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Epic Edition
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First for artisans are cancer.
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mechanical keyboards is the most s o y """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""hobby"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" you can have
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Lads should i fall for the model m meme? Do i buy one for 75 burgerbucks in ok condition
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>>71380762
>ok condition
has he replaced the old ritbbets?
check a restoration tutorial, those keyboards have their thingis
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>>71380662
fpbp
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which cherry/zeal/other clone most closely resembles orange alps?
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are cherry browns good for vidya mainly for csgo? tried both gateron and outemu browns extensively and the former is really great, the latter is utter garbage
or should I just stick with reds?
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>>71380762
>spending more than $20 on a membrane keyboard
I hope you don't actually do that.
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>>71381517
/mkg/ will tell you cherry browns are too mainstream and therefore bad but they're actually decent switches, not too heavy, yet tacticle
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>>71381374
it still has the original keycaps so probably not. pic related is the KB.
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>>71381556
haha no. Gateron browns are ok. Cherry Browns are scratchy with barely a bump. They feel like linears at times.
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>>71380662
This. I would like to add that any keyboard over $150 is a complete waste. Just start wiping your ass with your money at that point. Even nice retro ALPS boards aren't more than $100 most times.
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>>71380662
/thread
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>>71380662
why are they so fucking expensive?
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>>71381631
Nah some are worth it.
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>>71381666
Cause "handmade" and shit. Honestly it is a bunch of rich kids buying them cause they don't actually work and use their keyboards.
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>>71381709
>no playback buttons
>no volume wheel
>half inch 8 pixel lcd screen
w h y
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>>71381666
>>71381723
It's the modern day snowflake culture. These keys are mass produced in China like all these hyper expensive "custom" keyboards. The people that buy this shit aren't rich.
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>>71381739
>Giant fucking knob
>nO VoLuMe WhEeL
.....
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>>71381766
oh, it looked like some gay decal from that previous image. Still though, why a volume wheel but no playback buttons? And is that owl keycap a custom one or did it come with the keyboard?
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>>71381739
there is clearly a wheel on that brainlet
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>>71381799
You can configure playback buttons with QMK. Also the plan was to make the knob a multipurpose setting function so you can use it for volume, switching functions of keys, etc.

And no... it is a custom. The owl doesn't come with anything and it is just a prototype render.
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>>71381749
no the massproduced ones sell for like 10 bucks, the ones in the OP sell for 30, it's the money launderers that "sell" them for $100+
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>>71381577
that's a franken keyboard, its missing a keycap and others have been replaced.
Honestly i would go for a perfect keyboard rather than trying to be cheap
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>>71381943
Those are mass produced...
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>>71381709
How much was this thing again?
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>>71382188
Clack Factory isn't tho, and he sells them for 30 bucks. The insane prices were just a money laundering scheme
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>>71382188
click clack is hand made, even if it does look like it's mass produced. he used to stream his builds and it would take him about an hour to make. the chinks do make mass produced clones of his keycaps. i've never seen him sell a keycap of his for more than 40 bucks. looking at the prices the scalpers are charging doesn't mean he sells them close to that amount. most artisans rarely sell for 40 bucks.
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>>71382214
>Clack Factory isn't tho,
They are literally mass produced... At best you may have some chinks pouring some resin in a mold. So instead of the millions from injection molding you get 10,000s. Nobody is making custom keycaps except for a handful of artists working for commission and these keys aren't cool.
>>71382243
>click clack is hand made
You snowflakes have a very weird definition of what constitutes handmade.
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>>71382298
The base is mass produced, but the actual design is hand sculpted.
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>>71382510
>hand sculpted.
Into a mold.
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>>71382698
its even simpler, the fact that its hand made doesn't add up value rather is the fact that its a low production run because of the limitations humans have.

If Rolex brags about handmade has no value because they can produce what ever their target its. Its just a marketing thing.
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>>71382874
How is 10,000s low production?

Rolex has different tiers and they are sold out non stop with the higher quality models. They can't keep up with demand. Just getting high quality materials like non chinkshit sapphire glass is difficult in that market. Retards like you thing the iphone watch is what Rolex should be compared too.

I can't think of many companies/markets with such a blatantly false handmade claim like Clack keys.
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>>71382921
>10,000s
Clack Factory has never made anywhere close to that for any design. His claims aren't wrong though since the design is indeed handmade.
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>>71379753
>Spend $300 on Truly Ergonomic keyboard
>wrist pain goes away

feels good man
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why didn't anyone tell me that blacks feel like rubber domes and just all around suck to type on. I bought silent blacks for my GMMK since I needed something quiet (have a roommate now) and wanted to try something new from my blues, and black is my favorite color so I thought it would be cool.
Shit feels like trash and typing on it is unironically too tiring after using it for a couple of hours.
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>>71382961
Wow you really do think these keys are something special? You poor snowflake.
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>>71383619
Wow those are so fucking ugly
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>>71383615
Should've got yellows
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>>71383615
>linears feel like rubber domes
They feel nothing alike, I honestly don't get this meme.
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>>71383670
Probably talking about the mush on bottom-out because he got silents
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I essentially want a filco TKL but with blue backlight

