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Last thread in autosage: >>10196143

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Previously:
-What makes an idol group vs dance cover groups?
-Appealing to a wider audience
-Most attractive idol groups
-Ambiflora performance was a shitshow, people getting fed up with her hold on the OIC(?)

Starter topic: re Ambiflora's performance. Does anyone know if this performance a last-minute decision or if they actually practice for it? It seemed like they had very little practice time beforehand, which is odd considering the article Julily herself posted a few months ago. If your group is asked to perform/planning a live debut, how soon is too short notice? It seems like the failure of a lot of groups, both love live/idol anime cover groups and original idols, is in the lack of behind the scenes planning, or a single person taking over everything and not effectively communicating with their group.

pic semi-related. Stellure always seemed like their dancing lacked refinement and, like Ambiflora, was just Mimi ft. the girls.
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>>10216266
The performance was clearly not last minute but think about it for a minute. They announced it months ago and then literally one week before the performance, they kick out Himeluka. I'm pretty sure since she was the second best dancer in the group and the co-leader, she must have been a major part of the performance, if not at least the second most prominent member. I mean Himeluka performed quite a lot at Ambiflora's last performance. Or does nobody remember that? That's why I call bullshit on Julily using her group to boost herself. That doesn't sound like her at all. Sounds like people just hating on her just to hate on her.

Anyway, they would have practiced these past months thinking Himeluka would be there but then she broke some rule and they had to drop her so suddenly. Wouldn't you think that would have a big impact on the setlist? Or who performs what? The other members aren't ready to fill that vacuum. They're all new to performing. So what else would you expect to happen? Julily had to take over some of the songs that Himeluka was probaby supposed to do.
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And what would be worse? Having to cancel a performance last minute because a member dropped out or adapting and muddling through?

I know Julily is the type to want to give her members performing experience at a small event and that's what this looks like to me.
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>>10216377
>>10216379
>>10216398
If a performer is not ready by a certain date, they usually cancel. It hurts, and maybe the venue will stamp their feet and complain but its better than the absolute lack of any coordination on their part, which just comes off as unprofessional. One girl didn't even know the lyrics. This isn't baseless hate ("wah they're ugly, they're fat, etc."), it's valid criticism. The entire performance was just abysmal.
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Which US con(s) have the best idol events? I want to take a holiday and it would be cool if my travels would coincide with some net idol or coverist performances. I'm interested in both events entirely dedicated to idols or ones with idol showcase sort of things.
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>>10216379
Show must go on.
However, you ALWAYS have a backup plan ready in case something happens (like your audio doesn't work or in this case, lineup changes)
Just because kicking a member was a last minute thing does not excuse the poor performance they gave out.
Having backup plans ready is not only idol 101, but performance 101. Seeing as they just gave Julily everything, it seems that they didn't have one, which is extremely unprofessional and shameful for a veteran idol. No matter how you look at it, it turned into the Julily show. Even if she was somehow the only quality member (in that case why even have a group), they should have distributed everything more evenly.
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>>10216266
OIC STAFF - Look it's fine if you don't want to check the emails regularly and never update your website BUT AT LEAST MAKE THE DISCORD OPEN! I tell my friends to join all the time and they keep saying NO ONE RESPONDS TO THE EMAIL. It's unnecessary, and honestly you could just have staff boot randos who get in. Who are you trying to prevent getting in? We're not that large and honestly its sad seeing only the same 5 people talk all the time
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>>10216599
NTAYRT but...
>my nearly perfect English makes you think I'm Julily?
Since when has she been known for bad English lol

>I see like the same 3 or 4 people piling on hate at Julily just because she handled the Himeluka situation poorly
Tbf a lot of people already dislike her because she acts high and mighty when she herself isn’t great to begin with so. There’s more than one problem with her not just kicking someone from a group. How do you exactly know it’s the same people though is the question.

>salty Himeluka fans/friends
Considering I’ve never heard of her before Ambiflora how many fans must she have. As far as I’m concerned she’s a rando which could very well be wrong but.

