Worthy of my grace editionPrevious Thread: >>3297925
Here's my thoughts on it:The love ---> like translation is consistent throughout the whole show. Shinji's line in the last episode: "Maybe I can learn to love myself" is changed to like as well.The only translation choice I'm iffy on is the 'worthy of grace' line, though all it does is make Kaworu's feelings towards Shinji seem more ambiguous, Shinji still seems genuinely in love with Kaworu.
>>3340533Also it's kind of funny that the translator outright admits it was a confession of love, and that he toned it down to make it more exciting for audiences / leave them guessing. (?)I don't know, it's a weird situation. But I don't think it changes much overall. It certainly doesn't pull a no homo like some are claiming.
>>3340461>>3340530How about just don't watch it?
Old = GoodNew = BadSoul vs. Soulless etc. etc.
>>3340533>>3340537Feel like whenever it's a gay relationship the changes of it being ambiguous goes up by 90%
Don't know what you're all complaining about, the new Netflix adaptation looks great
>>3340533Kaworu deigning to offer Shinji grace is very, uncharacteristically, and incorrectly lofty. The point is that Kaworu immediately meets Shinji where he is and feels affection for that. >>3340537Deliberately creating ambiguity to "leave people guessing" means they have to guess about whether there was homo or no homo.
>>3340572What's ironic is his intention was to leave people guessing but in the same post confirms it's supposed to be a confession of love
>>3340481China. China is anti-gay, and that’s the other market Netflix is going for.We should consider ourselves to even get Kaworu at all.
>>3340527i wish that i were worthy of grace
>>3340578Jesus Christ this is exactly the problem with the new dub. The point of the original is that Shinji, and (you) the pathetic viewer, are loved by an inscrutable, inexplicable, eldritch abomination who is calculatingly and mechanically devoted to your happiness, to the point of self termination when he realizes he isn’t helping and you’re too pathetic to even notice what’s in front of you. Kaworu represents a force that really, actually exists in nature which, in the simplest terms, loves you, unconditionally, and will force itself onto you until you’re happy, or remove itself from the picture. Evangelion is optimistic in that Shinji finally takes a fucking hint in the last two episodes, but god is Shinji stupid, and apparently Netflix too.
>>3340581>and (you) the pathetic viewerIt's true, but you shouldn't say it.
i spent the day painting this, i thought id share it here
>>3340631That’s lovely anon
>>3340631hey that's pretty good anon. people should make more OC.
>>3340631Really nice, anon, thanks for sharing.
>>3340631Nice. Do you have social media?
>>3340636I hope with netflix being brought back to relevence that more people with do so.>>3340634>>3340635>>3340657>>3340665thank you anons! I dont really have a sfw twit or make anything like what i posted often but,twitter.com/crybleatnsfw
I'm already starting to regret Eva coming to Netflix, what a timeline we live in where IGN is talking about Kawoshinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzLLBAohN-8
I've been following a lot of the discourse on Twitter, and according to some sources the awful Netflix translation is directly from Khara themselves. Basically they think the Western audience can't do nuance so everything has to be as literal as possible in order to not have people laugh at it.
>>3341853I've been following that too. So Funimation and idiots who saw that first screening of 3.0 at whatever con it was ruined everything. Cool.
>>3341853The translation is from Khara's in-house translator, doesn't make it correct or accurate. There's a lot of lines that are straight up omitted or wrong in the translation that people are pointing out. I don't think the rumor about it having to do with 3.0 is true, I watched the original dub at the convention and it hardly changed from the home release besides some really unnatural phrasing for some words.
>>3341905>I watched the original dub at the convention and it hardly changed from the home release besides some really unnatural phrasing for some words.I've heard this same thing from a friend who watched it at the convention. But it does make me wonder why Khara made such a stink about it then.
>>3341906It was cringey Anime fans being loud and obnoxious as usual.Notice how they start hollering and laughing whenever Kaworu and Shinji do anything, it's not the dialogue or how it's translated - it's the scenes themselves that the audience is freaking out about because haha gayshit so funny xDIf there was a member from Khara in the crowd I'd be mortified too, but this wasn't anything to do with the translation or the movie - it's just American Anime fans being cancer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-T0RZVB0mc
>>3341583just now you're regretting it? I loathed this news from the first announcement of it.
