I am trying to get into some comics and am looking for "patrician-tier/TASTE-tier" comics to dig into? I really enjoyed the classics and the anime that pop in those 3x3 threads; same with literaure. But recently I realized how gorgeous some comics can be. I started reading a few online but don't want to rob myself of the experience of reading them on nice physical copies.Is there a chart/list out there of really good comics, bordering on snobbish taste as those end up usually being fairly good. A few that I am considering getting are Ody-C, Marvels (with Alex Ross illustrating), Sandman, God is Dead, Tokyo Ghost and a few others. Any tips for comics that are gorgeous aesthetics while also having a good story? But not overly long aka can easily fit on my bookshelf
>>107600465Sometimes there are rabbit holes that aren't worth getting into. Comics are like that. Imagine following a rabbit made out of shit and crawling into his shit-smeared labyrinth den, and getting lost in the foul darkness. Once you reemerge on the anus-end of the den you will be empty handed, turd like, and you will realize that the rabbit never existed at all. It was all hype, smoke, mirrors and latent homosexuality. You were the rabbit all along and you've been had. This is the point in which you've wasted a shitload of money and time on this inanity and you'll be in company of many other butt bunnies who've been had before you. They're a protective and jaded lot, and they scat masturbate each other over capeshit, putting on airs about how awesome and gangsta it all is. But it's not gangsta, it's not gangsta at all. This obsolete and sterile medium has nothing to offer to anyone. You run OP, you run and don't look back.
>>107600465>alex ross get kingdom come anyway heres my recs>grant morrison JLA >dark knight returns >batman: year one >watchmen >tom king mister miracle if you enjoyed watchmen >grant morrison doom patrol
>>107600465Well, I would argue that getting comics with the idea of "What's the very best?" is not ideal if you havent read any at all, that being said I feel that those you mentioned are well worth at the very least chekcing them out and then considering buying. I would also recomend checking out George Perez run on Wonder Woman seen that you so are avid of the Classical Greeks, oh and >>107600688 are great, I havent read Mr. Miracle, too, but again you may not "get" why are they so great at first read.
>>107600465If you like Alex Ross art look into Absolute World's Greatest Heroes by Paul Dini and Alex Ross. Can still probably find it for $50 or less than $75.Another universally loved artist/comiccreator is James Stokoe. Look up Orc Stain and see if you'd want some like that.If you like Godzilla or Alien Stokoe has done comics miniseries for both of those that have been great.
>>107600626Is this pasta?
>>107600911Also I'll shill till the day I die Witch Doctor.A supernatural comic about a doctor fighting demons and monsters, but not in a "the hidden world of magic that cannot he explained in mundane world's logics" kinda bullshit, but like an actual doctor going after them like they're Cthulhu sized viruses and there is a scientific/consistent cure for them (even if that cure is a magical broadsword).Only 2 volumes but I still hold out hope for more content.
>>107600465>I am trying to get into some comicsStop. Just turn around and go do something else with your life. Comics are not worth it.
>>107600988It probably is, considering it feels easily [find/replace] you could have for comics and it would work for other things.Especially since it doesn't go into actual specifics wrong with the medium, just says it is bad.
>>107600465>Top 10>The Metabarons>The Borgias>Fury: My War Gone By>All-Star Superman>Fell>some of the Criminal volumes
OP, make sure you're interested in "patrician-tier/TASTE-tier" comics for good reasons, not just because you want to show off shelf porn or feel like you're better than those who read serialized superhero antics. Both have a valid place in this world.That said, I strongly recommend Moonshadow by DeMatteis. It's a fully painted comic book billed as a fairytale for adults, and it's one of the few comics I read yearly.My other recommendation is Enigma by Peter Milligan. Short series that plays with your expectations of the genre. Cerebus is another strong recommendation for something worth owning, because as a comic, it plays with the medium in ways that can't be seen digitally.You should really read some of the more standard chart recommendations first though. A lot of the time, your enjoyment of something is enhanced by knowing just how it stands out from the crowd.>>107600988More than likely, it's just a lul-randum tripfag trying to force one.
>>107601089>ASS only if op has read and is familiar with superman
>>107600465anyone who recommends mostly cape comics is not in the borderline snobbish tier. Especially this retard >>107600688
>>107601170Superhero comics have dominated the American industry for the past eight decades and you're going to discredit them with a chart you saved online, made by somebody else back in 2009, full of many titles you don't even recognize?
>>107600465>"patrician-tier/TASTE-tier"back to >>>/mu/
Love and Rockets (Gilbert Hernandez)Shadowland Beauty Paying for ItThe New Adventures of HitlerBreakdowns (Spiegelman)The Last Temptation CagesWhy I Hate SaturnA Jew in Communist PragueLittle Tulip FrankIcehaven The Cowboy Wally ShowRoad to Perdition Bottomless Belly Button King of the Flies A Drifting LifeThe Boondocks Mr. Punch
>>107601202I recognize most of the titles, and it does include a fair number of cape comics. But to ONLY recommend cape comics, and to recommend shit like Kingdom Come and Mister Miracle in a thread asking for "patrician-tier" recommendations betrays how pleb you are.
I don’t wish to offend anyone, butMaster of Kung fuKamandi NexusSavage Sword of Conan
>>107601170ah yes the classic, fax from sarejevo, kino as fck my fellow patrician
>>107600465>Jonah Hex>JM Dematteis Spider-Man>The 'Nam>The Question>Sandman Mystery Theater>Hellblazer>John Bryne She-Hulk>Peter David Hulk>Judge Dredd>Hellboy>Lobster Johnson>Lemire Moon Knight>Seven Soldiers
>>107601238Ask yourself whether you're listing your favorite obscure comics, or good comics to recommend to a beginner who has no idea what they're interested in?>>107601248I'd contend that using "pleb" as an insult betrays far more.
>>107600465sounds to me like you want stuff that really pushes the medium so here are my recs>Kabuki - by David Mackone of the best examples of how comics can be working at multiple levels to tell stories, there are some pages that are simultaniously telling 3 stories.>Ring of the NIblungs - by P Craig Russellbased on the Ring saga of old norse myth, or in this case the Wagner opera version. This is his masterpiece and it's a wonder that he is able to converse a musical piece to a silent medium>Promethea ; Alan Moore, JH Williams IIIbasically his dissertation on magic, JH Williams III brings a whole new idea to how you can construct page layout and use them to tell the story. Pic related>From Hell - Alan Moorea story about Jack the Ripper, one of his most celebrated comics>Borgias - Jodorworsky and Manarastraight up salacious, exploring this family and really going over the top on their corruption and incest tales.>Transmetropolitan - EllisEllis is the comic writer who is the most into futurism and this documents a future that is kinda looking familiar now. It's a reporter exposing corrupt politicians, and everyone is a terrible person
>>107601404that's because you're a pleb
>>107601431>no uI recant.
>>107601138>>ASS >only if op has read and is familiar with supermanI disagreeI read it as a first introduction to the character and it was perfect to describe the character, part of its story and motivations. I wanted to know more about him after that.
>>107600465Ody-C is absolute fucking garbage, the artist is great but look for something else by him.
