/fraud/ - thread dead for 3 hours and no one bothered to make a new oneBefore asking your stupid beginner questions (yes, they are stupid), make sure to read ALL OF the r/steroids wiki:https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index>Reddit linkyeah, fuck offDon't ask us to help you dose your AI. It's very individual.Oral-only cycles put strain on the liver and cause a shutdown of natural testosterone production for not a lot of benefit. Just pin and thank us later.No source talk allowed.This isn't a medical forum. Stop asking for medical advice and go to a doctor.Don't ask us to help you schedule your pinning dosages. Use http://steroidcalc.com/If you're going to ask a beginner question, make sure to include:- age- bf%- time spent trainingpreviously on jm becomes the ultimate wagecuck on amphetamines: >>50394210
>>50435702> thread deadno fucking shit, /fraud/ is GARBAGE. I can literally go to reddit and have a more meaningful and insightful discussion. Most of the people here on steroids look like fucking shit too, we've seen the CBT posts lads. Why on earth would anyone actually want to post here?
How do I find the ventro glutual sweet spot? Anyone have a video?I've been doing what this trans-freak is doing, but I don't think it's right lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK5ml-ZrskE
>>50435734thanks for trying to liven up the thread with your shit b8 m8>>50435777https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqps25XBj3I is the goat.check the reddit wiki there's also like 7 different pictures
>>50436419Am I fat or what because when I flex like that I see no muscle pop out :(
New to /fraud/ just ordered 2 bottles of test, 1 bottle each of aromasin, nolvadex and clomid. I'm going to pin 250mg twice a week for 10 weeks. What am I in for? Will it affect my sleep and work? I work in a factory so I assume it'll help a little.
>>50436633lol you are in for disappointment and very small LBM gains
>>50436633u are in for a disappointment. you wont feel anything for at least 2 months, after that you possibly have better gym recovery and slightly higher libido. that's about it. zero affect on work or sleep.
>>50436675I was thinking of kick starting the first 6 weeks with dbol but I know it aromatises easily, would you guys reccomend it?
>>50436633If you have a decent routine and eat well you'll see really fucking solid gains on 500 mg/week of test-e
>>5043663310 weeks isn’t long enough, at least 16 but 20 is ideal.
>>50436633I assume it's Testosterone Enanthate (Test E)If my guess is correct then order a third bottle and run that shit for 15 weeksTest E is a long Esther so it won't kick in till about week 3.Kick-starting with Dbol is an option but you gotta AI from day one.Man up and buy another bottle, then run that shit for 15 weeks
>>50435702>>50435734>>50435747>>50435777>>50436419>>50436594>>50436633>>50436669>>50436675>>50436706>>50436729>>50437563>>50437705Can anyone sell me some steroids?
>>50437726Yeah what’s your address?
>>50436633Lmao test e kicks in 6 weeks so you only have 4 weeks of gaining muscle. Plus being on 500 mg you won’t see a drastically change. If you wanna look like you take steroids you should be doing at least 1g per week.
>>50436633>What am I in for?Like others already said: dissapoitment. Test e takes long weeks to saturate your blood fully and you won't feel anything from test. Not even strength gains. You will get stronger over time but it will feel like you had to work for it so forget about sudden strength gains. 10 weeks is way too short because you will get fully saturated around 8 weeks in and this is when you might feel that test itself is helping a bit with strength gains. Unironically testosterone will make you feel worse when it comes to your daily life. If you actually put work in the gym expect to become sore as fuck like you never hit the gym before (this will go away at some point). Truth is that food makes you bigger and stronger. I can blast all sorts of doses and nothing gives me as much strength as solid caloric surplus. If you can't afford more test i would say you should cut the dose in half and run 250mg for longer period. At least you will have more time to adjust things and optimize your gaining rate before you run out of gear.
>>50438024I forgot to also mention pip. It depends on you and your gear so remember you might be not able to walk properly after injecting steroids in your ass.
>>50438024>>50438042You full of shit son. I have a friend who takes test e 500 mg and he is big.
Can all tren be injected subcutaneously? Maybe I'm just being a pussy but I've been injecting like this for a few weeks and it burns like a motherfucker for a few days each time and I haven't been noticing the tren effects as much. IM injections I barely had any pain. I'd keep doing those but I ran out of the longer needles I was using. So basically I just wanna know if the pain seems abnormal does it means it's not working? I'm fine sucking it up as long as it's working.
>>50438140Quote the part where i said he won't gain muscle you fucking retard.Also, doses have noting to do with being small or big.
>>50438183Why This dude is going to be disappointed? You have no common sense mate, it’s impossible. You are horny all the time, your mood and the way you think improves, you are more alpha. I’m running 2g and I feel like GOD
>>50435702there is this girl at my gym that is a solid 4-5. she alwys works out in minimal clothing, mostly nude. what do i say to her? I want bad, looks easy
>>50438194>Why This dude is going to be disappointed?I can guarantee 100% he is diving in thinking he will blow up, get shredded and big at the same time. Every natty thinks this is how it goes.>You are horny all the timeDepends on individual. I ran doses from 100mg per week up to 1g and never felt any change in libido.>your mood and the way you think improvesIt doesn't. You might think it does but it's all placebo.>you are more alphaLook at this alpha male in pic rel.PS.>I’m running 2g and I feel like GOD>that anon is going to run 25% of that doseWhat makes you think he will experience same effects as you?
Okay so I'm going to be frank here, i have been working out for about 6 months now 4 times a week and I might have lost something along the likes of 5 KG and I'm getting fed up with the sacrifices and struggles i had to endure to get here, I'm 26 years old 125 KG at this moment 3 months 4 times a week 3 months now 8 times a week I can bench press something along the lines of 80 kg and deadlift at least 100kg. the problem i have is alot of stomach fat och i really want to slim down, Any steriod or pill to increase metabolism would be a nice tip of you
>>50438194>I’m running 2g and I feel like GODoh yea?
