>Assemble a part listhttps://pcpartpicker.com/>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on blue titles to see noteshttps://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/>How to assemble a PChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8gWant help?>State budget & CURRENCY>Post at least some attempt at a parts list>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)CPUs based on current pricing:>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming>R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs>i7 8700/K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS>R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editingRAM:>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMPGraphics cards based on current pricing:>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty1080p>RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value>GTX 1660 - standard>RTX 2060 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)1440p>RTX 2060 - standard>RTX 2080 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)2160p (4K)>RTX 2080 - standard>RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensiveGeneral:>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING>Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's 144Hz with adaptive sync>A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor>Bottleneck checkers are worthlessPrevious: >>70552263
>>70559165r8https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wXFkNQ>>70559112>>70559102why? whats the problem?
>>70559182>i5>that mobo>that 1080ti>that caseDisgusting.
>>70559228Nah, you're build is shit newfag.
>>70559182>budget case>budget motherboard>$500 TN monitorliterally a joke build and you can't convince me otherwise
>>70559243why spend extra on features i don't use?
>>70559165Will NAVI be better than radeon VII? Or should I get radeon VII for high refresh rates on my 1440p AMD freesync 2 monitorwhat's your speculation?inb4>buy nvidiacan't, I use GNU/Linux too, and nvidia drivers sucks on linux
>>70559252>Will NAVI be better than radeon VII?Unequivocally no. It's a replacement for Polaris.
>>70559278guess I'm getting radeon VII then
>>70559296But why lol
>have amd gpu>random chance of fans blowing at 100% when booting up windows>won't stop until I go into the global wattman and set the speed thereI fucking hate this company.
>>70559333>Install Afterburner to manage everything>Check boot with Windows>Problem solved
>>70559333I'm glad people talked me out of getting a Vega 56 over a 1070, every day i hear more horror stories about inconvenient AMD bullshit.
Retard here. Theoretically if i could get my hands on pic related for free, could i use it to build a "regular" pc for gaming etc?
>>70559326I got myself 144Hz 1440p monitor and my current vega 56 can't utilize all hertz
>>70559165Ryzen ??? 6 core part Navi ??? bcs its sony sponsored - has to be goodwhatever ddr if youre not complete moron not to OC itwhatever stable psuG O O D MOTHERBOARDG O O D aircoolercase? LOL imagine wasting money on cases SUPER amoled 21.5'' 2k monitor 120hz actual G O O D keyboard cm mouse mat i like how it rubs skinpointer that feels good on hand and has none TRASH sensor wooden desk big ass fucking chair with arm rest and 4 wool blankets on it, big enough so you can sleep in itez
Im looking to buy a new monitor because im running on a shitty ass hp monitor that has literally melted part of the screen somehow.Should I go for a 4K monitor or should I sacrifice resolution for a 144hz monitor?
>>705594991440p 120hz is all man needs
>>70559504I'm mainly asking because I heard that TN panels are not that good compared to IPS, is this true in any way?
>>70559531Also i forgot to point out, I have a fairly low budget ($250 max) so 1440p 120hz is kind of out of budget.
>have a 2080 tiWhat's the build? I don't know shit about motherboards and never needed a CPU to keep up with a card like this.Is the 9900k a meme?
>>70559531>>70559540TN panels are made for goblins that do not EVER move their viewing angle just save up more money and buy good 1440p 120hz ips
>>70559551I also don't really do any hardcore gaming (Mostly games that don't require fast reflexes like RPGs and such) should I just forget about high refresh rates and get a 1440p or higher monitor? There's a couple for sale near me within my price range.
>>70559333>>70559354i had a r290 (or whatever it is) and it keep failing to a black screen on load and required a restart. >>70559550yes. you want 9700k or 9600k or 8700k. 9900k is unjustifiable for gaymen>>70559239>>70559216i'm optimizing price/performance for 1080p. what would you change?
>>70559558JesusIf you're never going to use 60+hz just get 1440p ips with 2ms or lower response time deeper darks eyecare and hdr
>>70559165Thank you sir for add intel cpu in OP ` you are good sir
>>70559575buy noctua cooler i5-9600K if you're going for 6c6t in 2019 for 2k$ but anyone normal would wait for zen2 if not to take zen2 but for price cuts intel will have to up if they want to sell anythingjust do not bu any case
>>70559575>recommending the 9600kyikes>>705595509700k is your only option even if it's a shit option. Unless you're doing 4K, then a 2700X works.>>70559333>>70559575I had a 9600 GTX and my dog died
>>70559182Use the money you are investing on the monitor in something else. Maybe get a better motherboad+processor.Rule of the thumb. The graphics card is supposed to be the most expensive component of your build, then comes the CPU. Also I would suggest going for a Antec power supply. Their power supplies are made my Sea Sonic(most of the time) and they are pretty good.
Is a ryzen really that shit at gaming?I don't just game though as I develop and code on the side too but is intel really THAT much stronger at gaming at that price tag?
>>70559704Intel is no better at all it's just 720p jew psyop bait benchmarks
>>70559600i watched a youtube video which explains that >6c6t cpu stutters when using a game engine like farcry's that can utilize a higher core count. is that the fear/problem? i filtered newegg for lowest price case without windows that has the most ventilation. the cooler has same performance as d-15 but is louder and cheaper>>70559617the r290 failed more frequently as time passed til it wouldn't work anymore>>70559664i want to use gsync with 240hzhigher frequency monitor = higher scanout rate = lower latency independent of frame rate outputhigher frame rate = lower motion blur = crt like motion claritythis is the reasoning for my build, with the element of price/performance being considered
1440p 144Hz VA is where it at.
>>70559818 merather, anything lower than 8c/t with that engine will stutter. are there any other games where this is true? i understand this game is the only that has this issue
>>70559847what's your monitor?