>>107600465The Sandman absolute editions will fit right in with those philistine Franklin Library bindings on your shelf, so get those. Cités Obscures is a comic series inspired by Borges and Calvino and written by a guy who got his diploma right out of the grubby hands of Barthes. From Hell will massage your sense of superiority over plebeians and Bacchus is a more obscure work by the same artist which is about pretentious things like wine and extensive vacations in Greece.I actually like all these comics unironically but your commemorative plates-tier bookshelf triggered my shit right up
>>107601992the Sandman omnibuses would actually fit better
>>107601003Not OP but thank you for this recommendation
>>107601138You'll get more from it if you're familiar with Supes, sure. But as a starting point? It's like distilled Superman - there are very few books that present a hero as succinctly as ASS.
>>107600465Yikes, get a life!
Paul Auster's City of Glass adapted by Karasik and MazzuchelliThe Coffin by Hester and HuddlestonBarrier by Vaughan and MartinHicksville by HorrocksThe Bus 1 & 2 by KirchnerThe Rocketeer by StevensXenozoic Tales by SchultzRing of the Nibelung adapted by P. Craig RussellBlack Hole by BurnsStray Bullets by LaphamMarket Day by SturmAudubon by Grolleau & RoyerCopra by FiffeTricked by RobinsonThe Avengers by Roger Stern
>>107602230Lol a couple of my recs are in there
>>107600626people said the same with manga and anime, but I found a lot of worthwhile adventures and am glad I partook even after feeling like I had outgrown that sort of thing>>107600688>>107600797These are extremely helpful; thank you so much. The suggestion on the George Perez Wonder Woman is also exactly the sort of thing I was looking for, thank you so much
>>107600911>>107601003Thanks, I remember reading that years ago but would definitely like to revisit it and own a nice copy to flip though. ALso I had seen Witch Doctor on some obscure forum when looking for doctor type of content. I actually just finished med school last year so thing related to medicine, even tangentially are especially fun for me>>107601089I actually put All-Star Superman on a to-check-out-list when doing some preliminary research. So I think I'll definitely be picking it up now. Will look into the others as well.>>107601115I like the snobbish-tier nonsense to start off with as there seems to usually be legitimate reasons for people elevating them before they became obnoxiously snobbish to display. From there I can usually figure out if it sounds like something I'd enjoy based on the premise. But it worked amazingly well for anime and legitimate literature and thoroughly enjoyed them to the point I find a noticeable drop in quality most of the time when deviating from a commonly accepted canon. I figured comics would be similar.>>107601170Thanks, this is precisely the sort of list I was looking for. A lot of titles on there I have seen pop up elsewhere in searching for good titles to acquire. Thanks
>>107601238Thanks for a concrete list as well; I'm honestly surprised by how nice /co/ is compared to virtually any other board when people straight up ask for recs. Thanks a bunch.>>107601304>>107601401Tanks a ton guys>>107601429Yeah definitely the sort of thing I am looking for. Have heard both Kabuki and Transmetropolitan highly recommended so I will be extra sure to check them both out. This is an awesome list >>107601887damnit; that's kind of what I'm afraid of. A lot of the comics with gorgeous art seem to have story or narrative pretty awful, hence this thread to get some more solid direction. Thanks for the heads up though>>107601992I started reading most things on an ereader but really dig reading them on those nice gaudy pages and the sense of satisfaction seeing them on the shelf after I finish reading them. Like an outward reminder of the works I've consumed and held in high regard which trigger nice memories.That being said, thanks for the recs I unironically am interested in these a lot. Les Cités obscures looks especially amazing visually
>>107602230recs are recs, checking those out all the same >>107602431Thanks a ton for the recs; appreciate them
>>107600465>patrician tierjust say patrician>TASTE-tierjust say TASTEyou don't have to follow every word with tier. That's really stupid-tier, and cringe-tier. A really dumb way of talking-tierAlmost as stupid as trying to read things that are "patrician" so you can say you know comics instead of looking for things you'll actually enjoy
>>107600465You've got to at least try Sandman. I think it is the go-to "patrictian" comic.
>>107601248>don't recommend things you enjoy or I will call you a plebthis is what philistines actually believe
>>107603909philistines actually believe Kingdom Come is a worthwhile comic
>>107600465This is a terrible shelf thread. No one gives a flying fuck about how sophisticated you want your shelf to look, you pretentious retard
>>107603909Personal enjoyment has nothing to do with being patrician.
>>107603921The art is great
>>107603921>they're hostile to the arts for enjoyingthis piece of art
>>107603938Neither does pretending to enjoy things you don;t like to make other people on an anonymous imageboard think you're "smart" or "cultured"
>>107603994Which comics in this thread are people only pretending to enjoy?
>>107603954Alex Ross is a wonderful painter, but he's completely awful for superhero action comics. Far too static.
>>107603955devaluing the meaning of art by holding up a bad work as one of the best in the medium is hostile to the arts
>>107604006>>107601170 later says >>107601248>I recognize most of the titleshe recommended things he doesn't recognize (not to mention how many of them he probably hasn't read), while condemning the other guy for recommending things he probabky has read and enjoyed
>>107604036>devaluing the meaning of art And I'm sure you can explain the definition of Art in some way where those works are magically "objectively bad"
>>107604042>condemning the other guy for recommending things he probabky has read and enjoyedBecause they don't belong in a patrician thread.
>>107603924This is a rec thread, not a shelf thread, silly
>>107604091What makes something "patrician" anon?
>>107600988>>107603352Don't reply to tripfags
>>107604042yes, how dare I provide an extensive list filled with comics I've read and enjoyed just because I haven't read every single one. I should've recommended some mainstream capeshit, that would surely fit into a patrician recommendation thread.
>>107604138I like the look of the shelf itself, and being sort of empty but with a few things makes it look better, something pleasantly modest about the whole thing.
Is Kabuki worth getting into? If so, what's the version to get? The library hardcovers?>>107604029I really didn't like his cover for the OG Doctor Strange omni and was sad that the far superior Ditko one was the variant.
Here are some books I consider pretentious that I think fit what you're looking for. I really like some of these so I don't mean it as an insult.Anything by Chris WareDaytripperHellboy (reading or having Hellboy but no other capeshit is a classic hipster move)BerlinDuncan the Wonder Dog (pic related)Nausicaä
>>107604174>both the definitions here are making fun of the conceptfunny, but not really helping your point.
>>107604220The right page of that spread. These aren't the only empty speech bubbles in the book either.
>>107604165>yes, how dare I provide an extensive list filled with comics I've read and enjoyed just because I haven't read every single onethen recommend the ones you have enjoyed instead of posting massive list. hell if you were feeling generous you could have actually explained what was good about a few to help someone know what they might be in for
>>107604224What's wrong with having a sense of humor about it? You're so dour.Reading patrician comics doesn't make you a better person that someone who doesn't. It just means that you have different tastes than people who read pleb comics, casual comics and entry-level comics. And to remind yourself that you're not a better person, you should never forget to take the time to have a laugh at your own expense every now and then.
>>107604268You haven't explained what makes something a pleb or patrician comic. I wasn't complaining about UD being funny, but it doesn't create the distinction you're implying exist. It makes fun of people who thinks there is one.
