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Anyone know a good brand for tea length petticoats? I've started wearing underskirts and need a mid-calf length petticoat to accommodate the extra length and weight.
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>>10304505
I don’t and almost every lolita I know has some sort of emergency fund so they can buy dream dresses or new releases in a snap.
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>>10304693
Malco Modes makes some tea length pettis, although I can’t tell if those are good.
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>>10304693
Doesn’t meliketeas have tea-length pettis? I can’t speak for them specifically but their short pettis are great.
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Fatties on RC talking about destroying dresses to make them fit.
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>>10304693
I tried on some from Maxicimam I believe, they were very poofy too. Although considering my length they are probably floorlength on most people.
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>>10304806
fuck off
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>>10304806
it makes me sad for multiple reasons. like you're destroying a dress and making its value 0$ with those alterations. i say this bc i see so many of them try to sell these altered dresses for high prices like why get into the fashion and do this if youre going to sell everything a month later... also feel the same about skellies that alter dresses. dont alter brand for the love of god. there's not many in the world and the ones they alter arent ones with mutliple re-releases...
i also feel bad for them, like its completelty valid to want to feel pretty and wear lolita. but theres taobao brands and some american ones coming up to cater to large sizes, go there instead of destroying things.
AP has said they wont change their sizings/ do a s/m/l. I feel like baby might give size options in years to come, but the others have already said no. the cost of making all those sizings isn't worth it to companies, they're making enough bank catering to asian sizings.

side topic: why are busty lolitas so against binding like it'll save you so much hassle. you'll find you can fit more when you make your bust smaller. and if your bust is such an extreme issue for you health and clothing/fashion... look at surgery. theres options.
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>>10304931

>use binders all the time which long term can be unhealthy and uncomfortable
>alter your body with surgery to fit clothes instead of altering your clothes
>buy taobao even though you WILL get judged by people and the quality is often objectively lower than a lot of brand

I'm busty but not fat and I find the weird ride or die for brand attitude ridiculous. I prefer to just buy stuff that fits off the rack but people can do whatever the fuck they want with THEIR clothes that they paid for. People acting like anything brand or lolita that other people own is somehow communal property that the community at large gets any say in is taking this fashion too seriously. It's like to some people brand is a religion and if you alter it you're committing blasphemy against the lolita gods. It's just fucking clothes. Cute clothes but just clothes.

Maybe these comments are from people who wish they owned the item being dismantled for altering. Poor alterations make me cringe too but they wasted their own money not mine so why do people find it so offensive or awful?
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>>10304931
Binding doesn't really change your chest measurement, it just shifts everything around, and while that can help with the fit on some pieces, it's not going to shave off the 5-10cm you need to fit into a too small dress. Because of the way binding makes your boobs pancake out too, you might end up with weird fit issues around the underbust or armpits.
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>>10304931
This. I'm petite and busty so I find ways to minimize my chest, plus huge boobs really ruin the aesthetic of lolita. It goes from looking elegant and aristocratic to bar wench really fast when your tits exceed your petti poof.
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>>10304937

I am also petite and busty and while I don't overly accentuate my chest thete is a point at which you can't help your body without surgery which is extreme for something purely cosmetic (breast reductions are somehat higher risk procedures).

I just stick with stuff that has shirring. The assumption though that large chests make things less elegant or more sexualized is a problem in society as a whole I feel. We shouldn't get stereotyped or judged based on natural parts of our bodies we can't help and being busty doesn't make someone unable to be classy or elegant or cute.
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>>10304939
Fair point. I suppose I mean the types of people who make no effort to match the type of bra or shapewear with their outfit and look sloppy. Different cuts of dresses can benefit from how your boobs are being distributed underneath.
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>>10304931
I don't understand why you'd want to wear a fashion targeted to asians. How do you see a nonslimming style on asian models, and think "Ill look right in this" when you're plus sized and/or tall? Also, it's never just the breasts that keep people from fitting. You can have a large cup size and still fit if your band size isn't huge.
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>>10304931
wearing a binder just shoves all my boob-fat into my armpits, which looks awkward
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>>10304931
Eh I don't care what people do with dresses they own. Trying to sell them for more later doesn't even offend me - it's a free market, if someone wants to pay that much they will and if they don't then that person will have to lower their price to get it to sell, simple.
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>>10304931
I’m not even busy, but my weird proportions and wide rib cage makes my B cups look awkward in anything that isn’t generously shirred. I wear a minimizer bra but it only helps so much.
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>>10304948
Alert! No one but Asians are allowed to wear lolita, a very asian fashion!! If you're not of asian descent you need to sell all your shit right away.
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>>10304931
I got halfway through this, zoned out, and thought I was reading pasta.

I agree that alterations decrease value in a hobby where a lot of people are somewhat "collectors" in addition to wearing the dresses. But not to 0!

Also you seem new, Baby did sizes in the past and fatties wouldn't pay for new brand. IW does sizes and is super unpopular, there are only 3 stores as opposed to over a dozen Baby and AP stores, and it doesn't hold its value worth a shit compared to other brands.

I agree that we should not encourage alterations since it looks bad usually, and that fat lolitas should stick to custom sized brands who know how to make giant dresses with the right amount of fabric and good cuts for larger people
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>>10304931
People who recommend binders or sports bras must be slow. Boobs aren’t magical, they’re not made of sponge and they can’t shrink or compress, you can just move the mass around. Both of those items just flatten them which make your bust squish below the bust darts into the waist area or into the armpits. Neither are flattering. The best choice is a bra that lifts them up and doesn’t do so with padding but with structure and support, such as a long line bra
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>>10305004

Indie and taobao that do custom sizes usually just take the cuts they make for skinny girls and enlarge them; I rarely see them redesign stuff especially for large busted or overweight people. It'll look bad either way if you're fat. Being busty doesn't make wearing brand impossible. It just limits what items you can fit.

Again, I really don't see why "we" should discourage alterations when these dresses are people's personal property, not something anyone else should have a say in. If it ends up looking bad then they get posted in the ita thread/just look bad. It only hurts them not you.

I really just feel like people are against alterations in general because of a weird holy attitude towards brand and because they are hoping no one alters stuff because they personally want to be able to fit into anything they want that comes up for sale so they insert themselves into people's personal choices of what to do with their own brand that they purchased.

It's all weird entitlement.
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>>10305014
Maybe it's weird entitlement but until Moitie starts rereleasing the nice shit I will keep scouring secondhand sites with bated breath
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What's the Western community's general consensus on replica shoes these days? I remember back in the LJ days, it was fine to say you bought your shoes from Antaina and such, but I see gulls becoming increasingly triggered about replica shoes on CoF threads and the like.
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>>10305053
Gulls are autistic, most people don’t care
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BTSSB Strawberry Garden Print JSK
>https://twitter.com/BABY_THE_STARS/status/1205745604623601665
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>>10305014
I can see why would people be against alterations. Every piece adds up chances for them to acquire their wish item. The less not modified pieces in a wild the less chances to buy it eventually.
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VM - Wunder Garden Series
Colours:
>Black
>Ivory
>Purple
>Peacock

Outer material: 100% polyester (Shantung)
Lining: 100% polyester
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Wunder Garden Ribbon Overdress (Wunder gardenリボンオーバードレス)
Price: 39,600 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 108 cm
Shoulder width: 34.5 cm
Sleeve length: 60 cm
Sleeve opening: 20 cm
Bust: 89 cm
Waist: 70 cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/201MOP02.html
Note: Slightly high waist
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Wunder Garden Bustier Dress (Wunder gardenビスチェドレス)
Price: 39,600 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 105 cm
Shoulder width: 33 cm
Sleeve length: 63.5 cm
Bust: 94 cm
Waist: 70.5 cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/201MOP01.html
Note: Ribbon with pin is detachable.
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Wunder Garden Elegant Dress (Wunder gardenエレガントドレス)
Price: 33,000 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 105 cm
Bust: 88 cm
Waist: 71.5 cm

http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/201MOP03.html
Note: Just waist
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>>10305092
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Wunder Garden Lace-Up Skirt (Wunder gardenレースアップスカート)
Price: 29,700 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 72cm
Hight Waist: 74 cm
Waist: 71 cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/201MSK01.html
Note: High waist and waist measurements are adjustable with the ribbon.
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Wunder Garden Ribbon Hat (Wunder gardenリボンハット)
Price: 13,750 yen (tax incl.)