Pls suggest
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>>71383700
Ducky or maybe CM
Also apparently Durgod is made in the same factory as Ducky so they should be good too
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>>71382243
>>71382298
>>71382698
>>71382874
>>71382921

If it's mass produced explain how his early (pre mech keyb consumer explosion) runs were as many factory seconds as factory firsts and had unique fxe stamps in the cap
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whats the absolute best keyboard for under 60$ ?
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>>71383723
I could care less about the history of his work. Making batches of 100+ just for one color variant of a key is mass produced.
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>>71383803
>could care
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>>71383803

There are runs he made where production was only possibly 30 factory first caps, even 100 is not mass produced. It was originally just art. You say you *cough* "could" care less for the history, yet that's the appeal itself.
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>>71380706
hacks obsess over gear because they can't cut it where it counts
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Is Ducky good or bad? I see that they're surprisingly popular.
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>>71383619
subjectively yes
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>>71383954
They're decent prebuilts.
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>>71383878
>>71383880
Any other market they say the original sculpt is handmade. You're buying a casting. But like I said he's got the special snowflake market nailed and special snowflakes are mighty ignorant about how to actually make things. Absentee fathers and all. The custom casting market is the closest thing and you're talking about castings that at max are 15 items. Often times unfinished and left in bronze to make it easy for the end user to finish treating it how they want. Or you can compare it to the custom scale model/garage kit market. Lot less snobby bullshit in that and far higher detail along with skill of the work too.
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>>71383970
What would you say is the best prebuilt?
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>>71384058
Leopold
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>>71384058
ducky
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whats the difference between kaihl box naive vs jade?

I watched videos but people dont really detail the force difference between the two. I really like the sound and the reviews, just trying to figure out which one is best to go with. I'm currently using some blue switches.
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>>71384058
Leopold, but Ducky is still a solid 8/10
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>>71384058
One of those aluminum case hotswap boards, especially if it supports QMK.
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>>71384305
About 20g of spring force. Due to the lighter spring it's easier to bottom out with jades so I prefer the navies. Navies are heavy switches though. Both box pinks and noble yellows are somewhere between navy/jade and white/pale blue. Haven't tried those two though so I can't really say which is the closer to the middle.
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>>71384058
varmilo (they have good sounding stabs)
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>>71384305
>whats the difference between kaihl box naive vs jade?

http://novelkeys.xyz/products/novelkeys-x-kailh-box-thick-clicks
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will white keycaps turn gross and yellow after you use them for a few years?
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>>71385629
depends on the type of plastic they're made out of. PBT wont ABS will
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I'm buying a new keyboard.
I currently use Cherry MX Brown switches, I'm wondering if it's worth switching to Cherry MX Speed switches or if I should just stick with the Brown ones.
Please help I can't decide.
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>>71385975
Live a little, try something new.
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>>71385986
Alright I will, thanks for the help anon.
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I've been eyeing this used "like-new" $76 Filco for a few days now, but also want to buy a brand new Ducky One 2 Skyline for 93 USD
I can't fucking decide which one is the better buy, maybe you guys can help me?
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>>71386037
Get the Ducky since it comes with doubleshot PBT and hardware level programmable media keys and macros as stock. The Filco uses pad printed ABS, so you need to spend an extra $20 for usable keycaps, plus another 15 for a replacement controller in order to get similar functionality to a Ducky.
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>>71386182
Thanks, guess I'll buy the ducky then.
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How the hell do I clean this shitty keyboards?
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How do you guys feel about this keyboard? https://drop.com/buy/drop-mito-laser-alt-high-profile Pic related.
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>>71386482
A brush and compressed air nigga.
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>>71386496
ugly and lgbt
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>>71386496
I like the purple case and the layout, not a fan of everything else.
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>>71384058

Filco
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>>71384058
Varmilos are nice, but I recommend you to avoid prebuilts. The best thing they can do is to lube the stabilizers. No clipping, no band-aid, nothing like that. And no lubed switches. Literally, anyone can build a keyboard nowadays, why do you need a prebuilt?
>>71384163
Stabs are rattling as fuck
>>71384166
ugly caps, shitty cases
>>71384320
This
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>>71381709
>no Home
>no End
This is an incomplete keyboard.
Why would anyone buy this? They obfuscate the fact in the description so that somebody will buy this without looking at a high-res photo?
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I've got a version 1 Corsair k70 with red switches and it's alright to game on but I can't fucking type on it as my work laptops got a chicket board and I spend 80% of my time on that. Are there any smaller mech keyboards that don't have massive throw on the keys and that I'd like better?
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cm mk730 or ducky one 2? I can't decide.
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Just got a G413, every single rewiew i read post buying says it's shit, but i really like it. Are romer G underrated or the rewiewers just ultra base towards them?
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I'm considering a tkl gmmk as a first mechanical keyboard. Where the fuck do you buy cheapish not cancer black keycaps? the gmmk ones have an ugly stencil font.
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>>71386496
don't fall for the meme. if you really like it and can afford it, go for it but that's way too much money for a keyboard that doesn't really give you anything special.
I've gone through that phase of buying the expensive stuff and I regret it. if you want to spend on keyboards, look into ergo options and special switches.
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>>71383029
my entire setup cost less than $300
u got scammed frog poster
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>>71381709
why would anyone care for a page up and page down button over literally any of the other keys missing on that board xd
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>>71390961
>>71389913

you can change it what you want... You can reconfigure any key or function you want since it is QMK compatible.
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>>71390010
ducky one 2 because floating keys are cancer.

