>People say the gems could be killed by humans with firearms>Pearl and Peridot have stated their powers and shapeshifting function through mass energy conversion. >doing a good chunk of the shit gems like Garnet and Amethyst do in the show would mean that energy output would be HUGE. applying to this to their "bodies" and thus their gems means they are more than durable enough to tank any amount of firearms used on them.>Also Garnet can withstand the pressure and radiation of being in the core of a star.
But I can kill them with my peanus weanus
>>104548466Who cares, the show is shit./thread
>>104548466No one cares. Everyone has already moved onto She-Ra, the new lesbian show
>>104548485>She-Ra>lesbianIt is completely and utterly sexless.
Obviously Garnet would be the hardest to kill, but that's only because her gems are so difficult to locate.>>104548485>muh lesbeensFuck off, at least this show has real heteros too.
>>104548466Except Amathest's gem was damaged by a simple fall, which means the gems are not nearly as durable as you think they are
>>104548466Didn't Amethyst's gem crack just from a fall off a cliff? Most any gun or any industrial tool will apply just as much blunt force trauma as terminal velocity would, and then some. It wouldn't even be difficult to match that kind of force.If it can be cracked, it can be shattered. Or at least broken into several pieces.
>>104548479>I lost the argument already but want to save face by acting like no one cares.
Two or three burts into any of their gems and they're dead
>>104548509>>104548513except that was a total of one instance whereas Amethyst has endured far greater shit MULTIPLE times in the show.jesus fuck you are all idiots.
>>104548479>he actually /thread/ed himself
>>104548529The most lethal weapon Bismuth could fathom and design that totally shatters gems is a glorified jackhammer, dude. It's pretty clear that simple blunt stress is still enough to break these gems.
why has no one asked at a convention how much each of the crystal gems can bench?
>>104548556>my cherrypicks totally shit on the numerous other instances in the show that counter my picks guys no really!
>>104548556since the thrust of impact is delivered through some magical means, there's no way of telling how much force it actually puts out
>>104548477Worked for Steven's Dad.
>>104548582>major plot points as examples is cherrypickingYou’re dumb.
>>104548582>cherrypicks totally shit on the numerous other instances in the show that counter my picks guyJust means the shit show has inconsistent writing.
>>104548582Amyethst's gem cracked from landing on a rock, Eyeball's gem cracked from a asteroid, Lapis' gem cracked from accidently being stepped on.You're telling me guns can't take care of these lesbians?
>>104548642Actually it means objects are broken more easily based on the shape of the thing impacting it. That's why the breaking point was even a thing. The ultra sharp tip and thick base makes shattering easier than with a bullet.
>>104548598first off Bismuth's weapon has never even been tested on a Diamond so it hasnt even been proven to work, just an assumption on her part. Hell is never even been implied to be used on a gem before.
>>104548655Amethyst was plot to show the effects of a cracked gem, Eyeball was hit by an asteroid while atop a bubble that was moving at speeds fast enough to easily escape the moon gravitational pull which is 2.4km per second or a about 5.3k miles per hour.and a gem stepped on Lapis. which Pearl, a physically weak as fuck Gem can crack a huge boulder as big as her and many times thicker in two with a casual annoyed kick.dumbass.
>>104548466How fucking powerful is a destabiliser since it can forcibly dissipate an energy being?
>>104548479>/threading your own post
>>104548808>Amethyst was plot to show the effects of a cracked gem,You can't say a show has consistent and realistic physics, and in the same post say that something inconsistent can happen in an episode because the plot needs it to happen.
>>104548904yes....its called plot convenience.
>>104548509>falls off a high cliff that is at least a few hundred ft up>a simple fall
>>104548466Actually, the function of their powers would only dictate the durability of their projected forms. The core gem's durability has nothing to do with that, much like any emitting device's durability has nothing to do with the signal it emits.They're different factors. Not to say their gems are as fragile as normal jewels, though much like normal jewels it's likely that the durability is dependent on the individual. As for surviving being under great pressure in the center of a star, if the pressure was uniform (as it is in the center of a star) then of course it can't break the gem, compression force=/=impact force. End of the day though it's a cartoon so it's best not to take these things too seriously.
>>104548520you cant lose an argument that you were never apart of in the first place, drone
>>104548556Like any gem is going to let some random whith a jack hammer anywhere near them and I want to see you walk up to Jasper and try
>>104548904I enjoy the fact you completely ignored the other two events to focuson the only one that you can twist to bolster your own side.
