With Psylocke now firmly eliminated who will be the next "problematic" character to get erased by nuMarvel?
>>104551142I thought they just split her back into Psylocke and the asian assassin again.
>>104551150They did. British Psylocke is better anyway.
>>104551175british psylocke is a forgettable nobody who would be a minor background character today if she hadn't gone ninjathat's just the facts
This person is very bad at drawing feet.
>>104551255It's not characterwise that she became an Asian ninja it's that Jim Lee in the 1990s drew her and wanted to draw a sexy ninja lady
>>104552021And coincidentally that's when she started becoming popular.
>>104552075>source: my assNo she did not, she was always popular.
>>104552093>she was always popular.Ok but making her a hot japanese ninja made her MORE popular.
>>104551142Imagine /co/ complaining about a black character in one thread and then complaining about making a character white again in another.
>>104552130It's almost as if /co/ isn't just one person.
>>104552111Can't argue with that.
>>104552111Hard to prove that since the Asian body came around the 90s when almost all the X-Men exploded in popularity.
>>104552093No she wasn't you tard
>>104551142>No side legI am still coping
>>104551142I'm surprised Hank Pym wasn't erased of continuity yet... I mean, they always shit on him but in the modern world he should basically be considered the worst person in the Marvel Universe.
>>104551142My Girl is back!>>104551255>british psylocke is a forgettable nobodySuck a fat one. Brit-Betsy was best Betsy. It's too bad that they can't resurrect her hot /ss/ relationship with Doug.
>>104553307They would have too kill Doug, again, and then resurrect him in a younger body.
>>104552093>every adaptation across multiple mediums have portrayed her Asian body>Even AU versions of her have the Asian body or otherwise end up in one>The Asian body lasted almost 30 years and in spite of her having been put in her original body and dying multiple times, she always returned to the Asian body>The Asian body is her at her most iconic B-but I swear, she’s always been popular
>>104551142Next year the Avengers are gonna be a 24/7 gay pride parade travelling around the world "gaying" everything in their path.
>>104553755They’re gonna recruit Teen Jean Grey?
>>104553638Wonder why they don't retcon her into an Asian. She can be Captain Britain's half sister, it's not like she looked THAT Asian.
>>104553917Honestly at this point, just put her in a body that is half Asian and half Caucasian with features from both. Hell the actress who plays her in the current movies fits that
I haven't been reading the new marvel comic books, what did they do?
>>104554548Zub randomly decided to have her die again and somehow reform her original body from Saphire Styxx and Revenche came back in her Asian body. All this inna story about searching for Wolverine
>>104551175What do you mean better? In what way? In a late 70's Chris Claremont way? You're not getting that nostalgia bait drip fed anon.
>>104554582What the fuck
>>104554601NuMarvel in a nutshell. Oh and all of these developments sans her dying all occurred in the span of 1 issue just to show how much of an afterthought this was and only existed to make her White again
>>104552093>she was always popular.No she wasn't, she was a side character in Captain Britain. Her popularity began to increase when she acquired recognition from Mutant Massacre onward I.E when she started appearing in X-Men. She became iconic with Jim Lee's costume redesign.
>>104554645>guys we need to fill up the volume>ok how about we make some actual character development>oh yeah thats a great idea but how about we kill and resurrect Psylocke insteadMakes me afraid to ask about my favourite characters now.
>>104553307>It's too bad that they can't resurrect her hot /ss/ relationship with Doug.Never happened, it was very briefly touched on but nothing became of it.
>>104551255I promise the only reason you "care" about Asian Psylocke is be abuse her ass is hanging out
>>104554699>implying that's not the reason why she's popular.
>>104554699Or because she’s a badass ninja who actually brings a completely different fighting style in the use of her psychic abilities that literally none of the other psychics of the X-Men do.
>>104554672The best part of this is Jim Zub demonstrated he could do character development, various characters reminiscing about Wolverine and the letter from Carol Danvers. I think he was trying to be too ambitious with a story to affect a change nobody asked for, the editors ok'd it in the knowledge insufficient pages would be dedicated to it. It came over as rushed and forced through with little impact or consequence.
>>104554758Not only that but it was a sci fi trope that made her stand out in a team book of uniqueness.
>>104552491last we saw of him he got sucked from ultron into the soul gem and got eaten by some sort of monster there while hallucinating about his old team saving him and accepting him.
