>quit drugs>quit alcohol>quit smoking>quit junk food>quit coffee>basically subside on water, green tea, and homecooked meals>losing weight>doing exercise>feel healthier than everYet I also feel more bored than ever. What the fuck. Why does baseline life have to suck so much?
>>51155315you need to do more baseline. the next step is starting your own business. finding a wife. buying a house. starting a family. write a book. enter politics.
>>51155353I'm okay with half of that. Fuck wife, family, and politics.
>>51155315If you have talent you could pursue an artistic outlet. Otherwise idkBut also consider you've conditioned yourself to a really high threshold of satisfying stimulation so yes, everything will be boring.
>>51155315All of those things you have stopped doing were triggering dopamine, anything you do without those things seems boring in comparison until your brain has had a chance to heal itself from the dopamine flooding it was previously getting, then the little things in life should start to make you happy.
>>51155424Will it ever not be? I have genuine, hearty laughs from things I find funny now, which I enjoy.
>>51155315>your life revolves around the energy you consomePathetic
>>51155361Yes. Well done. Fuck wife. You got the gist of it.
>>51155315Unironically have sex. Experience love, stolen love.
>>51155462Yes, hopefully.Personally I like learning interesting stuff, like reading about the natural world, astrophysics, watching documentaries; it fills me with a sense of profound amazement.
>>51155506>>51155522There's no way I'm gonna let a woman ruin the good stuff I have going right now.Don't get me wrong, relationships are certainly for the majority of people, but not for me.
>>51155522I'm sorry, what do you mean by "stolen love?"
>>51155315Did the same. Overall good but I re-intruduced only THC as a little post workout / before bed reward and have no bad side effects from it.
>>51155361Not even joking, you're fucking based, my dude. Try some adventure sports or conventional hobbies like cooking, or papercrafts.
>>51155315Neuroplasticity decreases with age, so it’s going to be a little longer before you feel ok. I’d recommend learning new things, could be anything. Doing sudoku, learning a language, learning an instrument, learning is a fundamental factor in preventing a lot of neurodegradation. My recommendation would be to pick up programming and find a problem in your life you can fix with it. There are a wealth of resources online for it, tons and tons of problems, it’s a really fun learning experience, and extremely satisfying when you finally make something that other people start using. And all it takes is a 100 dollar ThinkPad and the internet.I really want to pick up blacksmithing, but I live in a shit condo in downtown Toronto. Just stacking up those sweet tech dollars before I can move out west to a nice, small farm outside of Calgary.
>>51155315This is basically me. I mostly just miss eating two meals a day. I love cooking. OMAD is working for me, but making me depressed.
>>51155315Find a hobby. Rock climbing, kayaking, woodworking, etc. Do something that interests you that doesn't involve a screen.
>>51155572I love how every grad 1-2 years out of college who read a wikipedia article on "neuroplasticity" is suddenly an expert.
>>51155646Are they wrong tho? And where did they claim to be an expert?They're not publishing a paper, do they nerd a doctorate to advise OP in this case, or is a WP article enough?Throwing a wrench in a conversation just for the sake of it is a sign of an emotionally maladapted manchild.
>>51155646Yea fuck learnjng new things and keeping your brain active! Thats for fags! Do the world a favor and end your pathetic life
>>51155315Life will seem pretty flat after quitting drugs and starting to live more healthily. You could try bringing in activities that give you massive endorphin and dopamine highs. Climbing, kite surfing, slacklining. Depends on where you live and what you have access to.
>>51155315Don't you know? What you've done is traded emotional highs and lows for emotional stability.>>51155353Precisely this. Then you get the same highs and lows from something productive rather than something rather pointless.
R u me. Def knew when I got into it and am being reminded I got into unhealthy shit because I was bored as fuck and didn't give a shit. Even now I'm busy as Hell and still miserably bored and painfully reacquainted with my deep seeded mental health problems I could jyst avoid by being fucked up or hung over. At least I'm not sedentary I guess.