>>104549196I mean obviously its a cartoon but its still fun to just waste some time and speculate on all this in the kind of nerdy fashion.and sorry Im not at all versed on forces and physics but how would it being uniform and compression force equate to not breaking the gem?
everyone here is an idiot. including, nay, especially, OP.of course a gun can kill a gem. if it hits the gem IN the gem. hard, but not impossible.hell, a gun would probably pop a weaker gem's form easily enough as well.the whole man vs. gems thing is stupid because ONE lapis could kill all of mankind. combat gems suck against militarized humans because they aren't designed to FIGHT humans. that's what the pest control gems are for.
>>104549318Explain to me how Amethyst can cleanly slice through even a common dumpster with her whip casually and can withstand the same force needed do that but would pop from gunfire.
>>104549219Bitch got killed by a random piece of metal, she's not as dangerous as you think she is
>>104548466Do Humans even have firearms in Steven Universe cause technically speaking Steven Universe takes place in a alternate timeline where the gems presence completely changed the course of not only human history but the geography of the world
>>104549774There's definitely firearms as a shotgun has been shown twice in the show
>>104548466You can shoot in their exposed gems to shatter them.
>>104548529Except no she hasn't, falling on a rock from that height WILL damage at least certain gems and so would a direct bullet
>>104549774no, they have lanterns instead>>104549352she might be the equivalent to a supersoldier from a human's point of view, but she is far from invulnerableif a bad fall can crack her gem, a man with a sledgehammer would probably do it tooalso, gems are specially weak against puncture damage (pearl got impaled by a sword and died, malachite by an arrow, jasper by a metal bar moving at slightly fast speed)also you conviniently ignore the entire episode where amethyst dies to the same monster 3-4 times, proving that having above average human abilities isn't enough to save her from being a retard
Gems seem kinda like balloons, once you break the skin deep enough or squeeze it hard enough it'll just pop unlike a natural body
>>104548479/thread'ing your own post
>>104549065It means that terminal velocity is enough to damage the gems, a well but bullet can do the trick.
>>104548479>threading yourselfLurk more before you post, newfag.
>>104548477Only if they want it.
>>104548466>Blah blah blah blahGoing by 80s cartoon logic, humans would have lightning guns that work like lame destabilisers.
>>104549832all three of those punctures were done by, Holo Pearl, fucking Alexandrite, and Peridot.the same monster argument doesnt hold much since that only means its around as strong as the gems.
>>104549822except yes she has you dense fuck.
>>104548662>First post>Actually the secondWhat did he mean by this?
>>104548819>no spurdo Ricardo edit>not spurdo Ricardo beating girl pepe with la chancla
>>104548529>>104548582>>104548590>>104549219you guys are dumb or need to watch better shows
Sadie poofs a gem monster with a sharpened stick, I'm pretty sure a gun could do them in.
>>104551392Hell I'm pretty new here myself and I know better than to /thread myself. It makes the guy look like an immense faggot.
>>104548466shut the fuck up faggot.
>>104554909would the covenant be able to fend off a gem invasion?
>>104552374Give me an example, Amethyst's gem has NEVER been damaged again after that point. The other times her form has been damaged, e.g. squeezed by a corrupted gem and headbutted by Jasper (which btw both instantly poofed her, the former multiple times), wasn't nearly as damaging as falling from that height directly on her gem.SUfags don't even know their own show it's fucking embarrassing
>>104554941watch them try to dispute the things shown in the actual show, lol.
Who will win /co/?
>>104555006Why compare a good saga with a autist saga?
>>104555039im not sure which one youre talking about. theyre both pretty fucking autistic. come to think of it, these two series are prefect matches for eachother.
>>104555006mmm look at that Garnet proportions, you can instantly tell it's from S1what has happened to this show
>>104554935>tiny empire of rock people>giant empire with spaceships that melt rocki dont know, you tell me.
>>104548466Unless corrupted gems are much weaker than regular gems in turns of durability, this theory is false. We've seen time and time again the corrupted gems get poofed by much weaker objects than bullets, even a stick from Sadie.I really doubt the hollow Pearl swords that poofed Pearl were anything special either.
>>104555051If you say so...
>>104555051you know, the events match up too. >WD is pretty much worshiped like a god>other diamonds are beneath her and rule the other sections of HW>rose pretty much had their version of the horus heresy>HW has been in decline ever sinceis someone on the SU team a 40k fag?
