>Assemble a part listhttps://pcpartpicker.com/>How to assemble a PChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g [Embed]Want help?>State budget & CURRENCY>Post at least some attempt at a parts list>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)CPUs based on current pricing:>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming>R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming (dGPU optional).>R5 2600 - Good 60fps+ gaming CPU; great value>R5 3600 - midrange; good for all but the absolute highest end GPUs>R7 3700X/9900k - Overkill FPS for most GPU/monitor pairings>R9 3900X - Gaming+Streaming/Extreme Productivity.RAM:>Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 minimum>AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMPGraphics cards based on current pricing:1080p>RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost>GTX 1660 - higher fps / more demanding games>RX 5700 - even higher FPS1440p>RX 5700 - 75-100fps+ in most games. Wait for 5700 XT non-blower cards for higher end>RTX 2080ti - Highest possible FPS, but poor value2160p (4K)>RTX 2070 Super OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does.>2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive>Wait for non-blowers if considering the 5700 XT. 5700 blower is fine and comparable to 2060S noise levels, due to being low power.General:>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Yes, adaptive sync (freesync) is important>A 256GB+ SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor>NVMe don't give faster boot/load times than a fast SATA SSD>"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work>Don't use Speccy, use hwinfo instead>See "more" for VRM chartmore https://rentry.co/pcbg-more
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I'll build my second ever gaming PC. Is a 3600 worth it over a 9400f (only for games, I won't do anything else)? Which is better for overclocking (never did that) and emulation?
R5 3600 + 2060 Super MSI Ventus vs 5700XT Reference? Assume 5700XT is $30 cheaper.
>>718393223600 is better you don't really need to OC it just activate PBO and the cpu does the rest, people seem to have really good results with the new ryzen and emulation
>>71839397Forgot, it's for 1440p75.And I can't WaitTM, it's not for me.Will be in a well ventilated case though.
>>71839397would wait the 3-4weeks until custom coolers for the xt come out, but you can buy a 2060s if you really want it now to the difference super big.
When are retailers going to start getting 2060/2070 Super?
>>71839412isnt* super big I wanted to say
>>71839412It's for my brother, I already told him to wait until Ryzen/Navi for a month but I don't think he cares that much now.
>>71839400Oh, really? So it's just something you activate and you're good? Cool.
>>71839397XT is faster but noisier
Is getting the most up to date mobo for 3000 series going to net you that much of a performance increase if youre gonna run it at stock?Or can I get a b450 mobo and still be just fine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jdxbWDr8 my rigdon't need gpu, mobo has one built right in
im switching from intel/nvidia to AMD/AMD, have my 3600X, X570 and soon a 5700 XT on the way
>>71839502You can just buy a used i5 complete pc off ebay for $100 and throw a 1050ti in it for $250 instead
>>71839503Nice, tell us how the house fire goes my man
>>71839185>Corsair Hydro Series H150i PRO>Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO Series 16 Go (2x 8 Go) DDR4 3200 MHz CL16>Seagate BarraCuda 4 To (ST4000DM004)>Corsair RM750x 80PLUS Gold>Corsair Crystal 570X RGB>MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS>AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Wraith Prism LED RGB (3.6 GHz / 4.4 GHz)>Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1 To>MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER GAMING X TRIOAny idea how to optimize this build performance/looks wise ? What about the HDD, should I get a second one or just more To ? Is that RAM good enough ? I plan to build it in 2 weeks for work and gaming, wants it to be fresh for a few years. Thanks for the help!
Do we have any eta on when zen2 bios will be fully fixed?
Ok so I just upgraded my Ryzen 1600 to a 3600. My Samsung 960 m.2 drive couldnt be recognised by the motherboard after the cpu swap. I dont feel its the bios update as ive been running that for about 2 weeks with my old cpu and this drive in question. I have put in an old m.2 drive (850 evo) and the pc has booted no problem. I just got a usb m.2 drive adaptor and the 960 reads just fine. So for some reason the motherboard wont identify it. Any ideas on how to fix this?
>>71839185>https://rentry.co/pcbg-moreThe "Graphics cards continued" part isn't clear at all. Some screeshots are duplicate (ASUS-GTX-1060-DUAL-OC-0007.jpg?ssl=1), and you should circle the part where we should look at on the screenshots.
>>71839520as opposed to fermi?
PowerColor, XFX, or Sapphire for RX580?
>>71839663You can't go wrong with Power Color or Sapphire. I've always preferred Sapphire. Their Nitro+ line is still the best.
>>71839663whatever is cheapest in your region hand has 2+ fans
For negligible price difference, is it really worth it to get an NVME > SATA for pretty standard usage? 500GB Crucial MX500 is $95 AUD pickup (~$60 USD). 500GB Crucial P1 is $103 AUD shipped (~$65 USD). The main thing I'd be interested in is the form factor and lack of cables that would be needed, if I'm being honest, but either would be a welcome upgrade over spinning rust desu.
I'm still holding strong with my 6700k however I've started having GPU bottlenecks when I jumped on 3440x1440 - my 1070 shits the bed. I wonder if it's worth to jump to 2070 super however I'm not super happy about the fact that it costs 150 bucks more than my 1070. Should I just wait till next gen or maybe give AMD a chance with 5700xt?
>>71840316>Vega 64>Sapphire VGA>Macho HSFI respect this. >Corsair RMx PSU>that RAM>weeb shitI'm indifferent about this. >Asus Hero>9400FWhat the fuck is wrong with you?
>>71839434yeah. I think you need an x570 mobo though
>>71840360Vega 64 is a retarded choice anyway. Retard could wait a single month and get 5700 for the same price.
Inteloddlers BTFO ahahahaha
>>71839568problems never existed you ignorant little shit. do literally anything other than repeat nonsense caused by retarded "reviewers"
>Upset with Nvidia for skyrocketing prices over last 3 years without competition>Hyped for new Navi cards>They scale like shit into 4k and 1440pRadeon department can suck my cock desu.
