This week's Star Wars comics>Age Of Resistance: Supreme Leader Snoke #1>Star Wars Adventures #25
>>109949329Whenever I hear the word "resistance" now, I think more about the Dark Crystal and Star Wars than real life resistance. Does that make me a normie?
>>109949632What real life resistance is there to be thinking of?
The adventure of the man who did nothing and then died
This comic stuff would've been nice to know about before Snoke got cut in half.
>>109949750>he outplayed Snoke's telepathic abilities once alreadySo, what was the point in dragging Rey along to the Throne room and not taking Snoke out as soon as he chewed him up for the Starkiller failure? Apart from trying to get his dick wet.
>>109949685I can't believe Luke Skywalker is dead
>>109949748I maintain that Snoke being nothing but Kylo's boss is all that anybody needs to know about him. He's the bigger bad guy, done and done. What the fuck did the OT ever tell anybody about Darth Sidious? Did anybody ever NEED anything told about him?
>>109949740>>109949750Snoke fucking sucks.
>>109949928Yeah, I'm pretty bummed. The Hux and Phasma issues helped a lot with their characters, but this should have been the Kylo-Ren one-shot
>>109949906My problem with Snoke is that he's basically a copy of Palpatine, except less interesting. Even before the prequels, Palpatine at least had that hamminess to him that made him stand out.
>>109949837Leia still lived. Even in The Last Jedi, he couldn't bring himself to kill his mom, that was his subordinates; and he never finds out that she survives. That was adorable and gave Kylo so much humanity but what's important is that that's the point he makes the decision to strike out on his own. He only ever says "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" once he thinks there is nothing left of his past, nothing to go back to. Rey was the final push he needed to decide to start over from scratch with her.
>>109949851>that rainbow hairstyle
>>109950042>posting images during a storytimeDon't be an asshole.
Next week>Age of Resistance: Rey #1>Age of Resistance: Rose Tico 1>Doctor Aphra #36
>>109949837he outplayed snoke when he was in some force tree away from snoke's actual view. he needed rey as a distraction to do it in plain sight.
>>109949329does this explain who he is?
>>109950079>Age of Resistance: Rey #1>Age of Resistance: Rose Tico 1>Doctor Aphra #36
>>109950034he's not like palpatine at all though. he's more pragmatic and not nearly as devious.
>>109949329>a Snoke bookWhy?>>109949816>>109949838>>109949851>this is IDW Star WarsI can't believe Star Wars was in better hands with Marvel. IDW SW is just Steven Universe.
>>109949329> a snoke comic> after not only he died, but he went down like a chump.gee I dunno.
>>109950124How is it even like Steven Universe?
>>109950076>storytime ends 2 images laterRetard
>>109950124Nah, Adventures is usually great.
>>109949906It is a wasted opportunity, a blank slate that doesn't even have charisma to justify itself. In the original saga the emperor had buildup and was hammy, memorable and obviously held inmense power, he was the empire and the dark side personified. Even without the backstory, he still became an icon. Snoke needed a backstory because without his he's just a lesser version of something that has already been done.
>>109950221>just a lesser version of something that has already been done.something something prequels something something dicksucking
>>109949748It would be nice to know about in the movie.
>>109949906Palpatine's looks and demeanor told you everything you needed to know about him. I mean, he was dressed entirely in black. Snoke is just a guy in golden bathrobe
>>109949329Not really into the new Star Wars stuff.Is it ever explained what the fuck the First Order even is? I thought the Empire fucking scrambled after it's Emperor died. Who are these assholes and where did they come from? Why isn't Leia President of the Galaxy or whatever?
>>109950164The tone and overall aesthetic of the book is peak SU. There's even a rainbow hair OC. Any bets on if she's nonbinary?
>>109950338Difference is as shit both are capable of being, SU at least made a decent film,.
>>109950097This. Snoke was focusing fully on Rey, the moment Kylo chose he took it to snuff the idiot out. >>109950121This. He's just a dark sider who got lucky to get Sheev's spoils.
>>109949748the Moment he slap Ben i throw his character to garbage again!
>>109949906That's not how storytelling works, Palpatine didn't need much info because there is no previous works contradicting him. Snoke existence in the other hand need an explanation, being a force sensitive user rising through the ranks of the empire is supposed to be impossible due to the rule of 2Also Palpatine had several things about him shown in the old trilogy, he was part of a democratic goverment but somehow changed it to a dictadorship, he was part of the ancient order of the sith.
>>109949837Empath not telepath.Smoke could accurately read Kylos hate but misinterpreted the target
>>109949651This singular page is literally the only time i have ever respected Snoke as a villain
>>109950124>>109950161they have to give the chump a backstory sometime,
>>109950329>Why isn't Leia President of the Galaxy or whatever?Because she was set to be, but someone used proof of Vader being her father to turn the public against her at the zero hour.
>>109949329>SnokeWho gives a shit
>we get a Snoke story two years after killing him off>it tells us absolutely nothing about him and is just as much Kylo's story as it is Snoke'sThanks anyway, OP.
>>109950329I haven't been following the new canon all that closely, but I read that some Imperials went into the Unknown Regions and came back strong enough to wipe out the New Republic and presumably conquer the galaxy after TLJ.
>Disney "Star Wars"Fan fiction to me.
>>109950079>Age of Resistance: Rose Tico 1Laughing my ass off.
