>DC Comics is to publish a new series starting in Setember and spinning out of Event Leviathan comes Gotham City Monsters #1 by Steve Orlando and Amancay Nahuelpan. As Leviathan has destroyed S.H.A.D.E. alongside ARGUS, the DEO and the rest, Frankenstein is now free to target his mentor Melmoth, and puts together a team to aid him in that quest, going to Gotham to recruit Killer Croc, Lady Clayface, Orca and I, Vampire, Andrew Bennett.>Gotham City Monsters #1 is published September 11th, with covers by Philip Tan and Frank Cho.
Orcafags gonna be happy, I guess.
>>108129239Why do I get the feeling this is DC trying to mimic Immortal Hulk?
>>108129253DC is constantly trying to push dark/demonic/monster-esque books and team-ups. Sadly they have everything except the talent for it.
>>108129253Because DC doesn't have original ideas
>>108129253isn't more similar to howling commandos?
I love DC Frankenstein and will probably read this, but>Steve OrlandoI probably won't enjoy it.
>>108129239Neat. You can never have too much monster stuff.
>>108129343That's just a rip-off of the Creature Commandos.
>>108129343DC has been trying to stick the landing for an updated Creature Commandos for almost a decade now
>>108129355>>108129391He used to browse /co/ why do you think he put Orca in there?
>>108129284Still waiting for Klarion to show up somewhere.
Charaxes would have been nice.
I just know it's gonna be a "they are the real monsters" kind of book even though it hould be a "the real monsters were inside us all along" thing.
>>108129439He was in Sideways briefly with The Seven Soldiers of Victory
>>108129239how does Orlando keep getting work when all of his stuff is bad and sells worse
>another thing Simon Dark won't show up in
>>108129455>>108129481Don't you dare post that trash
>>108129439Klarion, Frank & the 7 Soldiers were just in Sideways
>>108129468Delivering scripts on time and being a team player with editorial probably goes a long way.
>>108129495It was fucking cool anon. It would be good if he could control the transformations.
>>108129455Killer Moth is gonna be busy for a while
>>108129511This. Same reason Jurgens is still around.
>>108129239>trying to cash on Immortal HulkLike a fucking clockwork.
>>108129548Jurgens is around because he wrote a comic that sold millions of copies once
>>108129239Is that KLarion?
>>108129239Look at those boobs on Lady Clayface!!!I think they’re bigger than PG’s!!!!!
>>108129239>Sounds like Creature Commandos>Includes Andrew BennettOrlando's raiding DeMatteis' old creations
>>108129580It's Andrew Bennet from I, Vampire
>>108129459>>108129500Well shit, thanks for telling me anons.
>>108129253Because Hulk smashed Batman in sales TWO months in a row and they think just copying Marvel and then making it Batman related will make it sell by the truck load.I'll now remind you of the last time DC tried to copy Hulk and how much that sucked.
>>108129253Because you are genuinely retarded>EwingfagBut I guess that goes without saying
>>108129239It's always fucking Gotham.
>>108129239>it is another let’s take villains and make them into anti-heroes episode
>>108129239Add ond more. So they're a pokemon team.
>>108129580No, it's I, Vampire.
>>108129608>retard anon is a DCfagColor me surprised! my sides
>>108129405Horrible event, good book.
>>108129239>we want the Hulk audienceThat's kind of sad.
>>108129239>Lady ClayfaceMy dick!
>>108129663After Hulk raped Batman they are desperate.
>>108129239lol just the other time one anon was saying how much it would take for DC to jump on the horror wagon of the Hulk, it really didn't take much, didn't it? The guy even predicted them being retarded enough to use Croc.This is fucking unreal.
>>108129523Fuck off with your terrible ideas
Is Lady Clayface new?
>>108129698DC has always been on the horror train buddy, if anything Hulk is playing catch up to DC.
>>108129606Damage was before Immortal Hulk though IIRC. His creation was coincidental, and just part of their new line. If anything though, Damage's shit book was stomped by Weapon H
>>108129733Yeah, catching up to all those horror books that sell like Ewing Hulk has....
>>108129723Not really, no. She from the Mud Pack days and currently reintroduced as Basil's ex-girlfriend that got the same treatment. Basil is still MIA I believe
>>108129239Just give Tomasi a new Frankenstein book, DC. It is obvious he has been crazing one for a long time.