>>50438231Don’t talk to me if you’re running less than 2 grams Kid
>>50438259DnpFork putdowns until failure, you fatassDont do steroids as a whale
>>50438286 You got nothing, don't you ?
>>50438180Feel like I should clarify, I'm pretty used to a variety of muscle/injection pain but this feels like I'm injecting straight lava and it's pretty instantaneous. Just wanna be sure I'm not doing more harm than good
>>50438259>>50438296There is no fucking shortcut to losing fat you dumb lazy shit. There are no steroids that burn fat and even on dnp you still have to eat like you would on a normal cut.>i have been working out for about 6 months>I'm getting fed up with the sacrifices and strugglesjust quit and save yourself trouble
>>50438304Jesus Subq trenNo thanks jeff Get more needles brah, they are cheap af
So I saw an anon in this thread talking about doing 250mg Test E 10 weeks. How much gains can one expect to make with this?
coping natty hereWhats the cheaters' opinion of MK677?
>>50438822How can that be? Shouldn't 250mg at least triple your natty test?
>>50438827People cruise on 100-150ish depending on how they react.250mg is higher sure, but for fuck all benefit. Why shut yourself down for a marginal increase in test levels? 500mg test e is a complete beginner cycle, very mild itself and will provide better gains than natty for sure, but not as much as people thinkTest + deca + dbol/adrol to actually put on mass>>50438760Good for hunger + low gh benefitspeople shilling it as oral gh equivalent are autisticAlso, how are steroids cheating? Most of us don't compete in tested events and spoiler: all your favourite athletes/actors are juiced up too
500 mg Test E + 800 mg Bold + Adrol finisherComing soon to a theater near you
currently in my 4th week of test and mast...my dick and balls are tingling like crazy, cant go a day without busting a nut, falling asleep is hard when i can only think about sex fuck mane, im probably gonna rape a girl in the next few weeks
>>50438180Try heating the oil on a mug warmer or in shallow water.
Any ideas on why im not losing weight? im about 6´3 (192 cm) and about 210lbs (95kg) im doing keto and ive been eating 2100 kcal for about 3 weeks. lost 2.5kg the first week and only 0.3-0.4 the other two weeks.i was expecting to loose around a kg per week.im on 500mg test aswell and i have my E2 under control so im not carrying any excess water.the thing is i look better by the day, and going the tape measure im gaining/losing in all the right places. training PPL 3 on 1 off.Am i actually gaining muscle and loosing fat? because thats what it feels/looks like and thats what the tape suggests. also my lifts have remained about the same.
Currently on trt and got blood result back prolactin is at 12ug/L and I seems like I got anemia.Should I be worried about my prolactin level?Also any tips or idea why I'm anemic?
>>50439495cant build muscles if youre eating lessyoure probably just shaping upmaybe even go lower with your cal intake also isnt 500mg a bit too much ? cruise on 250mg a week, thats still enough
>>50438259>125kg>sacrifice and strugglemate you're life has never been about struggle getting up to that weight already at that age you're just a fucking disappointment
>>50439906>cant build muscles if youre eating lessthats what i was thinking but everything seems to point towards it.
>>50440196I'd say don't question why but enjoy the benefits then
Can masT or someone actually big chime in? What’s the highest dose of test you’d do if sides weren’t a problem? 1g? 1.5g? Or is high test pointless without other compounds?
>>50437726Sure if you gimme a rimmy and pat my tummy I'll fetch you some test
>>50441178I don't even need the test but where do i sign up?
7 months expired but people here said if it looks good visually it should be ok to useHows it look?
>>50435702150mg wk of ten with 500mg wk of test eTrying to cut .. hows my first cycle look?
>>50441305>ampoules my condolences it's very hard to tell from your picture but looks fine. inspect them for crystallization or anything floating in the oil >>50441369you're a moron
>>50441305You'll be fine since its unopened just warm it up under some hot water to decrystallize.
If I wanna cruise at 150mg test e, should i only inject once a week to avoid the needle dead space
>>50440677Everything from 1G test fucked me over hard. >>50441614https://discord.gg/KkRB7P
>>50442518is this the same guy as always?? there is always ONE (1) fucking faggot talking about his fucking deadspace and special needles and space technology pumps. if not, when you draw from your vial you simply draw 1.1ml instead of 1ml. and let the 0.1 go to fucking waste. this is cheap stuff.
>>50442558Well it's a bigger deal when it's only 150mg and no I'm a different anon that actually pins. I'm still 12 weeks away from cruising but wouldnt it just make sense to pin 1x weekly with such a low dose
>>50442592ok. in that case, yes. it makes sense to inject only once per week or maybe e5d. if one didnt care to much about the small amount of waste that occurs its arguable better to inject more often like eod. because you will have more stable levels and because its such a small amount of oil it will be quick and easy.
I need /fit/ BEST, and simplest cycle recommendationI want to1. put on 10 pounds lean mass in 20 weeks(will eat at maintenance)2. i want to avoid anything very androgenic(i have a noticeable receding hairline)3. I dont want to hold alot of water on cycleI got great results with 500mg test cyp for 20 weeks, but i was holding a fuck load of water on cycle.Someone recommended 250 test cyp, 250 NPP, anyone have any opinion on that, or recommend something else?
>>50442540Really? Damn, I'm clearly doing something wrong and was hoping maybe high dose could help. I've made no noticeable progress in the past year and a half on gear. Any tips from anyone?
>>50442740EQ is probably your best bet. Dry and low androgenic rating.