God, I hate Snoke so fucking much. They don't even try to hide that he's nothing but a bargain bin Palpatine who they are probably bringing back for the new movie anyway so his character is even more useless. The First Order stuff in general is pretty stupid, Abrams and Johnson are fucking hacks that couldn't come up with a new villain so they basically copied the Empire conflict wholesale but handled infinitely worse.
>>109950909I agree. So, I was digging into old Legend shit lately, and I find it really interesting than I anticipated.Now, There is no need for me to care about current nu wars contents.
>>109950079>Age of Resistance: Rose Tico 1Predict its sales numbers lads.
>>109949805>Rose Tico #1For what purpose?!
>>109949614Fear flying is clearly something his mother taught him.
>>109949632It makes you complacent.
>>109952270What should we be resisting right now?
>>109949838How many women with colored hair do we need Leia to be friends with? Couldn't they make at least one of them an alien or something?
>>109952538How many are there? Last I checked we are at one.
Dumping Captain Phasma and General Hux since they were good too
>>109949329oh joy its Snoke that character so many people care about!
And now the issue that made me love Hux
>>109953081Phasma is refreshingly coldblooded. This is like one of four things she's in where she winds up killing or almost killing someone who looks up to her
They should just reveal Snoke was a failed attempt at creating another Anakin, but Sidious couldn't replicate Anakin's birth and created a deformed creature that's powerful with the force but physically unstable.
>>109949632Welp, at least it isn't Muse.
>>109950034I wonder if that was the point. A failed clone that palpatine just let run around thinking it was in charge.
>everyone complaining about Snoke having a comic>Phasma had at least three
>>109950329>Is it ever explained what the fuck the First Order even is?Picture this. All of the A-Class officers, the best of the best in the Empire, were on Death Star 1 when it blew up.All of the B-Class officers were on Death Star 2 when IT blew upAll of the C-Class officers died in Operation Cinder or surrendered after Return of the JediThe D-Class officers fled to the Unknown region and camped out for 20 years.They are what the First Order descended from.
>>109953081Gee Imagine if we had seen phasma do all this bad shit in the movie where she's supposed to be the villain.oh gee.
>>109954276And I thought Grevious had it rough. At least he had one cool scene, canon or not.
>>109953899>The D-Class officers fled to the Unknown region and camped out for 20 years.>They are what the First Order descended from.But where did their resources come from? And how are they more competent than the New Republic?
>>109954412>And how are they more competent than the New Republic?Mothma disbands 90% of the military within the first couple years of the NR existing and that stays law through to TFAThey revive the Senate and allow planets to be "independent" from it while still going there to complain about problems they are having. Ryloth is one of them.FO purposefully started leeching spies into the Senate/governments of certain planets to turn them into sympathizers to the cause.
>>109954276>>109954301And I'll add to that >>109953420Gee, Imagine If we had seen why hux is dangerous, in the movie where he's supposed to be a big threat instead of just seeing him yell all the time to no effect at all.oh gee.
>>109949777This was more Kylo Ren's story than Snoke's.
>>109954505Alright, the NR was fucking retarded but that doesn't explain where they got the money to build an even bigger death star.
>>109954536just turn your brain off bro. wait for JJ to maybe hint at a hint of the answer in 9.
>>109954570So it hans't been explained?Jesus
>>109954276I'll be honest, I really want her to show back up improbably in IX just to die immediately again. Commit to the bit at this point.
>>109954576we barely have a well-put-together background of the FO outside of the financial situation. We don't know when Snoke shows up in it, other than it's at least 15 years before TFA. We don't know what happened to Grand Admiral Sloane, other than she's is most likely dead with all the first wave FO leaders thanks to Hux, Phasma, and Snoke killing them off.
>>109954643So what the fuck has Disney been doing with the new EU? I at least thought that basic stuff like that had already been explained but I just had no interest in reading it, but it turns out that absolutely nothing has been explained in the films or anywhere else.It's almost sad.
>>109953096REMINDEREvery character who has Died and had a Age of comic, has had this page mention their death (example, see Snokes one above)EVERY character who has died....Except PhasmaCould this mean...
>>109954728It's almost ironic. The old Star Wars EU was famous for needlessly delving into even the tiniest detail, background character and throwaway line.Nowadays, they can't be bothered to even give their main villains a proper backstory.
>>109950164Disney Wars in general feels like SU:>MC is OP.>Rainbow haired-binary OCs running around every corner.>Setting is under utilized, instead we get more 'messages,' and vague character types.>Obsession with modern day gender issues which detracts from the story at large.>Comically inept villains so our perfect heroes will never be in danger because danger is problematic.Thing is:>SU, for all it's faults, developed it's characters from their base archetypes-and I say that after hating Steven and writing fics where he's getting tormented.>Compare that to Rey who is blander and thinner than a piece of cardboard.>SU villains at least had some oomph to them before Steven talked them down and wrecked them as characters- Snoke however, had none and got taken down like a Punk.>At least Jasper flipped the bird.>SU has better lesbian shipping.
>>109954728>So what the fuck has Disney been doing with the new EU?filling up the OT era, giving the prequel era a bone every now and then, giving the ST era a bone at least once a year. They are shit out of luck for churning out story after story for the post ROTJ timeline because of the ST movies. They aren't being written to a specific guideline, since JJ and Rian are/were the ones making up the story on their own. Once 9 is done and hated into oblivion Disney/the LSG can start letting authors write things to fill up that time period and fill out the backgrounds the movies won't give us.
