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ATTENTION: The Navi RX 5700XT (449USD) and RX 5700 (379USD) will launch alongside Ryzen 3000 series CPUs with PCIe 4.0 on 7/7/2019.

>Assemble a part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on blue titles to see notes
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>How to assemble a PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs
>i7 8700 or 9700K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS
>R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing

RAM:
>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended
>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal
>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p
>RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value
>GTX 1660 - standard
>RTX 2060 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)
1440p
>RTX 2060 - standard
>RTX 2080 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2080 - standard
>RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensive

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's 144Hz with adaptive sync
>A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>Bottleneck checkers are worthless

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>>71392593
>>Used cards can be had for a steal
Jamal, please.
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Is this the new RGB?
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I want a Ryzen 3800X (assuming the reviews show the performance is there). Are these X570 motherboards gonna cost a ton?
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>>71392664
>Are these X570 motherboards gonna cost a ton?
Da
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>>71392664
>Are these X570 motherboards gonna cost a ton?
Yes. Why do you need them? A 470 taichi is all you need for a decent performance on the new cpus.
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Will the 1660 last a couple years at 1080p?

Just got one plus an i5 9400f.
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>>71392647
>0 fps
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>>71392703
Will the 470s run them out of the box or will they need a bios update?
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>>71392711
Typical AyyMD
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Pretty cool that PBO is allowed even on the non-X chips now. No reason to bother spending $50 more for budget builds.
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>>71392703
Well I don't know much about the motherboards, I just assumed I'd want to get the new chipset to go with the new generation. I'm not used to AMD where everything seems highly interchangable
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>>71392736
>>71392728
Yes, they need a bios update first. Look out for that. Otherwise they can support the new chips, the only thing you won't get is pcie 4 which is currently useless unless you want to run ton of NVME drives.
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>>71392703
Yes. It's Intcel's fault because they bribed the mobo manufacturers to make it more expensive
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https://www.zdnet.com/article/rambleed-rowhammer-attack-can-now-steal-data-not-just-alter-it/
>70% performance hit
>Only Intel is affected
OH NO NO NO INTELBROS
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>>71392792
This is just a fucking comedy now.
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good but when rx 670?
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>>71392792
>>Only Intel is affected
lmao not even true which you would know if you read the article or understood what it was about
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>>71392760
So I'll HAVE to buy a version with updated bios?
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>>71392730
>voltage spikes to 1.6v randomly
you are retarded if you think PBO should be used
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Whats a good desk and chair /pcbg/?

Been looking to upgrade my setup

I have a markus right now but one of the arms broke off and the seat got ruined in the rain when I moved
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>>71392834
You could always ask the PC shop to upgrade it for you, or for AMD to send you a 200GE for a week
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Just built a new pc with a ryzen 2600 thanks to those dank incoming generation price drops. Scored an ROG x470 board for $189, life is good.
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>>71392824
>Intcel damage control already here
Intel is finished, rabbi
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Pixio PX275h 27" WQHD 2560 x 1440 Widescreen 95Hz Professional IPS Gaming Hybrid Monitor https://m.newegg.com/product/0JC-0081-00030?m_ver=1

Is this a decent monitor? My GPU will do 1440p but probably not above 100hz for triple A stuff.
For gods sake I just want a reliable monitor with good colors and decent response times but theres so much false advertising and talk of ghosting/dead pixels/back light bleed etc.
You guys helped me build my computer and I really need help finding a good monitor. Budget maxes out at 400 USD.
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>>71392887
no need to make up shit then if they are already
finished
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>>71392593
Talk me down from Radeon VII

Do not:
>try to use marketing scams like ‘ray tracing’ ‘retina display’ ‘Ecoboost’ etc

I expected better from this website than to spout that BS
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>>71392841
Yeah I'm sure AMD have no idea what they're doing. I'm the retard.
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>>71392709
>9400f
Why would you do this to yourself?
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>>71392903
>I expected better from this website than to spout that BS
You're on the wrong website lol
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>>71392903
It's a corporate work card with a gaming sticker. If you want to do calculations then go ahead.
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>>71392709
>2019
>6 cores 6 threads
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>>71392886
where'd you get it for so cheap? I need to know where /g/ buys their shit, right now I'm just checking eBay used stuff
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BGxLMZ

Is this the best day-to-day usage PC you can build for $3000?
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>>71392903
it's shit and you're gonna become deaf when you use it remotely hard (amd was too por for thermal paste or a decent arch)
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>>71392906
>reddit
>actual AMD employee
(You)
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>>71392950
>Intel
No.
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>>71392897
I love how AAA is practically synonymous with unoptimized garbage. Also, think for yourself dumbfuck, your monitor is ALWAYS being used. Might as well make your budget flexible and get something like pic related.
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>>71392957
????
nice argument retard
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>>71392924
What’s the difference? It gets good results on benchmarks and the price for performance seems good vs Nvidia.