>>50441381What’s wrong with amps?I like running sust 250 as a test base since It’s pharm grade and never had any issues even with ood boxes.
>>50435702not technically a question relating to fitness, but have any of you frauders seen any changes in your facial structure while on juice?
>>50442878holy shit thats pricey
>>50440196Kid, you are putting hormones in your butthole. What is supposed to happen? Obviously you going to put on muscle no matters what.
>>50442749crap gear? not eating anything but candy? not actually going to the gym?
>>50443018Gear is reputable source, diet is pretty solid 1.25-1.75g/lb, I work out hard usually 4 or 5 times a week. I look “good” just not big I can’t commit to a bulk cause I end up getting fat every time. Last time I did high volume (I did GVT) I ended up covered in stretch marks maybe I’ll go back to that.
>>50442558No I am THAT guy and in my question I also asked for a cruise dose of 150mg Test.>>50442592Inject once a week, get tuberculin syringe, draw 0.4ml air in, push 0.2ml into the vial and pull back when the oil in the syringe reaches the line of the amount you want. Guaranteed 0 deadspace with this setup.
>>50442749You either have fake shit, aren't getting enough cals or have such dysmorphia you're huge and don't realize it
>>50442878Don't know the site but it is very pricey. If you just wanna be above average fake natty and pin trt doses a 30 dollar vial will last you 12-16 weeks.
>>50442878no fucking source talk you retard. enjoy your ban.
>>50442740>will eat at maintenance retard>I was holding a fuck load of water take your ai retard >avoid anything very androgenic [due to] receding hairline not how it works retard, it's DHT.>don't want to hold a lot of water >nppretard >>50442967no, that's never gonna happen and anything who claims to have seen changes is either bullshitting you or just got leaner and realized they have a jaw under all the fat >>50443014retard >>50443113>I can't commit to a bulk>someone helpsounds like you know what the issue is, retard
>>50443171Shits real very reputable source, I’ve gotten fat from a bulk so that’s not it, honestly I’m small af I look good but way smaller than I wanna be. I feel like there is a key to this puzzle I’m missing. Maybe switch up my training or something, tired of asking Reddit and all the “science” 95% look like ass as per their progress threads.
>>50443272I’ve committed to a bulk last year I got fat as fuck albeit I couldn’t train legs cause of surgery so that probably had something to do with it.
>>50442740>I want to put on 10 pounds lean mass>will eat at maintenance
>>50443292How hard it is to get fucking bloodwork done to check your actual test levels you fucking mong? This is the first thing you should do before asking any retarded questions. After you get your bloods results you will know what is your next step to resolve your problem.
>>50443347I get them checked when I’m cruising never on a blast, I’m in the military I don’t want that shit on my file to fuck me out of a pension if I ever get medically kicked out for an injury that they can attempt to blame on roids ie torn ligaments
>>50443292my honest guess is that you hopped on gear as a relative beginner and you never figured out how to train properly and now it's biting you in the ass. you can't have a perfect diet, perfect training and real gear and still not make process. the fact that you got fat on your previous bulk just tells me you don't have your nutrition as under control as you think you do and your comment saying you train "4 to 5 times" tells me your training isn't planned very well.
>>50443436It’s 4 or 5 cause I’m doing a 4 day 5/3/1 split with extra hypertrophy work I do a 5th most of the time for extra deadlift volume to get my deadlift up now that I can train legs again. You’re right on the diet to be honest the bulk wasn’t as controlled as it should’ve been after 3500-4000 calories I went full dirty bulk to get the cals in.
>>50443427so stop asking retarded questions and fuck off
>>50443521>4 day 5/3/1 Holy fuck nigger I found out part of your problem why the fuck are you doing that shitty Powerlifting program on gear
>>50443802Progressive overload, I use it for main lifts. Accessories are all bb style
>>50443891Don't listen to that guy. Strength and muscle mass go together, only a newfag would think other wise
>>50443900Lookin joocy senpai, what do you do for arms?
>>50441227Just slide into the dms and we can arrange something
Don't you hate it fellas when they leave needles laying around in the gym sauna. It is quite unsanitary
>>50444755First of all. Who pins at the gym?
>>50444774Better question. Who saunas at the gym?
>>50436633I'm doing the same thing this guy is, and just learned what I wanted to know. I'm at week 3 and I'm making progress, but I wasn't sure if it was just me eating a lot and trainign hard because I wasn't feeling the "magic" that some people talk about. It there anything I can do to bump up the results? Other than the fact that I'm going for 15 weeks?
how can i maintain dick gains when im off mast?
>>50439859Anyone knowledgeable about this please?
>>50445239we're not your doctor, dude. that's what he's there for. ask him about your anemia.your prolactin is fine.
>>50444928Viagra and Cialis 24/7
>>50444813Boomers and homosexuals who like starring at people's dicks in the sauna
>>50444847can you change a cycle 3 weeks in?
>>50435702Hey manlet roiders, how does it feel that I mogg all of you as a natty after just 3 years of lifting?
>>50445828t. 6'5 natty with 21 inch arms
>>50445828no responses basically means that I mogged all of you offline. Such is the life of Chad.
>>50445828Mirin hard bro. Routine?
>>50445892>>50445828I do arms twice a week. 80lbs dbcurls coupled with 120lbs barbell curls.
>>50445828fucking fraud i bet your pinning
>>50445828>>50445916You're a copelet coping hard at my top tier natty physique.
>>50445828Oh look, I also mogg roiding photoshoplet David Laid. Double mogg with heightmaxx. Triple gains with facemaxx.
>>50445828It's hard to believe you're natty
>>50445828Wtf, no way this is natty u fucker, you have to be juicy
>>50445977>>50445964100% natty with a functioning dick as well. Feeling mogged yet, low T pinners?