>>109954643>>109954728>>109954779We have the full thing explained between the Poe Dameron comic and Bloodline (which was a kino book by the warning color feminist /tv/ likes to spam with all of the political stuff put together by Rian Johnson). There's even a new CIS, you actually have to bother reading stuff though.
>>109954762>>109954589You guys can't seriously believe there's a chance she won't come back for a third one's the charm.
>>109949906I sure would like to know how the fuck he gained power and where the fuck he came from but this trilogy is a goddamn mess that relies on spinoff material to function on a basic level.
We need to tier list these "Age of Republic/Rebellion/Resistance" comics (split the "special" stories)Ill start with RepublicS Tier:Jar Jar and RexVentressA Tier:AnakinObi-WanGrievousB Tier:DookuQui-GonDarth MaulC TierMace Windu
>>109954795>since JJ and Rian are/were the ones making up the story on their ownThat seems to be the worst mistake the ST trilogy made, no one knows what the fuck to do with it because there was no plan for it.>>109954797So could you explain it?
>>109954863I mean, Gwendoline fucking loves Phasma, plus they've expanded all this stuff on Phasma and shes actually a pretty decent character nowThey gotta bring her back a 3rd time, even for shits and gigglesFuck, have the "Sith Troopers" be clones of her, I dont care
>>109950079Rose Tico 1 of 1Man I feel bad for that actress.
>>109954983That actually sounds better than what we got.
>>109954728Disney's execs care more about the movies, so they're horribly neglecting the SW EU. What little lore we do have, was given off as an after thought by a focus group and then handed to someone like Cuck Wendig who can't write worth a damn. So that means:>YA dystopia out the yazoo because Hunger Games sells.>The Empire is EVIL, not in the Roman sense but the Deception sense, and they start destroying civilized space for no real reason after Sheeve kicked the bucket.>Vague inferences to rival governments formed after the end of the Empire, but nothing else.>Apparently all OT aliens got genocided by the Empire because Disney renting the franchise or something.Not helped are the execs holding a negative view of fans and consumers, seeing them as the necessary evil.
>>109954919For all of Kennedy's and Lucasfilm's shilling of being strong and empowering (while pretending Kreia, Mara Jade, Ahsoka, and the countless other well written females don't exist), they've been pretty disrespectful with Phasma.Before TFA came out I thought she would have been like a next generation Mandalorian, or a hardened villain. But she's just used as a joke every single time. Wasted potential the character
>>109955014Yeah the rebel hotshot alongside the former raised-as-a-soldier-since-being-kidnapped soldier of the FO could have been neat buuuuut thoose chararacters are so similar, you know? We needed someone to challenge Finn.
>>109954797Yet we've seen nothing afterwards. Only that the old aliens were hit with a zombie plague and that spess republicans were a thing.
>>109955044>lucasfilm>pretending ahsoka doesnt existAnon, theres a reasonA. Why people are starting to hate herB. Why TCW S7 will be shit
>>109954983We could have had a Finn and Poe misadventure What the fuck Rian
>>109955067>>109955020The only aliens that were had a genocide were the Geonosians.
>>109955090Alphabet Squadron mentions a genocide or two.
>>109955020If you're going to be lazy at least use the wook instead of begging for things to be spoonfed to you. It's all documented there https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page
>>109955020>>The Empire is EVIL, not in the Roman sense but the Deception sense, and they start destroying civilized space for no real reason after Sheeve kicked the bucket.I can't decide whether Disney/Lucasfilm is just infiltrated by Rebelfags or if these retards really believe this was a good characterization. People liked the idea of a morally dubious or even lawful evil bringing order to a chaotic galaxy, and that the Empire itself was formed in reaction to a corrupt and dying Republic. Take all that away, add some retarded operation Cinder plot, flanderize Palpatine, and you get Disney Star Wars's Empire
>>109955189No, you get the First Order. The Empire is exactly what you described. The First Order is the problem, the whole ST is the problem.
>>109955242New planets like Nacronis and Dhen-Moh, which may have had human populations, but it leaves room for debate. Also other Cinder targets.
>>109955090>pic relatedAt least try to do your jobs.>>109955153>Can't summarize >DAT SPOONFEEDING>Lazily links to a wikiThe burden of proof lies on you, not I.>>109955189My guess is that the suits needed someone to reset canon so that the Mouse wouldn't have to deal with royalty payments to such and such when a Gungan appears, so they ordered the focus groups to find a way to get rid of them. Kennedy and friends then gave that commandant to a focus group, who came up with Operation Cinder, and then Cuck Wendig got commissioned through one of Disney's off branch companies. It's profit driven to the extreme.
>>109955515>there were zombies therefore every race had a genocideJesus christ>continues to be lazyYou're the one making wild claims, not me
>>109955301>Nacronis and Dhen-MohBoth were planets created for that book, nice try
>>109955551>Evidence pops out>"ERMAGRD MEANS NOTHING">Deflection>Still no proofDisney really pays you too much.
>>109955624What evidence? That there were zombies? That's not proof, dumbass
>>109955624Look anon, all these OT aliens in Canto Bight right before TLJ happens. This is as evidential for my claim as zombies is to yours.