>>70559848The Witcher 3 is another example. Anything less than 8 threads gets stutters.Mafia 3. There's a few. BV1 and BFV multiplayer, too, IIRC.It's typically stupid to get anything other than a 2600/X, 2700X, or 9700k for gaming. 9600k might get higher AVERAGE fps than the 2600X in a lot of games, but in the worst cases it is worse while the 2600X performs consistently smooth with still good averages.Also keep in mind that benchmarking games is a done an unrealistic scenario with nothing running in the background. In the real world, you have other programs running in the background which will affect the weaker 6c/6t CPUs more.
>2600k>290x>Asus VG248QECan I extend the life of my rig any more or is it time to upgrade?
>>70559914Not worth putting more money into. It's still "okay" but consider starting to save and start from scratch next year.
>>70559900nah this is going to be a windowsbox as god intended. i guess i'll do i7 8700k, seems to be +5/10fps better anyway, just hard to justify that for +$100 but if it cures stuttering it would be worth it
>>70559718Seriously, is Ryzen just shit for gaming then?
>>70559936 methe implication is that its just for gaymen
>>70559936>>70559944>>70559940You're using a web browser right now, not only gaming, you dumb dindus
>>70559958i use a separate system for web browsing you dingus (x220 on vertical 4k ips)
>>70559958I don't think the 8700k would cure stuttering in a way a Ryzen couldn't
Been away from pcbg for a while cause i build a decent rig in 2017. gtx 1070,i7 6800k, asus strix x99 rog mobo and 3 ssd's one is m2. Now i don't know what parts are out. If money wasn't a problem is it worth to build something new in 19?
>>70559900can you link testing that shows this please. i'm just aware of the gamenexus video or whatever
>>70560040Same things but fancier
>>70559969>spending $2000+ on a glorified video game consolelol>>70560040wait for zen 2 and 7nm GPUs.
>>70560046aren't we all?
best RAM 2X8GB 3200MHz for a Ryzen 2400G? What are C14 and C16 and why I should care? 250$ CAD
>>70560051 me>>70560046its about on the dot $2k
>>70560045Ok thanks ive been lurking sometime and i think ain't much changed>>705600462020? Whats special about them?
>>70559333>actually getting memed into buying vega 56It's like seeing somebody get memed into believing flat earth theories.
>>70559165>Ryzen 2600X>RTX 2070Will it be good for 1080p/144hz?
>>70560163But it's a 380.
>>70560251Even an RX570 does 144hz in some games. What are you actually asking?>>70560163>Being memed into paying $350 for a 2060 when a $250 Vega 56 has the same performance and actually has enough VRAM to not need to be replaced next yearYeah, Vega buyers are totally the ones who got memed.
>>70560301>But it's a 380.and how much does the 2060 cost for you?>>70560314>getting a blower card that needs replacing instantly to save your ears>which also has worse performance than 2060>vram meme even through its been proven false
>based ebaytards paying me $300 for my fury xEbay is an amazing place to sell over priced videocards.
>>70560330>and how much does the 2060 cost for you?466$. Almost as much as my monthly income.
>>70559894LG 32GK850F-B>>70560196Sure, and every single IPS panel has a 2 seconds input lag, 1 second g2g, and costs over $9000.
>>70560314>What are you actually asking?Worrying about if the CPU is going to hold me back.
>>70560358>86$ difference in favor of vega 56If it wasn't a blower type then it's worth it I guess.In my case the 2060 is actually cheaper than vega 56.
For the radeon vii having 16GB of HBM, it really doesn't seem that impressive. Or is it just me?
>>70560352Is that card any good?Back in 2016 my friend built a PC and paired it with a i3 6100. Kept telling him that CPU is too weak but he just goes muh p/p
>>70560493Decent card overall, but it's really outdated now. The finewine amd technology never really did much for the fury x. I still have some regret buying it day 1. I moved onto a V64 now.
>>70560484thats because most games ALLOCATE not use ALLOCATE 4-6GB of VRAM with some exceptions getting to 8GB.16GB VRAM is utterly useless to gamers as you don't get a performance boost from excess VRAM.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/pPQ2dXWhich 2080 should i buy?
>>70560484You fell for the classic mid 00's marketing trick. Advertise the truly enormous vram but don't mention that the card is shit or at least disappointing in all the other aspects.
>>70560542AMD fails miserably with HBM. They've been working with HBM now for the past few years and have nothing to show for it. Nvidia still performs better or on par and their still on gddr.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PJLTLJI want to build something relatively future proof that I can use for a 1080p 144hz monitor for a few years
>>70559940I'm playing the latest games 1440p 60fps with an r2600. It works great and I won't need to change my mobo for a long fucking time because I can just pop in ryzen 2 after a few years.
>>70560386Anything a 2060 will run 144fps in, so will the 2600/X.>>70560542No one says you get a performance boost with excessive VRM, strawman-touting retard. But you get a performance and/or visual quality LOSS with not having enough when a game can use or NEEDS more.
WD Red or WD Gold for a PC that uses an SSD for installs, one internal for data and one HDD for backup? I'm looking for longevity mostly.
>>70560352Also a great place to buy used ones. Got my evga 1070 for £210 a few months ago and it works flawlessly.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/485312/650-watt-80-plus-bronze-atx-semi-modular-power-supplyDoes anybody know if Powerspec is good?
What PSU should I get? I want to replace my current one. It's a cheap one I got when I built my PC. It works fine but it's noisy. Will this do? I heard the supernova is very quiet.https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B017ROH8A6/ref=ox_sc_mini_detail?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2OAJ7377F756PWhat do these different versions mean? G2, G3 etc?
>>70561426https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CP-9020178-UK-RM650x-Modular-Supply/dp/B07DLQSRPN/Top tier semi passive PSU, literally silent under 60% load and inaudible over.
Good entry level b350/b450 board? Should be ATX and have at least 6 SATA ports.
>>70561555Pick anything midrange+ from here, will be "futureproof" for upcoming cpu generations. Plenty under $100.
