>2018>oledfags on /g/ make fun of you if you don't buy an MEMOLED for your living room>2019>Micro LED is set to replace OLED completely because it does everything OLED can, but without the drawbacks, while SEETHING MEMOLED fags get upset that the $3000 monstrosity with burn-in, panel defects, and low-brightness is LITERALLY DECAYING in their living room.RIP OLED.Micro LED is the fucking future! By 2020, OLED will be forgotten and everything from phones, to computer monitors, to huge TVs and wall-size displays will be Micro LED-based. OLED will be completely gone like Betamax while people will post pictures of their burned in screens to laugh at how stupid they were for buying it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjhu4ce4D-sRemember to make fun of any OLED shill that comes into this thread to try to convince you to buy their remaining stock of useless, overpriced, dogshit TVs.
>but without drawbacksThe Micro part should alone indicate a drawback if you have any tech literacy you dumb tosser.
worse than oled shilling. you keep spamming this shit.oled is on the market and has been for years. make a new thread when microled comes to mainstream (sub 3000 for TVs, under 1000 for monitors).
>have to buy the latest shiny thing
Pretty pathetic to be honest famlamlamdesu~
I don't want a bomb in my house, thanks but no thanks OP.
>>69326973Just buy a good panel that suits your needs and replace it when it dies you inbreed stupid fags there is 0 reason to jump on memes every 6 months.
>>69327030>I don't want a bomb in my housewhat
>>69326992>oled is on the market and has been for yearsthe time of memoled is over
>>69327020microvaporware, est 2012. I bet this shit will never get commercialised or end up having hidden issues like dirty screen and non-uniform ageing.
>>69327044>SamsungTake your suicide bomber technology somewhere else, thanks.
>>69327039>Just buy a good panel that suits your needs and replace it when it dies you inbreed stupid fags there is 0 reason to jump on memes every 6 months.But most of us just have an LED because we ignored the OLED meme and now microLED is worth buying. This is actual responsible consumerism.
>>69327061>and now microLED is worth buyingIt's not shill. Hype faggots like you who attempt to scam people into buying higher-class products at release instead of waiting a year for full info to get out from all areas of the industry should get auto-bans.
>>69327093/g/ is like 90% people telling you what is worth buying from a non-normie perspective. stop being such a fag and enjoy the public service.
>>69327113Even a normie perspective is better than your hypefag perspective full of shit. I pity any dumbfucks who listened to faggots like yourself during the GTX 970 scandal instead of waiting for the full info to come out. Your perspective as a hypefag is something society should collectively urinate over for its own good.
>>69326973I'm not sure it's MicroLED. Might be quantum dot, presuming they can get a fucking grip on self-emission, but the future is not, was not, and will never be OLED.
>>69327140>Even a normie perspective is better than your hypefag perspective full of shit.this isnt hypefag. you can't even name one reason why microLED might be a scandal.
>>69327180You are a hypefag dumbshit. You incite people to buy shit before all info is out and before any potential scandals and problems can be registered through time, instead of them being patient with their wallets. You are the definition of a piece of garbage which should be beat up by the nearest people as soon as you leave any premises and urinated over for your hypefaggotry.
>>69327180Can you tell me why MicroLED would be better than a Quantum Dot display that is self-emissive? Genuinely curious about how MicroLED would be better.
I'm still waiting for SED. Fuck you Canon, you screwed it all up.
>>69327199>You incite people to buy shit before all info is outagain you can't name a single thing that is suspicious about microLED.
>>69327238Again you are a hypefaggot who can't give any assurances that there isn't anything suspicious, making your perspective a liability to anyone dumb enough to listen to your mouthfart instead of waiting patiently for all info to come out through time. I've already done my part by cautioning people about a hypefaggots like yourself so they can restrain their emotions and think clearly.
>future $currentyear>not having nanoLED display>future future $currentyear>not having a picoLED display
>>69327217>Can you tell me why MicroLED would be better than a Quantum Dot display that is self-emissive?MicroLED is already self-emissive and potentially cheaper than Quantum Dot. I'd say QD is just a temporary experiment until MicroLED becomes mature and everything will be MicroLED.
>>69327229Literally died because of the (((US))) (((patent))) legislation.
>>69327277I wouldn't go that far. https://www.zdnet.com/article/samsung-researching-quantum-dot-on-microled-tvs/>On applying QD technology to MicroLED TVs, the president said it required a very high level of technological sophistication to put QD on micrometer-sized LED invisible to the eye. "MicroLED requires RGB to form at the wafer. If we can apply QD technology and increase productivity we can save costs," he added
>>69327217Quantum dot is just a marketing buzzword for LCD with an additional filter for better colours.
>>69327308No, they are already working on making quantum dot self-emissive. Right now, they are photo-emissive, but that isn't the end-goal.So far, I've been given 2 answers, and neither one of them are factually correct.
>>69327277samsung's QLED isn't "really" a quantum dot display. The goal is to make electroluminescent quantum dot displays which self-emit light instead of being a fancy phosphor for blue LEDs. The advantages would be that they are cheaper to produce, i.e. they could be printed like OLEDs but them being anorganic their lifespan would hopefully be longer. Quantum dot displays actually would be another step up and better than either microLED and OLED. They might get production costs of microLED down enough that it doesn't matter or they might get lifespans of OLED displays high enough that it doesn matter but we'll see.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_dot_display#Active-matrix_light-emitting_diodes
>>69327346Finally, a real answer. Thank you.
Falling for Television marketing tricks.KYS you dumb consumer.
>>69327346>Quantum dot displays actually would be another step up and better than either microLED and OLEDMaybe at peak brightness but that's about it.
>>69327061>Falling for a marketing trick and calling LCD 'LED'
>linking fucking ijustineout
Its going to be some time still before they're producing singular panels. Right now their displays are all multi panel, with each panel being a relatively small section of the total 75" display shown.It truly does have the potential to usurp OLED, but at the moment mass production of these panels is a long way off, at least a year or more away.