>>109955688>>109955765>seethingLook shills, your bosses are gradually eliminating them from the movies in favor of their 'NEW' aliens that all look the same, which plays into the royalty theory. To accomplish their elimination, the focus groups have found a few ways of writing them off, most notably the Zombies and Operation: Cinder. It's not Disney that's pissing us off, it's the corporate fuckishness where everything is driven by a 0.0001% profit increase.
>>109955963>caring about the movies that are released once a year against the hundreds of comics and booksHAHAHA fuck the movies, the sequel trilogy is all trash and the good films (Rogue One and Solo) basically flopped. You're missing out on the true heart of Star Wars and it's your own damn fault for giving a shit about the normie material
>>109954536It doesn't actually take the entire funding of a galaxy wide government to build a Death Star. The only reason Death Star 1 took 20 years was because of sabotage. They built Death Star 2 in less than two years. Plus for Starkiller Base, they cut corners by just terraforming a planet and putting in a superlaser and a warp drive.
>>109956105That wasn't my point.I went to the wiki and apparently the FO just raided planets and melted shit until they got enough money, but that doesn't seem like a good enough explanation as to how they managed to get so powerful while they were hiding in the outskirts of the galaxy.
>>109956188The First Order wasn't powerful, the New Republic just didn't want to fight them so they left them alone for decades. So what if a few Outer Rim planets got shaken down for parts and credits? They didn't care about those planets before the Clone Wars and they didn't care then.
>>109956260>The First Order wasn't powerfulSo a faction that had a planet-sized weapon that could take out multiple planets in a single attack isn't powerful, got it.
>>109950124Star Wars Adventures is legit kino
>>109950161Did you complain about all the comics and books that Boba Fett got after he not only died, but went out like a chump?
>>109956032>Rogue One basically flopped>it made over 1 billion dollarsOh shit, he's retarded.
>>109956628>The Force Awakens: $2.068 billion>Rogue One: $1.056 billionIt was a flop in the eyes of Disney, yes. The same way of Age of Ultron was a flop that allowed Feige to get Iger to move Marvel Studios away from Marvel Entertainment.
>>109956598Boba Fett is the most overrated character in history of fiction, literally nothing more than a random henchmen with a slighty different armor color and 2 fucking short lines through the entire trilogy.
>>109949661I still cant believe Kylo is being taught by a Sith Lord through Jedi methods more than Rey has ever received in this whole trilogy, yet still loses.
>>109956851>Snoke>Sith LordPick 1
>>109956188Pretty sure the FO is just a cover while the actual empire refined/grew with sheev.
>>109956260I thought the NR didn't know about the FO until recently and even then thought of them more like space North Korea until Star Killer.
>>109949777well this was shit.
>>109956698He had a cool jet pack though.
>>109956598He didn't go out like a chump.His dad on the other hand...
>>109954589Phasma is starting to grow on me not as a Boba Fett but as a bumbling but ruthless secondary antagonist
>>109956673Christ you really are retarded. Literally zero (0) people on the planet expected Rogue One to do Episode VII levels of money.You idiots don't know what the word flop means.
>>109957510>beat by a blind guy on accident>not like a chump
I want Phasma in the next film only to get killed almost immeditaly and then TR-8R comes outta nowhere and kicks finn's ass for five minutes then die to Poe crashing a X-wing into him.
>>109949906Being in sequels, Snoke's existence in the story carries a burden of necessary explanation that the Emperor's never did. Sure, for the plot of the sequels in and of themselves he needed little elaboration, but there's an expectation of understanding how the setting has developed that the films just gloss over out of laziness. What's more, what the sequels do tell us about the gap between VI and VII is more than a little contrived.That said, Snoke is a shitty concept for a character and there's no explanation that would have ever been satisfying.
>>109950649It's a lot worse than that. Palpatine needed no backstory because he represented evil in all its forms (the Empire and the Dark Side), and was part of the very premise. Snoke comes out of nowhere to ruin the established happy ending. When you have a sequel like this, you need to explain why the hell things went wrong.
>>109952746what's with her?
>>109960900She hasn't rammed a ship in hyperspace yet
>>109960771JJ's and Rian's refusal to properly explain the state of the galaxy post episode 6 is maddening.How hard is it to establish:>After Endor, the Rebel Alliance pushed the Empire out of the Outer Rim and established a truce with the Empire's newest Empress.>In the decades that followed, the shaky peace that so many had fought for began to deteriorate, and the drums of war echo once again>After the reckless expansionist interests of the New Republic provoke a conflict in the mid rim, many fear a new war could spread like wildfire across the galaxy>Non garbage version of the sequel trilogy begins hereHow fucking hard would that have been for JJ or Rian or both to just EXPLAIN the state of the galaxy their movies take place in
>>109956260>The First Order wasn't powerfulThe inexplicably have fleets of ships and soldiers on par with the Empire that came before them and built an exponentially more effective Death Star, they're powerful as shit and it's incredibly stupid.
>>109960962It clashes with Disney's corporate vision which has to be:a.) Extremely malleable so it's endlessly marketable.b.) Has to tie in with modern day politics because that sells to their target demographic.c.) They want another Marvel Studios so anything game changing is forbidden lest it get in the way of another movie. It's all driven by the bottom line and profit dividends.
>Snoke's comic>It's all about Kylohe is such a nothing character
>>109953210>>109953222>>109953238I wish there more of this dynamic in TLJ. They both don't like each other but Snoke needs both of them. Why did Hux have to be such a disappointment?