>>108129698>horror wagon of HulkExcuse me, retard? Immortal Hulk is an homage to Saga of the Swamp Thing and you'd know that if you weren't nine years old and new to comics. DC revolutionized horror comics with Vertigo and even before that with House of Mystery, not to say that other horror comics didn't exist alongside it and before that. And that's once again not to say that Marvel doesn't have its own horror pedigree with Tomb of Dracula, Man Thing and Marvel Zombies and other titles. But damn are you uneducated if you think Immortal Hulk doesn't take inspiration from a larger history of horror comics.
>>108129733Yeah back when IH was introduced they were publishing iconic horror books such as>And ofc>Not to mention:>The denial is real. Dealing with you DC pigs is getting sadder and sadder every day.
>>108129719How about you actually fucking explain why it's bad?
>>108129773>it is actually all DC's merit REEEEEEEEClassic pig response. Acting like this isn't them copying marvel, what a sad dipshit you are. You should be ashamed of yourself and the brand you are so eager to defend.
>>108129773What a bunch of bullshit, marvel literally started with horror comics you dumb fuck.
>>108129775>implying Immortal Hulk isn't just trying to play catch-up to Swamp Thing
>>108129799Motherfucker, I read Marvel too, and I enjoy it. It's idiots like you that can't get enough companywars to feed your fragile egos that are the problem. So see you later Tommy, I'm gonna go catch up on IH and then read whatever the fuck I want afterwards.
>>108129239>As Leviathan has destroyed S.H.A.D.E. alongside ARGUSWhy is DC destroying all their organizations?
>>108129773Hulk obviously does take inspiration from horror comics throughout history, but it also buttfucked Batman in sales recently and WB execs have been shown to be a superstitious and cowardly lot. Both can be right. It can be DC publishing a horror book like they've done repeatedly throughout history AND a panicky response to Batman getting buttfucked.
>>108129634>>retard anonthat's you though
>>108129856>acting like he has actually read ST and the two things are the sameAs to be expected by a pig such as yourself, once again proving that talking to animals is totally useless.Keep blowing those two letter forever tard, there is a reason why they stand for Damage Control.
>>108129893>no ulol you really are mentally incapacitated, sorry i won't indulge further.
>>108129895>pig>>108129799>pig>>108129775>pigDid you get banned for using another word?
>>108129868nice cope out son of a whore
>>108129895What's your deal with the word pig, fattie? It's blatantly obvious you're spamming the thread and preventing non-homosexual anons from engaging in discussion about the comic itself. Any comics, for that matter.
>>108129239>Lady Clayface Such a weird choice, but i hope they bring back Clayface III and their kid
>>108129913>>no uThat's exactly what you did since I called you a retard first, retard. Also, in your case it's accurate because you really are a retard.
>>108129886>AND a panicky response to Batman getting buttfuckedI don't think DC thinks Frankenstein is the solution to King's Batman salesThis feels more like the latest attempt to connect their dark/magic/horror-verse to Batman to help its chances at selling
>>108129880Bendis thought there wwre too many so he kicked off Leviathan by blowing them up. The cunt. He killed Bones.
>>108129937>Clayface IIIHow many fucking Clayfaces have there been?
>>108129239>Please, PLEASE! Share some of the Immortal Hulk reader with us!
>>108129880Because there's too fucking many of them.
>>108129239is this going to be the worst thing that ever happened on sept 11th?(actually i might pick this up for based franky)
>>108129239Yeah... they aren't even hiding the fact they are doing it as a follow-up to Hulk.
>>108129975>Basil Karlo>Matt Hagen>Preston Payne>Sondra Fuller>Cassius Payne>Dr. Peter Malley>Todd Russell>Johnny WilliamsEight according to Wikipedia.
>>108129775They were most definitely pushing books like>I,VampireOr >ConstantineOr >Swamp thingOr>RagmanAnd ofc>JLD
>>108130033I, Vampire wasn't being published when Immortal Hulk was out. It got shitcanned way back during the New 52 days.
>>108129239I don’t mind the concept. Sure it is trying to ride off the success of Hulk but it looks like a fun mashup.The creative team though has me worried.
>>108130021Based Basil is the best IMO.