Head circumference: 44.5 cm
Brim: 6 cm
Height: 5.5 cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/201VMH01.html
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Reservation period: 13th Dec 10:00 JST to 23rd Dec 23:59 JST
All reservations of main pieces come with a matching choker.
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>>10305004
>IW is super unpopular.
Sweetfags really are braindead. Tell me about how moitie is dead because there aren't any stores at all.
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>>10305070
This is so fucking cute. Might actually buy something from Baby for the first time in a while
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>>10305163
Nayrt but they were right about the majority of IW not holding value. They're doing fine though so they have a loyal customerbase but are unpopular outside of it
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>>10305163
Iw is unpopular, it’s cheap though but most ppl wait for sales to buy. It doesn’t have much resale besides a small handful of dresses.

I wouldn’t say that the sizing is why they are unpopular though, it’s mostly boring
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>>10305014
I will buy every dress catering to bigger sizes and every dress with shirring and will have it altered to fit XXS.
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talking about IW, does anyone have side-to-side comparison for original and rerelease Lotta colors? what's the difference between those shades?
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>>10305053
Buy replica shoes if you want, but they look like shit.
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>>10305163
IW doesn’t really sell that well, most dresses don’t sell out until they go on sale, and it’s ridiculously cheap in the secondhand market.
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>>10305182
>imagine being this mad that other people look different from you
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>>10305191
Okay larper
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>>10305200
Just because I’m calling you for ugly feet out I’m a larper? As what?

I don’t have a problem with people buying Taobao/offbrand shoes, I own some too, but replica shoes always look off. Original designs are better.
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>>10305204
>replica shoes always look off.
nta but this is such a meme. burando shoes and replicas are made in the same tier of chinese factories.
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I don’t remember these socks to be released before. Seems like another regal-themed print is coming up.
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>>10305212
Aren’t those the Antique Crown socks?
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secrets
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>>10305220
My bad, anon, they are
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>>10305172
Do it anon, you'll look cute as a button
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>>10305182

Cool, fucking do it, it's your money. Me and my cow titties will just wait for the items I want in my size like a normal patient person you angry little chihuahua.
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>>10305070
Didn't want to ruin the fun for you gulls who like it, but I feel really meh towards it.
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>>10305233
I think there was a release in spring that looked really similar
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>>10305239

I could have sworn something like this already came out as well. This print having other berries on it may make it match that one free pochette that came came with a mook.
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>>10305182
Nayrt but I agree with her. I'm really tiny and actually been doing that for almost 15 years. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Once you buy it it belongs to you and you can do whatever you want with it.
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>>10305229
That button IS adorable, and I love this fabric texture so much... What was the last AATP release that had that fabric? They don't use it much anymore, right?
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>>10305244

Exactly. Whether you make it bigger or smaller as well it's your own item and you owe nothing to people of another size in the lolita community.

And if you do eventually want to give the item up it becomes niche and has higher value for really large or really small people who want to be able to have something that fits them well too and allows them to feel comfortable in the fashion as well.

The only people who lose are people mad that their dream dress popped up altered to a size that doesn't fit them.
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>>10305182
Then do it, flattie. It's your right because it's your property. Lolita dresses are not communal.
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>>10305247

This is my favorite fabric from BABY; the little hatch crosses all over it add to the texture and something about the natural roughness of it feels comfy and nice compared to lots of overly smooth and perfect polyester or chiffon.
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>>10305248
>The only people who lose are people mad that their dream dress popped up altered to a size that doesn't fit them.
It actually is frustrating. Why can’t they feel bad?
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>>10305252
Agreed. It’s not our fault they’re fat, and in a fashion with such an emphasis on having a secondhand market it would be nice if they felt guilty, even if they ruin the dress anyway.
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>>10305251
It’s mine too. Every time they make a dress with this fabric I get really excited.
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>>10305252

It is frustrating for sure and you can feel disappointed but some people attack or get really angry over people altering their own property as if they deserve a say just cause they also want the item.

It's just clothes and whoever owns them can make them bigger or smaller.
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>>10305254

In what world is it okay to make people feel guilty for making their own clothes fit them?

It's not our fault they're fat (or skinny, thin people alter their dresses too) but it's also not their fault we're a different size and were too poor or slow or whatever else to buy the dress when they could and they we each other nothing.
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wow there so much gull circle jerking about fatties in this thread. Nothing about this opinion has changed so why gulls feel the need to go off about fatties in burando all the damn time?
Fucking obsessed.
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>>10305212
why tf is the fabric so shiny? It's awful. I'd call the purse cute if it wasn't just a factory randoseru with studs and a flat bow stuck onto it. The trim literally looks like it belongs on a lampshade rather than a dress. Compare THIS to the new Baby strawberry dress >>10305229
and suddenly Baby looks SO much higher quality.
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>>10305273
Lampshade fringes are fancy and decadent
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>>10305254
Your comment makes no sense, it's the fat girls ruining dresses with bad alterations. Making things smaller you can leave the original fabric so it can be let back out again
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Can we just stop this discussion about brand altering? It literally makes no sense. Some people are upset about not fitting brand, another are upset about brand losing its original condition. There’s nothing to even discuss.
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>>10305204
I own a pair of AP tea parties and they’re identical to my Secret Shop pair.
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>>10305278

If you make something smaller you should generally remove excess fabric or it will add volume or bunch weird.

But as >>10305282 said it's just people with different perspectives and everyone has their own personal struggle or frustration in the fashion. Maybe there should be a thread with the topic of alterations if anyone wants to make one, though I doubt it will be more than petty arguments and people calling others fatties, skellies, poorfags, or whatever else for having any different opinions on the subject so it might be a waste of a thread.
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>>10305285

Secret Shop and maybe Antaina (?) have great quality tea parties. Any offbrand that actually does the work of stitching the sole to the faux leather rather than just using adhesive/glue like Bodyline will often last me far longer with daily wear. I've since changed my style to frumpy old school though and mostly wear various kinds of vintage Doc Martens mary janes and oxfords now and those are always so thick in the sole they never tear apart or wear out the way tea parties do.
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Why is it that when the brand shoe vs replica shoe debate comes up, no one ever mentions that brand shoes stop at a size 8.5-9. What do yall expect people with size 10+ feet to do?
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>>10304935
>>10305014
>>10305248
>>10305249
>>10305256
Oh my fucking god we get it. Brand is private property, personal property, not community property, not public property, not communal property, your property, you can do with it whatever you want, it's just clothes and everyone who dares to critizise it or disagrees is entitled and takes lolita too seriously. Keep daydreaming about destroying dream dresses on cam to spite those ebil gulls who don't like mutilating sought after dresses and larping as richfag because you're too fat to fit into half of your wardrobe. Seriously, how many more threads are you going to whine about it? Deal with the fact that some people don't like your modifications or just loose weight already jesus christ.
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>>10305289
I didn’t complain about brand modification because I considered doing that myself. Although I feel like I shouldn’t do anything to my clothes because now it feels like SJW thing to do.
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>>10305298

Is it that many threads that people are complaining? I don't think anyone has supported any awful alterations like that poor mutilated BABY dress and people are pretty reasonable in their discussion of it. There's just a handful of folks today in particular who disagree with decisions on alterations (with the ones against them seeming to be more aggressive overall)

As someone who lost weight and still has too big of a bust to fit a lot of older or classic brands, I just stick with stuff that I know fits off the hanger because altering someone else's work is harder for me than just making a whole dress myself. It limits my wardrobe but makes my life easier.