>>69326992>oled is on the market and has been for yearswould you mind pointing me to a nearest OLED monitor, please?
>OLED has no futureNo fucking shit.How did you figure that a panel that goes to shit after one year of use is not going to be the standard for long
>>69327943who fucking cares about TV faggots, give me true black monitorsi've been waiting since 2011 when I had to retire my CRT
>>69328133Same, I want a fucking proper PC screen god damn it.
>>69328133>>69328234>who fucking cares about TV faggots, give me true black monitors>Same, I want a fucking proper PC screen god damn it.MicroLED is true black. At this rate you're going to be more likely to get an affordable MicroLED screen on your desk than an affordable OLED. MicroLED PC monitors are likely to show up way before TVs due to the sizes.
>>69326979Micro in Micro LED means that the LED is very tiny. Regular LEDs used for lighting up your house, shelves, etc are simply too big to put together to form a mobile display. Regular LEDs are known for their efficiency, brightness, longevity and more. They are simply the best solution for a display when shrunk to the size of regular LCD pixels. But you get the advantages of OLED, with it being very thin, not needing a backlight, showing more stunning colors, brightness, foldability, etc. There are no downsides known to Micro LED other than the current high manufacturing costs which are being pushed down as quickly as possible by the industry because of their benefits.
>>69328499Other than the manufacturing cost, increased manufacturing mistake rate, reduced lifespan due to shrinkage, and increased potential for broken LEDs proportional to the cell quantity increase. Let's not forget increased sensitivity.
>>69326973>AND SONYDoesn’t Sony just use Samsung or LG panels?Sony is doing OLED because it’s the best you can get right now but if microLED becomes a thing they’ll just use that.
>>69327229>>69327289the patent litigation was resolved when canon decided tp pull the plug
>>69327346>Quantum dot displays actually would be another step up and better than either microLED and OLEDin what way? blacker black than black? wait, can oled do actual white?
>>69327943the panels are quite big, and one such panel as a monitor would be great
>>69328708I can't handle anything bigger than 27", and even 27 is pushing it, would be nice if 26" was a thing.
modularity is great2 seperate screens can merge to become one
>>69328124I've had my 2016 OLED for almost three years now. It's still as good as new, despite thousands of hours of use. Are you just dumb, or do you get paid to spout misinformation?
>>69328585yes AF9 and new AG9 they both use LG oled display
>>69326973God dammit, her cinematrogapher SUCKS.
>>69326973why is she posted everywhere? She has no idea how anything even works
>>69328696Wider colour gamut.
>>69327335Sony has had quantum dots for 5 years and they aren't working on shit because it is not the way to gofull black contrast is an expensive meme
>>69326973>Bought OLED in 2018 when a 55" was 1k>Will buy a MicroLED in 2022 when the tech is affordableUh, what a bad decision to buy OLED, I lie awake at night.
we now could have ultrathin CRT...don't even mean SED or FED
>>69329003what if it washers out or burns in within the next year?
>>69328960>full black contrast is an expensive memeYeah, but it's the only thing that matters aside from price. Just go to any home electronics retailer and look at the TVs. There's hardly any difference between the $300 chink 4K LEDs and the premium on-brand ones. What always stands out though are the OLEDs with their deep blacks. They always stand out above everything else.Whatever tech can produce deep blacks without burn-in will be the future.
>>69329059it certainly won't, you need about 2500 hours of relatively static image to burn in an OLED and I barely use it 5 hours a week.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOcLasaRCzY
>>69329124>what if it washers out
>>69326973Sounds like we're finally going to get computer display technology worthy of replacing CRTs.About fucking time.
>>69327229I wonder if she agreed like milk
>>69329124mid video, on CNN news part, 1000 hours is like 6-7 weeks of use for medead tech.
>>69328397>MicroLED PC monitors are likely to show up way before TVs due to the sizes.Are you really so dense? The individual diodes are too fucking big for anything with DPI useful for monitors. That's why the presented 4K TV was 75". Currently we have no way of crushing the diode size down to 4K at 30" and less.
>>69329340i'd be fine with 1440p
>>69328946>BT.2020 covers human vision>We need to go further>UV and IR TVs for absolutely natural color!>"I can see the difference" says a self proclaimed videophile
>>69329140I watch about 5 hours a week, absolute maximum, 10. Let's assume 7.5 hours a week, 53 weeks a year, not calculating with holdiays. That means the TV runs about 400 hours a year. It certainly won't wash out within 1600 hours of moderate, not HDR exclusive use.Even if it did, 55" are like 900€ all the time.Enthusiasts swap their Smartphone every year, just like their GPU, both are very similarly priced and age way worse, way faster. I don't get why people are hating on OLED so much. Yeah they might degrade, so do nVidia GPUs.
>>69329073sure but high-end full back lit 100hz LEDs are good enough for most people
>>69329367>BT.2020 covers human visionyou know it's not true when it comes to actual panels, standard is perfect sure, but it was never executed fully yet
>>69329334You watch TV for 24 Hours a god damn day and watch nothing but CNN? Jesus I'm sorry.
>>69329441I use monitor 15-16 hours a day mostly for text, yes, it's still a dead tech for PC use.
>>69329462Well for PC use obviously, but I'm not trying to make that argument.
>>69329340If the diode size allows 43-49 inch 4k TVs to exist than that would be good enough for your usual sized 1080p/1440p monitors to exist
>>69329544call me when real manufacturer adopts the techfor now "gibe us monies pls" statements won't do.assuming their process works, easy to implement and LG/samsung/auopotronics bother with it, it would mean microLED monitors are 3-4 years away at the very least
Reading about new displays makes me sad.How come technology has been literally degrading for years? Why are people happy buying overpriced shit that looks worse than what they had years ago?I think I'm going to buy a 2nd CRT monitor this year.
>>69327055>Samsung>Take your suicide bomber technology somewhere else, thanks.What does this have to do with MicroLED display technology exactly?
>>69327180microled pc monitors. it's still only oled tvs around.