>>51155315Yeah, get use to it retardThis is how og's did it back in the day
>>51155540You are simply wrong about this. Stop being jaded towards women. A healthy and meaningful relationship does so much for a man that it can't be put into words.
WOULD SOMEONE JUST PLEASE FUCKING TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK STOLEN LOVE IS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH>>51155549>>51155522
>>51155315everything in moderation, including moderation
>>51156032are you me ?
>>51156032>>51156061wow, imagine that. more than one person is an autistic sperg shut in with no gf or life.
>>51156061Its me too, I'm sure this describes 80% of 4channel users
Incel cope: the thread
>>51156032>tradingBUY HIGH SELL LOVEI h8 larpers like you the most. It's not like you made even 60 dollars with this shit.
>>51156073you're only right with the no gf part
>>51156004I'm talking about myself. Sure, women are pretty stupid, everything considered, but the issue here is that I, as a person, is in no way suited for a relationship.
>>51155940>What you've done is traded emotional highs and lows for emotional stabilityThis sounds about right.I'm okay with this.
Hey buddy retard, why don't you become an interesting person. Make some friends and do something. I've recently started practicing drawing and it does a lot for me. Nigga write a book, get a dog, start a blog, move to Philadelphia. Just do something. Baseline life doesn't suck, you're just used to having your time filled up with these pseudo serotonin producers like drugs or junk food.
Baseline is king, nigger.>clean my act>visit mom on a /fast/>break /fast/ with a braised hanger steak>shit was so good it felt like snorting a fat line of ketamineI'm not kidding. I've done coke that was x10 as boring as that steak.
>>51156073>>51156079>>51156112>>51156116>>51156140>>51156165>>51156182>>51156244>>51156342HEY WOULD YOU MIND SHUTTING THE FUCK UP AND ANSWERING MY QUESTION PLEASE, FAGGOT?::::::>>51156018>>51155549>>51155522AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>51156359just go back to doing drugs there is nothing wrong with doing drugs
>>51156359WE DON'T KNOW WHAT STOLEN LOVE IS FAGGOT OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE ANSWERED
>>51155572I also want to pick up blacksmithing but I'm living in the suburbs outside of vancouver. Are there blacksmiths willing to take on apprentices outside calgary or something?
>>51156400my guess is that it's love you've taken from someone who is married or has a partnerbeing the asshole in a deceptive affairalso, ketamine is based as fuck
>>51156425ive heard there's a few openings in orgrimmar
>>51155315Buy a years worth of viagra and download tinder.
>>51156437Oh, I see. Thank you.Cheers then, gentleman. Off we go!
>>51156425I’m just going to say fuck it and learn by myself, it’s how I learn best and get the most enjoyment out of it. Chose Calgary because it’s cheap and has good real estate potential, and is right beside the gorgeous mountains.
>>51155522>stolen loveThis is super gay
>>51155315what is moderation, retard??
>>51157724Not for me.
>>51155315With a fitter body a whole new world of physical activity and entertainment has opened up to you. You just don't know what is out there because you have never experienced it.
>>51158069This is also a really great point.
>>51155522sex is 50% gay. xy and xy sex is 100% gay. yy and yy sex is 100% gay. xy and yy is 50% gay
>>51155315ok, so you've adopted healthy habits. what else are you doing with your life? are you pursuing a fulfilling career? do you gave other hobbies that the gym? do you socialize?there's more to life than maximizing gains
>>51155361Pursue something interesting, anon. For everyone it's different. Imo having a family today is a bad idea because of the rampant degeneracy and promiscuity going on with women today. Sure there is a tiny chance that you might find a girl who isn't degenerate but the probability is too small. Maybe try studying math or look at starting a business? I predict that whoever makes an automated senior care home for the boomers are some kind of business to capitalize on the aging population will be the next big young billionaire
>>51158375Plus, once you get rich off your business then you can attract a girl. As long as you're rich and jacked you can still get a qt. Look at Mel Gibson, he's like 60 years old yet has a gf in her 20's. By the time we're 60, maybe cultural norms will have shifted back into something more conservative where promiscuity is no longer encouraged
>>51155572>programming>wealth of resources>tons of problemsWhere do you find this stuff? I want to start. Is a Chromebook good enough to program? What kind of programming? I know nothing but want a challenge and some money.