>>71390174
Nah romer-g are hot garbage

>>71389992
Light Linears are shit to type on. I typed in shit by just resting my keys on my keyboard time to time.
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>>71390523
Would this one be better? It's priced at $230 includes keycaps and switches. Aluminum material and QMK
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>>71379753
is this the Mechanical Keyboard General?
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>>71392358
Yes.
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>>71384058
Razor huntsman with purple is best. No dust works with lasers, nice clicks,nice feedback, you can turn the lights off.

The rest is shill bs.
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>>71392863
Razer just rebrands Bloody's optical switches and adds a "because Razer" markup.
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>>71392182
Forgot link currently out of stock but I can wait.
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is this a bad time to buy a hhkb pro2? When do the next hhkb pro 2s come out?
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>>71390905
wut kb ?
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>>71394964
It's a dactyl manuform.
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>>71391637
But why are they hot garbage?
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On the definition of mechanical:
If I were to populate a PCB with momentary switches and program that to behave as a keyboard would, what have I created? Is this keyboard mechanical? It has discrete switches, though lacking travel. Discuss.
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>>71396585
Scratchy with barely a bump. I honestly thought they were linears at first. Unique keycaps so options are very limited. I don't know if it is present now, but when I tested my friends and it was extremely inconsistent on where the bump was.
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>>71396662
Technically yes. Travel is not really what defines a mechanical keyboard.
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>>71396662
The definition for "mechanical" when it comes to keyboards is kind of nebulous. It's more useful to just specify the type of switch to be honest.
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>>71396662
Switch is made out of a metal dome that collapses onto a contact when pressed, its essentially a really fucking clicky dome keyboard
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Hi everyone, I just got my first kit. It's an OLKB Planck. I'm assuming I want plate mounted switches, but I've seen people saying both plate and pcb mount.
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>>71398081
Always PCB mount, even if you have a plate
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>>71398107
Why is that?
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>>71398188
So you can put your switches in straight
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>>71398081
If your PCB has holes for the PCB mount pins, then it doesn't matter which type you go with. PCB mount switches have those pins for boards without a plate so it'll be correctly aligned. That doesn't matter for boards with a plate though since the plate will orient the switches correctly.
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>>71398343
There are plenty of builds with plates that have crooked switches
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>>71398386
You sure that's the switches being crooked and not the keycaps? Or the normal wobble of the stem?
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>>71398392
GMK is never crooked, and unless you're using some horseshit switches they're never going to wobble like that
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>>71398406
Going to add that BOX switches are doubly shit since they lack PCB alignment pins and they got twisted stems, along with everything else that makes them bad
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>>71398386
that's just a shit switch. having an extra two pins doesn't help. Zealios are all PCB mount, yet they're never straight.
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>>71386496
I'm coping. But purple is my favorite color and 65 is my favorite layout. Not getting the caps tho. Might go switchless or get the box whites.
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How is the model M rollover when playing games? Should I just get an F or that dudes reproduction mini Fs? Also what paint scheme do you guys like? Any modifications?
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I currently have a Ducky Shine 3, I love the keyboard, but recently a friend of mine has gotten into building a keyboard. I don't want to do thay, but it has triggered my curiosity a bit. What keyboard brands are the best?
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>>71398939
what games do you play?
I never had a problem with rollover
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>>71399020
FPSs, real time strategies like supcom roleplaying games etc.
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>>71398939
I've run into a couple key rollover problems in games like sleeping dogs, warframe and assassin's creed. It was annoying, but I just had to train myself to not press more than two buttons on the same matrix. Since buckling springs are my favorite switch I just ending up getting a full size model F. There are conversions you can make to get nkro on your model M, but that requires you to sacrifice a model F.
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how come a lot of these chink gaymen keyboards only have blue switches?
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>>71399299
because cherry marketed blue switches in china as the official gaymer switch and a lot of chinese e-sport players used cherry blues. cherry made a bunch of special edition gayming keyboards with blues so you can support your favorite player and the chinks cloned those keyboards.
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>>71399299
They're nice and fun to type on.
Only retards actually prefer reds to blues after having tried both.
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>>71382298
>handful of artists working for commission and these keys aren't cool

Some of the resin casts are pretty good. Like the DOTA logo and various symbols.

Or the machined metal keycaps.
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How are Topres? I've been interested in them for a while, and might bite the bullet here soon. I use black switches right now.
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>>71399313
>WKL
disgusting
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Thoughts on pudding keycaps?