>Julily makes a few honest mistakes and suddenly she's the scum of the earth
On a serious note here, and I’m not trying to be “that person” but I don’t think “honest mistakes” is a good way to put anything. You don’t just accidentally call yourself better than others by mistake. You don’t write an article that basically says “We’re angry that you don’t get what idols are so let us teach you what the right way is” by mistake. You don’t write a post about kicking someone out, trying to halfass apologize, then delete the post by mistake. You don’t jump from group to group because you want something fun to do but then don’t work with your members by mistake. I’m saying this honestly but Juliane needs to step back and reevaluate herself and her values. Everyone watching and making comments on Julily isn’t an assumption, it’s an observation. I actually enjoy Julily but I’d be lying to myself if I said a lot of her behavior isn't selfish and self serving. Regardless of whether or not we know the whole picture, we do know what we are shown.
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Do people really care so much about Julily and her group? Sure she's somewhat talented but what's so special about her that people want to complain this hard about her activities.
I feel one of the only people in these threads who isn't ready to kiss her ass or just criticize everything she does. Surely there's other news or content to talk about?
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>>10216266
Off topic from the op, but has no one seen the call out posts towards 1 2 shine?
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>>10216608
I'm not saying she's known for bad English, I'm just saying mine is better so don't mistake me for her. That's just my bit of narcissism lol

>How do you exactly know it's the same people though is the question.
Well, admittedly I don't. But several people have all said Chiyo was their favorite member even though he was only in one performance, was the weakest member of that performance, and then graduated. Plus that false info that he started the group. Just looks really fishy.

Himeluka is a cosplayer and is part of the LL community. I think we can agree there are some toxic people in the LL community. It wouldn't be a stretch to say some of them are spreading hate for Julily in response to her treatment of Himeluka, which I do acknowledge was not the best way to handle it.

Okay so Julily has made several mistakes. But I seriously don't think though that her groups failed because she didn't work with her members. That's a gross assumption and nobody has indicated that was the case.

I'm not denying that she sometimes comes off selfish but if you want to talk about observations, only some people are making honest observations about her here. A lot of the comments in the last couple days have been wild accusations. That is an observation.
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>>10216505
There’s the Texas Idol Festival (in Texas obviously) and the Starlight Idol Festival (Anime Weekend Atlanta) that are typically most talked about here from what I’ve seen, so either of those would be a good choice.
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>>10216639
More details? I can't find anything on this
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>>10216739
i follow corpsekid on instagram, she made posts about them, but i forgot about until it was brought up again. it seems to be the same issues as every other group out there. bullying
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Is the OIC discord down for anyone else?
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>>10216838
asdsdsd came back up as soon as I posted this nvm
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>>10216838
No but a certain someone left.
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Abandon ship!
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>>10216856
what. the. fuck.
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>>10216865
Well, if we are all gonna continue to make assumptions, i would prefer to assume that she made this group because she wants to share in this idol life with others. Like most of us do. Wanting to be an idol comes with a certain amount of narcissism and selfishness but that's not all it is. She isn't the only one to do or feel these things. Perhaps what other Anon said was right, maybe she did have to take over for Himeluka. That would make a LOT of sense. Cause I don't think she is THAT self-centered to do all this focus on herself. She had that when she was solo so why even bother with the stress of a group? I can see her wanting to do this group to really apply her passion for idols and test her abilities to be a leader. She does have this aura of 'holier than thou', but I see her heart as well. And this attitude she has is because she CARES so much. It doesn't mean she can't be wrong or she doesn't have room to improve about how she goes about showing her passion, but she doesn't deserve to be torn into about everything. I think we can all accept that she isn't perfect. But she's given this community a lot. She needs help. She's ambitious...but does need some balancing out. I don't blame her for cracking under this pressure and criticism. Most creatives are driven by emotions and this kind of stuff hurts.
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>>10216883
^^^ THIS

God, I really feel like all these criticisms in the last week are coming from like a small group of people trying to tear her down for personal reasons. Notice, they all say the same things.
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>grand majority of the thread is bitching about someone
wow who could have predicted this?
THESE
THREADS
DO NOT
BELONG
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CGL
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>>10216915
just report the shit that's nothing but community drama (aka the majority of the thread). jannies will delete
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>>10216890
Actually some of us (me) are completely new to the 4chan community. I'd never really heard of Julily or Ambiflora and I made a point that it really didn't look like a great show which we know is true and I never saw much of the other members and from what I've seen on social media and the lack of attention to OIC she has too much on her plate to handle and it does seem more of a way to promote herself rather than promote idols as she won't actually allow a lot of idols onto the OIC website /discord which I now see is run by her, shows how much I pay attention to who runs what. I know a lot of my friends got denied being put on the OIC website even though they are really good. I'm not saying she's a bad person she just needs to avoid making so many mistakes and tone down the I support all idols no matter what persona because I feel like it's not strictly true. I hope the lumps and bumps are worked out because I love seeing new groups progress! Not hate just an observation from someone who likes to be a net idol supporter
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>>10216927

I sent a application with a few of my friends not too long ago to the OIC discord, do they actually email back saying you’re denied or do they just ghost you.