But if people want to do it (especially altering to make things smaller now that many brands are trending upwards in sizing, especially AP) that's on them to deal with the work, judgement, or effect on the resale value of the item. Or the anger of seething smaller/larger people who could have fit it at the original size.
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>>10305299

Altering things should be left to professional seamstresses if people want the item to be nice, but there isn't anything political or social justice about wanting your items to fit better. You don't have to be plus sized to want things tailored better, even at small sizes we all have different shapes.
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>>10305298
imagine being this mad about something like this
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>>10305302
>Is it that many threads that people are complaining?
No it's just one muh property anon who's eternally butthurt over people who don't like alterations to the point she poluted several confession threads and generals with her autism, because one person years ago on fb said her modifications on a rare dress are shit.
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>>10304931
>altering a dress- $200
>breast reduction surgery- $5000
>permanently damaging your health with binders- priceless
you seriously think people should get surgery and wear binders instead of altering their clothes? you didn't even mention weight loss as an option, are you retarded
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for those of you complaining about resale value, I've bought about 4 different altered dresses this year. They were altered for other people but fit me just fine. They fit better than some of the unaltered brand dresses.
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>>10305307

I get the feeling more than one person thinks you can do what you want to your dresses you paid for.

But if it really is one person with a vendetta from years ago they seem unnecessarily offended/dedicated to proving their sewing/alteration skills or something.

>>10305308
To be fair to them they were probably referring to busty people who are not fat but still have large chests, meaning they'd have to be legitimately sick or anorexic to lose enough weight to get rid lf their breasts outside of surgery. In cases like that altering the clothes makes more sense than your body though. The person who said that clearly is not super large chested and doesn't get why those options aren't as viable as they think so they probably were just trying to be helpful even if the advice wasn't great.
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I remember myself thinking about buying this and re-making into dress. Not like I own it tho, but idk now.
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>>10305310

Yeah there really is a market for altered brand. Most alterations I see on LM are actually just lengthening or repositioning straps on JSKs to suit taller people, not the ones destroying dresses or using fabric from waist ties.
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>>10305315
Yup! Most of mine had altered straps and that's why they fit better one me.
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>>10305314

Not a goth but if that's iron gate be prepared for Moitiefags to brutally attack you for altering a rare piece unless you do an immaculate job. This seems like it'd be easy to turn into a simple A line JSK though and would look quite nice.
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>>10305317

Yeah for me some pieces will fit with just straps altered and some I have bought were the kind where they added an inch or two of fabric from waist ties. I prefer cardigans so I never wear my waist ties anyway and the seller will often discount those listings is they are missing part of the original dress so it all works out for me. Once I lost weight I sold a lot of my altered stuff no problem.
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>>10305297
thank you! This!
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>>10305321

I have small feet and have always felt bad for my larger footed friends who either can't fit some sizes at all or their larger size is more popular in the west and gets snatched up and sold out quickly. I'm more in support of design replicas for shoes because of the limited sizes of Japanese brands. You can lose weight to fit a dress but you can't change your foot size to fit shoes.
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>>10305270
It's interesting too since so many gulls are actually fat.
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>>10305336
Oh I'm sure they're all just larping as thin uwu so smol princesses.
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>>10305247
Baby uses this fabric quite a lot!
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>>10305175
I love IW because my style borders on sweet and classic and that's what they're all about. I love the more muted colours and simple designs with sweet animal prints.
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>>10304693
me.likes.tea
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Almost every time I've bought from a gull the piece has arrived in much worse condition than described with gross stains and yellowing... the only time it's been fine was when I purchased from a gull that already had 40 positive feedback on lacemarket.

Basically, if someone doesn't have any lacemarket feedback or dislikes selling there because it's "too much of a hassle" they're probably a shitty seller. Avoid them.
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>>10305340
Nayrt and yeah, but if we’re specifically talking about AATP they don’t use it as much.
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>>10305338
Sorry you’re fat
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>>10305358

I always do my sales through LM and have anyone I buy from via FB sales groups list the item there for me as well so I can see their feedback. If they have negative feedback or seem shady I don't buy from them.
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>>10305298
>just loose weight already
I alter to fit my bust, not my waist. My breasts are not going anywhere no matter what. Sorry that you have A cups and are so mad about this.
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>>10305321
>>10305324
I’m glad someone gets it
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>>10305297
I would’ve bought shoes from BtSSB by now if it hadn’t been for my giant feet. There’s Taobao and Bodyline, but I’m always worried about unintentionally choosing a brand replica/knockoff. Is Cotton Candy Feet worth trying?
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>>10305389
Imagine not knowing that boobs gain and loose weight too
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>>10305397

To some extent but weight gain usually affects band size (which still contributes to overall volume somewhat) more than cup size. If you're not overweight and you have a large cup size with small or normal band size losing weight won't change much. I lost weight for lolita and still have bust measurements and size that don't fit some brand. And at times it isn't just the volume but the actual cup size the pattern is drafted for so even if you technically fit within the measurements the cut can end up unflattering without making adjustments.
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>>10305360
I don't believe you're thin.
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>>10305358
that's just your experience. I've bought from several different gulls and even sold to one and everything I received was golden.

I had to ask here once to get some fucking clean socks. Someone immediately delivered and I still have those socks and they're in lovely condition.
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>>10305397
Imagine not knowing how anatomy works
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>>10305397
Imagine being female and not knowing how breasts work. Breasts are made from things other than pure fat. If you're already slim, losing weight isn't going to make your breasts much smaller as your band size/"back fat" isn't big in the first place.
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>>10305394
Ehhh. I have a couple pairs, the low heel and the high heel and they're OK. Better than Antaina. The heels seem sturdy, the fit is good, and they have a nice sole. My main complaint is that they don't hold up if they get wet. The high heel version I have is buckling around the toe.
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>>10305402
I don't know how half the socks on LM get that bad. Discoloration from shoes is one thing, like when new red shoes transfer to the socks, but how do you end up totally destroying your socks with sweat and dirt stains? Do they let them sit and not wash them right after they're worn? I've never even had regular socks get that bad. I'd be embarrassed to sell socks in that condition...
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>>10305421
Pretty sure most people don't do laundry every day anon. After wearing socks 10-15 times they start getting greyed in my experience
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>>10305421
>used socks
I can't believe people are willing to buy that at all. Barf
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>>10305423
I don't do laundry every day either, but if something is noticeably dirty I don't let it sit. Grayed out and faded colors from repeated washing is one thing, the feet of the socks looking crusty when you put them up for sale is another.
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>>10305426
Most of my plain otks look pretty crusty from pilling on the soles but I've worn them dozens of times. That being said I wouldn't list them for sale on LM in that state, but I guess some people would buy them if they were cheap
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>>10305014
Bingo
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>>10305270
the sky is blue, the earth is round, and gulls will always eat bait
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Lolibrary is down. Really annoying, I wanted to check if Dark Night Guardian has multiple cuts.
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>>10305492
Yes, I know there's at least two jsk cuts. Might be three
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>>10305389
No one cares, just stop shitting up threads with your sperging. Also lmao @ thinking I have to have a cups to find you bitching for several YEARS over a dozen threads annoying.
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>>10305497