That’s a real question by the way. I don’t see why it matters. Botox is only FDA approved for bunny lines and yet you can use it to solve headaches, any wrinkles, and TMJ pain.
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>>71392950
>$3000
>8 cores/8threads
>not even best gaymen GPU
It's shit
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>>71392992
9700k looked plenty good in AMD's E3 slides
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Is this only one possible use of mac?
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>>71392957
Yes, Robert Hallock is an actual AMD employee, a pretty high profile one at that.
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Reminder that AMD used a 5133Mhz RAM for their benchmarks and intel still won. Expect 10-20% worse performance with a typical 3200 cl16 ram.
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>>71393038
>mental gymnasitcs
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>>71393038
Reminder that you're pulling this out of your ass and should kill yourself for this low quality shitpost.
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>>71392983
Well, it's higher power consumption and probably hotter. Just saying that it's basically the MI20 or what it was called.
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>>71393049
He is right tho
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>>71392972
I would love that but 400 dollars is the hard limit, still have to stretch my shit ass paycheck for tuition and rent. If you have any recommendations in my price range then I'd like to hear them.
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>>71392834
just get a mobo that has bios flashback so you can do it via usb
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will all of the Ryzen 3000 CPUs come with their own CPU coolers?
I'm looking at the Ryzen 3600
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>>71393065
Well no.
IF you could actually read charts, you'd know that if they were aiming for absolute peak performance they would have used low latency 3733. 5133 would perform objectively worse in all CPU bound tasks.
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>>71392972
>$260 monitor posted
>better recommend a $625 monitor instead

wew
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>>71393038
>3200 cl14 the same as 3600 cl16
dank, my OC was worth it
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>>71393096
Hahaha is this really the level intel marketing is sinking to?
Nice.
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>>71393088
>faster ram performs worse with AMD
kek
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>>71393096
Intel employees are literally shaking now.
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>>71393122
Jesus you're thicker than molasses m8
Faster RAM performs RAM related things faster. If you want to max out CPU potential, you need 3733. Theoretically 7466 would perform the same but that's not even possible.
You probably own a fucking i3 and 2133 RAM anyway you larping fag.
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>>71392983
At that price point why not just get a dedicated work card? Using your infantile analogy it's like using botox to treat child migraines. Its absolute overkill in price compared to aspirin and the child cant tell the difference.
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x570 - motherboard
amd 3900x - cpu
g skill trident z 3200 14cl, 2x16gb - ram
nvidia 2070super - gpu
4k 27" IPS monitor
is this good?
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I still install bluray drives in my builds.
Does that make me gay?
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>>71393192
>nvidia 2070super
>4k
"No"
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>>71393208
Nothing wrong with that.
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>>71393208
If you have more than one BD drive, then yes, you are a homosexual.
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>>71393192
no
>>71393208
no
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>>71393237
How else would I watch both of my copies of cool runnings in 4K bluray?
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>>71393220
2080ti is expensive for me. And I will never play at ulras though
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Does Intel just not fucking care? With all these constant exploits and vulnerability's being found you would think Intel would need all the positive PR they could get. Yet they hardly say anything and they won't even try to put their CPU's on sale to combat the zen2 release. They really must not give two shits about AMD.
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>>71393192
>$1000 for cpu+mobo+ram
>$450 for gpu
cringe
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>>71393241
Why no?
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>>71393247
Burn it to storage using ./brain.sh.
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>>71393253
They said something like "c-c-come b-beat us in real gaming AMD!" before E3.
Embarrassing really.
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>>71392709
>did not paid intel OC tax
the 1660 will outlive that rig
do you at least have a z mobo
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>>71393253
Intel is willing to concede market share to preserve margins.
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>>71393253
AMD showed intel performing better on their slides. Intel doesnt have to do anything, amd is cucking themselves.
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oof yikes
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>>71393253
Why would they care? As of now they have the top end market absolutely dominated. AMD may as well not exist in the server market. And AMD pretty much only exists in the mobile market to avoid a monopoly lawsuit. When it comes to security vulnerabilities you're pissing in an ocean of piss.

We'll see what the 3900x does soon in real benchmarks/gaming.
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>>71393019
you dont need the mac for that

just the $999 stand
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>>71393308
>showed intel performing better
Pretty sure they were trading blows, when only a single gen earlier they were fairly significantly behind. Of course you'll keep downplaying that though.
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>>71392897
>>71392972
>>71393097
REEEE HELP ME FIND A MONITOR YOU FAGS
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>>71392593
I wanted to buy 3400g, knowing it was a total mistake (no pcie 4.0, limited pcie lanes, almost no improvement over 2400g), what Intel CPU counterpart should I buy?

I don't care about memes, it has to "just work".
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>>71393329
why dont you monitor your blood pressure, you autistic mong
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>>71393329
no fuck off
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Well with the price leaks on the x570 boards it looks like Asus is now going full jew with their AMD boards now. I really hope this isn't going to be an on going trend.
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>>71393329
Get a 21:9 34/35 incher. 144 Hz is a meme.
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>>71393277
Whomever run their Twitter is literally just a paid shill. I wouldn't consider it speaking for anyone.
I just hope the vulnerabilities hurt their enterprise sales. They also have a sizable laptop market share. They're more than happy to give up the desktop market share.
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>>71393312
compare to the 9960X

16c/32t

$1700 instead of $2000
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>>71393348
>144 Hz is a meme.
Completely false, get some new eyes. I can agree that past 100 fps is absurdly difficult to even notice a difference desu.
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>>71393343
All the x570 mobos are similar in price
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>>71393348
240hz isnt meme then and you will see the differences between 60hz and it without a doubt.
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>>71392593
Reminder there is a lot of AMD stock owners doing damage control and shilling on /g/ and really all over the net.

For god sake, wait for truthworthy 3rd party reviews on everything before you buy anything.
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>>71393263
now this is the Nvidia I fell in love with
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>>71393384
>damage control
What damage?