>>107600465Dude just get what you're interested in. If you look at something and you know you're going to read it as soon as you get it home then it's a good purchase. The collection grows with each one and in the end you'll have one that reflects your taste which is better than having one perceived as good taste. Also Love & Rockets, obviously.
>>107604272it's specifically because of what I put in parentheses because I've seen it often
>>107604301There is no concrete definition to divide comics into those categories. Here is some light reading for you:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_itFor the purposes of only this thread though, let's try this: Big Two superhero comics by A-list creators or starring A-list characters are not patrician.Maybe you can make an exception when the art is actively offensive to casuals, like Sienkiewicz.
>>107604220thanks for the recs; I've seen Daytripper come up several times and the premise looks interestingthe others look awesome as well.>>107604306I am generally interested in comics for the art since I can generally find better stories in just normal books; but at the same time I don't want to read a comic with great art but can't keep me engaged due to shite story. I am getting a feel for what is well-regarded/canon good stuff and from there picking titles that have appealing art/premises to me and going from there. I definitely have no intention to read or buy a comic to appear patrician as comics in general are anything but in the eyes of most people who come by my flat. But same goes with anime and manga and video games, but I've found plenty in each of those mediums well worth the time investment which were incredibly rewarding experiences
what are some good xmen comics and comics concerning galactus and the silver surfer for noobs to those characters?
>>107600626When will you shut up you fucking weirdo
>>107604722Galactus and Silver Surfer:Lee and Kirby's original Fantastic FourThe Ultimates by Al EwingSilver Surfer: RequiemSilver Surfer: ParableI've honestly never been too into X-Men, but I liked New X-Men by Grant Morrison.
>>107604412>Big Two superhero comics by A-list creators or starring A-list characters are not patricianThat's a retarded definition that excludes some of the greatest works of all time, especially considering OP said he's considering all star superman after it was mentioned in the thread
>>107604890All-Star Superman is extremely entry-level and casual, not patrician. Please understand, I'm not saying it's a bad comic and I'm not saying you're bad for liking it. But yikes, my friend, get some perspective.
>>107604928stop being a faggot
>>107604890All-Star Superman falls under "art is actively offensive to casuals." As does Frank Miller before you bring up TDKR.
>>107604957This is what casuals actually believe when they try to insist that they aren't casuals.
>>107604928You simply can't come up with a single non arbitrary definition of your retarded buzzword and now you have to struggle so hard to defend your ineptitude that you have to perform the herculean leap of logic that explains how All Star Superman is not patrician.>>107604957>>107604928>>107604976you two can't even agree on what "offensive to casuals" even means. Almost like it's complete nonsense to justify elitism.
>>107604998anything he likes is patrician and anything he doesnt is plebian
>>107604998>your retarded buzzword"My" retarded buzzword? What makes you think it's mine? OP started this thread asking for patrician comics, and you're the one barging in here with non-patrician comics. You're in the wrong thread because you did a piss-poor job of reading the OP.But please, go on and tell me all about what makes ASS a patrician comic, in your opinion. Something for those with "snobbish" taste.
>>107605056That's literally what you and the other poster are doing. You like All-Star Superman, so you insist that it's patrician, and it hurts your feelings when you find out that it isn't.As for my own behavior... where did I say that I dislike All-Star Superman?
>>107605064>a patrician comicIt's simply some of the best storytelling in comics, a true representative of what the medium has to offer, something that those with even the highest of standards can enjoy
>>107605109I like All-Star Superman, but I'd never call it patrician.
>>107605114What makes you an expert on the medium? So far, your knowledge is only about two publishers and one genre in one country's industry.
>>107605114All that is just a wordier way of saying "it's good."
>>107605109ass has been cited as one of the best superman books by critics and all that shit. its universally acclaimed as being good. its popular for a reason you dolt.
itt: sheer, unchained infinite autism
>>107605167Oh good, I guess Star Wars is patrician too now. All you need is to be popular and acclaimed by the "critics".
>>107605196glad we agree
>>107600465You should always buy what pleases and entertains you, or if you want to be challenged, that as well. There's no point in spending money to please others or to meet their 'standards.'You can certainly use such lists to inform yourself, but you can easily find all this stuff on line on a readcomics type website and then decide what to purchase
>>107605109>That's literally what you and the other poster are doing. You like All-Star Superman, so you insist that it's patrician, and it hurts your feelings when you find out that it isn't.You're the one so painstakingly ass mad that you're going on a tirade about some guy posting ASS that you are still making mental leaps to justify some definition that excludes it, even less one that excludes it without excluding a bunch of shit in the list you posted like Gotham by Gaslight, Plastic Man, Batman Year One, Batman Killing Joke, Batman Digital Justice, Watchmen, or Swamp ThingBut sure Sam and Max (great by the way), is somehow more fitting of the completely undefined term "patrician"
>>107600465>going to comics for "patrician tastes"go to books for patrician tastes dumbass
>>107600465IncalAsterios PolypDen NeverwhereNap of BrownMort CinderBlack HoleJimmy Corigganwhat anons have said
>>107605138>What makes you an expert on the medium? What makes you one, because I've never claimed to be>So far, your knowledge is only about two publishers and one genre in one country's industry.Almost like this conversation started with you complaining about ASS because you think it makes you look cool on the internet and I've actually stayed on topic
imagine being so contrarian you have to do mental gymnastics to convince yourself some of the most best selling and popular titles are bad lmao
>>107600626>tripfag is a weirdook
>>107605299I didn't post that list. Calm down, there are 33 posters in this thread.
>>107605346Where did I complain about ASS?
>>107605346no one is shit-talking ASS
>>107605352>sales==qualityI'm sure you're a big fan of Bendis then.
>>107605382not him but the general consensus is that patrician=good and pleb=bad. you are saying ASS isnt good, therefore you must think its bad
>>107601170Is metropol good? I meant to read it a long time ago, and then I read Pencilhead and Eddie Socket, which both turned me off to McKeever’s work. I’ll probably get to it eventually, but how comparable is it to his other works?
>>107605352yeah, everyone knows Identity Crisis and Civil War are some of the best comics of all time
>>107601248This, hating capeshit is dumb, but only reading capeshit is even dumber.
>>107601404>I'd contend that using "pleb" as an insult betrays far more.Plebeian is a direct antonym to patrician, that’s how English works you moron.
>>107605404bendis is fine on some titles
>>107605405I've been saying this whole conversation that I'm not criticizing ASS.If you didn't read my posts, just like how you didn't read the OP, that's your fault, not mine. ASS is not a bad comic, but it's not a comic for snobbish tastes.
>>107605449all the flaws in his "worst" works are just as present in his "good" works.
>>107605458so youre a snob?
>>107602230>”not a substitute for going back to fucking school”This joke is too funny to be in such a bad post.