They aren't the only people commenting on it. It's multiple different anons who have similar thoughts. But resorting to insulting chest sizes or weight just because people disagree is a waste of time.
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>>10305512
Of course there are people with similar thoughts on alterations but not to the point they repeat the same 4 phrases over and over again and add the same personal info like that sperg.
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>>10305421
All light coloured socks develop stains eventually from repeated wears. I wouldn't sell them in that condition but it's pretty normal if you wear clothing on a regular basis.
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>>10305421
>>10305543
To clarify this I don't think it's sweat stains, it's stains from walking around indoors. Unless the floor is perfectly clean, the soles are gonna darken.
So maybe the difference is you don't wear socks indoors?
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>>10305405
>Imagine being female and not knowing how breasts work.
Don't kid yourself, it's a guy shitposting.
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>>10305433
this wasn't someone baiting though. This was just some loser who felt the need to screech an opinion that's fucking played out because they knew they could get replies.
This isn't bait because it's something that's real and gulls definitely think this way. This place is such an echo chamber for fatty hate it's retarded.
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>>10305533
you would be surprised how often anons will imitate each other and just repeat what other anons say. Those people aren't here to be sincere, they're just here to stir shit.
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>>10305544
Its also from shoes, those tend to leave stains. Its sadly going to happen to white socks especially the nylon kind.
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>>10305554
Nayrt but you don't have to be a guy to think that? Hourglasses often shrink breast sizes when they lose weight. It all depends on fat distribution but it's not impossible to loose weight on the boobs/bust if you go low enough.

>>10305558
Nothing in those post indicated they were stiring shit except the one where she larps.
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Preview of an upcoming JetJ series
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>>10305579
holy shit are you getting trolled.
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Is anyone else having issues with unresponsive buyers on LM? I sold 2 brand pieces for literally peanuts (both under $50)and neither buyer has responded in a week. I get that it’s the holidays and people are trying to save up but holy shit don’t bid/buyout listings that you don’t intend on really purchasing then!
And yes, I did leave them negative feedback just now.
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>>10305004
>IW does sizes
IW sizes are terrible. They have from M to L only, which means it's either too large or too small for most people. (the sizes usually vary in 2 or 8cm only). I love their releases, cuts and colors, but I can't buy anything from them, except very specific pieces, because of the stupid sizing.
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>>10305721
Keep an eye on them, especially the more simple OPs tend to come in S also
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>>10305721

And from what people discuss in the general threads IW sizes seem more about accomodating height differences and not significant differences in other measurements?
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So lolibrary is down. Is this the end?
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>>10305556
>screeching an opinion guaranteed to elicit replies (and derail a thread)
um...isn't this the definition of bait?
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>>10305587
>when you like the back more than the front
I love everything but the circus part, I wonder how hard it would be to swap out that part of the skirt with something better?
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>>10305587
At this point I'm starting to think lor just tapped into some strange up-and coming wave of circus obsession within lolita
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Whoever that Zoesaki person is on LM desperately wants to sell their melty chocolate set and keeps relisting their item so that it pops up as new. So annoying when people do that. Just promote it or drop the price or wait patiently for it to sell.
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>>10305789
Not surprised, the past few days half the images weren't working.

God I hope it's down for good. It will help spur people to start seriously working on archiving the info on other platforms.
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>>10305804
I'm kind of scared because I was just about to redo my wishlist. And I guess now I can't. Ugh.
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>>10305572
>Its also from shoes

Great job jumping into a conversation without even bothering to read it.

>>10305421
>Discoloration from shoes is one thing, like when new red shoes transfer to the socks, but how do you end up totally destroying your socks with sweat and dirt stains?
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>>10305804

But if it's down for good people may have a hard time even getting the info to archive, wouldn't they?
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>>10305812
There's various web archiver tools to pull any info from lolibrary snapshots and whatever the old archive was called. And lolibrary got it's info from stuff like WW listings, shop listings, etc. so it's not like it's the definitive source. Not to mention there's plenty of pieces (both new and old) that never made it onto lolibrary despite people having all the info and good images for them.

Also I would imagine if even if the website itself stays down it would probably be possible to get the info from the current owner, too.
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What's the most you've ever paid for shipping? I ordered a bunch of shit off WW and I'm scared??? of the shipping invoice.
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>>10305824
I've paid upwards of $100 before for lots of items from an SS.
Also paid about $250 in customs alone for a Mary Magdalene coat.
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>>10305824
I once paid $180 for shipping from japan, but the most ever from wunderwelt was $80
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>>10305747
Seems that way. I find their M runs quite a bit smaller than a western M (I'm a western XS and it fits snugly).
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>>10305824
$70 or so. Just add up the rough weights of stuff you bought and compare it to the shipping prices, then you'll know how much you have to pay...
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>>10305828
Well ya, Japanese size M is a US non vanity size S, which is a vanity size XS. There are more sizes around the world than just US sizes.
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>>10305835
Yeah, I guess it was an obvious thing to say.
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>>10305835

I've been buying Asian sizes for so long when i try to buy my real size in US clothes it's always huge on me. I don't mind some things like sweaters being oversized but for other things I had to return them because the fit was too far off.
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>>10305800
She does this all the time. I’m genuinely interested in some of the stuff she sells but I refuse to buy from sellers who do this, the NGwhatever person does this too. I watched your listing for a reason, I’m not going to keep watching your 40 listings of the same dress, it clogs up my watchlist with deleted listings and it’s annoying af.
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>>10305846

Now her listing has bidding starting at 1 Euro. I hope someone gets it for that price just out of spite because of how annoying it is that she has relisted it literally 5 times in less than 24 hours.
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>>10305878
She’s reposted it again. It’s been what, a half hour? If you’re that desperate for money just list it for cheaper.
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>>10305358
It's always gamble. Once I've bought from someone with almost 200 positive feedback and the item arrived being damp as hell and smelling of mold. It was desribed as NWOT.
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>>10305789
Don't be dramatic, their payment source for the website host just expired.
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>>10305824
I once paid $100aud for 10kg with DHL, but it came in literally two days so it was definitely worth the money.
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>>10305828
>I'm a western XS and it fits snugly).
I guess even western sizes aren't that close. I also wear XS, but I'm not from US, and IW is quite large on me.
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>>10305894

I kind of wish someone had bid on it just to force her to keep the same listing since you can't delete or edit listings once someone has bid.
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>>10305945
And where's your proof
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>>10305962

Don't feed the troll, anon.
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>>10305945
I don't dress like that but I sure as hell would love to. Right now I'm more sweet but I've wanted to switch my wardrobe to librarian-looking classic. Good luck on your endeavors.
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>>10305908
That sounds like a deal to me! For Europe DHL would cost a metric ton more.
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>>10305928
Their JSKs are on me, but their skirts without any shirring are snug

Also Tokyo Alice Rakuten is either having a stroke or just added a metric ton of Vivienne Westwood wallets or something. I wonder what the story is there.
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>>10305587
Is JetJ taking design cues from Haenuli of all people?
(And before gulls scream at me I know there are clear differences between the designs, this is just the first thing I was reminded of)
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>>10306076
You've got it backwards, newfriend.