>>71840316gets worse the farther from megumin it goes
Is thermal throttling on M.2 NVMe drives an actual thing?
>>71840316Enjoy the aneurysm from fitting that cooler.
>>71840360Whats problem with ram? Samsung oem is very good.
>>71840395>reddit confirms this>retarded "reviewers" confirm this>literally motherboard makers confirm thisBut that ONE guy on /pcg/ says everything is fine.
>>71840316>intel in 2019based retard.
>>71840360I bought this motherboard for 90$, why not?
>>71840416I have a corsair force because I didn't want to spend a lot of money on the m.2 meme and yes it bloody is a thing. Downloading steam games and apps tends to take longer but installs are quicker. Games load 1 second faster and windows boots slightly faster. Don't know if it's worth it desu. The only good thing is less cable clutter. It gets to like 55 degrees or more during a gaming session too.
>>71840316>9400f in 2019 nigga what are you doin
4k gayming or 1440p gayming?
Daily reminder, this is what Nvidia fags pay for
>>71839663sapphire is THE Gold Standard
>>71839185>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMINGSo, uh, how do I pick a monitor? I don't even know what freesync is or the difference with gsync.
>>71840316>vega 64nigga please
>>71840652freesync/gsync is to match your monitor refresh rate with the GPU speed so no throtling/stutteringfreesync is for AMDgsync is nvidiathey both de the same except freesync (amd) doesn't require extra hardware installed on the monitor so go for amd
I have a 3440x1444 monitor. Is it worth to sacrifice performance by buying 5700XT instead of 2070 Super for the freesync?
GN's 3700x results are quite different from everyone else's Anons who should I believe? Where in most games shown in other channel benchmarks it's a competitor to the 9700k/9900k whilst on GN it's barely scrapping past the 8700k.
>>71840727Learn to read benchmarks. Moments where 3rd gen Ryzens beat Intel in gaming/single thread performance involve disabling SMT.
How long did it take Zen+ prices to drop originally?Am interested in buying a 3600 over my 1300X, but ~$350 (NZD) is a little steep.
>>71840812I assume one Amazon Prime day we will see zen+ be the cheapest its ever been. So maybe like 12 months.
Building a Mini ITXThoughts?https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/f3xbWDIt's a bit ricey but it'll see use for my workConsidering dropping the CPU down to the 3700X. I dunno if I need -that- much juice.Checked the measurements and I'm 99% sure it all fits
Is this the best I can get?Wanted features:>1440p+>IPS>Freesync>HDR>Ultrawide>10 BitThe only problem with this one is that it has no proper HDR.Is there anything better?
>>71839185>Trying to shoehorn a shitty intel housefire into the OPabsolute cringe get rid of it fag
How did I do? Trying to keep the price under $1000. Already got the storage.
Sapphire 5700 XT is already out in my country for 450$ (cheaper than all the super RTX series, even the 2060s). Is sapphire any good? Or is it the stock AMD card? I don't know shit but it looks like a blower. I thought third party cards were out in August only.
>>71839502>bulldozercringetier get a fucking 2200g poorfag
>>71840948Horrible GPU. Get the RX 5700 instead of the RTX 2060. If you don't want a blower, you could wait a few weeks for AIB models with better cooling.
>>71840937And I will get 5700XT to drive it.Can't wait for AMD to be able into machine learning.
>>71840316>motherboard costs more than the cpuWell at least it will make sense once you upgrade into an unlocked one>that ram?I like the rest
>>71839502Get a better used CPU on eBay. Would really try and steer away from bulldozer.
>>71839521the 2070 super is barely any faster than the 5700xt and $100 more>>71840316>intel cpu and vegahow retarded are you exactly>>71840727Steve is a complete retard and if his results differ from everyone else, believe everyone else
>>71840976what's wrong with the 2060? also will the AIB ones with proper cooling cost around $350 when they launch?
>>71840948the 5700 is faster and more efficent than the 2060/2060s
>>71840316Did you just buy a brand new Vega when Navi is available for the same price or less. Also 9400f ISHYGDDT.
>>71840990>what's wrong with the 2060?Nothing really. /pcbg/ is AMD's greatest ally so anything other than AMD products is bad.
>>718409902060 performs worse than the 5700 and also only has 6GB of VRAM instead of 8GB. Decent 5700s might cost a little more than $350, but you can drop that CPU cooler if you're not planning on overclocking at all.
>>71840990>what's wrong with the 2060it is literally slower, less efficient, and more expensive than the 5700Nvidia midrange cards are deprecated for gaming since navi came out
>>71841003>implying this thread wasn't hardcore Intel last yearDid you just get here a few months ago or something?
>>71840994>>71841003>>71841006>>71841011what about the ray tracing meme?
>>71841014>Did you just get here a few months ago or something?I don't know, did you? I'm talking about a GPU, why are you talking about Intel?
>>71841018AMD GPUs can do it anyway with general purpose compute units because they have so god damn many.
>>71841003Yea but its LITERALLY SLOWER THAN THE 5700, even its refresh is slower
>>71841018The 2060 can barely even achieve an average 60 FPS at 1080p with ray tracing on, if it even can, and it will absolutely dip. Ray tracing is a meme.
>>71841030It's also been hardcore Nvidia save for RX cards for absolute hobo builds, so welcome I guess.
>>71841018>ray tracing meme?you said it yourself, its a meme until consoles support it like most things in gaming
>>71841036>asks about 2060>posts 2060STruly, our greatest ally.
>>71841018Just like hairworks, nobody cares.
>>718410502070s=5700xt>2070=5700>2060s>2060What is hard to understand about this, if the 5700 is faster than the 2060s, then its way faster than the 2060 for the same price
>>71841041>It's also been hardcore NvidiaBecause AMD cards have been garbage.
Anyone else having memory issues on the b450 Pro4 after updating to the latest BIOS? Seems like the speed/timing settings don't do anything for me anymore.