Fuck this shit, can't we all just get along? Why niggas gotta be picking fights over comic books all the time? I and alot of other anons in this thread like comics because they're neat and they inject a little color into our lives and inspire us to create and maybe even strive for better ideals, better worlds. Let's just fucking discuss for once.>>108129923>>108129936The hog beast has been slain.
>>108130054Not him, but I think they just accidentally proved that DC does keep putting out horror books, but they always flop.There was also a terrible Etrigan miniseries last year too
>>108129239Damn DC, have some self-respect for once. You still haven't finished ripping off Marvel Zombies!
>>108130054DC has published JLD, Deadman, Ragman, Hellblazer, Swamp Thing, the Demon, Damage, Brimstone, Halloween specials and Young Monsters in Love all in the last 2 years so yeah they've been publishing monster and horror comics before and during IH.
>>108130094They flop because they're lesser known names.
>>108129239>”Hulk is raping Batman to death. What can we do to ride off his success? Do we have a big green monster that we can make into a horror comic?!”>”Swamp-Thing would be prefect for that sure.” >”Swamp-Thing is already on a team. We need someone else.”>”We have a Frankenstein Monster, sir.”>”Not bad but not enough green. Add that Killer Croc guy. He was in a movie once.”>”Ok...”>”And add some other monster characters. I don’t care which just do it as soon as possible.”
>>108130075I don't know mang. I just wanted a comfy thread about Frankenstein getting ORCA'D.
>>108129239>Cool a monster book from DC! NICE!>GOTHAM CITYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCKING STOP PLS ENOUGH. STOP WITH THE BATWANK STOP STOP STOP
>>108129247Theyre going to fuck up her looks and give her a double-chin like in the recent comics
>>108129239Oh nice they are using Lady Clayface>realizing it is clearly a stand in for the Red Harpywew ladsBut really, this book is getting written by fucking Orlando, it being a copy will only take the attention away from his bad writing.
>>108130276>>realizing it is clearly a stand in for the Red Harpywhen was Red Harpy revealed?
>>1081299758 people have been called clayface>Basil Karlo, the original actor turned killer and later turned into a clay monster during the mud pack storyline>Matt Hagen, petty crook that became a clay monster while scuba diving, died during crisis on infinite earths.>Preston Payne, the best clay face, born with a deformity that made him be mocked by all his peers, got Matt to give him a sample of his clay and tried using it to fix himself, it didn't work, he has to use a suit and transfer the effects of his melty aids onto others or else he'll die, became so lonely and sad that at one point he started living in a shopping mall and dating a manequin.>Sondra Fuller: Genetically altered Kobra soldier, eventually abandoned them and became a part of the mud pack where she would meet Preston, who she later had a child with>Cassius Payne: Son of Sondra and Preston, they barely did anything with him despite being a pretty interesting concept for a character.>Dr. Peter Malley: Doctor who was studying a sample from Cassius, it bonded with him, turning him into a savage version of payne>Todd Russell and Johnny Williams: Todd was a minor Catwoman villain that got killed by angle man, Johnny was the guy that pretended to be jason during hush.Clayface has a weird history
>>108130248Remember when their was other locations besides Gotham?
>>108130296either two or three months agoenough to settle for someone to be her placeholder
>Look at OP>wow this is just creature commandos in gotham>look at the thread>THIS IS OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO CASH IN ON IMMORTAL HULK SINCE BOTH ARE COMIC BOOKS WITH HORROR ELEMENTSCan't we just stop with the company wars for 2 fucking seconds? Immortal hulk is great and this is clearly something different, though it's probably going to suck since orlando is writting it.
>>108130333and who the main one? (the one working with batman?)
>>108129239>Steve OrlandoUgh>Lady ClayfaceNeat and deep cut. This book will still suck because Orlando's a bad writer but glad to see her.
>>108130421That'd be Basil, he's MIA at the moment.
Orcafags are about to be either ecstatic or absolutely fucking livid depending on how this goes.God help us if they have her fuck croc like in Injustice.
>>108129723If it's still Soondra Fuller then no. She was an Outsiders villain who showed up during the Mud Pack story in the late '80s, fell in love with Preston Payne and the two basically retired to just live together in peace and raise their kid.
>>108129783Because Killer Moth is the original anti-batman, and that's what writers should focus on rather than poking fun at his costume. Dime a dozen monster is stupid
>>108129581Well, she is a shapeshifter.