>>70560602How is that even possible though? Is the architecture just so shit or something?>No one says you get a performance boost with excessive VRMThe way you cry about 6GB not being enough youd think that was the case which is why I have to point out that it isn't.Now that is out of the way> But you get a performance and/or visual quality LOSS with not having enough when a game can use or NEEDS more.And vast majority of games don't need more than 6GB of VRM, there is a few exceptions of games that allocate more than 6GB of VRM.
>>70560376>LG 32GK850F-Bhttps://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/ca9f13d3It's not bad, but I don't want to upgrade from 1080p@144 Hz until I can get a decent 10bit panel for cheap. The g-sync model is actually cheaper sometimes. I'm not really sure what it will take for them to get cheaper than $500 USD though. microLED is suppose to bring the cost of larger displays down. Maybe when 4K becomes a larger percentage of the market, 1440p will be cheaper.
Looking to buy a non tn 1440p 144hz freesync monitorfound the following twohttps://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/30e8ab248which one is best?
>>70561689>microLED is suppose to bring the cost of larger displays downI'm sure that will be very helpful in 2022
>>70561602You've made a lot of poor choices. The 8700K will likely be thread limited in the near future. It's already thermally limited without a delid. 3400 MHz memory is an odd choice and you can probably get the same results with a cheaper 3200 MHz b-die kit. While SSDs have become cheaper, it doesn't make sense to me to buy a 1 TB one if you're still buying 3.5" HDDs. Rather buy a 256-500 GB m.2 sata ssd and a larger HDD.Last all 2080s are poor value. Get a used 1080 ti off ebay for like 100 USD less than the cheapest 2080.
>>70561810Firstly i bought the parts of this build on sale over the last 4 months, paid roughly 1000EURO, monitor included. Secondly i'm fine with paying 800, maybe 850 but that's the hard limit, for a 2080, that's not the issue. I'm just looking for a good 2080 and want to avoid the b-grade models. Blowers, failed die, cheap and shitty heatsinks/fans etc. Thirdly i'm not buying used. That's out of the question.
Question;I already used liquid metal when I delidded my CPU two years ago.Now I need to replace the CPU cooler - should I use liquid metal, or just a good thermal paste? It seems like metal would be worth a couple of degrees, but there’s a risk of me fucking it up and shorting something.
>>70561810>The 8700K will likely be thread limited in the near future.What is it, 12 threads? Unlikely. It should be a good CPU for a few years.
Should I get a new 2060 with 2 fans and 4 heatpipes for 350euros orvega 56 with 3 fans and 6 heatpipes for 350euros?
>>70561932HT is so weak compared to real SMT, though.>>70561936I've seen vega 56 for 300 euro fairly often. I think they are 6 heatpipe and 2-3 fan models (red devil and pulse)But at both 350 euro, I'd go with Vega 56 for 1440p but the 2060 instead for 1080p.
intel for gaming and everything else amd if you're pooramd can't beat the 9900k or the 9980xe SAD
>>705593465/5 bretty good
>>70561932>>70561919PCpartpicker has an option for listing prices paid if it was already purchased on sale. Get a delid kit, they're cheap and safe. Just get the cheapest one on sale from one of the AIB partners you've had a good experience with. I don't know the Euro market well but in the US I would go EVGA, Gigabyte, ASUS, or MSI. You're worried about resellers screwing you, but you're fine with Nvidia charging you can extra $300 for last years model? There are less than year old AIB 1080 Tis in mint condition selling for less than ref 2080s.
Please rate and comment my config.Oldfag 35yo boomer, am completely out of hardware. Need some machine to do online shit mainly, office/desk tasks (libre, mail, browsing). Will this be able to edit vids/pics?
>>70561932>>70562000Oh and regarding HT, it's been said HTs are roughly 40% the performance of a real core at best. My understanding was HT improves in performance with clock though.My main point was 8c/16t will likely become mainstream by next year with Ryzen 3000 (Zen 2), Sunny Cove/10th gen Core (Icelake), and 9th gen consoles (Zen 2/Navi).
>>70562000Just to explain you a little bit about my mindset: If there was a store selling the exact same model for 50 bucks more than anyone else but with a 110% guarantee that it won't fail ever unless i'm literally pouring a glass of water into the case while it's running, i'd take that deal. That's why i don't want to buy used. I can't just walk into the store, slap the card on the counter and ask for a refund. I don't want to deal with resellers.
What should I upgrade for emulation? Everything. Gamecube, PS2, PSP, wii u and switch emulation whenever that's in a better state.Is GPU fine for that? What CPU should I get?
>>70562081Then I think you want to buy an extended warranty. I've heard a few people do this with EVGA and by the time their card fails, they only have newer gens in stock and people essentially get an upgrade cycle for only $100 on their last card purchase.
>>70561959>I've seen vega 56 for 300 euro fairly often.Well I told you the prices I can actually work with.>I think they are 6 heatpipe and 2-3 fan models (red devil and pulse)Pulse is 2 fans though?
>>70559383you would need some serious overclock to make that work
>>70561959>But at both 350 euro, I'd go with Vega 56 for 1440pnice meme
>>70562107Isn't that the step-up program that's only valid in the first 90 days after purchase and isn't transferrable?
>>70561959But at both 350 euro, I'd go with Vega 56 for 1440phmm
>>70561920do you positively need those 3 degree less?do you want to have even more galium on your chip?
>>70562057get a bigger heatsink and a gpuwat programs you plan on using for video/pic editing? if you cant go i7 or even i9, go amd
Hows the new Navi going to compare to vega 56 and 64?
>>70562198Why?I plan to use it to shill/browse online and run ms office programs isn't i7 overkill for this?I can't fit bigger heatsink into that case and i can't fit gpu in that case.
Gays please help me on AIRFLOWThis is someone else’s photo but I have the same case.I was thinking - the rear 92mm fan & the fan under the heatsink are pointless. Just have 2x120mm side fans in Push/Pull. What do you think.
Should I disable IME?