>>50445828coping manlets can't respond since i BTFO all of them with my glory.
>>50439859No fuckin clue mate. I became anemic on tren test and var. my hematocrit went DOWN somehow too. Haven’t roided since after that cycle
>>50446017t. coping incel.
>>50440677No you fucking idiots. Roiding manlets only chime in when it's time to SUCK DICK
>>50444774Only pussy betas with no dick.
>>50445828Hourly reminder that I still MOGG all of you
tren/trt test/anavar/eca or tren/trt test/albuterol/eca or both for cutting / recomp?
I have a question for the most advanced users ITT.What would you guess has been Jeff Seid’s PED program to achieve pic related (205lbs 6’).1. Assuming he’s on gear for life (blast/cruise), what would you say he stacks in your opinion for blasting/cruising? And for how long?2. Muscle insertions aside, how long would it take an average lifter to get to that muscle mass to BF ratio?
>>50448166this is a stupid post
>>50448218Not him, but probably because the dude is blasting everything in sight (tren, mast, test, orals, etc) but using grams and grams of gear
>>50448241Are you seriously saying you need that much to look like that? I know he’s an IFBB Pro but he isn’t THAT big come on now
Hey guys, does a very delayed orgasm (that felt pretty good), sound like high or low e2?
>>50448267yes and this is factual, anyone who has ran gear knows this as well.> also 30 pounds away from Arnold in his prime, while being 2 inches shorter and at a lower bodyfat year arounddelusional andy should be your trip name
>>50448166hes probably spending almost $10k a month on gear
Femanon here. Getting ready to start my first cycle, I know anavar is preferred but is it possible to run a successful bulk on winstrol if you're a chick? Source only sells winny.
>>50448908Depends on how big you like your clit and how stubbly you like your chin
>>50448969I know Var is less severe, but if I'm only running 5mg every other day of winny it wouldn't be that bad right?
>>50448908Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt5qWylRDA0It's about twice as androgenic as anavar.
>>50449037Ty, I'll give it a look.
let's say i found a crooked online doctor to prescribe me TRT, like 100-200 mg of test c per week. i have low-normal test as it is, about 480 ng/dl. is trt even worth it? i'm too much of a pussy to blast and cruise. i just want to gain some more muscle because i still look like shit after ~20 months of lifting and eating without steroids.
>>50449143what's your age? Also those "online TRT" places are fucking expensive and therefore not worth because even raw test powder is super pure these days and never under dosed.
>>50449143Where do you live anon? A lot of places have pop up TRT clinics that are way cheaper and "legal"
>>50449351i'm 30 years old. the one i found charges $500-700 for the consultation and first-round blood work, then $100-120/month for test + ai + hcg (can only be purchased through them as they won't transfer the prescription from their state my state) and bloodwork once every 6 months. i've considered doing UGL but i don't like the legal risks. i also want the support of an MD if my shit goes sideways for one reason or another. i've actually ordered UGL test before but pussied out and threw it away.>>50449382near philadelphia. i've done some research for local doctors that prescribe testosterone. the general consensus is that there aren't very many, and the ones that do prescribe it are a pain in the ass to deal with and considerably more expensive than the online clinic i found.
>>50448908aside from anavar, sdrol or primo are your only options
>>50449533>sdrolMethasterone? And I thought winstrol was right behind Var with popular roids among girls? When did that change?
>>50449546you're getting trolled
>>50449502Hmm in the case I think it's worth it for you. You're 30 years old with low T, and it's sure as hell not going to get better from here on out. I think you'll experience more than just slight LBM gains, it will improve your energy, mood, and sexual life. Those 3 alone will benefit your quality of life.
I'm on a test only cycle, 2nd week. read the responses to the other guy who is doing basiclly the same thing. I found a source where I can get other gear in about a week. I'm thinking about adding something else. This is my first cycle, what should I get? I'm thinking winstrol for the next 5 weeks, but I don't know how plopping it in the middle of things will effect me. I know orals are used to "kickstart" but I don't know if using it in the aftermath will work ( I know it'll work, but I don't know if side effects will be worse)
>first week gain 10 lbs>second week gain 5 lbs>third week gain 0 lbsAGHH DBOL WHY?
hunger on MK is REEEAALLLyou dont get this on low dose GHbut it sure beats Sub q slin pins every day
>>50450111>hunger on MK is REEEAALLLThis should go away after a few days anon
>>50449967You’re bulking right? Dbol. Tbol if you’re a pussy or var if you have the cash.
>>50446897>trt testWhy?>ecaKinda a meme. Consider DNP>albuterolSee above>varThumbsup.jpg
>>50450308holy shit never answer anyone's questions ever again
>>50450152I already have an AI, Do I need anything else?
>>50449967Literally why did you and your three brain cells decide that winny is what you need in the MIDDLE of a bulk? Dear Lorde end yourself
>>50445828Lmao you look like shit
>>50445828where the fuck did they hide your delts my man
>>50450404because I ask like to ask questions from people who know more than me.also its still mostly at the beginning.
AZUSA IS A SLUT AND A SHIT-TIER WAIFU NO ONE WOULD EVER LOVE HER, CERTAINLY NOT COME TO DEFEND HER HONOR(jerry we're looking for you for the new discord, please respond)
>>50448985Would you really want to run something that can cause permanent changes in your body even at a low dose?