I didn’t know it was that hard to get it...that actually speaks volumes. It makes her seem like the Regina George of idols than some mother Theresa trying to guide other idols into stardom. Reeks of keeping out those who will steal your stardom away.
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>>10216917
Well laa dee daa, good for you.

Look, Julily can be a bit selfish (who isn't) and holier than thou sometimes when she talks about wanting people to improve themselves but her other words and actions suggest she just cares a lot about people. Everybody characterizing her as this insanely selfish, attention whoring mega bitch need to sit the fuck down and stop being so judgmental
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>>10216937
afaik, Julily runs things but for the past few months she's been going through some personal issues. So that's probably why OIC hasn't been that active lately. But Julily is pretty dedicated to it so I think you just need to wait
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>>10216942
Anon why are you so mad? Just say you’re a friend of hers and go. This thread has 35 replies and 25 posters so you can’t even say it’s the same few people posting about Julily. Plot twist, not everyone is going to like the same idols as you and people are going to criticize them whether they like them or hate them.
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>>10216926
But the "community drama" was the OC topic :/
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Look what you guys did. I tried to tell you that you were all overreacting and making her out to be worse than she really is. Let’s stop talking about her now, like someone else said I’m sure there are more things worth talking about.
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>>10216949
I was mainly talking about the people in the last thread. But I ain't mad. Just if you're so new to everything, then don't go around passing judgment on people when you don't know the situation.
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>>10216955
(Nayrt) honest question - what other idol discords are there?
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Writing lyrics is hard.
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desu i'd be open to creating an oic alternative, if nothing else to just give myself a project and partially undo the monopoly oic's got

not hate to oic but theyve been inactive and i know a fair amount about getting a website started, oic does a fine job but im not an idol and wouldnt mind looking into it since i have the free time
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>>10217005
Do you want to do it alone? Because I can make websites. Programming only though. I can't into design or content.
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>>10216949
>not knowing that number is really inaccurate bc of people using their mobile data

kek
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ShootingStar Idols did another dance cover and desu the fact that one girl has different shoes is bugging the fuck outta me.

https://youtu.be/s88Hri2S0Og
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>>10217005

Seconding offering help with graphics and art. Or just general help with the alternative.
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>>10217005
This is a good idea. There should be an active archive of idols/events and resources like Producers, photographers and costume designers, stuff up and coming groups can use. Oic is nice, but its basically dead.
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>>10217126
>>10217051
>>10217085
ngl i'm surprised people are interested. i'll look into it and post again if need/want help, thanks for the offers!
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>>10217139
I believe in you.
There have been so many attempts to start another ver of OIC but they all go inactive, so I'm hoping you'll be able to be the change we need
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>>10217139

God speed, hopefully you can make a discord as well to go along with the website.
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I see no one talking about the other Idol group Juily is in which is superrareproductions, what ever happened to that idol group?
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>>10217196
Didn't know that existed desu
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>>10217250
yeah but what's happening with that group? I haven't seen them post anything
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Seeing a pic of Stellure reminded me, I wonder if that album that was talked about a few months back is ever going to be released, or if it's been given up on. I'm assuming the latter.
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>>10217292
They did say themselves it’d probably be a while before it was actually released so who knows.

>>10217264
If I’m being honest, probably the same thing(s) that happened to Marble’s cat idol group (9 Lives or whatever):
>nobody did anything and it died
Or maybe I’m wrong and they’re working but it seems like they really aren’t focused on it.
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>>10217264
The leader has a history of putting off projects and not getting things done so there's no real surprise there
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>>10217103
The result of internet cancel culture, people just want to be mad for no other reason than being mad
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>>10217292
They've been working in it behind the scenes! It's mostly in the hands of Callisto, but everything's being remixed and mastered by Rocker (who mixed their final songs and is now working with Astreal). I'm on the Stellure (before it got closed) and the Astreal discords and it's been talked about a few times there.
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we need a list of the best original songs by overseas idol groups
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Has anyone seen this? Bless posted this for the 4th of July

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6swDOVggLQ
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>>10217330
Lol who’s trying to cancel someone. People literally just want Julily to come to her senses instead of her saying she will and then not.