>>51155572>programmingCoding is a meme now, anon. There's no point doing it unless you absolutely love it. All software engineering jobs are taken by the pajeets and changs.
>addicted to cigarettes>addicted to weed>addicted to caine>addicted to fapping>haven't gone to the gym this week>failed 2 tests this week>brain fogged to oblivion, literally can't focus on anythin for more than 2 minutesH-help me
>>51156620so you are going to program and blacksmith? This sounds based.
>>51155315After quitting drugs and alcohol it took a really long while for natural highs to hit me again, like a year or two. Now I just exercise, play games, work, watch anime, sometimes go fishing or produce music. Exercise and other junk just didn't make me feel good like it was supposed too. Still doesn't feel as good as a microdose of meth but I'm way healthier, and it's cheaper.
Get a hobby that isn't degenerate, like an instrument or sport.
>>51156359>he doesn't know what stolen love meansVirgin spotted
>>51155315read booksget on over to >>>/lit/, >>>/his/ and >>>/sci/ and upgrade yourself now you're no longer degenerate.
>>51157724Gateway to addiction
>>51158503then you either have no self-control at all, or u are dealing with something that is too addictive
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>>51158253you seem to have your chromosomes all mixed up, male XY, female XX (in most mammals)
>>51155540I was, in fact, just commenting on the incidentallly amusing insertion and double meaning of the word "fuck" there.
>>51155455This. It's been 3 months without alcohol or drugs and i am just starting to enjoy activities sober. Give it time.
>>51155361>no wife>no familyYou are a genetic failure. You will never make it.
>>51158435Help yourself, start by throwing your coke in the toilet and shitting on it
>>51155315I feel you, man. Nothing comes close to all nighters with my best friend on drugs and or alcohol and the workout on absolute caffeine high the next day.Love and success and family is all nice and cozy but there just is no rush, no excitement
>>51158435Start working out every day, use your coke money for roids and viagra and become a sex god
>>51158435I quit all those things and more, and started exercising. One thing at a time with lots of steps forwards and backwards, but I finally made it. I just feel worse. Kind of just want to die. I'm not even sad or anything, just feel perpetually tired and foggy and lazy, and nothing is enjoyable to me at all anymore. Literally why even live? Every day is just mild to moderate suffering with no relief or end in sight.
>>51158935>hurr lineage we're at a point where climate change will fuck the world and humanity up, and we also live in a small meaningless world so this doesnt matter at all
>>51159725How many years were you on those things? Not necessarily all of them, but how many years would you say you were fucking up in general? Now how many years have you been not fucking up? If it takes you half as long to unfuck yourself as the period of time you spent fucking up, that's a victory. If you can't stand that notion, go ahead and an hero, but these are the terms you should be thinking in.
>>51156342breaking a fast with a steak, are u retarded mustve been a baby fast
>>51159860>If it takes you half as long to unfuck yourself as the period of time you spent fucking upSo I basically need about a four year dopamine fast? I'm fucked. I'd kill myself, but there is one person who I would hurt by doing so who I can't. I literally have no other reason to live.
>>51159725Honestly, I feel the exact same way. It can only mean you are still ffed up on the inside.>>51159860How many years? I see the inherent truth in your words, but how can a person possibly survive well in society while having all these nagging addictions (mostly fapping for me), and more importantly, not being able to focus and do what needs to be done in everyday life?It's not even life's *struggle* being hard, it's not seeing a possible way to ever make things work, and the low-key despair that causes.