>>70561727The acer obviously
>>70562313go amd then, get a G cputhat cooler isnt really better that any stock cooler.encoding is CPU bound so you might need more cores, amd is better thenbut video editing uses GPU, wich you would need. so its like, consider a different case, get a cheapass 1050ti or weaker.at some point its program dependent too
I'm shooting for 1080p gaming on max settings with great frame rates.The 970 is being recycled until I get my next paycheck. I'm planning on replacing it with maybe an RTX 2070.Any suggestions?
>>705628212060 is capable of 1080p144with 2070 you might consider a future monitor upgrade, and we had rumours of 2070ti, so might consider saving a bit moredoes it needs to be a i7 9th gen?might consider some case fans later on. you sure that case can take the heatsink? how many radiators can it take?
>>70559165>mfw my GTX 970 is 5 years old and still no upgrade path>mfw my locked i5 3570 has just turned 7Ryzen 3000 can't come soon enough
>>70562919What do you mean no upgrade path? Just take it out and replace it with a more powerful card.
Can anybody tell me if the wattman or what ever AMD software that people use to undervolt works with no issues on windows 7?
>>70562966It's a win10 only program, just like ryzen master for cpu shit?FUCK! Well then it's unusable for me, is the undervolting still possible on win7 with something else?
OH NO NO NO NO NO9400F BTFOS A MORE EXPENSIVE 2600X WITH 3400 RAM
OK BOYS, REAL TALK.I don't care about the price, WILL any Ryzen 3000 beat the 9700k in gaming performance?
>>70562930Outside of Apex legends I don't need a new gpu but I want one and nothing is screaming at me to buy it AnonCpu wise the i5 despite a pretty beefy cooler idles at 50c so it's best I replace that sooner than laterJust all of it makes me feel so old considering I got my 970 for my 16th birthday iirc
>>70562999Yes, the 8c and 12c X suffix chips will both either match or exceed a 9700k in games.
>>70562997That's not FAIR! Water cool the 2600! Tighten the timings on the Samsung B-die memory, use 1.5V on it! Lower the room ambient temperature only for AMD testing!
>>70562997>>70563069lol what. They're pretty much fucking identical. What happened to INTEL IS WAY BETTER FOR GAMING?
>>70563113Yeah but that's a 2600X you blind retard.They perform pretty much the same.
Thinking of getting the CoolerMaster MasterBox MB520 for my first build, do you guys think it'll do the job good enough or is there any reason to go more expensive?
>>70562997only thing this show is that memory speed matters and you dont need to OC i5 to match 2600x
>>70562506I don't know, try it and see what the temps look like. Cases with no free space for convection make me unnecessarily nervous for some reason.
>>70562887I wasn't sure on the gpu, I'll look into the 2060 and wait a bit to see if the 2070ti rumors lead anywhere.I chose the 9th gen, because it's only $30 more than the 8th gen.The case has room for a radiator, but I was planning on just air cooling, my gaming sessions usually don't last too long.
>>70563138No, it shows 2600x with b-die ram while 90% of people here buy 3200 cl16 ram thinking they will get those results while in reality it will be dogshit
What are some of /pcbg/'s favorite cases? Putting an ATX build together and curious what options you all would recommend.
Anyone got a tier list for Intel motherboards?
>>70563185B die is a fucking meme. It makes a big difference in one game.
>>70563185:^) But whats the difference in B-die or not, all people hear is 3200frequency!Who cares if it's Cl12 or CL18, who cares about cas latency, or tighter timings.Just going to buy ryzen and this 3200 memory lol and dab on intel!
>>70563185I mean...What's the difference between Cl3200 Cl16 and B-die that can easily run 3466Mhz CL14 with tight timings and subtimings.You can LAMO get 3200mhz cheap boys!
>>70563227>>70563242calm town timmytake your meds
Wait is Zen2 a GPU or CPU?
>>70563256I'm not crazy, YOU ARE CRAZY! B-die 3400Mhz cl14 and 3200 CL16 is different I say, DIFFERENT!
Built a rig back in December and I'm getting random BSOD crashes while playing visually intense games while downloading stuff in the background. Doesn't seem to happen as much if I'm not running anything else with the game. Whatcrashed tells me it's ntfs.sys and ntoskrnl. Would that info imply that maybe a thermal issue or maybe something wrong with my processor/board? I'm kinda at a loss here.
9400F or 2600X then?
>>70563352Does it ever crash when not downloading anything?Is anything overclocked?Have you run any sort of diagnostics, smart test on the drive you're downloading to? sfc scan?
>>70563381Whichever you want who even cares at this point.Both shit in their own ways.
>>70563381don't get x chips. so the question is if 2600 or 9400f. depends on the price and if you are only using your pc as a glorified gaming console. 9400f will give you ~5 fps more, but will suck on everything else
>>70563475What's wrong with X chips?For 25 bucks it seems like a decent upgrade to me.
>>70562999how the fuck should we know? >>70563487it's a factory overclock of a normal 2600. overclock it yourself and save the money for a better cooler or something
>>70563494You're fucking retarded. 2600X are better bins, 2600 can't be manually oc'd to match even the stock performance on 2600X.
OH NO NO NO NO NO>YOU CAN UPGRADE WITHOUT CHANGING MOBOS WITH AMD GUYS!
>>70563352sounds like a RAM issue, do a memtest.
>>70563487Nothing wrong with them. They come with a better stock cooler and can use PBO>>70563475The i5 only gives that 5FPS on average when paired with a super high end graphics card.>>70563381Personally I'd say 2600X because new consoles will be Zen. Also as gaming workloads become more parallelized, the 2600X will last longer
>>70563524>reposting fudAn outsourced german "tech support" pajeet doesn't know shit about BIOS updates.
Update on when I asked whether this was a scam yesterdayThe card is gone now, so it was a scamI didn't try to buy it
>>70563543Hmm alright, 2600X it is, thank you!I'm still thinking of getting an aftermarket cooler tho, would the Ben Nevis Advanced be a worthwhile upgrade over the Wraith Spire that comes with the X?
