Anyone here actually thinking of buying this? Why?
>>69320151Yes because you should support the underdog even if they make inferior products.Fuck the green Jew
>>69320151I'm not buying it, but I might trade my 1080ti for it.
>>69320151yesfaster then my vega 64, has an open source driver
>>69320151Maybe, I'm thinking about it. Depends on what price I will be able to get it for.
I'll buy whatever offers the best performance for the money I'm willing to spend whenever I feel like I need an upgrade.
>>69320151Drivers will actually work, it should be good for Linux.If I get one I'm definitely dropping the power limit on it.
>>69320151i might get one to fuck around with . it will depend on heat/noise.
>>69320171This is dumb. Always buy the best product. Any loyalty is bullshit. AMD would be just as bad as Nvidea if they could get away with it.
>>69320151I'll be tax deducting it as a business expense then mining on it 95% of the time
>>69320268>I am dumb and don't understand that markets require competition in order for users to benefit
>>69320268You actually think Nvidia will provide you with good value if AMD goes bankrupt? What is wrong with you anon?
>>69320151Like with literally every piece of hardware I'll wait for real reviews and then wait for possible issues to be discovered. If I'm satisfied I'll buy it.
>>69320151>Anyone here actually thinking of buying this? Why?Because you're getting your moneys worth of HBM (valued at 300$) rather then getting jewed with gddr (60$)
>>69320268>AMD would be just as bad as Nvidea if they could get away with it.Brands are totally irrelevant in this story. It's not about AMD or Nvidia, it's about an unhealthy market at a risk of monopoly. You don't close down your only gas refinery if you have reason to believe neighboring country will rape you with price.
i will when there is a 8GB version
>>69320171>selling an inferior product for the same price than the competitioni don't think you understand who the jew is there...
>>69320413>for the same price than the competition>thanget out
>>69320151stay poor AMDrones
>>69321610>Only 11GB of vram for $1.1k
>>69321610so you buying a radeon 7 now? you can obviously afford one
>>69320151Vega drivers on loonix aren't the best, so I'm a little skeptical on that. I might buy it if it has SR-IOV however.
>>69321649>Thinking a Radeon 7 can actually use 16gb
>>69321649Funny how as soon as AMD announces a 16gb card the narrative becomes 8-11gb is insufficient for gaming. Where was everyone saying that before? I never heard it.
>>69321689>>69321717For gaming is indeed too much memory, but for some specific work its more it's alley.It nibbles the knees of the QUADRO RTX cards quite a bit, but most people, even here don't need QUADRO like jobs, so it's not a good consumer card, not until they release a 8GB version of course.
>>69321684i want to believe they'd leave sr-iov on for thie card, but they won't
>>69321659>AMDrones cant even afford their flagshipPoos BTFO
>>69320151Id buy it if it were $550
At the moment, raytrace is literally everything wrong with the game industry.It's a closed source cancer that literally only runs on windows 10, and the only game it runs is a literal EA turd "polished" by SJWs.But the 2080 and 2080ti are still quite dang fast cards even without using the cancer.
>>69321783Believe in the failed MI50s.
1TB memory bandwidth could be handy in some simulations. 16GB is also lot of memory for $700. Dissapointed it has less compute than a vega 64 but that memory is compelling.
>>69320151I’ll probably buy the $400 version since I’m going with a Ryzen cpu anyways might as well go full amd. I also don’t play video games so I don’t have to think about muh frame rates.
>>69320151Yea. This thing is absolutely gonna slay in video production and many workstation tasks, especially with 16gb HBM2 memory.that being said, if you don't have a freesync monitor and you just want to /v/, then there's absolutely no point in choosing this over a used 1080ti.>>69320214>open sourceif you're talking about linux, is the OS driver better than the nouveau garbage?
Nah. I'm fine with Vega 56 + Morpheus II cooler. VII is clearly just a "why not" move from AYYMD so I rather wait(TM) for Navi :^)
Yes because it's still better than my Vega 64 and because I'm not a /v/ manchild. Also I always wanted a 1TB bandwidth GPU
>>69322033>upgrading every generation
>>69320268>This is dumb. Always buy the best product. Any loyalty is bullshit. I agree>AMD would be just as bad as Nvidea if they could get away with it.I don't think so m8
>>69320268While I personally buy the best product for my use case, I do prefer people like them still exists so that I can still get to enjoy the benefits of the competition.t. 3 Ryzen and 2 i7 (one 2013), 1 Intel UHD IGP, 2 GeForce(one 2012) and 2 Radeon(one 2013, other in Ryzen APU)
Wait for benchmarks. I think it might be an overclocking champ but yet to be seen.
Get fucked Novideohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e9sFaBKSi4
>>69322145> I do prefer people like them still exists so that I can still get to enjoy the benefits of the competition.And then unironically complains about freeloaders. Shame anon, shame.
Possibly if we have full access to pro features. Otherwise I am waiting to see what they replace the wx9100 with.
>>69320171>>69320309>>69320333>>69320391>>69322141AMD had their chances, many of them and they never once not disappoint. It's throwing money into a dumpster fire at this point. It's time to let go. The claim of nvidia for price gouging is obtuse, pretending fps is the absolute metric for game performance, willingly ignoring the vast improvement in visual quality lending to further immersiveness from the introduction of ray tracing.
>>69322643some fine shilling anon
>>69321942Would be interesting if they leave multi client gpu virtualisation on. That'll make use of the 16gb vram.
>>69322643>Supporting a proprietary cancer that needs windows 10 to run
>>69321942>>69322752it'll be the deal of the year if it happens
>>69320441nice argument grammar loving nigger newfriend
>>69322799literally just dual-boot. Win10 LTSC for your /v/, linux/FreeBSD for everything else.
>>69320151saving for an rtx titan. might be able to afford it by next december
>>69322846It's not "literally just dual-boot", it's accepting a boot to your face.
>>69320151Maybe. I'll buy whatever is the best AMD card when Cyberpunk 2077 comes out, so either this or big Navi. Still haven't forgiven Leather Jacket Man for the shitshow that was Kepler, and I've generally liked my AMD cards more than my Nvidia ones in the past.