>>104548466They poof quite easily though even without guns. First poof, then isolate the gem in a thick platinum or other iron box. Done.Otherwise there are scientific ways to deconstruct gemstones too
>>104555116>>104555124Shit now I'm wondering what kind of show SU would've been if they'd landed on Dragon Ball Earth.
>>104548466All you need to poof a gem is disrupt their form. It's such an easy concept to understand, they can take a crap ton of brunt force but as soon as something pierces their body they will dissipate. A bullet would most likely be more than enough. Amethyst should have brought Vidalia's shotgun with her to her rematch with Jasper.
>>104555299>frieza sends the sayians to destroy and enslave HW>only the CGs survive because they were on earth>years later gems are sent to earth to conquer it by frieza
Since we’re having another “Gems vs. Humans” thread, how well would the Colonial Marines in full force be able to hold out against the Gem Empire defensively?
>>104555367Ehhhh I'm willing to believe there's more of a cordial agreement between HW and the PTO. Like Frieza lets them drain worlds in his sector only so they can give him like, 90% of the Gems as warriors. A warrior that just gets poof'd and doesn't die is pretty useful, plus they can breathe in space.If anything Pink's story changes a bit from her just wanting to save the wildlife to her also wanting to overthrow the tyrant Frieza for exploiting her people.Also there'd be many funny moments.>Roshi pervin' on the Gems only to get constantly knocked into the air by Garnet.>Bulma and Pearl constantly arguing over stuff.>KAMI house is literally on an island that's like right in front of the Crystal Gem's house.>Amethyst, Oolong, Puar adventures.>The CG"s mistaking the Dragon Ball's for a Gem and arguing about who drew stars on it.
>>104555471i mean, there probably would have been an agreement, but knowing frieza he'd probably just blow up HW for shits and giggles and put the rest of them to work. by the time rose would get the chance to rebel against frieza it would probably be revealed that most of them were blown up.
>>104555299i dont know why, but that just popped the idea of the gems landing on the elder scrolls earth.
>>104555666theyd get fucking massacred.
>>104555666>Dragonborn taking on the Gem invadersThat might actually get me to give money to Todd again.
>>104555713>the gems during a dragon invasionjust imagining that makes me kek
>>104549205When you reply you're a part of it Double-Thinker.
>>104548466>screeches at Yellow and punches glass because she couldn't get a colony>gets a colony>underappreciates itungrateful bitch
>>104555713that would be like hulk hogan beating up toddlers
Could the Gem Empire handle the Reapers?
>>104555078true. the UNSC could probably handle them. the flood however would be a very interesting match up.
>>104556337>the flood infecting a human-gem hybridunlimited biomass. its pretty much game over from there
>>104556162>1.an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.what was my claim?
>>104548466> ignoring the one time pearl was easily poofed by a single sword stab
>>104548479Well said bud but there be to many faggots on /co/ who will be emotionally upset.
>>104556319They can't even handle the dick.
>>104555299I imagine ki attacks would be hilariously ineffective but they would poof from prolonged physical damage.
>>104548466>falls on a rock>breaks gemWow, such and durability, very unbreakable!
>>104556266pearls are not glass as far as we know
>>104548466>how do you shatter a gem?Anyway you want. They're not real.
>>104555006Space marines are stupid op and have what is basically a high fire rate rocket launcher.Gems can take a lot of abuse but she will poof after a few bolts
>>104556598A sword stab from something that was able to cut a tree in half with a balloon sword.
>>104548466I've seen a village literally razed to the ground through sustained machine gun fire. Guns can do it. Just use more gun.
>>104555006*Blocks your path*
>>104557578>Blood RavensBOLT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.
>>104557527peridot poofed the perfect quartz with a stick
Amethysts fall that cracked her gem, was about 40,000 joules of energy. Which takes a 20mm anti tank rifle to equal.Poofing a gem is easy. Killing them would require heavy weapons or industrial tools.
>>104548466We're shown multiple times that puncturing a Gem's form is by far the easiest way to poof them.Gun happen to be, you know, piercing weapons.I see very little reason why a shotgun wouldn't poof all but the strongest of gems, especially if things as simple as swords can do just that.As for destroying the gem, you could probably crush it with fairly standard industrial equipment.
