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What is the perfect NAS for Media Streaming?
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Any low powered PC, really.
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>>68795035
I figured at least one brainlet like you would arrive on the scene.
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>>68795144
Epic, fellow gamer. Trolled him epic style. Now buy a $600 NAS like the epic consumer you are!
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>>68795006
A 12 bay r510 running freenas
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I have exaclty one of these, I got HGST drives in it, one of the better ones and one of the shittier ones, I can give exact models but both are 7200rpm. I think I memed myself because I pretty much never utilise them but that might change once I upgrade my router.
Other regrets are its hybernation mode, it wakes up multiple times daypy to a point where I wonder if its even worth using it. Also their apps while neat are limited, I can elabirate.
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Something fanless with SSDs
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>>68795006
rpi3 with usb hd attached. far from ideal but works.
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QNAP or Synology?
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>>68795144
Well he is right, old PC that uses up low power is optimal because if you needed more space for discs all you need to do is get a bigger case or another HDD rack inside the case or an external enclosure.
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>>68795006
Just get Netflix on your phone.
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>>68795006
>NAS for Media Streaming
Anything will do. Even media sharing on your own PC is good enough.

I have a folder shared on my Thinkpad, and I use it to stream movies and shit to other computers and video projectors on my local network.
I had a NAS once, because I hoarded data, games, animus, and all that, but it's pretty much useless nowadays.
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>>68796209
Old PCs are likely to be power inefficient
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>>68795006
If you need to store a LOT of valuable data and have a need for it to be accessible 24/7, buy a Synology with 4 bays and use it in RAID 5.

If you just need to media stream for movies like a casual, any computer does the trick.

Don't be a consumerist cuck.
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>>68796234
Unlikely.
Core2's used less than 50w idle and it all gets better from there.
Unless you were intending on using some old dual seat P4 Xeon poweredge, it's not really a problem.

Hell you could probably rig up some aliexpress x86 nettop that has a pci-e slot to use a HP P410.
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>>68796244
>buy a Synology
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>>68796234
>Old PCs are likely to be power inefficient
Nowadays, you can plugin an HDD on your Router, or even have one by default in it, and use it to media share.
(It depends on your router I guess, but in all 4 countries I lived in, it was possible on the basic router the IPS gives you)

Since your router is already on 24/7, it's arguably the best solution, power efficiency wise.
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>>68796244
>Don't be a consumerist cuck.
>buy a Synology
pick only one.
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>>68795594
this.
My setup is a Raspberry pi 3B+, with an 8TB drive using Emby, Sonarr, Radarr, Rtorrent (With RuTorrent interface), Nextcloud for backup and a quick HTML 5 interface to index it, all running on debian (with no gui)..
It can actually stream 11gb+ movies pretty well (unless someone else tries to stream something at the same time)..
I might switch to another server soon though, because at times my family overloads ffmpeg
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>>68796261
Ah yes, the gaming youtube thumbnails, the best argument there is.
I install and maintain Synology NAS for my clients all the time, it just works.

>hurrdurr, here is ONE FAILURE, so you're wrong
Grow up.
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>>68796244
>locked down overpriced trash
kys
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>>68796272
>I'm making money servicing these things, don't tell people they're bad, they'll get wise.
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>>68796272
>admits to vested interest in selling Synology

This deserves a Sataniapost.
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>>68796279
My clients have a monthly fee that they pay to my company in order to have IT support.