>>71841067Using this logic everyone should be buying the 5700xt, but the real world isn't that convenient goy.
>>71841050>shows the 5700 beating the 2060S>durr he said 2060 amdroneNvidiot logic at work
>>71839575Nvme's are broken right now. Widespread issueYou have to wait for a BIOS update
>>71841068And now they arent, welcome AMD back because Navi is better than turing
>>71840976>>71840994>>71841003>>71841006>>71841011>>71841031>>71841039>>71841046>>71841062okay cool, I'm gonna wait for some 5700s that won't set my house on fire. thanks for the responses.
>>71841068Then you do understand why AMD is preferred now but you're just angry about it.
>>71841077>People don't make optimal price to performance purchases therefore no one should.
>>71841091>AMD is preferred nowOh yeah, I'm sure everyone is just going to buy AMD now. It's not like Nvidia still controls the market or anything.
>>71839382>>71839409Thanks. What GPU would you suggest instead for the 3600? I don't game that much but I don't want it bottlenecking it either.
>>71841084SoNVME's are brokenNvidia cards on X570 boards are causing conflictsMemory is back to being unstable (some people can reach 3200mhz, some can't)Anything else? What a shitfest.
>>71841077Check amazons best sellers of new gpus, everyone is buying the 5700xt, No one wants the super refresh because its super shit, super overpriced and super inefficient
>>71841077>unironically calling people goy while siding with Nvidiaholy shit
>>71841067>>71841036Saying that 5700 XT is faster than 2070 is straight up cherry picking depending on games. Vulkan is basically dead. DX12 is already being abandoned by Creative Assembly (No support in Three Kingdoms). Yes it's true that in DX12 and Vulkan 5700 XT can trade blows with 1080 Ti but in DX11 games (aka majority of existing and upcoming games) it can sometimes lose to a fucking 1080 GTX.
>>71840937Bump.Another problem is no USB Type-C video input, but it's not like 5700XT has an output for that either.
>>71841105>the general consensus of this thread is everyone in the world
>>71841102lol I'm done with you. Go back to stroking that Nvidia cock drone. Maybe one day you will see that AMD offers a better products at a cheaper price. Better start saving for that 10th gen Intel like the good goy you are.
>>718410885700 blower isnt horrible, the 5700xt is as usual though
crashing intel aviv with no survivors
>post retarded troll Intel/Nvidia shit>/pcbg/ laps it upI fucking hate you guys so much.
Ok so I picked up an aoc C24G1 today, works great, bu the stand makes it sit further out from the wall than Id like. Does anyone have experience with a third party vesa mount or stand that would sit closer to the wall?
>>71841117>Vulkan is basically dead. DX12 is already being abandoned by Creative Assembly>This is what nvidiots actually thinkYou do know that the ray tracing that nvidia and soon amd are pushing is only available in dx12/vulkan, you are a retard if you think its not an industry standard
>>71840568There is no such thing as 4k gaming. Just walking simulators.1440 then if you think it's absolutely worthwhile. It's hard to justify the leap in price and drop in performance for such a minimal improvement.
>>71840709>is it worth it to sacrifice performancethat's an entirely subjective question, but for the sake of discussion I'd say no
>>71841150>Muh Ray TracingOverrated gimmick that causes too big of a performance hit without giving any noticeable results to ever be adopted by mainstream audience or developers. Also funny that your dishonest shill tactic about Navi's real position in the GPU market would involve ray tracing as 5700 and XT don't even support it.
>>71839502Are you meming? Did you just pick the absolutely cheapest option in each category?Anyway, I'd get at least something like 200ge+2 sticks of 2667 RAM+WD green 120GB+cheapest not shit supply (not sure here, though you certainly don't need seasonic; corsair seems quite popular, not sure how reputable, but probably better than shit like eurocase or whatever you picked)
>>71841151>minimal improvement.well in that case you might as well go back to 1080p.
>>71840709>Is it worth to sacrifice performance by buying 5700XTSacrifice what, the margin of error diffrence between the two? if the 5700xt allows you to have a card that is $100 cheaper with freesync then getting the 5700xt over the 2070s is obvious
Who the fuck is going to use this? I mean come on.
>>71841173>AMD pushes dx12/vulkan for async and better driver support>Nvidia pushes ray tracing so they can establish a lead on amd when they start supporting it You are just too autistic and retarded to understand that nvidia and amd are pushing for the same goal with different motivating factors
why are there so few mATX amd boards? Im gonna build a ryzen system but theres basically only b450 mATX boards available...
>>718411511080p at high framerates is very affordable now. But I still want to upgrade to 1440p for sharper image and I want a bigger monitor
>>71841159>yes goyim pay 25% more for 5% more performance (in select programs)
>>71841211Because ITX faggots killed the demand for it
>>71841229But why havent mATX taken over the ATX market already? Most people have absolutely no need for the extra ports on an ATX board.
>>71841240Because ATX is small enough and not everyone is a macfag who hates having features like you
>>71841249I said im building a ryzen system and i want a smaller case then ATX and mATX has everything i need. mATX should be the new standard and if you need more features you can always but ATX or eATX.
>>71840994what about the 2070s ?
>>71841329You just have to accept that mATX has no wide appeal. My current board is mATX but I will go ATX when I upgrade.
>>71840945its not false on paper the 9900k still is the best for absolute max fps and the recommendation slot is for MOST fps in games so where is your problem?absolute max is no price/perf discussion its just who is the best
>Finally get my new 3600x running after diagnosing a faulty motherboard and replacing it>Network drivers/adapter won't install properly Why does god hate me
>>71841329Most of the "I don't need those features" crowd is just fine with a B450. That's why there's a ton of them towards the low end. Autists that can spend more of money are too autistic for mere mATX and want mITX instead.