>>69322869i hope that works out for you anon, i really do
>>69322673>>69322799>Vulkan RT doesn't exist >It's FAKE NEWS>BUY AMD SIR
>>69322643>AMD had their chances, many of them and they never once not disappointIn what universe do you live? Anyone who wanted to has used AMD's mid-range GPUs perfectly fine and benefited from the competition in that sector. And here you are saying it's time for a monopoly. Fuck you.
>>69322643>they never once not disappoint.Have you only been following PC hardware for like a year? They've not disappointed tons of times, problem is people fall for Nvidia marketing regardless of the quality of the cards.
>>69322901Name one game.
>>69320268I will never buy intel again.
>>69322922>buy vega 56 pulse for 375 bux>undervolt and oc>150w power, runs at 1600mhz core (actual core), get decent performance and can play vr with some upscaling>card never goes above 60c under load and doesnt sound like a jet engine>radeon software has game recording, broadcasting and other stuff all within drivers that dont require loginboy i sure feel disappointed
>>69320151No, until the machine learning community builds proper libraries that work with amd cards, I'll stick to nvidia because if I'm gonna drop 700+ I'd like to have a multi-purpose card
>>69322643I'm not disappointed in my $250 580. I feel like chasing nothing but the flagship products of both companies is very unnecessary
>>69320151nah I'm fine with my rx480maybe if someone drops a dramatically better card than mine for something like 200 dolla I might upgrade, but not sooner. All I play is 1440p/60fps anyway.
>>69323069Yeah, Vega got hit really hard by mining and higher than expected HBM2 prices, but once prices came down to sane levels they became pretty great options.
>>69320151I'll buy it when it gets heavily discounted this Black Friday due to poor sales. I can see it hitting $400 like the Vega 64 did. I have to wait until the Zen 2 chip gets released so I know whether to go for it or an i9-9900k. If it doesn't go on sale, I'll probably get a regular 2080, or wait for Navi GPUs.
>>69320151No, but I don't see why anyone wouldn't. If its similar price to 2080 and similar performance, then why not? The upside over 2080 is 16 GB. The downside is no Raytracing (yet) and slightly higher TDP. On top of that, you reduce the nVidia's power over potential absolute monopoly. People who shouldn't get this are people who have lower budget, like most people. Or people who want higher performance like 2080ti.In my opinion, AMD has an advantage over nVidia due to the fact that they have twice the memory. Once Zen 2 comes with PCIe4, the HBM2's true potential might shine there.
>>69320151I skipped upgrading my 7970 in my desktop last spring and found a 1070 laptop for a $1000. Given the prices during the crypto-bubble it was a steal. Nvidia didn't put cut down cards in laptops for the 1000 series so they at least were not so jewish about that. I'm not lining up to preorder or anything but I sure as hell won't pay the 2000 series prices just out of principle
I really want to upgrade my old 3570K + 770 system, but for now I'll wait just a little longer and see whether there will be 11 series cards or not.I can still wait until December or even next January, but that's the limit.
>>69323288VII doesn't even have dlss though.
>>69323490>dlssOh you mean SSAA?
>>69323490dlss is a bit of a cancer as you have to pay nvidia to run a neural network bullshit and create a file specific for your game.It's not something you can just go and enable on any 3D accelerated PC title as you can do with all the other forms of AA.
>>69320151Good driver support on Linux
>>69323534It literally looks and performs the same as SSAA.>>69323517
>>69323544My next rig will definitely be a Linux gaymen rig, so that's something to consider.
>>69323490dlss and rtx are just more gimmicks to throw into the pile next to physx and hairworks
>>69323288VII is only a pcie 3.0 card though
>>69323595>Linux gaming rigDon't do this
>>69320151Yes once the price drops to $600. It is a little faster than a RTX 2080 at roughly the same price. Best of all i wont be supporting Nvidia.
>>69323628Go fuck yourself. This is set in stone and will happen. Why would I stay on Windowns?
>>69323517This is why HU did not get a RTX 2060
>>69323517>Nvidiots actually believed this would give you 4k quality with 1800p performance prior to release
>>69323675Yup, Nvidia is butthurt.What are these reviewers thinking? That they can just review things independently? I don't think so.
>>69321927So what do we do now, abolish direct X?
>>69323629I want to nakadashi Amada
Nvidia is all smoke and mirrors and snake oil. AMD gives you actual performance without dropping visual fidelity.
>>69323709We use vulkan, and create with it something that does the same shit as raytracing, but with raster.Or use vulkan RT.
>>69320268People who say shit like are the dumbest people on the planet, or Nvidia shills. AMD is absolutely crushing Intel right now, where are the bad practices there? Motherboards that last more than one generation, significantly improved products year on year and innovating with 7nm. Their GPU drivers are better than ever with a driver suite that is comparable to Nvidia (without needing an account btw) despite being made later with major yearly updates. ReLive is already better than ShadowPlay alongside a mobile app to control your driver suite and monitor your system. I don't expect someone who hasn't used an AMD card in the past 5 years to be able to tell, though. They're doing well on both sides if you don't include the GPU high end market, while having a fraction of the budget being split further due to developing both GPUs and CPUs. The fact that AMD can even remotely compete with Nvidia and Intel despite being a much smaller company just goes to show how shit those companies are.
>>69323795Is there a reason developers continue to use DX12 over Vulkan? Even WoW is implementing DX12 rather than Vulkan, despite running on both macOS and Windows.
>>69320151It is a really interesting product if you do more than gaming.
>>69321986Linux drivers for AMD are a godsent.
>>69320151will probably buy to accompany my 2700x, I like my blue+green products and my red army products.Besides right now there's 2 1070's in sli in there and it's hell
>>69323854I bet on something called money coming from a certain megacorporation trying to force an OS on everyone at the point they gave an upgrade to it literally free, and when that didn't worked, they downloaded the shit on the background.
won't be that much of an upgrade from a 1080
>>69323882i think its more likely that re-tooling all of their development to support a different graphics api doesn't make financial sense
>>69323534Can I use the deepdream dataset for dlss?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLGBafgHq8&t=31
>>69323854https://github.com/GPUOpen-LibrariesAndSDKs/RadeonRays_SDK/issuesBecause this is the kind of support you get from open source.