>>107600465The best comics to get are the ones you enjoyand the ones you likeand most importantly the ones you want
>>107605458>just like how you didn't read the OPYou didn't read the thread, OP literally said in another post, that before he made the thread, ASS was already on his list of things to check out >>107603525 This isn't about anyone misunderstanding the thread. This is about you attempting to redefine patrician to be anything other than what it is is commonly used for on the site, and elsewhere, things that are commonly accepted as the best
>>107605493thank you wise anon
>>107605477Sure, why not? You should never be ashamed of your tastes. Even when I tell you that your tastes aren't patrician, you shouldn't be ashamed of that. As long as you enjoy reading the comics that you read, you should continue reading them.
>>107605512Use this knowledge wisely, my son. But also buy The Puma Blues, it's really pretty.
>>107604890>Big Two superhero comics by A-list creators or starring A-list characters are not patricianThey literally are not. That’s not what op is asking for and you know it.
>>107605506>commonly accepted as the bestPlebeians are the commoners, patricians are uncommon.What you're talking about is the opposite of patrician.
>>107605517but the shit i like is generally received as being patrician
>>107605506"commonly accepted" is literally the opposite of patrician
>>107605352Please I beg you to stop- you actively make normal capeshitters look worse by speaking.
>>107605567"Generally"? If the general readership has all read it then it's entry-level.
>>107605539ill check it outeven though i mostly stick to superheroes
>>107605553>>107603525>I actually put All-Star Superman on a to-check-out-list when doing some preliminary research. So I think I'll definitely be picking it up now. Will look into the others as well.
>>107605608Then be certain to read the most patrician of superhero books, Starman by James Robinson.
>>107605617OP is new to comics and they're easy to fool. You ought to know better.
>>107605573>"commonly accepted" is literally the opposite of patricianNo, contrarian is the opposite of commonly accepted. Works aren't patrician because only a few people like them, they're patrician because their quality is of a rare caliber, a high breed, they are patrician works, while lesser works are plebeian.
>>107605646If plebs and normies like it, it's bad.
>>107605635No one is so new to reality that they don't know Superman is a big two character. OP knew Superman is popular, but ASS is a work held to a higher regard that most other comics. It is... patrician
>>107605669If I like it, it’s bad.
>>107605646Patrician works are patrician because only patricians read them.When a work is beloved by the plebeian masses, it's an entry-level, casual or plebeian work. Unlike >>107605669 though, I do not believe that plebeian works are bad. Hopefully they are being facetious.
>>107605669plebs and normies will like whatever, there are so few things you can find that are universally hated among normal people, and even fewer of those hated things will be liked by anyone more invested in the medium
>>107605632>StarmanBased anon.Starman was the best C-list character series I've read.
>>107605702I wish I had a friend like The Shade.Or rather, I wish I was The Shade and had friends like Jack and Matt.
>>107605699>plebs and normies will like whateverYou've barely explored comics if you think this is true.Once you start to move beyond comics that revolve around fight scenes, you'll uncover hidden gems that, no matter how hard and how often you recommend them, the plebs of /co/ will refuse to even try.
>>107605714The only real patrician knows that they are a pleb.So nobody using the internet.
>>107605697>Patrician works are patrician because only patricians read them.>because only patricians read them>he thinks he himself is patricianHe finally admits
>>107605738Yeah, my tastes are uncommon. What else is new?Oh, wait, you're still strawmanning that it's about quality?
>>107605755So surely instead of misusing the word patrician, you can just say obscure, and instead of calling yourself patrician you can just say you like things that are obscure
>>107605810but then he cant feel all high and mighty
>>107605722Has Jack popped up anywhere in Rebirth? I miss the guy, I know he got the best and well deserved ending but I want to know what he's up to damn it!Also has the Shade made any appearances at all since nu-52?
>>107605810My tastes aren't really obscure though.As an example, my favorite comic of the last 5 years was>a #1 New York Times Bestseller>one of New York Times Book Review's 10 Best Books of 2014>a 2014 National Book Award Finalist>Finalist for the Thurber Prize for American Humor>Winner of the inaugural 2014 Kirkus Prize in nonfiction>Winner of the National Book Critics Circle Award>Winner of the 2014 Books for a Better Life Award>Winner of the 2015 Reuben Award from National Cartoonists SocietyIt's just that nobody on /co/ will discuss it because plebeians aren't interested in that sort of stuff.
>>107605755This should be a pop-up whenever a new ip visits 4chan.
I posted this in yesterday's /shelf/ thread. I tried to get 10 books that most people wouldn't talk shit about.How'd I do, anons?
>>107605831No clue about either, having finished the Robinson series I have had absolutely no desire to look for any further material that would cheapen it.
>>107605862This guy pays for prostitutes.
>>107605844>citing awards to justify his tasteYou're far more pleb than anyone else in this thread, I hope you realize that.
>>107605873paying for prostitutes = true patrician
>>107605862>American Splendorso close >>107602230
>>107605862Is Alec good?
>>107605844>my tastes are uncommon>My tastes aren't really obscure>a #1 New York Times Bestseller>plebeians aren't interested in that sort of stuffOne of these days you'll be coherent, and maybe just a little consistent
>>107605886Uncommon isn't the same as obscure, and critically acclaimed isn't the same as beloved by the masses.
>>107602230>fetishes, fetishes and more fetishesTell me more.
>>107605862I remembered some people on /co/ hate AS.>>107605867>any further material that would cheapen it.True. Though, I would still like DC to reference the Starmen again. Haven't seen guys like Mikaal or Gavyn in a while (even though they are pretty cool).
>>107605852source on this image btw?>>107605862>Rocketeer>PeanutsMost based poster in this thread
>>107605876I'm only demonstrating that it's not obscure. You might want to look at the people insisting that ASS is patrician because it's critically-acclaimed.>>107605886Go ahead and find me some discussions of it on websites for comic enthusiasts, like /co/.
>>107605898jesus h. christ
>>107605921WEIRD HOW IT DOESN'T SAY UNCOMMON HUH
>>107605898>a #1 New York Times Bestseller>as beloved by the massesThis isn't critical acclaim, this is normal people buying the book en masseThe people who bought it might not be on /co/ but that's a quite a lot to be a #1 best seller. A lot of normal people
>>107605907Love & Rockets is made by two brothers. One brother likes fat breasts and fat asses, so over several decades all his characters grow fatter. The other brother just likes giant breasts, so he over several decades he forgets his other characters and focuses on one family with giant breasts. Also BDSM, muscles and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting.
>>107605915Animosity. It’s not really fantastic, but I like how meticulously it explores its concepts. I’ve never read the spinoffs though.
>>107605914I'd bang Mikaal, honestly.
>>107605879>>107605914What's wrong with American Splendor?>>107605880yes, though desu I haven't finished the whole thing yet guess I'm a pleb>>107605915thanks anonHonestly, Rocketeer is one of the few true god-tier capeshit I've ever read. I wish there were a dozen more volumes by him
>>107605948>The people who bought it might not be on /co/ but that's a quite a lot to be a #1 best seller.Not for comics. The standards for charting on that chart are lower.
>>107605953Sounds like an incredible experience. Thanks for enlightening me.
>>107605953>Also BDSM, musclesPicked up.
>>107605964>Rocketeer is one of the few true god-tier capeshit I've ever readDo you have an opinion on Wild Cards? I’ve always mentally connected those two books for some reason.