>>71841338the 5700xt is near equal the performance of the 2070s for $100 less
>>718413775% more frames for shittier single core, more than twice the power consumption, and almost twice the price of the 3700x and thats all at 720p on a 2080ti, Just face it fag intel lost and their is literally no reason to buy intel anymore
>>71841470>BUT MY 2FPS IN A UNREALISTIC USE CASE I NEED IT
>>71841503All results for benchmarks that say the 2070s is on par with the 5700xt were got from blowers, which means that AIB 5700xt cards will likely be even faster than the 2070s
>>71841513more expensive as well
>>71840568Where did you get em stickers
>>71840936Aren't you a bit afraid knowing all the shit issues there are with newest ryzens at the moment?
>>71841522AIB 2070s are $550, So explain how the AIB 5700xt is going to be more than that, or even the fe price
why won't AMD admit that they have a supply problem with their 3900X CPU? I ordered mine day 1 and now the website says it will be available on the 19th of July.I want to kms.
>>71841548No, because I actually know what I'm doing.
>>71841548Go shill housefires somewhere else fag
>>71840987>the 2070 super is barely any faster than the 5700xt and $100 moreSo I should go for the combo 5700xt with R7 GPU ? How much do I gain for going R9 ? Or maybe still R7 but 3800X ? Anything else about the build, like if the RAM is good enough or not ? Thanks for the help.
>>71841123How many shekels did Aunt Lisa pay you for that one
>>71841571If you are gaming just get a 3700x and preferably wait like 3 weeks for the AIB 5700xt
what happened to the rumor about zen2 not boosting as it should because of the motherboards or whatever it was?
>>71841587Always avoid msi
>>71840937>>71840979>>71841120Nobody here knows good ultrawides?
Acer Predator XB240H or LG 24-inch 24GL600? Both are $298 aud
>>71841597It's literally been an hour, but if curved is what you want then go for it
>>71841597Can't know something that doesn't exist.
>>71841587MSI and Gigabyte are garbage tier motherboards. Once in a fucking blue moon they will come out with something good. Asus is overpriced mediocre trash and asrock doesn't know their ass from a Chinese fire drill.
>>71841587It's was fake like always.Zen2 can't boost regardless of bios/motherboard
>>71841609Thanks anon. I'll be sure to buy from all 0 of the brands you like from now on.
>>71841609do you build your own motherboard?
>>71840316>vega 64 + core i5Holy shit anon you fucked up return ithttps://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-Vega-64-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/3933vs4045
>>71841632>>71841639Abit and DFI are your best bets.
>>71841606>It's literally been an hour,I'm used to posts being lost, that's why I bump.> but if curved is what you want then go for itI'm not sure. Getting a new PC since 2012 and want to get a better expesience.Previously had 1440p 27" and it was nice (though 110PPI is a bit low). Thinking that 21:9 could be a step upwards.>>71841607Elaborate.
>>71841639I second that. Although he didn't mention Biostar so it's possible that's the one he uses
>>71841654>"Abit was a computer components manufacturer, based in Taiwan, active since the 1980s" UNTIL it shut down in 2008">DFI is an industrial computer company based in Taiwan producing embedded systems.Nice fucking advice, retard.
I'm about to sell my PC.best way to back up data and wipe drives?it's nothing too big really, just some documents, photos, etc. zip them up and drop them on Google Drive?And do people expect it to come pre-loaded with Windows? But not activated, right?
>>71841470dude again over all the 9900k is 3% better in games, that's a fact and again the slot its recommend in stands for the ABSELUTE max aka price/perf doesn't matter in that specific slot that's why the 9900k is rightfully in there, you can be mad about that but it doesn't change the fact its still the best cpu for games even when its retardedly expensive, but people(enthusiast) who have large budgets and basically just want the best buy 9900k because they gonna buy a new cpu next year again anyways for everybody else amd is the better choice, why cant a manchild accept that?
>>71841696Disk Cleaning - DBAN or Eraser. You can use backup either using Google Drive, or an external hard drive.Windows key is tied to your motherboard, so wiping it will still mean someone will be able to activate it unless you decide to use the key for another computer.
>>71841696data can always be accessed even if disk wiped (unless you write and rewrite over and over again to corrupt the older clusters)best bet is to physically destroy the hdd if you have compromising DATA on them
>>71841747I use pirated Windows like a cheapskate. Where can I get cheap key?
>>71841696One is none two is one.Save data on both a hdd and cloud.Since you're considering google drive, don't worry about >>71841792 . Just format it.
>>71841834Just leave it pirated.
>>71841834There are plebbit communities dedicated to selling Windows keys cheap, sometimes like $10 or 5 pounds, haven't been there in a while.Also Kinguin sells W10 keys for around $26 w/ insurance.Keys are cheap in grey market.
>>71839185Should i buy Ryzen 3600 or 3600x? all the video testing showing its only 3 or 5 fps difference, what the fuck?
>>718418603600 or step up to 3700x. 3600x is overpriced.6 cores aren't that much these days.
>>71841860is 50$ that much for you?do you intend to keep it stock clock?if yes to 1 of these go for 3600if no to the two questions go for3600Xpretty much no real difference except better colling
>>71841860next gen of consoles will use 8 coresthatr's all that you have to consider when thinking about gaming builds, really
>>71841887In Aus, the 3600 is $315 and 3600x is $389, i still don't understand why is it only a little bit better than 3600 but more expensive, Is it because of the stock cooler or something?
I'm about to put in a new board and cpu. Will I need to reinstall windows or will I just plug it in and it works? I've never done this before so any help greatly appreciated. My old setup is a 2600k and I'm putting in a 3700x.
>>71841929It might boot with the new gear but there will probably be bugs. Better reinstall and install LTSC while you're at it
>>71841903What games even need 8 cores anyway?
I am ready to finally upgrade my trusty old 4790 to a Ryzen 3700x.I am kinda lost on which mobo to choose, I was going toward Gigabyte Aorus, but there is not that many reviews around. Do you guys recommend a good cost benefit one on x570?
>>71841953Just get the b450 tomahawk lol
>>71841967>b450 tomahawkI said X570
Think I will keep my 2700x and wait to upgrade to the next gen. Not worth upgrading to the new AMD CPUs yet.