No because it's the same price as both of the phones I'm looking at
>>69320151Yes because 16gb of hbm2 is actually compelling for VR stability and rendering workloads. It also allows games to do more, so you will see a memory bottleneck in the future with (((11))) GB nvidia cards, as AMD will specifically make games to kill those cards at ultra by using 14 or more GB.This leaves enough for VII but makes the Titan stutter and perform exponentially worse. It's not a good tactic but it'll BTFO nvidia
>>69324229Sure the 16gb will be useful in some cases but that's just a by product of being a gamer version instinct mi50.
I need more information on how it works with professional software. But I am very curious to see how that RAM and bandwidth works in CAD and Z-brush.
Open source drivers on Linux and 16GB of HBM2. That's all I need to know.If Nvidia actually contributed to the community maybe I'd buy their shit.
>>69321610>not buying the 1.5k retail one>trusting ebay scammersmight as well just buy the AMD card that matches your food stamp
>>69320171who do i support if i want mid range card in 2019.
>>69320151>16gb hbm2 memoryMite be a pretty good deal for gaming & fiddling around with ML
>>69320171Cringe. AMD is not a charity.
>>69323917Buy used Vega card if you need to be held off for a while, they are great at 250$~ eBay price point.Buy new 580 for 180$ 1080p 90FPSIf you want to go Nvidia, the 1060 6gb is the only cheap model that's worth it, 3 gig is trash compared to the 580 4gig.2060 is overpriced meme garbage
>>69322643>willingly ignoring the vast improvement in visual qualityActually that's exactly what nvidiots do. The reality is that rasterizing, color, sharpness, pretty much all overall image is better on a Radeon card.Nvidia is trying to sell DLSS as something good, when it's just checkerboarding upscaled non-4k bullshit pretending to be 4k.Ray tracing is not going to lead to any further immersiveness. This isn't a pixel shader situation. There won't be a single game that this really "wows" people in before nvidia releases more cards.>>69322891Ask most of the retards on this board and kepler "won" because it used ~5% less power than the amd equivalents which absolutely destroyed it in price/performance.>>69322909Rx 580 is still, STILL the price/performance king at 1080p>>69323069I saw this same card for $330 this weekend. Almost picked it up. I'm so tempted. But a "true" vega 64 is only $399 so I might just get that. I dunno.>>69323288Assuming same price, I'd much rather have 16GB Vram than 8GB Vram. I don't think the difference between 230w and 300w matters so much but my electricity is cheap.I do think for $700 it's a bit fucking stupid, especially because gen1 vega is like $400 now and the 1080ti can be found for $500-$600ish, but if you ask me, it's hypocritical for people to dismiss this card yet praise the rtx 2080. they're basically the same.so if this is a failure, so is the 2080. both are 1080ti performance 2 years later for more money.
>>69324898JUST LOL @ AMDTARD DELUSIONS
>>69323861This but unironically.Amd fucked up with the whole WE LOVE GAYMERS WE CARE ABOUT GAYMERSIt's a fantastic card for the "Prosumer" and should've been marketed as such. The kind of person who bought Vega "Frontier Edition" and uses it for video rendering, blender, ai/deeplearning, etc.On top of that even if you're a gamer I feel like 16gb will be better in a year than the 2080's 8gb. I already pass 8gb with some stuff (VR specifically, or "modded" shit with really high res textures)seems like a great 4k card.>>69324710don't buy anything except maybe an rx580. the 2060 costs $100 more than the 1060 which cost $50 more than the 960. the 590 is a joke. navi "should" come later this year. but will probably be ~2060 performance for $300. in which case most people will have been happy just buying a 1070ti for $339 like they are now.
>>69320171>>69320268I hate both of these posts because they really simplify a much more complex problem.Regardless, I have a feeling this card would be great undervolted.
>>69320151I definitely would if I didn't have a 1080. Anyone who was looking at upgrading to something less than a 1080Ti/2080 might buy this instead because it has Freesync.
>>69321610>Stay poor>Said middle class while wasting one month of his salary.
>>69324442>Open source drivers on LinuxI thought the Vega drivers were still in terrible condition, but it seems they're pretty good on 4.20+ kernel with mesa 19.0+. Maybe they'll be on point when Vega VII comes out?
>>69320151Do people here just larp about buying new cards or do you guys geniuenly buy everyone new card/processor that comes out? Are these just shills? I haven't bought new hardware since 2013, then again I'm not a /gaymer/
Im in New Zealand, so maybe about 1200-1300 kiwibux Eh, I'm on a 580, so maybe. If it does perform similar to the 2080, should be okay
>>69325151>I haven't bought new hardware since 2013When you look at speccy threads you'll realize that 99% of people are like you. Truly makes one ponder right?
>>69325151I haven't bought anything for my PC apart from peripherals and an SSD since 2014. Lost interest in gaming and my PC is fine for what I do (extremely light gaming and uni work, both of which I also do on my MBP). A lot of the times you see people with 2080tis playing League or PUBG, I'll never understand it.
>>69320151Depends on the price. I might buy one of them instead of a low end quaddro.
>>69320151not planing to buy this, but anyone looking at 2080 class card should consider itI'm never going above 1070 class card, it's not worth it.1070 tier card once two years is the way.
>>69325151>>69325385Gaymes are a big reason for hardware progress to still happen. If you just have to compile something you can use as ancient hardware as you want, it just takes longer. It's a comfort issue there but you don't actually need it to even complete the task at all. Games become unplayable unless a certain bar is exceeded. Multiplayer online games can make you lose to your opponent if your hardware isn't up for it which can be frustrating. They aren't the sole reason but they are a big reason. Games are constantly more and more graphically intense so it's a rat race to keep your PC up to date. Some people go for overkill so they don't have to think about it.