JetJ pretty much pioneered and popularized those big panel art prints in the mid-late 00s, while MmM invented the staple cathedral/church/big gothic centerpiece look. And the swoopy curtain effect has been around forever in both rococo-inspired pieces, and also in the form of the overskirt over print look.
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What is the best way to get noticed for best dressed or something at a brand tea party? Do you stalk the organisators/models attending on their blogs etc to see what they like or???
I always wondered kek
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>>10305789
The mods of lolibrary are lazy as fuck even though we donate they can't do shit right,tons of lost items from the previous website,messy listings,messy search system,...
Sigh,i miss hellolace
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>>10306076
Yikes. Thirty seconds of research before you post, seriously
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How do you deal with someone backing out of a sale by claiming that they never bid on your item? It’s next to impossible to “accidentally” bid on something.
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>>10305804
I’m hoping for the same too.
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>>10306159
Threaten to (or just flat out) leave negative feedback?
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>>10305796
it's only bait if the person is doing it aimlessly; the fat opinion is very common on this board and if you spent any amount of time here, you'd know that.
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>>10306021
IW's skirts have always had bizarrely tight shirring elastic compared to their JSK's. None of their skirts truly go over ~66cm waist or so despite most of them being listed as 72cm max- that's a lot of difference even when considering garment vs body size. But you can tell the fabric of the shirring can stretch more, it's just that the elastic they use is very strong. I think I've seen girls rethread the elastic in IW skirts before and that does the trick.
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please bring back hellolace.
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>>10306093
wearing a dress/item(s) one of the designers attending specifically designed - of course there isn't much way to know who made what
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>>10306093
wear one of the $1500 mto dresses but also look good
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>>10306093
My biggest pet peeve is when it becomes a contest of who can be the most OTT with shironuri or drag makeup, 20 lb wigs, and tons of props.
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>>10306093

I know someone who won two contests with LED lights so if you can think of a gimmick use it to hell and back. it doesn't even have to be good.
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>>10306076
>>10305587


It's just a different version of their GLB collab. The one that went for some small fortune on yja when it popped up for resale.
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>>10306021
I feel like Tokyo Alice stockpiles stuff from one brand at a time then adds it to their store all at once.
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>>10304931
It must to suck when you are so poor that you have to try boss anons to use THEIR CLOTHING in the way you want, in case you can some day afford to buy their clothing second hand.

I think I’m going to burn my closet when I’m leaving lolita because it’s my property and I can do whatever I want with it.

I get my brand altered by professional seamstress. If you find the right fabric then no one can notice.

Binding is basically torture.
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>>10306159
>>10306163
Update: I gave them negative feedback and they gave me negative feedback back for being “rude and unreasonable”. LOL
I’m going to contact LM mods about this person and the feedback they left.
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>>10306332
>MY PROBBERDY MY PROBBERDY POORFAG RREEEEE
>WHEN I'M RICH- I MEAN WHEN IM LEAVING LOLITA, IM GOING TO BURN MY CLOTHES THAT WILL SHOW THOSE POORFAGS WITH A DIFFERENT OPINION!!
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>>10306345
seething
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>>10306344
That's ridiculous, I hope it works out for you, anon.
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>>10306345
who are you quoting?
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I was thinking about this the other day but want to see what others have to say:
Do you plan or want to be buried in your lolita if you pass away? do you plan to leave your wardrobe to friends or family or have it sold? If you still have lolita in your elderly years do you think you would wear it or sell it before you pass?

from a historian and achelogical point of view I think the idea of finding bodies years later in lolita would be facinating.
different topic but I wonder peoples ideas on it.

One of my friends went a little wild when I mentioned it saying they think its wrong or gross to be buried in lolita or keep it in your family rather than selling it to other lolitas.
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>>10306332
>binding is torture
oh I see you're fat lol
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>>10306442
A normal grave is really expensive to keep up where I life. I wouldnt want my Children having to pay this.
I will be probably cremated... and my lovely Holy Lantern would be a big piece of melted plastic then... maybe I take a headbow with me :)
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>>10306451
adding: My boyfriend and me just talked about this a few days ago. He said, he would keep his favorite dresses.
He wouldnt sell the others, he would throw them away. Same with wigs and shoes.
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>>10306442
As an archaeologist I don't think it would happen and if it would, as long as archaeologists is a thing internet will be a thing so they'll just google it or go to the library. V&A got full outfits in their collections. Polyester look like shit after 50 years in the dirt, it will be discoloured, deformed and disintegrated. Organic material need very, very, specific environment to be preserved, if "imprinted" on metal one can only tell the weave and with expensive equipment the fiber type. Most people are cremated over here and construction work on cemeteries are strictly regulated so as to not disturb recent burials (post 1700 AD and not including cholera/pestilence grave sites), I have a hard time seeing society to change enough to have that change while still having archaeologist as a profession.

After my death I want my SO to keep as many pieces as she want for sentimentality and sell/donate the rest for the space and funeral costs.
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>>10306442
How is it wrong to wear your own clothes? That is what burials do, paint you up and make you look ok for ppl to see you one last time.The reality of what they do for this is gross but it’s already normalized in western culture.
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>>10306093
Dress according to the theme. I won best dressed without expecting it myself cause my coord hit the theme of the teaparty. I also had a bunch of handmade accessories on me, so maybe show your love for the piece you're wearing through that on top of fitting the theme?
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>>10306452
Why throw away instead of give to a charity shop? how gross to make so much waste
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>>10306458
Because here where I live arent any charity shops...
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Goddamn, Rainies hasa set I really want, but after the crap she pulled with the other buyer and the feedback, I'm very hesitant. What should I do? I mean Paypal protects me anyway if something bad happens, but I'm not sure...
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>>10306468

What crap? Was it some form of feedback extortion?
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>>10306468
Don’t buy from scalpers
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>>10306442
Being buried is stupid.
I'm going to have a value list for my main pieces so my SO or whoever my successor is can sell/keep whatever and then allow my friends to have whatever they want. The rest can be given away to other lolitas.
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>>10305587
Oh god I didnt notice that it was cats that were performing on that print.
Shit I'm tempted now.
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>>10306472
I have no idea what happened, but LM mods change feedback in shady ways from what I've seen personally and heard from others. She probably got them to change her negative feedback even if it was honest.
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Where can I find below the knee, white, really ruffly top, old school style socks in stock?
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>>10305014
For me it's not as much about brand, or fitting into something. Certain older items are just so hard to find, that it can be hard to think about them getting destroyed. Not that taking something to a professional tailor is destroying it. I don't think alterations are inherently a bad thing to do at all...if done correctly.