>>107605979You'll want specifically the work of one brother, Gilbert "Beto" Hernandez. Muscles are mainly shown off in the small town of Palomar, by the female sheriff. Palomar has a new resident with giant breasts named Luba, and BDSM content is shown off best in digressions to Luba's American sisters.
>>107605970being #1 still means being higher than all the other comics, maybe all comics are uncommon then
>>107605990Wild Cards, as in the GRRM series?I've read the first book and enjoyed it well enough. It's a cool concept - shared universe capeshit novels by various writers. I wouldn't say it's amazing, but I liked it enough to say I'd eventually read more, but still haven't.
>>107606048look at all this uncommon shit
>>107606032Here is the first part of the storyline that you want.Love & Rockets - Heartbreak Soup.cbzhttps://www77.zippyshare.com/v/lS2E7QrI/file.htmlI don't remember if muscles or BDSM are in this particular volume, but Chelo (the woman who eventually grows muscular) and Luba (the woman whose sisters love BDSM) are in it.
>>107605934not weird at all actually
>>107606071You're such a nice man, anon.
>>107606052Yep, that’s what I was talking about.
Maybe not strictly thread related, but what is the comic strip that features numbered entries on strange or otherworldly features of normal town/city?
>>107606087Cool I figured. The one thing I forgot to mention is there IS a character that's Rocketeer-esque. The early stories are set ~WWII I believe, but it quickly moves through the 50s and 60s. You should check it out if you dig that kinda thing though.
>>107606067>uncommon shitNo, those are best sellers, for like, multiple weeks, persepolis is just a bit further down and that was popular enough to get a movie, most comics don't even get so much as an ad
>>107601003>Witch Doctor.I'll agree with you if they ever finish it.
>>107606067>240 weeks on the listA comic that charts for 1 week still gets to hold the title of New York Times bestseller, but only a fool would think it's as common as the comics charting for 240 weeks.
>>107605964>What's wrong with American Splendor?nothing, but some plebs don't like it
>>107606079>still doesn't say uncommon>not even in synonymsso you gonna come to a point anytime tonight
>>107606147>not well known isn't the same as uncommon in this contextYou're being disingenuousSo how about you show where anything says "patrician" has the same definition as uncommon, or any other definition you've pulled out of your ass
>>107606112>>107606133Okay so basically what you're saying is being on the NYT bestseller list means it's not obscure, but not common. But also being on the NYT bestseller list means it's super common.Got it.
>>107606180Look up plebeian.>noun: a commoner>adjective: of or belonging to the commoners If patrician isn't plebeian, then patrician isn't common.
>>107606216Okay since you avoided doing so [pic related]>If patrician isn't plebeian, then patrician isn't common.It's not commoner, commoner doesn't mean common. It means ordinary people. Because the actual definition of either of these words has nothing to do with their taste in media and your distinction has been completely and entirely arbitrary, simply because you want to call yourself patrician.
>>107606207I never said you were the same person. How about you respond to the post instead of trying to be clever?
>>107601992>Cités Obscures is a comic series inspired by Borges and Calvino and written by a guy who got his diploma right out of the grubby hands of Barthes.I have never been more interested in a comic before. You really know how to sell comics.>>107603525>I like the snobbish-tier nonsense to start off with as there seems to usually be legitimate reasons for people elevating themThe difference is a matter of time. Comics evolve out of one another, it's the nature of having an industry dominated by two companies struggling to out-compete each other, and farming talent from a limited pool. Anime is vastly different, where every series is virtually unrelated, and the "greats" stand out as examples of the best in their genre. With books as well, it tends to be the same, as they're generally solitary affairs, and the literary canon has grown so large that it's virtually impossible to have read everything.Meanwhile, comics are insular, and essentially a new medium. In theory, I could read every major comic written in a decade or two. Now imagine growing up in the 70s or 80s. It's very easy to see how writers and illustrators would be influenced by one another. Take Sandman, which is lauded as one of the greats, a work that you'd recommend to someone who doesn't even have interest in comics to enjoy. Sure, it's great, and they might enjoy it, but the reason it's truly great is something you won't really grasp at first.What I'm trying to say is that you may enjoy it, but you won't love a lot of these recommendations. The stories I enjoy most now are the ones I hated in my childhood. It's the nature of the genre, so don't force yourself into sampling the cream of the crop. Just read good comics for now, and you'll learn what makes them great on your own.And people should stop trying to recommend obscure stuff that's a pain in the ass to buy as well. Everyone's forgetting this is a recommendation thread for books that are worthy of print.
>>107606297What is there to respond to? You're disingenuously trying to suggest that a comic on the list for 1 weeks has the same sales as a comic on the list for 240 weeks. Be serious, please.
>>107606297>Okay so basically what you're saying is being on the NYT bestseller list means it's not obscure, but not common. But also being on the NYT bestseller list means it's super common.No one is saying both those things, two different people are saying two different things retard
>>107606274https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/plebeian>#1 synonym for plebeian: commonBut of course you keep denying this, simply because you want to call your favorite comics (like ASS) patrician.
This thread is killing me slowly and placidly.
>>107606347>https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/plebeian>>#1 synonym for plebeian: commonThis level of reaching, look at their actual definitions
>>107606358This thread is killing me slowly and plebily.
>>107606398>#1 related word: common
>>107606067Ghost is selling far better than some of the most popular ongoings in comics
>>107606398https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/patricianI suppose uncommon should be a synonym here by your logic
>>107606433No shit, it's Raina. Literally everything she puts out prints money.
>>107606433Why is Immortal Hulk so shit? People are acting like it's this generation's Sandman or something.
>>107604210>Is Kabuki worth getting into? If so, what's the version to get? The library hardcovers?Sorry, late to the thread but I am the biggest Kabukifag on /co/ yes it it worth getting into cause it is one of the best uses of the medium out there. However, collecting it is shit. Dark Horse fucked up the formatting so that you have to buy the origional Circle of Blood Trade cause the Library edition skews everything and for Kabuki it is important to keep the correct proportions otherwise the story doesn't work. But they fix it after Circle of Blood. So basically you have to get Circle of Blood and then get all the Library editions. It's shitty to have to double buy something but it's the only way to read the comics. Sorry, and fuck you Dark Horse...you should know better
Member BAN CAPESHIT guy? I ‘member BAN CAPESHIT guy.
>>107606461Not the point he said that stuff was uncommon. To become a bestseller, it simply cannot be uncommon
>>107606468Just bought Circle of Blood from Amazon for 5 eurobucks, shipping included. What am I in for?
>>107606464No one's saying or acting like it's "this generation's Sandman" whatever that's supposed to mean.
>>107606487a bent book, probably
>>107606501/co/ literally fellates it nonstop when it's not even scary>ooohohhhhh he smiled he never smiles how scary
>>107606524are you begging me to post the copypasta?
>>107606513Oh no, now my reading experience is foreverally ruined.
>>107606547different anon... post it
>>107606547Only if you post the below one as well.
>>107606457#1 antonym for patrician: commonUm, Anon...