>>50448908please ignore these literal retards. although var is ideal, winnie is still an optionhowever var is very easy to source and you should easily be able to find even a domestic source in most places for legit var; google for roid forums with source reviews to find more sources>https://pastebin.com/RwY7Z0iWthis should be a good start on info for you. I highly recommend getting the heck away from this thread for beginner info otherwisebest of luck, anon- t. female roider
>>50450519Post your friends tits you crack hoe
>>50450762Spit on my 20 year old pretty boy face pls u muppet. 5 hours away bb
>>50450353A bra for your new found bitch tits
>>50451141last I checked, that's what an AI is for
>>50451226Suck a hairy dick gyno boy
>>50450762Wow, women really WILL go to great lenghts to fuck each other over
>>50450762Stop transforming into a nigger
>>50450496>>5045050621 inch arms cold (22 1/2 with a pump) basically destroys any roider out there. What were "Arnolds" arms at again? Eddie Hall posted a measly 21 inch with fatceps as well. I'm at 10% bf. Sit down kid. PS: Doing 100lbs dbcurls for reps with perfect form
>>5045225110/10 b8Would consume off a hook againA* Ebayer
>>50452342Spread dem glutes JM style bbi
>>50452342>>50452434Hentai and CCFC sextape when?
>>50452692Soon, but estp won't get a copy
For my bulk I just add a tray of fresh oven baked cookies to my diet. Ends up a 750 surplus with a glass of milk.
So I started doing steroids 4 weeks ago and guys, I’m thinking that I was a low test guy. My semen is getting stronger after every cum. My back acne is almost gone and I can train every day literally without sore. Can’t wait till making real gains after 3 more weeks.
What does everyone think of test and boldenone for a first cycle ended with winny to lean out?I'm thinking 12 weeks 500mg test E and 250mg boldenone a week and the last 4-6 weeks to help lean out from everything else
>>50454190You need to run test e a bit longer Go for like 15 weeks at leastEq is a test based compound so you shouldn't have that many problems with it but eq cycles need to be on the longer end of the spectrumSo let's say your cycle is between 15-20 weeks instead
>>50454170Those are all placebo as steroids have the exact opposite effect you’re reporting.
>>50454259 Makes sense, I'd have 3 bottles of test E 250mg/ml so I might as well use it all, would the winny at the end help lean out and get back to the 12-15% bf I'm at currently and I was planning in running 250mg/ml for 10 week since I don't wanna buy more bottles and waste it, so I'm thinking I'd do > 15 weeks test E 500mg> week1-10 week boldenone 250mg> week 10-15 10mg 4x daily
>>50454569Ask ccfc for more info but test e and eq gains should be pretty lean and dryEq can be run at higher doses since it aromatises way less than test so up it for something like 250mg E 3.5DRun Eq till week 15 tooAt that dosage your cycle will be exactly 15 weeks
>>50454666I assume it would be safe to mix the 250 eq and the 250 test together in a 3ml syringe? Or would the mix cause more pip? I'm just hoping so because less needles seems better to me
>>50452251yeah but where the fuck are your deltoids my dude
>>50454805Yeah first pull the test then the eq and try not to let them mix
>>50454805Less pinning is always better, should probably work, just be careful And often pip is because the carrier oil is absorbed too quickly, so if both of your compounds are from a source that uses good oils that shit won't happen
Give me a single reason why anyone would eat estrogen pills (clomid) to increase your own test production for pct rather than kick-starting it with hCG.
>>50455482Would front loading help while using eq and test due to the long esters? Is there any reason to not do it for my first cycle?
>>50455707I have no idea for front loading but probably shouldn't do it for the first cycleAs for eq in the first cycle, there's the problem of not being able to troubleshoot if something goes wrong.It is test based so in all likelihood you probably won't have problems with it when you don't react badly to test.A lot of people at fraud don't like it that much though.You also need to probably donate blood at some point during the cycle.I quote ccfc the based rimmy helper and the Reddit wiki:"Keep it simple"The rest is up to you
>>50449143480ng/dl is hardly low-normal lmao
>>50455527that's not what clomid is you fucking retard
>>50455527>estrogen pills (clomid)
>>50445828where are your front and rear delts? pls train properly you look shit
>>50455941>>50456029Clomid is a synthetic estrogen that also works as an anti estrogen because its weakness and its property of binding to the estrogenic receptors. Literally a estrogen pill. Do your research you larping retards, them come back and answer my original question. Fuck.
>>50456495you're a fucking moron get out of my thread and get a basic understanding of the hpta
>>50456556Nice basis for your rebut you mouth breathing larp. Nothing I said was wrong. Gtfo.
>>50456495>Clomid is a synthetic estrogen no, it's not. source this retarded claim immediately.
>>50456495clomid is a SERM(selective estrogen receptor modulator) chemically it looks nothing like estrogens and it only binds and makes its effects in certain tissues types like blocking the ER in hypothalamus but no effects in other tissues."Clomifene is a nonsteroidal SERM that inhibits estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, inhibiting negative feedback of estrogen on gonadotropin release, leading to up-regulation of the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clomifene#Pharmacology
>>50454805Mixing in the same syringe is fine even with different carrier oils. You are wasting your time with 250mg EQ you will notice nothing. It takes 6 weeks to even enter your system and 400-600 mg is considered a low dose.
>>50455707I frontloaded EQ my first time using it after the first injection, just to be safe and check reactions first. Good EQ has almost zero PIP. I did 400mg week 1, 800 MG week 2/3.
whats the best stack for pure strenght?orals?
>>50455707Not the best idea to do it your first cycle though. Dosing AI and learning to deal with side effects and how you feel is what the first cycle is all about. Get some Cylisalic* acid and Keto shampoo if you have not already. It's one of the most important things to have.
>>50454190I think it’s a pile of poopoo
>>5045419016 weeks test e 500mg and go keto during pct, bam leaner but if you're a legit fatty looking to lose weight don't do anything or you'll get the moobs and mooner-face like >>50454259hentai has
>>50454190Running 3 compounds for your first cycle is retarded AF.