>w-w-wait for (((independent))) benchmarks goys...
>or if you can't wait, may i suggest an Intel® Core™ Processor?
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>>71393382
>>71393370
Yes, it is. You absolutely don't need it for anything other being autistic in a shitty online game which you run at 720p to reach high refresh rate.
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>>71393343
The lower end ones are the same as Intel and within $50 or less of the x470. And aren't the new CPUS backwards compatible?
>>71393378
x570 ranges from $180 to $1000 atm.
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>>71393405
>What damage?
AMD navi is overpriced and the presentation used a lot of marketing gimmicks and possibly lies.
So you should wait for actual reviews.

>w-w-wait for (((independent))) benchmarks goys...
>or if you can't wait, may i suggest an Intel® Core™ Processor?
I didn't tell you what to buy. I told you there is a lot of dishonest shilling form AMD stock holders.
And you absolutely should wait for reviews and tests on performance and the feature gimmicks.
After that, as an informed consumer, you can buy what ever you deem best.
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>>71393338
>>71393341
Spotted two of the idiots that only come here to shill
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>>71393384
>Input lag
>higher is better
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>>71393442
Pretty sure everyone was expecting navi to be garbage.
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>get ssd, clone hard drive to it
>files added since the cloning don't appear when I search, but they're definitely there if I manually seek them
why?
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>>71393470
you did a dumb
back up anything important and start fresh
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>>71393463
there is a lot of people defending the prices, seriously.

>>71393459
what is even your point?
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>>71393416
meh, it works with fullhd pretty good.
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>>71393442
>>AMD navi is overpriced
Because AMD's entire strategy is slightly undercutting the competition. So if the competition is overpriced AMD will be overpriced.
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So zen2 is supposed to be years ahead of Intel yet the graphs AMD showed only had then competing neck and neck with them. I was expecting zen2 to blow Intel's 9700k and 9990k out of the water preformance wise.
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>>71393545
>is supposed to be years ahead of Intel
Sorry, who said that? Where?
>I was expecting
Why?
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ohio /g/ lads, i need some help as i am retarted and i dont even know what parts should i buy, i went to my local TECH shop and asked them to recomend me and assembly a PC, they gave me a spreadsheet with what they thought was good for me . here it is
>Incel core i7-8700 3.20Ghz
>Adata SSD SU640 240g
>Geforce 2060 rtx 6gb
>gigabyte motherboard b360 hd3 s1151 4ddr4
>western digital wd blue wd10ezex 1TB
>2 x 16 GB adata xpg ddr4 ram
please help a retard out, they said its gonna be 5,7k in polish [roughly 1,4k in euro]
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Thoughts on the BenQ 3203R?
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>>71393384
>wait for truthworthy 3rd party reviews
Like principled technologies?
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>>71393537
>it's nvidia's fault navi is expensive
like clockwork
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>>71393566
Go away shill, nobody likes you.
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>>71393567
It's so sad shops do this. I mean they might need to move stock that they couldn't sell otherwise but it's still being a dick.
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>>71393600
>expensive
subjective theory of value
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>>71393616
He asked a legit question faggot.
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>>71393568
do you really need USB-C? It costs more just for usb-c.
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For fucks sake no one is shilling AMD much less navi in this thread. Keep your butthurt contained in that other thread about the garbage navi arch.
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>>71393629
>price vs performance
>subjective
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>>71393567
Use pcpartpicker.com and find out for yourself. It's pretty easy to plug in all the parts and itll give you a total cost.
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>budget
1500 English Bongs
>Usage
FFXIV at 1440p Max settings stable 60FPS
>Wait till 7/7
Yes I know, but I'm going insane and just want to build
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I'm planning to make this build for july, since the news ryzen will be out next month, I'll probably replace the 2600x by a 3600x.
Ryzen 5 2600X
Asus TUF B450-PLUS GAMING
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16Go (2x8Go) DDR4 3000MHz C15
RTX 2060 6GB
HDD 1TB
SSD 250 or 500GB
600W psu
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>>71393677
Based and redpilled build.
Do you really want that monitor tho?
(Also please don't buy Windows)
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So, why does amd suck with 7nm?

pic unrelated
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>>71393567
>>71393626
>>71393666
i forgot to add this but the whole cost isnt only for the parts, its also for the system + pc package + disc reader + power supply ... even still what is the problem here that i dont see
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>>71393685
Get better RAM.
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>>71393600
>whining and crying cope
Worse than regular cope

>>71393567
Only buy 2x 8GB RAM
That whole rig is too powerful unless you have a nice monitor