>>104548466>amethyst gets cracked just from falling off a cliff>but garnet supposedly can survive inside the core of a fucking starRegardless the one thing that remains somewhat consistent is that their forms are highly defenseless against puncture damage, something a modern bullet does more than well in. Pearls hologram thing just stabbed her with a spear and she poofed completely, maybe destroying the gem itself is a little difficult but to destroy the form it takes on is almost always easy as shit assuming you have proper firepower to do it with.
>>104555687>>104555666IIRC, one of the moons in ES is filled with a really powerful magical substance (i forget the name). so if someone were to steal a spaceship and go there they could get some really powerful magic stuff
>>104557527connie,a 12 year old girl has trained with the holo pearls, you could tell there was almost no force in that stab
>>104558530>but garnet supposedly can survive inside the core of a fucking star???where did you hear thisshe can go in lava, not in a star unless there is some retarded comic I'm not aware of that says otherwise or something
>>104558638It’s what OP said. Assuming that is somehow correct then this just became nu Star Wars tier where there is no logic or consistency whatsoever. Regardless Connie, a little girl, has no issue whatsoever in fighting various gem like beings and even besting them unless it’s some fuckhuge one that requires everyone all at once to deal with, and if said little girl can do so well with just a sword then even a 9mm bullet would have no issues tearing their forms to shreds, let alone even more powerful rounds. Not to mention gems becoming more and more incompetent as time goes on and even weaker.
>>104558695oh shut up you whiny faggot. SU is more powerful than any of your shitty sci-fis and youre just butthurt.
>>104560186stay mad faggot. SU is stronger.
>>104552269"only if they want it"
>>104554029He is samefagging and he is lashing out at a world that no one, not even himself, wanted him to be in it.
>>104555006Does acid dissolve sapphire or ruby?
>>104558294Oh and have you done the math on her fall?
>shit show>shit thread
>>104560868and you have? i can smash an amethyst with a hammer, and that fall was nowhere near long enough to warrent that kind of energy. its very clear you only want to sound smart.
Low-rankers can't even take on a spear. Once they're poofed you can just bang on them with a rock until they're cracked.But it's one of those "they could nuke you from orbit without giving you a target" deals. The only reason they did ground battle during the war is because they wanted the land more than they wanted victory.
>>104560868Dude, it's literally just m*h*g, so just ballpark the height and knock of 30% or so for air resistenceOr if if it's supper high, just assume she's going about half terminal velocity (but would definitely be going faster than that), about 26*26*62.You clearly underestimate the effects of gravity. That said the bullet doesn't work by sheer Newton-meters (if so then it'd damage the shooter more than the shot), they work by concentrating all the energy in a small area.
Can you imagine.
>>104561351No. That's why I'm browsing 4channel. I repeat old memes and absorb new one when I forget the oldest one.
>>104560844Yes. They are made of corundum which is aluminum oxide.
>>104555463The problem is we don't really know the full strength of the Gempire in the slightest.
>>104548466>applying the law of thermodynamics to anything fictionalWanna explain to me where Static Shock gets his electricity powers? Also why doesn’t the Thing need to consume in insame amount of calories to maintain his body? What is adamantium, how does it replace bones in mammals, and why does it not make Wolverine die from lack of rbcs?
if ruby and sapphire are both conundrums and they're different classes of gem, why aren't amythest and jasper different classes of gems if they're both quartzes?
>>104562231reality does not limit fictionyou can only use reality to fill the gaps in fiction
>>104562239Because Quartz is a category of gem suited to be shock troops. Amethysts seem to be grunts and brutes while Jaspers were made one Earth because the materials needed to make them were abundant there but are of a superior status. Rose quartz are probably also used defensive utility units due to the fact pd disguised herself as one so we know they exist and have can have special powers.
>>104555666Beach city belongs to the humans!
>>104562318There is nothing to support that Jaspers are of superior class to Amythests, aside from The Perfect Quartz. If there was that big of a difference she'd be called The Perfect Jasper
>>104548466>Amethyst literally cracks her gem on a rock
>>104548477Given the number of lonely soldiers and soldiers who want to marry anythign with tits to get out of the barracks, I think we could wipe out the gem race in a month.
>>104548466>>104558369>As for destroying the gem, you could probably crush it with fairly standard industrial equipment.The superweapon one of the gems makes for shattering enemies, that was considered basically a war crime, is a shittier, arm mounted version of a jackhammer.Humanity would lose in one to one or ship to ship combat, but army versus army is completely in humanities favor.