>>108130276At least she has big boobs so that’s a plus.
>>108129247Well, theyll never give her the proportions we would like but hopefully she will be more than a King Shark repaint.>>108129253I too feel that. Anything with DC's frankenstain is going to be horrorific. Although, I suppose Immoral Hulk was ripping off Agents of SHADE first.
>>108129606The idea of a DC Hulk isn't bad, but there was no pathos for the character at all. He'd just shout Damage all the time. A military owned DC Hulk with a strong supporting cast could have been Ostrander Suicide Squad tier gold (especially if the man was a follow orders regardless of morality guy, and the monster had a conscience). It was a missed opportunity.
>>108130718i actually like rebirth orcabuff sleek and monstrous while still having a vaguely feminine shape
>>108130814Col.Jonas was legitimately more interesting of a character than Damage.
>All these anons being super argumentative >barely anybody talking about Croc at allHe's my favorite DC character and I'm really happy to see him be in a team book that isn't the awful suicide squad book.Hope Orlando does him justice. Has he written him before?
>>108129239>this could be cool...i like these monster characters>IMMORTAL HULK!!! BATMAN!!!! REEEEEEyeesh guys.
>>108130718yeah I hope its THICC orcasometimes shes drawn to look like a male.
>>108131601injustice was thicc orca tho and she looked really really really bad there
>>108129239Lady Clayface got some tig ol bitties! Then again she can make them as big as she wants.
>>108129253Are you fucking retarded? It looks like Justice League Dark mixed with Frankenstein: Agent of Shade with a title that’s a nod to Gotham City Sirens. Gas yourself, mongoloid.
>>108131675didn't read the comic so i had to look this up. She just looks fat with an awful face.jeez can't they just give us a Sexy THICC Killer whale???? is that too much to ask
>>108131865streamlined stronk orca's just a better look for everything other than porn
>>108129239At least this in continuity.Doomsday Clock is already being retconned as Non-Canon by DC.https://www.newsarama.com/45553-scott-snyder-to-reintroduce-justice-society-of-america-has-big-plans-for-them.html
>>108129500Never even heard of that series and just read the last few issues. Not bad. Not bad at all.
>>108129783Because turning Batman villains into hulking monsters is always a retarded idea, it's the same bullshit they tried to pull with Scarecrow.
>>108133170WhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatBut one-face is a masterpiece.
>>108129253Because you’re a fucking retard
>>108132137No one cares you fucking retard, stick to your other thread
>Oh hey I wonder what /co/ thinks of thi->HUURRRRR THEY’RE RIPPING OFF IMMORTAL HULKDid this place suddenly go full retard when I wasn’t looking? What’s with the absolute dumpster fire quality of posts and why is it everywhere now? I remember when /co/ made fun of companywars.
>>108131724>>108133225Ouch, struck a nerve did I? This wouldn't have anything to do with Immortal Hulk outselling Batman would it?
>>108129239>first they rip-off Marble Zombies>now thisDidio was a mistake.
>>108129606>they think just copying Marvel and then making it Batman related will make it sell by the truck loadI mean: that totally worked in the movies!Oh ...
>>108129239>DC Launches ‘Gotham City Monsters’>Immediately after cancelling Swamp Thing tv seriesWhat did they mean by this?
>>108133304I don’t play sports teams with corporations like you do, bugman. And I don’t even like Batman. Also you replied to two different people.
>>108129239>more Croc as a main character in a comic besides SSFuck you DC, i'm a little hyped
>all the company war posts up threadMan, you niggers suck
>>108134862One guy makes a simple and understandable comparison and suddenly DCfaggots lose their shit over it
>>108129253Yup, came out of the left field, didn't it?
>>108129239What the fuck is this? Nobody asked for this, people have been asking more for a new Gotham City Sirens book than this. Fucking shit.
>>108129439there was that fucking trash nocenti book right?? 6 issues?
what, knowing Frankenstein this will ape Hellboy more than Hulk. What's with the idiots in the thread? Like the last time Frankenstein was even a bit horror was for the MiniSeries he got during Seven Soldiers and he wasn't the scary part in it.
>>108133197I thought people forgot about this. I wish they had.