>>50459420Lmao keto, calm downWhat you want op is a heroin binge straight after cycle>>50459461I know, 6 compounds minimum, all 19nor or 17aa, run at a gram minimumAi is a meme and so are bloodsYou’ll do fine op, if your organs hurt that means you’re making it
>>50458998Do you care about wait gain? If yes, halo or mtrenIf no, SDrol or DBol + HaloIf you want to ran it for longer than a few weeks ADrol+DBol is surprisingly effective and you can run it for a while
>>50458998>>50459683Don’t listen to anon, anonWhat you want is a positive attitude That what really makes us stronger
>>50459650>What you want op is a heroin binge straight after cyclelmao you think they can handle my routine? this is not amateur hour, CCFC >>50459699~~~JUST B URSELF~~~
Guys Im preparing my next cycle, it is going to be 12 weeks if test. Where i will both use test-e and p (week 1-2 and 10-12). Also planning a kickstart with dbol 10mg for 4 weeks. Will be running aromasin from dat one.What Im concerned about is bloat. I know it will be unavoidable with dbol, but how long will the bloat stay after i stop the dbol? Dont want to risk being a bloated piece og shit with painful pumps through the whole cycle
>>50459827Why 12?Why 10mg?Why asin day one?Why bloat?
>>50460008>all of these questions WHY USE BOTH TEST E AND P
>>50460008I have everything under control, it is Just that the dbol is new waters for me. So Will the bloat from dbol stick? And for how long?
>>50459827Take a borderline lethal dose of tren and report back.
>>50460134Usually when people say that it means they don’t have a clue what they are doing.Dbol bloat is controllable with good E2 management, dietary sodium restriction, adequate hydration and not being fat already.Any water or glycogen increase from dbol will subside after a couple days of cessation.Dbol shines at 20-60mg10 is a bit low to bother with.100mg will hurt>>50460221I know what my next stack will beYOTG
>>50460348Cheers man all i needed to know. Always nice to know you can bail the fuck out when experementing with new compunds. Going to start 10mg and taper up. Back, shin and shoulder pumps sucks so god damn much
>>50460400Bail or push through, sometimes it does pick upTaurine, potassium and a small amount of sodium for pumps, plus plenty of water, eases 99% of itRarely get them now on 100 adrol + 40 dbol
>>50460400dbol shin pumps fucking murdered me. 2nd worst site for me behind it being gyno in a pill and fucking my aromatization for literally a year.
>>50460416Heard about taurine and going to try that out. Salt intake always stays low. Cant wait to get back on the horse. Finished pct today and already planning my next ride in august.>>50460427Yeah shin pumps are the definitive worst. The pain is crippling. Luckly Im not prone to gyno, ran my last cycle without ai pretty much. Not going to do that again though lmao. I probably pissed once a day while gulping down like 3l water a day
>>50460536It’s so cheap there’s no reason not to run it year aroundSure there was a nice NCBI on it for heart health tooShould just always stay on the roided horse, it’s the best
broke up with my gr of 3 years should I crash estrogen to numb the pain
>>50435702Why in the FUCK would anyone ever pin glutes?>The needle for delt injections is practically invisible and feels like nothing. >Can clearly see where you are pinning and do not need to contort your body. >Little to no chance of hitting an artery or nerve. I've squirted high pressure blood from my ass cheek before. >And best of all NO PIP. Glutes feel like they just took a steel toe boot at maximum velocity after being speared by that giant fucking needle.I'll never pin anything but delts ever again. If you recommend beginners start with glutes you are a piece of shit. Fuck You.
>>50461541Glutes are utterly painless how do you fuck up so bad lmfao
>>50460653What? Bro that would even be worst, on crashed e2 I was obsessing over her everyday, and a broken hearted achy faggot with fucked up joints. never again
>>50461701and high e2 I would just cry
Anadrol is fucking incredible. I run low dose cycles so I’m kickstarting with just 25mg and after a week people at work are making comments, probably out on 5-10 lbs of glycogen.
>>50442540Can I get a discord link?
>>50435702>reddit linkYeah, fuck off.
Anger is the best preworkout
>>50462012>AnadrolCan someone /redpill/ me on Anadrol? It's like the one oral I don't know to much about. How does it compare to something like dbol?
>>50462417Puts on size like dbol but doesn’t aromatize.
250 test 300 eq 900 tren weekly 75mcg t3 daily. will i finally find the magic of eating whatever and getting shredded. i hope this works, i'm too poor for gh>tfw i went 4 1/2 months without visiting 4chan
>>50462549oh shit. any down sides? I'm about to do a 750mg test e and 600mg deca cycle with an oral. I was going to 50mg dbol, but now I'm going to research Anadrol
>>50462563Some bloat but not nearly as bad as dbol, more liver toxic so run 500-1000mg TUDCA, and some people get gyno from it despite it being a DHT and not aromatizing. I always run nolva with it just in case, ralox would work too. But just depends if you’re susceptible or not.
>>50462658noted, thanks for the reply.On another question, I got my gyno removed 2 years ago from a surgeon. Is it possible to even get gyno again? (It was AAS caused gyno)
>>50462784no, unless the original doctor didn't remove all the tissue.blast until you're heart explodes out your nipples and gives you a new form of gyno thought impossible
>>50459420Oi you cheap fuckin hoe, now you're never getting my face revealNot even the dick revealWas about to post a before and after for my cycle but there's no chance you getting that now
will gh make my clavicles longer or should i just kill myself?
>>50462784Nope unless he was a retard and didn’t remove the whole gland. You can stack adrol and dbol yknow.
>>50461651You must be immune to ass pain after years of pounding
>bought another cycle instead of paying off my credit cards again
>>50463196Is that you chem?