>>69329729can you buy new anywhere? are there any 1080p ones around? How do i connect it through displaport/hdmi?
>>69329822>can you buy new anywhere?No you silly willy, you buy them used because they stopped making them back in 2005>are there any 1080p ones around?Of course, but you're gonna have a hard time finding one. Lowest end monitors can still do 720p and 1080i though.>How do i connect it through displaport/hdmi?If your GPU doesn't have DVI analog connector, you can use a signal converter box.
>>69329870so, may as well start using floppy discsready to bet old used CRTs are burned out and do not come close to a modern IPS, got any measurements to disprove that?
>>69329904Don't be a retard
>>69329693>Sources?Sources on basic common sense that should be taught to you in high school? Sure:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_ratehttps://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/4381554.pdfShrinkage Stress. Something you should also have been taught in high school physics and chemistry underage illiterate, which projects across materials as well as complex structures such as electronic components.
>>69330019ah, same old picture of a TN $120 monitor from 2004 compared to CRT from 2003.
I'll wait for my quantum dot microled displays thanks
>>69330108You are right.It's not fair for the CRT since those old TN panels had better blacks than modern IPS panles.
>>69330019>shitty office TN from 2001 that comes free with your DUDE DELL vs quality CRTgee i wonder why it wins
>>69330164Modern panels have even worse contrast, don't delude yourself.
>>69330126You know that TNs always had worse black than IPS? do you have numbers for white and black points on used CRTs or not?
>>69330173Don't embarrass yourself.
>>69330173give me numbers. here is modern ones, find me better on used CRT, i'm not arguing contrast on CRT when they were new was better
>>69330088What do any of these links have to do with microLED specifically retard?
>>69330179>>69330193>>69330212CRTs still have better contrast than any modern panel except OLED.You'd have to be a blind retard to not notice that.CRTs also feature crystal clear motion at 60Hz since they are not sample&hold.Unlike shitty LCD technology where you have to pay premium for a 120Hz panel with strobbing in order to achieve the very same effect for basic motion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjTgz9byxuoYou literally cannot prove me wrong because these are FACTS.
Threadly reminder that in order not to destroy your OLED monitor you'd have to:>auto hide taskbar>auto hide title bars>auto hide menus>auto hide status bars>auto hide scrollbars>use dark themes wherever possible>force internet sites darkening by extensions like 'turn off the lights'
>>69330214>what does increased cell quantity and technology shrinkage have anything to do with a technology whose main point is shrinkage and increasing cell quantity?Why don't you think about that for a moment.In fact don't, you are obviously too retarded for this board or to involve yourself in this topic when you lack even basic high school education. Go back to re-educating yourself underage.
>>69330258who the hell even argues that OLEDs would make good monitors? They don't and everybody knows that.
>>69330279>Post damaged low end CRTWhat are you trying to prove you absolute brainlet retard.
>>69327006Most people that do that have a better social/sex life than you.
>>69330279would the grid be completely 100% white on a non damaged screen?
>>69330248>they are not sample&holdwhat? that's exactly what they are. Last time I used CRT was in 2011, it was 100hz samsung, I replaced it with IPS Dell, it was an improvement because after 8 years of abuse that samsung was barely working.Buying used CRT is retarded.
>>69329367>>BT.2020 covers human visiondoes it include the slightly bigger violet spectrum of many women?
>>69330349>CRTs are sample&holdWhat happened to /g/?Why is everyone suddenly a single digit IQ retard?
>>69330302that's a whole lot of implying there>and a huge trigger kek
>>69326973>oled is kill>remaining oled stock becomes dirt cheap>oled stuff is affordable and sells like hotcakes Can't wait.
ok cool what's the cheapest 2k gsync monitor?
>>69330378You sound butt devastated
>>69330389>gsyncobsolete on 15th.
It should be a crime to own a CRT in current year, much like filament light bulbs and plastic straws.
>>69330390I'm not even the anon you were having your losing argument with fag. They were good for their
>>69330289>who the hell even argues that OLEDs would make good monitors?CES 2019 had a handful of these going into market in the coming months
>>69330108>compared to CRT from 2003should we compare it to a CRT from 1903 or what?
>>69330302You crt faggots make your shit out like it's infallible when it's clearly not and whats wrong with low-end CRTs? I thought you said CRTs where great? oh that's right there junk that y'all faggots won't even use.
>>69330419>I'm not even the anon you were having your losing argument with fagImagine thinking that you are fooling anyone with this 5th grade mental gymnastics.How fucking sad, you should kill yourself already to stop embarassing yourself.
>>6933040212/400 etc etc but ok, that didn't answer my question
>>69330424no, you should compare CRT monitor from 2003 to an IPS panel with 100+ FALD zones from 2018
>>69330451I will report on 15th how well it works in my 35-90 range.
>>69330436>You crt faggots make your shit out like it's infallible when it's clearly notI never said CRT were infallible, that's just your insecurities showing up again my retarded friend. They are still the superior tech when it comes to displays.
>>69330464>2019>still sticking to three primaries>shygddt
>>69327289Please elaborate. I'm still seething about SED/FED.
>>69330282There are a couple of microLED TVs manufactured at this point, but here you are concluding flaws with utmost certainty and deeming all of it a failure. Guess you're also employed at Samsung right, you fucking retard.
>>69330384hopefully by then they eradicated it's problemslike with Plasma, when they were finally good they died out
>>69330421what? it would be all over the news, it wasn't even mentioned once.
>>69330512>but here you are concluding flaws with utmost certainty >youReplace "you" with "science taught in high school" which you of course dropped out of seeing as you are too dumbfuck to comprehend basic shit. But that's okay, i don't expect a marketing shill to understand basic physics and chemistry. I do expect you to act oblivious to it since you simply have no other option, except maybe to go back to high school.
>>69330403It should be a crime to sell LCDs
>>69330403I own all of them.I even own an AT form factor computer.