Trust me, we think all the time on how to make things easier, simpler, and cheaper.
If another NAS did it better, we would use it, but Synology NAS are really good if something goes wrong, and they are not used to host your anime pictures, it's work data, so we need it to be relatively fool proof and easily serviceable.
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>>68796300
Sub 50MiB/s devices aren't for work data, they're for home movies and idiots.
Real work is stored actual fileservers, not meme NAS.
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>>68796269
isnt it painfully slow without usb 3.0 ? the only thing keeping me away from using a raspberry pi is the usb2.0
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All NAS are good for media streaming.
Unless you want to transcode video to stream over an internet connection. In that case you want to look at the PLEX compatibility list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MfYoJkiwSqCXg8cm5-Ac4oOLPRtCkgUxU0jdj3tmMPc/edit#gid=1274624273
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>>68796300
>fool proof and easily serviceable
do you know where you are?
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>>68796316
Write-speed is kind of annoying, but the local internet speed is really the main problem. at 20MB/S it's kind of annoying
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>>68796300
Ignore them, they don't have any real-world IT experience. Synology are the best NASs on the market.
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>>68796361
For real use besides hosting anime pictures, I do believe so, yes.
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>>68796300
>>68796361
Samefag. Have you no shame?
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>>68796316
USB 2.0 can do 480Mbit/s so it should be fine.
bluray movie has a bitrate of 60Mbit/s. You need double that because the Pi also uses Ethernet over USB.
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>>68796234
They can consume less than 20w, get over it.
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>>68796261
Learn epic gamer Google boy
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>>68796378
lrn2detect samefag
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>>68796408
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>>68796361
>th-they dont know anything ;_;
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Take an old 15w laptop and throw disks at it. SOHO garbage is trick to steal money from dumb people. You don't need a cute commodity OP you just need a little home nas.
>>68796300
>>68796361
Synology sucks. Buffalo sucks. Iomega in particular sucks. The whole market segment is crap and not fit for any purpose.
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>>68796441
>>68796450
I don't know why you're doubledowning on your retardation. Synology and QNAP dominate the NAS market - both in consumer and business products.
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>>68795006
plex and kodi litteraly botnet.
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>>68795144
ok this is epic

>>68795035
but in all seriousness this. build one yourself. I have a J1900 mini itx running ubuntu server, connected to 2 wd reds in a zfs mirror. media exposed via samba and played back by kodi on an rpi 3 b+
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>>68796462
>slow locked down shitbox dominates the market of slow locked down shitboxes
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>>68796542
If that's all you can perceive from that post, then you only have yourself to blame.
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>>68796570
>y-you dont understaand ;__;
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*block your packets*
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>>68796264
Yikes. Not using a zfs mirror in 2018
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>>68796614
Okay, well you have a nice day.
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>>68796272
What format are the disks you slot into the nas?
if I take out a drive, can you still read the data as an external drive?
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>>68797628
Raid will save your data if a drive breaks down but what if the device dies?
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>>68797792
>Raid will save your data if a drive breaks down but what if the device dies?
There are several solutions for that, but there is pretty nice softwares to emulate or use a VM to read the disks.
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>>68796361
>>68796300
dumb cunts. Best NAS for enterprise isn't some faggot prebuilt plastic trash.
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>>68796234
Then use a laptop. You literally need any left over hardware to stream media over ethernet.
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Question:
Is Plex a dangerous botnet?
I live in a shithole with no money to persecute normal citizens, also no caps for internette usage. So I used plex directly in my main PC to index all my pirate media. All of it.
I would like someday to go to shartland to get a tasty 5 guys burguer. Could I got dettained for my pirate media?
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>>68796316
Afaik the ethernet port shares its bus with the USB hub so it's even slower than you think. I gave up on using mine as a NAS because it's useless for anything but sharing light files
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>>68795006
Want a dedicated media server with a ups?
Hook a rapberry pi up to a laptop drive and a powerbank.
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>>68795006
>Perfect
There's no such thing
Build one yourself:
Cheaper, more powerful, more control, more set-up time required
Synology/another good NAS box:
Smaller, easier to setup, (usually) less power usage
Decide what's more important to you and decide
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>>68798122
All enterprise shit is "faggot prebuilt plastic trash". Nobody builds their own shit.
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>>68798087
>>68797792
Any of those shitboxes actually use firmware raid? The ones I've encountered all have mdadm and/or lvm.
As for migration and recovery Asustor has the most transparent system, it's simple mdadm that you can drop in any other Asustor box or your desktop and it will just work. Downside of lack of LVM means you can't partially upgrade your disks. Also any x86 Asustor can boot form usb in case of catastrophic firmware failure, or if you just want to use your own os.
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>>68799977
wrong
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>>68795006
your previous PC, stuck in a closet somewhere
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>>68795550
Best answer.
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>>68795006
odroid xu4 with samba compiled from source to add time machine support
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>>68800609
>The ones I've encountered all have mdadm and/or lvm.
They pretty much all do, and it's the best solution out there anyhow. Performant and extremely manageable/robust.
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>>68801841
>and it's the best solution out there anyhow
I know, I mean even if hardware breaks down you can pull the info from the drives with little effort.
Except maybe Drobo? I've never worked with one but all their marketing bullshit about automagical storage mergeing and tiering sounds like a nightmare to recover manually.
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>>68798763
Hard to tell, maybe the ad botnet of Plex exposes completely what you watch already. Or not. And data about you is probably stored in the USA. Privacy isn't a high priority in the USA vs. law enforcement discretion, never mind that the law-making bodies are often quite friendly to copyright lobbyist's demands.