I've seen some pretty crazy DIY alterations to older rare dresses over the years, and I'm traumatized.
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>>10305053
I haven't seen anyone freaking out on CoF, but they've always been fine
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>>10306442
I will most likely wear lolita or aristo until I'm old or die if my wardrobe isn't completely used up or lolita/ega hasn't gone extinct on the market by then. I only want to be cremated in my dream dress/coord but also want the rest of my clothes to go to someone who truly loves and continues to wear them. It might be sappy and silly, but I think objects gain a bit of "soul" if there is a big amount of thought, emotion or energy/life put into them or if they are used(or worn in this case) in their full potential and purpose. I don't want my wardrobe to stop gaining that just because I die lol. And the thought that someone else gets to enjoy something that I loved dearly even after my life is over makes me very happy. Ideally I would like to give it to young people and newbies, but I don't want children and I don't trust the future lolita comm in terms of still wearing it regularly, so I'm a bit torn.
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>>10306490
Anon Rainies is a mod herself.
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>>10306181
Holy crap you're right, I've noticed that too. The skirts are such a drag to wear because they clearly have more space to stretch but the elastic just... Won't. It's a far-cry from their shirred jsks which are among the most comfortable dresses in my closet.
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>>10306501

That's the thing. Being envious of or attached to clothes you don't personally own to the point that it deeply affects you emotionally if it gets damaged or destroyed is a bit excessive. If it was some legit world historical piece like real Victorian clothes I'd get it but it's just a dress from a relatively modern fashion style that we probably have documentation of somewhere.
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>>10306507

So Rainies could theoretically scam someone or break rules and then get away with it? That makes her feedback unreliable and her in general untrustworthy if people have admittedly had problems and then had things changed because she went in and did it.
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>>10306515
Thinking it's a waste doesn't mean they are envious or deeply emotionally affected.
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>>10306517
Exactly. And she already did that, it seems.
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>>10306517
guys, there are rules on LM and mods probably have to check each other's activities. after all of these years, do you really think LM would be that much of a wild west?
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>>10306452
Consider throwing your boyfriend away
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>>10306523

I guess they were probably exaggerating but they did say traumatized.
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>>10305222
where??
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>>10306529
From the screenshots that were posted, it didn't look like mods could even check eachother or had a log for editing. Maybe their admin or whoever runs the circlly platform can do it but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they just turned a blind eye. They made rainies out of all people a mod.
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>>10306510
Yup, I’ve also noticed this. I’ve got a couple of IW skirts and they’re a pita to zip up over a blouse because of the strength of the elastic. They’re gorgeous but I by far prefer my jsks.
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>>10306507
One person starting saying that a couple threads ago and now everyone keeps repeating it but I have yet to see proof that Raines is a mod. The screen shot the original anon posted didn’t show what they thought it did, it didn’t prove anything.
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>>10304931
die mad lmao
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>>10306564
They showed screens with mod edit buttons and they said they deleted her terms, which were actually gone when I checked along with her listings.
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>>10305799
I've always loved circus themes, but clown-lolita needs to fucking die already, no one looks good in full face paint at all.
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>>10306529
Hi Raines. Scared that we are finding out about your shit behaviour?
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>>10306564
Oh anon, it absolutely showed and proved it. I will dig it up again, just for you
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>>10306273
It sounds like you're talking about a very specific person kek
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>>10306570
Yeah they showed screens with mod edit buttons but that didn’t prove it was Raines’ account, the profile pic in the corner wasn’t hers. How would that person have even come across those? They’d have to be logged in as Raines/a mod and Raines herself certainly hasn’t posted pics of her account like that. And how do you know the user is telling the truth that her TOS disappeared? maybe she deleted or maybe they were never there to begin with. Sounds like a pot-stirrer vendetta because reeeee scalper, not proof at all.
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>>10306600
And also is that even what the Real mod edit buttons look like? I could just take a screen shot of Raines’ page and photoshop in a fake button, would take 5 minutes max
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>>10306273
>>10306275
Ngl it was extremely satisfying when at my last event Best Dressed went to someone with a well balanced but simple coord instead of any of the people with wings or LEDs or scepters or tacky Taobao renfair costumes.
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>>10306600
I was here when this happened. The screenshots had her actual userpic, and also the anon that posted them said that they hacked into her Lace market account, and saw the moderator access.

While its likely that someone can Photoshop buttons on anyone's profile, she has been deleting negative feedback too. Wich proves she is a mod
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>>10306600
I just looked at the thread again: https://rbt.asia/cgl/thread/10229890
The profile pic looks like the upper half that gets cut up when you upload an image that's too big to your bio. How would they even shoop it in without some weird quality issues from making it this small? Where would they get the picture from in the first place? Same goes for all the buttons, they would firstly have to come up with them and then rearrange the whole layout.
>And how do you know the user is telling the truth that her TOS disappeared?
Because I saw it myself and they posted a wayback machine link too and screens from her lj account.
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>>10306465
Where do you live that there is no thrift or secondhand, Europe? US, CA, and SEA all have them in spades
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>>10306499
Metamorphose restocks them keep checking every week if they aren't in stock
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>>10306626
You actually believe that anon hacked her account? Kek
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>>10306558
...On behind the bows?
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>>10306628
How do you know it was Raines or a mod that did it and not the anon? She clearly has a vendetta. And she’s apparently a hacking genius and just happened to know how to hack Raines’ account? And yeah, wow, making a picture small is hard, arranging buttons is hard. I could literally make that screenshot in Microsoft word. You must be a child or a tech illiterate boomer or gullible af
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>>10306676
>Defending Rainies this hard
Hi Rainies.
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>>10306673
>>10306676
You're just being dense on purpose now and also gaslighting for some reason. Like I said, I literally witnessed her shit getting deleted myself and repeating but adding a sarcastic tone to my objections doesn't make them invalid. The anon said she was sloppy with her personal data, it's not hard to get hacked if you download anything that isn't just pictures.
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>>10306676
>I could literally make that screenshot in Microsoft word.
>You must be a child or a tech illiterate boomer or gullible af
I seriously doubt you've done anything in Microsoft Word.
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>>10306676
Everyone that doesn't agree with you is a boomer now? Nice logic.
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>>10306685
You mean you actually watched Raines doing it and know for a fact it was her and not anybody else?? Wow, did you have a secret camera in her house or something? You all sound ridiculous. Hope you’re never on a jury, you’d convict someone during the opening arguments if you fall for circumstantial evidence, believe anonymous hacking claims, and allow bias to cloud your judgement. I’m not Raines, I’m just so sick of the conspiracy and you are all just...... stupid. Hey I heard Santa Claus is a LM mod because I went to the North Pole and hacked his account. Totally guise i sWeAr I’m a hAcKer
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>>10306696
No people who think it’s so hard to shrink a picture and thinks there are people out there waiting to hack someone’s lace market account sound like tech illiterate boomers because thats the type shit old boomers fall for when they get those Nigerian prince emails
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>>10306702

You do realise even DNA evidence is considered circumstancial evidence in some places? (The quality of the sample and testing could vary but at times it is pretty strong evidence).

Not sure either way since I've got no interest in digging up said posts but circumstancial evidence isn't neccesarily bad evidence.
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>>10306705
are you seriously bringing up DNA evidence??
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>>10306707

Because the person referenced actual legal preceedings irl and was trying to argue that coming to a conclusion based on circumstancial evidence is inherently bad or wrong. I'm not invested one way or another but sometimes circumstantial evidence is strong evidence.