>>69330471>They are still the superior tech when it comes to displays.It's display tech that's fucking fragile, it take so little to fuck up a perfectly good image and I'm not just talking about the fact they're made of glass.Yes CRTs still have some advantages to even this day I'm not going to argue with you about that but there are perfectly valid reasons we gave up on those several hundred pound monsters
>>69330558A shill for what? I only asked about sources and an article about failure rates confirms microLED is DOA, right, you fucking idiot? There are more than two people in this thread retard. Got em good, right?
>>69330585so, irrelevant laptops and "no product" announcementyou made it sound like something got announced, hopes shattered.
>>69330604>there are perfectly valid reasons we gave up on those several hundred pound monstersther is only one, and you stated it. Had CRT screens been flat and lightweight, we'd still use them to this day.
>>69330629Everything has a potential to be DoA you fucking idiot, and shrinked technology, that is to say more quantitatively complex technology, has an exponentially larger rate, articles to which you were provided. This translates to both larger DoA rates, higher production costs to mend for failure rates, etc. That also includes lifespan decrease, also covered in articles. Cry about it. This projects across all technology regardless of name or nature, as it's a scientific and engineering law.
>>69330641draw around 30w power, do not murder your eyes with flickering and do not burn out in 3 years making white not whit
>>69330638http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/blog/dell-alienware-oled-55-display-with-120hz-refresh-rate/You can always go for the humongous alienware
>>69328499We haven't yet seen a microLED display with similar DPI to what can be achieved with LCD and OLED. As I understand, reliably making high-DPI microLED panels isn't exactly easy at this point. Fuckhuge 'wall' TVs are one thing because they have lower DPI due to the size, shrinking the same number of pixels into regular TV size or monitor size of smartphone size isn't necessarily trivial.
>>69330673I guess 10 yo CPU should be all failing now then, TUBES, tubes is the answer to all failures of course, they are big and reliable!
>>69330688they market tv as a monitor, the alienware way.
>>69330707They do fail at a higher rate you fucking idiot.From the very manufacturers themselves the Silicon Lottery statistics are well covered on historical grounds with each shrinkage iteration, showcasing increased instability and progressively increasing failure rates with each shrink cycle as well as decreased lifespan, leading to slowly increasing costs. All data easy to google and research as well you dumb illiterate.
>>69329367BT2020Cover pointer gamut( thousand objects real life colors).Real human vision is above BT2020.Today high end cameras gets better than BT2020 in color.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2020Still CIE1931 had a lot greens.
>>69330258Not watch anime, since subs destroys it aswell
>>69330421Well that might be true, but did anyone seriously defend it on /g/? Just because it exist doesn't mean anyone on here says it's a good idea.People here always strawman that OLED would be a horrific monitor due to burn-in and it totally is, but next to nobody on /g/ ever made that argument in the first place. OLEDs are perfect TVs for people like me who don't watch a lot of TV, but want something decent for when they do. I don't think anyone on /g/ would even make the argument that OLEDs are a good TV for good old Football-Dad that watches Football whenever he's not busy drinking or beating up his kids.
>>69330975You do realise you can just change the subtitles from the bright white letters to something greyish, or even cycle colors?
>>69330999You realize that would be extremely annoying
>>69330784>just easy Google search bro>that microLED or some shit is shit bro, don't buyEvery idiot can find an article for failure rates in manufacturing and make ridiculous conclusions. Good thing you've done your research on not yet commercially available technology and answered all of this for us right here retard.
>>69331149Nah, I merely balanced out an extreme dumbshit argument which said there is nothing negative about technology shirnkage and increased technological complexity, when there is, with articles covering it, and you then being a butthurt dumbshit shill without high school education. That's the gist of everything.
>>69329425The funny thing is the OLED's tested showed no signs of brightness/color degredation but the IPS panel they tested was fucked.
>>69329425OLED degradation is not the same thing as a graphics card becoming outdated due to increased performance and/or feature requirements. OLED degrades and becomes worse and worse in regards to its core functionality, which is displaying images. A graphics card does not become worse in and of itself, the card I bought in 2016 does not have lower performance in 2019 than it did when it was fresh out of the box. It won't perform worse in 2022 either, the games and applications it currently runs well will continue to run well indefinitely, or until it suffers complete failure eventually.OLED gradually becomes worse and worse and worse at its job, it's not about getting outdated. It's not the same at all. If you get burn-in or other degradation then that's that, it's entirely fucked and will NEVER perform to its full image quality ever again, while a graphics card will always be able to run its contemporary software.
>>69327229Deled thisCRT - most of its inherent downsides > OLED - most of its inherent downsidesNobody wants to admit it
>>69331027In what way would it be annoying to set subtitles to a greyish color once on your device? It takes like 1 minute to do and is far superior to white text in dark scenes as it won't hurt your eyes as much as well. >>69331253Well that's true, but the LG might've just been a shitty device from the start.>>69331443Yeah, just like nVidia gimps its cards with time and they become worse in what they do. But jokes aside, while what you say might be true, OLED devices are still mostly enthusiast devices, just like high-end GPU/CPU/RAM. People are ready to pay 1k for stuff that they'll use for 2-3 years and then get something new, whether it performs like the day they bought it, or not. It's just not a concern of them, if you're a different kind of consumer, all power to you and go ahead and buy a FALD or simple LCD. I don't judge your decision, so I don't get why you judge that of others. If somebody knows the downsides of OLED, but still makes a concious decision to get it, due to his usecase, why shouldn't he?
Thank fuck.OLED has god tier colors but has a pitiful lifespan.If this tech has OLED tier colors and doesn't suffer from the burn in issue, then it can't become a standard fast enough.
Even better question is this: Do you even need something that size in your house?
>>69332170>2025 at earliest>somehow they will fuck this up tooBut yeah, add full 10-bit processing to that and it's the pinnacle of my display dreams. I don't need anything else.
>>69332238The only thing that will take to 2025 is the MicroLED panel itself, everything else will be in displays this year, LG already has there 120hz OLED
>>69332189I would gladly turn one of my walls into a tv screen.
>>69330696Samsung showed a 75" micro led display this year. Ill buy a 65" one when they come out.