>>71393545
Don't get caught up in the hype trains

>>71393537
Sad but true. It's like unspoken price fixing
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>>71393658
It'd be nice to have, but I guess not desu
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>>71393713
>Based and redpilled build.
Thanks
>Do you really want that monitor tho?
yeah, unless there is something better at a cheaper price point, my priories are 1440p and 21:9 aspect ratio
>(Also please don't buy Windows)
Dont worry, just a place holder
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>>71393335
Bump
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>>71393685
Replace the motherboard, it's junk.
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>>71393728
what's better for my build anon?
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Lian-Li - PC-O11 Dynamic decent case?
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>>71393721
It's a locked cpu so it won't be a gaming champion. You might as well go cheaper and get a 8400/9400/ryzen of similar performance.
The ssd is the bare minimum you want, I recommend either an 500 GB one or two 250s for the OS and the other software. The HDD is an insult, 3-4 TB is the sweet spot and you should get at least a red. The gpu is up to what you want to use it for. If you just want to play on 1080p close to max settings, you can save some money and get a weaker one. If you want 4k gaming, you need a stronger one.
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>>71393756
It's only a rough idea, we're all waiting to see the news amd so I can alway change for a better motherboard.
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>>71393798
Okay, well you made me worried because it's shit. You will melt the motherboard just by booting up.
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>bought 3000mhz ram
>Ryzen refuses to POST
>get some value tier 2400mhz from g.skill
>they work
do i want to compensate for lost speed and try to overclock them to somewhere from 2600 to 2933?
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>>71393677
>Buying Windows 10
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>>71393758
3200 cl14 will be best especially for ryzen 3000
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>>71393758
For a Zen2 build you ideally want 3733 but just get the fastest you can afford.
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What model would you recommend for a 3440 x 1440 Freesync VA or IPS monitor?
It would be for coding/browsing, light gaming (Witcher 3/PoE/Cyberpunk) and to watch movies.
Budget is open.
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>>71393663
>better performance than 2070 and nearing the radeon VII for less money than 2070
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>>71393811
What motherboard?
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>>71393811
Did you update the BIOS?
No way it would refuse to post unless the RAM was faulty, it would fall back to jedec speeds.
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>>71393677
kek someone's been lurking here, that's the /pcbg/ build through and through, just wait till 7/7 though m8, it'll be worth it
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Why pcie4 sucks?
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>>71393861
It's just pointless beyond wanking over benchmark results.
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>>71393851
Yeah lad, been lurking here for about 2 weeks getting ready to buy, I'm waiting till 7/7 but its starting to hurt, PLEASE LISA GIVE ME THE GOODNESS
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>>71393405
>>71393571
look at this shitposting at the mere suggestion that people should wait for trustworthy review from 3rd parties and optimally from multiple sources
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>>71393829
Where are you finding it for cheaper?
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>>71393790
>if you want to play on 1080 close to max settings you can get a weaker one and save mone
i dont really mind playing on 1080, so should i go for weaker one, which one ?
>hdd is an insult, get 3-4 TB
aye, that would do
>locked cpu so it wont be a gaming champion
i dont really want to have a BIG ASSS FUCKING MONSTER, i just want to finally play something decent for once
>just get a cheaper 8400/9400/ryzen
ill ask em out if they have it in stock, if not ill stick with the one i got
what about RAMs ? someone said it might be an overkill to have this lot, but i think it is a good investment to have in the future . also thenks for advice fren
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>>71393895
Well it's kind of you know unreleased.... but I'm going off of msrp
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>>71393894
>wait for trustworthy review from 3rd parties and optimally from multiple sources
You act like that's even optional. Reviews come out same day as release, nobody is likely to even get a chip in hand until the day after.
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>>71393877
one thing you should change is get the 2600 not 2600x because you can overclock it nicely with the cooler you're getting which will save you £50 or whatever, you should also get 3200 cl14/3666 cl16 ram if you're getting a 3600 because that's the best price/performance ram
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>>71392617
>tfw bought a rx 570 for $80 right after the crash
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>>71393870
“Everything except this bottom row,” Carvill continues, “which is 4K at 144Hz 10-bit HDR, everything but that one actually fits inside the current generation PCIe 3.0 Express at a quarter of the maximum performance of it. So four lanes of PCIe Express.”
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What's the go to used gpu for medium gayming now that 750ti is simply too old. 950? 1050? Under $100 to be paired with ryzen 3600.
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>>71393948
rx570
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>>71393896
Look up benchmarks, the rx 570/580 runs everything currently at very high settings on 1080p, you can also look into the 1660/ti, or you can still get the 2060 for longer lifetime. Other choices are there like 1070/ti, etc. Basically depend on the price. The 8700 is in a similar shape, it's an older generation, dead socket, no upgrade path. The i5 of it's generation or the ryzen 2600/3600 can do the same with better multicore performance.
2x8 GB ram is enough for now, try to get 3000-3200 MHz ones.
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>>71393948
2060super perf/cost.
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>>71393833
AB350 pro4
>>71393845
Newest 5.70. In the 3000mhz gskill it just goes for few seconds without a post or beep and reboots
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>>71393967
So return for replacement, it's clearly faulty.
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>>71393967
Also it boots if i put both {2400 first) but it can access only 8gbs of 240p
Its g. Skill aegis
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>>71393910
I was going by the XT price
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>>71259977
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At what point exactly did cases with good airflow go out of fashion?
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>>71393997
Keep in mind that the 3800x is a 105W chip and with the potential for a good OC. It will drain a lof of power and you need solid VRMs for that.
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>>71393997
Adds PCIE gen4 ( you don't need it) and massively increases price. Get a good mid-high end X470 and use your CPU to update it if you want a better board.
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>>71394014
I think they are coming back into fashion, there were more meshed case this year at Computex.
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>>71393827
LG 34GK950F-B
prolly your best bet
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>>71393963
thanks famalam, last question, they also send me a cheaper option, what's wrong here or what's good here ?
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>>71394015
>ryzen
>good OC
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>>71394059
Ask them if they can update the bios on your motherboard because it wont be compatible out of the box with that cpu.
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>>71392593
>recommending the 2060
2060 Super with 8GB of VRAM is coming soon. Makes absolutely no sense to spend $350 on a 6GB card in 2019.
t. 2060 owner with buyer's remorse
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>>71393960
Interestingly priced. The PC would be used for blender cpu rendering (BI), but I'm thinking some cycles in the future might be neat so I'm still lean towards nvidia. It's been a while since I toy with blender again though, will do some more research first.
>>71393966
Seems too expensive, chief. $150 new and we'll talk.
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>>71394059
>Win 10 home
Do you need optical? The only reason for me was imported japanese BDs so I got a BD drive. Maybe you can omit that. I don't know much about the 1660 but if it's around the same price as the 580 then go for it.
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>>71393992
So you're saying 450 is not cheaper than 500
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>>71393257
>i play games
cringe
>therefore everyone plays games
double cringe

