What is the best /diy/ way to prepare for societal collapse?
guns, food, water, community
>>1657529This. Gold and silver are cool long term. But short term think about all utilities and cell phones kicking the bucket. You'll want useable commodities for trade. Cigs booze fuel solar gear learn to build diy wind turbines. Ways to purify water and a spring with plenty of it would mean a lot.I prefer to just buy guns since they use inflation to their advantage and it's a self sustaining hobby. Find a deal or act like the pawn shop for buddies. Then keep whatever I can. Can always trade later and they don't expire.
>>1657501Learn survival skills. Put away some food and water that you keep rotating out so it doesn't end up outdated. Get a couple of guns and sufficient ammo. Build good friendships with like minded people.
>>1657501Become a coffin maker,https://www.pbs.org/video/woodwrights-shop-plain-pine-box/
>>1657501Get EMT training.
enclosing land that you desire, then defend yourself with weapons and/or traps. hunting and knowledge of how to skin animals for meat would be real useful too
>>1657501Build a Concorde in shed, so you can fly away from your shithole afap.
>>1657816I went through an EMT course. Your essentially just trained to keep a person alive long enough to get to properly trained medical professionals. Anything more advanced than superficial bleeding is out of their hands.Without the endgame of getting someone to a legit doctor, splinting up someone's fractured femur or stopping bloodflow from a gunshot is a waste of resources you could have used to help someone with better survival chances. In the event of societal collapse, EMT's will be useless.
>>1657916No, you want through a basic first aide or CPR course. EMT=Emergency Medical Technician, they are highly trained and very capable, any decent EMT will be able to fully treat a wide variety of injuries and sickness.
>>1657501canned food, fortified shelter,clean water, anti nigger weapons
>>1657924Well aware of the differences, in that I've done combat life saving courses in the military, basic first aid in police academy, and 6 months of EMT training and passed the NREMT cert.I'm speaking 100% confidently that EMT training is next to worthless without a doctor at hand in a societal collapse situation. Anything requiring more than basic first aid will likely be a death sentence without someone more skilled than an EMT. But do tell me, what sickness or injury they're so qualified to treat? What are your sources of information telling you they can accomplish these acts?I will reneg on my statement the EMT's would be useless, because they do have knowledge of basic first aid. That much understanding can go a long ways towards preventing minor injuries from getting infected, but that information is mostly common sense and freely available to brush up on.
>>1657933>without a doctor at handmedical doctors are mostly useless, serious. They have a professional degree not a science degree. PhD in biochem and pharmacy are the smart disease curing types.Honestly, downloading a bunch of medical texts, and diagnosis tables and medication guides would be worthwhile. Decision trees on computers get to the correct diagnosis just about as good as any doctor. Then just look at the proposed treatment and contraindications. Any critical thinking man with good reading skills can provide all the care a GP can. A surgeon is a whole different thing, but you can actually get pretty good by practicing on animals. A deer and pigs anatomy is remarkebly similar for learning purposes.
>>1657936>Decision trees on computers get to the correct diagnosis just about as good as any doctor.*cough cough* bullshit *cough cough* willful misinterpretation of resultsEven the ECG paper was severely flawed.>>1657933>and passed the NREMT cert.*THE*? It sounds like you think being a first responder (so proper first aid course) makes you a fully fledged EMT which is nonsense.
>>1657501Create the societal collapse so it happens on your terms.
Quarantine California first.
>>1657924You're thinking of paramedics, friend. Honestly RN or CNP is what you want.
>>1657819Make sure to stock up on food and water, too. Everyone and their brothers going to try their hand at hunting, and they're going to waste alot of deer when they realize they dint know what to do after shooting it
>>1657534You are probably over estimating the value of tobacco and alcohol. Smarter people will stop smoking and drinking and the dumber people will start drinking industrial ethanol and smoking nettles.