What would be a hair-safe, no-shedding safe cycles?Let's say person starts with finisteride, minox for prevention just in case.Test 500mg + Deca 400mg (what about fin+deca? Will that make the hair to fall out?)Test 1gTest 250mg + Deca 600mgTest 500mg + Superdrol 20mg/dayTest 250mg + 400 Tren ETest 125mg + 200 Tren E + 400 DecaHow much nizoral helps with Tren acne?
>>50463795anything DHT is non safe hair cycle m8 Including Test.although TRT test and an oral is probably the best, but if you're prone you're fucked anywaysfin doesnt get enough of the DHT
>>50463834Fuckyity fuck thenShould have gone the duta route... And I already got the damn finI am not shedding in crazy amounts but I dont want to shed anythingSuperdrol cycles will wreck everyting but at least my friggin hair will remainShould I supplement Zinc as well? Helps with dht (but not genetics, of course)
>>50463834Duta will kill the DHT heaps better but if you're really worried about hair, i use Duta,but i also supplement with Mast's meme stack, Pumpkin seed oil(tablets), Saw palmetto(tablets), biotin, and nizoral shampoo 2 times a week.Also Minox, but i never really blast only trt these days
>>50463904didnt finish that - but if you really are worried about hair, dont use tren mast or any high rated DHT derivative, they all have a rating on the reddit wiki, so check there for the least hair damaging
>>50462549Different anon here. Dbol gives me gyno hardcore but I didn't run nolva or a last time I defs regret it. I'm smol trying to get big what's better sdrol or anadrol. Need to know ordering soon.
Guess who is off surgeries and getting swole again (me)500lb dl for the first time in 4 years today :)
>>50460081Why listen to a heroin using muppet
I'm in week 3 of my 500mg Test E cycle and have gained only 1kg yet (but I could do this as a natty)Is my gear bunk or am impatient?The gear brand has a verification code which was legit and everyone says they have good experience with it.
>>504647023 weeks is barely getting started.
>>50466097So around what time should I expect to see weight changes?
>>50466139Just eat a lot of fucking food and lift hard. It's your first cycle.
>>504661398 week mate
>>50464133Adrol if you want size, sdrol is for once you’re already shredded.
>>50464702Test E doesn’t even saturate until 4-6 weeks brainlet. And like anon said >>50466168 steroids won’t put on size if you don’t eat, it’s physically impossible for them to generate mass if they don’t have the calories to do so. It’s like upgrading your car’s engine but not putting any gas in it. Don’t be a retard.
Yo. So I'm gonna' do some DBOL (because I'm a pussy) because I'm gyming for 8 years or so and I'm bored of how I look. I go ED for ~2 hours doing PPL and I look merely "okay" and it's been that way for way too long. I'm sick of that noise. I'm 27 and realised I've only got another ~50 years or so if I'm lucky. Don't wanna' spend that dwelling on how I could have looked...So I take 20MG DBOL in AM and PM ED for 6-7 weeks. Supplement that with some Liv 52. Take 0.5MG of Anastrozole while on-cycle and then Tamoxifen 40MG ED for 10D and then 20MG ED for 10D when off-cycle.This is only gonna' be a one-off. I don't plan on doing this long-term. Just want to make some gains again and see whether I can keep some of them.I guess my question is whether I should also be taking Tamoxifen while on-cycle (I read somewhere 40MG ED) or whether the Anastrozole is enough (which I also read)?Thanks bros.
>>50467354Read reddit wiki in full
>>50467354Stop being afraid of needles.
>>50467492I'm 99% gonna' do this anyway so I was more looking for an answer on the Tamoxifen question on whether I should be taking alongside Anastrozole or whether it's for PCT alone.
>>50467826Dbol suppresses your natural testosterone so enjoy feeling like shit for months and losing whatever gains (water) you make kiddo.
>>50467851Will do. Think I'm gonna' do the Anastrozole and then Tamoxifen for PCT. Let's see what happens...
>>50467911Dumb boomer detected.
>>50467911>claims to have read the wiki>is doing an oral only cycle>doesn’t understand basic AI or PCTmake sure to post your titties in 4-6 weeks bro ;)
>>50467826> I know better than you and I'm gonna do this stupid thing, just help me do the stupid thing please
>>50469376You can only help people so far anonWe will have to wait a couple weeks until he is back>why do I have sexy C cup tiddies>where did my gains go>why do I look so bloated and soft>why do I have no energy or boners
If I refeed one day and drank alcohol the days after would I lose glycogen quickly assuming I remain low carb on the aforementioned days?
god I wish I had a home gym
>>50470793you're on roids AND have social anxiety?choose a struggle lmao
>>50470966I don't have social anxiety, I just hate some people at the gym.
>>50470793sometimes I do too, sometimes I don't. I like the people watching aspect (and the hot girls) of going to the gym but goddamn do I hate having to wait for a rack or bench. absolutely infuriating having to stand there waiting, doing nothing or having to fuck up my exercice order and thus ruining progression on more intensive/important lifts.
>>50470793Is this a fucking pitch black reference?
>>50471098>>50470793>tfw small gym at a place I used to work>absolutely free>almost always empty>good friends with the people that work out ther when it's not empty>TV with YouTube so I can blast any music I like without people complaining or using earphones>airco at 16 degrees Celsius and ice cold water dispenserIs this making it?
>week 2 of first cycle in the books>humping the bed on a daily basis>staring down the thick chicks at the gymTell me this is just the beginning lads, I want more, turn me into a giant angery erection
>>50473023Wait until you do tren
4 weeks into test e, gonna run 600mg for 20 weeks. I'll get bloods done around week 15. If everything goes well I'm gonna blast another 15 weeks but this time with tren. Cruising is for niggers.
