Has it changed how you perceive the characters or the story?
>>104537957I really love how the plot is so simple in cartoon and comics, but they extend it so much that it looks complex.Prove me fucking wrong, OTGW is very overrated and you know it.
Remember to support the author by buying the official version.
>>104538843It isn't very complex... but many anons have problems interpreting it.
>>104538851>Remember to support the author by buying the official version.Really, fuck you, i'm not going to buy something that uses it as toilet paper later
>>104538880>Really, fuck you, i'm not going to buy something that uses it as toilet paper laterWell you can leave if you don't like these comics.
>>104538977To be continued.
>>104540026Sorry I needed to cook
>>104537957Did anyone actually rip it properly yet?
>>104537957In any case is good?
>>104541147It's freaking good
>>104541087nope, but it's better this way, the book is very cheap and McHale isn't rich
>>104537957No and it shoulnt.
>>104538843OTGW is not overrated, Gravity Falls in the other hand is overrated as fuck
>>104541667Where's Clarence's house?
>>104537957I like that this one actually focused on the MC's the whole way. The last two have been kind of a letdown because of the garbage-ass B-stories, but this one was really nice, gonna pick up a copy when I get paid.
>>104541147It was wonderful
>>104542878Clarence is just part of the imagination of one of the main kids.
>>104542905Yeah, I like to see the main group reunited again, Sara wasn't a good replacement for Beatrice. Besides it feels like there is much more exploration for the characters in this version.
>>104545778>Wirt taking care of the little boy
>>104545829>Birdie apparently fantasying about a romance.
>>104545886>Be careful if you are sleeping in the same room with a bird.
>>104538899That face KEK
>>104546055>We need to look for something to eat>She is the only one hungrySo realistic don't you think? It almost remember me to my wife, women are just like this.
>>104545988>Wild skeleton girl appears in your window, to be honest that can be a little creepy in real life.
>>104546133>Angry bird dislike the competence.
>>104546149>Brown Girl tries to establish a dominant position over bluebird. I don't know how am I suppose to interpret "I think so".
>>104546198She's a negress? I thought those were gloves.
>>104546619She is the diverse character in this show. I don't know why the author chose to paint her face of white.
>>104546766Sorry, my shit internet was giving me problems.
>>104547017This little fella is very brave. He is gonna be a hell of man.
>>104547366>When your bird girlfriend catch you cheating her.
>>104547388I like how they keep alive the misunderstand.
>>104547434>We don't want nothing, son close the door!Again... it's so realistic.The song has a secret meaning but I don't want to spoil it.
>>104547473I don't know if the little boy is very innocent or simply very dumb.
>>104547485>And our favorite soap opera continue...
>>104547501>I-I don't care about it
>>104547529>I have right to be happy too.>Good grief what a marital fightI'm not sure if she confessed that she was jealous because she thinks that he doesn't care about it or she is simply jealous of him having a normal life. If someone want to help me to understand it I would be very happy.
>>104547578This scene is a little hard to understand for me.
>>104547600Our good guy was simply laying on his bed, but he appears in the house of his romantic interest really fast... I don't know if this is suppose to be her nightmare or his good dream.
when are we ever going to get official art of sara without her halloween costume on
>>104547727You can see her without her disguise in the comics 2017 but these comics aren't very good because the author didn't work in them and they aren't canon. You will never watch her without disguise from the hand of the original author, she is supposed to be a person with a disguise, someone who Wirt doesn't know, he is in love with the idea of her not of her as a person. The disguise is a symbolism of it.Basically she is someone different what Wirt thinks of her.
>>104547808>You never took off your skeleton makeup>Do you like it?>She never took off her disguise and he likes it.
>>104547838>Because he is in love with the fantasy not the real thing.
>>104548081>smart bird has a good idea but...
>>104548090Chekov's Bird successfully ignored
>>104548115>It's not you... it's me.
>>104548118Ah an anon of culture. I will investigate about it later.
>>104548143that's a golden reaction image
>>104548143I ask myself if this story was written thinking in a sequel like story, I can easily imagine this setting as the real world thing... except after this point.
>>104548160I know right!
>>104548143>tfw you never progressed past this stage in your younger romantic formative years
>>104548143>when you're so beta you reject yourself
>>104548186Well teenagers often enjoy the "quest" but it's not weird if they don't want the reward. I ask myself if McHale was inspired by this behavior.
>>104548193>Gasp* JASON IS HERE, HIDE YOUR SISTERS!
>>104541489What is Greg saying in the upper right?
>>104548227"I'm ok, I'm with Wirt-boat" or something like that.
>>104548231I like how detailed McHale can be, this page is deeper than it seems.
>>104548198It's more like he rejects her because he considers her "too high" for him or he has another thing on mind and he cares more about that thing than his crush.
>>104548270>Fight for me bitches, (I'm looking to you Wirt)
>>104548298>Innocent Greg isn't so innocent anymore, he knows about her...tastes...
>>104548314>Meanwhile Goku and Freezer kept fighting.
>>104548325Does anyone know why Sara is accompanied by two girls to the platform?
>>104548350>Not the damn knee!
>>104548355>Even when he is the strongest man he is so sensible that he can cry in public... isn't the complete package?
>>104548366I like how the author managed to represent the real world like something even more unrealistic than The Unknown (I remember that someone mentioned this idea long time ago in a theory), even with the dream like idea it's weird how the real world is showed to us in such lunatic way. I don't know why he doesn't care about it despite it is supposed to be his big fantasy.
>>104548410The whole scene is like some kind of play.
>>104548420>She really can't allow to another woman to have his first kiss, isn't she?"She isn't real" it's a phrase with at least two layers of interpretation.
>>104548460>That's right I'm beautiful now get away from that N-
>>104548496The last page was written looking for a contrast.
>>104548512Stupid of me... I'm mean Reclaimed
>>104546871>that fucking carpetNice touch.
>>104548551>Isn't she a homewrecker?
>>104547556I think she really just wants to go home, at least at this part.
>>104547795Holy shit dude chill out with the metaphors, we know Wirt goes to school with her and knows her and Funderburker from there. He knows the "real" her too.
>>104548631>He is about to confess his new crush but adorable Greg must to intervene to keep it family friendly.
>>104548333its a court of love, based on old laws of chivalry from medieval Occitan.
>>104548680Oh that's very interesting my friend. Thank you for share that information with me... court of love? Was that really a thing?>>104548681>Remember: FAMILY FRIENDLY
>>104548698There is a lost page before of this one, but It's basically more Naked Wirt.
>>104548252why, because of the three representations of the girls? its not *that* deep
>>104548725Nope, there is something else.
>>104548719>There is nothing healthier than flirt with your bird friend.
>>104548742>>104548725The hilts are Beatrice
>>104548763or at least the sword Wirt chooses is.
>>104538880Why? I don't want single issues I want a graphic novel. I'll wait for the collection.
>>104548751>It was all about you the whole time.There is a reference to McHale's movie in this page but I don't wanna spoil it. It seems like McHale thought that movie as a sequel of Over The Garden Wall even when he will most likely use other characters because the copyrights. I don't know if Beatrice reactions is because she misinterprets Wirt's dream or if he really had a inadequate dream about her.
>>104548763>>104548769Yeah, Wirt's OTP is in that page.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHERW5GT_TkThanks OPHOW THE GENTLE WIND
>>104548861Don't worry anon, I just wanted talk about OTGW
>>104548873Remember to support McHale's by buying the original version so we can keep getting more great material instead of Dreamland boring comics.
>>104548641Hey it's not my work neither my metaphors, McHale made that thing, I'm just analyzing his work.
>>104548193>License plate says “Total Package”. Nice.
Well anons now that you have read the new graphic novel... would you kindly to share your opinions about my original question: >Has it changed how you perceive the characters or the story?
>>104548936KEK good detail. Great eye anon.
>>104548231>>104548252sorta reminds me of when Rolf and Eddy fought
>>104548939Not really, but it was an enjoyable read. Beatrice thinking Sara spent the night in Wirt’s bed was funny though. Greg’s pure innocence is something I’ll never get tired of.
Neat little detail, between >>104548366 and >>104548496 we shift out of the real world and back to the unknown as Beatrice convinces Wirt that he’s dreaming. In a larger scale this is also a dream within a dream.
>>104548867>>104548873I get the moon phase and the turtle being on the mystery board, but what about the bird? Beatrice is hardly a mystery at this point.
>>104547556Jeez, Beatrice it hasn't even been a full day. Let people sleep.
>>104548957My memory isn't what it used to be but I think that the half of the planet was destroyed, right?
>>104538876>>104538942>Beatrice never got fed and nearly became food herself.
>>104549092I can't see the other references. But the one about Beatrice is very obvious. Beatrice + ? it's basically a ship tease Beatrice + ? is the same than Beatrice x ? the concrete answer is Beatrice x Wirt but the author doesn't want to say it directly just like he has avoided to say it directly... bluntly during the rest of the book.
>>104549154Poor woman, it wasn't enough to be ignored by her romantic interest.
>>104549094This guy is REALLY cute when he says "Shoo". I think that he is supposed to be 5 years old but he looks like a baby.