Go back to r/pcmasterrace
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>>71394115
You can get 2070s cheaper.
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>>71394032
thanks, pcie gen4 looks like a meme.
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Am I retarded
In my b450 tomahawk settings i've changed the advanced dram settings but they wont save and I can't edit the xmp profile
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>>71394057
>LG 34GK950F-B
Hey thanks, looks great indeed.
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thank you based intel
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>>71393568
it's definitely better than the 1080p version, which is what I have

issa pretty good monitor
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>>71394127
I don't see them cheaper than 479
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What are some good 1080p 144Hz VA monitors?
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>>71392903
>Ray tracing
>marketing
Lmao, look at this nigger
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>>71393967
>AB350 pro4
Sell that shit and get a proper B450 board.
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>>71387431
... yes it's faster than what you have.
The 3600 is even faster still, unless there are some weird outlier benchmarks that AMD didn't show, but costs more.

If all you want is a smooth 60-75fps minimum, then a 1600 is all you really need.
If you want to push 144+, the 3600 appears to be far better for that.

>>71392729
No, that's Intel. 1.6fps

>>71392841
>what is negative voltage offset
>what is that chips are designed to spike at that voltage anyway
Stop spamming these lies, faggot
>>71392824
Stop lying.
>>71393038
Stop lying.

>>71392886
... Strix x470 for $189 is the normal price. I've seen it for $120.

>>71392903
Good workstation card.
Works for gaming too, only because its competition is so bad and skimps on VRAM for the performance of it.

>>71393761
Yes, it's pretty nice.

>>71394211
6 threads I'm guessing?
50fps is all you need, goy
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>>71394184
never mind I did it
3200 CL14. All set for ryzen 3600
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>>71394325
4 threads actually
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>>71393038
>graph ends at 4400CL18
>grap goes down the more Mhz you add
>anything below 5133 will increase latency by a huge amount in 2:1 mode
Is there even 5133 memory buyable.
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>try this test on my monitor
>can only see 14-255
>feel compelled to get a new one

fuck
lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
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I'm planning a build for later in the year. I intend to run Cyberpunk 2077 at 4k. My biggest issue is processor. I want to future proof and get an Intel i9, but AMD's affordability is very appealing. I've used Intel all my life, so an objective comparison is welcome.

Budget is about $3500 USD

>Gpu
SLI 2 EVGA Gtx 1080 8GB's
>Memory
32gb of Corsair Vengeance LPX
>Motherboard
An Asus Prime, specific model differs based on CPU choice
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is htis build good for game
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do we have any idea what some good x570 boards are? part of me wants to go all in come july, but part of me want to wait on extensive reviews of all this and keep with my 2500k in the meantime.
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>>71394378
I have a 6bit-frc TN panel from like 3-4 years ago. Wtf kind of shit monitor do you have?
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>>71394457
https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/pcie-4-doesnt-matter-for-games

> >>71393940
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>>71394488
Acer 24" K242HL, doesn't even have a HDMI port
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>>71394441
>I want to future proof and get an Intel i9
Stopped reading there.
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I haven't been caught up since 2014, what's changed outside the CPU and GPU market since then?
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>>71392906
>>71392957
>>71392977
>>71393020
Not him but the faggot retards are reddit don't get that if you put windows in 'High Performance' power mode or whatever, the voltage spikes into unsafe levels and they could never figure it out without offsetting the voltage in the motherboard.

If you just run your Windows in balanced mode you don't have these voltage issues.

It floors me how stupid people on reddit can be sometimes.
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2700 or 2600X?
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>>71394451
>ryzen 2600
>RTX 2060
>SSD
>3200 cl 18 ram
Not good, not terrible.
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>>71394451
Finnish?
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>>71394553
Yes
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>>71394579
You could also order from Mindfactory because it's the cheapest retailer in yurop as far as I know
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>>71394212
1080p at 32" jesus christ
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>>71393933
>he just didn't buy a new 570, sold the games it come with and cashed in on the rebate
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>>71394605
They could release a 3080Ti that is 30% faster than the 2080Ti for $3k and people would still eat that shit up.
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>>71394540
2600x if u run stock and game
2700 if u gonna run shit that works with 8 cores and will manually oc to 4.0+
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>>71394451
Other than the SSD, it looks fine.

>>71394540
For pure gaming? 2600X.

>>71394625
Yep. Surprised they haven't already.
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I have pic related motherboard, can I add a SSD (not M2) or any graphics card?
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>>71394625
>tfw you can build a really good pc including a monitor for the same price or below of a 2080 ti
where did it all go so wrong
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Currently upgrading after a long overdue.Got a 2nd hand 1080 and ordered a 1080 144hz monitor.Debating getting a 1440p 144hz monitor instead.Do I get 100 fps with the 1080 if i lower setting a bit?
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>>71394493
but don't I need x570 for the best upgrade path and OC?
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>>71394736
i would wait for am4 pcie5.0 motherboards tьh.
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>>71394508
(you)
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so hyped to see if I can push the 3600 to 4.5ghz stable, will it be possible with the stock cooler?
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>>71394736
it's literally pointless to get X570 unless you need PCI-E 4.0 which you more than likely don't. All of the B450/X470 boards minus a few outliers will be good enough if you're getting a 3700/3800X.
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>>71394822
they gonna be binned out the ass and u expect to push above max boost clocks for allcore too?
I got some bad news...
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>>71394493
>PCIE 4.0 DOESNT MATTER
another one for the list
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>>71394854
yeah I do bitch
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>>71394682
Yes you have a SATA connector and a PCI-E slot
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>>71394861
>hi /g/ I fried my 3600 running 1.6v what do
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>>71394704
Kepler, it was all Kepler. muh power consumption memes somehow penetrated everyone's skull and chose the wrong card back then (Tahiti is a candidate for the GOAT chip, I still have regrets not waiting until the stock was up). Nvidia got away putting high tier prices to mid range dies and people just ate that shit up. Pascal in particular was insane; I can understand why so many people got the 970 pre usable VRAM and ROPs, but holy shit did people lose their minds buying 1070s and 1080s. It was all over then.
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>>71394854
>tfw 3700X is mid-tier now
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is this a good idea considering new amd stuff coming out ?
i wont buy a Gcard till next year and my current Pc is an old i5 3570k with an 960
so my plan is to get a really cheap second 960 from a friend for a sli till next year
hope you understand english not my 1st language, not going for 4k gaming
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>>71394832
>zen 4 comes out
>everything below x570 fucked