Also, where can I find a nice PBT spacebar in 6.5u?
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>>71399759
>standard
disgusting
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>>71397872
>>71397840
what keyboard?
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>>71399802
Quantrik Kyuu and Hachi
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>>71399823
hotswappable? i'll start researching, thanks
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Why the fuck are 6.5u spacebars always textured?
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>>71399168
Is the Alice even nice to type on? I feel like it'd be way worse than split
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>>71400367
Everyone I've talked to who owns an Alice and has also owned a split at some point says it's spectacular. There's a reason why everyone and their mom is making Alice clones right now.
>aesthetically pleasing high profile case
>quality anodizing
>top mounted brass plate
>layout compatible with most good keysets
>easy to adapt to from regular layout
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can you put 2 o-rings if gateron's actuation point is higher than cherry's
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What's the most cost efficient 75% keyboard out there?
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>>71401339
vortex race war
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>>71398939
>that dudes reproduction mini Fs
Source about that pls
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>>71401635
https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/
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>>71389055
I seriously doubt you can have a decent build for under 100$
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bump I want recs for full size brown switch ~$50
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This is going to be a weird question, but how do I tell if I'm a better typist with heavier resistance switches or lighter switches?
Only reason I ask is because I had originally thought that I would type better with heavier keys, but I'm typing on mx browns right now and am pretty quick with them. I tried blacks for a bit, got used to it, and liked it as well. However I'm just not sure what would be best for touch typing. Heavier touch, or lighter touch? I tend to want to bottom out when I type.

Any suggestions are welcome, thanks.
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Why are Zeal switches smoother than other switches?
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>>71401962
Why do people post guns with mech keyboards

What does one thing have to do with the other? Seriously, it's just cringe
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>>71404697
Polycarbonate housings and factory-applied lube. Aliaz switches are equally smooth, Gateron inks are almost as smooth with no factory lube, and Novelkeys creams are even smoother with no lube because of their POM housings.
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This just arrived....
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>>71404744
Thanks for the info.
I'm trying to decide between Healio, Silent Ink, and Cream.
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>>71404925
Silent inks if you want dampeners, creams if you don't need the extra quietness. POM housings also make them sound nicer.
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>>71404409
You could build a 60% comfortably for $100 with a plastic case and a PCB from taobao, although that doesn't take soldering iron and lube into account
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>>71379753
What happened to the pasta?
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>>71404796
Why would you EVER do this? Cherry ML are known to be horrible and they bind like crazy.
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Is there a master list of switches out there?
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>>71405244
It got stale, just like the Asian lady
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>>71406214
There's a new switch every week so the list was deleted.
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>>71406310
Is it really that fast?
What are the current popular switches then?
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>>71406334
no he is fucking with you. There hasn't been a good switch noteworthy since the box navies, box jades.
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Jesus Christ. 350?
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>>71406801
aaaaa fuck I think I'll just start with cherry or gateron.
Man full size keyboards are kinda few compared to other sizes.
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>>71406809
For that money, why not get this?
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>>71406836
Because that's obviously an inferior keyboard?

>>71406809
They're cheaper on mechmarket. But you could always get an Iris (pic related), I only had to pay $80 for mine.
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>>71406836
This is cool. Source?
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>>71406964
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=591490738382
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>>71406809
so make your own bud! it's not hard
>>71406836
that looks pretty cool, now do it with these: https://www.nizkeyboard.com/product/2019-new-niz-ec-switch/ and make it 3d
the future is here
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Leopold for prebuilt, right?
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>>71406809
They're hand wired, you're mostly paying for the labor involved in making it. I could build you a manuform for less though :^)
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>>71408397
is that a arduino pro micro
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>>71408532
Yes.
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>>71406801
>box switches
>good
Just buy Gateron linears and learn how to lube, clicky switches are for autismos
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I have been using my HHKB over the past year and never truly got fulfilled by it, thinking of getting a Filco with brown switches any advice?
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>>71381709
i want that owl key. where get
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>>71408314
Yes if you know what switch you want, otherwise get a hotswap keyboard like a GMMK. The build quality isn't as good as leopold, but you can easily replace the switches without the need to buy a new keyboard
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>>71409215
somewhere on either reddit or geekhack. those are the only two places that care about artisans
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>>71409206
Buy BKE domes and/or lube and a hasu controller
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Magicforce seems pretty good for the price.
Anyone used one?
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Do they make textured pbt keycaps for gamers like this? Doesn't have to be in this pattern.
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>>71410219
yes
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/gaymer/32863199203.html
scroll down to see other similar products, there's much cheaper shit out there, depends on what you want
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>>71410294
aren't these like rubber over abs?
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>>71379753
If I'm getting an ALPS keyboard, what are my options for putting cherry or whatever else keycaps on some switches? Is the best option just soldering another switch in place of the ALPS one, or are there adapters that won't make the key rise an inch off the board and look like shit?

Have a picture of my dome on slider btw
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>>71404720
>mechanical keyboards
>mechanical guns
Gee I have no idea.
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>>71410702
You either need alps mount keycaps, or get those nexus sliders. I don't know if they've fix the stem thickness issue yet though.
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Quick question, is there anything wrong with the ordinary MK prebuilts that mech keyboard sells? LIke the MK Typist? They seem a lot cheaper than the alternatives.
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>>71410702
Alps pin out is different from cherry so you're stuck with either alps or matias switches. alps switches can be opened up without desoldering them unlike cherry so you can replace the stems
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>>71410771
They're fine really.
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>>71410750
Alps mount keycaps are difficult to find, right? Usually I expect the OP to have some kind of buying guide, but I don't see one here.