there was a Bosnian guy who did a war blog when Yugoslavia fell apart , he listed Real Prep stuff , google it , it was very fallout 3 survival stuff , trading an bartering ,
>>1657885Boosting this>>1658294I don't think I found exactly the thing but:https://www.primalsurvivor.net/shtf-survival-tips-and-stories-from-bosnian-war-survivors/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-06-09-fo-1929-story.htmlhttps://www.amazon.com/Dark-Secrets-SHTF-Survival-Violence/dp/1792159226https://shtfschool.com/
>>1658169>It sounds like you think being a first responder (so proper first aid course) makes you a fully fledged EMT which is nonsense.Then I guess you misunderstood me, or don't understand the qualifications of becoming an EMT. It's as easy as a 6 month course, and then passing the national and state certification tests and getting hired somewhere. But no, I'm not an EMT, because they make shit pay for working shit hours--because the training is so basic. In a functional society, EMT's are still extremely valuable. They most definitely save lives and perform duties that are above and beyond what your standard basic first aid course would teach you. A lot of this above and beyond training is essentially how to prolong life under grievous conditions or how to generally not make the condition worse in transport.However, we're talking societal collapse, and being able to extend one's life over the course of hours or maybe even days is great and all, but without an endgame of having someone better trained to hand the patient off to, a lot of the EMT training is useless outside of basic first aid. Maybe I'm forgetting some obscure situation in which only some EMT specific training might lead to a full recovery--but my point was and has always been that a lot of EMT training is kinda pointless if we're talking SOCIETAL COLLAPSE. Any incident that someone can't just walk away from is likely a death sentence in this sort of scenerio, so why would you need training on c-spine immobilization, oxygen usage, and traction devices when all that is going to do is ease their comfort in route to a hospital which may no longer be operational?>>1658267This. Paramedics require 10x the course hours of EMT training, and at the very least can administer IV drips--which seems like a very handy skill in a SHTF scenerio. I can see why people would think an EMT is qualified to do so much, in that most ambulances have one of each on board.
>>1657924No. You want a vet. Vets are way smarter than doctors. Plus they can stumble through surgury.
Water/environmental engineer here, worked amply in mechanical and electrical too out of necessity. I'm handy af, and will always have water to drink. God tier in a crisis.
>>1657501grow weed and cook meth, then you can be the post apocalypse kingpin with an army of tweakers who never sleep
>>1658855this, anyone who is good with environmental/water stuff will be a demigod in SHTF. safe water is harder to get/make than most preppers think, and you'll always need more than you think.
>>1657501/emt/ weapons factory, gardening, etc.
>>1657838Paraglide and gas station hop. Couple grand and free
>>1658281But it's the dumb sheeple that smoke and drink. Keep you addicted and unhealthy so you give hard earned money right back to cucklesam on top of the fact unhealthy means a lifetime of medical bills you can never pay off.
>>1658909Miner here. If there is water to be found I'll dig town to them shits. Diy filters and distillers are easy. Proper minerals will be the least of your worries so fuckit
I'm prepping while saving to dig a bunker. Garden ez mode and even fruit trees in winter. I'll be sipping shine in my hot tub with all normal utilities while the cucks outside ahoot each other over a packet of top ramen
>>1658171>Create the societal collapse so it happens on your terms.creepy one. does this happen at all?
>>1658945I have a small blocked off well in my back yard that former home owner made, he was a "prepper", he also made a cold damp bomb proof bunker. If I want to keep the well "healthy" should I put it in use and water my plants with it, or keep it virgin.
>>1658281>Smarter people will stop smoking and drinkingAbsolutely clueless
>>1657501Practice giving really good blowjobs. Or, bulk up on other important skills.
>>1658909Pea gravel, sand, another layer of pea gravel, charcoal, layer of pea gravel with larger rocks under that. Boil for 10 minutes. Let cool, pour in and out of a container to oxygenate for taste. Done.You could boil for less but why risk it?
>>1659014First, bleach it. You can look up dosage charts online based on diameter and depth. Pump and discard like mad. Repeat once more. Order a water test kit. Wells go bad when not used.
>>1657523unironically this if it's gonna be longer than a year.
#1 Don't be broke. Dirt poor survivalists prepare for SHTF and then can't cover minor medical issues. That's dumb.#2 Have useful skills. Fix cars.Grow food.Drill WellsHam radioFirst aidFirearms instructorBuild things.#3 Don't go it alone. Identify a small group of other geographically close useful people. Be friends with them. Hang out. Build trust. Ask them to work together with you if SHTF.
>>1658858Underrated>>1657885But why?Who would you take? Blonde or brunette? I think brunette is one of those short girls wit tig ol’ bitties and would be real good. Super skinny girls aren’t very fun.
>>1658942Concorde, because nobody will care enough some weird plane in museum, thus you can steal it.
dont bother, it will never happen
>>1658281If anything more people start smoking and drinking during hard times. I forget the exact stats but poor people drink and smoke way more than the middle class.