Maybe you can start to figure out how much you are at risk from this:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/
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>>68796456
>Take an old 15w laptop and throw disks at it.
Not often a great idea for more than 1 internal and maybe 1 external drive because you'll be using an "old laptop's" USB ports which may not even do UAS and not have enough ports anyhow. Never mind normal computer cases are ~the cheapest way to safely mount HDD/SSD without any DIY solutions.

Generally better take the old laptop's components and stick them into a new desktop computer with a new mainboard with an Intel onboard J**** APU or an AMD 200GE. Add RAM as needed and a suitable PSU (maybe a $15 chinese picoPSU clone?) and you're good.
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>>68795006
I cannot find anything that will stream 4k remuxes properly. It might be my router but smb over 5ghz wifi isnt cutting it. Still have to plug an external HDD into my TV like a caveman
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>>68802088
Why don't you plugin in an Ethernet cable instead?
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>>68802101
Because running one across different floors of my house is annoying.
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old laptop. Has integrated UPS
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>>68802200
Enjoy your shit performance then
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>>68802088
5ghz cannot pass trough many walls (1 wall maximum) and you need good signal to have full speed.
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>>68802200
What are keystone jacks and wallplates?
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>>68802300
*brick wall
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>>68796361
qnap
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I love how OP asks for a NAS recommendation and a bunch of retards come out with suggestions for a single hard drive solution.

OP is asking for a NAS for media storage, not "how do I plug in a USB HDD to my rpi XD"

Take some old PC parts, throw it in a box with some hard drives and put freenas or unraid or some other bullshit on it, then point a plex box at it. Easy, expandable, and not shit tier.
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>>68795006
DIY.
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anything that runs freenas
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Best nas is freenas.

>Supermicro x9 board
>32gb ecc ram
>6x8tb raid-z2 pool with 1tb nvme cache drive
>10gb networking
>external monthly backup
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>>68796456
Do you even know how muchh a cheap NAS costs?
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How do you control or install shit on a NAS/whatever without a monitor hooked up to it?
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>>68801989
Truly decrepit and old laptops used to involve nigger rigging a pci express card that can do port multiplying then throwing regular sata disks at an enclosure.
I don't think the average person needs more than a modern linux/freenas box and a few usb disks. Pretty much any laptop from the last 8 years would be fine.
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>>68806176
ssh
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>>68795006
Get an x86 based synology and you basically have a small form factor linux box that you can do whatever you want with. Mine works great.
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>>68806437
Why not x64 or ARM?
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>>68806799
The x86 ones are all x86_64 as far as I know. They're the more powerful of the models and have more software available than the ARM ones. Or at least that was the case when I bought mine a few years back.
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>>68806176
There are many options. Linux comes with a program called SSH. Basically it lets you send commands through text that the server executes. Also, you might know Teamviewer, which you can use without a monitor attached to the computer you're connecting to. There's also X forwarding, VNC, RDP, the list goes on...
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>>68806176
ssh or remote desktop
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>>68795006
Why do these things need encoding/transcoding capabilities? Don't you just use them to store media so your TVs and Phones can play them?
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>>68796300
I work for a large msp and we only use Netgear ones.
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>>68806799
>x86
>x86_64
>ARM
>not using a SPARC box with an 8 port SATA II controller and modern drives
Shiggity diddity
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>>68806925
Anyone?
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>>68807584
It's related to streaming to those devices. If your phone can't support streaming the original file, the nas can transcode it to a more palatable format.
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Can we all agree QNAP make the best NASes?

