 2 sounds like what could've been an easy fix. Unfortunately I RMA'd it already because fuck dealing with broken products, spent enough time figuring this shit out already.Does the 5700/XT have any issues of some sorts? I heard drivers are fucked?
>>72707904I hadn't put the order in yet, but even if I had I'm pretty sure it tells you the currency it's in at checkout.
>>72707913Navi doesn't have the ms power spiking issue of Vega. But the drivers are still beta as they are when a new architecture is launched.
>>72707884I do have the latest normal ones. Will try Vulkan later after workI used to crash but that was before I install DOOM and W2TNC so it should work nowthanksHow far you think it can push it with my GPU? 1080p?
looking to upgrade from my 760 to a 1070will my 4770k bottleneck the 1070?
>>72707932Well, sounds like we're still in the "just wait"-phase. Not gonna go team green because 2060S seems like the inferior card aside from memetracing, which that card can't even handle at decent settings. Man I shoulda just kept my 570, now I'm stuck with this almost decade old card until mindfactory gets their shit together.
>>72707846but it depends on the frames ill get no?I mean if ill get lets say 70-80 fps with 5700xt + 3600 i think ill be better off with a 60hz monitor.
>>72707959memetracing is irrelevant until someone creates some universal DLLs to drag-&-drop with the executables and just werks
>>72707959As far as I can tell, Navi driver issues arent' that bad at the moment.Most major issue left seems to be reporting errors (reporting last voltage it was at before dropping to low power state) and just general wattman fan speed reporting issues.I haven't seen significant crash or green color corruption issues lately. But yeah it'll probably be weeks still before the Navi driver is no longer beta.>>727079554770k and 1070 are fairly evenly matched.>>72707978No, you should always have adaptive sync for gaming>>72707986and until there is a 10x more powerful card to run it acceptably without hideous artifacts all over the place.
RX 480 8GB or RX 570 8GB? how cool do they run? did any of you undervolt it?
>>72707926No what I mean is that if your purchase is worth over $1000 in Australian currency, you're going to get slugged with an additional GST fee when the goods come into the country.If the goods are under $1000 in Australian currency and the importer has registered for GST then the GST will be on the invoice and you're okay.If the goods are under $1000 in Australian currency AND the importer hasn't registered for GST (which many won't because they don't give a shit about Australian tax law, or they only sell under $75k a year to Australia), you're also going to get that GST bill.If you've spend $1050 and there's no GST on the invoice your goods are going to get held up at customs until you pay their Gerry Harvey Norman extortion, which is $105 and may have fees attached to it.
>>72707846>. 1080p is pointless except for ultra poorfaggery.It is not ultra poorfaggotry. No need for name calling.
>>72708059Well shit I'll avoid international then, I was only leaning that way because it looked like it'd be cheaper.
>>72708121It used to be a lot cheaper, in the late 2000's & early 2010's we hit parity with the USD and that meant you could import at the much lower US prices and save huge amounts of money AND there was no GST on anything under $1000 or anything labelled GIFT (and customs weren't really interested in personal parcels in this fashion anyway).Now we're fucked because Gerry Harvey had a sook because his shitty overpriced garbage wasn't selling any more and the Libs kowtow to anyone willing to bribe them with enough donation cash.
>>72708221Jokes on him I still wont buy his trash.
>>72705092Op and the mods are bias towards amd because intel costs more. Watch this post get deleted
god damnit I cannot get my 3570k to 4.5GHz without frying itcan ageing affect this shit?
>>72708348is it even meant to be capable of this?
i want to build a rig for Saibāpanku 2077.
>>72708358people are able to push it to 4.8 with lesser voltages and water cooling
>>72708364do they de-lid it?
>>72708370I don't thinksothing is, I don't want to use more than 1.32VCore and it bugs me that some are able to OC to 4,5 with 1.2VI don't see where is the problem apart from my chip being crappy
ssd sata or m2? does it really matter?
>>72708407Your cpu needs to be upgraded soon enough. I wouldn't worry about it lel
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wDtbsZDidnt realize Im exceeding 2k already. At this point should I get a second 1tb ssd instead of hdd for storage?
>>72708455just build a NAS
Reminder on GPU coolers:Open air coolers are bad unless you have a VERY well ventelated and large case, stop running tests on open benches
Building a mini itx, the case I want is forcing me to use liquid cooling for the cpu because 99% of fans are too tall for it.Any suggestions/recommendations/tweaks?I dont need to run anything more than 1080p
Red devil restock today amirite?
>>72707846Imagine thinking that most people care about screen resolutions Nerds
>>72708653Just buy a low profile cooler
When is the nitro+ supposed to be released?
>>72708653Get rid of the hard drives and get SSDs, at least one for boot
>>72708653Also you can get a 2060 for pennies more and a 2060 super for 50 more
>>72708653spend a little bit more and get a 1600 or 2600.