>>70563543>doesnt mention ryzen needing b-die ram to match an i52/10 amd salesman
>>70563549Kinda weird to see someone with 100% positive ratings supposedly sell scam items, are you sure it was a scam?You'd figure that would reflect in their ratings at.
>>70563589Yeah, found it weird as well.Refreshed the page today and it just 404'd, saying the page does not exist.And that's after at least 1 other person already bought it
Nice quality control there, Corsair.
>>70563549if it was used it could be one of those heavy artifact rtx cards, but that doesnt say used, does it?>>70563589>>70563604happens all the time. wouldnt be surprised that the site itself doesnt allow to find a previous seller so they can rate him poorly, since the item doesnt exist thus that item cant be rated negatively, leaving the scammer free of repercussion
>>70562104well, cpu wise you're locked to 6th gen, so an i7 would be the best you could go, which would also be pretty damn capable for emulation.gpu, for 1080p anything 570 and up would suffice, except if you're using higher internal resolution and some other fancy options, ymmv. as per op, check for used parts, people are offloading 1070s at pretty enticing prices. your current gpu is on the weak side i think, but for emulation i'd upgrade the cpu first.
>>70563651>if it was used it could be one of those heavy artifact rtx cards, but that doesnt say used, does it?It said it was new
>>70563651Man that's good to know, makes me feel better about not buying that 900 euro PC with a delidded 8600K and GTX 1080 from a 100% positive seller when i saw it.
Rate the build: CPU AMD Ryzen 3 2200GMOBO Gigabyte B450MRAM 1x Corsair Vengeance 8GBHDD WD Blue 1TBCASE Floston BLUE DEFENDERPSU Corsair VS450This costs about $350. Is there a way to improve it without greatly going above that price?I don't really plan on doing any high-end gaming, and I know this is a low-end build.
>>70563577go back to selling haggis, jewish trash.
>>70563675>2200G>B450If you're using this as a stopgap, then I suggest waiting for a bit. But if you're using this for long-term, please consider using a B350 board.
>>70563675You need 2 RAM sticks or the integrated graphics will perform like absolute dogshit.You want a better PSU. The VS units are trash.
>>70563675>1x8g ramdo NOT do this, get a 2x kit. you're crippling your rig without a dual channel setup. either get 2x4gb or 2x8gb, but NEVER populate only a single slot
>>70563675>>70563699im gonna honestly suggest 2 sticks of some brandless memory with 16gb since your iGPU will use your ram memory as well
>>70563693Not him but can you explain that point on the mother board?I'm considering getting an MSI B450 Tomahawk, is there any reason to get the 350 version instead..?>>70563675I'd say go for an SSD instead of the HDD unless you really need that 1 TB.You can probably get a 480 GB SSD without increasing the price too much.
>>70563736Well, the 2200G is a Zen part. It does not need the other features from the b450, unless you're using it as a stopgap for Zen2, then by all means, get a B450.
>>70563675Where's the SSD anon
>>70563675>Is there a way to improve it without greatly going above that price?>I don't really plan on doing any high-end gamingthis >>70563789
>>70563693I do plan on upgrading in the future, yeah. That's why I picked the B450.>>70563699What PSU would you suggest?
I'm the retard from yesterday that has a crashing computer. I got a new PSU, plugged in new cables for everything but CPU(would require taking the whole thing apart) and SATA. Motherboard lights up. Now PSU just makes a "click" noise when I press power button. So how fucked am I?
considering buying an SSD + new HDD. would a 256GB SSD NvME + 1TB HDD be an okay setup?
>>70563789>>70563805SSD's are pretty expensive. I wanted to get a 500 GB HDD with some extra SSD but all the available options were expensive, or at least more expensive than a simple 1 TB HDD.
>>70563886>SSDs are expensiveYou can get a 128GB SSD for $19,together with the 1TB HDD.128GB are enough for the operating system and your regularly used programs.Just don't put any big games or videos or anything on it.I've been living off a 128GB SSD for 5 years, pic related. You just gotta use it correctly.$20 more for an OS & apps SSD is totally worth the speedup on a budget pc
>>70563886>>70563924Let me add, while I CAN manage on 128GB, 250GB would be a much better choice. Only suggesting cause you're on a budget.
>>70563821Well fuck me. As soon as I unplugged my CPU from the PSU, the GPU fans start for just a second and turn off.
>>70563851Can you explain why that's better?
Any place where I could find the full list of changes for amd drivers from now to like a year ago?
>>70563983Better capacitors, more efficient.
>>70562997I like how slower RAM speed on the Ryzen wasn't even in the test option.
how bad is the performance drop using single channel DDR3 memory on Intel compared to AMD?
>>70563487They're fine for people who want more performance at a slight premium without doing it themselves.Just because someone can OC non-X does not mean they should or want to.>w-whatever it's your money bro
>>70563084gaming doesn't matter
>>70564164less impactful than AMD, but it still hurts having only half the potential memory bandwidth available.
Alright bros, final (?) revision of the build i'm ordering, totaled out to exactly 1000 euro.Thanks for all the help and info i could gather just by lurking, any last minute change i should make or is this good for now?
>>70564046Fair enough, so how is this build then:CPU AMD Ryzen 3 2200GMOBO Gigabyte B450MRAM 2x Corsair Vengeance 4GBHDD WD Blue 500GB HDD and SSD Kingston A400, 120GBCASE Floston BLUE DEFENDERPSU Seasonic S12III
>get a broken computer for a few bucks at the weekend garage sale>try to see what's going on>plug everything in>the PSU fan is not turning>the CPU cooling fan is turning however>there is no BIOS "beep" sound upon boot>there is no video signal at allWhat should most likely be replaced? What is broken?
>>70564353psu might have a fan stopwhich video port are you connecting it to, mobo or possibly dgpu?try removing the cmos battery
>>70556044Anyone knows an acceptable cost-benefit build for zbrush, photoshop and that lasts around 3~4 years for a game design career?
>>70564402I tried connecting another PSU (its fans always spin), tried connecting to both the motherboard and GPU video ports and tried removing the CMOS battery, yet there's still no video signal.The motherboard is probably broken. How do I know if the power supply is broken, too?