I just don't want this to happen
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>>71394946
>is this a good idea considering new amd stuff coming out ?
Do you really even have to ask?

Even a 2600 would be a major upgrade over your 3570k
Use the money saved on CPU and board to buy an RX570 or 580 which will outperform the 2 960s.
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>>71394939
>tfw 8 cores are mid tier
>tfw 9900k is mid tier
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>>71392593
>a ryzen 2700 costs now sub 200 Euros
Goddamn it's so tempting to upgrade my cpu alongside my ram. For some reason ram got cheaper too lately and I have no fucking idea why
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>>71394975
yeah but i want a nice platform to get a decent gcard in the ranks of 2070 next year
dont need a good g card right now considering cyberpunk isnt coming out till next year
you see my problem ?
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What makes Intel CPUs so much better for emulation? Cemu is like a night and day difference when running an Intel chip vs AMD.
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>>71394969
AM4 loses support in 2020, at that point it won't matter
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>>71394893
3600x gets to 4.4 boosted and that's OC'd out of the box (plus better binning), if I chuck a big boy noctua on a 3600 I think I can come close
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>>71394378
8-255
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>>71394977
3700x > 9900k with security patches, so 9900k is actually low tier now.

>>71395002
>For some reason ram got cheaper too lately and I have no fucking idea why
China

>>71395010
You think a 2600 is going to bottleneck a 2070? It won't.
You could wait for the 3600X to get a CPU better than the 9700k that's also cheaper. It's only a month away.

>>71395014
>support through 2020 = losing support in 2020
hmmmmmmmmmmmm who is behind this

>>71395016
That's 2 core boost, not on all 6 cores.
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>>71395012
>Cemu is like a night and day difference
Nice FUD.
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>>71392728
some mb are supporting r3000 out of the box, supposedly they'll be labeled
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>buying zen2 and not waiting for zen3
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>>71395014
>It will really take a major inflection point in the platform technology for us to move off of socket AM4”, says AMD’s David McAfee, adding that it would probably take a major change in how memory or PCI expansion slots work before AMD needs to move to a new socket.
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>>71395021
>lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
1-255
I distinctly see the first square perfectly fine.
I have an HP ZR24w from 2011.

I pity you TN poorfags, I really do.

>>71395070
>buying zen1, then zen2, then zen3
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>>71395048
>That's 2 core boost, not on all 6 cores.
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>>71395048
im not good at this but watched a few comparisons game wise and it show amd cpus arent used much compared to intel when playing, so i kinda want to proof my setup for like next ++years cuz im a boomer and it will probably be the last Pc i buy
that being said i wont buy untill next month anyway so i can w8, but im my shitty country i dont know how the price will be compared to intel, thx for the tip btw
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>>71395107
Why the fuck would I use IPS for my 1337 gayman PC?
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>>71395070
Shit, if Zen 3 is going tall and putting 3-4 threads per core, then we might see an even bigger jump in performance comparing Zen1 to Zen2. According to AMD their Zen2 CPU are quite faster than the Zen1 1800x, think of what these 8 cores could do with DRAM slapped on top of them running 24-32threads.
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/v/ retard here looking to build something in the $1500 price range. thoughts on this or is there anything to improve? for games obviously
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QRmdBb
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>>71395070
>not buying zen 2 then upgrading when zen 6 is released
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>>71395131
NVME SSD
Wait for Ryzen 3000
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what's a good board for ryzen 3000 then? all I want is to be able to OC, and an m.2 slot for ssd would be nice so I can use sata for HDD.
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Is ultrawide still an ultrameme?
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>>71395016
Nigga 3600 will barely do 4.2 all core with liquid cooler if you are lucky
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>>71395048
>China
Is the impact really that strong? I mean look at that pricedrop of 3000 mhz ram
https://geizhals.de/?phist=1474853
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>>71395149
Any x470 board
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>>71395048
>so 9900k is actually low tier now.
I was trying to troll a bit but you really amplified the shilling now son damn

>>71395016
>>71395110
nobody really knows how the boost behaves right now though

>3600
>boost 4.2
>you expect to oc to 4.5 all core
>gets cucked by binning at 4.2
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>>71395126
>not using PLS with it's 1-255 range and high response
Pleb.
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>>71387574
I know this is a really late reply but is there any reason to buy those rubber mounts if I'm using the noctua fan for my radiator fan?
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>>71395131
Would replace SSD with a better one.
The 2080 is a terrible buy, but that's most GPUs above $400.
If you can, then wait for 7/7 even tho it's OK as is. I have a 2700x and can gayme just fine on a 1440p 144Hz monitor.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3fTb7W
Thoughts on which card to pair for this build? I will be running gaymes at 1920x1200, only care about keeping a steady 60FPS in most titles
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>>71395116
intel is not futureproof because your performance decreases every few months from security vulnerabilities. also all the high performing intel chips that would last you a while are expensive housefires. just for reference the higher-tier ryzen 3000s are about as fast as a 9900k, the fastest intel consumer chip.
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>>71395110
Hmm so they changed the boost algo again. That's really interesting.
PBO may be even better than before, then.