>>104554699I care because I loved her in X-force and every story involving her in her British version is boring. I don't understand all these people claiming British Betsy was great, she was a shitty Jean Grey with a purple color scheme instead of red/green and a butterfly motif instead of a phoenix. A downgrade in every way. I don't know why they don't just retcon her into always being Asian, her dad was from another dimension anyway. And as for her ass they already gave her a more modest version of her costume in X-force, I don't know why they refuse to use it and keep giving her these garish pink/purple shitty looks instead.
>>104554504You know, she wasn't even fully Kwannon, both women had their features merged together after the swap.
>>104554699I could fap to Kwanon, but you know she isn't Betsy. At this point it became a central part of her identity, right now, what does she have? If she starts doing ninja moves people on Twitter would still call it racist.
>>104555592>X-forceNone of the right people in the industry read X-Force unfortunately
>>104556483Which means they had it right and still fucked it up in the end
>>104556612Horrible, hopefully they aren't that stupid when they put her on the MCU.
>>104554672>Makes me afraid to ask about my favourite characters now.I hope you aren't a fan of the New Mutants
>>104551142You know what, I think I’ve finally figured out why I hate this new appearance. Getting rid of her iconic appearance aside, everything about this look is bland. The costume is incredibly generic looking, for some reason she now has a huge open v neck opening extending from one side of the collar bone to the other despite the costumes she’s known for wearing having had high and closed collars, the entire look is to bright with light purple and pink in spite of her being known for wearing dark colors and the bright purple hair and eyes just look ridiculous. Aesthetically alone, I can’t take her seriously as being a ninja
>>104554645>NuMarvel in a nutshell.Wasn’t she white in the beginning though?Wouldn’t NuMarvel have her replaced by a black chick?
>>104557110Honestly...That would have been fucking fun, all things considered.>"Wait, now I'm a black shit!">*storms slams in* "Excuse me?"
Nobody cared about discount Jean Gray till she became a sexy ninja and anyone who even pretends to think otherwise is a gigantic lying douche.
>>104551142>Betsy? You're you again?How many characters actually knew her in her original body? That seems like an odd thing to say.
>>104557181In her defense, she was the best sexy ninja.
>>104557194That's her brother (who she barely interacts with, seriously).
>>104557203Yeah and that's why she should have stayed so. She brings the sexy ninja card to the table. We're already lousy with psychics. So let her be the sexy ninja people want. Im not saying it's a deep reason but it's at least an honest reason.
>>104557149And now I’m sad they didn’t go with a race swapping gimmick for Psylocke.
>>104557229>That's her brother>Person saying that looks like a lesbian vampire>Notably not what Captain Britain looks likeExcuse me?
>>104557232What if they went the Iron Fist route and her be a white person good with martial arts?
>>104557252Yes, let's pile on more shit to a character just to get her back to where she was
>>104557229there has been a lagging miscommunity-cation.
>>104557110Nah it’s connected because it’s basically removing the Asian body not because of having a good story to tell but because they fear it’s “problematic” and that all of 5 people who don’t buy comics complain about cultural appropriation
>>104557308Which is dumb because she is Asian in literally everything, I don't think there are even toys of her in her original body.
>>104557308>>104557375Did people actually complain though?I feel like people are making this a social justice issue when it has nothing to do with being “problematic”, especially considering the theme of A Fresh Start.
>>104557269I’m not sure what people want.But given the nature of comics, she’ll go back to being Asian eventually. Just like how Odinson is Thor and Steve is Captain America.
>>104557428See there in lies the rub though. Im sure everything will go back to normal but I really don't want to invest or hang around long to see it all go back to a done status quo. It's a combined shit show of halfhearted ideas and nothing mattering. And Im done.
>itt 90s kids mad that the character preceded their cartoon and video game understanding of Betsystay mad faggotsHow old is Doug in-universe now and is he still dead
>>104557450How have you read superhero comics for this long?
>>104557417There were some people on Twitter, yes, and I think someone form Marvel made some comments about her identity. I frankly didn't put much attention to it because I'm more concerned about when is it being reversed, because of course it will.at least I hope so
>>104557308>fear it’s “problematic” and that all of 5 people who don’t buy comics complain about cultural appropriationThis.
>>104557417>Did people actually complain though?The usual virtue signallers on their self important blogs.
>>104557450Honestly, I can keep track of comic fans.Some want to maintain the status quo, some want some actual change and because it’s not monolithic, DC and Marvel are stuck in this endless cycle.