>>70562997I still wouldn't pick a 9409F over a 2600x purely because it lacks hyperthreading and it's going to run games with stuff in the background much worse and show it's age much sooner.
>browsing for CPU coolers againAgggh... it's so frustrating not knowing with 100% certainty that any decent-performing cooler I buy will mount correctly on an Ryzen-chipset board. Even Noctua and be quiet have some dud reviews. I hate returning parts so I just want my cooler install to be without drama.
Is there a noticeable benefit to quad channeling your ram over dual channeling?
Is PSU wearout real?
>>70562115Not at all. Some Xeon workstation parts are basically just rebranded i7's. They're fine for the right price in a budget build.
>>70564570Don't know but I had my last power supply for almost 11 years when it just pooped out.Luckily nothing was damaged, so I just had to buy a new PSU.
>>70564570Capacitor aging?Yes and noAging is real, but as long as you don't go full-retard and get the absolute low-end and minimum for your build, it's a moot issue. It only really affects the maximum wattage output. For low-to-midrange builds, For this very reason, I always recommend 600-650 watt PSU for low-to-mid range builds, 750-850 for high-end builds. Anything beyond that, you're just wasting money, unless it's a specialized build. Use until failure.PSU-fags, fight me
>>70563577GPU pairing has a way more important effect than does expensive RAM. For most buyers pairing with an RX 570 or even RTX 2060 (in most cases) the R5 and i5 will provide almost identical framerates. In some games the Core processors significantly outpace the Ryzen CPUs, but even then the R5 2600/X will provide great framerates>>70564312I would get 3200CL16 RAM for easy OC>>70563567I don't really know much about coolers, because I'm not an overclocker
>>70564681>>70564748I told my friend to get a probably pretty old probably used for mining PSU and he hasn't had any issue so far. It was a pretty high end model I think.I'm considering doing the same
>>70564444>>70564712You given basically no information, but you can try the "paperclip test" on the PSU
>>70564779Hmm is a specialized cooler really unnecessary unless i'm OCing then?I was under the impression that even under normal conditions a better fan is good for longevity of the CPU, but maybe i'm misinformed.
>>70559182is Acer Swift 1 SF114-32 with 4gb ram a laptop good enough for arch linux?
>>70564847>is a specialized cooler really unnecessary unless i'm OCingCorrect, if you're not overclocking the the main reason to get an aftermarket cooler is noise, but the Ryzen stock HSFs are quiet
>>70564905Hmm thanks, i guess i'll take the cooler out of the build then. That also makes me feel a little better about going with the more expensive Samsung SSD.
>>70564940>more expensive Samsung SSDThe 970s are fairly pointless unless you're using one as a scratch disk. The 860 Evo is a good buy though, as is the Crucial MX500
r8? Anything that can be optimized?https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XD9mtg
>>70565022Do people really buy windowsAlso $35 is too much for a 7260Get a 8260 and an adapter + antennas on ebay
>>70565101I doBecause I don't like rootkits
okay for real i want a advice on something i havent found anywhere and after reading it for a while i literally got a clean paper and now i realized i made a fool out of myself for like yearsi want a good mouse pad recomendations. something neat, possibly white and red. after testing some accurancy on mspaint, im literally punching myself for making all this trouble for me because i couldnt find a mouse pad that would fit between my KB and desk wall, so im sure its gonna be one of those expensive huge mattsis there anything on it i should look after? material? thickness?
what was that site some dude made to post & rate builds?
>>70565242Meant to also say builds that have been built. basically pictures of builds along with their specs for inspo.man I'm fuckin' brain dead
>>70565022>wait for navi memerythis is for 1060p? for 1440p the 2060 will not provide more that 70fps depending on game and settingsdont buy windows tbqh find a oem reseller on ebay or something like thatdo not game on fucking wifiyou will hate yourself for thisits perfectly fine if you wanna do a hotspot on your PC to your home/room but NOT to game on it
>>70565301>memeryIt's memory, retard>this is for 1060p?Are you fucking serious>for 1440p the 2060 will not provide more that 70fpsFalse
>>70565316>memeryNot him but that wasn't a typo, you humorless fuck. Lurk more.
>>70565251Yeah I know, that's down the line.>>70565301I'm mostly interested in 1080-1440p single player games. I know WiFi is shit for gaming, but I'm not in the position to be running Ethernet cables across floors at the moment.
GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Gaming OC 11GB GDDR5X Video Card - WhiteItem price $46.76on ebay, is this a scam? says brand new in box condition and ebay guarantees the item. purchased using paypal which has its own buyer protection, bought through my credit card which has its own buyer protection
>>70559165Worth putting my platinum sample Vega 64 on water or should I just bite the bullet and buy Radeon 7?
>>70565383Of course it's a scam, don't be retarded
>>70565383No, absolutely legit. I always buy my 1080 TIs in bulks for pocket change.
>>70565355>1080-1440phonestly if you dont have a monitor already you might need to consider it before the computerfor 1440p you might need a 2070 to get 80fps constantly, the 2080 is advised to max 1440p
>>70565400what. well what is this. i'll just get my money back or something won't i? whats the point
>>70565427You'll probably get a GTX 560 ti or something. You might be able to keep it for free if it has buyer protection.
>>70565415I'm mostly interested in older games, but I'll look into the 2070 vs 2080 when it comes to 1440p
>>70565383You just got P H I S H E D.
>>70565443"Shop with confidenceeBay Money Back GuaranteeGet the item you ordered or get your money back." explicitly stated 1cm directly to the right of the product picture. i wonder whats going on here. i've never used ebay before, this is spooky. there was a listing for $88 similar card but that shit was gone before i could enter my paypal info>>70565478is that right in this context? its ebay.com"AU $65.14Approximately US $46.76Item location:RAVENSTHORPE, AustraliaEstimated delivery Wednesday, Apr 24, 2019 - Monday, May 6, 2019"does this make it more or less likely to be fake? maybe its a dumb austrialin
>>70565262>>70565242found it, it's build.gg. I'm too fried.