>>10217103
>it looks like its driving her away from oic
She’s been distant from OIC for quite a while. That’s not the fault of 4chan. She’s even admitted before this went on thats she’s not been doing well. Julily has been at this a while. I really doubt 4chan is going to cause her to leave her own server because people were “mean.” OIC isn’t even allowed to talk about 4chan so I fail to see how leaving OIC for a while would work to avoid it.

In my opinion, people havent been any more harsh with Julily than they’ve been with other people. Who’s shat on her just to shit on her? Nobody has said they want her to quit, that she sucks, that she’s bad at what she does. People just want her to drop the fake saint act and be real with her intentions. In fact, isn’t that what literally everyone wants the idol comm to do? Like really....
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>>10217412
I thought the dancing was subpar, but then they started singing... they should’ve just focused on the dance.
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>>10217412
Couple things. Yellow DESPERATELY needs better support like a sports bra or literally anything other than whatever old bra she’s wearing in the video. It’s almost distracting. Blue and yellow in particular need to work on not looking so lost. It makes it even more painfully obvious how unprepared they are. Lastly, those vocals need some fucking work. Not great singers to begin with, and horrid mixing on top of that. Video was a mess, but not the worst I’ve seen.
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>>10217005
if you need some help anon i'd be open to helping! i'm spreadsheet gull so feel free to shoot me an email at the one linked in the spreadsheet!
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Guess this counts as a leak, but Astreal idols next song is D&D themed. Luna said they took it from Stellure’s old used ideas. Sounds like a Interlunium copy to me
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Kurohime released her third single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejpjzH9PwXM

I think it is a lot better than her last releases, there are a few iffy parts where the Japanese seems a bit weirdly placed but I think she's really improving.

Do you think she'll ever release dance videos/ MV's for her songs?
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>>10217613
>Do you think she'll ever release dance videos/ MV's for her songs?
If you're an idol and you're not releasing those things then you're doing it wrong.
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>>10217384
There is a playlist of original idol songs (it’s in the OP post) but it would kind of be cool to have a “top 40” type monthly ranking list where people could vote for their favorites. I know it’s been talked about in the past but it just was never set up.
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>>10217605
If astreal was using old stellure ideas it wouldn’t surprise me. They are using everything else from stellure anyway imo
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>>10217623
Ngl that is exactly what I’ve been thinking.

Astreal is just a carbon copy of Stellure minus some of the better members. From what I saw they use the same composer and mixer, and carried over the same ideas. They wouldn’t have any of what they do without Stellure. It kinda feels like their cheating for lack of a better a term.

I feel like they would have been better off doing something completely new rather than mooching off of what Stellure accomplished even if it wasn’t much.
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>>10217412
After watching their other videos I have to say that jpop isn't their strong point. The only good one is the pink one, it's sad that her other members are bringing her down
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>>10217633
This mindset doesn’t make sense to me.

>Stellure minus some of the better members
I don’t get the carbon copy thing but Stellure only really had 4 good members and 2 of them are in Astreal.

>they use the same composer and mixer
Just because Mimi clearly burned bridges doesn’t mean they have to. Maybe the people offered too.

>carried over the same ideas
As far as music goes, it’s just one song. As far as concept goes, I feel like it’s a stretch. Yeah they’re using their personas but they’re personas they created so why shouldn’t they use them? If they weren’t used there has to be a reason. I think it’s okay if it’s just the concept and not actual lyrical content. Especially if it was their idea but I have no way of telling.

>They wouldn’t have any of what they do without Stellure
>they would have been better off doing something completely new rather than mooching off of what Stellure accomplished
Personally from what I see and know, it’s not like they don’t acknowledge Stellure. They know all this but why should they forfeit part of their own hard work/fan base just because it came from somewhere else?

>It kinda feels like their cheating for lack of a better a term
I want to ask this question then because it could open an interesting discussion:

Is using connections you already have a bad thing to advance in your trait a bad thing? Is it bad to use a fanbase from another project you were/are apart of for support of a different project?

On this I’m talking purely physical things like editors, composers, etc. etc. and not ideas. My opinions stated but that’s because I notice idols in real life doing this. They’ll leave a group and start a new project and it will gain traction and fans because the fans of their old group know. I’ve also seen things such as connections be used in the real world to advance careers/hobbies but it’s not seen as cheating then. Why?
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>>10217605
yeah that level up song is such a bop! https://youtu.be/upiMiPJ0jdI

That kinda makes me wonder what's happening with interlunium now adays
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Squeeze updated their Instagram & website. I love the colors and I hope they actually do something.