>u-use a laptop!
No, retard.
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>>68806925
they don't they are not even intended for that purpose.
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>>68809764
Then why do the higher end ones have quad-core CPUs?
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>>68809771
for virtualization machines mostly.
for video transcoding you need GPU
it's much more efficient than CPU
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>>68809958
Ok, then explain the marketing behind Synology's "play" series:

https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS218play
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>>68809987
it can't do full 4K transcoding
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>>68809987
It's literally marketing. They use words and pictures arranged in a way to make people want to buy it.
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Why not just buy an HDD enclosure and connect it to your main PC?
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I just upgraded to DS3018XS and filled it with 6 hgst he12 in raid 6 and now my anime and music collection can grow further. this machine is perfect for what is intended for. huge disc space and very fast read/write speed. its connected with link aggregation for double lan speed (later I will upgrade to 10G lan)
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>>68809996
>he streams 4k
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>>68809996
not that anon, but I can't seem to find any NAS devices that can.
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>>68810206
I personally don't since anime is still max 1080p
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>>68799477
I don't believe those power banks can be charged while they're supplying power, you'd have to get a circuit that can support "UPS operation". Also there is an Orange Pi model with a SATA port on it, but since it's only one you wouldn't be able to RAID them for redundancy. Having fast SATA ports for RAID use would be the only reason I'd buy a NAS over one of those Orange Pi models.
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>>68795006

You can build one from ebay with a 12k passmark for $200~. Prebuilts are total shit for streaming if you plan to transcode at all.
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>>68806176
>goes into windows explorer
>types "\\192.168.0.30"
>is now browsing the NAS's files
>goes into web browser
>types "192.168.0.30"
>port defaults to 2000 or something
>is now browsing through the NAS's custom operating system
It just werks!
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Is it generally encouraged to use RAID 1 for a 2-bay NAS, and RAID 5 for a 4+ bay NAS? Why not just not use RAID and store a traditional, compressed backup every month?
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>>68795594
>>68796269
>it works
As long as you don't want 4K or concurrent streams or storage faster than 2MB/s.

But yeah, $35 RPi3 + $5 microSD + $60 2TB USB3 HDD = $100 NAS.

And as a bonus you can use the portable HDD at 100MB/s on a more powerful computer.
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>>68810182
Why not just use the laptop directly above your overpriced NAS?
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Isn't transcoding only necessary if you want to stream to phones or some other shitty device?

If you get a Nvidia Shield or an Apple TV, they can play anything.
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>>68796396
pi@pi-tv:/media/usb0 $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/usb0/test bs=1M count=100
100+0 records in
100+0 records out
104857600 bytes (105 MB, 100 MiB) copied, 50.8949 s, 2.1 MB/s


This is on a 100MB/s USB3.1 HDD. Atrociously slow. Suitable for watching FHD (8,000 kbps stream) while downloading one or two more movies in the background.

If you don't need more than one stream, more than FHD, or fast storage, yeah it's fine.
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ok faggots

whats a good JXXX or incel atom board to use in a mini ITX Nas bbuild

planning on going with the node 304 as the case, need at least 6 sata ports
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>>68810520
>>68796396
Remove the sync mount option from
/etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf


dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/usb0/test bs=1M count=100
100+0 records in
100+0 records out
104857600 bytes (105 MB, 100 MiB) copied, 3.57834 s, 29.3 MB/s
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>>68810516
it's mostly because SSA/ASS subtitles
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>>68810603
probably some supermicro
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>>68795035
Not OP, but as much as i would love to do this i need to get something with roughly the same dimensions as a 2 bay NAS, unless i can find somewhere decent to stash it - but in my place those areas are either dust traps or closed environments (closets)
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>>68796261
>>68796279
I guess you could make the argument that with pushing tons of 4k footage they are probably pushing the anaemic chipset in the synology to it's limits?
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>>68807584
it allows you to store significantly higher quality file formats. blu-rays rip at somewhere around 30GB. a GOOD Blu-ray to mp4 rip will sit somewhere around 8GB once it's compressed. but even an 8GB won't directly stream (at least not easily) over most mobile/wifi connections, since every byte of that 8GB file has to be evenly divided up and downloaded by your phone in order to stream it.