>>70565187Xiaomi aluminum pad
>>70559333>Using WindowsYour first mistake lmao cuck
>>70565531You'll get an email within a few hours saying that the item you purchased isn't available and maybe a call from your credit card company if their protection is on point. Probably not a big deal but there's no way that listing is real. Sometimes seller accounts get hacked, sometimes it's just a seller with zero reviews/reputation. Nobody would ever sell something for that low of a price though, I mean come on man.
>>70565602Imagine being this person
>>70565546amazing, i was thinking on something more edgy and gayming but this is pretty fucking awesomedo you think they make it in those absurd sizes of 30x70cm?
>>70565531at thsi point you should suspect that you will receive a fucking brick or one of those heavy artifacting unRMAable RTX cards
>>70565475you sure of it? reselling the 2060 will kinda ruin its valuetbqh you could do it with 1080p144hz monitors, a 2070 would not be really needed by then unless you want to futureproof
>>70565736I was seeing that supposedly a common giveaway is that the "high-end" card has a VGA port on it.>If it sounds too good to be true, it isshould added to the GPU section of the Op
Just remember that if you use PC parts picker, make sure to manually add items that you want to purchase from the actual website. PC parts picker gets a commission off parts you buy through their website.
>>70563532Ran a memtest and it hung at 21%. I'll try mem86 next.>>70563382Runs fine when I'm just downloading stuff. Do have stuff overclocked but it's not aggressive. SFC scan was clean.
>>70565777>>>>>>>>>VGAoh god its one of those old FX cards isnt it
>>70565788literally downclock your ram on your mobo specsits nto a permanent fix if it works. if it doesnt, cross yoru fingers and hope its something else like the GPU
>>70565668lol you are correct. seller account is gone. item listing can't be found. i have to wait 7 days then file a thing. well now i know this is a thing
>>70562997>3 frames>btfoso matches it in gaming and is significantly better at everything else, buying a 2600x right now
>>70563084no gaming benchmarks now, do needful and delid them
>>70565918Yeah just always check seller reviews and if the price is too good to be true it's because it's fake.
>>70565969bought Gigabyte AORUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Xtreme Edition 11GB Graphic Cards GV-N108TAORUS X-11GD from amazon for $506 includes shipping. "without cover" hope they are talking about the back plate
>>70565534builds.ggHow is it better/different from pcpartpicker?
>>70565944Pay $100 more for same performance like a good goy
>>70565804I've heard it's a common tactic, yes. Sounds like in this case there just is no card at all though, it was just phishing.
>>70566049better be ready for no warranty cover and no fan cover too
>>70565397do you really need those extra FPS?do you really wanna turn your computer into a water tank?why not wait for navi memery?
>>70566049why tho. you can go on craigslist and get one for 500$ with everything included and tested.
>>70565397sell it for a 2080ti and get actually noticeable performance.
>>70566115they refuse to sell components individually>>70566102; ; pls no
>>70566071it's just people who have built PC's showing pics and posting specs. literally just for build inspo and aesthetics.
>>70566149I'm not trying to be a dick, but doesn't PPP have that, plus some functionality where you can see builds containing a specific part? I don't get what it brings to the table, other than 'inspo'
>>70566147I've literally bought two 1080ti's off kijiji (canadian craigslist) for 650$ cad (480usd) with warranty in the past month.
>>70566256you seem pretty upset that another site exists with the same functionality :(There was a specific build on build.gg that I wanted to see but forgot the name of the site. It's literally the same but there's some builds on there that aren't on PPP.
pls sir , garuda demands that u buy the superior air cool nvidia. pls namaste ty.
>>70565816I guess the good thing is that everything is still under warranty I think. I'll give it a shot.
>>70566736if its under warranty dont even try itcall them, tell them what happened and already see what you can do about RMAif they discover you fucked with it they will try to say its your fault and warranty wont cover
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Colorful-INVIDIA-Dragon-Dildo/2926102_32963890225.html?is this a scam
I'm mainly looking for a monitor at the moment for use with my work laptop and Nintendo Switch, but I will be building a more powerful gaming PC in the near future. We have two Dell U2415 monitors at work and I really like how crisp the image quality is on those displays. It's especially noticeable how good the image quality is because I use an older Dell P-series as my central monitor in a 3-monitor setup.It seems like Dell doesn't offer a 27-inch Ultrasharp monitor with a refresh rate of 144Hz. Do you know if any other manufacturer offers a display with similar image sharpness but with a higher refresh rate?
>>70565780I'm so glad I'm not you
Gonna pull the trigger on a Fractal Design Define S Solid. Any last things I should know about it? Just looking for a quiet black box I can put on a nice quiet black desk.
>2700X 50TH Anniversary Edition>30th Aprilhuh, strange they release this when Zen2 is apparently so close.
>>70567122>Any last things I should know about it?Be quiet 600 is quieter (while sacrificing cooling performance)Also the bottom of the define S is a bit wobbly.The front door doesn't open, instead you need to pull it off.Lastly the front panel doesn't have sound dampening material on it.
>>70567146clearly a money graband people call intel jews lmao
Is the M2 form factor really that much better than a conventional SSD?
>>70567314NVMe is what matters and i gotta tell you its really hard to feel a difference between it and a SSD unless you know what you are doingalso M.2 didnt caught up, i see a lot of sales of m.2 drives because noone wanna buy them.
Can you put a pcie x1 card into any slot? The only appropriate sized slot has my wifi card heatsink right up against my graphics card's back.
>>70567365yes you can stick a 1x pcie into a 16x slot
r8https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hJLmtg>>70566344sure i believe you. it just happens that i don't have any in my area. the niggers want me to buy their bloat. also "Your AmazonSmile order of "Gigabyte AORUS GeForce GTX..." has been canceled due to a seller pricing error"reethe ride never endsjust bought "Gigabyte AORUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti" for $550. lets hope this one is real>>70567314lower latency if using nvme. can still have sata m.2 to connect ssd, no difference if doing that i guess besides just the different physical connection
>peope buy 9900k for gaymenY tho?