@squeeze.gg on Instagram because I can’t link the site.
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>>10217648
>Squeeze is looking for PRODUCERS, MIXERS, and COMPOSERS to help us make our EP as dynamic as possible. If you’d like to work with us, send examples of your work to our business email in our bio. We’d love to see you soon.
how much are they spending on their EP
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>>10217651
Hopefully a lot and hopefully it’s quality.
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>>10216937

>Mother Teresa

Mother Teresa has a rep for being a wonderful woman but was actually a huge douchebag, so it'd be accurate to say that she's moonlighting as someone with good intentions but actually wants the attention for herself and to keep others from improving.
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>>10216937
This was many many months ago so it was before some of you say she's been dealing with personal issues. That's where a second in command would come in ya know. Anyways yes they got straight out rejected and were told rather rudely how they should 'improve'. She was the only one who heard back, the others were ghosted even when they try to contact personally.
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>>10217633
>They wouldn’t have any of what they do without Stellure. It kinda feels like their cheating for lack of a better a term.
The way this is worded sounds like saltines from a failed idol than a legitimate complaint lol
>>10217643
>Is using connections you already have a bad thing to advance in your trait a bad thing?
It's not bad, that's literally how business works. People liked Stellure's music, so why shouldn't they use the team that created that success? It'd be risky to start off with an entirely new one. This way, at least they have a safety net.
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>>10217623
>>10217633
I don't think this is a fair complaint. For all Stellure's problems, they were still very popular and were getting to be decent by the time they disbanded. I kinda see it as an "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" thing. Astreal has their idol characters that are already beloved by lots, strong friendships with their staff, and the experience of Stellure's failures. They also had available songs that didn't get used for Stellure because Mimi exploded the group, so why not use them? Why wouldn't they use the resources they have to continue doing what they love? The fact that they're using the same staff is a really strange complaint.

I do think they're doing some things better and differently than Stellure, most distinctly their lack of a leader or center. They have an official artist so that doesn't all fall on one idol, and they're branching out for different composers so they can have some different musical sounds. They've also done stuff like holding livestreams to chat with fans which they weren't allowed to do as Stellure. None of this comes off as mooching to me, rather it seems like they're taking their experience in Stellure to avoid making the same mistakes.
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>>10217648
Squeeze has such a cool aesthetic, these graphics are actually beautiful.
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This are really cute!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AjDeoy5Ydo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhPWOW1odw
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>>10216398
Julily, you guys were bad.... It's ok to admit that.
You're gonna have people cheering you on, these are weebs with kinda low expectations/ are only there to see pretty girls shake their ass.

You should have cancelled, you shouldn't have made Chiyo graduate, you should NOT have made green trainee perform (green wasn't ready, you knew better and should be ashamed of yourself) and you should have kept HimeLuka.

Ambiflora is going to fail if you don't swallow your pride girl.
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>>10216598
OIC isn't listening to us when we ask for more staff.
And Julily done up and jumped ship because her feelings are hurt. Are the other staff going to pick up the slack at all?
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>>10216598
Tell your friends to join 194Pro. We're small, but our staff is actually consistent, we're pretty fast at responding and it's really chill in there.
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>>10216651
I'm holding her to the same standards she tends to push off on everyone else.

And Chiyo wasn't the weakest by a long shot. I think with practice he could have easily outshined them all. His graduation was suspicious as hell because there was no reason given. Like at all. Even to this day.
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>>10216976
194Pro and Chocolate Idol Network (PoC based server) are two that I know of.
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>>10217078
Those better be for orthopedic reasons....
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>>10217915
>you shouldn't have made Chiyo graduate
Where is this coming from... First it was that AmbiFlora was Chiyo’s group (STILL unconfirmed) and now this??
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>>10217412
The one needs a better support bra.....
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>>10217613
Hello there!
I'm glad you think I'm improving! I had hoped this sounded way better than the second single, which I will admit was a tester for the software I was using.
There is definitely a plan in place to make an MV for the third single, and as of recently I've commissioned for dance help for this.

I'm gonna be revisiting Chansu Choudai again to fix it and make MAJOR tweaks to it..... Like redoing all the vocals.