>>69320214>has an open source driverall the other AMD cards require proprietary firmware though
>>69320151Yes, because the 1080 Ti isn't available anymore and my Radeon GPU is eight years old.Also I want to reward AMD for stepping in the right direction instead of serving us gimmicks.
>>69325118That's probably close to the reality of the situation which just pains me to think he's trying to show off about it.
>>69323802>Motherboards that last more than one generationI hate this argument for AMD, firstly the wording of that makes it seem like it'll die in a year.Who upgrades their cpu every gen? Even every second? Would you even use a Ryzen 3 on a b350. Would you buy a b350 for your Ryzen 3? Yes, it's an option, but not a good one.
>>69320151Me because it's RTX 2080 performance for GTX 1080 Ti price.
>>69325151I'm currently in the process of buying parts to make a PC for my brother for his birthday. It's hard to sift through factual information when most if not all the arguments against nvidia/intel is "but they're dicks".
>>69326251>taking advice from /g/don't
>>69320151>OSS driver>16GB VRAM for video editing and animation work (Blender and Unreal)>possibly could use the VRAM for ML training tooStill gotta see those benchmarks, though. But AMD cards do have their use cases.Plus, the silver shroud is amazing aesthetic.
>>69326221>Would you even use a Ryzen 3 on a b350what else would you buy for it?you can also use R7 with it without issues.Personally i'm planing to put zen2 in place of my 1600x which served me good
I'm waiting to see some aftermarket model, and what tdp they end up with. Then I'll choose between this and the 2080
if they make a 17cm pcb nano /mini version of the radeon 7 ill get it.kinda hope they make a radeon 8 thou with the extra cores enabled. its only like 5% faster but would be nice.
>>69321610>stay poor >buys the lowest end 2080ti
>>69320151No, my RX 470 is still enough for now. I will consider upgrading it if they actually release a new product in that same price segment.>>69321610>9nxvJ45d40 (2).pngAt least change the filename, you fucking retard.
>>69326221...why wouldn't you use a Ryzen 3 on a b350? Where would you use it then? a320?
>>69323490Any GPU can render at a lower resolution and scale it up for display.
>>69323854Microsoft forces all gamedev studios it owns to use DX12
>>69325151It's all larping, /v/ kids like shitposting here about those sweet frames per second with 1080/2080Ti, but if you look at Steam stats, the most popular GPUs are 1060s and 1050s, lmao. Just look at this pathetic faggot who downloaded a random image from the internet to larp here: >>69321610
>>69326460Not the one you're replying to...but its undeniable that an a320 with a ryzen 5 would have been a smarter choice than a b350 with a ryzen 3.in the EU, its comparable in price.
>>693249322060 is basically a 1070. Not the 1060 that's why its more expensive. 2070 is 1080, 2050 is 1060 etc
>>69326430There's 6 different new vega10 cards coming soon
>>69326530Getting the better CPU is always the better choice, I agree. Even if the VRM held it down it only means you can't overclock. But I didn't see this up for debate.
>>69320151Sure, if it's really good.
>>69320151oh no no no no no no
>>69320151If I had some extra cash lying around then sure it looks pretty good to me. But hey I'm saving for a house so...I guess me and my wife will hold onto our gtx960 and rx470 respectively. Anything about 1080p is a diminishing returns meme anyway.
>>69326534But that's how it has been in every generation
>>69320151only if it supports SR-IOVthen it would be the cheapest card by far that does this
>16gb vram>most likely (much) better cf scaling than nvlink>hmdi freesync>unironically finewineStill cannot understand how can someone call card with 2080 performance, double the vram and 100usd less msrp inferior product.
>>69327122Shame about the pcie 3.0 though.
>>69320151I'm going to plug 6 into my rig and mine with em
>>69327122>Anon claims that it will be 2080 performance at $100 less.I guess that it's pretty good if you like the lack of features, and software compatibility.
>>69327122>caring about SLI/Crossfire>2009
>>69322141>I don't think so m8But AMD always became the turbo jew ultra scumbag whenever they had the chance to.
>>69327122>crossfire>mattering, at all, in the last half decadeC'mon man, I'm a fucking AMD shill and I'm calling this bullshit.
>>69327245No way on earth it maxes out PCIe 3.0x8 so that really doesn't matter.>>69327271>lack of featuresYou mean shitty buzzword AA and raytracing meme?>software compatibilityo noez, that one scientific application I, as a consumer, want to run on my consumer GPU doesn't work because the devs rim leatherjacketman's asshole on the daily! What ever will I do?!
>>69327271I care about features that work, not ones that are tanking my fps from 120 to 50, thank you. And I dont care about upscaling at all.>>69327297literally only way to push upwards of 100fps on 4k in games that actually (can) look good >>69327359"muh single card" for 4k/120, yeah 2025 cant come soon enough retard
>>69327488>I care about features that workExactly why I avoid AMD GPUs. The lack of CUDA kind of kills it for any one who isn't a piece of shit gayman who should have never left >>>/v/.
Probably might buy once I upgrade my whole rig. I need to render faster and this would be a huge bump from my rx 460
>>69327385>You mean shitty buzzword AA and raytracing meme?I guess that too, but I was more implying CUDA.>o noez, that one scientific application I, Pretty much almost all of them, and you forget that ml, and CUDA is actually useful for consumer workloads that does not involve games you absolute waste of space.>as a consumer, You're more a shill than a consumer though.>want to run on my consumer GPU doesn't work because the devs rim leatherjacketman's asshole on the daily! What ever will I do?!You're being misleading here again. It just doesn't work with amd consumer, or professional hardware. It's fine with nvidia though. In fact Intel's quick sync on it's igpu is more useful to the average user than having an AMD GPU.
>>69327488>literally only way to push upwards of 100fps on 4k in games that actually (can) look goodIt costs twice as much and increased input lag though ...which is why pretty much no one uses it nowadays
I will be buying it for high fps 1080p gaming
>>69320151to BTFO vramlet novideots :)
>>69327615>and increased input lag thoughreally? it has zero sue for gaming then, whole point of higher fps is increased response time and controls fluidity, it doesn't look magically better- it plays betterdidn't know it killed input lag, tech is only useful for workstations where it should stay.