>>108129239Cho Orca cover? Sold
>>108135064>One guy makes a simple and understandable comparisonIt's one made of blind willful ignorance. There's nothing about the premise itself to actually draw a comparison to Immortal hulk.
>>108129239>As Leviathan has destroyed S.H.A.D.E. alongside ARGUS, the DEO and the restBendis only know destruction, doesn't he?
>>108129253Nobody wants to copy that garbage
>>108137978And yet here we are.
>>108137978I mean, if you're not above copying Marvel Zombies and Dark Reign...
>>108129239Y'all worried that this will be an IH copy while missing the most important piece of the puzzle:This is a comic written by Orlando, it is going to be fucking shit from start to finish.
>>108138027>>108138042Oh yeah, anything with monsters is a copy of Hulk.>Creature Commandos>Demon Knights>Agents of S.H.A.D.E.
>>108129405i completely forgot that bug thing existed
>>108138073>hurr durr they have done this things in the past but they were shit and failed so it is OK if they do it now!That's not why people are saying they are jumping on the Hulk wagon, retard.But that was to be expected, pigs aren't so smart after all. They wouldn't eat other people's vomit like they are doing with the cheap copies of Dark Reign, Marvel Zombies and such otherwise.
>>108138170Just put a trip on already so we can all filter you.
>>108129239Cancelled in 6-12 issues.
>>108138190They copied that from Ewing too!>>108138170To be fair, I don't expect anyone to eat up the cheap copy of Dark Reign.
>>108129284Justice League Dark. Shadowpact. Sentinels of Magic. What else?
>>108129239>Killer Croc, Lady Clayface, Orca and I, Vampire, Andrew Bennett.What a shit team.
>>108129886>but it also buttfucked Batman in sales recentlyIt's sold better on issue, which was due to a variant cover, iirc. I.e. it sold better due to a sales gimmick.
>>108138555it also did the following month>>108138548honestly I expected it to be a Solomon Grundy book
>>108129500Wait how the fuck we supposed to resolve Shilo Norman with Scott Free? Different avatars of the true Mr. Miracle since all New Gods is megaideas now?
Why does the Didiot need to make everything about Gotham?
>>108137680>A book focused on monster protagonist(s)/outcastsI mean it’s not big a leap. No one said a completely ripoff
>>108139935Shilo is Scott's protege.
>>108138959You would THINK Solomon fucking Grundy would be in this book. Pretty weird he isn't, unless he's the bad guy.
>>108135455your face is trash
>>108138234The entirety of Vertigo?
>>108140076The guy who made the comparison did.
>>108141469Mimic =/= Complete rip-off, you tard
>>108141555That's kinda pedantic, multiple post are implying they're trying to rip off immortal hulk.>>108129298>DC doesn't have any original ideas>>108129606>copying marvel>>108129568>trying to cash in on the immortal hulk>>108129663>we want the hulk audience>>108129759>catching up to all those horror books that sell like Ewing Hulk has....>>108129976>please share the hulk audience with us!!>>108130016>they aren't even hiding the fact they are doing it as a follow-up to Hulk.>>108130103>Damn DC, have some self-respect for once. You still haven't finished ripping off Marvel Zombies!>>108138042>f you're not above copying Marvel Zombies and Dark Reign...>>108138170>they are jumping on the Hulk wagon
>>108130272That's just Injustice, which is over anyway.
>>108141772>people are disagree with me better call them out one by one!This is so fucking dumb, you are dumb. Imagine if someone did that in reverse.Also start to wonder why so many people are seeing it as a catch up to Marvel.
>>108129414Thank you for remembering this, because you're dead on.
>>108129239based Frankino is back on the menu, boys
>>108141940I can’t get into this character because every time he shows up he’s bitching about his monster “wife” not loving him
>Gotham City Monsters #1 >by Steve Orlando
>>108141979Orlando is DC's Rosenberg.
>>108141824It's not that they disagree with me, it's that they're just company war shitposters. Like how you're a company war shitposter.
>>108129239Let’s hope that they don’t fuck her up again like they did in Injustice.>>108129247See above.
>>108142091Are you worried they're gonna nonsensically pair her up with Killer Croc again?