>>50473217Didnt make me more horny, just made me not give a shit about rejections. I never get le sex drive on cycle, though my natural drive is pretty high
>>50473217Can't wait, I want to be an unstoppable sex machine.
>>50473023try test tren mast proviron mtren and caber
If you have essentially unlimited deca, test, and mast but only those what kind of cycle would you do? Goal is to look like a freak in mid August so it would need to be a bulk then cut. or mini cut, bulk, mini cut. Or recomp all the way there.
>>50473545ignoring your timeframe because it depends on your starting point and could be unrealistic>heavy test/deca bulk>heavy cut on cruise (just test, EC stack, etc)>hopefully you're lean (but depleted and flat) around here>test/mast slow/lean bulk (possibly even maintenance if you're happy with where you are, which is doubtful)
>be me>diagnosed with non-hodgkins lymphoma>diagnosed with thymoma>diagnosed with non-invasive adenocarcinoma>diagnosed with basal cell carcinoma>Immunoglobulin deficient>Rapid development of lipomas all over trunkI'm not a gambling man but if I was I'd put some hard money down on the year or two of the rainbow of research peptides I was on...
>>50473217Ooof>>50473545Urm all of them at huge doses for the maximum amount of timeYOTG>>50473645Have you tried just being yourself?
>>50473237Rate my plan ccfc>>50473684
>>50473605I actually like that a lot, I am going balls to the wall cause I am calling this my last 'real' bulk. I am happy with how I look currently I want like a bit of thickness on the arms maybe like a quarter inch/half inch max more honestly and some back size/ strength so my row and deadlift make sense relative to my bench.
>>504736841G/1G/1G YOU ONLY TRAIN GUNS
Foreman at work mentions to me he is about to start his cycle soon, I ask him about his liftsNo OHP, no deadlift, 225 squat 240 bench. Claims Sustanon250 has no side effects so there is no problem with using it.
>>50473839no ohp is fuckin odd. I understand deadlift and squats, those are usually the first two movements to go (and strangely this guy squats, although at a ridiculous bench:squat ratio)... but no ohp?
bros will I keep all muscle mass at a very low calorie intake cutting on 500mg test and 50mg/day var?
>>50473436Hell yeah I will brother, might even just chuck all that shit on the latter half of this cycle
>>50473839>>50473935Even rippetits is /redpill/ed enough to stop recommending OHP for beginners. Purely egotistical lift with unironically little cross over to function OR aesthetics.
>>50474105I haven't been keeping up with rippetoe or ss but I very much doubt the ohp is gone from The Program™ it's one of the best delt exercise there is tbH
>>50474105DB raises have made my shoulders look juicy tho..
>>50473645Oh no, that shit sucksList the peptides?Mt2/gh in that list?Good luck
>>50455786i'm at the low end of the normal range on my test results.
>>50474501yes and that's even way too much gear for a heavy cut.
>>50474501You could go down to like 150-200mg you'll be fine m9. Var is good for reassurance since its anti-catabolic.
>>50474501What's your previous cycle experience? I don't think I would be able to stop stuffing my face on 500 test/week. Other anons are right, only need about 150-250 to maintain suprahuman levels of muscle.
>>50475344I've done several cycles before. I was just gonna run var at the beginning of this one for a short but hard cut. It's a struggle not to eat but I think I got it under control
>>50475389Look you'll probably keep 98.7% of your mass on 125 mg test + 50 mg var / week, keep your lipids in check, not feel as hungry, not use so much gear (inb4 cheap), etc.
>>50475474Well I'm about a week in so I guess I can drop to 125 or 250 for now and up it in a few weeks.
>>50475474Not that anon but would cutting with 150mg test weekly and like 25mg winny ed be a good way to cut?
>>50437949You're an idiot. Test E kicks in straight away and then slowly diminishes over the next 14 days.READ A FUCKING BOOK OR STOP POSTING
i keep beating the fuck out of my dick and it still won't go down. it genuinely is starting to fucking hurt.
>>50475539Seriously where does did this le 8 week saturation time meme come from. Within 24 hours of pinning your HPTA axis is reacting (aka suprahuman levels of test), and steroidcalc, problems it has, shows 90% peak level by pin #4. >>50475522Never used winny, but I think consensus is that it only shines once you're already lean (<8-11%). CCFC or someone else knowledgeable, how would you tier the ways to cut? Does the following make sense?>(S tier) Test + Tren + Mast (+ winny if going to a show)>(A tier) Test + Tren>(Meme tier) Test + Var or proviron>(Roiding for this) Test
>>50475539you don't understand saturation times>>50475936about 3-4 weeks for 100% assuming 2 pins a week and no frontloading
>>50475906Kick it until it stays down
>>50445828No front delts
>>50475539imagine not understanding esters, half lives or saturation times all in one post and trying to tell people to "read a book"
>>50473839Dollars to doughnuts, he's gonna take 1mL per week, eat like shit, and not use any PCT.>>50475906Have you tried putting it in a woman?
>>50473714>super unsensible and bordering carelessI love it anon, fuck the bloods at week 15 tho, I mean largely what difference will it make at that point lmaoHow much tren?I’ve been blasting since August, haven’t got bloods and donated onceIs this smart? No it’s super brainletAnd I dead? Only inside>>50473741Yeahhhh buddy>>50475936>knowledgeableFuck that’s me out then.Winny is nice for strength in general if it doesn’t rape your jointsI think with cutting its finding the compounds that you enjoy running the most, you’re going to be feeling small and shit, eating less and hating life, might as well run the compounds you feel the best onSome people cut on only test but abuse t3,dnp and phed, id rather run higher gear and lower food but each to their ownPersonally I use A tier, and then an oral of choice, usually adrol or dbol (odd choice you say, I love the fullness and feeling and you can keep water eight down easily on a cut)