If you have any other suggestions or tips for me, please don't be shy and tell me. You can be as harsh as you'd like as well, I don't mind. I can't improve if I don't know
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>>10217412
pink is really good. She should either do something on her own or look for another group.
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>>10217933
Everyone should that AmbiFlora was founded by Julily so idk where that came from.
Second, a graduation after one performance?? Either he left on his own (highly unlikely since you could tell his heart was in the project) or it was a forced graduation (more likely because who the actual fuck only stays in a group for one performance then graduates???)
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>>10217933
NAYRT but don't you think it's odd that no one gave a reason why Chiyo graduated? Groups give some reasons, whether vague or truthful, but there wasn't one for him...
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>>10217920
I feel uncomfortable knowing 194 staff promotes on here yikes
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>>10217967
I'm not staff, but in the discord, that's the only reason why I mentioned it.
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>>10217822
Is that first video song a cover song or a song the idol group created, it's super cute!
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>>10217971
Backtracking hard now. If your really not staff, don't word yourself like you are. I only lurk, but i tend to avoid people and servers who actively post on here.
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>>10217737
I don’t recall them not being aloud to livestream in Stellure- they did that a lot didn’t they? They did instagram live streams and discord chats as well.

Also im still sort of fuzzy on the whole Mimi thing. If Polaris said she styled her character’s new design off of Mimi, and said something along the lines of she wasn’t the cause of their disbandment, (in the last thread I recall seeing a screenshot of that) than why is there still this mindset that Mimi exploded stellure? Am I missing something?
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>>10217967
You're here so you must know 4chan isn't all it's made out to be.
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>>10217977
Frankly I’ve been thinking Mimi ended up being the fall-guy for a group that went south because all of the members are too young to understand how something like that should really work. Than again I don’t follow the group too closely so I don’t really know.
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>>10217975
Looking at my wording, yes. It may look like I'm backtracking but
>We're pretty fast at responding
That can mean that we in the discord are quick at responding to everything and everyone.
But I see how it looks like I'm backtracking
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>>10217977
I think Polaris is just being mature and I don't think any of them necessarily feel like outing people like mimi would/has. It's clear that mimi was over the people in the stellure and dropped them for another kawaii desu group. Mimi is the only one to really cut ties with everyone and speak badly about her time in stellure so it's hard to not believe she didn't cause their disbandment. Just because mimi acts petty does not mean the other members felt the same way and could still respect her even after everything.

Astreal said there was heavy restrictions on them while in stellure enforced by mimi concerning live streams so the only ones they were allowed to do were the ones started by mimi when everyone was at her house where as in astreal members can live stream even without the other members and their personal opinions matter to the group as a whole.

To lazy to go back and tag but saying that astreal is cheating for using things that worked in the past just sounds salty. Astreal wasn't done with stellure, they didn't want the disbandment so why should they be forced to give up characters that mimi doesn't own. Also the fact they are using unused stellure content is nice in my opinion cause that work still deserves to be heard. I do feel astreal is a continuation of stellure but that experience only makes things better. Many things we see day to day are based around past successes/successful teams so I just think that whole idea of it being unfair is a personal problem
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>>10217975
Why in the hell would you avoid a server/ people that posts on here? You better not be in OIC then because there are people NOTORIOUS for posting on here....
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>>10218000
I see what you mean. However I saw that Mimi was hanging out with the short blue haired idol from stellure whos name is escaping me right now. She posted it on her story a while back.

Not to sound stalkerish but I also noticed she and Astra talk in comments a lot. Same with Callisto and also the pink haired one that joined late. So i feel like she hasn’t cut ties with all of them?