>>69332895Even if it's $30k?
>>69332251A fucking trashbin, where all the fucking anime come fromFucking degenerates, why can't you just fucking die
Do people really have outstanding issues with their current monitors?It's not going to be that much better, and until like 3 different manufacturers mass produce mled monitors their price is going to be way too high.
>>69333354o-okay... i'm sorry :(
>>69333405Everyone secretly hates their shitty LCD screens and miss CRTs but they pretend the convenience and low weight is worth the shitty picture and motion.
>>69333449>Everyone secretly hates their shitty LCD screens and miss CRTsAre you 80?
>>69333543Only zoomers who only had composite CRT TVs think they looked worse.
>>69333449I too enjoy having to fiddle with geometry settings settings just to get a st straight picture everytime the resolution changesThere are more reasons than just weight that CRTs went away bud
>>69333593I admit that CRTs are not ideal for still pictures and office wage slave software.But for browsing, movies and video games they are still superior at 60Hz.
>>69333316Lel no, but for a tv that can theoretically last forever I'll spend $3k.
>>69333405>Do people really have outstanding issues with their current monitors?yes. as much as I think CRT fag is wrong, if I could buy new 100hz 1080p 24" CRT monitor with around 50w power draw I would.
>>69333682CRTs don't draw a lot of powerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9-UurN1q2w
>>69333624>But for browsing, movies and video games they are still superior at 60Hz.Cool, so, how many 60 Hz fucking CRT monitors can you find in this day and age? Are trackball mice also superior?
>>69333760>how many 60 Hz fucking CRT monitors can you find in this day and age?A lot? Are you implying that they are hard to find? Do you live in the middle of nowhere?
>>69333634Oh, okay. It'll probably be at least the late 2020s before the price drops that low, so I hope you're patient :)
>>69333776>A lot?Where? >Are you implying that they are hard to find?Uhhhhhhh, maybe? Who in their right mind uses a fucking CRT monitor in this day and age?
>>69333814You're so brainwashed by the media that it's funny.
>>69333861>You're so brainwashed by the media that it's funny.Keep fiddling with geometry settings every time your resolution changes. Also, this has something to do with (((them))), right?
>>69333949You sound butt devastated
>>69326973Micro LED is expensive and will not be the standard in television by 2020, that's just retarded.
>>69333993>i know, but I won't tell you bro>(((they)))'re poisoning you sheep>>>/x/
>>69334219Based brainlet retard
>>69334228>i ain't tellin' you bro>implying you aren't just shitposting and talking about nothing at this point
>>69331253>the IPS panel they tested was fucked.Surely a lemon.
>>69334405>y-you're j-just shitpostinglmao, kill yourself you retardo
>>69332170they can do insane hz with microled like 200-300hz ez
>>69326973BUT are dead LEDs swappable?
>>69334194it wont be standard, first monitors and tv's will hopefully start coming out, obviously the price will be insane just like the first lcd's, i remember when parents bought be one of the first tn lcd samsung monitor it costed like 700euro~ and had only 1280×1024. So expect microled monitors 24" fullhd costing like 1000$ at first.
>>69334769>So expect microled monitors 24" fullhd costing like 1000$ at firstHAHAHAI think you forgot a couple of zeroes, buddy
>>69334795sure if they market it as some "pro" or "medical" or some other screen, im talking about first general use monitors that will be marketed towards average pc users.
>>69333634>early adopter expects his purchase to last foreveroh I'm laffinwait a few years my dude, early models may have any number of crippling defects that are potentially unrelated to the displays themselves.
>>69333624No this is not possible and would contradict the huge increase in sharpness a LCD has over a CRT. For browsing in particular there is no match between even a below average LCD and a high quality CRT. For movies and video games most people would prefer a crisp image over the superior contrast levels of a CRT compared to LCD that only really matters at extreme tails.I am a big fan of CRT (have FW900) since I play a lot of retro games, but for watching movies and modern video games the crisp image a modern LCD (VA) or OLED is simply superior. Comparing the image quality of my Q9 or my to a FW900 isn't fair, it destroys it.If you don't plan on playing retro games (there are serious advantages here for CRT), there is no reason to get a CRT.
>>69334769Micro LED will not be produced with that low of a resolution or screen size, that is a complete waste of money for any company that would produce it due to cost.
>>69334929>most people would prefer a crisp image over the superior contrast levels of a CRTThen why would people choose the LCD if it becomes blurry as soon as the camera in any game moves?We're not talking about preimum 120Hz panels with strobbing.Have you considered the possibility of the common consumer being technologically illiterate?
>>69334945thats how they produce them right now, like 3screens for 75inch 4k setup, there are no bezels so they can just glue them.
>>69334877First thing, Micro LED monitors won't out in 2020, or 2021, or 2022.Second thing, they'll cost a hell of a lot more than $1k when they do come out. Right now, even regular old LCDs with local dimming and just a few hundred LEDs cost $2k. A 4k (full HD would never happen) Micro LED monitor would need nearly 25 MILLION LEDs. They don't even have a manufacturing process to make these even relatively inexpensively, let alone the factories to do it. All that shit is still in ongoing development, and will take billions of dollars more in investment before it has a chance of seeing the light of day as a consumer product.
Even if Samsung can get them down to the realm of consumer TVs in the 4 years they projected, they'll probably be replacing their high-end Q9. Aka $3000 and up for TVs. Monitors nowhere for years.I wouldn't expect anything for a good decade. In the meantime I'll be getting a 4k @ 120hz LG OLED. Hopefully Nvidia or AMD will put out a GPU with HDMI 2.1 soon
>>69327020>>69327052what people don't get is that this is an absurdly advanced technology for something as dumb as consumer TVs. it's unnecessarily complex
>>69335042>put bunch of led on a pcb>incredibly complexnot really complex, as in its hard to manufacturer, because of mled sizes... the idea actually is fairly simple and smart.