>>71841990Not really much different though
>>71841586Because its the same performance but a bit less pricy ? Or is there more to it like a better synchro since both will be AMD ? thanks.
>>71841995I want to be future proof and I can pay, I just think its absurd to pay like $500-700 on some high end models.
>>71842012But b450 is cheaper than x570? and you can save some money to buy better rams
gaming PC is stupid as fuck
>>71842027tots>>71842022Man, I said that I want a X570 and thats it. Asking if someone recommends any X570 MB here. Also cases tips would be appreciated (with USB-c and good space).
>>71841921better stock cooler and better binned (higher stock and OC clock)
>>71840368Nah, anything b450 and up can use PBO.
>>71840316>expensive motherboard>locked cpu>and an i5 at that>vega 64you fucked up my dude
>>71842012>future proofpointless since AM4 slot only have 1 more gen to go (zen 3) and then they'll be useless
>>71841903>next gen of consoles will use 8 coresCurrent gen already does. And with horrible single core (zen2 CPUs in the new consoles will be 3-4x faster), games should have already been 8-thread optimized by this logic. But they weren't, because console devs cut corners. A lot. They run their games at 30fps, and even allow dips to 23fps. Then when they ported their games to PC they didn't bother to multithread properly. Console game devs(even when ported to PC) don't give a shit about CPU performance above 60fps. But CPU benchmarks measure in the 144+ range. PC games started using more than 4c/8t when Ryzen and coffee lake came.Yes zen2 in next gen consoles will have 16 threads... But the devs will remain lazy because they just got 3x the performance for free so they don't have to optimize.That said. 6 cores is low end. Not so much because of consoles though.>>71842012>>71841990>>71842050Don't bother with 570x. It's a special release to be the first to support PCIe4. Hell b350 runs the 3900x fine, they promised to support am4 and it looks like they delivered so far.Better get a x470 and a 3900x for the same money. You'll get better performance now and won't need to upgrade the CPU later.
>>71842010Mixing amd cpus and gpus doesnt make the other better just the 3700x makes the most sense for gaming and the 5700xt aib cards will most likely be the best all around midrange card
>>71842054Is it worth the $70 difference though?
>>71842062Jesus, still this processor can last like 5 years and the mobo comes with pcie 4.x.Which part you guys dont understand that i can pay this?
>>718418603600XBetter clocks, better bin and what most people overlook: better stock cooler.
Ryzen 5 3600x is seemingli more powerful and less costly than my Ryzen 7 2700x. Should I sell the old and buy the 3600x?
>>71841566what about i7-9700K ?I want to build a gaming/streaming two in once rig. I'm not sure whether to try Ryzen out with 3900x or 3700x or to go Intel. But i9 scares me with heat and power consumption, will i7-9700K be enough for gaming and streaming?
>>71842079ACKSHULLY there's been some evidence that AMD cpus perform better with amd gpus due to how the drivers work.
>>71842090if you intend to get a better cooler or have one on hand noif you want to use the stock cooler i'd say yes but some would say no
>>71842054>better stock cooler I already got the Noctua NH-D15>higher stock and OC clockOnly 0.2 GHz higher
>>718420723900X is overkillok i wont have to change for some time, but x570 might make sense because of pcie4 and if i can pay why not
PCIe 4.0 will NOT be limited to X570 boards. AHAHAHAHA.https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ryzen-3000-asus-opens-up-pcie-4-support-for-selected-x470-and-b450-boards.html
>>71842091>the mobo comes with pcie 4.xliterally no difference with pcie 2.0 or 3.0 for gaymingnothing manages to max the pcie nowadays>Which part you guys dont understand that i can pay this?doesn't matter, you're paying for shit that you don't use
>>71842062you do realize that they can pull the same bullshit as the transition to AM2+ to AM3 where AM3 processors were compatible with lower speed DDR2 while having the ability to go with DDR3.
>>71842092>>71842114What should i do with the stock cooler? because i've already got the Noctua one, i don't think AMD stock cooler can compare with Noctua cooler.
>>71842091also you'll waste money on a ddr4 board that will be obsolete next year due to ddr5
>>71842141I said future proof, ffs you guys dont take your time to read stuff
>>71842124>I already got the Noctua NH-D153600 then>Only 0.2 GHz higherdepends if you value it worth the price increasebut again IIRC 3600 doesn't OC as well as 3600X stock clock speedbut it's intellectual masturbation at this point
>>71842148go for 3600 thenyou can always OC it later
>>71842079What do you think about the RAM here >>71839521 ? I'm quite hesitant about upgrading it in case 1 Tb isnt "enough" for the future. Also, is it better to take one huge HDD (like 10 Tb) or two 4 Tb ? Guess the build is over with that change (5700xt over 2070s). Thanks.
>>71842186>I said future proofby the time anything manages to exploit 4.0 pcie at max, we'll already be at pcie 8.0 and you'll be obsolete
>>71842096I'm in the same boat as you bud, looking to upgrade my 6700k. What I'd do is to wait a bit until either amd sorts their shit with ryzen issues with temps, WHEA and gets more stable or for 9700 to get cheaper.
>>71842090No. it's 5% better performance.Get the 3600 or step up to 3700x.>>71842096The truth about streaming is that you should probably use GPU encoding, which makes it not very demanding.This CPU is still pretty hot.. - If you need to pay for a cooler you might almost afford a 3900x instead.It beats ryzen in some games but ryzen, even the 3700x will destroy it in productivity like editing clips from your stream...