Honestly the fact that we don’t really know much of anything and we are assuming so much means stellure atleast kept a good cap on whatever caused them to disband. Props to them for that if nothing else.
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>>10218004
Never even touched OIC. I'm only a lurker. Your all so drama hungry I swear
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>>10217621
>There is a playlist of original idol songs (it’s in the OP post) but it would kind of be cool to have a “top 40” type monthly ranking list where people could vote for their favorites. I know it’s been talked about in the past but it just was never set up.
I can make something like this, but instead of people voting on their favorites, I was thinking of something like a website that automatically ranks the songs based on YouTube, Spotify, and other websites. The only thing I would need is some way to get a regularly updated list of songs...
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What's the link for 194 Pr?
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>>10218014
people could add them to a youtube playlist as they find them or something
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>>10218011
She does? Callisto said they haven't talked in months awhile back. Huh. (Unless this is recent?)
>>10217977
> why is there still this mindset that Mimi exploded stellure?
The members said in the discord that they weren't supposed to disband yet, but Mimi suddenly announced they were. Like >>10218000 said, Polaris is most likely acting mature to avoid further conflict. Or maybe she's just scared of her. (They did talk about Mimi like they were traumatized, so it's entirely possible)
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>>10217977
Sorry, I worded it weirdly. Stellure livestreamed some of their performances, but Astreal has held a lot of casual "chatting with fans" livestreams both in character and out. It's kind of a poorly kept secret that Mimi exploded the group, because all the members of Stellure are remaining very professional about it, but reading between the lines of some of the discord conversations, and reading Mimi's goodbye message, you can see that she really did see herself as being the "hero" of the group rather than everyone working together for success. I'd recommend checking out some of the discussion in the archived previous threads for more on that though.
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>>10218030
I get the feeling a lot of Stellure’s old members are playing the victim for next to no reason. Like, they almost demonize mimi if that makes sense? Its not like she ever kicked anyone out or removed anyone from a project or anything crazy like that. It sounds to me like she just had high expectations that the others didn’t end up meeting— or maybe because they demonized her their friendship was skewed and she left because she felt like she wasn’t wanted or something. This is all completely speculation though.
I mean, I’m just trying to figure out a more reasonable explanation for their disbandment rather than just simply saying its solely on Mimi. I just highly doubt that shes the sole cause for that, especially considering she made the group originally and worked so hard to keep it up to her standard all of the time.
I just don’t really buy the whole “its only mimi’s fault and nobody elses that an entire group completely disbanded” thing since it doesn’t seem very realistic.
Especially when you go back to the fact that they are all children.
Dunno. Just food for thought.
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>>10218074
That actually makes a lot of sense. I can definitely see how the whole thing with her being placed on some sort of pedestal and loosing friendship connections with the rest of the group could have led up to their downfall.

However, I think that she is the cause of the disbandment because she probably just got tired of doing everything herself. I dont know if its because she didn’t accept any help or if its because nobody offered to help. I.e. with the costume making. If Polaris and Io were capable of making their costumes (like they did for Renaissance in Astreal) why didn’t they do that in Stellure? I doubt Mimi would have had any issue with them doing it if they offered considering Luna, Nix, Callisto, and Astra made their own costumes. It just seems like they could have offered more help in certain spots to keep Mimi from hitting her breaking point— which im assuming was her goodbye-post.

Like you said though, Its all speculation after speculation.
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>>10217928
Chocolate Idol Network? I love the idea of a POC oriented server but Christ, they couldn’t have picked a better name?
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>>10218090
What point is there in having a poc oriented server?There is no need to start singling people out, we're all here for the same thing.
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>>10218012
No one is hungry for drama you're just fucking stupid
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>>10218074
Sometimes there isnt a reasonable explanation for things and maybe mimi's stress/need to have control cause her to create skewed relationships on her side. We never will know what exactly went down and I don't think anyone is blaming mimi solely because faults are never one sided. Yes the girls could have been stronger and spoke up but mimi could have done things differently too. In the end she disbanded stellure and all we have are speculations
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>>10218094
But it's easier to talk to other PoC idols about things that we struggle with personally as PoC, like working twice as hard, hair, makeup tones, photos...
And having a network to find other idols of color is nice. I don't feel as alone.
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>>10218108
>Working twice as hard
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>>10218099
>hearsay comments about ambiflora and julily
>claiming all defense is selfpost
>still conspiring about stellue and mimi
>complaining about poc discords
>no physical proof about any claims
ok
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>>10217946
>>10217949
Based on posts on his page, it said he didn’t make the cut for some reason (he just says it was discussed and agreed upon) but they still decided to give him a graduation performance. So who the fuck knows. I didn’t think anything of it until I realized he didn’t meet Julily until April apparently.

>>10218074
Lets not forget we STILL don’t know what happened with Stella other than her own posts.
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>>10218142
Get off of 4chan then. No one's making you come in here if it's just drama anyways. You just as thirsty to hear the gossip
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>>10218182
what thef cuk
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>>10218182
I’m sorry but what.
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>>10218182
Get the fuck out
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>>10218182
shut up himeluka
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Good lord, this thread is brutal this time. Is this what happens when the starting "topic" is just rehashing old drama?
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>>10218014
Or both (one that is audience favorite versus one that comes from social media stats) would make a very interesting comparison
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Seconding wanting the link for 194pro discord
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>>10218307
These threads are always like this, anon. If its not Julily, its Mimi and vice versa. They,'re big names in the community and gulls are catty bitches. Look at the online lolita community threads, a lot of it is people bitching about Tyler and Lor.