>>108142068Not him, and I don’t deny that autism is in this thread, but don’t write off everyone who sees a minor parallel here. If something outsells Batman, even briefly, it tends to raise an eyebrow
>>108142209> If something outsells Batman, even briefly, it tends to raise an eyebrowC'mon buddy, you have to know by now that Batman wasn't always a top 10 seller. Take the early 2000s, Batman was sloughing. DC has always like to push horror titles, especially since the 2011 reboot.
>>108142300>Early 2000sThat was nearly 20 years ago and not really the publisher standard now. Didio wants Batman and Superman in the top 10, especially since capeshit is Big now. I’m not denying DC loves weird I’m merely making an observation about this rather unexpected team book.
>>108142337>I’m merely making an observation about this rather unexpected team book.You're ignoring how DC has been pushing horror heavy ever since the 2011 reboot, which is just my observation.
>>108142388Sometimes, most times I really fucking despise Bat-wank.
>>108142382Okay that’s fair. Batman Who Laughs is in that vein.
>>108129528Barbara finally gets her wish
>>108142419Not just that but JLD and Frankenstein, Agent of S.H.A.D.E. and Andreyko's Batwoman had her team up with Jason blood and Ragman. DC has been trying to get this horror based team for a while and this is just the current iteration.
>>108142419>Batman Who LaughsBatman who LMAOs is just the logically outcome of trying to maximize Batman and the Joker beyond the point you should stop. Technically we should have seen him coming.
>>108142470I think DC should just cut down on team books altogether. I like character driven stories, and if they really wanted a horror showstopper they should have focused more on Swamp Thing, who hasn’t been of note since Snyder
>>108142541Well that's just the market, team books sell better because lesser known characters cannot sustain titles anymore. You want character driven stories? Pick up the one shot holiday specials.
>>108142408What's Batwank? This isn't about how Batman is the most important character ever and he can one-punch anyone. Something that always happens with Superman but you faggots eat it up. This is DC using Batman and Gotham city as a veicle so the book has more of a chance of being a success with the casual audience.I'm fucking tired of people crying about Batwank whenever Gotham or Batman is used in anything, even when Batman is just there to be shat on. Goddamn, you guys are fucking children. But then Superman goes, bitch-slap the Anti-Monitor, buttfuck Wonder Woman in her pussy, and tells everyone he's the king of the planet and you niggas cheer that as brilliant writing. Yeah, i'm fucking mad.
>>108142470I fucking hate that DC thought it was a good idea to have Batwoman steal all of Batman occult friends and stories. She even stole his past love interest.
>>108143121>She even stole his past love interest.I wouldn't really call what Nocturna did the actions of a "love interest."
>>108143212It's still proves that Batwoman was stealing everything from Batman. They wanted to make her the occult "Batman". Something that was entirely Batman.
>>108143307Stop posting this terrible design in every Orca related thread
>>108143108This reminds me that there are a bunch of people already prehevently crying about Batwank because they fear Batman might do something useful in Doomsday Clock like helping Lois and Superman.
>>108143275>Something that was entirely Batman.The problem is Batman is a lot of things, Batman is a hoarder. Take Lady Shiva for example, She's not supposed to be Batman villain but somehow she became one. The truth is that Batman doesn't deserve exclusive rights to the occult stuff in Gotham, he's part of a shared universe.>emphasis on share.
>>108143332No, they're Batman's friends. Kate is acting like the cool slutty cousin who's making all of Batman's friends ignore him because she's oh so awesome.
>>108143332>>108143352Trying to make Kate “Supernatural Batman” was a dumb idea to begin with. In fact Kate was just a bad idea
>>108129455Charaxes was dumb, just like Scare-beast was dumb - but I like the idea that when some people are exposed to fear-gas, they sorta "see" them again
>>108143352Ragman and Jason Blood isn't Batman's friends, they're characters that exist in Gotham.
>if DC does anything dark, it's a ripoff of HulkWhy do /v/irgins still pretend to read comics?
>>108143532>better blame it on /v/ nowWhy DCfags always need a scapegoat?
>>108140314huh? are you a.... nocenti fan? bruh i'm sorry. trevor mccarthy was the redeeming feature of a book that otherwise absolutely sucked
Oh boy, another Batman-adjacent title, thanks DC for thinking outside the box....
>>108143318Sorry, I’ll stop.
>>108144186Keep at it anon. I'm not bothered.
>>108143805Well maybe if you guys talked up any other character besides Batman would listen.