>>107606560This will be my final post on /co/. How can anyone think that this is scary for real ? How can anyone take seriously a horror book with Joe Fixit as a supposed to be frightening monster ? How can anyone see Joe Fixit as frightening for real in this book ? "Ouh, Joe is smiling, so unsetlling, this is so scary guys..." why are you lying to yourself like that ? You guys are just forcing onto yourself the new fade there will be in this hivemind of a board, with the blandest, tamest, most classicly safe comic book there can be, while your selective outrage is shitting on Bendis' Young Justice for things that would be praised if they were written by someone else, but NOOOOOOOOOOOO you have to shit on it even if it's good because the hivemind dictates you to do so !!! No wonder you can't get laid, but guess what ? I got a girlfriend now. For the first time of my life after 25 years I finally got a girlfriend, and all that nerd fuss has become so irritating since. I'm just leaving for good now, I had plenty of fun with that board but I'm done. I wish you to get girlfriends to, maybe it will open your eyes about the hivemind that is destructing your self, but sadly, the hivemind is probably keeping you away from being able to seduce anyone, so you're most likely trapped in a vicious circle, and sadly, there is no Savage Dragon to save you from it. I just hope that this message will maybe help you to think by yourself a bit more and to get a girlfriend to. Enjoy your book.
>>107606576But where does it say patrician is a synonym anon
>>107606570ʞooq ɹnoʎ ʎoɾuǝ˙oʇ uoʎuɐ ǝɔnpǝs oʇ ǝlqɐ ƃuıǝq ɯoɹɟ ʎɐʍɐ noʎ ƃuıdǝǝʞ ʎlqɐqoɹd sı puıɯǝʌıɥ ǝɥʇ 'ʎlpɐs ʇnq 'ɟlǝs ɹnoʎ ƃuıʇɔnɹʇsǝp sı ʇɐɥʇ puıɯǝʌıɥ ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ sǝʎǝ ɹnoʎ uǝdo llıʍ ʇı ǝqʎɐɯ 'oʇ spuǝıɹɟlɹıƃ ʇǝƃ oʇ noʎ ɥsıʍ ı ˙ǝuop ɯ,ı ʇnq pɹɐoq ʇɐɥʇ ɥʇıʍ unɟ ɟo ʎʇuǝld pɐɥ ı 'ʍou pooƃ ɹoɟ ƃuıʌɐǝl ʇsnɾ ɯ,ı˙ǝɔuıs ƃuıʇɐʇıɹɹı os ǝɯoɔǝq sɐɥ ssnɟ pɹǝu ʇɐɥʇ llɐ puɐ 'puǝıɹɟlɹıƃ ɐ ʇoƃ ʎllɐuıɟ ı sɹɐǝʎ 42 ɹǝʇɟɐ ǝɟıl ʎɯ ɟo ǝɯıʇ ʇsɹıɟ ǝɥʇ ɹoɟ ˙ʍou puǝıɹɟlɹıƃ ɐ ʇoƃ ı ¿ ʇɐɥʍ ssǝnƃ ʇnq 'pıɐl ʇǝƃ ʇ,uɐɔ noʎ ɹǝpuoʍ ou¡¡¡ os op oʇ noʎ sǝʇɐʇɔıp puıɯǝʌıɥ ǝɥʇ ǝsnɐɔǝq pooƃ s,ʇı ɟı uǝʌǝ ʇı uo ʇıɥs oʇ ǝʌɐɥ noʎ oooooooooooou ʇnq 'ǝslǝ ǝuoǝɯos ʎq uǝʇʇıɹʍ ǝɹǝʍ ʎǝɥʇ ɟı pǝsıɐɹd ǝq plnoʍ ʇɐɥʇ sƃuıɥʇ ɹoɟ uɐɯɹǝdns ,sıpuǝq uo ƃuıʇʇıɥs sı ǝƃɐɹʇno ǝʌıʇɔǝlǝs ɹnoʎ ǝlıɥʍ 'ǝq uɐɔ ǝɹǝɥʇ ʞooq ɔıɯoɔ ǝɟɐs ʎlɔıssɐlɔ ʇsoɯ 'ʇsǝɯɐʇ 'ʇsǝpuɐlq ǝɥʇ ɥʇıʍ 'pɹɐoq ɐ ɟo puıɯǝʌıɥ sıɥʇ uı ǝq llıʍ ǝɹǝɥʇ ǝpɐɟ ʍǝu ǝɥʇ ɟlǝsɹnoʎ oʇuo ƃuıɔɹoɟ ʇsnɾ ǝɹɐ sʎnƃ noʎ¿ ʇɐɥʇ ǝʞıl ɟlǝsɹnoʎ oʇ ƃuıʎl noʎ ǝɹɐ ʎɥʍ "˙˙˙sʎnƃ ʎɹɐɔs os sı sıɥʇ 'ƃuıllʇǝsun os 'ƃuılıɯs sı ʞlnɥ ǝɥʇ 'ɥno"¿ ʞooq sıɥʇ uı lɐǝɹ ɹoɟ ƃuıuǝʇɥƃıɹɟ sɐ ʞlnɥ ǝɥʇ ǝǝs ǝuoʎuɐ uɐɔ ʍoɥ ¿ ɹǝʇsuoɯ ƃuıuǝʇɥƃıɹɟ ǝq oʇ pǝsoddns ɐ sɐ ʞlnɥ ǝɥʇ ɥʇıʍ ʞooq ɹoɹɹoɥ ɐ ʎlsnoıɹǝs ǝʞɐʇ ǝuoʎuɐ uɐɔ ʍoɥ ¿ lɐǝɹ ɹoɟ ʎɹɐɔs sı sıɥʇ ʇɐɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ ǝuoʎuɐ uɐɔ ʍoɥ/oɔ/ uo ʇsod lɐuıɟ ʎɯ ǝq llıʍ sıɥʇ
>>107606604I told you last night, you leaned too hard into the bait. One volume of Alias and one of Sex Criminals and I really would have believed it.
>>107606590>>107606623And everything is fine now.
>>107606067open your assholes for a double Raina year.
>>107606629It should have been all Sex Criminals
>>107606645I unironically liked SC volume 1. Volume 2 was one of the worst comics I've ever read.Fraction doesn't know how to let a joke die.
>>107606642But how can a woman assrape me?
>>107606657Imo the funniest thing to come out of it was chip zdarzky having to explain to his girlfriends mother why his name was permanently attached to the words ‘Sex Criminal”
>>107606667With a strap-on, dumb-dumb.
>>107606487basically, a grown man trying to get over his mothers death. It's fucking great cause once you see him doing a book about his mothers death, the book getrs 100x better
>>107600465The CartoonNetwork block parties are patrician, actual fucking underrated gems
>>107606762Also the League of Legends comics are going to be on all the recommended patrician reading list in a few years
>>107606629I intentionally leaned into the bait, even put my Hot Mexican Love Comics there. And even did the 132 with Sex Criminals. I wanted it to be a troll post, not a bait one. But I found I liked Sex Criminals much more after Volume 1 cause it stopped relaying too much on comedy and dealt with actual mental illness. I liked it when they broke the characters up and started dealing with the fuck up of a character he is. Not everyone will like a messy plot like this but I do, cause the messiness feels more real
>>107606794That looks like crap.