>>71395126
So you can see 100% of the game's colors and not only 90-95% of them?

>>71395129
Rumor I heard is that AM4 would still have 2 threads per core. 3 threads per core would be on Threadripper.

>>71395131
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QRmdBb
Unless there are huge incentives on that 2700X, it's not worth $280 with Zen2 around the corner.
The 3600X looks to heavily outperform the 2700X in gaming for $250.
Don't get a Gigabyte card.
Don't pay $700 for a card with only 8GB of VRAM.
Rest is fine.

>>71395153
You mean ultrashort? Yes.

>>71395149
We don't know which 400 series boards will support Zen2 well yet.

>>71395161
Yes. China state started their own memory fab and they cracked down on Korea's price fixing which drove up prices.
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>>71395176
>Samshit
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>>71395207
Jelly mad chink.
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>>71395200
>So you can see 100% of the game's colors and not only 90-95% of them?
Hardly matters when response times are shit
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I have a question.
Will msi x470 gaming pro carbon be alright for 3900x?
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>>71395167
true, boost is strange
>>71395110
this makes me think you can mess with it though by seeing what limits your OC first using stock boost and mitigating it i.e better cooling,more voltage etc and possibly going further than the boost clocks they have on paper
but i'll probably get cucked by binning anyway
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for 1440p 144hz is the only option the 2080?
i don't mind going down to 90-100 frames for something like Witcher 3, but I would like to reach 144 for Path of exile. First time going qhd or >60 hz so I'm not spoiled yet.

I'd like to go red this time around but I'm not completely sold on zen 2, is it acceptable to settle for ryzen 7?
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>>71395220
>my girlfriend is ugly with Down's, but she's very responsive!
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>>71395048
>hmmmmmmmmmmmm who is behind this
Da jooz obviously
>>71395092
Hmm is it so hard actually?
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>>71395199
nice dubs
that being said as i read best thing is to w8 anyways so many thanks for the help my man
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>>71395254
> is it acceptable to settle for ryzen 7?
Even Ryzen 5 isn't going to be your bottleneck at 1440p.
>2080
Terrible performance-per-dollar, but if you insist.

I'm not sure if PoE runs at 144 minimum with any hardware when shit gets hairy, anyway.
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>>71395261
>implying you wouldn't fuck a downie
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>>71395254
Nothing will give 144 static at 1440p with quality settings not set to shit. GPUs haven't advanced much in the past decade.
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>>71395299
alright I'll just snag a 2600x and wait for navi benchmarks. thanks
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>>71395254
>for 1440p 144hz is the only option the 2080?
just depends what you wanna play.

I play 1440p144hz on a GTX 1660Ti.

It's not great for AAA titles from this year or anything, but it's fine for what I play, CSGO and other older titles.
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>>71395293
if you have a working system it's worth waiting until fall when everything is out and reviews are out and launch pricing has settled a bit.

but personally I'm doing another "for many years" build myself coming from a 2500k and rx580. currently planning to get ryzen 3800x and a used 1080ti. that should last at least 3 ish years.
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>>71395254
>90-100 frames for something like Witcher 3
Witcher 3 is old. 1070ti hits 100+ easy at 60% GPU usage.
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>>71395229
Yeah but it likely won't have PCIe 4.0, so if you have the cash for a 3900X you probably also want X570

>>71395199
>your performance decreases every few months from security vulnerabilities
Possibly by 1-2% in gaming, but AMD will also have a lot more vulnerabilities than what have already been discovered. Researchers haven't spent their time picking apart AMD's hardware like they have Intel's. OpSec 101 is understanding that nothing is completely secure
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>>71395131
If you're buying a 2080, you need to have a high res + high refresh monitor
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>>71395369
>Yeah but it likely won't have PCIe 4.0, so if you have the cash for a 3900X you probably also want X570
why do I care about pcie 4? from what I know pcie 3 bandwith is nowhere near the bottleneck and it's just marketing
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25 days remaining
Will be buying myself a 1440p 144hz monitor on monday to tide myself over
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>>71395333
>and wait for navi benchmarks. thanks
Navi isn't going to reach 2080 perf.

But I'd assume that the RX 5700 will overclock to 90% of 2080 perf for much cheaper, just like the 2070 does, as long as you get one with a good cooler for either.

You could wait to see how much better the 3600X is for PoE, too. It might be one of those games which heavily benefits from more cache, I wouldn't be surprised.

>>71395355
Not at 1440p maxed it doesn't. At 1080p, sure.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2fQCNQ
Rate pls, not playing anything intensive
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>>71395354
i just plan to buy "something" right now and pay it in 6 months right as news year come about so i can find a better job, cuz if i dont i just waste money on booze
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>>71395393
>>71395254
>Not at 1440p maxed it doesn't. At 1080p, sure.
Your right sorry
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>>71395396
Get an NVME SSD
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>>71395396
it's ok but you might want to bump the psu power up a bit to give yourself some breathing room, OC the ram if you don't want to spend more on 3200 cl14 and you could always wait till 7/7 to see if zen+ goes on sale but that's up to you
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>>71395369
>people will find more vulns in an architecture designed to be more secure pre-emptively than an architecture which intentionally cut security corners despite over a decade of warnings for small performance gains
You are a colossal faggot.
I don't even have a reaction image to aptly respond to what a colossal faggot you are.