>>104548939Nope, but I do wish we could get this animated, was a great little story.
>>104549044I think that the idea is to portray the real world as the fake world and The Unknown as the real world. Remember that episode 9 correspond to the floor of the Inferno "Fraud" and McHale uses the disguises of halloween as a way to represent that people never show how they really are.In a weird twist in this story Beatrice is representing the Reality while Sara is representing the Fantasy.
>>104546198I wonder why it seems like she hates so much to be petting by Sara
>>104549270Because it's degrading.
>>104549092Then the thing about the moon is... why is it always like a half-moon right? the thing to its right is a minuter, right? The turtles were never explained directly in the show but the secret behind them is "The Death is wearing a turtle disguise".
>>104549176During the show the moon was always in the same half full phase and little black turtles would show up here and there. The cone could also be a reference to Wirt’s hat I guess.
>>104549330Huh... when I said "I can't see the other reference" I pretended to say that I literally was unable of see them in the image, but I used zoom and I can see them now. The explanation is here >>104549326Huh... I'm really sorry for the misunderstanding anon.
>>104549330What do you think is the meaning behind the moon stuff?
Am I the only one who thought it was shallow as fuck?>It was all a dream loland everything else basically meant that nothing mattered at all and we just wasted time reading about a made up story which didn't alter the relationship between any of the main characters unless you count "yeah I saw your dream lol" as development. Overall it just felt like a big waste of time
>>104549430>we just wasted time reading about a made up storyHow can this bother you? It was a lovely lie after all.
>>104549430I didn't wish for a change in status quo, since the original show finished airing 4 years ago and already gave these characters closure, so no, I don't know that feel.
>>104549502So what you just wanted to see Wirt be an asshole to Beatrice? Greg and his funny frog LOL SO FUNNY!! They could've at least expanded upon some side characters or some parts of the unknown we didn't get to explore in the show, this adds nothing and doesn't feel like nothing. And btw>the show already gave these characters closureit didn't, they just got out of the unknown, the ending doesn't tell us anything about what they want to do and if they feel like anything changed inside of them. Thinking back, this show wasn't all that great, was it?
>>104549497>>104549430I'm confused anon... Beatrice gives a lot of damn for him, even Greg says it, she likes Wirt romantically. This story is used mainly to leave it clear that there is supposed to be a romantic relationship between Wirt and Beatrice and in fact Wirt prefers Beatrice over Sara, and talking about Sara it leaves us a good impression about the intentions of the author about this character and the disguise that he designed for her.
>>104549540So you just wanted DEEP LORE?
>>104549596We know Beatrice likes Wirt, I don't even care about that honestly, but this comic doesn't expand upon it. Beatrice is just jealous for some reason even though she never even gave him a reason to feel like she could think more of him than just a friend, and he didn't either, even more so here where he would've just fucked the living shit out of Sara if it weren't for beatrice. And at the and of the comic the status quo is restored, as if nothing ever happened. >>104549606I wanted to feel engaged and appreciate something which took time out of my day to read, and all I got was..... nothing. A fanfic, if you will, but even then a fanfic wouldn't have ended with it was all dream get fucked.Also I don't give a damn about OtGW lore, I can't even remember the side characters really, I was just suggesting that they could've done anything else BUT this
>>104549540I'm gonna explain you what changed thanks to this comic. I'm gonna be honest most part of the book is about Wirt's two romantic interest and his indecision to choose one. The guy literally chosen Beatrice who is the real one between a conflict that McHale commented long time ago in an interview "Who is fantasy and who is reality?" Beatrice is Reality while ironically Sara is Fantasy. In this comic Wirt is interrupted everytime that he tries to "get closer" to Beatrice so we know that in "For Sara" Wirt is in fact talking about Beatrice when he tries to mention the name of the girl to who he dedicated the tape "My dear, my dear, my dear-". And the implications behind Sara's character used in this story are very interesting (if you know what I mean). This book in fact added a lot of things to the original story that used to be only speculative or implied.I don't wanna to give it for sure but there is a chance that the conclusion about the characters is probably the next McHale's movie.
>>104549664Yes I actually thought that was the case, the point, like you said, is the closure, which just wasn't there. I hope you're right with the movie part
>>104549365Part of it shows that time isn't working correctly, every time we see the moon it's in either a first quarter or last quarter phase. But it could also be a take on the glass half full or half empty metaphor, with Greg being the optimist and Wirt being the pessimist. Going into more wishy-washy psychic moon power theory, a first quarter moon is associated with a period of strength, determination, concentration, decision-making or re-evaluation, and commitment to action, the start of our character's journey into the unknown. A last quarter moon is associated with a calm, contemplative time of introspection, reflection & re-evaluation for the future, as our characters finish their time spent in the unknown. We don't know whether it's a first quarter or last quarter moon though, since we don't see it get brighter or dimmer.
>>104549626>Beatrice is just jealous for some reason even though she never even gave him a reason to feel like she could think more of him than just a friendBeatrice and Wirt's relationship is full of romantic cliches, the writing is incredibly good but it was constructed using cliches. Imagine them as Star vs's characters, Beatrice is Star, Wirt is Marco and Sara is Jackey, Wirt has a hollow and cheap crush in Sara but it's bounded to lost against the best friend Beatrice. So simple like that. Beatrice is jealous because both she and Wirt have romantic feelings for each other but they are kinda like passive (another cliche). This story is used like a transitory step in which Wirt makes his election inclining himself for the best friend.>>104549680To be honest I have the feeling that McHale wants to be a sequel of OTGW using Pinocchio since the very moment that I read the book, it simply harmonize too much with his tastes, style and ideas that he used in OTGW.Wirt = Pinocchio (he has a pointy hat)Beatrice = Blue Fairy Greg = CricketGepetto = Wirt's fatherBut I don't want to be so... let's say rushed about this opinion.
>>104549826That's an interesting point of view. Also sorry, I've never watched Star vs. The forces of Evil, but I think I got the gist of it and yeah I can kind of see it now, you're right anon
>>104549748>Going into more wishy-washy psychic moon power theory, a first quarter moon is associated with a period of strength, determination, concentration, decision-making or re-evaluation, and commitment to action, the start of our character's journey into the unknown. A last quarter moon is associated with a calm, contemplative time of introspection, reflection & re-evaluation for the future, as our characters finish their time spent in the unknown. We don't know whether it's a first quarter or last quarter moon though, since we don't see it get brighter or dimmer.Just like I thought... It's the first time that I heard about that psychic thing but I imagined that was the meaning behind it. To make long story short, the moon means "indecision" in this story because Wirt (most likely the author) isn't sure if he wants to stay in the unknown or in the real world, to me it's obvious that the author prefers the first option since the comics even explain how there is nothing wrong if he wants to stay in the unknown. (Greg even supports such idea)What's the meaning behind full moon and new moon? (black moon)
>>104549940>Also sorry, I've never watched Star vs. The forces of EvilDon't worry you can understand it just following the cliche Best Female Friend vs Old Crush. Danny Phantom is kinda the same thing kek. And no problem anon, I really enjoy analyzing to this author and explaining it to other people.
>>104548769And the other one is a pitcher plant
Are they the greatest love story ever told in the cartoon?
>>104548939It makes me wish we'd seen more hints at Beatrice and Wirt's mutual affection for each other in the series.
>>104548939Frankly while I liked the story from these comic, Nothing really changed, The original show had a solid ending that gave a satisfying conclusion to every character arc. I feel every addition that this story made was in the detriment to the original characterization making it a cliche "will they wont they story".Wirt liking Sara was not about romance but about Wirt becoming confident and leaving behind his defeatist personality. This story just add an unnecessary cliche to his characterization, that we have seen in most romantic teenage movies before.
>>104548939N O NONC A N O NANON
>>104550139If you are into bestiality.
>>104549947>What's the meaning behind full moon and new moon? (black moon)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Moon_(1975_film)
>>104547727>"Kept you waiting, huh?"
>>104555186As I said that "bad comics"
>>104541489>>104541469>>104541388>>104541376>>104541536So I guess this happens before the show's actual ending then.
>>104555297Basically yeah, but it's a little hard of describe...
post more nerd and bird
>>104548939No, I always knew BeatriceXWirt was canon and the endgame
>>104541545Anything popular is overrated.
>>104551454What did the advertisement promise? "The most canon story, with the original writer" nothing like the non canon comics in Dreamland
>>104557452OTGW won the Emmy award twice. It's not overrated
>>104557555i really liked OTGW but citing how many awards something won is worthless.a nobel peace price award winner has a indirect killcount in the thousands, the oscars added an new category so more disney movies could be nominated.awards are absoluteley worthless
>>104549826They are more archetypes than cliches.