>>69335027What a fucking sad state of affairs when TV manufacturers are developing and pushing out more advance tech than PC OEMs and just think that pcmr type faggots make fun of the notion of owning a TV
>>69334975It's not my experience with modern LCD monitors, which have strong software to deal with any native issues of LCD technology. It's not really a drawback if there are alternatives to fix it that existence on the market.>We're not talking about preimum 120Hz panelsI don't see why not, if you are going to compare average LCD to average CRT, the LCD will win every time as you need a very high-end CRT to even display resolutions of most modern content so I'm not sure how you would even do this comparison as CRT monitors was never really produced in wide screen format except for a few select models. Good native contrast doesn't really matter if the crispness and brightness of the monitor makes it look washed out. If people want to watch movies or play modern games on CRT, more power to them, but it's not something I would recommend to anyone or do myself.
>>69335007lol, you will be able to buy microled tv this year @ Samsung told that them self at CES the tv will be 75inch and 219inch sizes
>>69327113It's just blantant corporate market disgusted as anons
>>69335118Simple, but terribly expensive because the only way of doing it at TV sizes right now is to pick-and-place every single one of the 25 million tiny LEDs needed for a 4k display onto a PCB. It takes forever, and is why these things cost six figures.The other way of doing it - using a similar method to chip manufacturing - doesn't scale up for large displays, but we'll probably see them on smartphones, watches, and VR headsets in a couple years.
>>69335155>if you are going to compare average LCD to average CRT, the LCD will win every timeThen why do my LCD monitors lose when it comes to contrast and clear motion?I own both, including a high end IPS monitor and it still shits the bed on contrast and motion.You can fire up Sonic 1 on an emu and watch the entire background go blurry as fuck on it but it will be crystal clear on the CRT monitor.Modern games and movies are no different, it's just harder to notice because it's 3D content and not a 2D platformer.
>>69334981Sure, and your problem is in what you just wrote. They are not going to create 1080p panels for a technology that is cutting edge for TVs which are not produced below 4K anymore.MicroLED PC monitors will have ridiculous price no matter what screen size for this reason.
>>69335156And it will cost at least in the mid five-figures, guaranteed. Also don't expect the price to come down much at all until they sort out the manufacturing.
>>69335201the price tag of supposed to be released 75" samsung mled tv in 2019 will be around 20000-30000$.
>>69335128TV manufacturers are largely the same ones that make monitor panels. LG, Samsung, and AUO are the big monitor panel manufacturers. LG, Samsung, TCL, and some other chinese companies are the big TV manufacturers, with LG being the only large format OLED manufacturer IIRC.In the first place home cinema had more competition and progress. It was just the late CRT and early LCD days where PCs demanded better quality, mostly because of business demands for better resolution and color; IPS was even made because of business demand for better color for printing. But I'm guessing things stagnated because businesses decided IPS is good enough, while home cinema is always asking for better quality, closer to movie theaters, and more competition because big box retailers like Best Buy have entire separate sections for home cinema demoing
>>69331253what test are you even talking bout
>>69335233Source? $30k would be on the low end of mid five figures. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if it came in that way. Still miles (and years) away from being priced as a mass market consumer display, though.
>>69335270One of the LCDs used in Rtings first long term burn in tests has started showing some backlight defects in the last few weeks of testing: https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
>>69332248>HDRis SDR for microLED
>>69335215IPS panels generally have low native contrast ratios, a more valid comparison would be with VA panels as they typically have 3 times the contrast ratio of IPS panels if this is what you want to compare. Objectively, obviously the native contrast ratio will still be better on a CRT but in terms of noticeable difference I don't some synthetic measurement is relevant when the perceived difference is negligible.>You can fire up Sonic 1 on an emu and watch the entire background go blurry as fuck on it but it will be crystal clear on the CRT monitor.Yes, I own a FW900 which I play a lot of retro games on. Retro games look better on CRT because there is no resampling which a LCD monitor has to do if you want to play it at the native resolution of the screen.>Modern games and movies are no different, it's just harder to notice because it's 3D content and not a 2D platformer.Disagree, the crisp image quality of LCD is simply superior to me and most people. I have never had anyone over at my house who would prefer watching film on my CRT to my Q9FN, this just isn't a fair comparison. But if you prefer that, that's your experience and I'm not going to argue that point though I find it a bit strange.
>>69333624>CRTs are not ideal for still pictures>>69334929>huge increase in sharpness a LCD has over a CRT.where do these memes come from?
>>69335376You don't understand what I'm referring to.LCDs are only crisp when displaying still images, but shit the bed on anything that moves. Watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjTgz9byxuoYou can't get the clear motion back unless you pay premium for a 120Hz panel with strobbing.This is a HUGE advantage that CRTs still ahve over LCDs.
>>69335007>Right now, even regular old LCDs with local dimming and just a few hundred LEDs cost $2k.what country and what $ are we talking here?
>>69335427USD, and I'm talking about monitors - specifically the Acer X27 and ASUS PG27UQ, the only two FALD monitors currently available. Not talking about TVs.
>>69335418I don't see what the point is, you need a high hz monitor to have this effect be a problem and every high hz monitor you can buy these days will have LightBoost or ULMB. Saying it is paying premium isn't really relevant.
>>69335522Forgot about the Dell UP2718Q and Asus PA32UC, so add those to the list.
>>69335564>Saying it is paying premium isn't really relevantHow so?Literally any CRT can do crystal clear motion while normal LCDs on the market can't.
>>69335585Because you have hundreds of LCD monitors to buy that does not have this issue.
>>69335522Blame Asus and Acer for that shitThere is no reason FLAD monitors need to cost that much but oh since it's for PC use and both companies are rather uncontested lets jack the price 3x of what it's suppose to be
>>69335616Why do I have to pay premium for a "feature" that was considered standard 2 decades ago?
>>69335617It has more to do with these being low volume products than it does greed. The Dell is still $1500.
Fucking LCD a pro monitor for good colors will be shit at gaming, and a gaming moinitor shit at colors.while a pro CRT is also perfect for gaming.