Ballistic and blunt weapons are undoubtedly lethal to the gems, but if you're shooting at them with bullets, the tricky part is accuracy, as only their crystal cores are vulnerable to it. Hammers and swords should deal with them well enough, though.Particle weapons, on the other hand, gems would have no issue shrugging off (unless they were specifically designed to destabilize their hard-light matrices, like what Jasper used at one point to poof Garnet, but this is a special case).Also, SU may be a shit show with shit consistency, but I still find the gems as a concept for an advanced alien species intriguing. I wish more people would pay attention to the cool and interesting parts of a show instead of throwing it in the same garbage bin as the shitty parts.
>all he IRL counterparts to he gems in the series form from natural geologic processes such as volcanism or precipitation >except for pearls which form inside oysters and scallops as the result of sand grains becoming trapped in their membranesAm I the only one bugged by this?
>>104563496Might explain why Pearls are treated as the servile class, given the gems' disdain for organic life.
>>104561168But then you have to factor in that it's not that Amethyst hit her gem on a flat surface, but on one of the points of the rock, which similarly concentrates the force.
>>104548466Then one was killed by a fat midget with a stick.
>>104563507They're servile because its their role. Everyone is drone without purpose other than what they were literally made to do. There's no disdain, it's just what they are.
>>104563334>Also, SU may be a shit show with shit consistency, but I still find the gems as a concept for an advanced alien species intriguing. I wish more people would pay attention to the cool and interesting parts of a show instead of throwing it in the same garbage bin as the shitty parts.I blame Sugar's staff and her ability to manage them. It's clear that the lion's share of the world building and lore of the show comes from Sugar herself, and much of it from things she outlined early in the design process. But her skills as a manager of people seem a bit weaker, given how much she puts up with in terms of the lack of consistency in character models. Look at this shot from Three Gems and a baby, storyboarded by Lamar Abrams and Katie Mitroff. This shit is unacceptable. Or at least it should be, if it wasn't for the fact that Sugar accepted it. I don't know if she thinks it's okay, or is too afraid of confrontation to actually criticize someone's work, but my gut says it's the second one, given how she comes across in interviews.
>>104561168reminder that we don't know how much she actually weighs, gems are hard light and you can't just assume that because she's a fat midget she'd weigh as much as one of ours
>>104548520>>104556162sounds like you're upset that anon doesn't like a show
>>104548479/thread kid's got a point.
>>104556614Because you all still come back to every fucking thread to talk about the show. This board is possibly the worst I have ever seen at 'hating' something. Even fans constantly call the show 'shit', as they drool over any new trailers or episodes. You don't see how that's fucking annoying? Watching a bunch of people act like stuck up 12 year olds too disingenuous to admit they like something? Over an 11-minute cartoon?I've never seen anything like it before.
>>10456223>StaticThey explained that in the show and comics. His body naturally produces it based on converting electrolytes into a bio-electric field and vice versa. So a gallon of Gatorade and bed rest charges him in the same way he leeches electricity from other objects.>The ThingAssuming Ben Grimm and not the John Carpenter monster, he doesn't actually need to eat. Its dumb but similar to Mr. Fantastic, his body is a perpetual energy machine, making its own energy by existing. He eats mostly because he likes food and its one of the few senses that hasn't been dulled since his transformation. Without the wish magic that Sue/Richard used to "just work" it, an older story showed he gained energy from the cosmic rays embedded in his body but they have a near infinite half life so he isn't running out of juice soon.>Adamantium/Snikt BubFictional metal true but its supposed to be hyper dense meteoric ore that has super fine molecular edges that allow it to bond or cut most things (sans reinforced/Antarctic vibranium and hybrid alloys of Adamantium). It doesn't replace bones but bonds with them on a molecular level. Its been hit and miss but sometimes Wolverine's body regenerates the metal since its now part of his molecular structure and other times he doesn't so when the adamantium is broken/ripped out, then he just grows normal bone to replace it. Wolvie also doesn't die from lack of Red Blood Cells because of his body being able to go into cellular stasis like a reptile when in hyper critical condition and his body producing cells at an incredible rate. Funny enough its also why he eats and drinks so much for a manlet. His body treats the alcohol as sugar (carbs) and the protein he gains from food helps kick-start his bullshit metabolism/healing factor.To be fair a lot of Marvel's heroes run 10%-20 real science and the rest is utter bullshit. You may not like it but they do at least try to explain it in the comics.
>>104564651 meant for >>104562231