>>104558206But the Oscars didn't add the category and if they did it's still for "popular" film and an Oscar for makeup is better than one for popularity The Emmy award hasn't had a scandal at the moment
>>104559177the writer tried to be clear
>>104551136>The original show had a solid ending that gave a satisfying conclusion to every character arcThe original ending was full of uncertainty, the author couldn't use the ending he wanted cause CN had other plans. You know how "inclusion" and "diversity" are today so here we was explaining his own work, this is how the story is supposed to be. There was always some retard putting into question the message of the story and the intentions of the author so he's making it clear and the layers and metaphors had a great execution, it needed to be said
>>104550771previous thread made me look up fanfiction and there was a neat story of Beatrice and Wirt finding a way to write to each other and I thought "hey this is exactly like the idea I had for a different setting" But then it stopped being a sort of bitterswet pen pal thing and Beatric just u-p and comes into Wirts world and it just became a fucking typical teen romance thing. I really felt like they missed the feeling of the show.Still they're a couple of cuties and I like seein' em together.
>>104554156Technically she is a human girl and McHale likes the idea of appearance isn't important.
>>104551136Wirt liking Sara and learning to be more confident is even more cliche than "Will they?" it's the cliche "Be yourself" and McHale really hates that cliche because he considers it cheap. McHale didn't want to create a story about a teenager discovering that he is better being himself and successful getting together with his highschool crush, he wanted to write a story about someone who can't fit in the real world because he can't trust in the people of the real world because they are all fake people making the fantasy world ironically more real than the real world.Sara's and Wirt relationship was a story about a boy with a superficial crush in an unknown girl which is destined to died once he meets his emotional crush, a talking bird who is in fact a woman, he knows the person but he unknown her real form so he can love the inner person instead of the disguise (because her disguise isn't attractive), basically another version of Frog Prince.Many things changed with this comic, so many to be honest and the work is now closer to what the author wanted originally. Many headcanons died because this comic, for example: Beatrice is a sister like character for our protagonist, Sara and Beatrice could be good friends (they are used as opposite sides) and others. Hell we even watched the resolution of the romantic triangle.
>>104561413Not him, but McHale mentioned that he had another ending and it seems like it's the original ending because he is always leaning his ideas towards that conclusion in his extra content. For example you mentioned that the author transformed the story in a "will they won't they" cliche, but the author did it before using songs and For Sara, it keeps the idea "Will they" even before of this comic, meanwhile in his comics he began to antagonize the real world giving hints to the idea "The Unknown is probably better". At the same time he says in his interviews things like "Wirt staying in the unknown would be a happy ending too".It's weird but the author has transformed the ending of the original show in something similar to a cliffhanger. I don't know why he does it exactly maybe he has the hope of continue it someday or he wants to change the perception of the people about his original ending.
>>104562335>>104561413Over the Garden Wall originally had the duo on a train headed towards "doom". Wirt, in a panic, extricates himself and Greg from the locomotive and the two of them spend the rest of the show on the run from the Beast. In the end, it's revealed that the Beast is Death himself and he just wants to bring the boys to the Afterlife. Having made peace with their demises through their misadventures in purgatory, Wirt and Greg head into the true Hereafter with the Beast.
>>104563378not him but how do you know that is the real Patrick McHale? That guy doesn't answer direct questions and it doesn't look like him
So wait is OTGW something that is going to be continued at some point? I thought it was just that mini series a couple years ago.
>>104563274It's not exactly what McHale mentioned. Basically the train thing was an early idea which wasn't used in the last version, still McHale comments that they planned another version closer to the final version which Wirt stays in the unknown but Greg leaves. Authors always say that they like the alterations made to their work because they can't say that they don't like the modifications.The Unknown isn't the Purgatory but the Inferno.
>>104564013>So wait is OTGW something that is going to be continued at some point?I don't like to be rushed about this kind of conclusions but I can't avoid notice how the author seems to consider the ending as some kind of cliffhanger. And It's hard to find such a perfect base story as Pinocchio to continue OTGW because many elements, feelings, characters, etc are really harmonious with the original show. Specially if you are looking for a reunion between Wirt and Beatrice.I don't want to consider it for sure but it's really interesting if you ask me.
>>104561731Oh I read that fanfic, I ended disliking it although, I didn't like the interpretation that the author did about the two main characters, Wirt isn't such a weakling as that fanfic portrays him and Beatrice isn't that kind of character. Anyway I certainly enjoyed it for a while.What do you think about this idea for a fanfic?: Three years after the events in the show Wirt returns to the unknown looking for his father after receive a weird letter with his signature.
>>104564809It was fine for the pen pal segment, but the moment it drops the mystery of how the wall works and the pen pal angle I dropped it too. The premise wasn't enough for me to overlook the character problems. Up until Beatrice comes into the "real" world I though their characterizations were at least alright.Wirt looking for his father is a strange thing, at least to me. Did McHale say something about his dad being missing or anything like that? I've seen the idea of Writ looking for him mentioned once or twice, maybe even by you.Based on our limited idea of how the Unknown works, I'd think Wirt would be forced to find something of his father's there in order to remember that he's looking for him though. The idea does seem like it'd be good for holding that nostalgic feeling the series has though, could work.
>>104564636>Authors always say that they like the alterations made to their work because they can't say that they don't like the modifications.Not always. Artists tend to get married to the concept and are loath to cut things from it, even when it's not working for the story flow, pacing or time. A lot of authors will say "I hate that they took this scene out, but I understand why" and more often than not the movie is stronger for it.It's when executives that had nothing to do with the project other than coming in and forcing the crew to cut a story that takes two hours to tell into nintey minutes that you start getting really bad cuts and really mad authors that have to bite their tongue about it. And I find it hard to believe that OTGW was meddled with to that amount given the subject matter and all, but I'm sure there's people out there that know more about the situation than I do.
>>104565303>It was fine for the pen pal segment, but the moment it drops the mystery of how the wall works and the pen pal angle I dropped it too. The premise wasn't enough for me to overlook the character problems. Up until Beatrice comes into the "real" world I though their characterizations were at least alright.Yeah I thought so too, they weren't perfect but at least it felt as them, as the story progress it feels even disconnected of some kind of main plot, it has tender moments but the lack of fantastic elements and a real progress for the characters really killed it to me, instead of people discovering that they have to be better we have two characters whom simply accept that they are just like that.>Wirt looking for his father is a strange thing, at least to me. Did McHale say something about his dad being missing or anything like that?It's never mentioned directly but in For Sara his relationship with his father is hinted one or two times, It seems like his father is dead instead of divorced as some people think and they used to be very closer, Wirt inherited his tape recorder of him and we can hear a record of his father with a baby Wirt. Then I read Pinocchio with him shouting "Papa, wait for me daddy I'm going with you!" and I thought maybe Wirt's father is in the unknown who knows. (The Unknown is represented by the ocean in OTGW)I was thinking in something about that old train, a dove machinist. a Christmas like setting, a nutcracker symbolism, a flashback of a young Wirt saying "I wanna to be like my dad when I grow up", a 18 years old Wirt who has finished the school and he doesn't know what he wants of his life, a battle between fantasy and reality for the love of the father represented by Wirt and a living doll like a child Wirt made with Edelwood, a fisherman like villain who use different kind of bait to attract people to their demise (money, love, whatever you want or need). And a romance between Wirt and his dear-
>>104565389>It's when executives that had nothing to do with the project other than coming in and forcing the crew to cut a story that takes two hours to tell into nintey minutes that you start getting really bad cuts and really mad authors that have to bite their tongue about it. And I find it hard to believe that OTGW was meddled with to that amount given the subject matter and all,Huh... In fact OTGW was suppose to have 18 episodes instead of 10 so...>Not always. Artists tend to get married to the concept and are loath to cut things from it, even when it's not working for the story flow, pacing or time. A lot of authors will say "I hate that they took this scene out, but I understand why" and more often than not the movie is stronger for it.Yeah it used to be like that but it's not that easy anymore, you know cartoon artists are some of the most tighten writers, they can't say absolutely nothing wrong about anything related to the network and its decision and this kind of aggressive behavior towards them has been expanded, even some Japanese writers are suffering of this kind of deal. 20 years ago you could hear them being much more honest about their complaining but at these times...
>>104565303Seriously, Wirt and Beatrice's relationship is a thing that you can't simply ignore when you are writing about OTGW. It's an important matter if you are looking for an imitation of the old style of the show.
>>104565511Having a new adventure with different places is always good. Far too often people just have characters visit the same locations because it's easier than thinking up something new.So I'm kind of getting a Treasure Island sort of vibe from your idea, a grand adventure to find one's place in the world. In the original show Wirt learns that, hey turns out Greg is part of his family, and family is important to him, and this idea is just a continuation of that. Would Greg come along as well? So much of Wirt's character is shown by playing off Greg, as a younger brother myself and I'd like to see sort of how you age up Greg and keep their banter working.
>>104550771I think we can all be in agreement that, should Wirt and Beatrice kiss, it would be immediately preceded by "Shut up, Wirt" and Beatrice kissing him, right?