>>109956673You're absolutely making shit up. It was over Civil War's budget because Ike didn't want to pay RDJ money to get him in for it.>After friction over the budget on 'Captain America: Civil War,' the studio's film guru threatened to leave Marvel until Disney CEO Bob Iger intervened with a new plan.>In the end, and somewhat ironically, it was the upcoming Captain America: Civil War that helped catalyze a long-brewing civil war inside Marvel itself that ended with Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige breaking free from his longtime boss, Marvel Entertainment CEO Isaac "Ike" Perlmutter.Source is Hollywood Reporter.
>>109962743>You're absolutely making shit up.Age of Ultron was in theaters May 2015.Civil War was being worked on during 2015.Marvel Studios no longer being overseen by the Creative Committee was reported late August 2015.Feige definitely pointed to Age of Ultron's underperformance to strengthen his argument against giving Ike and the Creative Committee control.
>>109949906I fucking hate dumb arguments like yours that try to downplay how shit the writing for the villains were in the ST. In the context of the OT, you didn't need to know much about Palpatine because the movies got right to the point about how powerful he is:-You know that he orders around Tarkin and Vader, and you know that he has to be powerful because Tarkin and Vader are feared not only by the Rebellion but also by their own men.-You know how powerful he is by the fact that he was about to kill Luke, and it is only through Vader sacrificing his own life that the Emperor is defeated.Snoke:-Is surrounded by shithouse villains that act like they belong in Spaceballs. Kylo Ren's temper tantrums make him look less effective than Vader, and so does Rey beating him twice over the course of two films.-Somehow came to power while Luke, Leia, and Han were still around.-Is easily killed by Kylo.All that shit does is raise even more questions than the Emperor did in the OT.
Some pens for 'Return to Vaders Castle" series this october
>>109949777wow.it's absolutely nothing and they destroyed another OT set piece that everyone remembered fondly. remember everyone: all this is canon.
>>109949685Well, Kylo's got a reaction image for a face right there.
>>109949329Hot damn, what an awful character design.
>>109952814The enemy is barely drawn, but already looks more interesting than nu-troopers
>>109952835>>109952847>Makes stupid speeches during the combat>Threatens her own troops>looses focus because she has to show offPhasma is proving to be worse and worse with each issue
>>109956851But Rey has her old, crusty Jedi books! Don't you know that all you need to be good at something is to read about it? I bet if I read a book on karate I'd be able to beat the top 10 martial artists in the world without breaking a sweat.
>>109956868While it's true that Snoke isn't a Sith, there doesn't seem to be any real difference between the Sith and whatever Snoke is.
>>109949750Well that's interesting. How come he didn't notice? I suppose Snoke wasn't really good at telling emotions apart.>>109949777And this is good too specially given the final outcome.
>>109949728that's a fucking Injustice-tier face
>>109954983You could have spiced up the dialogue instead, you fucking retard.
>>109953769Snoke still doesn't have a comic.
>>109954511TLJ just feels like it was a collab between at least three writers that did not coordinate at all>Luke/Rey/Kylo arc was done good>the battle in space arc was wonky, with a few good ideas but some awful ones (Poe trolling Hux, Leia Poppins, the mutiny and Holdo being a cryptic cunt)>oh my fucking god the Finn/Rose arc who greenlit thisAnd due to that we have characters that have different roles in their own movie, like Hux being a comic relief in the first scene, then shown as somebody that just may fuck over everybody and be the final boss; with nothing inbetween it's just jarring, even more than Anakin's sudden heelturn because that was at least telegraphed - it was too sudden, but you could somewhat see what lead him to this
>>109953769I'm not complaining that he has a comic. I'm complaining that it doesn't flesh him out at all and is arguably more about Kylo than about him.
Hey everybody, we’re finally getting more info about Snoke!
>>109965872Well, Disney? We’re waiting.
>>109965872Caddyshack anon, is that you?
>>109949614This is a basic Jedi trick.
Too little, too late.
>>109949329>Snoke comic>it isn't even about him
>>109960962Blame RLM fanboys who bitched to high heavens about MUH BORING POLITICS. Does Coruscant even exist in the new canon, I first thought they blew it up in TFA.
>>109967338Coruscant is still there, it's not the seat of power at the time because the New Republic has too much money and just changes its seat of power every once in a while
>>109965513this just further cements Snoke as a moron which begs the question of how he came to power in the first place
>>109967409also Taris of all planets was confirmedman look at all the vital info, great thing the movie relayed that to us in an understandable manner and not through a fucking $20 artbook
>>109967449pretty sure Taris was first re-canonized in the Tarkin novel
>>109949674yeahyeah he would have
>>109967449>No-nonsense stance exudes authorityI missed these stupid descriptions.
>>109967536member when the AOTC visual guide spoiled Sidious keeping a lightsaber up his sleeve
>>109949777well that was meaningless and didn't help us understand anything
>>109967562the Sheev sleeve!