>>72708653just get a noctua low profile cooler and for the love of god ditch the shitty 5400rpm hdds. You should be able to afford a decently sized 2.5" or m.2 Sata SSD and a 7200rpm HDD.
Also considering the better cooler, is it worth getting a 3600x for $310 over a 3600 for $235?
flashing shouldn't be this stressful...
>>72709556They're almost identical, the x is better in pretty much nothing except having a 2% to 3% better single core boost. The difference isn't worth $75 and is better off being spent on pretty much any component, or saved if you're happy with the build already.
Due to space constraints my exhaust fans are on the roof of my case instead of on the back but the aftermarket CPU coolers I’m looking at are all push pull and I don’t know how effective they would be without them blowing directly into an exhaust fan
>>72709629Just run the top fans with a higher fan curve and exhaust upwards, which heat rises anyway.
>>72709556The box cooler sucks either way IMO but I want my PC to be totally silent. You're better off getting the 3600 and getting a nice aftermarket cooler.
>>72709629just get a normal dark rock 4 that isnt push pull, and increase the exhaust fans
Should I just bite the bullet and order a MSI 2070 SUPER GAMING X TRIO 8GB for 135$ more?The release of the 5700xt is just the worst fucking shitshow ever.
>>72707701had similar issues as well, this is why I suggest against vegas, it almost seems like they are selling mined to death gpus and hoping nothing is wrong with them, with the rate of them dying on peoples hands
Planning on doing gaming, mostly through VMs with GPU-Pass through, and some productivity work. Budget is up to 3k USD. I've got a 34 inch monitor that I use for work, but I'd probably route the games to another monitor I'd buy for that. Noise is a concern for me, so I may have gone overboard on that. I am a moron, and can't figure out how to add a second graphics card to pcpartpicker lists, so consider this build, but with the addition of a 2080ti for the windows VM. The 1650 will be for normal workflows on my 34 inch, 2k monitor. The 2080ti will be for use on a VM using GPU-pass through on a more high end 27 inch monitor, if that's even a possible setup. How am I looking so far? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mBx3cY
>>72709629turn the cooler to face up then
>>72709845do you need it soon? the 2080 ti is a year old card with not much price drop since launch, I would be wary buying one now
>>72709845get an intel cpu with gpu embedded instead of ryzen+1650. also a less powerful supply.
>>72709907>vm user with big budget>get an intel igpuworst post in weeks
>>727099271650 for a non gaming desktop is overkill in both power consumption and computing power.
>>72709907What I've read so far indicates that running an integrated GPU with pass through will reduce overall performance more significantly than if you have a dedicated GPU for the base system. Will an intel CPU+integrated GPU be able to handle a 2k 34 inch monitor while a VM is running windows on the 27 inch?>>72709895I can probably reduce the card. What would you recommend for 2k gaming and potentially VR?
new build won't postred DRAM LEDsystem constantly trying to restartafter each restart CPU LED red for a short time and then back to DRAM LED red until next rebootx570 aorus masterryzen 3700xcrucial ballistix sport 2x16gb 3200mhz BLS2K16G4D32AESBalready replaced the mobo, so that should be fine, though old mobo gave me only red CPU LEDalready checked all cables, tried one module of ram etc.ram broken or cpu broken? am I missing something?
>>72710123Is the ram in the correct slots?
>>72710123is the cpu cooler plugged in?
>>72710135yes, I also tried a single module in every slot>>72710145yesit's in the specially marked grey cpu fan connector and spinningI triple checked all the connections
>>72710197Do you have a second set of ram to test to see if your first batch is doa?
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FGzDCbI'm trying to put together a mini-ITX build that will work for mild gaming, decent rendering and heavy animating/photo editing.The GTX 1060 6GB is in my current build so that is what i'm working around, which limits my case to some level.1. Not sure if I should go Intel or AMD for the CPU2. Motherboards are either horrendous to pick on PCPartPicker or there aren't many options for me3. I'm not sure if I will need a heatsink or another fan for itGeneral advice would be greatly appreciated. The graphics card is the only concrete piece to it all so far
>>72709960>I can probably reduce the card. What would you recommend for 2k gaming and potentially VR?I can't say 100% what you should buy, but I'm in a similar situation and what I'm going to do is buy a recently released midrange card like a 2060 super and then buy the 3080 ti whenever it comes out
>>72710378regrettably notI think I will just send the RAM back, got if from amazon, new one will arrive on monday thenthough the RAM did work before with an old board for a few days until a reboot that gave me a red CPU LED - I suspected the board, so I exchanged it, but now I get RAM LED as statedmaybe I should just exchange both RAM and CPU to be safe?CPU just takes a long ass time
>>72710397What's your budget? AMD is probably the best you can do CPU wise at any budget level, but it's good to know regardless.