>>104565720>Having a new adventure with different places is always good. Far too often people just have characters visit the same locations because it's easier than thinking up something new.Honestly to imitate McHale is Hard as hell, particularly the part about the disguises but new stories demand new situations. To imitate the style of other creators is my favorite thing and I'm gonna try to replicate the dark cartoon like style of McHale.Now about your question... I don't know to be honest, I really wanted to put the whole group together because Dreamland comics show us that separate them isn't a good idea, they don't work very well without the complete team. But even so I have problems bringing Greg to the unknown again, it's more like a moral problem, is it correct if Wirt brings Greg with him when he is only looking for a personal goal? Wirt's father isn't Greg's father and that's my dilemma, they don't have a common goal.I have been thinking in something like a hidden tragedy here because Wirt wants to be "like his father" when he was a kid (inspired in the fact that he inherited the tape recorder and his father even stumble when talking), then I'm thinking in title like "The black cat in the cradle" for the first chapter. Definitely Greg is going to appear during the firsts chapters but I'm very conflicting about it.
>>104562335Frankly this feels like a George Lucas situation, where he wanted to do more to the story, but in actuality taking stuff from the original idea made it better. For those who don´t know the Original script for Starwars was like 4 times longer and had a bunch more characters, It was a mess that he was forced to trim down to be able to fit in a movie.I really think the "will they won´t they" is such an unnecessary cliche, specially when the core of the show was the relationship of the brothers.
>>104565841Hehe... I don't know I prefer the tender and shy behavior that she shows when she is trying to show her liking for Wirt, it looks like she has problem expressing it and it's funny coming from someone like Beatrice who is always saying what she thinks. I think that Beatrice is more a shy girl when it comes to romance, but "shut up" is always funny.
>>104562090>he wanted to write a story about someone who can't fit in the real world because he can't trust in the people of the real world because they are all fake people making the fantasy world ironically more real than the real world.If that if the case, he sure did a poor job on doing it. Specially when it was the people in the unknown who felt fake, The woodsman was working for the beast, Beatrice wanted to sell the brothers for the scissors, the potsville people where skeletons in disguise, etc.The people in the real world in the other hand where genuine, Greg, the kids from school, It was Wirt distorted perception of reality that made everyone something they weren't, like how he saw Jason Funderburker like some kind of chad rival, when he was a dork or how he saw Sara as an unreachable girl even though she seen genuinely interested in him.
>>104566033In fact the relationship between the two brothers is important indeed, but the relationship between Wirt and Beatrice is almost protagonist around the whole story, if we analyze the show we will notice that his relationship is the most developed through the story and it seems like the author wanted to make it so. "There is something particularly good about Over The Garden Wall, I really like the relationship between Wirt and Beatrice because you can see how it changes as the story advances and there is some kind of art in that..." -Elijah Wood.But the weirdest thing is that McHale has seen the ending as a cliffhanger for a REALLY long time, for example he mentions in one of his earlier interviews "I can't avoid to feel that there is something or someone awaiting for me behind all that fog..." while he says it we can see Wirt walking thought the fog. And it seems like he refers to Beatrice who is the unknown because "Sara is waiting in home but she isn't waiting for me..."Then I don't know if McHale is exactly like George Lucas, because it seems like the cliche was in the story from the very beginning or at least since he decided that Wirt was going to leave The Unknown.
>>104565576Yeah I remember feeling like that in college, I wrote a script for a class, it was good enough for the teacher to use it in another film making class, the short was really different from the script . On one side I got pissed that they changed so much, on the other I felt the story was better with the changes.
>>104547556Definitely the normal life bit. She's jealous that he's normal and living his happy life, while she's stuck in some world where she's an outsider both physically and mentally
>>104566277Good for you I guess
>>104565960I'd really feel that Greg needs to be there, as you say. In the show he is sort of the most moral character, taking the burden of being taken by the Beast in order to save his brother. An easy solution to the problem of Greg being there, and one of my original issues, would be to simply start with the both of them in the Unknown and have them and the reader find out why, if not how, they are there. It is entirely within Greg's character to come along to help Wirt, regardless of what his goal is. To the Greg in the show Wirts dad would be just as much part of his family as Wirt is. So perhaps Greg stowed away in whatever method Wirt was using to find his father. Wirt finds him and their argument over it leads them into the Unknown. Sort of my biggest issue with the whole idea though is what is the end goal of the story, and does it simply leave the characters to the same conclusions as the original series. That Wirt just ends up in largely the same emotional space as he started.
>>104548763>>104548769Could be a foreshadowing that Wirt would eventually side with Beatrice against the killer plants illusions.You could also interpret it as Wirt being closer and choosing Beatrice over Sara. In fact this entire scenario could be a straight adventure but could also be read as an analysis of what Wirt truly wants. And Sara never taking off her makeup could be interpreted both as the plant simply using Wirts last memory of Sara (when she was in makeup) or that Sara is literally always in a "mask" to Wirt
>>104566322Let's not forget that Wirt being with Sara is part of Beatrice's nightmare. >>104547618
>>104566386>An easy solution to the problem of Greg being there, and one of my original issues, would be to simply start with the both of them in the Unknown and have them and the reader find out why, if not how, they are there. It is entirely within Greg's character to come along to help Wirt, regardless of what his goal is. To the Greg in the show Wirts dad would be just as much part of his family as Wirt is. So perhaps Greg stowed away in whatever method Wirt was using to find his father. Wirt finds him and their argument over it leads them into the Unknown.Bravo anon! You gave me a great idea just right now. Yeah I think that I can make it work, but they will not fight about it, that would be very similar to the original story and I want a sequel not a remake, they will simply agreed into go together but I think that they will discuss about how Wirt is looking for his father in the unknown. Talking about the method I'm thinking in the Train, a creature in the Train can leave the unknown to his freewill (McHale said that that the beast can force you to stay even against your own will) but he can only move through the train rails. Wirt doesn't know if the train can move through the other train rails and people in the town in thinking about remove them because they are very old, so Wirt decides to go with the Dove the next time that they meet, so Wirt must want to go voluntary because to repeat the almost getting killed is not something a little redundant. >Sort of my biggest issue with the whole idea though is what is the end goal of the story, and does it simply leave the characters to the same conclusions as the original series. That Wirt just ends up in largely the same emotional space as he started.I'm a little confuse about this part of the post... would you please to make it a little clearer so I can give you a proper answer without mistakes?
>>104566126I guess that the story isn't perfect but obviously it was altered because certain reasons for example "Diversity" a brown character with bad implications wouldn't be allow in our times at least while you are working for CN. But the fact is that the real world is represented as "Fraud" and the authors say that people who act friendly all the time aren't necessarily good people. Anyway I'm not the writer so don't complain with me if you don't like his intentions or tastes.
>>104566491Great analysis anon, really, it was great analysis. I think that Sara never taking her make up is a way of saying: "He is in love with the disguise not her".
>>104566832I don´t know why but I read that in Tito's voice. Like the ancient hawaiians used to say: Don´t write blacks if you are making them the badguys.
>>104567048Such a good proverb I can see that you are wise man anon. A problem with the diverse characters is that people only want to see them as role models.
>>104566799I'm not phrasing it well at all, sorry.Basically I'm wondering what the emotional conflict of the story is. For example in the series Wirts emotional growth is in being more sure of himself and no longer resenting Greg. I'm just worried that Wirt wont really have much of an emotional conflict, or maybe journey is the better word, in your story. Will finding his father, or his father's fate, change Wirt emotionally from where he is at the end of the series, or will it just be that he is more confident in himself again. Did that make sense?
>>104566033The original script sounds more psychological with lesser characters, how is this similar to Lucas? In fact there wouldn't even need to be Beatrice here, just two brothers running from their doom and eventually coming to peace with it
>>104562335>>104563274>>104563378I liked this better to be honest. But this would by now means air in any of the television channels right now. I wonder if he waited longer and went to Netflix instead?
>>104541087>>104541221>Did anyone actually rip it properly yet?>Over The Garden Wall v01 (2017) (Digital-Empire)>Over The Garden Wall v02 (2017) (Digital-Empire)You should be capable of finding it.
>>104567290Oops, forgot to paste:>Over the Garden Wall v03 (2018) (Digital-Empire)
>>104567207Of course, now I fully understand your doubt, sorry for being so dumb.The emotional conflict here will be "Adulthood" that's why I selected 18 years as Wirt's age. There comes a time on your life where you stop of being a kid and you must to leave your home because you are an adult. He is about to leave for the college and after that he will need to find a job and built his own "home" and he isn't sure about what kind of life he wants for himself or what kind of man he wants to be, so he wants to be like his father but he doesn't know if his memory betrays him with over-idealized memories so he wants to meet his father again so he will watch for himself what kind of man his father is now and if he can use it as his role model. At the same time I want to include a fear to be replaced as a risk factor to his decision, that's why I choose Christmas as the settling for the story, because toys are replaced with the time. I have this dialogue:>Come with us father, we can return to home now.>Home? That isn't my home Wirt... not anymore. >But...>Why would I like to return to that place? To see my wife happily married again? It's enough to me to see that little boy over there, I don't need to watch her photos with her new husband or her memories with her new baby or watch to that man trying to rule over my son... do you really wanna kill me again, my son? Because my heart will not endure it.>Do you feel replaced dad?>Yes...>I know that feeling...>If you have someone waiting for you... don't keep it waiting too long... because people can be patient but they can get tired of waiting.What do you think?