I really just want an ALPS to Lego 4x4 adapter for the power key, but if I have more purchasing options for sets of ALPs keycaps, I wouldn't mind browsing around.
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>>71410771
well you're stuck with the switches it comes with so if you don't like them you'd have to return it or buy a new one. or you can get a hot swap keyboard
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>>71410819
That was another question I was gonna ask, how difficult that process is. If it's simple then I might just buy a set of those nexus slider things. Thanks for the info!
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>>71410837
Yea there's not much choice with alps keycaps. There's tai-hao ABS sets, matias, scrounging from vintage boards and not much else.
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>>71410842
I've been looking at the GMMK, is there a catch to a hot swap keyboard?
Also why is it so expensive on amazon but only 60 bucks on their site?
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>>71410837
Tai-hao, Matias and SP make some ALPS keycaps, but they only come in standard layouts
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>>71410863
Thanks for a little list, very helpful. Cheers!
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>>71410857
Keep in mind if you do get the nexus sliders you may have to shave down the x-axis of the stems.
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>>71410869
>is there a catch
it looks ugly and the RGB is kinda gay
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>>71410891
Ah, I see. I was worried about the look, but I'm not entirely sure what switch I want to go with. Mx Blacks are typically my goto, but I thought maybe I would type better with browns.
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>>71410919
there are other hotsawp keyboards
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HEXGEARS-GK705-Hot-Swappable-Mechanical-Keyboard-104-Keys-Kailh-Box-Switch-Gamer-Keyboard-for-Computer-Clavier/32952663095.html
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>>71410919
>>71410891
Also they apparently rattle pretty badly, so that's a no-go from me.

How is the Tab 90M? It caught my eye earlier but I'm not sure how I feel about compact keyboards.
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>>71410968
I might give that a try, thanks.
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>>71410969
Well Vortex keyboards have great build quality, as for the layout I have no idea. My laptop has a similar layout and I don't mind it.
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>>71410869
it's 60 without switches and keycaps
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>>71380706
/kbg/ have cute socks, be nice
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Are mx clears quieter than blacks since they don't bottom out normally?
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>>71411318
not really since you still hit the top housing in the upstroke.
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>>71411318
The acoustics between the switches are the same. Just bottoming out less would be the only reason it'd be "quieter".
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Light or heavy switches for ergonomics and finger pain (not wrist) relief?
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MX Black resistance with a tactile feel, what should I go with?
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>>71411364
ideally you'd want a light switch with plenty of travel. here are some studies that back this claim as there is a lot of snake oil when it comes to ergonomics.
Abstract:
The first pilot study found that peak force exerted decreased 24% and key-tapping rate increased 2% when over travel was distended from 0.0 to 3.0 mm. These results indicate that a key switch mechanism that provide adequate over travel might enable operators to exert less force during repetitive key tapping without inhibiting performance. The second pilot studies investigated the short-term effects of key over travel and make force on discomfort and localized muscle fatigue. Fatigue occurred in all cases. There were no changes in subjective discomfort when over travel was increased. Increasing key over travel did not reduce localized fatigue but reducing force did result in a small but statistically significant reduction in fatigue. Therefore, an optimum design to reduce fatigue must consider both key force and key over travel
Sources:
Radwin, R. G., and One-Jang Jeng, Activation Force and Travel Effects on Overexertion in Repetitive Key Tapping, Human Factors, 1997, 39(1), 130-140.
Radwin, R. G., and Ruffalo, B. A., Computer Key Switch Force-Displacement Characteristics and Short-term Effects on Localized Fatigue, Ergonomics, 1999, Vol. 42, No 1, 160-170
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dunno where else to go with this

can anyone here recommend some split keyboard models? don't care if it's mechanical or not

last job had them, i thought there weren't a big deal but new job doesn't have them, now my left wrist flares up multiple times a day and i'm constantly trying to adjust my keyboard to a comfortable position that doesn't exist
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>>71411457
Dactyl (-manuform), ergodox, iris, redox, etc. There are lots of split boards out there. Personally I find the dactyl manuform more comfortable to type on than flat boards like an ergodox.
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>>71392963
Big of true. Tbh, I have owned about 10 razor products and 9/10 of them (literally not exaggerating) have broken because cheap Chinese plastic.

Keyboards are durable and great, but if they’re manufactured and designed by someone else that makes sense.