>>1659778It's already happening, retard.
>>1658281Nah man, dumb people know how to make moonshine in a bathtub
>>1658281Alcohol has medicinal and practical uses you idiot.
Believe in God. Matthew 6:26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?
>>16590097 simultaneous nuclear detonations
>>1658942I meant paramotor but i also retract that statement since it worked so well for grant
>>1659845Yap.The best vusiness to have in a recession is something gubment funded like infrastructure that is necessary or a liquour store for the ones that got sacked
>>1660394Maybe. But I'd rather just buy jerky than takle a fucking cow
>>1660429>nuclear detonationsNo such thing. Detonation is a chemical process mediated by shock compression. The explosive lenses detonate, but the nuclear explosion is from a runaway chain reaction that dumps a lot of energy into the material of the bomb, which then expands from the heat.
>>1657501Get ten black wives and have ten half black sons with all of them, then release your Tiger Woods Army of Superathletes into any town you encounter and get all of the supplies, as half black they’ll appreciate that they have a Dad around and as half something else they’ll listen to you.
>>1657529/k/ /ck/ /int/ not /diy/
>>1658281The potability of alcohol will keep it popular
>>1658944and they will be dead. because they are dumb. how hard is this to figure out
>>1657501Besides stocking up on weapons, food, water, and precious metals, I would probably say get licensed in HAM radio so you can communicate with other autists who also have prepared for societal collapse.
>>1657819This. It makes it easier for the marauding hordes to rape and eat you and your family if you remain in a central location. It’s the polite thing to do.
>>1659923Some people are bitching over twitter and knocking over trash cans and this fucking pussy is wetting his pants like Rome is falling. Baby’s first political upheaval I see.
>>1657501Best /diy/ way would also merge a bit with /out/. Have useful skills, like first aid, mechanics, construction, carpentry and farming to learn to make your own shelter and food. Learn to use non-electrical tools such as a hand drill, adze, axe, shovel, trowel, etc.You can do a lot of preparation now by yourself such as first-aid training and getting a first-aid kit, installing water butts for rainwater harvesting, installing water filter kits, solar panels for direct electricity, a vegetable garden for practice plus as a seed bank, keep a few chickens, planting fruit trees (many don't fruit until they are several years old), having a non-mains way to cook food such as wood stove, building a root cellar, building a wood shed, building discrete security measures such as planting thorny bushes on the perimeter, reinforcing your windows and doors, etc.Don't go nuts and turn your suburban house into a fortress with barbed wire, rows of potatoes, and boarded windows, that will obviously attract unwanted attention, always keep it invisible.
>>1657501Think about the things you don't think about. What to do when your water/electricity/garbage/sewage cuts off. You can /diy/ most of your utilities, rainwater harvest for water, solar for electricity, burn pits for garbage, latrines for sewage, etc.
>>1661217haha, you're so edgy and funny anon
>>1657501Get out of debt, get to know your neighbors, start producing as much food as your area permits-potato towers, Kraty hydroponics, etc, learn to cook with simple ingredients and simple means like haybox cookers, rocket stoves, etc., get guns and training to use them. Figure out the defensibility of your area. Learn about field fortifications and obstacles that can be done with simple tools and limited materials. Learn skills. Primitive skills, repair skills, combat skills, think all the knowledge a Special Forces A team learns. You won't be hiring professionals to fix your car, or replacing that broken toilet.
>>1663238In a true SHTF scenario, are you really going to be so concerned about land area that you need to try to make potato towers?
>>1663259shtf LARPers are the worst, and have no clue. If they did have a clue, once a year, in really bad weather, they would walk out the door with their bag and head for some unknown woods and they would stay there without their phone for a month.Anything less than this is pure fantasy. The guy you referred to mentions a broken toilet. There will not be any running water for the toilet, broken or not, even if you have a well. Unless they're all talking about "playtime shtf", which is what they are.
>>1663264>even if you have a well.I mean, most shtf larpers are cancer but you never know. These days its cancer to be without amenities. And it's comforting to know you will have them if a storm rolls through and fucks off the power for a week.Also please tell me how the fuck your well will magically dry up?
>>1663274I think anon was unaware of non-mains-powered pumps.
>>1658945>Miner>on diyYou must be 18 or older to post on 4chan
>>1663264Look at this retard. Look at him and laugh.
>>1657501Underground Shipping Container full of Imitation Crab Meat.