>>69320151Yes, because Forza 7 never crashed when I was running a pair of 290Xs in crossfire, but seems to want to crash 50% of the time when I finish a race on a 1080.
>>69327685YesIf it magically doubled the FPS in all games with no side effects it would probably be pretty successful
>>69327511>>69327555No one cares about your machine learning hobby, faggot. One NEET in his basement training his algo to generate furry shota porn vs. big shops like Google and Amazon? Get fucked. GeForce cards are consumer cards and consumer workloads don't use CUDA.
>>69322799RTX needs window 10? LOL! WOW, it's shit then
>>69327781>AMD can't do a thing>"No one cares" vitriolErr time. Can r/amd just fuck off back into their safe space?
Yeswhen Saphire launches theirs
>>69327781>GeForce cards are consumer cards and consumer workloads don't use CUDAGeforce consumer cards can enable CUDA, and there are consumer workloads that are accelerated with CUDA. You seem a little distraught, and malinformed. Next you'll probably tell everyone that they can't use open source with Intel, and nvidia just, because you don't know any better.
>>69323619b-b-but AMD, finewine, in the future it will be better PCIE 4.0, n-no bros!
>>69320268this. people who use that excuse are just fanboys and shills who have literally no other excuses. meanwhile if you went to their house you'd find them using fucking macs and iphones and other high end tech products which don't fill into their narrative of "supporting the underdog". dumbest reason ever.
Just keep waiting...
>competes with the second fastest card novideo has to offer at lesser prices and more VRAM>lol there's no competitionSpend around $1200-$1400 on 2080Tis then holy shit.
>>69329627what planet are you living on?
>>69329797>Blower>Shit company>Mediocre underpowered cooler
>>69329819>no argumentas i expected. seeth harder shill.
>being poor>not buying pic related the day it comes outyikes
>>69329857None of those are viable GPUs even at that price point simply due to how inadequate the stock coolers are + coupled with their relatively low binning
>>69329797Alright then, not exactly lesser prices. That being said, newegg only starts at $700 and it goes up all the way to $850 with air coolers.
>>69329887When is it coming out? I was already considering the Gaming X Trio since it was the best cooled and best binned of the 2080tis but still ran too hot for me to consider worth buying
>>69329911Expected late this month/early next month
>>69329797>Gigabyte 1710mhz $699Is there a reason why the slower MSI cards cost more, or the same?
>>69329887I wouldn't buy the thing. I fear the leakage.
>>69329939What's the MSRP? The gaming x trio is like $1.4k last I checked
>>69320151Yes. I really need a good 4k card, and after trying RE2make demo yesterday I realized that even the 8GB VRAM on my 1080 isn't gonna cut it anymore. Also, I'm getting 3 games that interest me very much, so... I wonder, will the game bundle be avaible on AIB cards too, or only on the reference sold directly by AMD?
>>69329887how would this work? the loop is too small for prolonged use, will it have enough time not to get liquid hot?
>>69329956because msi is shit. get evga if you're buying nvidia they have some of the best coolers and factory clockspeeds whilst being among the cheapest
>>69329972Its performance is between a 120 and 240 mm AIO
>>69329797But he said "Tis", anon.
>>69330006that's what marketing says? are there any 10h tests? because it's easy to claim that performance after 1.5h running it.
>>69330042are you really this dense and can't read or are you joking?
>>69329797>nigger can't read/comprehend>8gbvii is a better deal here. will likely blow the 2080 out of the water when undervolted and overclocked
>>69330053The card was running BFV all day at their CES booth
>>69330071How do you undervolt and overclock at the same time?Isn't overclocking giving the gpu more power?
>>69320151what else can you buy to get decent Wayland support on linux?
>>69330098radeon magic, to make binning easier they overvolt their chips by defaultsad really, they could've made same performance 50w lower if they could fine tune them on mass scale
>>69320151Not gaming in 4K has been great for me. I feel that this upcoming high tier gen of cards will last me for years at 1080p so long as I have enough VRAM.I'll probably buy a mid-high range AMD card when my 770 shits out since I've switched to linux and I don't like how scummy nvidia has been, especially since they block GPU passthrough.
>>69329901at least you acknowledge it. there is very little reason for someone who plays games to buy a vega 7 when the 2080ti is around the same price but offers superior developer support and also exclusive developer support for new technologies. 16gb vram is practically useless and they should have cut that down to 8/12 or released 2 variants for much cheaper at like $500-$550. $699 is absurd especially when they have no selling point aside from simply being a faster vega.
>>69330131How do I do this with my rx580? What settings do i tweak?
>>69329980>get evgaI'll pass. EVGA fucked me over recently, and I would rather buy from a different brand.
>>69322870based & redpilled
>>69320151Because fuck Ngreedia. Look at much much a RTX 2080ti costs in Canada
>>69330169>EVGA fucked me overHow?
>>69322869Good luck, wait for events that cause price drops such as Black Friday or Boxing Day
>>69323619And it changes fuck all....
>>69330169>>69330177evga are fucking based. they replaced my 980 with a gtx 1070 for no further cost and the the best bit was i bought that 980 used on ebay for what would be equivalent to like $280 US. i basically spent 970 money for a 980 which resulted in me getting 980 ti (~1070) performance thanks to evga.
>>69330177 They made up a reason to deny an RMA which I ironically bought from them, because everyone online kept on telling me how amazing their warranties are.
>>69330156radeon settings should do it, google it for starters.
>>69330153>2080ti is around the same priceNigga what.>superior developer support and also exclusive developer support for new technologiesThis read like a fucking ad holy shit. >16gb vram is practically uselessSome games can use more than 10GB already, on fucking 1080p. The point is that the Vega VII, while underwhelming, is not a bad card at all. Like I said, it competes with the 2080, the second fastest Nvidia card out there with similar prices. Why would I not consider it if I didn't want to upgrade to a 1080Ti back then? If I wanted that performance, I might buy used 1080Ti. If not, then I'd grab a Vega VII every single time.