Purple or whatever else they’re called optical switches are great, but blue might be my favorite still
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>>71411512
It's no secret. Razer's OEM is iOne and they use Greetech/Kaihua for their green/orange and Bloody for their purple switches. Razer's is just a lifestyle company.
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>>71411512
Here, Bloody's LK Libra optical switch. Look familiar?
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>>71411452
Thanks anon.
Fatigue is mentioned a lot there - but is fatigue on the level of those tiny movements that occur during typing necessarily correlated to injury?
My initial thought was that the concept of strength training improving resistance to injury might translate to fingers too.
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should I get the rama U-80?
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>>71411674
If you're made of money maybe
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>>71410869
I have a GMMK. The catch isn't with "hot swap", the catch is it's cheap keyboard with a hollow plastic feel to it. Acoustically, it is hollow sounding with many *pings* as you type. Also, this is personal preference, but I think floating key keyboards look dumb. I mostly got it to test switches and not as a daily driver.
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>>71397546
Didn't Chemist san did a video on the topic?
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>>71411739
but, is it good? should I be worried of something about it?
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>>71411784
Yep.

https://youtu.be/H66XwhzhdnA
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>>71411802
It's just overpriced to hell and back.
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>>71411674
Yeah, if you like TKL. I'm in for one Milk U80-A and a set of Heavy Industry keycaps. Pretty excited to get it.
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>>71411862
I'm gonna get the moon and put gmk space cadets, or oblivion
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>>71411775
I see, thanks. I'll keep looking.
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>>71411674
If you're in the market for a high-end tkl sure. $420 is a very good price for the features it offers.
>gasket mount
>seamless construction
>PVD coated brass plate and weight
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>>71380706
I gotta agree. I like the ergonomics of mechs, but the community is cancer.
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>>71411644
>but is fatigue on the level of those tiny movements that occur during typing necessarily correlated to injury?
Maybe, some studies say it can lead to ligamentous hypermobility (loose joints), but peer reviews say they haven't established a causal relationship between distinct medical entities and work activities. I doubt that it does tho since the only physical therapy for finger joints I've seen if for arthritis and not keyboard use.
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>>71411862
the question is, do you just have this much money laying around that you can throw away on a keyboard case or are you living in a cardboard box on the street cus of your expensive tastes?
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>>71411942
>$420
honestly for that much I'd just get a reproduction model F
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>>71412186
Imagine being poor
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>>71411942
Thought about getting a TKL, do you have any tips on a mid range cost keyboard? 420 seems quite overkill.
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>>71412217
If you want mid range check out Ducky. They have a couple options for around 80-90.
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>>71412186
I really don't mind spending a lot if it's for something I will use every day. Especially a keyboard since I will be using it constantly.
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>>71412217
KBDfans 8x
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>>71412122
https://files.catbox.moe/uyjdvc.pdf
This study claims that insufficient support of the extensor muscles due to low activation force of switches leads to over-use syndrome.
So the conclusion is medium-heavy switches?
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>>71412257
Looks nice except for the fucking gems on it. Like why would they put cheap plastic gems on it and down grade it.
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>>71412304
Well you missed out on the good version. Better hope it comes back sometime in the future
https://kbdfans.cn/blogs/interest-checks/kbdfans-x-ai03-kbd8x-mkii-mechanical-keyboard-kit
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>>71412304
If you want something similar in size to a TKL but with those nifty hidden indicator lights, check out the KBD19X.
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>>71412334
This is like 10 times better. I really got turbo cucked wow
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>>71412370
There's always aftermarket/extras
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>>71412473
What are you suggesting, looking for them 2nd hand? Feels like that would be hard to find.
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>>71412522
It's not like there's only 50 of them, they likely got in a few hundred orders and there's bound to be someone who decides they don't want theirs. Also, there's always make extras in case there's defect units they have to replace, and these extras typically go up for sale after everything has shipped.
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>>71412293
I should've said the study I mention used weights as high as ~3N, so when they say light switches they mean a bit under 1N. Also bottoming out is bad for you so a switch with enough travel to prevent that would be good.
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I have a pok3r, pic related, at the last few weeks sometimes backspace wont work for the first 1 or 2 presses. If you keep pressing it it will work, and sometimes the issue doesnt happen for a few minutes but eventually when you press backspace nothing will happen and you will have to press it once or twice more. Any idea what i can do to fix this? I tried uninstalling the 3 'HID Keyboard Devices' that show up when the keyboard is plugged in, then unplugging the keyboard and plugging it back in but that has had no impact. It also only seems to be backspace, i havent noticed the issue with other keys.
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What's a good tkl for $50~80 price range?
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>>71412625
Try replacing the actual switch for the backspace key?
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>>71412672
no, i dont just have switches and i dont want to order one unless i have to. This keyboard is only a couple of months old too, if switches are already dying i dont even really want to bother to be honest
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>>71412683
m8 the whole point of having discrete switches is that you can just swap out one switch if it's bad instead of replacing the entire board.
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>>71412683
then RMA it, sounds like you're unlucky and got a defective switch. Even cherry makes mistakes.
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>>71412784
okay well a $150 keyboard should not be having switch problems a few months in...I have owned other keyboards in the past and have not had any issues like this, at least that werent solved with a software update or something similar.
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>>71411494
thanks, will investigate

none like your pic right? I'm not cool enough for that shit yet
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>>71412806
Then send cherry an angry email, maybe they'll give you some free swag and you can post about it on reddit.
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What if I just want browns but I want browns that don't feel like cheap ass? Maybe some with a stronger touch to them?
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>>71412898
i dont even see a contact email.
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>>71412918
clears
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>>71411494
>>71412892
> literally the first one