>>104557467Everything gets reversed eventually. Probably in a year or two the next cosmic/multiverse event will have her get remade as an Asian again, maybe they'll do the right thing and retcon her to have always been that way.
>>104557417Most of the people I saw were treating as a lose-lose. The situation with Psylocke is so weird a lot of people just didn't care anymore or don't think there's a satisfactory solution and thought it was weird to change now. Most people blamed Shogun Cebulski for obvious reasons.
>>104557537Why is the issue of Psylocke suddenly TOO COMPLICATED for people. British telepath got mind swapped into a ninja body. BOOM. DONE. That's not crazy as far as comics go. You don't have to simplify shit because it's not complicated
>>104551142It's funny because no new reader will understand this without reading a wikipedia page.
>>104557454Alive, and a grown ass man.
>>104557573Compared to Hawman, Donna Troy, or the LSH, Psylocke’s backstory is a child’s bedtime story.
>>104557643Don't forget Cable, notable amongst Marvel characters.
This is why no one likes x-fags.
>>104557677Who gets even all the more confusing when you bring Rachel in. Seriously, Betsy can be caught up to speed in two words. Body swap. A common plot device.
>>104554699If this is true, then shouldn't we see loads of kwanon porn and kwanon love? >>104554601>>104554645But honestly, is this any crazier than say claremont or the 90's in general?>>104557252Eh, show me the 80's brittish ninja training montage first. This is kind of saturated. Batman. Daredevil. The Badger, ect, ect. I suspect you'd have it easier making Kwanon a psychic.
>>104551142singlehandedly sunk the Marvel/Netflix dynasty this Toxic fucker is dead for good after the next street level crossover.
>>104557827Not his fault, they absolutely half-assed the fuck out of his series.
>>104554699I like her because teen-me thought her psi-knife and shadow powers were the coolest shit. Sparked a series of Soulknife characters in D&D, that did.
The thing that gets me more than anything is the body swap was a long established part of the character, the way in which it been revised by Zub has made it inconsequential.
>>104558083It wasn't even in a major book or event about the character. It was in some shitty wolverine event tie in where she gets bopped and then wakes up british again.
>>104557252Even more racist. White Saviour trope. Appropriation. Reeeeee
>>104558123She built a new body molecule by molecule <garbage> and because of this Kwannon is suddenly occupying presumably the Japanese body. The ironic thing is in this case Kwannon is actually the 'body thief' that body isn't Kwannon's original body it's a replica created by Betsy's reality warping brother.
>>104558171isn't that body supposed to be immune to that kind of shit?
>>104558196The Kwannon replica body? It supposed to be but that trait got dropped along the way and was most recently seen to be affected by Proteus.
>>104558140>Only Asian people can practice kung-fu or karateDo people freak out when non-whites wrestle or box?
>>104551142I thought this was because the writer 's first Waifu was Brit Betsy and not becuase of the Cebulski used a Jappanese pen name?I'm a bit detached from the situation as I was already generally disinvested in marvel before this,besides preferring Asian Betsy, but I can't see this lasting, if its not a political agenda thing. Asian-locke is too iconic.They could try to reform Kwannon, and have her take the Psylocke name and place on the X-Men, but unless they put a lot of effort and time into that you'd get a rushed crao story that's meant to check boxes so marketing gets a Psylocke that looks iconic. And I really don't see fans of either Betsy being pleased with that.Or they could just fuck reality so Betsy retconned as being half japanese/half british. Or Adopted.Or more likely if it's not SJW complaining based, the next writer will contrive some way to get her back into Kwannon's body.I understand they left her keep the Psychic blades, right? Did they let her keep her Ninja skills? If so, then the only way this has a chance of sticking is if they put her back into the one-piece bathing suit and thigh-highs, may be make her hair a darker shade of purple and convince people the change is negligible at best(different facial features).
>>104558123So if we bring Martha Johannson there and bop her on the...em..brain, she gets a new body?
>>104558277It's not like they drew her Asian all the time, honestly.
>>104558277>Or more likely if it's not SJW complaining based, the next writer will contrive some way to get her back into Kwannon's body.This is what we want, the saga of the Siege Perilous is far from resolved.
>>104558302That's the artist fault, not a fault of the story or any problematiky problematic complication that doesn't exist.
>>104558347No, I mean, no problem with her getting her original body back, just that she wouldn't look that different if she dressed like she usually did. Everybody forgets that both her and Kwannon had their features merged during the swap.