I remember reading a theory that said Snoke was a super super old Sith who had been in stasis for like 1000 years, Luke woke him up after mistaking him for a Jedi master (due to dark side trickery); and he turned all of Luke's students against him. Now that would of course be a bit silly, but it would help explain why Luke ended up so depressed. ah who am I kidding it's all bullshit anyway
>>109967562At the same time, look at these two pages: the only info we didn't get in the movies were the lightsaber and Bane namedropNow look at the two pages from TFA's and see that there are two things there that we DID get in the movie - that Resistance is separate from the Republic and that the woman that was the focus in the 10s shot of the Starkiller ray (we didn't even get her name lmao, unless you know the actress and read through the credits) was a Resistance member>>109967690Snoke will be a failed Sheev clone and you will like it dammit
>>109967690you also forgot that "Snoke was corrupting Ben from the very start" implying he was reaching out through the force when Ben was just a child or even still inside Leia. Luke would have had to find him pretty much directly after ROTJ for that to work out.
>>109965815>Luke/Rey/Kylo arc was done goodNah. Rey is still a hole where a character should be, and the entire backstory with Kylo and Snoke still doesn't make any sense.
>>109967709the visual guides always gave tons of names that weren't in the movies
>>109967709indeed, whereas Rey is a successful Sheev clone, which is why there's tons of reflections of her. A whole army of evil Reys! And to defeat them, Mark Hamill will come back, as Luuke, Luke's clone, and he will have to team up with Bigger Luke cause there's so many of them! Now that's writing.
>>109967817Now that I think about it, are clones' names adding a one letter or multiplying them by two? Since we have Luke->Luuke and Jorus->Joruus, it's important to know if her real name is Sheeev or Sheeeev
>>109967857Sheeeev was Snoke's nameRey is a she, so she's a Shesheeeeev
>>109953407>A radar technicianAnd that sudden vacancy was filled by "Matt".
>>109967690It’s all bullshit I guarantee no one at LF gave a legitimate fuck about Snokes origin or any decent world building
>>109968937clearly, since the LSG gave that option to someone not in their own ranks, and continually give that freedom to the book and comic book authors. So much for them hawking canon like they were announced to do as their job.
>>109967409>Hey, remember that one alien you don't know the name of you see in the corner of the screen for four seconds on a planet you don't know the name of right before he, and the solar system he is currently on, is vaporized by the new superweapon ?>He's the most politically important person in the good guy's side.
>>109970008And that's the problem - Valorum shows up for 90s in TPM, but we get enough exposition to know who he is and his place in the story, even though he's just as expendable>>109970186see, this would be good if they did treat it like, for instance, Bethesda treats TES lore - that is, it's supposed to be purposefully misleading, contradictory etc. because there's no omnipotent, reliable, unbiased narrator (with the exception of what we see as the PC)however, as seen here, this is not the case (how would they sell toys otherwise?) and instead the LF's story group, the supposedly fucking EDITORS-IN-CHIEF, have no call or clue what's happening
>>109970186>everything is canon unless we decide it's not anymoreIt's comforting to know there's no reason to get invested in the new canon.
>>109964425>remember everyone: all this is canon.>Implying
>>109971111Yes it is. This is the only version of the story you're ever going to get officially. This is what they say definitely happened as important backstory to their sequel movies.
>>109971144Not if they claim there's no truth in the Star Wars Universe.
>>109949558His fingers look like frozen bratwursts.
>>109971174Well then nothing counts anyway and you just clap for the pretty colours on screen.
>>109971144>That scene makes no sense!>Well.. you see, that scene, that scene specifically, was told by an unreliable narrator. What you didn't see that happened instead was whatever you can think of makes sense! After the scene, the unreliable narrator pops out again.>HOORAY!
>>109949587>Powerless men turn to angerWhat did they mean by this?
>>109971174>>109971207you lot didn't get what they're saying in >>109970186 at allIt's not 'unreliable narrators', 'metafiction' or whatever flavour of the year in storytelling is - they're saying there's no truth because nobody established it, because right now it's a free-for-all, with no place for assumptions - just because we assumed Vader learned about Luke in ESB doesn't mean it happened in this canon, all it takes is one person releasing otherwise
>>109949728Kylo Ren's fucking face.
>>109971311inspired by fanart.
>>109971144>This is what they say definitely happened as important backstory to their sequel moviesAgain.>Disney Wars>Canon
>>109950909Good for you.
>>109971280Oh I'd say everyone else understood what they meant.
>>109971348You can of course stick to the EU or just the Lucas movies, but to the handful of people who uncritically have an interest in the ST movies, this version of events is the one they'll have to accept as official and 100% trueThis has been called into question twice already with the TFA novelization contradicting TLJ and the TLJ novelisation contradicting TLJ as well. And the comic adaptation contradicting TLJ. And the junior novel contradicting TLJ. The German audio drama for kids made from the dub's sound track also contradicts the movie by rearranging scenes and dialogue to have it make more sense and alters events through the use of a narrator.There's not a single version of TLJ out there that matches up 1:1 to any other version of it.
>>109971409I'm with the dude on the right though, the whole idea of rigorously treated 'canon' is stupid most of the time, even in the word's roots it's a set of stories that are treated as 'the binding chain of events' (as in, those Books are in Canon and those aren't, these Evangelies are trustworthy and those aren't)DiDio's pic related quote is as rigorous as it should be imo, maybe with the exception of movies in this franchise's casethe blue checkmark on the bottom sounds like a postmodernist twat though
>>109971534The dude on the right used to be working for Disney and wrote three post-RotJ books (that all feature terrible prose, LGBT-and-not-much-beyond-it characters) and a handful of comics. His Vader annual contradicted established events from Rogue One and its prequel The Trigger (unless Jyn Erso's mother can duplicate herself), and this was his answer when it was brought to his attention.History, by the way, does not include retcons. We haven't discovered timetravel that would make it possible. History is always cause and effect, unless we're talking about recorded history, in which case the deliberate obfuscation of or misinformation about events is called propaganda and it's discovery isn't a retcon either, but rather the establishment of truth.