okay, redpill me on this shit. where can i test one? how long did it take to adjust?
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>>71412924
To whom? The site you bought the keyboard from? The brand that sold you the keyboard? Or the company that made the switches?
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>>71412952
well the guy said cherry so i assume them. I dont really think its a physical issue, otherwise it would be present more often. Not sure why i thought this place would actually be helpful
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>>71412948
If you're already used to split boards then you probably won't need much time to adjust. When I first got an ergodox years ago what took the most time getting used to was the zxcv keys being directly down rather than offset by 0.5u. Took me between 1-2 weeks to get back to my regular typing speed. Switching from an ergodox to a dactyl manuform took a day or two of getting used to. Dactyl manuforms are pretty much DIY only (unless you commission someone to build you one), so not sure where you'd test one out other than a rebbit meetup where someone has one. The kinesis advantage does have curved columns so that board would give you a decent idea for how it is.
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>>71412975
Well the keyboard is made by Vortex and they manage the warranty so if it's a firmware issue (which I doubt it) then send them an email.
vortexgear (dot) tw/vortex5 (dot) asp
Most likely it's a faulty switch which Vortex should replace even though it was Cherry who made the switch. If you don't wanna do that then get another switch from cherry.
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Redpill me on buying T1 switches on Alibaba
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>>71413046
this shit is bonkers m8

I always imagined convex would be more comfortable than concave for a design of this sort. Do your fingers not feel cramped up? Is it more about reducing the distance your fingers have to travel? I feel like seating position and desk height will be a lot more important with one of these too.

The keyboard at my old place was like a Kinesis Freestyle model, basically a plain flat board cut in half with detachable, adjustable legs, wrist rests, and a separate 10-key. I feel like these would require a significant adjustment, especially with the thumb areas. The diy element and the kino designs are really appealing though.
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>>71381739
>>71381799
>needing play back buttons

why are gen z fags too retarded to remember a few shortcuts?
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those kailh box switches don't break your keycaps anymore right? if i buy the pre retooled version of the switches, can i fix them somehow?
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>>71413291
It would be much more effort than it's worth when you could just buy a good switch from the start
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>>71386182
they don't make the filco controller no more.
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>>71412607
>Also bottoming out is bad for you
y dis?

>>71413257
the colors in these are giving me crazy nostalgia. i remember being in some community center when i was really young and there were these really weird legos. they were bigger than regular ones but not as big as kid-sized, they had more-interesting shapes, and they were all industrial colors like the brown, orange, yellow and grey in this pic. they were really durable and they snapped together tightly enough to play with whatever you made without being delicate.

>>71413290
i'm with you but when i have to constantly switch between 5-6 separate programs at work all with their own *genius* hotkey designs i start really wishing i had at least a dedicated play/pause toggle and some form of volume control


hey, was in one of these threads years ago and some folks were touting this specific old-ass make of super durable full-size mkb's that were all very industrial, pretty much exclusively found secondhand on eBay for ~$80. anyone know what i'm talking about?
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>>71413447
why would you fuck with the space bar.
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>>71412607
Do you use heavy switches yourself?
I find that I'm often bottoming out with black, do you think I should go heavier? Or are tactile switches superior in terms of ergonomics after all?
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>>71413257
>Do your fingers not feel cramped up?
Not at all. Convex columns would not be comfortable. You'd just be increasing how much you have to stretch your fingers to go between rows.
>Is it more about reducing the distance your fingers have to travel?
Pretty much. Concave curved columns fit more in line with how your fingers actually bend.
>I feel like seating position and desk height will be a lot more important with one of these too.
It applies just the same as with any board really. I keep my elbows at a 90 degree angle, wrists floating while typing, etc.

The thumb clusters are nice because you're not moving your thumb sideways to hit the key. That and you can actually make more use out of your thumbs than just the spacebar.
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>>71413451
>spacebar
>global

pick one

i mean unless you think alt+tab > tab > tab > space > alt+tab is an acceptable "shortcut"
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>>71413447
Just don't type like a gorilla.
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>>71413447
>y dis?
Hammering down is bad. Cushion your fingers with a spring, don't slam it down by bottoming out and jolting all the joints.
I have no studies to back this up so consider this my own opinion extrapolated from what I consider common sense.
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>>71413542
this shit is mind-blowing to me

i know some locals i can access a 3-d printer through and i guess we have a soldering iron lying around, but this shit is gonna take so long. i gotta try one before i invest that much into it. i guess i'm looking for meetups :/