>>104567230Well he left CN after OTGW and he was hired by another company, but I don't remember the name, but it was the same one where Pendletton was working when he created Bravest Warriors. Maybe he was looking for more freedom for his ideas and that's why he chose the movie format.
>>104546281>>104547373>>104548496Any chance of an artist drawing a pic of human Beatrice outside Sara's window calling her a whore?Just thought I'd ask
>>104567604So a sort of a "be your own person" moral then? I'm not super sure that's an issue Wirt has, but if you think it works then push on friend. I'll look forward to reading it.
>>104568961I really feel like it should be harlot instead
>>104569199I have no problem with this other than I find the mouth shape for "O" much more amusing than the one for "A"
>>104569271Trollop would be close to that then.It's just funnier if she uses outmoded terminology. I'd honestly prefer "fornicatress" simply because of how long it is.
>>104546619>>104546766Because she is disguised as a Skelleton. And no, sh isn't the "diverse" character. Characters don't need a reason to be not white.
>>104569333Beatrice and the horse are diverse.
>>104569333She is the diverse character to paint her face of white is simply McHale enjoying being a bastard kek.
>>104568974>So a sort of a "be your own person" moral then?It's more like someone trying to figure "what I really want"... kinda like this anon mentioned here about this comic book. >>104566491
>>104570864>What I really wantI'm just having trouble putting together that sort of conflict in my head is my issue I think.Like, given your reference, in my head the choices would be between the real world and the Unknown, but I'm not really certain Wirt's ever shown much affection for the Unknown, not in the same way that Greg did. Maybe you have something in mind for that, but I just have trouble lining the idea up in my head.
>>104571414Hey I didn't have that fanart. Saved.Well I have noticed that the author has been trying to create some kind of attachment between Wirt and the unknown in his extra contents, to the point where it seems like Wirt considers it an ideal place with good heart people even the song here tries to transmit that kind of feeling >>104547618 >>104547628 But maybe his attachment to The Unknown is mainly an attachment to Beatrice over all the things because she is the person awaiting for him "behind all the fog". It's like he looking up for the day to be reunited with her.
>>104571916I was worried that it would largely be based around Beatrice.I just don't want another story that makes the mistake of replacing an emotional conflict with a romance plot. Romance is all well and good but it has to be in service of a larger plot, other wise it comes off shallow like in Twilight.
>>104567290>>104567361None of those include the new comic which is a OGN called Distillatoria do they?
>>104572007Oh of course, I understand what you are talking about, I don't like stories built entirely around a ship, sometimes they are cute but generally I feel that there is something missing about that kind of stories and it's a problem about fanfics in general not uniquely in this fandom. (at least the quality of the fanfics about OTGW is in fact above the average)But even when I'm trying to avoid that kind of romantic stories I can't simply to say that Beatrice isn't very important for our protagonist specially after read this comic. Romance is an important element in OTGW just like the many other elements in the story, the mistake is to ignore the other elements and centralize all the story in the romance. But yeah I'm looking up for a balanced story. Just in the case that you are having that feeling because this dialogue: >I know that feeling... The point about was that Wirt felt replaced by Greg when he was born, a feeling that he eventually overcome. It's inspired in an article that I read in a magazine about how the kids feel about the second marriages.
>>104572693I'm not saying drop it altogether, I'm saying that their relationship should be dependant on the plot. Just make sure that any relationship stuff going on is there because it moves the plot forward.
>>104569042What does this mean?
>>104573853Got it! For now I have a scene about Wirt and Greg being obligated to work for an old lady in exchange for a medicine for Beatrice, the medicine is a vial but for a day of work she will receive only one drop of the medicine if one of them abandon the building and its surroundings the old lady will stop giving her the medicine drop, but Wirt only has a bunch of days to reach his father's actual location so he begins to think that maybe they should steal the vial... but is it right?
>>104574031That's a good super short review.
>>104574136I choose you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80X8t-r0w-Y
>>104566491it gets weird if you consider that Beatrice is of debatable existence given the fact she lives in the unknown.
>>104549244>Remember that episode 9 correspond to the floor of the Inferno "Fraud" and McHale uses the disguises of halloween as a way to represent that people never show how they really areThe problem was that this was so vague that most people didn't notice it. Had there been more theme exploration the series would have been better.
>>104574119I don't really want to get into specifics, but know that you want the relationship stuff to always be tied to the plot, either directly, like what you have, or indirectly, by informing on a characters mindset or setting up their actions later in the story
>>104574291>Beatrice is of debatable existence given the fact she lives in the unknownlol, that's a good one anon, next you'll be telling me The Highwayman isn't real either
>>104548828I'm with you on that, buddy.
>>104549664>I'm gonna be honest most part of the book is about Wirt's two romantic interest and his indecision to choose one.Something never covered in the show. Wirt never showed a romantic interest in Beatrice since he only knew her as a bird.>McHale commented long time ago in an interview "Who is fantasy and who is reality?"A theme he didn't cover in OtGW.>In this comic Wirt is interrupted everytime that he tries to "get closer" to BeatriceWhy is this happening in a shared dream?>This book in fact added a lot of things to the original story that used to be only speculative or implied.Such as adding a love triangle that didn't exist in the TV show.
>>104574396I mean, they get to the unknown by falling into a river and they get out when they wake up. Obviously its not a physical place.
>>104574313You have a good point there, may we will consider the it having such vague meaning as a consequence of the cut content as we know that McHale's comics are in fact cut episodes, the idea of The Unknown having absolutely only bad implications is in fact contributed by this factor, I have noticed that the fandom often describe the unknown like well such an horrible place when it is suppose to be a good option.But I can't avoid to think that Wirt's situation in the real world was kinda washed, it was idealized and transformed to make of it the typical "you only have to be yourself" cliche, it's like they tried to make the choice much more easier. I have the feeling that the vision of the creator was a twisted in a certain measure because the author clearly has a different inclination in this whole matter causing a little crash of ideas which is only evident when you look the content created by him directly and his comments.
>>104574396>>104574702Anon this comic is practically laughing of that kind of theories with Greg saying: "Silly old me". The whole thing happened, McHale even has commented it in interviews and the frog has the bell. The place exists, Beatrice exists... I think that these kind of things probably gives to the author headache when he hear them because he can't make it more obvious.
>>104562090>he wanted to write a story about someone who can't fit in the real world because he can't trust in the people of the real world because they are all fake people making the fantasy world ironically more real than the real world.And in this regard he failed. For this to work you need to establish the real world and its flaws so the audience has a grounding in how the real world works. Then go into a fantasy world and gradually show how the people here are more real when put in similar situations.If all you do is show a fantasy world for most of the series the audience has no baseline for what is meant to be real, so they can't help but consider the world with talking skeletons and humanoid animals to be fake. Also showing the real world near the end of the series doesn't work since the audience doesn't have enough time to be able to compare the real world to the fake one.>Sara's and Wirt relationship was a story about a boy with a superficial crush in an unknown girl which is destined to died once he meets his emotional crushThey didn't show this in the show, Wirt did know some things about Sara, and they seemed to get along better at the end.>a talking bird who is in fact a woman, he knows the person but he unknown her real form so he can love the inner person instead of the disguise That could equally apply to Sara since Wirt loves her despite her face being covered by a costume and he tries to get to know her better.Also in the ending Wirt literally leaves the fantasy world and doesn't show any further interest in Beatrice.>Many things changed with this comic, so many to be honest and the work is now closer to what the author wanted originally.If it's non-cannon then nothing was changed.
>>104566145>the relationship between Wirt and Beatrice is almost protagonist around the whole storyWhat is this even meant to mean?>if we analyze the show we will notice that his relationship is the most developed through the story and it seems like the author wanted to make it so.How does this relationship develop?>And it seems like he refers to Beatrice who is the unknown because "Sara is waiting in home but she isn't waiting for me..."Sara's seemed to like him in the last episode.
>>104574750I always sort of thought that the unknown was somehow metaphorical or spiritual, without a definite physical nature.
>>104574707>may we will consider the it having such vague meaning as a consequence of the cut contentGiven what was left in I'd have to say McHale wasn't going to do much theme exploration or didn't see the need for it.>I have noticed that the fandom often describe the unknown like well such an horrible place when it is suppose to be a good option.Maybe because it's based on the circles of Hell and has a Beast that's trying to kill the brothers. There's also the witch that turned Beatrice and her family into birds.> I have the feeling that the vision of the creator was a twisted in a certain measure because the author clearly has a different inclination in this whole matter causing a little crash of ideas which is only evident when you look the content created by him directly and his comments.The problem is we can only judge OtGW by the finished product, not what the creator wanted it to be.
>>104574512>Something never covered in the show. Wirt never showed a romantic interest in Beatrice since he only knew her as a bird.I don't know if it's worth of discussing if the relationship between Wirt and Beatrice was romantic in the original show since it's pretty much obvious if you understand a little of narrative structure or cartoons. But McHale's has his own thematic idea when it comes to romantic stories, he likes to write huh... A REALLY EXTREME version of the cliche about the appearance being unimportant OTGW is just him doing it again, it doesn't matter if the girl is giant monster or a bird because appearance isn't important at all. >A theme he didn't cover in OtGW.But he considers it like that, he probably wanted to cover it but he coulnd't because the ten episodes.>Why is this happening in a shared dream?They weren't in the plant anymore>Such as adding a love triangle that didn't exist in the TV show.Yeah because Sara wasn't important, technically Beatrice lacked of competence.