>>109958370I love how this single panel pissed off a lot of people.
>>109971409that Rian tweet can't be fucking real
>>109971715Take a closer look.
>>109971737and so it isn't
>>109971631>it's discovery isn't a retcon either, but rather the establishment of truthYou realize that's the exact excuse any retconning writer will spout; "oh, that thing about Superman being the only surviving Kryptonian? Yeah, totally a lie, my story including his cousin will reveal the shocking truth!"though yeah in SW it was always a big deal to expand on the movies and not, in any case, contradict them, so his editors took money for sleeping on the job apparently (in he even had any)>>109971673something something broken clock twice a day
>>109971715It's not, it's a parody account, but real Rian isn't far off the truth.
>>109971534>I'm with the dude on the right though, the whole idea of rigorously treated 'canon' is stupid most of the time, It's a dumb comment because he wasn't writing a first-person interpretation story and was contradicting a movie that wasn't even told first-person.
>>109971763The discovery of propaganda obfuscating real history is not a retcon. The propaganda wasn't a retcon either. Retcon means "retroactive continuity", it means it restructures the past to have always been so. The past is not actually restructured if propaganda is discovered and dealt with. The past still happened with what was then known as the truth. Retcons change the past and the present of a continuity.
>>109971819Fair enough, but a) it doesn't mean he's fully wrong in that point (history is full of contradictions, unexplainable decisions or just plain dumb luck), b) who knows what he means by 'retcon', c) he is right that it's fiction and doesn't have to conform to a scientific approach(though I'll admit after given the backstory that it's more of a graceful double-downing on a fuckup that this sophistry does not explain)>>109971764Jesus Christ he sounds like a /v/ poster, missing only something like OH NONONONONONONO and/or a wojak
>>109971944>history is full of contradictions, unexplainable decisions or just plain dumb luckBut still cause and effect. A retcon in fiction is the closest thing to an IRL temporal paradox or divine intervention. And we don't get those IRL. Worst we get is people in charge of writing history lying about events. But they don't change those events that way.
>>109971111A single, unified canon with all media on the same level was Disney's mission statement. Just like Lucas saying he didn't give a shit about his story and his movies -- considering the EU a separate world -- was something of his mission statement. Disney might move away from this someday, but if they do it will be selective and not wholesale.
>>109971534Canon matters insofar as continuity matters. Continuity only matters as much as any given story invokes it, of course.
>>109949906For that to work he's have to have lasted at least one other movie. Also he's another Emperor, why do we need another one in the same universe?
>>109971534>I'm with the dude on the right though, the whole idea of rigorously treated 'canon' is stupid most of the time,Your argument only works with something that had loose continuity to begin with (ie DC having decades of comics and having early periods with fast and loose continuity). It doesn't work for something where there are only 8 films plus 2 spin-off films. you can really easily go back and watch them before writing as opposed to tracking down 100 back issues and going through those.
>>109949790"All bets paid off."HAHAHAHA
>>109949906If Snoke is just some random asshole then it means that anything the good guys will do is meaningless because anyone can just show up with a massive fleet and a superweapon.
>>109954514Snoke is a literal nothing character. He's the kind of villain you get when Suits launch a creative project with a "we'll figure it out along the way" mentality.
>>109954536>but that doesn't explain where they got the money to build an even bigger death star.Snoke stole the Philosophers Legacy.
>>109949906That worked for palpatine because he existed on a blank slate, Snoke doesn't. We instantly buy into the Emperror because theres no reason for us not to, Snoke entered a rich universe with decades of interconnecting lore, and he has to meaningfully fit into that. Failing that, he stood out as huge, wierd question mark.It also doesn't help that he's basically just a watered down palpatine in every sense of the word, and if you're going to introduce a near copy of an older, more beloved character you need EVEN MORE sensible background information to justify that.
>>109973146Thing is, both Snoke and Palps have roughly the same screentime of around 7 minutes each, yet the way these seven minutes are used are far different, while their role is not that different - they're both 'final boss' characters that manipulate the main antagonist into evil, the only difference is that Snoke gets merked in the second movieIt doesn't help that "evil Galactic Empire" is a far less enigmatic name than "sinister First Order"; even if that isn't enough, the movie tells us what the Empire is in one of its first lines:>The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I've just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.Meanwhile the FO feels like something that got lost in the adaptation of a book into a movie - all we know is that they're an imperial remnant, they have a Supreme Leader and a military (with a superweapon) - it just does not stand on its own>>109973201True, I was generally talking about fiction and not just this one example (plus I still remember EU since it was present for a longer part of my life than the new canon, kind of a muscle memory of a ton of better or worse books, comics and games)
I can't stand the nuSW version of Imperial Remnant and New Republic>a splinter group manages to go to Unknown regions. Ok.>the NR, by disbanding 90% of it's navy/military, someway, somehow is still able to the dominant galactic regime, controlling basically 2/3 of the galaxy >even by controlling less then 1/3 of the galaxy, the FO is able to build a planet wide super laser capable of shooting things light years apart. A technology that not even the Empire in it's heyday had>they also had their own Executor type ship, even bigger, even if they had much less resources than the GE>yet the same time, they have troubles with a private militia funded by a disgraced senator >they perform a 9/11 by blowing up the not Coruscant yet the Republic doesn't go full Clone Wars mode of militarization, even if they had veterans of Clone Wars and the Rebellion around, that is something still existing in the living memory of the galactic populace>said splinter group manages to control the galaxy so the "Resistance" is now the new Rebel AllianceNext to that the whole Vong coming out of nowhere with the power of biowank and managing to overpower the NR is good writing.