Obviously it could be easy to fake something like a screenshot and LM mods in general don't seem to make decisions any of us are ever really happy with so Rainies could be a mod or the mods could just suck/be too lenient and change things in her favor a lot. There's no way to know for sure but people can do their best to get a good idea of what happened with what we have access to.
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>>10306702
>I'm not Rainies but I will ignore anons who witnessed the result themselves, several screenshots of her accounts, any objection or logic hole why it's not that easy to fake, actual internet archive timestamps and will sternly defend her, gaslight and throw strawmen like my life depends on it
Alright I guess. I'm just saying your ramblings have no effect because I saw her listings suddenly all gone and her terms deleted exactly when the anon said it. I'm not sure what your endgame is but you seem to be the one with the bias who cloud your judgement.
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>>10306712
Again I’m not saying those things didn’t happen, I’m saying you cannot possibly prove that it was Raines. The only claim that Raines would even capable of it (ie is a mod) is because one person says they’re a hacker and hacked her account and says they saw moderator buttons which is far fetched to say the least. And even if she is a mod (doubtful) there’s no proof she’s the one who did the deleting. You don’t think it’s more likely that the mods just sided with Raines and the person got pissed and made a fake screen shot? You really think it’s more likely that they’re a hacker? Really?
And ps, Raines is Italian. I’ve bought from her and her messages were in very basic English. But sure, I’m her and I just magically became fluent
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>>10306715

Nayrt and I don't think you are Raines or that your criticism of people's trust in someone claiming to be a hacker is wrong or invalid but many Eurofags have decent written English.
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>>10306715
>believe my anecdote not some other anon's!!!
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>>10306718
Ok fair enough, I apologize for that comment. There are many Europeans and people of all nationalities that are excellent writers in English
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>>10306725

Assuming you're not being sarcastic, there's no reason to apologize. It's just not a strong argument to say having good English makes you not someone just because that person isn't American (or from another English speaking country). But it's highly unlikely that Raines would care enough to defend herself and odds are no one here that is defending her super hard is actually her. Most people are smart enough to know trying to plead your case on cgl will almost never actually help anything.
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>>10306715
You're just rambling and ignoring again without any contrapoints other than asking if we really believe it. Explain why all her listings and sales terms were deleted out of nowhere on such a convinient timing if she wasn't hacked. Explain why the sales terms were also deleted on a wayback machine screencap on the same day and then readded a hour later. Explain where the faker got the upper part of her profile pic from if only the lower part is visible in her profile. And if the Lacemarket screenshots are that easy to come up with and fake, do the same with any other user from scratch, in microsoft word like you said, without using the screenshots you claim to be fake as reference. Make the original large profile pic so small that it fits without any distortion and fitting with the picture resolution, use the exact font, position the edit options in the feedback in a way they are symmetrical without error, while also using the fitting font and color, design the fake buttons and boxes like they fit into the website and again do it completely symmetrical and don't forget the select reason box. Then do it for different screenshots and completely fake her livejournal profile too in the same manner. And then explain how it's all just vendetta because mods changed rainies feedback if the feedback issue didn't even come up back then.
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>>10306715
>I’ve bought from her
Oh nevermind. At least that explains the heavy white-knighting.
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>>10306747

Nayrt but I think the faking part (if it was actually faked) if the supposed hacker was a mod would just involve changing pictures and some text or doing everything from their own account and simply screenshotting and then cropping Rainies' stuff over it and it would all appear the same resolution, etc. They wouldn't be rebuilding the site in a program, just cropping and lining stuff up.
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>>10306754

This is adorable. Thank you anon.

I wonder why more non Japanese sweets don't take photos on vacation at cute places like this (or if I'm just not following the ones who visit Japan frequently)
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>>10306443
having big breasts =/= fat
sorry about your A cups, but stop being jelly
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>>10306472
LM mods change negative seller feedback to neutral upon request. Even if the buyer has proof and won the paypal case. They're retards
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where do lolis buy nice offbrand loliable winter coats?
I want something warm but not $$$
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>>10306465
do you live in a third-world country or what?
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>>10306763

They could live in a small town in a normal place that just doesn't have any charity or thrift shops nearby.
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>>10306754
those giant hands and thick neck really betray the heavy face shoop. i didn't know japanese girls did this too.
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>>10306760
>sorry about your A cups, but stop being jelly
This doesn't work if they fit into most lolita and you don't.
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>>10306762
just buy taobao ones. they're proper lolita style and not expensive.
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>>10306766
anyone with breasts close to or over 40" will not fit into unshirred or even partial shirred lolita. and you don't need to be fat to have breasts that size. sorry flattie
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>>10306769

This whole "you must be jelly or conventionally unattractive (too fat, or too flat) because we disagree" shit is stupid and petty. Realistically yes being busty in lolita sucks at times and makes it harder, and being busty doesn't always mean fat, and yeah that is kind of an annoying truth about a fashion from a country that has historically had relatively petite women.

(I'm a busty lolita btw so this isn't a flat chested person seething over my cup size before you try to accuse me of that)
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>>10306769
I didn't say you need to be fat to have large boobs. I said claiming their jealousy when you're the one who doesn't fit into lolita or has to alter it doesn't add up.
However if you have a 40" bust you're 99% considered overweight anywhere outside of america.
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>>10306773

Some people have ridiculous bust measurements on small frames and it is more common than media would have you think but is still not widespread so they may be a bit large but not to the point of being seriously overweight. At a healthy BMI range I still had around 114 cm bust. But annoyingly huge tits kinda run in my family even amongst the thin people.
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>>10306773
>not knowing that women can have big breasts and small waists
I'm guessing you live in an all-white country or state
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>>10306784
I know that and didn't imply otherwise anywhere. What's your point? A small waist doesn't help if your boobs are still too big for lolita.
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>>10306792
>didn't imply otherwise anywhere

>"if you have a 40" bust you're 99% considered overweight anywhere outside of america"
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>>10306796
Yes and the point still stands? If you have the mentioned size ranges above you can have a proportionally small waist but you'd still be between XL and XXL, bordering 3XL in shops. The people who wear those sizes most of the time are overweight or look overweight.
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>>10306805
>the point still stands

Name one country outside of *maybe* east asian ones that would call this woman "overweight" whatsoever. She has a 41" chest.
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>>10306807
Google says it's 36 inches.
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>>10306812

Even a 36 inch (around 90 cm) bust is too big for a lot of non shirred or non sweet lolita and this woman is clearly not overweight.
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>>10306812
36DD, meaning underbust is 36.
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>>10306813
Anon please read the post chain again, wtf are you even arguing against. I said you don't need to be fat to have large boobs but if you have a 40" bust you're 99% considered overweight anywhere outside of america. Scarlet Johanson is not the 40" bust and the XL+ size range I was talking about.
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>>10306817
Her bra size is 32D
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>>10306762
Hard to find coats that fit petticoats outside of lolita. You might have luck with vintage.
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>>10306818

I'm not the anon who posted that picture. I'm the person who said big boobs in lolita is a real hassle and accusing people of being fat or flat is petty. And it is. A 40 inch band size though rather than total bust measurement is probably pretty overweight unless you're some sort of super tall Amazonian.