>>1663399You faggot thata minor
>>1657501Learn to spot the type of people who are willing to kill you.
>>1657819but dude, traps are gayor is that the point?
>>1658171ooh, spicey. I like
>>1657529>communityGood man. And its nothing you'll find in the major city centers. If there's ever a real black swan event I hope all you city dwellers have access to a motorcycle of some sort.
>>1664710>If there's ever a real black swan event I hope all you city dwellers have access to a motorcycle of some sort.See, I find myself hoping for the opposite. I don't want a bunch of cityfags coming out to my property, making me waste my ammo.
The cities are screwed if the shtf. billions of tons of food are trucked into major cities, just to keep the idiots alive. If those trucks stop delivering the chow, those people are gonna drop like flies. if you live in the city, you need a plan to get out, and a place to go where you can fid a way to feed yourself. People who live in the country, already have these advantagesSeeds don't turn into food overnight. It takes a few months to go from seed to producing vegetables. So at a minimum you need to have 90 days worth of food on hand, or an existing reliable source.
>>1664750>a place to go where you can fid a way to feed yourself.Where though, as you have pointed out, there are already people in the country and they are not likely to just let you walk all over their property and livelihood. In this overcrowded world, you are not going to find some plot of fertile wilderness for you to settle, especially in the West.
>>1665048I meant that you need to plan in advance. Make arrangements so that you havea place lined up, a friend or relative in the country who can take you in and put you to work.A lot of people who live in New York, rent storage units west of the city. A rented garage where they keep a vehicle and supplies. If people are starving, and you're carrying a backpack that might have food in it, you could be attacked. Better to look like you have nothing. This is why they keep their supplies outside the city. They just need to get to their supply stash, they don't need to carry it with them while they are getting out of the city. pic related: an SUV loaded with supplies, in storage in w jersey .
having a plan could save your life. keep your plan updated. test your escape route out of the city, by car, by bicycle, and on foot. Solar flares could take out power grids, and EMPs could take out electronics. So don't rely on your car being operable. you might have to walk
>>1665249If you don't pay your storage bill, they will sell your stuff. A guy paid $5,000 for an overdue storage auction one time, thinking he was just getting a Jeep. In the Jeep he found guns, ammo, tools, supplies, and $20k in silver and gold coins.
>>1665249>>1665711come to think of it... that was in west jersey.
>>1665477Something that can generate an EMP large enough to take out all the electronics in a large area is going to kill every in the area also. People don't know how hard it is to actually kill electronics with an EMP and any significant range. You need something with the power of a nuclear bomb to generate a large EMP and even then most electronics will survive it. To actually kill every cell phone or GPS in a large area you would need something so powerful it will simply kill all PEOPLE in that area also and you won't have to worry about it.As for a solar flair, dude, please. A once in an epoch solar flair would take out power for a few weeks at most. There are cities in the US and Europe that go about that long without power because of bad winter weather. It's not going to end civilization. Especially since it will only be damaging the transmission of power, not the generation of it. You'll have guys running around in trucks for a few weeks replacing transformers, not riots in the streets. And as battery-backed solar becomes more and more common it will be less of an issue.
>>1666000https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_mass_ejectionCME take place regularly, they are responsible for millions of dollars in damages to the power grid annually. What you at home experience as a "power surge" is often caused by solar activity. Much more common in the tropics. Large events are less common, but not unheard of. The sun is monitored constantly, and alarms are in place to give early warning so that power equipment can be shut down to reduce damage, but the warning is less that 8 minutes before the strikes occur.
>>1657933All of the EMT/paramedic/first aid training in the world cannot replace a skilled medical facility. EMT won't be removing an appendix, or doing surgery to treat a gunshot wound, or putting in a stent for treating a heart condition. You will be transported to the days of medieval medicine, or at best, the 1800s.
>>1657936>Decision trees on computers get to the correct diagnosis just about as good as any doctor.This is why IBMs Watson failed as a tool in the medical field. All it's used for today is low level Q&A for patients. It's useless for medical tasks and procedures.
>>1658294is this it?
>>1659014have it tested, check with county extension agent or health department. Too many amatures dig a "well", only to find it contaminated by surface runoff, septic runoff, etc. Usually, shallow wells=no gud water.
>>1658660In the end, we're all animals.
pretty sure most tradesman would be useful in a postapocalyptic scenarioeven if you are unprepared you can work for someone who does
>>1657501Just loot what you need and eat the people you took it from