Does anyone know the artist of this? And, no; it isn't Cassino, but someone who calibrated with them.
Netflix and the 3.0+1.0 news is bringing all the old artists back
>>3340537Are people overreacting? Does the netflix sub ruin the show?
>>3342283No. The original dub/sub has not be erased from existence.
>>3342274AAAAAAAHHHHHHH MAGARIKOUJI MEGAMI-SAMA IS BACK AGAIN AFTER TWO YEARS.
Love it when gay needs to be "ambiguous", and hetshit doesn't.
>>3342560If his intention was to make it ambiguous he failed, the episode is still full-blown faggotry just like I remembered it to be
>>3340631Thats really nice anon!
>>3342601>If his intention was to make it ambiguousI don't fucking get this stupid meme. So Anno literally invites a whatshisname writer to simply because of the latter's experience with homo-erotic stuff to write or help write the Kawoshin stuff because he wanted the nature of Shinji-Kaworu relationship to be up for interpretation?Unless japanese logic is it's own beast i say something doesn't add up here.
>>3345184>whatshisname writerSatsukawa was one of the main writers on the show. He also wrote the script for a lot of Asuka's episodes.He was chosen to do ep 24 as well, because like Anno said, he's 'right on the mark when it comes to homoeroticism'. This translator's explanation is odd and makes no sense, especially so because according to his own tweet it seems he didn't even make the decision for that specific line's translation.
>first 10 minutes of 3.0+1.0 tomorrowI can't believe I bought a ticket to Anime Expo for this shit.
>>3346140it was TERRIBLE
https://yuki.la/m/8588335It's me.You may have forgotten
>>3340631really great anon!!
>>3347186wait aren't you _EXCITED_ for bonjour 3rd girl?IMO Anno just wants to watch the world burn. He deserves a Kaworu, idk.
>>3347381I'm really scared for Shinji, I hope Anno doesn't kill him off.
>>3347468After 3.33 it would be a mercy killing.
>tfw you arent shinji with qt kaworu bfwhy even live
>>3342274Cassino is back, my brothers
>>3349671That art doesn't look so good.
This is a little doodle I did. Hope you guys like it :)
>>3349657who knew kaworus arms were 27 feet long. jesus christ
>>3350742OC is always welcome
>>3350767kek what a nightmare. i never noticed
Kaworu shows up in a 3.0+1.0 preview before Shinkai's new movie, he's in boys:https://twitter.com/ACRIN/status/1152076748692967425https://twitter.com/kyoujinyouhei/status/1152069782050467841
>>3351626Some people seem to be jumping in conclusions quickly. Looked like a flashback/Shinji's delusions to me.
I did a doodle of what I think male asuka would look like but he looks too much like Shinji. Any feedback on design before I try doing a full illustration?
>>3351787You should give his hair a little more volume.
>>3351750No DSS choker so it can’t be a flashbackBackground confirms he’s at wille, so it’s either an illusion/spirit or he was revived
>>3351750Yeah first thing I assumed was Shinji seeing a hallucination out of guilt. Would be glad to be wrong though.
>>3351789Or it could be Shinji re-imagining him without the choker.Or it's Kaworu contacting him through the dead as some kind of Instrumentality ghost, like he and Rei did in EoE.Or this is another Rei Q situation and this Kaworu isn't the 'real' one that we know.Either way, something feels very off here.But I have a feeling he'll play a more important role than we realize, since the trailer saved him last for a reason, regardless of whether he's dead, alive, real and so on.
>>3351831>But I have a feeling he'll play a more important role than we realize, since the trailer saved him last for a reasonDefinitely. It was obvious he was at least getting 3-4 minutes of screentime like in EoE, but the way he's positioned in this trailer feels like more. Though i'll keep my expectations low, I do think with the way he was set up in 1.0/2.0 there's more in store for his role than what we got in 3.0.