>>104574939Yeah well it doesn't really matter to be honest, the fact is that the unknown exists and you can even bring things of that place.
>>104574375Is it bad?
>>104574768You may consider the lack of importance in the real world like a system of protection, basically it's like a character in a Junji Ito's story, he protects the readers of getting too attached to them because in that way they can be discarded later without affect to the readers. Basically the audience wasn't suppose to care about Wirt leaving behind the real world and the negative aspect of it was probably sweetened or got lost in the extra content. Wirt doesn't know anything about Sara or it is more like we don't know anything about her at all because the show doesn't really care about her character, but McHale's opinion of Sara being someone unknown for Wirt has a certain support of the original show because Greg doesn't know her at all, and that wouldn't be like that if she and Wirt were friends or had any relationship at all.Wirt doesn't love Sara, he loves her disguise, that's the difference between Sara and Beatrice, Beatrice's disguise isn't attractive that's why Wirt loves her real person not her disguise, with Sara is the other thing. Well they sold the idea of it being the closer thing to the canon possible, that's why they used a member of the original crew or McHale directly.
>>104575103It's fine, I just don't want to be criting every idea you have before you have the time to write it and think it out further.
I kind of get the feeling that a lot of these Beatrice/Wirt artists are also disturbingly big fans of Tim Burton.
>>104575483Oh good, thank you for sharing your opinions with me.
>>104574707maybe we should consider the vague meaning as a consequence of the cut off content. We know that McHale's comics are in fact cut off episodes, people's perception of The Unknown as a place with only negative aspects is the result of the cut off content
>>104575651That's very normal, McHale himself is a big fan of Tim Burton's work. I don't know if another movie influenced more in his work than Nightmare Before Halloween, this movie has the first "disguise". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGiYxCUAhksI loved every single second of that sequence, a real masterpiece.
>>104547636My favorite page
Also can someone explain this Wirt being the Beast thing I'm seeing a lot?The hell is up with that, and also why is Beatrice wearing Belle's dress in this picture?
>>104576329It's just a thing the fandom enjoy, they think Wirt would be a great evil monster
Good night /co/ and long complicated thread, the story was pretty cool though
>>104568961Most fun part was looking up different words for prostitute
>>104577253Yikes, didn't realize my phones camera was that bad.
>>104548894Reminds me of The Gerbils.>>104548939I'm gratified that I wasn't imagining the sexual tension between Wirt and Beatrice in the show
>>104548939Nope, not really.While they are using the characters much better than the hero frog comics, I find they didn't really do anything interesting with them to add any real depth. but as something separate from the arc of the series i find i enjoyed it.Was very referential, like a love letter to the series. The modern world was part of what i didn't like about the original series at the time. I found it hard to get excited for it in this story, even if it was with a deceptive twist.
This was a very nice read, thanks for storytiming this
>>104576329He looks cute when he's evil
>tfw you will never be turned into a bird and be forced to deal with a stupid idiot waste of space that can't do anything right and why did he have to leave that jerk.
>>104574119I think I've finally figured out what your idea reminds me of. Into The Woods, which is fine by me cause I love the songs in it.
>>104577253Nice, art almost reminds me of Hark a Vagrant.
>>104580383>OTGW does ITW
>>104580842Writ as the BakerGreg as JackJason Funderberker as The Wolf/Prince CharmingI can't decide who is who for Sara and Beatrice between Cinderella and The Bakers wife though.
>>104581058Baker's Wife would be Beatrice - a good heart, but flawed and insecure, deeply loves the Baker, but is fated not to be with him in the end.
>>104575300No offense but you read way too much into this. Wirt has a crush on Sara, full stop. Whether or not it actually means anything is irrelevant because that's not the point. McHale's comments were mostly taking umbrage at the shippers and "true love" bullshit that accompany it. Whether or not he knows Sara is irrelevant, within the series itself he barely knows Beatrice and most of their interactions are colored by her deception and antipathy towards him, what matters is Wirt's self-actualization which the act of him talking to Sara represents. Also Lorna is best girl and fits far better for your theory than Beatrice.
>>104581270I disagree that he barely knows Beatrice though. By the end, he knows her motivations and a little history of her. Not to mention that they came out of the whole Adelaide situation closer with a stronger bond (whether friendship or romantic is up for anyone to decide).
Why can't any work of art just be left to stand alone and speak for itself? We don't need all this extra shit.
>>104581134I like it
>>104581473When you look at all the other things that have been made, it basically does stand by itself.I'd probably feel more upset if they tried to make a sequel series (especially without the original creator) but for the most part all the extra stuff they have made is quite easy to ignore.I did pick up the art book itself but that didn't really try to add anything to the world as much as give a little peak behind what was already there.
>>104580383I don't know that story but I think that I will check it out.
>>104577437>Reminds me of The GerbilsWhat is that?>I'm gratified that I wasn't imagining the sexual tension between Wirt and Beatrice in the showYou are a smart anon
>>104581270>Death to the author the postLorna doesn't fit really in the idea of Wirt falling in love with the real person because her disguise was attractive too (just like Sara) and Lorna wasn't exactly the same person he was attracted to. She is more like Sara in this aspect.
>>104581473Because the author couldn't explain all the ideas that he wanted talk about. Using the extra content the author addresses the ideas he wanted to present from the beginning and it gives to us a more correct comprehension of his work. >>104582820In fact even the art book was useful because that document talk about how the Beast has the capacity of keep the people in the unknown against their own will meaning that in fact was the death of the beast what release our protagonists, at the other side it talks about how the beast needs the evilness of people to keep his flame alive, Edelswood's oil is exactly that.
>>104577253Wonderful mistake of nature
>>104576329The concept is cool and Wirt as the beast has a lot of style, the problem is always the logic behind the transformation, but I think that it's a goldmine in term of material for stories you just need to find a little of sense to this weird twist. Fanfic writers are very creative in the development although. (sometimes)
>>104582920Into the Woods is a musical that mashes up a bunch of fairy tales, most notably, Cinderella, Rapunzel, and Jack and the Beanstalk. The overall themes are a lot like what your story seems to sort of be about. Children and growing up, accepting responsibilities and understanding that things will change, and the consequences of wish fulfillment. Mainly that you need to work for things, that even if a wish is granted there will be heavy consequences because you didn't do the work.Mostly your story reminds me of it because the main character of the musical is abandoned by his father at a young age, which causes him to really want children, and when things start to fall apart he meets his father who convinces him to not give up like he did.
>>104548830Wait, movie?! What!?!
>>104584612I can't find anything in the usual places.
>>104583429What's the transformation logic? I wanna hear it before I throw in my idea, before it turns out it's dumber than what the fandom made up.
>>104585909one story that I'd read was that, basically, the Unknown needs the Beast. He holds it all together and without him it would disappear. Maybe the Unknown is the Beasts soul, or something.
>>104583285There's no such thing as correct comprehension of a work.
>>104585909>>104586727I just realized that this didn't really explain anything.Basically the Unknowin requires the beast to be around, so when the light in the lantern went out Wirt relit it, so it became his soul in the lantern. He would then basically Tend to the Unknown, whatever it was that that means. Probably turning the lost and forlone into Edlewood trees and he'd also have to grind up his own oil.
Lorna will never show up again in anything, huh?
>>104587161Lorna's a cool dude, but she seemed rather content to stay with Auntie Whispers. Though now that the spell is broken they'd probably welcome any visitors to the home.But since her problem was solved there's little reason to revisit her in a real sense in any official work.
>>104538942>I was having the most beautiful dream.>I was with a friend back home, sitting in my room, just talkingGetting too real.
>>104549092Anon, the moon is a very interesting symbol here, I wouldn't have caught the detail. Cool meaning
>>104586727>>104586914These fanfics writers should to have a little more of imagination, it's so easy as say "He is transforming in a manifestation of his own fear".
>>104586767>Death to the author
>>104584612>>104585800McHale wants to make a movie with Pinocchio as base of his new story.
>>104588029In the story I read it wasn't really depicted as a fear. Or really that he was afraid at all other than not wanting Beatrice knowing that he was turning into wood. Instead it was more like just regret. In the story Wirt becomes the Beast, and sends Greg away, and is hopeful that Greg forgets him because in Wirt's mind he was a terrible brother, while Greg was willing to deal with the devil to save him. But then again, maybe regret for a life unlived is Wirt's biggest fear.
>>104583777Good grief! it really sounds similar... Well I'm gonna watch this thing it sounds really interesting to me, but you know it's not exactly the same thing, I was thinking about a father sharing his experience with him about the reality and how it works, but maybe they are very similar. Wirt's father and him are supposed to have much on common and that's probably as good as bad.
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>>104588118Mm... that sounds very deep now that I think about it. Have someone ever made a story about Wirt being The Beast with only happy and optimistic ideas? There is something that I don't like about OTGW's fanfics... they are kinda pessimistic and despite their good writing It becomes tired with the time.