>>107606794and if you haven't already read the artemis fowl GN yet OP i'd get on that, though it sounds like you would have come across this already if you were looking for patrician works
>>107606821Now only a preview issue has come out thus far but, the Tangle and Whisper Sonic Miniseries is looking to be something that will absolutely define this decade in comics
>>107606875>sonic>definitiveGood jokes, anon.
>>107606937It's a bad joke because he thinks people actually need to be warned that 99% of adaptation/tie-in comics are trash.
>>107606955what are the best adapted comics?>Conan>Ring of the the Niblungs>The Graveyard Book>ElricWhat else?
>>107606875now recently they started making comics with super heroes, and I don't know how long the trend will last but what we've gotten so far has been inspiring, sort of a thought experiment on what someone can do with more exception abilities than normal humans
>>107607004City of Glass, by David "Asterios Polyp" Mazzucchelli.
>>107607008I've been amazed at just how deep and meaningful it all can be
>>107607008>more exception abilities than normal humansHey, I have that!
>>107607004Summit of the Gods. It was written by the author of the original novel.
>>107607036Just the depth of storytelling possible, and the absolute artistic skill of many involved in the industry
Slightly unrelated, but has anyone else having problems with their local CBS not putting new issues out from the non-main publishers? I usually have to wait weeks to find a single particular book and most the time it's just luck.
>>107607071And that's when they're not making surreal gut busters
Thorgal if you want ancient astronauts viking adventures with beautiful art. Transmetropolitan because of the crazy dystopia yet highly relevant political story. Locke & Key if you want some comfy horror.
>>107607105and when I say gut busters boy do I mean it, so many great works I just can't stop laughing at
>>107607169but that's before we talk about all the great visuals and variety of styles on display here
>>107605447>Plebeian is a direct antonym to patricianNot it's not you moron.
>>107607193The stories that can be told can be so very human, something so deeply personal and touching that you just can't get anything better elsewhere
is this /shelf/ ?
>>107607257No, this is Patrick.
>>107607071>>107607105Were entering patrician levels I didn't think were possible.
>>107607231Sometimes the art just speaks so much for itself that there's no need for anything else to be included, no need to explain what the binding grip of danger, the obstacles blocking paths yet traveled the friends that must be left behind to reach bright destinations or the journey you take to reach legends
Savage Sword of Conan
>>107607193>write a noir Spider-Man story>make the art a boring piss-tinged mess instead of something that invokes a noir feeling I'll never understand it.
>>107607308It's a giant enemy crab!
>>107607336the crabs are normal-sized
>>107607333that's capes for you
>>107607308when a comic artist wants to show you something the message is clearly communicated at all times, I can't think of a single comic that isn't patrician OP
>>107606472give me a quick rundown
>>107607369there's just something about images shown in a sequence to portray a narrative that is so undeniably KINO that words can't be used to describe it. Every time I put my eyes to the page and consume this media I gain a great feeling of superiority to those around me, I don't know if I could live without the increased dopamine levels
>>107607400C U T E
>>107607369>>107607427Why is a western comic an animu?
>>107607446the artist is a nip
>>107600465Lemme guess. Are you from /lit/?
>>107607446the japanese are masters of the art form and western comic artist have done well to imitate them. Why just the though that one day we will eventually have an american comic where a cute girl is transported to a fantasy world and becomes an all powerful salamander fills me with an immense sense of joy. Included image entirely unrelated to the contents of this post
>>107607400I know /co/ doesn't like this comic much but I love it, it's partly cause I just love high fantasy and world builidng
>>107600465It really depends what you like. Do you like simplistic art styles or realistic ones? Do you like writting over drawing? Do you like fantasy, realism, drama, surrealism? Thinking something is "patrician" is kinda retarded, to be honest, just read the comics you like and have a decent explanation why you like them over other things.
>>107600465I tried Tokyo Ghost, just kid bullshit, don't even try it. A lot of anime is just >shyboi>cute girl shyboi is sexually attracted to>shyboi gets changed by something>shyboi has to fight someone>shyboi expresses feelings to girl>girl like shyboi>shyboi now just a boiMaybe Toyko Ghost is different but those first two books were boring as fuck. IF I were to suggest a couple.. We Stand On Guard, Black Hole, God Loves Man Kills, Fun House, anything Junji Ito. Those are about the only ones I've rated 5/5 on goodreads. I enjoy Crossed but it's more of a guilty pleasure.
>>107607369>>107607493What's that? Looks interesting.
>>107607530No, that's accurate for Tokyo Ghost>We Stand On Guardactual trash
>>107607485>one day we will eventually have an american comic where a cute girl is transported to a fantasy world and becomes an all powerful salamander fills me with an immense sense of joy.You are braindead, I see.
>>107607517>and have a decent explanation why you like them over other things.Post was based until thisYou do not need a single justification for why you like something or think it's good.If you're going to have an argument about it for some reason, sure, but you can just say something is good or bad and have no obligation to anyone but yourself to understand why (to yourself because knowing why you like something can help you find more of it)>>107607543Monstress
>>107607543Monstress. The actual plot is pretty shaky but the world-building is cool and the art is gorgeous.
>>107607530>A lot of anime is just I have a couple thousand worth of manga on my shelf and not ONE can be described that way. Why do you subject yourself to garbage?
>>107607530Are you fucking talking about tokyo ghoul because tokyo ghost is completely different
>>107607582lol yeah that's it>>107607570recommend me something bro, my manga friends have recommended nothing but teen bullshit>>107607557I enjoyed it. The characters could be shallow but I thought it was an interesting and the art was cool
>>107606468Thank you for the reply. Is the first library book as borked as the second one? I read some Amazon reviews and I found this guy absolutely skewering the second one.https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R3I8NNPU2V23H/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_btm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1616557036#wasThisHelpfulAll but the first one look to be out of print and going for silly money anyway, so I might wait for the moment
>>107607758>recommend me something broI direct you first to>>107607043It's about mountain climbing, a very intense story about men chasing their dreams at great personal cost.Looks gorgeous too.
>>107607781added to the list. Is there a name for stories like this? I mean, more personal stories I suppose?
>>107607819I think I have put my finger on your problem.Your friends recommend you shounen stories (ages 12 and up) and you don't like them because you're not part of that demographic. What I recommended you is a seinen (20's and up), and you most likely are part of that demographic.Maybe you will be able to find things you enjoy if you keep this demographic distinction in mind.
>>107607231I love it when Superman actually lets out his emotions. Makes me forget that he could probably wipe us all in one sweep if he wants to.
>>107607876Thanks, I'll check that out. Been reading comics all my life but just now venturing into manga. It's been a rough trip thus far.
>>107607919Summit of the Gods and Planetes are a decent place to start. Enjoy, fren.
>>107607919Read Soul Eater, also Monster. Nothing else even compares, but Hajimete no Aku is pretty good
>>107607996Monster is the only thing listed here that's actually good.
>>10760810233.3% you got a failing grade on the good taste test anon. Study the material and come back later
>>107600465Jeff Smith's Bone.
>>107609148Did Jeff ever made anything else besides Bone?