>>71413558
this makes way more sense

>>71413579
the distinction to be made for me was "bottoming out" vs "slamming your fingers through the keyboard like you're trying to hurt the desk"
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>>71413625
>the distinction to be made for me was "bottoming out" vs "slamming your fingers through the keyboard like you're trying to hurt the desk"
If you're bottoming out at all you're exerting sudden force, unless you've somehow developed the technique of pressing down for exactly the travel distance of the switch and no further to gently touch down at the bottom without exerting force past that point. And it's not the same as just tapping your fingers anywhere, since if you type a lot you're gonna be doing that 500 times per minute for multiple hours every day.
Now that being said the actual "damage" from doing that (with reasonable force) might be so small that it's negligible over a lifetime of heavy typing, I'll give you that at least.
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>>71413460
I've been typing on buckling springs for who knows how long and I find them to be perfect. The bottoming out is cushioned thanks to the spring and the hammer so I don't get finger fatigue even after hours of typing. IBM made a lighter version with the M and M2 which I have tried and it doesn't feel all that bad. If it wasn't such a crappy keyboard I might even use it over my model F
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>>71413579
>>71413558
>>71413661
On a side note, what about O-rings? Would those help if you're constantly bottoming out?
I noticed not a lot of people are using them, is there any reason for that? Do they feel like shit?
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>>71413729
they probably do help a bit, but since there are no studies I can't be 100% certain.
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>>71389913
>>no Home
>>no End
jfc faggot just hit pipe and dollar.
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>>71413729
they lower the travel distance which means there isn't as much over travel
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>>71413729
>I noticed not a lot of people are using them, is there any reason for that?
They make the bottom out feel kinda mushy, which many people don't like.
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>>71391544
Every single thread until the end of fucking time if a board isn't a 100% board then everyone and their mom will keep asking where keys are that are just on other layers via QMK. It boggles my mind.
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>>71413661
you're assuming i have an mkb at work. my standard ass domed shit work kb has barely any resistance and maybe 1-2mm between "actuated" and "bottomed out", if even that. that said, i type very lightly. i was just curious.

>>71413542
what do you use your extra thumb keys for? I'm thinking thumbs would be infinitely better for modifier keys than crumpling up my pinky & ring finger, ctrl+shift+... is probably the most uncomfortable position on the keyboard for me
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>>71413869
>what do you use your extra thumb keys for?
Nothing special really, pgup/pgdn, home/end, etc. You can see (a simplified version of) my keymap here actually. The only difference is a workman layer & a macro for em dash mapped to Fn+~

https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/blob/master/keyboards/handwired/dactyl_manuform/5x7/keymaps/default/keymap.c
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>>71413923
>workman layer
das is est

>& a macro for em dash mapped to Fn+~
mah nigguh, i've been typing alt+0151 for over a decade
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Wish Drop ship times were faster.

I've got the following on order:
NYM96 board/case
Kalih Box White switches
/DEV/tty MT3 keycaps

This will be my first higher-end board, so hoping I didn't fuck up with my choices.
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>>71413729
An outdated solution when silent switches exist
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>>71409206
Browns? No. You'll find them way too similar to Topre switches on your HHKB. Also, I'd suggest Leopold over Filco.
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>>71409851
As far as chink shit goes, it's okay.
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>>71409851
any similar look from another manufacturer thats in stock ? I really like the light blue backlight.
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>>71415393
What? Browns and topre feel nothing alike. One has a 10g midtravel bump and one is a rubber dome
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>>71389055
I realize most here hate backlit, but in the off chance you are not one, does anyone make better looking backlit pbt keycaps than ducky?
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>>71414187
The /dev/tty keys look really nice, but to support 65% 68 key layouts I'd need to get the 65% ket and the ortholinear, as 65% kit doesn't include 1u alt,fn, and os key.
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What is the /emacs/ keyboard of choice.
Bonus for jis layout because muhenkan an henkan can be remapped to hyper, and I still have 2 additional extra keys to remap.
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>>71404409
You can neither have a decent build nor prebuilt for such price. Mechs are not cheap, this is how it is, unfortunately
>>71415873
Vortex has good caps, but it's hard to get them, they're always out of stock. Also, backlit keycaps kinda suck... They're usually thin and don't have much of an external frame
>>71412625
Have you tried to update the software? I had some weird bugs before doing it (like ```````````````````````````````````````)
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>>71416914
>external frame
*internal
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>>71408397
Where do you get the pads from?
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>>71417028
JLCPCB, but you can order them from whatever PCB shop is cheapest. Makes more sense if you order a shitload of them so the cost per PCB is lower.
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>>71416914
Yeah, I've been looking for vortex caps on and off for years. I end up forgetting about it after a while of checking on and off, then learn about a release after they're all sold out again.
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>>71379753
Bought an ergo dox. Tired of finger breaking hacks for emacs. Any recommendation for QMK layers.
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>>71417048
I mean where did you find the mask
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>>71417246
https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11420&start=
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a unicomp model M reproductions any decent or is it just a meme?
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>>71417741
They're not reproductions so much as they are just the lexmark made model Ms under a new name. Not as good as the old IBM made model Ms though.
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why are filcos so expensive, they dont seem that special
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>>71417850
they're not that special and the price tag is unjustified

leopold does filco better
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>>71416463
Probably a split, but realforce 91s are gorgeous in jis
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Do they make caps with an elongated and convex bottom row or space bar like this?
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>>71381709
Where do you buy these? Is this a kit?
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Found a good deal on g610 from Logitech with red switches. This will be my first mechanical keyboard. Did I make a mistake?



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