>>69330208>evga are fucking basedSo I've read everywhere. Me, and my coworker must be the only two people who got fucked by EVGA.
Just waiting for Cyberpunk 2077 to come out before buying a GPU and see how well a 200GE can perform on it. Still using an old 32" HDTV @ 1360x768 so it will run fast as fuck maxed out
>>69330257>Cyberpunk 2077>200GEwell meme'd
>>69330063It doesn't say "Ti" on any of those cards, so I must be dense then.
>>69330241if i wanted 1080 ti performance i'd buy a 2080 and benefit from that performance level as well as all the other features and technologies which come with the 20 series cards. the vega card has literally no selling point aside from vram but that's not even a selling point, especially not for gamers. why would a gamer pass up on better looking games because of nvidia tech for more vram from amd? your argument doesn't hold up and reeks of fanboyism.
>>69330307>competes with the second fastest card novideo has to offer at lesser pricesplease, tell us all which card he is referring to here in regards to performance and pricing.
>>69324909wow great argument sir we shure showed them thos filthhy amd scum PROUD INDIA!!!
>>69330329True, but he also said himself "2080Tis", there's no mistake. Here, look: >>69329627
>>69330391you have to be seriously clinically retarded in the head to think a response about pricing wasn't related to the claim about pricing in the same post.
>>69323019ThisBuying Intel is literally slapping Israel to your motherboard
>>69320151there's no reason to buy it at msrp now that nvidia will support freesync displays
>>69330308I hope you're getting paid, because if you're not, then you've been tricked by a corporation into shilling for free while believing that you're trolling.AMD touted this as a workstation card that can also play games. The selling point is the insane memory bandwidth. If you don't need the memory bandwidth, don't buy it. But don't pretend that every product that doesn't cater to your specific use case has no selling point. It makes you sound like an autistic psychopath. But maybe you are, who knows.
>>69330406So how much is the 2080Ti then? Whichever price is closest to what he said would be the one, right? His text could just as well be interpreted as a quip.>if you don't think it's competitive then just go full retard and buy the 2080Ti thenSee?
>>69330498>claims other people are being paid for using logic>but gamers love workstations cards!jesus christ you're not even hiding the fact you're being paid here. nvidia said the same things about the RT cores and deep learning in the 20 series cards. that's irrelevant to the point at hand anyway because these are GAMING cards. amd said this is a GAMING card. the whole conference on monday was them showing off GAMING capabilities in several different GAMES. not once did she say gaming is an afterthought for it and you should buy it for your workstation.>specific use caseso gaming is a specific use case that i only care about now with consumer gaming video cards? this damage control lmao.
>>69330300Why you say that?
>>69330613And how eyactly is it worse than the 2080 as a GAMING card fellow GAMER?
Would this be a good card if I want to do Machine Learning stuff as well as gaymen?
>>69330613>2019>still drawing a line between workstation and gamer PC
>>69330676Damn, I hope he didn't inhale as that happened. Considering his reaction I'm guessing not. Lucky.
>>69330650where did i claim it was worse at gaming? all i said was the 2080 can be found at the exact same price and offers more for gaming from hardware to developer support and you have to be completely detached from reality to think otherwise. devs all cater to nvidia GPU and the 20 series offers features like ray tracing in real time, DLSS, VRS etc and opinion aside, those objectively can make your gaming visuals/performance better and for some people their gaming experience better such as graphics fags.
>>69330613First gen ryzen was also advertized as GAMING CPUS, yet they suck for gaming. Nothing new.
>>69330736What if I don't give a fuck about the abomination that is memetracing?
>>69330613AMD spent a significant amount of time highlighting the workstation capabilities of the card. They wouldn't have done that if they were marketing it just as a gaming card. Again, the selling point is the memory bandwidth. If you don't need it, don't buy it. If you need tensor cores, buy an RTX card. This is not complicated. You're trying to imply that one use case is more important than the other when there are several anons ITT who said that they're very interested in the memory bandwidth. Who knows why, but if you want memory bandwidth, there's literally nothing that comes close to Vega 7 in the consumer space. Just as there isn't anything that comes close to the gaming performance of a 2080Ti.What I'm trying to tell you is that gaming isn't the only thing you can do on a GPU, you shit head.
>>69324721>MLToo bad rocm sucks vs CUDA, but yeah.
lower the price by $200 and ill consider it
>>69330736>ray tracing in real time>objectively can make your gaming ... betterTanking framerate as hard as raytracing does doesn't make the experience better. A feature only matters if it's actually usable. If the experience was otherwise indistinguishable from the competitor except with better graphics, what you're saying would be true, but if consumers couldn't turn off raytracing on RTX cards, nobody would buy them. In fact, the only thing I saw from the enthusiast community (read: people who own 1080Tis) was disappointment. Nobody cares about raytracing right now. DLSS has been shown to be a gimmick already through testing. Your "features" are pretty shit selling points, honestly. Why the fuck don't you just say that Nvidia cards have better gaming performance? That at least is 100% true.
>>69330807then don't use it. it's not like not using it makes the card useless. it might have been pointless beforehand compared to buying an older 10 series card for cheaper and at similar performance levels but with the recent fuckup with vega 7 pricing, amd has made cards like the 2080 relevant again. both cost the same price (and evidence has been provided), are around the same performance level (based on amd benchmarks) but one offers something nice for gamers that gamers might actually want or might not initially use but could want to try out later on. and at the same price and performance it's more like a free addition. who doesn't like more for your money? amd has made the 2080 relevant again as i mentioned before so now it looks like good value in comparison for gamers (which will be the vast majority of the market who will buy these GPU until another mining craze). if vega 7 was $500 then that changes the whole picture, but it's $699 so you/we just have to accept it. you and me and everyone here knows amd missed a massive opportunity to undercut nvidia at a much cheaper price. even people like adoredtv said vega 7 is "embarrassing". >>69330869why are you shifting the goalposts? who even mentioned workstation shit in the first place? you never even mentioned it yourself you said if you want 1080 ti performance you'd buy vega to which i replied with what i'd buy and then you suddenly shifted it from 1080 ti gaming performance to some BS about workstations like anyone was ever talking about it. you're not very intelligent are you. i'm done here anyway this discussion doesn't benefit anyone.