>>104588199Thank you anon
>>104587161>Suck my dick until it's dry, the ringing of the bell commands you.
>>104548652They may be covered in bones and mostly digested creatures, but this is still a very sweet moment.
>>104588177I've never actually seen the movie, just the stage production so I can't really speak to its quality.Again the idea of Wirt meeting his father just kind of reminded me of one of the last songs "No More", you could at least just give that a listen.Were I writing it, which I'm not, thankfully, I'd have Wirt finishing or cutting off his dad for any advice or things that he might tell him, showing that he's learned these things by living his life in the trips through the Unknown.
>>104588500>They may be covered in bones and mostly digested creaturesThat's the sweetest part anon
>>104588579>>104588177Or maybe Wirt ends up not finding his father, and learns something else instead?Sometimes people leave youHalfway through the woodDo not let it grieve youNo one leaves for goodYou are not aloneNo one is alone
>>104588227I dunno, but that sounds like it could be interesting. My feeling though is that you wouldn't want it to just end up being "And Wirt became the Beast and he mad everyone happy, the end" So maybe all the same depressing stuff is happening. Wirt turns to wood, people turn into Edlewood trees and Wirt has to make them into oil, but instead of slowly turning into the b east personality wise he instead roams the Unknown and tries to be helpful, helping the wayward and the listless to keep their purpose.But then you could turn that into a sort of Death Seeker kind of deal since he'd need people to become hopeless and turn into trees to keep his soul lit.Damn even trying to make The Beast into a friendly and helpful thing could be depressing in the end.
>>104588579>Were I writing it, which I'm not, thankfully,Why? (I feel intrigued by this comment)I don't know that sounds like turn Wirt's father in a "who cares about him?" or "who needs you" and I don't know if that's correct because the old man is only trying to help him. Do you feel that there is something wrong in his message?
>>104588794I get it, it's the dark nature of the creature what makes to the fandom to represent it as an absolute bad end, that makes sense. Even so... you know I wouldn't mind read a more refined version of shrek with Wirt interpreting The Beast, I just think that the fandom has this big tendency to write depressive stories that at this point I just want happy tales. People always ignore certain aspects of the story I would like that they ignored a little of the edgy part with this monster Wirt thematic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVsa1ETTXrA
>>104588821>Why? (I feel intrigued by this comment)Because I only have snippets and in the end I would write my story which wouldn't be what you're writing. You seem to have a rather firm grasp as to what you want which is good, I really don't have anything other than two scenes and that's it.I don't mean to say that Wirt's father would be useless of that he'd be dismissed, just that the pay off for finding him wouldn't be what Wirt set out for, which I believe is to be some kind of role model, yes? I like stories where the character's conflict is solved more by their journey and the things they did, rather than reaching its end. In this case when Wirt meets his father it isn't a child seeking answers on how to grow up, rather it is a young man meeting his father equal ground. Wirt set out to find someone to be like, and instead found out how to be himself, sort of deal.>>104588939Well I mean, making him optimistic and upbeat about it makes it into a sort of bittersweet sadness, rather than the depressive kind that I figure most stories would have. A "This is my lot, but I am happy with it" rather than "There's nothing I can do, I'll just let it happen" the former, to me, fits much more in line with OTGW's style.
does anyone have that art of all the characters welcoming them back from the last thread?
>>104589615thanks, I needed something bittersweet
>>104589768It's cool man.I got a lot of pictures I'd not seen before.
>>104589855I'm honestly a little surprised at the amount of Wirt and Beatrice art there is. I didn't think many people cared for it until the recent threads here started showing up.
>>104590148Wow I really like the colors in this one.
>>104580806Thanks, oddly enough not the first time someone has said that about stuff i've posted here.>>104588066Oh, i thought that was a Guillermo del Toro movie that Mchale was a part of.
>>104588484"Lorna, you haven't been wicked, have you?"wipes mouth, "Um... no"
>>104548939I didn't really ship Wirt and Beatrice while watching the show but this does make me sadder that they'll probably never see each other again. Never able to just, sit and talk...
>>104583056Lorna belongs with me :^)
>>104545704>Sara wasn't a good replacement for BeatriceWas it an epilogue comic?
>>104589323This talk of Wirt's Dad just keeps making me think of Wirt getting a letter from his Dad in the mail,"He told me to come meet him in a small mountain town"
>>104592740>Sara is 100% into the polygomyBeatrice was right, what a fucking trollop.
>>104582966The Gerbils are a band (same label as Neutral Milk Hotel if you're into that), Wirt's poem just reminded me of their lyric style.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t166uLCegqM
>>104592522>A dead person can't write a letter... it's illegal!
>>104592522I mean, in truth is Silent Hill really all that different from the Unknown?
>>104592740I think that’s the same artist that drew this
>>104589323I think that I understand your point, you think that Wirt's destiny must to be different of his father because it's too tragic, don't worry about it. I'm not such a cruel guy and I'm thinking in a happy very happy ending to this story, I don't have the whole thing made but I was thinking about Wirt using his father wisdom and his experiences to save himself of a tragic/sad ending. Maybe I can modify the message later if it's really that crude (it sounded good on my head). Be honest with me... is this conflict too horrible and ugly?
>>104592522Now that I think about that... yeah It sounds a little similar but I think that it can be a cool thing to read. Patrician joke anon>>104592811Patrician joke anon.>>104593595Mm... they are similar but everyone loves silent hill.
>>104593893>you think that Wirt's destiny must to be different of his father because it's too tragicI don't... think so?I just mean that in the "coming-of-age" style stories, it is the journey that leads the person into whomever it is they are supposed to be, rather than the advice of someone else. Usually it's the advice of the other person that pushes the protagonist to go on the journey, because they don't want to take said advice. That, for me, is usually a better story because it doesn't become the protagonist going to someone and getting their answers, they find them for themselves instead.Keep in mind this is all stuff being said about a story that hasn't been written. I don't know your overarching plot really. I'm mostly just saying what I'd like to read in something, and books don't tend to be made by committee very often. Do what you think is the best version of your story.
>>104593768Oh mama, I prefer to keep myself in the low waters. But the drawing is soo perfect.
>>104592522Sort of in that vein, I was just struck with the idea of Wirt and the gang meeting a Wendigo that is generally affable, but just continuously makes references to eating them.
>>104594057Sorry I misinterpret you, silly me. Don't worry even if the stories aren't made by commission, I will take in count your opinions to make a better story because they are good suggestions.>>104589323You know even when I'm not very into tragedies my favorite story about the Beast Wirt is that one about Wirt and Beatrice being a married couple which have to deal with the tired life of being slaves of the Beast. I think that the idea was very different of the usual settling used by the fans and the writing was good, I think that's something that I really like about this fandom, they use similar ideas but they make very different stories.
>>104592775>Beatrice is the only one who wants a healthy monogamous matrimony. What a lady.We really need a stacy vs betty or a virgin vs chad with these two ladies.
>>104574031Is...is this supposed to be sarcastic? That's the only way I can comprehend someone being so wrong.
>>104538843You seem to be assuming that simplicity is a defect.
>>104591685Its Beatrice face that really reminds me of Kate Beaton
>>104590148Bruh, Beatrice x Wirt is probably the biggest ship in the fandom. I mean Sara and Lorna seemed nice but only got a few episodes, so there's not much to base off
>>104576329It's just typical fandom stuff. No doubt it was inspired by Bill possessing Dipper in Gravity Falls. As mentioned elsewhere, it doesn't follow the show's logic, so I don't give it much thought.
>>104594440Which one would Beatrice be though?
>>104598576Hey man, I didn't know.It's not like we only have these threads like three months out of the year or anything.
>>104600836Not him but you made me remind many horrible crossover between OTGW and Gravity Falls, I don't know why but every time that someone tries to put them together the development is terrible, there is just one or two good stories with this idea. At this point I ask myself if they aren't a good combination after all.
>>104602609Mm... I don't know huh... Stacy? maybe Betty.
>>104594440>>104602609>>104603460Which one is the bitch with a heart of gold stereotype? Because Beatrice is that one.
>>104603808>>104603460Beatrice should definitely be Betty/Virgin
I feel like Beatrice would tell Wirt that his poetry and music are all just really bad.But she'd keep on asking him to read/play for her.
>>104602841Why's Beatrice much larger than Wirt? I kinda like it to be honest
>>104605102Probably be a cause The Guide is usually a parental figure in stories. And also before this book we'd never seen Wirt and Greg next to human Beatrice to see their relative heights.
>>104537957I’m scared. Will it ruin the show for me?>>104538843(You)
>>104588053Its death of the author not death to the author
>>104603444I have noticed a lot of OTGW and Gravity Falls cross overs and I really dont understand. Is like the idea that the Unknown is linked to the town or something?Also people really like to imagine Dipper and Wirt buttfucking it seems.
>>104606262Dipper and Wirt are perfect for each other.