>>71842132Now we are talking and it looks like the B450 are even better than the X470 in this case... any recommendation?>>71842204There is already SSDs running on PCIe4
Hwinfo is saying my PC is draining from 30 to 120 watts, is that normalThat's just CPU+soc>>71842204He may just run his pcie8 card on the pcie4 slot then, like we do today
Are there any streaming benchmakrs?AMD released CPU's with high core and thread count which would suggest when it comes to gaming they should market it as jack of all trades. You can produce, you can game, you can stream. Meanwhile all I see is synthethic benchmarks and gaming benchmarks with 2080Ti running a game on low preset on 720p. Where are the streaming benchmarks? So far if you wanted to game/stream on the same pc you would go for i7-9700K or i9. But a lot of elitist go for i9 because seems more powerful, but isn't it a little bit of overkill considering heat and power issues? Is Ryzen even an option or does it heat up as much as Intel?
>>71842238That's too much energy tho. I don't want to make the bill hard on Mom
>>71842254Intel is better for streaming
did anyone here manage to get zen2 working with the b450 tomahawk?
>>71842214>The truth about streaming is that you should probably use GPU encoding, which makes it not very demanding.>This CPU is still pretty hot.. - If you need to pay for a cooler you might almost afford a 3900x instead.>It beats ryzen in some games but ryzen, even the 3700x will destroy it in productivity like editing clips from your stream...So instead going for i9 I should probably go for GPU encoding, go for 3700x and 2080Ti? IS it even a good combo?
>>71842237>If on'y I had 5% more FPS, I'd win.......
>>71842282what is there to manage exactly?
>>71840936I hate the case and the cooler looks terrible. Other than that looks good if you really need that much CPU power. If not I'd drop down to the 3700x and get a better GPU.
r8 my build. Haven't built in a few years so out of the loop of new hardware. For gaming & light photo editing - budget around €1500
>>71842297msi's subreddit is flooded with people complaining that it doesn't work and i have one coming today so i was wondering
>>71842326>Haven't built in a few years so out of the loop of new hardware.yeah and it shows
>>71842326>>71842341Even if he hadn't built in a couple of years, the 5400 RPM HDD is unacceptable.
>>71842326I mean it is functional, but I would change literally everything about it.
>>71842326Get a 2060 super instead>1080p 60hz monitorno
>>71842326You really can't get a faster refresh monitor?
>>71842326lmao, just lmao
>>71842326>>71842355>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nf92pGAlternative parts list. Play with as you please.
>>71842358like what? >>71842364>>71842361I can>>71842365>>71842341>>71842355>>71842373Thanks
>>71842385I wouldn't buy a 9600KI wouldn't buy such slow memoryI wouldn't buy a Samsung SSDI wouldn't buy a 5400RPM Hard DriveI wouldn't buy a RTX 2060I wouldn't buy a white caseI wouldn't buy a 550W PSUI wouldn't buy a 1080p 60Hz TN panel that doesn't even have adaptive sync in 2019
>>71842254>Meanwhile all I see is synthethic benchmarks and gaming benchmarks with 2080Ti running a game on low preset on 720p.Welcome to benchmarking. It's all unrealistic except for a few productivity apps, like 7zip and handbrake.>Is Ryzen even an option or does it heat up as much as Intel?3900x heats up a bit but not as bad as 9900k.>>71842285Probably yeah, it's a good combo. Unless you want to pay $200-300 more for max FPS (mind you, were talking 120+ here)>>71842277>fc5Like clockworkStill, compare to when they are not streaming. Ryzen took a much smaller hit. Assuming the hit is similar on intel in other games that run better on AMD... Ryzen would win. Which is probably why he didn't show any other games for streaming.
I want to leave vsoc on +0 and vgfx on 1.25 to save the soc when the igpu is idle, but that way it goes beyond 1.25 sometimes, and by setting +150mv on vsoc it stays solid at 1.25
Do I get a 2700x or a 3600?I need it to last for the PS5/Xbox Scarlet era
What's the deal with AMD fanboys getting in the crazy ragefit when you point out a real bad thing about Ryzen? Never seen intel fans reacting so bad
>>71842373>>71842385What country are you in so I can modify?
>>71842445save for a 3700x
>>71842496can't, computer is literally dying at any moment and I need it for work
>>71842446>Never seen intel fans reacting so badYou damage controlling after a successful AMD product launch convincing people shittier products is "reacting bad"
>>71842503>stock 9900k>still winszen2 is terrible
>>71842503but no you dont understand i NEED my .001 fps difference
Are the Ryzen stock coolers any different from last years?
>>71842504then get the 3600 if you care more about gaming, 2700x if you care more about multithreading
>>71842503There isn't a single scenario where either of these CPUs would be the bottleneck in a fucking video game.
>New BIOS finally lets set vram above 2gb>But not with my 2000 Ryzen
>>71842529Oh you. "stock" 9900k is already running with MCE and at more than double power consumption than it should. 5.1ghz makes a very small difference. >>71842546They love to pretend that a watercooled 2080ti rig running at 1080p with a 200hz monitor is common
>>71842558true, should be 720p
>>71842576Why 480p? What do you need 360p for?
>>71842516>Successful amd product launchU sure about that m8
>>71842542won't 8 core be the standard in the future in terms of the new consoles?
I know everyone is going hard for amd at the moment but the 9700k and 3700x are both $330 at microcenter. Do you guys really STILL recommend the 3700x over the 9700k?
Best new Ryzen and mobo to go with pic related?
>>71842628If you already have a powerful cooler go with what you feel like. Intel of you have a great gpu and 144hz screen
>>71842628if you want single core performance, go intelif you want multi-threaded performance, go AMD
Benchmark bias revealed! More to the left, more Intel bias.
>>71842641>getting an 1700 with a 1080ti
>>71842666I had a 1060 6GB before and only the opportunity to upgrade one bit. The 1080 TI ended up costing me £420
>>71842412>I wouldn't buy a Samsung SSDwhat do you suggest
is this good?
>>71842665>>71842503>Intel is blue and leaning left>AMD is red and leaning rightWhat did they mean by this?
>>71842751>3 sticks of RAM>1 is lower speedwhat the fuck are you doing?