>>109973238>"All these things are a mystery. Perhaps they always will be"
>>109973444This was from Alter Ego #158, Roy Thomas said he asked how George Lucas how he was going to be able to keep all of the stuff together. As you can see here, Lucas said "What happens in the movies is gospel. Everything else is gossip." And I think that actually highlights what Disney fucked up about their Star Wars stuff.The movies by JJ and Rian barely give you much information. The individual OT and even the PT (even as bad as it was) films still gave people enough info that they still felt self-contained and were in an expansive world, even when there were questions raised.With the new films they're arguing that you need to get all the supplementary material.
>>109973731>yet the Republic doesn't go full Clone Wars mode of militarizationthe republic doesn't have the military to militarize. the NR senate/political scape was governed by 1) people that wanted the government to control the military and keep the peace [the side that had the power], and 2) the people that wanted their own planets to have their own militaries for self defense [a minority].what was left of the NR navy you can see in orbit of hosnian prime when it gets obliterated. there is no NR, galaxy-wide military anymore. the resistance before Crait happens has a bigger military than over 75% of the planets in the galaxy combined at that time.
>>109974115Lucas didn't care about the EU beyond branding. I'm not saying he never ever considered it or developed off of it, but it was always apparent that it wasn't much more than a toybox he lended to creators.
>>109974262Yeah, it's why I didn't really care about the EU getting made noncanonical by Disney because I knew from watching the prequels he wasn't going to acknowledge everything from the books and comics and stuff.What I cared more about what that the stuff Disney replaced the EU with is fucking awful.
>>109973418Snoke is Snake?
>>109974139This lame writing. The pre Clone Wars republic also didn't had an army, even less a standing navy. Militarization is that, to turn your resources in building a military. If a splinter Empire group manages to blow up the capital and stars moving against you, you left spacd Moscow and start mass producing ships and conscript troops from behind the space Urals. And how a regime with a fleet in a single system manages to avoid full scale secession? How a fucking militia would be able to be stronger than a whole regime controlling thousands of worlds? The old republic managed to go by due planetary fleets and groups like the Trade Federation with private armies.
>>109974428you're seemingly ignoring the timeline going on here. for 30 years the galaxy doesn't care about, want to think about, or bother thinking about the concept of another war happening so soon. there is no militarization happening. then suddenly the FO shoots Hosnian Prime and swarms the galaxy within hours to the point where they lose their leader and severely cripple their main enemy (the Resistance). there is no time for anyone without a military or with a small one to even start up machines (that they don't have) to begin creating even a single fighter ship.we just have to wait now for Journey to TROS stuff to come out to barer-than-barebones fill in the gap between TFATLJ and TROS and see how the galaxy fights back, if they do at all.
>>109974524A splinter group wouldn't be able to perform a galactic wide invasion. It's a matter of economics and numbers. You seemingly suffers the same thing of the writers, no sense of scale. A galactic regime with near instant communications would be able to reorganize, or at least assess the situation really fast. Any survivor of the destruction of the capital system would simply make a jump to Coruscant or whatever and bring the news and the next day state of emergency would been declared by any remaining authority, war economy instituted and shipyards starting producing frigates or whatever. That or an implosion with systems going rogue like the Pentastar Alignment, Corporate Sector and whatever region local potentates would secure to themselves. And in any case 30 years is nothing in terms of politics for a galactic sized regime.The thing is, to portray the FO as a credible threat and a "not GE", they had to ignore what a galactic sized government is so they could have the "Resistance" to act as the new Rebellion.
>>109974788>simply make a jump to Coruscant or whatevercoruscant belongs to the Empire officially after the civil war ends and has no reason to accept NR refugees.
>>109974832>most important planet in the galaxy >not part of the New Republic >because reasons Nu SW is retarded beyond any salvation.
>>109974927NR couldn't justify invading Coruscant so they just let the Empire, in name, keep it once peace talks happened since the NR was already established on Chandrila.
>>109974997Pretty sure by the time of the Bloodline novel it's an NR world.
>>109970186>4-LOM is a bounty hunter that's not a robotWhat?
>>109975107The thing is we don’t know shit.Everything between Aftermath and Bloodlines is empty.Clearly the Imperial Remnants have planets they don’t 20 years later, nation states like New CIS exists but don’t in the future.There was a time when the NR expanded into diplomatically incorporating other worlds. When the galaxy was in a state of relative peace but with less security, except from local fleets and NR interventions.And nothing will be done about it until 9 is done and rotting.
>>109967536Except old ones were funny, and new ones are pure cringe
>>109956598>went out like a chumpNot in the pre-Disney expanded universe.
>>109956628>1.056 billion worldwide means Disney gets exactly 1.056 billion from Rogue OneThis is how we know you're a shill
Star Wars is lame and gay. That is all.
>>109975335They're all cringe.
>>109952919If only Phasma had done something like this in the movies.
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