>>104548939It was nice and it feels more like the series, but I'm not a fan of the love triangle. Just let Wirt and Beatrice be friends. OTGW was never about romance.The comics I remember liking was the first handful that focused on the Woodsman's daughter and Fred the Horse.They had a similair tone to the show, but the later stories got kind of fluffy and meandering.
>>104608248Love triangle is only really there for people looking for it
>>104562090>>104562335This stuff makes me glad CN intervened.Shipping was a mistake.
>>104608743People are, I hope, just equating Sara with the real world and Beatrice with the Unknown, rather than the choice literally being about them. I hope.
>>104609252Don't get your hopes high.
>>104610352I can at least take solace in knowing that, while I am a horrible shipping piece of shit, I dont twist the entire narrative of the original work to fit my imagination. It's okay for me to just think cute things look cute.
>>104604679Because she wants help him to improve it. Yeah that sounds like Beatrice... Nah, now that I think about it she openly recognized he was good playing music during the show.
>>104605247It will make you enjoy the characters even more.
>>104608248>Just let Wirt and Beatrice be friendsI think that it's better if Wirt and Sara are just friends because their relationship is less deep than Wirt and Beatrice.
>>104609252Nope the conflict is between both girls, at least in this comic. Beatrice won, if you don't notice it... what can I say?... you are very slow anon.
>>104592355Nah, it was OTGW comics edition 2017, aka "Dreamland" comics, they aren't canon and they used to have some good stories but mostly they were a little pointless.
>>104607948you are stupid anon
>>104612033I am rubber; you are glue.
>>104611863I meant more as to speaking to McHale's original ideas, not specifically this comic.
>>104612841In fact this comic is closer to McHale's original ideas (according to his interviews) than the show in certain aspects. According to him OTGW is a confrontation between Reality vs Fantasy and this element is represented by Beatrice (Reality) and Sara (Fantasy) so... this comic kinda respect the original show's elements and McHale's ideas. I'm not sure if the conflict exists in the show, but following McHale's interviews we can understand that Sara represents Fantasy inside of his mind when it comes to the show too.
>>104612837Not him but, what?
>>104613252Again it is more a choice of the fantasy or reality, rather than specifically the girls as love interests.
>>104608248There was no love triangle, both in the series and in the comic. For every instance you think something is a hint of a ship, there's always another explanation for it. Is Beatrice jealous that Sara is getting into a room with Wirt, or is Beatrice annoyed and having to pretend to act like a bird longer? Is she jealous of Sara for taking Wirt's time or is she jealous of Wirt for making it home while she's now the one stuck in a unknown place?
>>104612837fujo retarded or faggot so yeah, you are stupid anon
>>104613619That's the best part about fictional works, you can interpret it however you want, in the end.The problem is shippers tend to be the loudest and most obnoxious of the lot, connecting everything to their headcannon instead of using it in better ways like to make funny comics like this >>104577253I really hope I'm not like that any more.
>>104613576It has two layers of meaning, it's normal when it comes to OTGW.
>Love triangle>Not love quadrangleI'm really surprised by how much porn there is of Lorna. Jesus Christ.
>>104614057>>104613619Dumb anons, it's a romantic triangle and Beatrice is genuinely jealous of Sara even if she has other genuine reasons to be angry at Wirt (because she thinks that he doesn't care about her), it isn't subtle and the whole discussion is very dumb to be honest.Greg mentions how much Beatrice likes Wirt >>104548314 and part of Beatrice's nightmare is Wirt leaving her for Sara >>104547600>>104547618 only dumb people can't notice it or people who simply don't want to see it.
>>104614148>I'm really surprised by how much porn there is of Lorna. Jesus Christ.Really?
>>104577253*angry bird noises*
>>104614441Is that a "really" to there being porn of Lorna, or me being surprised at the amounts?
>>104575752Different anon. Don't act like the other guy is the dipshit. You can't even english or provide evidence or examples to your claims. Give us fucking examples. Point to scenes or moments. Otherwise you look like the cunt that claims shit in movies/stories/comics that never happened outside of headcanon.
>>104614148>much porn there is of LornaAnon, Can you spare some?
>>104614751I mean, there's literally a website for now...
>>104614458there being porn of Lorna.
>>104614476>Same anon pretending to be a different anon
>>104614855KEK yeah but with Sara and Beatrice.
>>104615151>>104614855>The Chad Beatrice>Some day you will die, and she will laugh.
>>104615189WONDEFUL I like it
>>104614855Funderberker strikes me as the kid that's forced to wear suits all the time. And that this is one of the reasons Wirt things he's cool.
>>104594440>>104614855>>104615151>>104615189This is from the last post, I hope you like it Anon
I already read it it was pretty good
>>104614855>>104616633You could add "Crush literally throws herself at him, and he still cucks himself" in light of this comic
>>104616869Seriously, what a fag.
So when is the next comic supposed to come out?
>>104618362I want to say next summer, but maybe thats the tradeHollow Town I think
>>104618362I love that tim burton like style.
>>104538876>>104538899how the fuck is she a bird again?I thought she broke that curse
>>104619700Read the thread - it takes place before they get on the boat to see Adelaide
Which one is /co/ approved?
>>104619874Damn that Sara is stacked.
>>104621054Shes the only one that has a ship, duh.
>>104547129>He is gonna be a hell of man.He grows up to become Murdercock Universe after all
>>104622544How on earth can plain Beatrice and flat-as-a-board Lorna even compete?
>>104624026Beatrice would cut that bitch.
I always felt that Wirt never interacting with human Beatrice was a mistake. I guess it's sort of nice to know that they'd met that way at least once.
>>104622000Better writing, better development, better personality, better personality, her lady like design is very good to make fanarts, her relationship with the protagonist is one of the good things in the story in general. (I like the motherly side that she has with Greg too)
>>104625045Freckle-faced, redheaded dork is no match for the voluptuous WOMAN that is Sara
>>104625114Please... Beatrice was competence for Sara when she was a bird now image her being a woman, it would be a complete annihilation she even has a mystic aura thing. >>104548496Wirt literally prefers her. >>104548652
>>104625216>Beatrice was competence for SaraWhat did he mean by this?
>>104627563I've been deciphering the mad ramblings of three year olds for a year now and I have no fucking idea what that means.
>>104627681>>104627563I think he meant competition, it's easy to catch
>>104628452But that would imply that Sara was ever any competition for Beatrice.
>>104625216Wirt didn't seem to broken up about leaving Beatrice and hooking up with Sarah though because nothing existed between Wirt and Beatrice in the show
>>104611795I don't like OTGW for shipping shit so I don't care who had a "deeper" relationship. Wirt and Sarah probably break up in a few years but that's not what was important.Wirt just had to take the initiative to get past his insecurities, stop treating others as barriers, and realise that what he wanted to do; confess to Sarah, was totally within his ability to accomplish. Actually focusing on a romantic relationship with either Beatrice or Sarah would have been a distraction. The core relationship of the series was between Wirt and Greg.
>>104629530OTGW really was a very well put together thing, even with all the cries of meddling and cut ideas. I really don't see what a real love subplot would have to add to it.
KILL THE AUTHOR
>>104629383>spoilerThe show deliberately leaves it ambiguous. There's enough material (in the show alone, not counting comics which have a whole new layer to it) there that you can't just dismiss it as nothing
>>104623154>He grows up to become Murdercock Universe after allanyone have that image that shows this, cause that's definitely a headcanon I can get behind
>>104617748100 thousands KEK
>>104619874When it was first aired, CO and uncle POL/ agree...Beatrice
>>104631881>>104623154>He grows up to become Murdercock Universe after allI don't understand this meme.
>>104632136the idea is that since we don't know the last name for Wirt & Greg, and that the exact time frame for them in the "Real World" at the end of OTGW is vague, some fans came up with the idea that OTGW Greg grows up to become Greg Universe(helps that we still don't know a lot about Greg's life or family prior to him arriving in Beach City and meeting Rose)
>>104632201Is that a character from that Steven Universe faggot show?
>>104632225yes, Greg is the father of the show's titular character
>>104624587I belive human Beatrice is so beatiful...maybe Wirt cant even talk with her...sorry for my bad english
[Probably the same person]>>104629530>Wirt and Sarah probably break up in a few years but that's not what was important.It most likely will never begin because Wirt's feelings for Beatrice and McHale's idea of her being different than Wirt wants of her, but that isn't important.>>104629792Probably something about the protagonist learning to look beyond the appearance or something like that, or directly nothing but McHale wants to write it anyway, it's a personal taste.
>>104632362She seems to be beautiful (maybe more than Sara) but Wirt doesn't have problems around her at least during their little moment, he probably has grown accustomed to her because their time together.Reference:>>104548496>>104548512>>104548652
Well this is looking like the end of the thread friends.Post em if you got em.
>>104632599*than what Wirt wants of her
>>104633476There are many fanarts of these two
>>1046337064Chan loves the idea of a poor fag with low self esteem banging a red haired qt...
>>104633875Is this the first time you've seen a character like Wirt, or are you just retarded?
>>104633892You must be new here in 4channel...
>>104632225>>104632291Greg is also the most likeable character in that show. Obviously a carryover from his previous show
Any ideas of an Over the Wall Christmas?
Welp till the next comic