Building a PC specifically for rendering, encoding, and compiling. I do not care about gaming. That said, I need more PCIe lanes than either Z390/X370/470/570 can offer me. Is Intel X299 still relevant? Should I be looking at AMD X399? PC will involve dual 2080Ti's
>>71842747Why yes, I do use Crucial BX500, how could you tell?
>>71842665Nice fucking shit graph. How do you measure that bias?
>>71842754Tbh it matches with the people I know. The only person I know irl with Intel is pretty leftish. Everyone else bought ryzen. He bought Intel just before ryzen1 released. Similar for you i know on discord. All the people that insist on Intel are lefties. They defend jews but aren't really zionist
>>71842758forgot to delete 1st one
>>71842764Look at >>71842503Game selection bias is calculated based on that.
>>71839322>9400fsomeone made you a videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV0TG6Wy-eQ
>>71842798>more games work better with intel so it's bias!I buy amd because I'm a cheap cunt and don't care about 10fps difference.
>>71842798>intel wins in most games so it's biased
Are chipset fans going to be around for all of Zen 2 or if I buy one now am I going to be assblasted by new fanless mobos in like two months?
>>71842809Dude it's calculated from the median. Meaning, only games that show more than ~4% advantage towards Intel counts as "Intel bias".
>>71842762but what's the reason ? Are samsung garbage at sdd ? Eveyrone and their mother in this board say to buy their EVO stuff
>>71842828Why buy new shit on release? Let the guinea pigs betatest it for you and come back in 2 months.
>>71842836>only games that show more than ~4% advantage towards Intel counts as "Intel bias".So intel isn't physically allowed to display an advantage higher than 4% or it's counted as bias?
>>71842809>>71842825Hi pajeets in the Intel shill farmDo the needful and grow a brain
>>71842843Because in a few months, may as well wait for Zen 2+.
>>71842838No, Samsung SSDs are very good, the best even, just overpriced.
>>71842610>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/pW4Y4qHere's a slightly altered version of the previous list I made. If you need 2 TB HDD, you can downgrade the SSD to 480/500GB, but get a 7200 RPM HDD as they retrieve files faster.If you're not aiming at 100+ fps on 1440p, you can go down to 5700. For XT, wait for AIB.As for CPU, for light editing, the 3600 will be enough, and for 1440p, the 3600 can handle that just fine. The 3700X will last you longer, if you prefer the longevity, go with 3600 if you need to save.>Cheaper list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/FdFbWD
This MOBO here good for Ryzen 3000?https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/TUF-B450-PLUS-GAMING/I got curious because of the below:https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ryzen-3000-asus-opens-up-pcie-4-support-for-selected-x470-and-b450-boards.html
If Samsung SSDs are overpriced, what's the best alternative? A lot of the cheaper ones sacrifice cache and the like.
>>71842847If you pick only games at the bottom of the first chart for your cpu reviews, then you are biased, intentionally or not.Especially since some of the games at the top are insanely popular.
>>71842760Anyone? Pls rsnpd
>>71842887>intentionally or notThat's the issue with this, you cannot deduce it was done intentionally. When you have many benchmarkers, statistically some of them will always be biased.>Especially since some of the games at the top are insanely popular.I'm pretty sure the games at the bottom are collectively much more popular just because of their amount.
>>71842867What country >>71842892Get a discounted Threadripper, either 1950x or 2950x as Windows Scheduler is still retarded. Threadripper 3 is gonna be released soon, so wait for that if you can afford it, as the IPC uplift will be major.
>>71842760Zen 2 threadrippers
Budget monitor (<=300$ USD)-1440-VESA-27-32 (preferably 32)-HDMI
>>71842904>>71842912USA. I can get a 1950X for $450 new or a 2950X for $600 new. Any ETA on the 7nm TR stuff? Money isn't an issue but I do need a load of PCIe lanes. Gonna be running anywhere from 2-4 m.2 SSDs and 2x GPUs.
>>71842940TR3000 comes either 2019Q4 or 2020Q1. If you can't wait, it's probably best to get 2950x, although its successor (3970X?) seems exciting.
>>71842922Look up Pixio on Amazon, pick your poison
>>71842887How do you know that they didn’t use an assorted list and picked out a few using RNG? If it came out most of those games favored Intel, the reviewer is biased to Intel?
Is 1.3v soc ok for daily? I want to push my Vega 8 to 1700mhz I thought of leaving idle SOC at 1.1v and gfx voltage (which is SOC when the igpu is under load) at 1.3, but I dunno if that's safe because RN it's set to 1.25 but hwinfo is catching 1.26 peaks, and there is a chance it is going beyond 1.26 for a brief moment that the sensor doesn't catch
>>71842865It's overpriced trash, there are both cheaper boards that do the same and better boards for the price. Also PCIe 4.0 is a meme and only useful for certain applications for the near future.
>>71842922Don't websites have filters for these specsFuck off humongous faggot
>>718429403990WX will probably at least be announced by Q4 this year, and since you’re running double 2080tis you might want that PCIe4 bandwidth
>>71842955My current PC isn't dying, but it has slowed significantly in 4k rendering. I'll hold onto my i7-4960X and 3x 780Ti setup then for now.>>71842989Aren't the 2990WX (and by extension the upcoming 3990WX) held back by Windows scheduler due to shit NUMA usage? Also from looking around, a 2080Ti at full tilt uses just shy of 8x PCIe 3.0 lanes, so even on an older platform is be fine, but PCIe 4.0 would be good for longevity
>>71842984They do, but viewing a picture on a website is less valuable than a legit consumer of the product that can give real feedback that's not as shilled as Amazon or JewEgg reviews have become.
I bought the cheapest b450m mobo and it does everything that you faggots want to do with your overpriced 570s
>>71843016>I'm poor, a bloo bloo.OK faggot
>>71842983Overpriced? It costs like 95 merkels here, I spent more than this in a dinner yesterday.