>>104558123that's because they didn't want anyone too see in and have to answer for during convention season. it's barely even been referenced in X-Men, next week is Psylocke vs Angel so we'll see...
>>104557827Two things screwed him completely, the uncoupling of Luke cage and the destruction of Tibet. The could've still salvaged him with one losing but both makes him irrelevant
>>104558390>Kwannon had their features merged during the swap.This isn't what happened, I suspect from what you've read someone has misinterpreted X-Men Volume 1 #21.
Why not just retcon the past to make her Asian all along?
>>104558690What would be the point in doing that? It's almost as bad as making her British again.
>>104551142I miss when comics used to be allowed to have sexy womensjws/feminist/liberals really ruined this hobby for menot a single women is still allowed to be likeable or sexy. just angry, ugly men hating marie sues while all the men are constantly drawn shirtless and are overall pathetic losers that constantly get easily defeated by women, saved by women or simply just ordered around by women and are always shown to be in the wrong and the women in the right
>>104557504I think what a lot of fans want is to see characters grow. Most often, either reversions to the status quo or "shake-ups" are just reversions. When fans want to go back, it's usually because of something ridiculous, like OMD for Spider-man or the entirety of Avengers VS X-men. Comics don't offer growth, they offer cheap drama through character death or characters acting out of character. Every now and again you get a really nice comic that goes places like PAD's X-Factor or the 2012 X-men Legacy for Legion. These are two really great comics that end character arcs perfectly. They're also notable for having recently been completely undone with sub-par storytelling in this year alone.I think the worst part about all of this is when you've got lads who are excited about a return to status quos that already ran their course. Like Eddie becoming Venom again. Like, great, I like Eddie and I like Venom, but there's few stories to be told that don't already exist there. Or with how Juggernaut can never escape being a villain despite him having amazing runs as a hero. Then the worst kinds of folk are people who come out of the woodwork and accept shit like Betsy being british again like they've ever actually read any material about Psylocke.
>>104551150I thought the Asian assassin died years ago from the Legacy Virus or something.
>>104558711Better not let /co/ hear you say that.
>>104559017She did, was brought back in Betsy’s original body by Madelyne Pryor under her control and Betsy killed her again in a psychic battle
>>104558799For Cyclops that means what? Being a villain or being the perfect synthesis of Xavier's and Magneto's praxis, but that somehow making he the mutants' champion?
>>104558704>What would be the point in doing that?People think she's asian.
>>104558711Spoken like someone who doesn't actually read comics.
>>104558690Because it makes no sense that her brothers would be white British men.
You faggots are making !mountains out of molehills, and all because you're thinking with your dicks.
>>104558236Only white people, because they're usually getting outclassed by them.
Oh my god what happened to her heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaad?
>>104561032How many people actually remember that though?
>>104561058>because you're thinking with your dicks.Yeah that's typically the lowest common denominator to form a rebuttal with. Fact of the matter is some Psylocke fans like the fact she was a White woman in an Asian body for reasons that have nothing to do with cheesecake or inherently nothing to do with race.
>>104561075Yes yes and the egyptians were black we've heard all your autism before
>>104561112>How many people actually remember that though?It was literally a feature of an X comic this week.
>>104554591In the chainmail cloak and armor way anon.Kino costume.
>>104561154Because they had to remind people of the fact.
>>104561167Huh? There's no way they're going to retcon Psylocke to not be the sister of Captain Britain.
>>104561135Sure, yeah it's all about the rich history of twinky psylocke, and not because slanty-eyed wo!an make your peepee happy.
>>104561112They bring it up every few years, if it's not Brian canoeing in some x book, then it's Jamie showing up and messing around with his reality warping powers. Either way Betsy is always involved in those stories.
>>104561387Well what's reason is there to turn Psylocke back into a white woman? If she's most popular as an asian than lean into that.
>>104561414Than half sister or adopted sister or step-sister or you make them cousins because truthfully the braddock family history is so deep and complex that the idea that Brad and Betsy need to be twin brother and sister seem a nebulous one.
>>104557677Even more so, since he's a teenager now.
>>104561387Chaotic collaborative fiction of over 30 years of character development with the edges smoothed out and invigorated through the progression of the character's story being undone in the space of one ill conceived, rushed through and contrived sequence in an otherwise unrelated story.>Buh! Buh! Buh! It's all about your dick anon.
>>104561444>the braddock family history is so deep and complexIt really isn't.
