So while having a FANTASTIC time reading new new Wonder Twins mini it got me thinking; can DC salvage the other Super Friends characters? The media won't shut up about diversity, so why not reinvent Apache Chief, Samurai, and El Dorado with new names and costumes? The DCAU already did this with The Ultimen, and it wasn't half bad. Do you have any ideas on what to do with these forgotten characters?
>>106453434I've been toying with this idea for some time, mainly making them in their 60's either remembering crime fighting in the '70's in a Denny's or having to ride again against some low level crooks.
>>106453434The Young Justice version of them are fine, except maybe diablo who is just boring compared to the others.
>>106455033You mean those lame street orphans in regular clothes? Hard pass.
>>106453434They’ve done it a few times.JLU’s Ultimen.YJ season 2’s runnaway metas. Though they cheated by making subbing static for a black vulcan stand in. Ty Longshadow was pretty cool though.
>>106454080About the only thing you could do with Black Vulcan is maybe make him Black Lightning's predecessor.>>106455108Yeah, OP already mentioned that, thanks for reading. We're talking about bringing them back in comics
>>106455048Well I said they were just fine, nothing too special. Especially considering that their origin was for 70s diversity points, who the fuck would've cared back then?OH but there is also the Justice League Unlimited version of them where they along with the wonder twins are government created heroes.
>>106455149I kinda like the idea that YJ had with Samurai being a woman, but I guess that may to be too similar to Katanna like how Black Lightning and Vulcan are very similar.Apache Cheif would have the best chance coming back in to relevancy since he is remembered to this day by normies.
>>106455230Yes Apache Chief is the most salvageable of the group, you'd just have to change his name and costume. Long Shadow was a better name in hindsight, probably could say the same for Samurai's stand in "Wind Dragon".
>>106453434Same names and costumes, dragged into modern comics from their own timeline through shenanigans. Deal with being from a different time and change to be slightly less stereotypical.
>>106455230>>106455281This makes me think, why not just turn them into the Outsiders?Instead of creating Black Vulcan and Samurai, have Black Lightening and Katana as their stand-ins. Then it's a matter of just introducing Apache Chief and El Dorado.
>>106455346El Dorado's thing is teleporting right? Why not make his thing that he was a thief using his powers to make jobs easier. Yes like Jumper because his powers aren't really offensive. He then gets caught by The Outsiders and after being caught he saves someone from the team, getting him a lighter sentence, and his sentence is working for the team. Where he then works for the team and learns different ways to use his powers until his sentence is up.
>>106455637But we already have a south of the border teleporter
>>106455737GOD FUCKING DAMNIT THAT SERIES WAS CANNED TOO. Okay so Black Vulcan- Black LightningSamurai- KatannaEl Diablo- SidewaysFuck Apache Cheif is the only one left who hasn't been replaced by a more modern version.
>>106455737He's puerto rican raised by whites in Gotham
>>106455807Well on the Sideways issue, there's a good chance he'll return given that he's one of Didio's babies. Doesn't hurt that the book wasn't too bad either, but it sadly wasn't enough. As for the Apache Chief stand in, Giganta? I'm not exactly sure which side of the law she's on these days.>>106455840He did just meet his birth mom.
>>106455854Just introduce Long Shadow.
Bring them back as a group like they did in JLU, working for Maxwell Lord and everything.
>>106455933Evil Max or Fun Max, although I find its a shame that he wasn't a fun straight man after his shitty face heel.
>>106455984>>106455933Maxwell will forever be a villain after what Johns done to him.
>>106455984Both, like in Generation Lost. He's the guy you love to hate.
>>106456022That was pretty fun and he wasn't that bad in OMAC.
>>106453434Black Vulcan is already Black Lightning. I would like to see a new version of the others though. El Dorado should be Colombian at least. That's where El Dorado comes from.
>>106455230Wind Dragon was so much cooler than YJ Asami
>>106456118>El Dorado should be ColombianI dunno if most comic readers can handle a guy desperately trying to handle Columbia's bullshit.
>>106456153He should be venezuelan dealing with the fresh hot shit happening in his shit country, wishing to teleport away.
>>106455637El Dorado had a bunch of powers in Super Friends.
>>106455807Samurai was a stand-in for Red Tornado, and the name is El Dorado, not El Diablo. Apache Chief had a stand-in with Manitou Raven.
Black Vulcan is just Black Lightning with the serial numbers filed off.Apache Chief was reimagined as the superb character Manitou Raven - a mystic "Native American" hero from waaaaaaaaaaay back in time brought to the present, where he got to grapple with culture shock but also practically got a blank cheque from his deity of choice since there were no more true shamans left. Turned giant a few times.Samurai and El Dorado were in Superfriends far less than Apache Chief, so honestly I don't feel any particular need to try and redeem them instead of focusing on more memorable modern characters.