>>69335643Because it's proprietary technology not really relevant to the production of the panel itself, you can blame the companies I guess. And you didn't have to pay premium because it was not part of the manufacturing process, if they could, you would pay for it.
>>69335720So we went 1 step forward and 5 backwards for display technology in the last decades.
>>69335660Still rather annoying that a TV can give you a somewhat better value than monitors canThe only thing I ever use is a PC and yet I'm more interested in the TV market place because they are honestly doing more for alot less
>>69335376>>69335418Few things. LCDs fundamentally work differently from CRTs. One is an electron gun that bombards the phosphors on a panel behind the glass to make it light up, the other is like an electrically controlled color filter that lets light pass. LCDs are slow to change color, hence the 2-20ms response time. That causes ghosting, which is probably what people mean by clarity. That's probably not what >>69335418 is talking about.The difference in clarity comes from how they work and how they treat "refresh rate". LCDs can hold their colors, so for an LCD the refresh rate is how often a color is told to change, and the hypothetical refresh rate is determined by how fast the aforementioned response time is (and in reality the cost of controller and the quality of physical electric traces and what not), ideally the panel should be able to make 80% of the transition within the time allotted for a single refresh. For 60hz 1 frame gets 16.67ms. 60hz is standard now because TNs are a reference for LCDs. Since LCD can hold their color the typical control scheme is for the LCD to sample and hold the color for the entire duration of a single frame time slice, so hold for 16.67ms on a 60hz monitor. CRTs can't hold color it's an electron bombardment so the image doesn't actually get retained by anything, the phosphor get energy and light up then immediately begin to dim. So for a CRT the refresh is literally how often the bombardment happens, i.e. how often the phosphors get refresh so they can light up again. That's why you notice the scanline flicker on CRT and why people could notice the strobing. It's native to the technology. Why does CRT work for most people then? If it dims it should be noticeable. Well our eyes kind of sample and hold too, which is why we see motion blur in moving objects, so for many people the CRT dimming/refreshing is not noticeable even at 60hz and for almost everyone at 72 or 100hz. But that's a problem for LCD
400hz monitor when?Fuck your 2nK, 1080p is fine
>>69335802>problem for LCDLCD holds the images back to back and they have blur (slow response) when changing too. As it turns out even with OLED, which has <1ms response times in most cases still look almost as "blurry" or lack the clarity of CRT and plasma (which works in a similar way as CRT) because our eyes don't detect the change quickly enough. The only way to get our eyes to react quicker I guess is to insert black frames or strobe the backlight. Hopefully when OLED monitors become more common, manufacturers will push the native refresh (not necessarily the input from the PC) of the OLED to 240hz or 600hz and just do a ton of black or dark frame insertion to get the same look at CRT
LG showed a microled tv last year too
>>69336599And Sony in 2012
Led starts losing quality by the half of their lives span. Oled stays constant till the end.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOcLasaRCzY
>>69336820I'd get a new TV by that time...who keeps a TV for more than 16 years?
>>69337554why not if it works that long
>>69336820I was just about to post this.MicroLED does look damn amazing though.
Regardless, I think we can all agree that 8k is a meme resolution.
>>693394588K is the only resolution that can truly be called high definition.
>>69335042>absurdly advanced technology for something as dumb as consumer TVsTVs always had the newest screen tech you damn zoomer. Maybe you're too young for the Trinitron days, but display tech always went TV first, then monitors a few years later.
>>69326973jesus that bitch is annoying.
>>693405048k is higher than we can see though
>>69335617>>69335577>>69335522you can get samsung qled monitor for like 500$
>>69340805Doesn't have FALD
>>69326973She needs to buy a fucking lav mic
>>69330317What a bizarre comeback. Stop projecting.
>>69340816so why wouldnt they introduce this to monitors? I mean they already producing qled monitors, and tv's with fald, they can just add premium to monitors?
>>69340854They have, see >>69335522 and >>69335577Also the Asus PA32UCX that was just announced >>>69333733
>>69340854Or you mean Samsung specifically? Who knows, maybe they don't think there's a big enough market for it.Most of Samsung's monitors are VA panels, which do sort of okay with contrast ratio already.
>>69337554i bought samsung tv like 10+years ago, still using it, the only problem with it, it auto turns on, so its probably nearing death
>>69326973>let create a new technology that is not cheaper than before,panels fags are desperate. Panels are what smart phones are going to be shit no one cares about. You peaked, it is good enough, and no one cares unless your reduce prices.
>>69340882ye im specifically talking about samsung, they are already producing qled monitors, so why not produce qled fald monitors, unless they have some problems? remember reading that fald had bad viewing angles and blooming effect?
>>69340915Viewing angles depend on the panel type, not the backlight. All the FALD monitors released so far have been IPS, so viewing angles aren't an issue.Haloing has been a problem though, yeah, and that's the downside of using IPS since they don't block light as well. Haloing is less visible on VA panels, but those don't have the viewing angles IPS does.
>>69326973>not buying a new TV with every generation of technologyLook at this poorfag here.
>>69340940>Haloing is less visible on VA panels, but those don't have the viewing angles IPS does.which leads to VA glow from bad viewing angles.
>>69335617they are expensive to make has something to do with it. there are some cheap FALD monitors with 8 zones or something, they are shit. I think LG one.Acer one got 180 dimming zones = expensive to make.But seriously id' get one if it wasn't 4k, why can't they make same monitor but 1440p? fuck 4k i'm not ready to spend $1.5k on GPU
>>69340854>I mean they already producing qled monitorsIt's nto what you think it is. It's still normal IPS panels with additional coating. FALD is actually pretty cool since it fixes IPS contrast issues when there is enough zones around.
>>69341824because if they made 1440p they couldnt demand such high premium on it.
>>69341849I would pay ~$1k for it. I like good contrast. That new asus one with 1000 zones probably around $3k. We are getting into audiophoolerry territory here.
What could have been:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_displayBetter than any LED shit.
>>69341891you see there is a big difference between 1k $ and 3k $, while there isnt a big price difference between 1440p panels and 4k panels for manufacturers.