>>3351626I am glad to see him again but I am going to keep my expectations low in any case. Megumi Ogata said that Anno presented her with two endings and asked her what she would prefer to go with as a satisfying conclusion to the story. I have not followed interviews from seiyuu but does she like Kaworu or the ship? Maybe it could gives us an idea.
>>3351871It's interesting that Anno came to her of all people to ask which ending she prefers. I was honestly worried they were going to kill Shinji off in final to 'redeem his sins' and end Eva for good as it is, but after hearing that I'm not so sure. I doubt she would pick an ending where Shinji dies.>but does she like KaworuYes, she likes Kaworu.>or the shipOgata has been rather vocal on how she doesn't ship Shinji with anyone. She thinks he's not in the mindset or of the stability to have a stable relationship with another, that he needs to work on himself and learn to love himself first before any of that.And I agree with her, I think having Shinji 'end up' with anyone is not how Eva should end. It wasn't like that in NGE and it shouldn't be like that in Rebuild either.
>>3351871I didn't know about this, I stayed some years out of here and Eva related stuff. Do you still have the original source?
>>3351889It's from the Eva event at Paris expo two weeks ago. Before they showed the 10 minute preview, Megumi Ogata came out and talked a bit about it.
>>3351884>Ogata has been rather vocal on how she doesn't ship Shinji with anyone. She thinks he's not in the mindset or of the stability to have a stable relationship with another, that he needs to work on himself and learn to love himself first before any of that.Then I trust her. I totally agree with her. As much as I love the pairing, I think to build a stable and good relationship, Shinji has to work with himself first and foremost. Kaworu just accepting everything, the good and bad along with Shinji's insecurities and fears, won't be any good. It's nice to see that she has such a healthy mind regarding Shinji, which shows how much she understands and loves him. I hope this is an ending that at least the fanbase likes or accepts. I am sure there will be butthurt with the Reifags and Asunafags (they have been going at it for YEARS) but as long as the characters get a satisfying ending, I am deal.
>>3352081The fans won’t like or accept any ending. There’s going to be butthurt no matter what. I’m just going to go into it with no expectations. I don’t think Kaworu is coming back but I want Shinji to remember him like the Sakura Nagashi song
>>3352133I think we can at least expect he'll be 'coming back' the same way he came back in EoE
>>3352133>The fans won’t like or accept any ending. There’s going to be butthurt no matter whatit would have helped if the rebuilds ─ specially 2 and 3 ─ hadn't butchered much of what was subtle about the franchise already.End of Evangelion was a good movie and end for the anime. The anime ending was decent and fitting, even if affected by rushed production. I don't want to hate 3.0+1, and I want to see what Anno has been spending his time on. But I just don't have much hope for it...>I don’t think Kaworu is coming backOne thing that could be interesting is Kaworu coming back with a new body like Rei has been doing for a while now. It was established that there were several sarcophagus on the moon, I'd imagine they are Kaworu clones.> weird gay dude teaches me piano> I can't hold my lance in my pants> he blows up> wtf he's back but he doesn't remember shit?still makes more sense than making asuka a 28yo loli with an eyepatch.
Is there somewhere where one can read about all the production issues of the series?
shinji is an incel your ship sucks
Would you rather Shinji alone and dead or alive but ends up with Asuka?
>>3352546I'd rather have an ending that's significant and conclusive to the Rebuild movies than dumb shipshit.NGE/EoE wasn't about Shinji getting laid, and if Anno has any integrity, it won't be what Rebuild is about either.
>>3352546Shinji is one of my favorite characters and I'll be pretty upset if he ends up with Asuka. Not because of shipshit (which shouldn't be a focal point of the movie at all, really), but because they really bring out the worst in each other and I don't want a character I love so much to be condemned to that. It'd be a huge bummer. But I really don't want him to die, either. This is a cruel choice, anon.
>>3352546Rebuild Asuka is like 28 years old now, it has less of a chance of happening than Shinji and Gendo buttfucking on screen
>>3352584shinjigendo will be canon then
>>3352798gen-ji > shi-ka
Is there any canon shirtless Shinji to match Kaworu? Not naked.