>>71395390
PCIe 4.0 effectively gives you double the lanes.

>>71395396
Get 1TB SU800 for $15 more.
Get a better SSD.
That RX580 is overpriced for a mediocre model.
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>>71395396
>2x4gb
>2019
Please don't do this.
Also your cutting it slim with your PSU. You should bump it up to 550w or atleast get a gold rated.
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>>71395433
Double the lanes are worthless if you don't have or need the hardware to fill them. The only people who are going to benefit are people running multiple NVME drives in a PCIE slot which is mostly video editors
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>>71395433
Which 580 would you recommend? Noted about the SU800.

>>71395454
Swapped to a 2x8gb set. I can get a 550w.
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>>71395525
>Which 580 would you recommend? Noted about the SU800.
Show a list of the models you have avail and their prices/incentives
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Should I wait 3 months to build a PC with the 16 core Zen 2 and Super 2080 Ti?
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>>71395623
Was 9/11 an inside job?
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>>71392593
>7/7/2019
ISO plz.
2019-07-07
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>>71395634
Nice contribution faglord.
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>>71395629
>Was 9/11 an inside job?
Anti-semite!!!
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>>71393790
can you also explain me why hdd is a no no and 3-4 TB is a go go ? explain it to a retard like me
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>>71395589
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare?CompareItemList=N82E16814125962,N82E16814150794,N82E16814137118,N82E16814202278
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>>71395629
No, just two random sandniggers stealing a plane like in GTA
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>>71395664
1tb is a waste of money. You can get a 4tb external for $110. You get more for less by going big and you'll be surprised at how quickly your 1tb will fill up and you'll be forced to start deleting shit.
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Will there be any issues if i pair 2 monitors together with different resolutions and refresh rates? 1 1080 60hz x 1440 144hz?
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>>71395674
Just putting out there that sapphires pulse 580 is the best there is.
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The backlights in my monitor are failing.

I'm about to upgrade my CPU next month and then I will have a Ryzen 3600 with a GTX 1060 6GB.

Do you think I should replace my monitor with a 1080p 60hz (what I currently have), or go for 1080p 144hz for the extra frames that I will get in some games?

I know not every game will reach 144 fps but do you think enough would that it would be worth it?
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>>71395433
Don't misquote me, faggot. Ryzen has ALREADY had a lot of security vulnerabilities related to branch prediction and more will be uncovered as more scrutiny is applied. Fucking marketeering bitch
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>>71395721
depends what you're doing.

I know with Nvidia if you mis-match your refresh rates, then you wont be able to watch 60hz content while gaming at the same time. You get stutter.

Not sure about AMD GPUs.
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>>71395732
144hz+ anything a 1080p 144hz tn is like 200 bucks cmon
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>>71395732
144hz with freesync
My monitor 1080p/60 monitor died months ago and instead of spending ~$50 extra bucks to get a 144hz I just got another 60hz monitor and have regret it ever since
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>>71395742
>a lot
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>>71395721
>Will there be any issues if i pair 2 monitors together with different resolutions and refresh rates? 1 1080 60hz x 1440 144hz?
None at all. Unless your trying to game on both(like some ultrawide nonsense)
>1080p 144hz for the extra frames that I will get in some games?
1060 6gb won't get you 144fps m8.
That aside you can buy backlight spares and replace them. I bought backlights to replace my 42" TV for $50 so it should be cheaper for a monitor.
Just make sure it's the backlights at fault.
Also backlights only fail because people put up the brightness. So in future don't push your brightness too high. I keep it at under 70%
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new thread

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>>71395770
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>>71395762
thank you based amd
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one of my ram modules is causing bsods, but theyre much more rare when running it underclocked/volted

what are the risks of keeping in my single faulty ram stick instead of just buying new ram
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>>71395788
If it's causing BSODs at stock you can be damn sure it's throwing tons of errors and corrupting the fuck out of any file saved to disk. Underclocking won't help. Replace asap.
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>>71395721
possibly dropping the hz down to the low res monitor when running moving content on the other monitor due to problems with DWM.exe(Desktop Window Manager) on windows 10

the resident amd shill here will tell you not to worry and it's only a problem with nvida cards.
conflicting reports tell otherwise. i'd be wary if im running multimonitor and either run same hz ones or ones that can halve hz directly like 60/120hz or 72/144. but mostly just two same hz monitors

tldr dont run multi monitors tbqh
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>>71395710
thanks guys for the advices, here's your complementary prize, godspeed maggots
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>>71395664
Basically the most cost effective right now is the 3-4 TB range. If you want a 1 TB you can get, but games are 40+ GB nowadays.
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>>71396067
>40+ GB nowadays.
And that's minimum!!!
Fuckers are hitting 100gbs
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What case around €150 for overclocked Ryzen 3600 + GTX1080Ti?

It needs to be sound dampened and have at least 360mm rad up front or on the bottom.
I've been looking at the Phanteks P600S mostly.
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>>71396167
YouTube will help you make an informed choice. Just see the top budgets cases or whatever were they'll do an overview of a few cases. When one catches your eye look up a review to see if it ticks all your boxes.
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>>71393894
>3rd parties
>trustworthy
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>>71394127
>You can get 2070s cheaper.
cheapest are 480 retard



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