>>51155315>Vanilla lifeGotta mod it up, somehow
>>51158935Genetic immortality is a fallacy loser >Your father takes two sugars in his coffee
>>51155315>tfw cleaning my room and improving myself hasn't positively affected my quality of lifeIktfb
>>51159761>genetic suicide mentalityWay to get naturally selected out of the gene pool for being a retard and falling for population reducing psychological warfareDon't even need to fire a single bullet when there are idiots like you
>>51155315Get out and do stuff not related to being healthy. Hike, find a hobby, etc. You'll find that your healthy state makes you better at other things.
>>51159725Did you fix your diet too? It takes time for the brain to heal too...
>>51160313Try new (healthy) things until something works.
>>51155315head out into the wilderness, you will feel satisfied with life when you get to eat food you've caught yourself, when you get to feel the warm of your own crackling firewood and when you get to sleep under the stars when your whole body is aching after an entire day of physical activity
>>51155315You're bored because you replaced an addiction with nothing Take up a hobby like art, photography, start a business, read a lot more, learn to cook better than you already doBe constructive uwu
>>51155353Next step: write a book
>>51159761Its called climate chaos now, shits exaggerated to discourage gullible westerners from reproducing
>>51155315You gotta build a personality. Drugs and alcohol were what you had before, so now you gotta find new shit.
>>51156244>Hey buddy retard, why don't you become an interesting person.WOW thanks for such original wisdom anon. Honestly fuck off. Living a baseline life is sooo fucking hard, in terms of receiving pleasure or Joy out of it. Bro how in the actual fuck can you do anything of value without becoming bored of it? I'm not OP but god damn what kind of fucking advice is that? Honestly?
>>51159725FUCKING THIS. Litterally how does one escape this self made hell without compromising your moral worth?
I feel the exact same. For the past 5-6 years I was addicted to video games and porn. I spent just about every waking hour in front of my PC. I shut myself in my room and I was depressed. About 6 months I just started getting bored of video games and this lifestyle. I kept playing less and less until I basically quit all together 2 months ago. I've started doing /fit/ stuff and I like the feeling I get when I make improvements and reach my goals but working out only takes up like 1/24 hours out of the day. Everyone in my small friend group has different work schedules and/or a girlfriend so I rarely get to talk to them anymore. I feel like my depression has gotten worse, but in a different form if that makes sense. I deleted all the shit related to video games/porn that I had on my PC and phone and I just began to realize how much of a boring and dull person I was/am. My day consists of waking up, going to work, coming home and napping for 4 hours, then just dicking around the house for like 6 hours then going to bed and doing it all again. I'd guess I'd be interested in making new friends but I don't go back to college for like 7 more weeks. I'm just bored with life right now and it's pretty draining.
>>51155522Spooked like a true memening faggot.Love is a Disney invention
>>51158435you must be doing pretty fucking good if you can keep up a coke addictionwtf a bender usually puts me back at least a few thousand
>>51155455Yeah man. I’m 4 years off opioids and just finally can sleep right. Once that hits I hear stuff gets a lot easier,
>>51155315Find your own goals for indefinite self improvement
>>51155353>enter politics.retarded advice
>>51155476Such as life when you're a carbon based lifeform
>>51155315Neuroscientist here. The reason everything sucks is because literally everything you gave up releases dopamine (as well as other neurotransmitters). Your brain has likely accommodated to the constant dopamine release by either reducing neurotransmitter production, increasing inhibitors to dopamine, or pruning dopaminergic neurons, or all three. Additionally, nicotine stimulates nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, which may spur tolerance to muscular dopamine release. This is still unproven, so take it with a grain of salt.The good news is that exercise and water release dopamine. The bad news is that it will take several months to years to get back to an actual baseline that's comparable to a straight edge health nut. Additionally, depending on which drugs you've done there may be lasting damage to the mesolimbic pathway, as well as reduced functionality of serotonin and other neurotransmitters.Stick with it and the brain will heal, but it will take a significant amount of time.