>>3352546Tough choice cause i want Asuka to end up with Misato
>>3353393God damn that is some patrician taste you have anon
I don't even buyfag, but..https://eva-fan.com/blog-entry-5980.html
>>3354001The wings really give it the tackiness to make it unforgettable.
>>3353391never knew I needed this, thanks anon.
Initially got my knowledge of evangalion through KawoShin. As cringy as it may sound, is that enough for me to get into the show ?. I'm genuinely interested from all that I've heard, though it intimidates me abit how much stuff there's for the show.I don't wanna watch the Netflix version due to its toned down version plus I've heard there's a ton of remakes / stuff that covers parts of the 1995 show. Sorry if this is abit long but has anyone got possibly a link to a graph or just any advice based on my question.=) And apologies again, decided to drop by since I'm also a massive danganronpa fan and it's undeniable how much Nagito Komaeda was influenced by Kowaru
>>3354095Don't watch Evangelion for Kawoshin. It's a perfectly great show on its own with/without that.Sephirotic's release is generally considered to be the best: https://nyaa.si/view/831686If you must, you can watch it on Netflix. Their translation doesn't really tone anything down, it just lessens the impact of some scenes due to its more literal translation.Watch order: NGE episodes 1-26 (Make sure you're watching the Director's Cut versions for episodes 20-24)Then you can go on to the movie End of Evangelion. Death and Rebirth is just a recap for fans who have already watched the show.\If you still want more Eva after all this, you can move onto the Rebuild moves - there's currently three that have been released and the final one is set for next year. But don't expect much, it's inferior to NGE/EoE in every single way.
>>3354222I see. I'll just treat KawoShin as the cherry on top, from what I've seen looks like a great show anyways. And thanks for the viewing help, longest show I tried before this was Bakemonogatari and I just abandoned it due to confusion so I wanted to do the classic justice.
This is a poignant metaphor about the modern dynamic between men and women.
>>3353393Asuka ending up with anyone would ruin the point of asuka
If anyone has any pictures of draftworu to share I'd greatly appreciate it
>>3354776Meant for >>3354703
>>3355163Thanks for sharing.
Thoughts on Karl?
>>3356577He’s an ok character on his own but he’s so radically different from Anime Kaworu
>>3354669you ending up with anyone would ruin the point of you
>>3356577he's by far the best looking and also the least likable. just like actual men.
>>3357013A fan nickname for Manga!Kaworu
>>3358898Best boy carrying best team
kawoshin isn't canon go outside
>>3359927kawoshin is canon go outside
>>3351842>Though i'll keep my expectations low, I do think with the way he was set up in 1.0/2.0 there's more in store for his role than what we got in 3.0.I totally agree. I was expecting a different kind of Kaworu, only to get blue balled by Qworu. I really do not like Qworu haha
>>3360642The different haircut/shirt colors made me think they were two different Kaworus, but who knows
>>3361349Since 1996, baby.
>>3340533They should've said fuck it and went with the first draft dialogue>SHINJI: To tell you the truth, I was avoiding you. Next to you, I'm such a pathetic excuse for a person…… I feel like I'm going to go crazy when I'm with you, but, when I can't see you…… I feel so, so anxious…… And when I thought about how you shouldn't spend your life with someone as pathetic as me…… I just felt like dying……
>>3363015>>SHINJI: To tell you the truth, I was avoiding you. Next to you, I'm such a pathetic excuse for a person…… I feel like I'm going to go crazy when I'm with you, but, when I can't see you…… I feel so, so anxious…… And when I thought about how you shouldn't spend your life with someone as pathetic as me…… I just felt like dying……>tfw the feel is so real i want to bring out the steel
>>3363015The frafts are edgy as fuck, but I like how Shinji's yandere nature is still in ep 24
im glad this ship is canon so I can self insert and pretend to shower shinji with love until he's happy to wake up every morningno homo
ITS OKAY TO BE GAY AND REJOICE WITH THE BOYS IN THE GAY WAY
>>3363296Same except I self insert as Shinji and pretend Kaworu was born to meet me and thinks I'm worthy of love
>>3363292The [spoiler]girlfriend of steel? [/spoiler]>>3363293Killing yourself isn't very yandere
>>3363297Ha ha ha ha ha was better
>>3363362Wanting to perform a shinjuu with the boy you have a crush on is pretty yandere.