As long as there are no actual reviews of the card, we're wasting our time here.
>>69330981But again, what if I don't care about any of these 'nice addition' gimmicks that I already know I'm never going to use anyway? What if this vega 7 ends up being cheaper for me? What if it looks like there's a trend of higher vram requirements, and we have past examples of cards shitting the bed now because they don't have enough and I buy my hardware to last me a long time? What if, fellow gamer? What if?
>>69320391>it's about an unhealthy market at a risk of monopolyThe "market" is already unhealthy. There's AMD and NVidia on the GPU side. Paper or Plastic. Red or Green. That's the "choice". On the CPU side it's Intel or AMD. Red or Blue. Yes, CPUs and GPUs are high-tech, but look at the auto industry. That's a big complex machine yet there's more than 2 entities making cars. >>69321689>>69321717>>69321942>Believe in the failed MI50sI do wonder if the R7 has 16 GB RAM because AMD thought that's what the market wants OR if the card was designed in a way which would make it impractical to make a 8 GB model. I'm leaning towards it being something with the MI50s design which makes it dependent on the modules being configured that way.>>69323217>Vega got hit really hard by miningIt's kind of amusing how the Vega cards are viewed at some kind of failure by /g/ and a lot of media outlets too when the reality is that Vega really was a massive huge success story for AMD. Yes, really. It just filled.. a less "glamorous" market. With the MI50/R7 having 30% better gaming performance and 80% better compute compared to Vega64.. one has to wonder if AMD is hedging for a crypto re-bubble.
I'll be able to pick this thing up for $300 when it launches so it's pretty tempting, but the 300W TDP is a real turn-off unless you can undervolt/OC the thing like a 56/64.
At least it's not a rebrand.
>>69331604Now combine that with the Threadripper 2990wx, which has 250W power consumption.
>>69331614they already did a rebrand but I guess with amd the expectations are so low that releasing a new card at uncompetitive prices is "something"
>>69331913I mean, it is. For a AMD GPU at least. At the very least we can appreciate that it's a new card in and of itself, and the first of its kind (7nm).
>>69331913How is the same price 'uncompetetive' mister mouthbreather?
>>69330208I once sent an email to EVGA asking for advice on an ASUS graphics card just because. They replied with hey, have a new 1000W PSU and don't bother sending back the old one, just on the off chance your PSU is the problem.Needless to say I now own an EVGA card. Oh and my EVGA PSU has another 7 years of warranty left.
Hello from Mumbai darlings. Sirs trust in me as I say that I do indeed have amd GPUs of topic.For my findings it is cost less than competition and performance is more than competition.
I have a 1070 and imo raytracing and dlss are memetech.It would be an easy sell with a cheaper 8gb version, but they're also bundling 3 unreleased games with it.
>>69331987You can get 2080 for less than $700 right now.
Do people in this thread really complain about the card that supposedly matches 2080 for less money and with more vram on top of it because it doesnt support literal meme like raytracing? Ahahaha. Now go tell me stories about how you cant wait to buy 1450€ card so you can play at 1080p with 55fps.
>>69320151 >>69332269Buy Radeon Loli edition
>>69332269Nah. Mostly, because amd GPUs are only good for featureless gaming, and nothing else. It's not like you can do shit like deep fakes, fast waifu2x upscaling, or etc with amd. There's probably a shitload of non gaming software that can get accelerated with any nvidia GPU through cuda out of the box, and virtually none with amd.
the creator of linux has spoken!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e9sFaBKSi4
>>69332341don't click, youtube cookie virus !
>>693322692080 has itself handicapped with gaytracing, yet AMD still only manages to barely match it using more power to boot.
>>69332362>Valid points>BaitThe absolute micronation of AMD shills.
>features like ray tracing in real time, DLSS, VRS etc and opinion aside, those objectively can make your gaming visuals/performance better this is now official nvidia shill thread
>>69326825Nope, it's normally a two tier gap, not one.780 Ti = 970980 Ti = 10701080 Ti = 2080Last time it was a one tier gap at the high end was 680 -> 770, and that's because they were literally the same GPU. Same architecture, same process, just a bump in clock speed.
>>69332397>2080 with gaytracing 45fps at 1080>radeon vii 60 fps at 4k sure
>>69331500>The "market" is already unhealthy.If I'm not in perfect health does that mean I should just kill myself? Unless market leader is pretty cool (Valve in software for example), I'll always support the underdog until we reach the equilibrium and true R&D equality.
>>69330257That's not gonna work well. The Witcher 3's urban areas hit the CPU really hard, and love to use lots of threads, and Cyberpunk 2077 is all urban area.
>>69332488>Valve>CoolYou misspelled >Cancer
>>69332226With a shit cooler, and the Radeon VII will never go on sale?
>>69320391>2017: Let's buy an inferior product for more money so we can avoid a future monopoly! Next year they will surely catch up!>2018: Let's buy an inferior product for more money so we can avoid a future monopoly! Next year they will surely catch up!>2019: Let's buy an inferior product for more money so we can avoid a future monopoly! Next year they will surely catch up!You are only telling AMD that it's okay to release shit GPUs every year and get away with it because people will buy it to avoid a monopoly
>>69332537>You are only telling AMD that it's okay to release shit GPUs every year and get away with it because people will buy it to avoid a monopolyThs desu, and it's why and always releases shit GPUs.
>>69331987>less features>same price, which in reality is actually higher price>h-how is it uncompetitivethe state of amd fansall that talk about being saviors of gayming, and then they are literally no better than nvidia
>>69332459What card is actually worth the upgrade form 970 and when will it be at the same price as the 970 was at release.
>>69332537yes, but what ever you do, don't buy Nvidia, because they are price gouging you in a monopoly but actually delivering performance.You see it's like an investment, you buy shit amd product now, and they will give you better cheaper product in the future......(lol no, they will pocket the money because they have zero moral obligation to a retard)
>>69332475Gaytracing is getting more and more fps with each update.