Hello /g/, I was told to come here for some advice. I'm trying to build a new PC as mine died recently, my budget is around 1000$ all included, as I also have to import it which will be another 300$ extra. Still I went a bit overboard with this as I have no good monitor and have no tower, but I am kinda tired of dealing with shitty parts. I just want to play my RTSs games in peace.Also I wanted to have 2 hard drives as I'm a techlet and partitioning to have linux have always been a lot of pain.
>>71842983Any tip then from one of the list?
>>71842859Much appreciated. Cheers mate
I've had a Rosewill PSU for the past 5 years and haven't had any problems with it, but I want to get a higher wattage PSU for my new build. Should I just get another Rosewill one?
>>71843040>590 No>500 GB hard driveWhy>1000W PSUNot needed, 650W is more than enough>Z390 + 2700X LolMake a list on pcpartpicker, it’ll be a lot easier
>>71843040>Also I wanted to have 2 hard drivesAlright but please turn that 500GB HDD into an SSD. It's insignificantly more expensive but you'll never want to go back
>>71841188Flight Simulator 2020?Making one really long straight road in Cities Skylines in one click?First person perspective immersion?Watching 3 different micro bikini dance videos at the same time?>>71843040What happened to your old HDDs?
>>71843027>I'll never get richer because I spend all my money on fancier-than-I-need computer parts with LEDs everywhere
>>71843073>>71843079The 500gb disk is for linux and watching porn, mostly, so I see no need to have anything different. So instead of the 590 should I just get a 580? Also I read 650w could cause some issues so I just went with the one I picked.>>71843094My old HDD could not be read, so I tried to fix it, and then my PC stopped reading any memory, not even a linux USB, after the startup of the motherboard the screen just goes black with a white "_" going ballistic on the lower right corner.
>>71843117>Said the poor penny pincherLol. Such projection. Enjoy your bottom of the barrel garbage.
>>71842294>>71842294Who the uses the keyboard like that lmao
>>71843094>Making one really long straight road in Cities Skylines in one click?kek'd
>>71843117>i want to be rich by saving but i'll never spend my savingfor what purpose? buying a deluxe coffin for when you'll retire eternally?
>>71843079everything msut be a SSD or just the main drive with windows/linux ?
>>71843144Not living always on the red line, being a bit richer long term...Not everybody plans to suicide at 30
>>71843040>1050 W PSU650 is more than enough for your set upanything more and your electricity bill will increase for nothing because of PSU inefficiency also your cpu and mobo are incompatiblego for a b350 tomahawkand get rid of that gay rgb ram, you're overpaying for nothinggo gskill ripjaws V 3200MHz or corsair LPX vengeance 3200Mhz
>>71843119>The 500gb disk is for linux and watching porn, mostly, so I see no need to have anything different.You may think so, but SSD's run circles around HDD's not just in the speed, but durability department as well. Honestly, it's just a retarded lottery you play with HDD's these days, particularly shitgate which you listed in your parts. You don't want your stuff to blow up within a year, don't you now?The only reason HDD's still exist is for the price per TB's at high storage, which isn't the case for you with 500GB.
>>71843119Sounds like you need to troubleshoot more or you plugged cables back into the wrong spots so the MB doesn't know what to check.The only time a HDD is ded dead is if it was making clicking sounds. There can be minor corruption but usually you can recover the rest of the data as long as the HDD itself isn't thrashing.
is 1660ti worth paying more or should i just just get 1660?
>>71843037You can eat dinner for 1000 euroshekel if you like, that shitty world is still overpriced garbage. >>71843046Strix and Pro were decent if I remember correctly.
>>71843119Don’t forget to replace that Z390 board, you’re pairing an Intel board with an AMD cpu
>>718432411660ti vram standard and clock speed is faster. That's about it.
>>71843270does it translate for vidya? i dont really want to pay 1/10 of the price more for the same
>>71843177>>71843268>>71843191>>71843073Thanks anons, here is the new listAlso, what is a mail-in rebate?https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zQLFcY
>>71843321might want to get at least 500Gb SSD for faster gaymingalso Seagate SSD is meheither WD blue or better reliability toshiba p300btw if you're not streaming or multi tasking you don't need 2700x, get a 2600 and save money or upgrade cpu to 3600 or use it to invest in better GPU (vega 56 is best value for bucks)and mobo should be b350 if you're going 2600
>>71843177>anything more and your electricity bill will increase for nothing because of PSU inefficiencyMore like it will decrease because of psu efficiency. Retard
>>71843378>idle and load have same draw
>>71842902>That's the issue with this, you cannot deduce it was done intentionally.Of course. And it doesn't really matter. Fact is it gives people a skewed image. >I'm pretty sure the games at the bottom are collectively much more popular just because of their amount.Games above the median. DOTA2 is the most popular on steam, and is, in fact, the median. CS:GO is number 3 on steam, GTA is number 4. R6:seige is number 5. >>71842963I know you're argueing in bad faith aka "shilling" but in case anyone falls for it: Picking games by RNG would give no bias on average. Bias is measured from the median.
>>71839185where is my cooler options OP. I need a good cooler for my house fire.
>>71843353Thanks, here is the modified build, I know very little about motherboards, so I looked for one that I thought was compatible and also had wifihttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/fvC46s
>>71843818i don't get ityou went from 128ssd + 1to hdd to 128ss to 1to ssdi think you want 500ssd (for fast gaymes) + 1to hdd (for storage)hdd is slower than ssd but cheaperif you're storing porn or pirated games use the hdd and transfer the games you're actually playing to ssdaside from that you're pretty good to me (maybe try getting a better GPU if it's in your price point)also ask others for more opinions
>>71843889One ssd is for linux, the other is for windows and gaming. The linux one is whatever I found cheapest, and I see no point in having 3, so I just went for an ssd for windows too. I'll ask again later with a pic to see if I get more answers
>>71843935just partition your ssd bruh and get the 1To one then
>>718438183600 is higher value/money than 2600 at the moment.I'd try for ryzen5 3600 + radeon 5700 if I was building a computer on a budget right now.
give me reviews on 5700xt sharpeningi cant find anything. is it as good as amd says?