Samurai is just shit. "I'm a Japanese hero with a sword, and I'm called samurai." Fuck man, even by Superfriends standards that wasn't even trying. You may as well make a gunslinger character that's literally named "Cowboy" and has no character beyond being a cowboy. You've got to bring more to the table. Like how Knight and Squire aren't just literally a knight and squire, they're a British pastiche on Batman and Robin.You can redeem ANY character, sure, but sometimes you have to look at the sheer climb it'd take and ask yourself "why bother?"
>>106457366Manitou Raven being cucked by Dawn in those later storylines completely ruined the character.
>>106456118>>106456153so you're saying that El Dorado's nemesis should be Snowflame correct?>>106457366>Apache Chief was reimagined as the superb character Manitou Raven - a mystic "Native American" hero from waaaaaaaaaaay back in time brought to the present, where he got to grapple with culture shock but also practically got a blank cheque from his deity of choice since there were no more true shamans left. Turned giant a few times.as much as I like Manitou Raven he's a tad too different from Apache Chief to be a good replacement for him, the suggestions others have had about just using the Long Shadow version of Apache Chief is probably the best way to revive him, same with the rest of the Ultimen, though we'd need an analogue for El Dorado since JLU didn't bother with one for some reasonalso definitely feels weird how they just dropped the ball completely with the Ultimen after their debut episode(not counting the clone army of them), heck even though Long Shadow ended up going with the League we never see him again>>106457431probably why most people are suggesting having Katana be used instead, or at the very least his Ultimen counterpart Wind Dragon
>>106457431I mean DC also has Katana and Bushido, whose main traits are using a katana and being a bushido respectivelyDC isn't great at this
>>106457431>>106458692Samurai doesn't use a sword, he has wind and fire powers. Why is everyone is saying use Katana as a stand-in?
>>106455807Pretty muchAnd then going along with this guy>>106460223Just give Samurai an actual name, update the costume and let the fact that he is "Samurai from SuperFriends" be apparent to those who get the reference. So,NEW SUPERFRIENDS > 'Apache Chief'/ 'Chief' / Ty Longshadow > [Insert Japanese name here] > Black Lightning> Sideways
DC already dug through the bottom of the barrel with Brave and the Bold, the Samurai/Black Vulcan/etc aren't even suds. Let them fade into obscurity as novelties of a simpler time.
>>106457431He controls wind and fire, there's plenty you could do with that. All he needs is a name change and a better costume.
>>106455637Teleportation, Illusions (that can make sound and seem solid), super-strength, levitation (maybe flight), maybe telepathy -- so, kinda paranormal/psychic (maybe super-strength is "mind-over-matter" tele-or-psycho-kinesis), so he might be magical or psionic in nature."El Dorado" is a perfectly ok name, tho.
>>106456009They've been making noises about him being the villain in 80s Wonder Woman too. >Normals will now forever know Maxwell Lord as a Wonder Woman villain
>>106456747>Manitou RavenHell yes.
DC and their fans are not interested in making Black Superheroes anymore. they're not even pretending.I feel sorry for John Stewart fans the most. They keep posting on CBR and he never even had an ongoing.
>>106453434Man, these dudes show a *lot* of skin.
>>106455984>Fun MaxYES. Evil Max was a mistake.
>Black Lighting appeared a year before Challenge of the Super Friends >They use a donut steel insteadFor what purpose?
>>106462815So they wouldn't have to pay Jeff's creator royalties. Marvel wasn't the only shitty comics company.
>>106457431>Implying the cowboy characters aren’t always the bestA modern Samurai played straight is awesome. Dude is already a historian, just give him the cheeky personality of Toshiro Mifune yojimbo and make his ancestor a kitsune or Abe Seimei.This isn’t hard
>>106462564What does any of that have to do with anything?
>>106456249He can go to USA to take revenge for he’s country, end put Trump in the jail for crimes against humanity
>>106453434I remember that Alex Ross' Shazam pitch back in the 00's was to also have Black Vulcan be a kid who also got some of the powers from the old wizard Shazam.
>>106462988That'd work better for Bushido, but we can go further with it. Give him a straight-laced, serious personality a la the classic depiction of a samurai hero in fiction, but he's followed around by the ghost of his samurai ancestor, an irreverent lout who was a low-level bureaucrat in the early 19th century who never got in a fight in his life and mostly just tries to get Ryuku to talk to girls.
>>106462203Johns need that royalty, mate.
>>106463949>Johns gets royalties from a character created by Giffen, DeMattis, and Maguire
>>106463976Based on a story by Geoff Johns.
>>106463988>WB needs to buy the rights to a story owned by one of their constituent companies and pay one of their employees royalties That's not even getting into the fact that WW84 in no way resembles OMAC Project or IC.
>>106464095Are you deaf? Shit works that way. For example Tony S. Daniel got royalty checks and had his name credit for Wonder Woman, all because the movie referenced the God Killer sword.