>>69342021yeah, but volume >margins1k monitors surely sell more than 3k monitors and make more money even if 3k monitors have big margins
>>69341824The Acer and Asus have 384 zones
>>69342039yes soon enough as more and more manufacturers adopt fald you will see cheaper designs
>>69337889>why not if it works that longbecause 16 years has to have worthwhile upgrades somewhere in there.
>>69340627>reloads his anti-woman rifle
>>69341985>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_displaynot flat enough
Based iJustine at CES
>>69344060that is flat enough, and would be flatter by nowgood LCD Tvs back then were not thinner
>>69344125She's so quirky
>>69343951>has to have worthwhile upgradesno it does not have to
>>69341748what about SVA from Samsung
>>69340905>You peaked15-20 years ago...
>>69336820>Led starts losing quality by the half of their lives spanwhich is? 100 years?>Oled stays constant till the endwhich is? 5 years?
>>69340665yes HD-ready and 24fps is the visible max
>>69330317>Social/Sex life is all that mattersStop consuming Jewish media
>>69344178it is still VA, they are better now, but color still shifts unlike IPSmonitor choice is always compromise, you get either VA glow or IPS glow, i'm used to IPS glow it's only noticeable in very dark scenes at night, and can be lowered by have a bit of light in the room at nightYou can't fix VA glow like this, it would always be shit at certain distances, angles
>>69328556>ncreased manufacturing mistake rate, reduced lifespan due to shrinkage, and increased potential for broken [pixels] proportional to the cell quantity increase.yeah, because none of that applies to other display technologiesby the way, for you redditors out there, this post was sarcastic
>>69344060my lcd from 2017 is thicker
>>69344125This is sped up like 3x, so she did that shit for like over a minute. Could women be ANY more cringy?
>>69335007>>69335219don't worry anon, your OLED will be dead by the time microLED comes out
>still on 1080pAm I missing something?
>muh CRTsyeah, I too loved the radiation destroying my eyes, their high power usage, their weight, their high prices...
>>69345194>CRT is bad for the eyes>"That computer thing will make you blind!"Hi grandma. Go back to your grave.
>>69344125Is this how female autism looks like?
>>69327061>most of us just have an LEDnobody has an LED display
>>69329426don't call LED-backlit LCD's "LEDs", it's confusing, especially now with the emergence of soon-to-be-competing MicroLED displays, which are completely different
>>69333449this is true, whether they want to admit it or notthat or they're just blind>>69343998>i dislike <guy>>"what do you have against him, bro?">i dislike <gal>>"what do you have against literally all women, bro?"
>>69345401>>i dislike <guy>>>"what do you have against him, bro?">>i dislike <gal>>>"what do you have against literally all women, bro?"It's just how white male brains are wired. The only other race as mentally ill as this are the pajeets
>>69345211>>CRTs are not bad for the eyeskys, fucking retardI bet you only ever used your computers to play games.
I have a 2015 lcd panel. Will I be amazed at the quality of a new oled?
>>69346195CRTs are not worse than LCDs or bookks.
>>69344125this should be Harley Quinn's winning animationin Batman games.
>>69327030>Note 7 explosion incident>Every technology Samsung makes is bombRetard alert
>>69346294CRTs fucked up my eyesight.Ever since I started using LCD stuff the degradation of my eyesight almost stopped for the last 12 years or however long.I'm on the computer 10+ hours a day.I'm all for perfect black levels and high refresh rate, but CRT is dangerously obsolete.
>>69344975>>69341748if VA viewing angles are so shit why do lots of TVs use it
>>69346669Most people watch their TVs from relatively straight on and at a distance of like 6 to 13ft
>>69346664very scientific anecdotal evidence
>>69346728Hope you enjoyed it.I don't think you'll find specific scientific studies on CRT vs LCD impact on eyesight except for other anecdotes and reports.
>>69330677>do not murder your eyes with flickeringlitterally just use more than 80Hz
>>69330677>do not murder your eyes with flickeringpwm says hi
>>69341985>still has input lag and a fixed resolution
>>69333449I hated my CRT because i had to set it over 60hz, but it was not fast enough to 120hz, so 60hz content (i.e 90% of the shit i do) was stuttery as fuck on it.
>>69326973>computer monitors will be Micro LED-based>2020Asus just recently showed a Mini LED monitor with no pricing or availability. It'll be 2030 before casual consumers can get Micro LED monitors.I wish companies would try and push tech on monitors instead of "hey look, we made a curved monitor!"
>>69333760Pretty much any CRT can do over 60hz. I don't think you'll ever find a worthwhile CRT that doesn't support at least 75Hz.
>>69346278WHO IS THISI SEE HER POSTED ALL THE TIMEPLS RESPOND
>>69326973>literally exists as a showcase "product" and nothing more>can't be fabricated at scale, has to be taped together form smaller boards>no indicated cost because there is no process that would make it remotely competitivecall me in 2025 when you can actually buy one.
>>69333634>spend $30k in 2027 for "muh wall">in 2030 a better wall comes out for $10k>at least it lasts forever! (according to manufacturer estimates)you buy the best displays at the end of their manufacturing lifetime you retard, not the beginning.
>>69328118I know sony has made one for years, it's $10k though
>69331443>the card I bought in 2016 does not have lower performance in 2019it does if you bought nvidia
>>69329729>turn on old as fuck CRT from the late 90s that came with my first PC>fuzzy but still looks good regardless>all the colors look incredibly vivid and uniform compared to a flat panel>white actually looks like white (I forgot what real white looked like on a monitor)>black is very dark, and placed right next to all white on screen, there is zero bleed or trails, even in fast motionI forgot how much I loved these. I'm going to buy a 980ti and make a CRT-specific gaming build using some older parts.
>>69330688isn't that just an LG OLED TV rebranded?
>>69330975why would subs be a problem? they change constantly and these days 90% of them are styled, so you're not even overusing a single color. and on every modern player you can style non-styled subs yourself.