But in reference to the Scarjo thing if her band size is 36 like >>10306817 says, which desu sounds like she has a big ribcage for her size since she isn't tubby or anything, and she's a DD cup she could easily have up to a 40 inch bust and the big ribcage would further support the idea that her waist is comparatively quite small. At 36D/DD my bust was around 40 inches and I was still in the mid to higher end of healthy range for BMI.
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>>10306818
>if you have a 40" bust you're 99% considered overweight anywhere outside of america
This isn't true whatsoever, you just keep repeating it for some reason? No, a person with big breasts and a small waist is not fat anywhere.
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>>10306821
There are literally hundreds of examples of women with big breasts and small waists out there if you don't believe this one, even when literally the first hit for "scarlett johansson breast size" says 36DD. And none of them would be considered fat.
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>>10306825

I think some people just think "breast tissue is partially made of fat" and assume boobs equals fat and because obese women these days present themselves as "curvy" they contribute to that generalization.
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>>10306827
Anon's level of retardation is just blowing my mind at this point. I feel like they're trying to say any big breasts are considered fat in lolita (or japan) specifically, but they keep saying it's every country outside of america. Like no, hourglass figures with sizable breasts are considered ideal in most countries. This is just a fact.
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I had an issue with a buyer backing out of a sale and contacted LM mods. They offered to reactivate my listing but i turned them down since the auction had expired anyways and said I’d just leave negative feedback for the buyer. They then told me not to leave negative feedback because it’ll cause drama. What the hell?
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>>10306835

It isn't that hard to fake a fb message anon; providing a full screenshot with your profile censored would help this be more believable.
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>>10306825
See >>10306805

>>10306824
>>10306826
Anons the single gossip article you got your information from says she had a plastic surgery and was 34B before. I googled just her name with "measurements" and they all state the same ones I mentioned. This is getting way too off-topic either way. If you want to believe you look like Scarlett Johannson or random models with a size XL-XXL, I don't want to take this from you.
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>>10306832
How about you read what I write instead of feeling it
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>>10306754
the fuck did the girl on the right do to her face? Take away the meitu please.
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>>10306839
I figured I’d ask about leaving feedback since I’ve never encountered a buyer backing out before. I know other people leave negative feedback but I wanted to check with a mod. Turns out I shouldn’t have asked and just left negative feedback.
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>>10306835
Maybe it's another account of the scammer who sperges out whenever they are called out spams negative feedback in revenge.
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>>10306848

This looks a lot like responses I got from mods before and wouldn't surprise me if it was legit. I'd just leave the negative feedback anyway desu. (I've backed out of maybe 2 sales before over the years because of the odd financial emergency and I never got left neg feedback, the one person who did left neutral, so depending on the context of why they backed out I can see how leaving negative may be seen as a bit harsh but you have the right to and LM is supposed to be keeping track of buyers or sellers who back out and if they do it too much they are supposed to get banned I think?)
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>>10306859
They pretended that they never bid on the listing. An admin confirmed that there’s record of the bid.
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>>10306864

Yeah I say leave the negative feedback if this is legit. If mods don't like it and change it you can ask them why or tell them you don't approve
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>>10306775
there are actually a lot of girls in my comm that have big titties on small frames.
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>>10306638
Europe is full of charity shops too. Practically every city or town in my country has at least one. Anon might be super rural or simply not looking hard enough.
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kek at this Chinese scalper's attempt at spelling btssb
>BaBy The Stars
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>>10306940

Funny how way back when they first got called out they claimed to be a lolita who had secondhand stuff to sell that just ordered too many kumyas but everything they ever sell is brand new and they just so happen to be selling other kumyas too and only new still in bag dresses.
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>>10306949

Scratch that they do have some used stuff on their profile now. A lot of sets of a couple dresses that don't always relate.
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>>10306093
Be unique. Don't follow what's trendy.
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>>10306608
As someone who does OTT and twinning I am always happy when this happens. I like to see the simple coords best even though I enjoy making OTT outfits for myself.

Why do we need to have best dressed competitions though? Raffles are better imo and don't encourage oneupmanship
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>>10306848
I'd leave a negative feedback anyway too. It is in the rules and within your rights as a seller since the buyer backed out of a sale. I backed out of a sale on Lace Market once, due to financial reasons and the seller left me a negative. I contacted the mods about it and explained the emergency, and the one that replied said that while they understood my predicament, ultimately it was up to the seller to leave whatever feedback they saw fit for the transaction...by that logic, if it is up to the seller, then they cannot refute it if you leave a negative
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>>10306758
>have a group of lolita friends I go on vacation to cute places with
>tfw all our vacation pics are us drunk and doing stupid shit
I'm sorry anon. We wear sweet but we just don't have cute personalities unlike Misako and her friends. We went to a place in the Rocky Mountains a few years ago during wildflower season and literally the only IG-ready pic we got was when my hung over friend fell asleep on a log
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>>10306826
I mean I agree with you but that pic is mad photoshopped. Unless she has very severe scoliosis
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>>10307028

That's actually pretty cute anon

Those pictures of lolitas not being lovelies are some of my favorites
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>>10306949
>accidentally ordering 20 kumyas
Happens to me all the time. Thank god I can just sell them for an inflated price on lacemarket!

>>10307027
Yeah I’ll be leaving them negative feedback. I’m just confused/surprised that the mod wanted to “pretend this never happened”.
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>>10307072
Right? 2 or even 3 I could understand if you asked multiple SS for backup, but not 20
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What do you think about this Imperial Garden Event that will happen in Belgium?
I'm skeptical because they're selling their tickets since this summer,for an event that will happen in may 2020.
Who's going?
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>>10307076
>>10307072
Ok but real talk, once I ended up with 5 of the same usa lottery item because I asked my bf, SS, and a few of my friends to help me get it and I’m terrified to sell because of scalping accusations so now I just have four untouched usa’s in my closet taking up space.
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>>10307172
Which usa? I might be interested in buying. You could also get your friends who entered to help sell for you and give them a cut.
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>>10307172

Please tell which kumya. I'm interested
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>>10307172
>thingsthattotallyhappened.jpg

also, 5, an actual believable number, =/= 20 anon
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Would there be any interest in having a thread where I dump specific print coordinates? Like an entire thread of just Misty Sky outfits, a thread of (insert print name), that people can also contribute to, things like that. So if people search the print name on warosu or other archival sites, the thread will pop up for coordinate inspiration.

>or I can just keep them to myself I guess
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>>10307257

I'd be more interested in seeing threads for coording solids or allover prints that are gobelins or florals (Misty Sky is kinda in there for me as well since clouds are more simple and you can't derive much obvious besides stars or fluff)

It's easy for me to pair acessories and stuff when I have a print to work from since so many prints are crammed with tiny details you can mix and match aspects of. But coording solids beyond basic white or black blouse and socks and neutral or matching shoes and headpiece gets old easily so it would be cool to see how people mix things up.
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>>10307172
I’d also want one. Tell us please
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>>10307280
I just have large collections of specific prints that are my favorites, so that's why I ask

Guess I'll just hold off then
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>>10307257
I see people do this but with collages of outfits per print with a "Who wore it best?" theme. That way you have multiple prints per thread, and it encourages discussion. Though eventually it devolves into low-effort posts like "1, 3, 7, 4"
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>>10307312
that's exactly why I backspaced the idea of having one thread with multiple links to curated folders, I figured it'd turn into "which is the best" instead of appreciating all the different ways you can wear something.
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>>10307160
>Imperial Garden Event
I'm desperate to go to any European lolita event, but I need to weight all the pro's and con's.

Like, do I need a visa, how expensive the city is, what is the dresscode etc. Is there a list or a group with lolita events calendar?
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next thread >>10307455
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>>10307160
The guests also still haven’t confirmed that they are coming on social media, which makes me sceptical.
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>>10307257
I really like this idea!! I'm always looking up prints I own to see if I can find coord inspo, and it would be so cool to have one place to put them all.
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>>10307355
When the Honey Cake rerelease was announced, there was a thread just for HC coord appreciation. Maybe a print appreciation on the anniversary of a print's release would be cute? That way you don't have several different print appreciation threads at the same time.



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