>>3363292Imagine how happy Shinji is when someone he admires as much as Kaworu acknowledges him
>>3353391>>3354044Please help, Kaworu has a shit ton but it’s so hard to find for Shinji
>>3364576What do you mean? There's a few episodes where he's shirtless in the Anime but if you're talking about official art then it's pretty few.
>>3363332Me too anon
>I have no reason to exist>I just want to everything to end...>Nothing will change for you if you keep sulking like that!>Who are you?>I'm the pilot of the Type Eva Shinkalion 500!>Why do your eyes look so hopeful...!?>There's always hope, no matter what!>I bet someone like you doesn't even need Kaworu-kun...>I bet you haven't even lost anyone important to you in the first place...>That's not true, my father is away on his 5th annual business trip!>AAAHHH, I can't take this anymore...
New Cassino doujinshi soonhttps://twitter.com/maagall/status/1164831490611404802
give me some funny doujins. im not gay so it feels a lot better when the doujins are funny
>>3369158What does being gay have to do with enjoining two guys who like each other be happy?Don't be a fag anon,do you own homework.
>>3369167thats what i said. its got nothing to do with it being actually being gay, which im not. im just feel like im toeing the gay line less when im giggling. and fine, if i post one will you post onehttps://pururin.io/gallery/4580/hole-circumstances-of-my-secret
>>3369176>im just feel like im toeing the gay line less when im giggling.I know what you mean anon, I sure feel more heterosexual whenever I have a good laugh, like with your post.
>>3369158>I'm not gaywhatever helps you sleep at night
>>3369176>gyomaniaI hate this chick's artsyle.
>>3369176>pururinDude just use sadpanda like a normal human being...
>>3368143It's not new, it's a reprint of an anthology of her older works.
>>3369735She says in her tweet that there's a new work being included in it
>>3369747You're right, I'm retarded. I wish I cared more for the NO stories, since ENDLIGHT is one of my favorite doujins ever.
>>3371819Is this official?
>>3371821Pretty sure it's edited. The official one has Shinji in a butler uniform like Kaworu's.
The nips are drawing art of it so I can't complain
Even with Toji, Kensuke, Kaji, and Kaworu being confirmed to come back in the final movie I know it's going to be dogshit regardless.
What's everyone's opinions on characters that have taken inspirations from Kowaru like Nagito from Danganronpa or any other member of the "mysterious white hair" gang
>>3373025I tend to like Kaworu expies more than Rei expies because at least they're interesting characters in their own right instead of just shallow superficial imitations of the original.
>>3371820Translated. I'm loving all of this maid Shinji popping up art all of a sudden.
>>3372874>The official one has Shinji in a butler uniformAbsolutely disgusting. Shinji was made to wear cute skirts.
>>3373025I fucking love komaeda, komahina definitely takes heavy cues from kawoshin but its also a great ship on its own>>3373270you get it
>>3373683How? Komaeda doesn't act anything like Kaworu, he's just voiced by Shinji's seiyuu
>>3373697Komaeda is definitely more crazy/unhinged/morally grey but to me its less like theyre totally different personalities and more like komaeda is a supercharged crazy kaworu. Also their tendencies to go on philosophical tangents, both being light-haired, both being helplessly devoted to their love interests to the point of asking them to kill them; it reminds me more of manga kawoshin though than nge or q
>>3373741Yeah, taking Hajime's personality into account I can only see it being similar to Karl/Shaun
>>3351884She apparently misspoke at that event, Anno asked her last year if she was Shinji, what decision she would make relating to a scene in the middle of the movie, not the ending of the movie.She also says she's done voice acting for about half of the movie so far and she doesn't know the specifics of what's going to happen in the final half yet.https://twitter.com/Megumi_Ogata/status/1148092079098253312
New thread: >>3375620