>>107609155RASL and Shazam! The Monster Society of Evil
>>107609161>MSEWow, he wrote that?>RASLWhats that?
>>107609166-Yes he wrote his own origins of Shazam.-RASL(Romance at the Speed of Light) Some guy who steal famous paintings by jumping through parallel worlds but runs into danger along the way.
>>107609215RASL sounds cool. How many issues? And is it worth picking up?
>>10760922115 Issues. I do recommend this, it's an adult work for Jeff Smith.
Arrived late in the thread but here's my take: don't bother reading capeshit, any of it.People who think capeshit can be good and consider Grant Morrison and Alan Moore or whatever to be good writers are the people who think Great Gatsby is high literatureCapeshit is the hip-hop of literature, even when it's "good", it's trash.
>>107609300>he doesn't enjoy Slick RickLook at this dummy.
>>107605862>ZotAbsolutely disgusting. McCloud is a completely talentless fag.
>>107606468holy shit why are the Kabuki Library volumes all $2-300 after the first volume
>>107610261Dank Whore is dying so they're not reprinting shit one and that means inflated prices. Same thing with some of the Usagi trades, good luck finding Duel at Kitanoji in non-Saga format for less than Fuck You dollars.
>>107609300>People who think capeshit can be good and consider Grant Morrison and Alan Moore or whatever to be good writers are the people who think Great Gatsby is high literatureThis is interesting because you’ve obviously connected two completely different sorts of people on the sole basis that you dislike them both.
Audiobooks only serve one purpose and that’s allowing me to shove as many warrior cats books as possible down my gullet in a single day.Also Mythology is inferior to The Medieval Myths.
>>107610096If you don't like Zot, that's one thing. But calling McCloud talentless is straight up ignorant.
>>107610745I stand by it. His comics about comics are the worst kind of ignorant hackwork and his worship of ligne-claire style is clearly based on nothing more than being a lazy, talentless fuck.
>>107610542Agree with this, anyone who really admires Fitzgerald's writing would likely want to bludgeon Moorefags to death with a style manual.
>>107604220I wouldn't consider Nausicaä pretentious, just stupid.
>>107606310>Anime is vastly different, where every series is virtually unrelated, and the "greats" stand out as examples of the best in their genre.Anime rip each other off constantly.
>>10760791920th Century BoysSome later Tezuka stuff like Buddha and AdolfJoJoTry stuff by Jiro TaniguchiStargazing Dog
>>107610261welp, glad I own them all. Dark Horse is fucked though
Why do you faggots have console wars about western comics and manga/anime. Both have their strength and weaknesses.
>>107610804Cool, so you've never read Zot, then? Because it has nothing to do with Making or Understanding comics, and he doesn't use the ligne-claire style. But congrats on bringing things up just to prove you know something, I guess.
>>107600465This is the bookshelf of someone who does not read.
>>107610952The same reason people have console wars about literally everything - they wanna be right.
>>107610169He seems fun.
>>107611042Yeah, that lower shelf...
>>107611042>>107611159I've read all of them except aristotle's poetics, one of the plays in the Euripides book, and a few random short stories in the Chekhov short story collection. I do not understand why people just assume you don't read stuff it it's the classics or in nice bindings. I have a shit load more nice bindings below as well but I posted pic of top shelf since it has the manga I own on it. Stop projecting breh
>>107611013>http://scottmccloud.com/1-webcomics/zot/zot-01/zot-01.html>this is not ligne-claire
>>107611621>webcoming that came out 10 years after the book in the pictureGood job, anon - you played yourself.
>>107611621you know that's not the original zot, right?
>>107611408Don't worry Anon, we all think you're smart.
>>107609300>even when hip hop is good its trashYou've managed to say something more retarded than I thought was possible. I'd love to hear about your collection of obscure and transgressive noise
>>107611948>Bach is obscure and transgressive noise>Django Reinhardt is just some German douchebag playing the cordless drill
>>107611991you forgot "fnar fnar"
>>107611991>I only listen to classical music and jazz>all modern music is triteI really hope you're 14.
>>107611991I’m legitimately impressed.
>>107611408>I do not understand why people just assume you don't read stuff it it's the classics or in nice bindingsBecause a lot of people use classical literature as decorum in their homes.
>>107612932that word does not mean what you think it means
>>107612967kek based /lit/ poster correcting grammar
>>107612967Oh fuck, I didn’t realize.
>>107612967As long as we're all following standard decoration here it's fine with me
anyone know what's happening with the flash deluxe edition 4? booksetc said it's out this week but they don't have it instock and i can't seem to find it anywhere else in stock eitherdon't say DC is trolling with me and cancelled the rest of the HC releases
>>107606802More realistic that people would just be grunting in a battle than tossing out quips like Spidey.
>>107605539>It was written by Steve Murphy I like tmnt adventures but is mostly mediocre.Is puma blues really good?
>>107600465>am looking for "patrician-tier/TASTE-tier" comics to dig intoWell then you're shit outta luck, you ain't gonna find any here.
>>107612380What is this, a Defener for ants?
>>107611408It just looks like it's all for show, to give you a pretty bookshelf. If they were well-worn, heavily-creased paperbacks I'd believe you actually read them.
>>107614491i started buying nicer bindings because I wanted my books to last longer than my paperbacks were lasting lol. I definitely prefer the aesthetics and they serve the functional purpose of retaining their form after being read, and often cost about the same or barely more than their paperback counterparts. But that's not the point of the thread. The point is to keep building a list of some comics with great aesthetics and good stories
>>107613756after doing some googling they did infact cancel it, why they did when it's one of their bigger series i have no idea
>>107604722>>107604863You can start with the Surfer catalog like Requiem and Parable are worth and add the Lee and Kirby Silver Surfer Fireside Press graphic novel to the listThere's the Galactus vs Ego saga in Thor #160-162 then 168-169 and you see a glimpse of Galactus' origin. A recon reprint was published as Super-Villain Classics #1 in it Gruenwald and Byrne retool see detail of his story, see this comparison http://marathon.bungie.org/story/Origin_of_Galactus_comparison.htmlfurther more the Englehart Silver Surfer material makes for a great read, as Ego is considered an Elder of the Universe, you can see Galactus battling the Elders in vol. 3, #1 - 19, and 48Strange Tales II #3 by James Stokoe Galactus: The Devourer #1-6Nova vol. 4, #13-15Byrne era Fantastic Four #210-212, 242-244, and 257 which carried over to Epic Illustrated #28-36 known as The Last Galactus StoryLately the last couple of issues in Waid's Dr. Strange had a good appearance by Galactus, not the first time they dual other clashes include Fantastic Four #143-144 and Dr. Strange: Sorcerer Supreme #42-45
I would recommend working your way through the Marvel Graphic Novel series from the 80s. /co/ doesn't really appreciate good art, most people just follow characters they like and read whatever they can get with little regard to writing quality or artwork. That's why good looking comics are so rare, most people will buy any kind of shit as long as it has their favorite character.
>>107600465Sandman is very good, as is Promethea. I've also been enjoying Monstress and Lady Mechanika. And pretty much any Elric books are also good.