>>70567484This is gonna be used for heavy Photoshop and Illustrator tasks, and 1080p gaymen. Good enough? Before you ask no, i can't get 16GBs of RAM, it goes over my budget https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/Cv9DLJ
>>70567484I think you might want more power on the PSU, like 650 maybe.
>>70562263<$300 Navi is expected to be +/- Vega 56 performance. >>70562997>clickbait unboxed>minimums are the same even with nothing running in the background>more expensive when price is the same or better for AMD since better cheap boardsyikes this is the shill's reference of choice. Just BTFOs himself
Read it and weep boys.https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2019/04/15/nvidia-gtx-1660-ti-versus-gtx-1070-whats-the-best-300-graphics-card/
>>70567568hope not, vega 56 might not be a endgame gpu but right now amd needs something to compete with 2080ti
>>70567528ok sure i'll look at it. you want two ram modals for duel channel efficiency. it doesn't have to total 16gbs. do 2x4gb or whatever you want as long as they're the same or something. listen to me you need to do that. after that.. idk anything about europoor translations or about amd platforms but best bet would be to get lowest price psu/case and stretch the gpu to whatever higher if you can. if not then you're done i suppose
>>70567568>this is the shill's reference of choiceRent free. I didn't post that; how could you be so stupid to think that's my posting style?
>>70567528get 2x4gb, never buy a single stickyou will cripple memory speeds because of only one stick, and ryzen needs that shit
>>70567619>>70567638Alright i can manage two sticks as long as i stick (forgive the pun) to 8GB. I've already got the cheapest mATX case but i don't wanna risk it on the power supply. The 4GB version of the RX580 is 40€ less than the 8GB model, is it worth getting considering i'm not going over 1080p and i don't play very demanding games?
>>70560163>flat earth theories.earth is flatlook it uo
>Gigabtye UD3 990FX motherboard for $35 USD>Asrock Z77 Extreme4 motherboard for $35 USD>Gigabyte UD6 P55 motherboard for $60Are any of these worth it? I've already got a capable computer, but wouldn't mind a sort of secondary computer for random shit. NAS, VMs, etc. Also, what are some general things to look out for when buying used hardware?
>>70567675check benchmarks of both cards, but afaik its best to keep the 8gb since you wont be able to even consider upgrading. 8gb is futureproof, specially for 1080p60. all that might live with you for over 5 years with no issues. might consider buying used as well, maybe even as a upgradethe upgrade paths i see is kinda stuck but consider ~40 or so for a cooling solution so you can overclock, and for like 60 you can bling the shit out of it with cheap chink RGB fans so think hard about the case. you can also get SSDs for it later
>>70567706I'm retarded and i forgot to mention there's no storage in the list because i have a spare 500GB SSD i'm gonna be using. The PC is not for me but for my gf, she has very limited space and the PC will be stuck under the desk so she doesn't care about RGB shit or looks, also no OC because she's not tech-savvy.I'll keep the 8GB then, thanks
>>70567754i think you should have at least 1 fan in and out but yeah, you are done
>>70563521is this true?anybody know with evidence
>>70563962This is becoming too much of a hassle. I'm throwing this shit out and ordering a new prebuilt. Thanks for nothing fags.
>>70567576>-whats-the-best-300-graphics-card/Vega 56.1660Ti isn't bad at all for 1080p, though. It'll be good when they start going on sale.>>70567598Navi is going to be midrange at first.An "enthusiast end" 2080Ti level of card likely won't come until 2020.Considering though that the midrange Navi seems to be Vega56 performance on a die smaller than the RX580, it's looking good that AMD will actually be able to make an enthusiast end card again. But they need the volume market and marketshare right now.>>70567636>he thinks he's the only retard who tries to troll people into buying a 6c/6t CPU for the same price and gaming performance as a 6c/12t CPU that's better for everything else and real usagelol
>>70567786what psu is it post specs retard
Without knowing exact numbers, realistically what sort of performance uplift will there be between a Ryzen 2600 & Ryzen 3300/X?Would've said 3600 in place of the 3300, but assuming "leaks" are correct I'd mostly be interested in a 6 core.
>>70567675i say its ok as long as you keep to 1080p and don't have work project data assets that exceed that (i don't know what i'm talking about) or have custom 3rd party high res game textures packages mods applied (like are common with skyrim mod texture packs or whatever are common now or something like that)>>70567693i think that the synology or whatever nas boxes are better because of the energy bloat otherwise. they have nice software i hear. can probably find a ready to go solution for whatever software thing you are thinking about implementing>>70567706>consider ~40 or so for a cooling solution so you can overclock, and for like 60 you can bling the shit out of it with cheap chink RGB fans so think hard about the case. you can also get SSDs for it laterdo the opposite of this unironically >>70567754yes any ssd will be great
Yeah, at this point HBM is a meme. That or AMD's engineers are incompetent. Nvidia still uses gddr.
>>70567848Well, my intention isn't just a NAS, which is why I mentioned VMs and it would also be used for other testing
>750W FSP Hydro G PSU for $100 CADSeems like the guy buys bulk computer parts or something to resell, box has no shrink wrap on it, but seems untouched otherwise. PSU seems like the most important part of a system, but if it's in pristine condition, what would I be getting into?I'm so conflicted, it's a pretty good price for a Gold rated fully-modular PSU with reasonable ratings, but it's in a condition unknown to me.
New thread >>70567933>>70567933>>70567933
>>70567935fuck off with your shilling AMDrone
>>70567808>who tries to troll people into buying a 6c/6t CPUI don't, because I recommend R5s, shithead. I am THE shill in your head though
>>70568003Wasn't talking about youRent free, btw
>>70568020>Rent freeYou think everyone is me; that's why I'm in your head rent free. You on the other hand are just a shithead namefag who dropped the name because you got shit on constantly