>>69332639>lower msrp is higherWhat did he mean by this?
>>69332537No you absolute cretin. It has actually been working and AMD R&D budget is noticeably higher than it used to be. You just lack the ability to see anything but the smallest picture>muh 2 more frames here Nvidia good jobPathetic and antisocial behaviour.
>>69332639>less featuresmore like less buzzwords, things like raytracing are unusable trash with current cards while 16gb vram is actually nice feature that will allow stutterfree gameplay at high resolution with highres textures for whole life of the card
>>69332699CEO has the obligation to shareholders. (S)he doesn't gain market share, (s)he's out. It's very simple. Higher AMD's R&D budget, better their products.
>>69332737>We will release something that's equal to Nvidia's best card from 2 years ago for the same price they had 2 years ago and comes with house fire! Just wait 2 years!
>>69332776>CEO has the obligation to shareholders. (thats right, not to gaymers.So if they take all your retard money and funnel it into data centers, then it's a win for them.Not for you retards.
>>69332740> allow stutterfree gameplayyou amd fags say that about all your products
>>69321986>if you're talking about linux, is the OS driver better than the nouveau garbage?1000x better than novideo open source garbage drivers that are an absolute embarrassment.
>>69332950>There's no money in PC gaming
>>69333119>Meme>Actually usefulTry again amdshitter.
>>69330084...that's not a test
>>69332656970 wasnt even worth it
>>69320151I still have a 970, I see no reason to upgrade with current GPUs yet.Hoping Navi has something good. Unless that Poo Raja fucked that up too.
>>69333231that doesn't answer the question
>>69332269There are game out there that supports either dxr or dlss but none that need 16gb to run properly. It would have had bragging rights if it were this size >>69332311
>buy AMD>want to try photogrammetry stuff>WHOOPS YOU DON'T HAVE CUDA>want to try ML>WHOOPS YOU DON'T HAVE CUDA>want to try ESRGAN>WHOOPS YOU DON'T HAVE CUDAFUCK YOU AMD, NEVER AGAIN
>>69333594Fucking nigger kike
>>69321610Basically buying the shitty 1545 mhz shit binned version
>Look at this threadso /g/ is the new /v/? because last time i looked at a /v/ thread it looked like this.
SEETHING VRAMLET NOVIDEOTS TOO POOR TO AFFORD 16GB
>>69320151do you guys think this card could handle a 600k+ pop on cities skylines ?
>>69333700Skylines is not GPU intensive at all, you could do with a fucking 1060.Now about CPU, you better have a fucking threadripper.
>>69333508>>69333657Make up your damn minds >>69330613
>>69333852>Make up your damn mindsMind was made up the moment I started using >>>/g/, and not >>>/v/reddit.No please stop posting you fucking scumbag.
>>69331604>I'll be able to pick this thing up for $300 when it launchesthen do it, you'd be stupid not to. just re-sell it for $400 the next day. sounds like easy money
>>69331614>At least it's not a rebrand.But that's exactly what it is. Take a look at the existing product,https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi50>>69332269There's quite a few post with the very valid criticism that it's a re-branded datacenter/workstation card marketed towards the gaming segment. 30% faster gaming performance and 80% faster compute compared to Vega64 is nice if you're doing a lot of compute. 80% more gaming performance would be more useful if you're into gaming.>>69332569>>69332614There won't be any more VEGA10 cards but there will absolutely be 6 VEGA12 cards. The source is The Source, the Linux kernel got PCIIDs or these upcoming Vega cards a while back. It's a Vega refresh of some sort the same way the RX480 cards are called POLARIS10 and the RX580 cards are POLARIS12. There's also VEGA20 and I am guessing the new rebrandeon R7 has one of the PCIIDs listed for that one.
>>69321986>>69333024>nouveau garbageActually, it's not. And the driver leverages a lot of the same gallium MESA code radeon and amdgpu uses. It really is a quite complete driver features-wise. The big laughable joke is that nvidia has locked all cards after kepler from power and clock management without a signed binary blob which means the cards are running at the lowest possible clockspeeds - so you get 1030 levels of performance from a 2080ti. that's a big screw you from nvidia to the linux community
>>69334160>resell at $400To who? AMDfags will only buy amd products if it's cheaper than that.
>>69334376Eh I just use the proprietary nvidia drivers, and enjoy the ride.
>>69333614Intel CPU+ amd gpucaused global warming
>>69331604>I'll be able to pick this thing up for $300 Where
>>69334282Why Nvidia can make a die that works both for workstation and gaming and just limit it via driver?
>>69334282Holy fuck it is a rebrand. Dropped!
>>69332656A Vega or higher end Pascal on sale, or maybe big Navi when it comes out.
>>69324101What is deepdream and why does it turn everything into doggos?
>>69330981>why are you shifting the goalposts? who even mentioned workstation shit in the first place?I was responding to your assertion that there's no selling point. You assumed I was some other anon, but I'm not. There is a selling point. No goalposts have been shifted.
>>69334563Micro Center. I bought a 1070Ti there for around $458 and got the warranty so I can return it in the next 2 years and say it has "problems" to get $458 in-store credit to use, plus I have a $100 Micro Center gift card so I could pick it up for $142. But a 2080 seems like a better idea unless Radeon VII kills the 2080 at higher resolutions.
>>69335239R VII is just +/- a 2080 at $100 cheaper. Assuming AMD actually tested against a FE and not one of the failed yield cheaper ones.They showed a test of 25 games at 4k. It does do 60fps+ easily on quite a few. But then you have games like MHW where it only does like 35 maxed. Obviously you can turn down settings, but yeah.Mean reason to get the R VII seems to be the ~7TFLOPs of FP64 for scientific usage. It beats the $3000 Titan V there.
>>69324101Was the dataset for Deepdream literally just dogs and old buildings?
If AMD dies off and Nvidia ends up with a monopoly they'll get trust busted. If you want to see GPU's go some where boycott AMD.
>>69336614this but unironically
>>69320180why would you it performs the same?