Betsy isn’t being drawn by Jim Lee so I don’t want her as a ninja anymore
>>104561416Is there any real reason she should be Asian? No one outside comics cares about Psylocke, she' s not MCU levels of popular.
>>104561521>No one outside comics cares about PsylockeThis is /co/ anon people who come here generally care about comics and wish to discuss them.
>>104561521>Is there any real reason she should be Asian?Because it's what people known her as.>she' s not MCU levels of popular.Then why got rid of the one thing thay did make her somewhat popular?
>>104561589But to casuals they couldn't care less. It's just a change of design, not a big thing to fuss about.
>>104561668To the casual this whole situation is weird because they didn't know Psylocke used to be white. To the casual outsider this looks like a case of whitewashing.
>>104561709You are right, 100%.
>>104551142In essence the only way I could see this getting fixed is that both Betsy and Kwannon are both dieing and that the only way for them to be saved is that they have to recombine or else they'll both die. Kwannon sacrifices her mental being so that Betsy remains the dominant conscience. It really is a relatively simple fix and have over half a dozen events lined up to for it to fix itself. Pic unrelated
>>104560598Cyclops is the victim of Bendis just like anyone else. At least he went out like a true champion of his people. Like anything Bendis touched, it's really nigh-irredeemable at this point, though. There's just no undoing the damage he did to the X-men, but other writers seem intent on making the damage worse.
>>104552418X-men Children of the Atom help gamers love the Ninja Psylocke. MVC2 even got her more fame too.
>>104554647So much truth gone on deaf ears
>>104562526Depends what you mean by gay.
>>104551142What happened? What should I be mad about now?
>>104563081That we exist
>>104560512Can't they just make the Asian ninja girl be Psylocke and forget about Betsy Braddock? No one cares about some purple haired British bitch, we want our hot Asian ninja with psychic knives and a latex leotard.
>>104563081That X-fags still draw breath.Let's be honest here, this is just another example of x-fags bitching about shit that won't matter a few months down the road, like they do for every damn thing. Like always it's just a bunch of obnoxious morons looking for something to outraged about. Soon there'll be something else they'll be sperging about, something equally unimportant that they'll whip themselves into a frenzy over.
>>104563295Like always it's just a bunch of obnoxious morons looking for something to outraged [sic] about. - 4chan
>>104551255>never read Claremont>never read pre-90s comicsanyone who says she was better in the 90s has never read a comic with her from the 80s. Like fucking seriously she was a complex character in X-Men and Exalibur and Captain Britain
>>104563726She went from a real character to unitard constantly spouting “this is the focused totality of my telepathic powers”. At least when they turned her into coldblooded murderer in the 2000’s she finally got some characterization back.
>>104563773I miss cold-blooded murderer Psylocke.
>>104563295Just because a comic story will be undone in a year or two doesn't mean I want to stick around and watch in burn in the meantime.
>>104563773>Brit lock>Real character you fags are adorable
>>104557731Cable, Rachel, Nate, Dark Beast, even Hope....Well, at least they're getting rid of O5.On the other hand Kang/Immortus/Rama-Tut/Iron Lad might be most complicated to normies.
>>104564060To be blunt, outside of very rare extreme cases I don't think any character is too weird for normies because they're complicated backstories are not always going to be relevant to the story at hand.
>>104556728They're not my favourite but what did they do with them?
British Psylock was a wholesome girl that wanted some /ss/. Asian Psylock is a slut that fucked a clone of Cable just because.
>>104553638Most of the time you can't even tell she's supposed to be Asian. She isn't shaped different. Her hair is hardly darker. And if you're arguing solely on the costume she hasn't been wearing that for years before "becoming british again" either.
>>104564938British Psylocke wanted to become Asian Psylocke. Asian Psylocke came from her wanting to become a warrior
>>104566741That’s because the body isn’t completely Asian, it’s a mix. And while she hasn’t been wearing the 90’s outfit in years, a lot of her outfits had become similar enough to be recognizable, adding legs to it. Only real full on change in outfit was when she wore the outfit from volume 2 of Uncanny X-Force from post-AvX til Secret Wars
>>104562476Bendis didn't do much in his X-Men. It was a massive big pile of nothing happened, his new kids were also forgettable shitThe problem is the Raven-Charles retcon but that's it. The damage was more on the potential. Bendis got Uncanny in the highest and most hyped point (post avx consequences) in years, and he managed to drop the ball