>>51163546not him, interesting af saving iti have been lifting for 6 years so far and lifting is the only thing that makes me happy and i really enjoyis that healthy for my brain ? i tried drugs but nothing i enjoy as much as hitting lifting PR's
>>51163966Brain health is like muscular health, it can be strengthened through use, burned out through excessive stimulation, injured, and lost through lethargy. The best way to ensure brain health, other than avoid toxic substances, is to use it, particularly in the way you want to use it in the future. The brain is continuously strengthening and redistributing glial cells, which increase conductivity speed of neurotransmission after puberty, so whatever functionality you use the brain prioritizes. If lifting gives you pleasure that's great, it's selected to increase fitness. If lifting is the only thing that gives you pleasure you might want to seek a professional evaluation, just so you can be aware of any underlying issues.
>>51155315Health and fitness is unironically a fucking meme, you give up good food, drinks, drugs and fun activities for what? Living till you're a 90 year old with arthritis stuck in a nursing home?>Inb4 it makes you attractive for sexSex is a meme, just play videogames instead, it's basically the same thing
>>51155522>stolen loveya want him to cuck somebody?
>>51165499What I get from that is that sex is only 25% better than vidya.
>>51161740because you wasted all that time on vidya, you've not much left once it's goneyou need knowledge and experience.make more of an effort to talk to your friends - talking when they're off work or messaging is fine./fit/ stuff is a decent start, but you'll need to pick up hobbies and new interests and educate yourself. and you've got to go hard to make up for lost time.
>>51163375>good goy, enjoy the eternal kike rule
>>51165499this makes me want to try meth
>>51155353My man. Engaging in politics is the mark of the well-rounded, educated, capable man.Wife and family is a no from me though
>>51168298Meth is a bad idea. It releases a shitton of dopamine, yes, and it also blocks reuptake of dopamine. This means you get the nice euphoria and associated analgesic effect for up to 12 hours, but the brain doesn't like too much dopamine. In fact, glial cells will start to actively destroy dopamine in the synapses after several hours, which means you literally cannot feel as good again until your body creates new neurotransmitters.
>>51168298I used to use it to lose weightLost 80 pounds, stopped, worked on my muscles (and teeth) and now I have a respectable swimmers build instead of looking like a whale
>>51155455I've never been a drug addict yet for some reason I'm bored all the time. What do I have to quit to start enjoying things?
>>51159725What the fuck, that's exactly how I feel. But I'm not an addict. How did I fuck up my brain chemistry???
>>51168653Quit wasting your time idly browsing 4chan. Not even joking. Cut your wifi for a week and see what happens
>>51168876I work at retail and there are hours of free time in between customers. I read a book until I'm tired and then I browse 4chan.
>>51168993>getting paid to shitpostliving the dream anon
>>51169172Yeah, I thought so too for a first couple years.
>>51158422Thinking pajeets and changs are smart enough to code in an innovative way.
>>51155315>quit drugs>quit alcohol>quit junk foodwhat's wrong with these things in moderation? I dont do a lot of drugs or even drink that often, I usually smoke weed on the weekends or with my bros and drinking is fun probably like once a month or something. i also probably have one shitty meal a week but other than that my diet is on point and im still making gains. whats the point of getting fit and making it if you are just going to become a reclusive shut in obsessed with being as healthy as possible?i'm not saying to go out, binge drink and drunkenly drive thru taco bell at 3am while being on MDMA for the third day in a row, but if your bros hit you up for pizza and beers why not indulge on that one day? gotta live life bro
>>51169811Not everyone of us is a man children, some of us have family you know?
>>51155361Wife and family are overrated. I love my family but seriously overrated.t. Married family man
>>51155315 I recommended beginning to train a martial art or combat style. Very intricate and time consuming. Try learning to draw well or learning to play an instrument. If nothing does it for you, either begin drugs again infrequently, or die. If every day becomes painfully boring there is no reason to keep going. Find a purpose or take yourself out.