transcoding allows larger files (or less common file types/formats/combinations of the two--since movies are both video and audio) to be decoded and re-encoded on the fly into more easily streamable formats. this can significantly reduce the amount of data the endpoint device is using from 8GB to 500MB without a noticeable loss in quality.

that's why transcoding is useful.
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>>68810994
Sounds like having a good router is just as, if not more important.
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>>68796456
>The whole market segment is crap and not fit for any purpose.
As a user of both Synology (home) and Buffalo (rack/pro) NAS, I can only nod in vehement agreement. This anon knows whats up
>>68796675
This fucker, right here. 3 times the build quality of Synology (srsly - theyre fucking shockingly overpriced junk) at a third of the price
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>>68811633
anything 10/100Mbps should be more than sufficient. most sub-10GB 1080p h.264 transcodes will transfer at less than 10Mbps. I don't know if they still manufacture routers capable of anything below 100Mbps.
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>>68795550
Best answer, maybe OP should have stated a budget.

Bet you're a coder BTW!
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>>68795006
a proper linux server with NFS
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>>68795006
this. my little media server
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>>68796675
this thing rocks. I use one as a git server in my office
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>>68795006
>perfect NAS
any cheap system with enough SATA ports which runs linux mdadm in raid5 or raid6, raid5 for less than 5 drives, raid6 for 5 or more.

>>68796173
>QNAP or Synology?
None of those.

>>68796272
>I install and maintain Synology NAS for my clients all the time, it just works.
It works until it doesn't and then you've got a problem. If some cheap standard PC running mdadm gets a problem 5 years from now it's fine since you can replace the standard part or just get some other standard PC and recover your data.
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>>68795006
Late to the party, but this was made for you OP. Or anyone who is saying to themselves, "Huh I want a NAS, what should I do?".
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>>68812160
Nice anon :) Do you use the Geforce for GPU encoding? I've been wanting to experiment with it...
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>>68806925
Plex will transcode to anything. I share my library to a dozen or so friends/family. For instance, on tablets/phones Plex client has the option to reencode to something smaller so you can fit more (idiot family members buying 16GB phones...).
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>>68810840
mini itx is close to the size. Nothing wrong with closets...if your closet has some kind of airflow (like take the door off or something. What do you think racks are but closets with airflow?
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>>68812745
>that reflection at the top
Todd?
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what's the cheapest ryzen board with confirmed working ECC support?

the only official stuff i could find is gigabyte stating a few of their x470 boards are the only ones of theirs that work but id really prefer something where the board wasnt three times the cost of the cpu
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>>68812837
>ryzen
meme
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>>68812785
Yes Zach?
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>>68812837
Just go xeon anon. Ivy compatible boards are cheap and plentiful. I went dual CPU for $200 (Supermicro X9DRi-LN4F+)

See >>68812580
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>>68795006
>Having a NETWORK attached storage device
>not just having a dedicated offline HTPC (Home Theatre PC) instead

isshyggydidit you fucking boomer millenial redditors
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>>68813623
>using more power than you need to
>using more space than you need to
>investing more time than you need to
>posting frogs
Yes, we know you're stupid, no need to keep reminding us.
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>>68796264
My Asus RT-AC68U can't index my >50gig 4k movies for DLNA.
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>>68813773
Are you sure?
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>>68814090
Yes, they have huge metadatas and RAM is not enough. I basically remux those mkvs into mp4s with no metadata, but obviously it takes ages for 50GB files.
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>>68812837
Any Asus, Asrock, Biostar Ryzen board will have ECC working, even if not officially supported



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