>>10218014
Can we do something like this? A weekly/monthly "chart"? Or quarterly updates? If people are serious about creating a western idol community, we should be working towards an active database of groups, a chart and resource guides, even for the dreaded love live groups. Honestly, a database for both original idols and idol anime cosplay groups would be nice, if not too ambitious. We're basically all one large "idol related" community anyway and people frequently hop between both original and cover groups.
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>>10218341
>What is google
If you search for it, someone's instagram pops up with a link in the bio to a discord invite
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>>10218074
Oh it's definitely unfair to say Mimi is the only reason. My speculation is that since a lot of the members were graduating from highschool and moving to different states, it would be hard to stay active. So, the easiest choice would be to disband and let the members continue on their own path.
My biggest wonder is why Mimi decided to end the group earlier than discussed without telling anyone? I think that's why all the blame is getting placed on her.
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>>10218182
Stop. Just stop.
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Groups to add to spreadsheet: (all of them are active I believe)
Moonlight Melody, duo
Twin Kuru, duo
Macrocosm, 4 members
Aikan, trio
Don't know if she counts, but 5xpop is one of those story/idol/oc groups. No vocals, but super active.
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>>10217507
If there was ever a reason to wear black dance shorts when wearing anything other than white.....

This it.
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>>10218100
I haven’t commented on all the Stellure stuff since I don’t know much about them but I know they messaged my and several other groups about doing a final graduation live thing long before their disbandment was announced (like six months to a year before, it was like September or October). In the message they said it was because several of their members were going off to college. The final live showcase never happened but they had planned to disband a long time before it was officially announced
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>>10218353
>Can we do something like this? A weekly/monthly "chart"? Or quarterly updates?
I'm making it right now. It might be done tonight, but give it until the end of the weekend just in case.
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>>10218375
I agree. Has anyone asked her?
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Julily has deactivated or deleted her instagram.
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>>10218509
Great fucking job, everybody. Ruining someone’s reputation who didn’t even do anything wrong. She didn’t deserve all of this, in my honest opinion.
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>>10218412
There is lots of groups we talk about that arent on the spreadsheet yet... I think spreadsheet gull intentionally leaves out groups they don’t like.
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I don’t remember where I had heard it, through some friends I think, but chiiyo had the idea for ambiflora, started scouting for members and approached julily and asked her to be the “leader” even though chiiyo founded the group, he let julily take the spotlight since she had done idol groups and such before, then I believe from there julily contacted himeluka and griffy, and the others. she told them that it was a top secret very professional group and they would be making their own music, not covering songs. I heard through word of mouth of chiiyo being the founder, I don’t think I have any messages about it.
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Who is ambifloras/ julily’s producer?
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>>10218533
This is hearsay, I know Chiyo and Julily are pals tho some confirmation from one of them how Ambiflora was founded would go a long way
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>>10217742
>>10217651
>>10217648

uh is anyone doing a google doc for this part like they were for the last one(s)? anyone taking notes about posts and saving them? i would but I’m stupid, last person to do it was a genius lol
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>>10218509

Good, she should take some time to reflect and actually swallow the criticism given to her. Don’t pursue an entertainment based hobby if you can’t take the heat.
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>>10218531
I don’t know if the anon doing it still is, but I emailed them before with some groups and soloists who weren’t on there / some updated links, and they added them. I think it’s just impossible for one person to do it without help
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>>10217423
My problem with her lately isnt about her character or who she is as a person... it's the fact that when she needed to step away from OIC no one was running the show. I think I it's time for her to realize if she wants to be a part of all these projects shes going to have to give up some control. Like she does a lot but why doesn't anyone else on staff do stuff? Why is she the only one who answers emails? And updates the website? Like seriously where is the rest of the staff? Theres at least like 10 of them that could be helping
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>>10217918
Seriously I dont think I've seen any of them do anything. Like how hard is it to check your email and delete the dead chats
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>>10218648
Then that sounds like your problem isn’t with her. Your problem is with the rest of the staff.

Let’s move on. People at this point are being redundant and the damage is already clearly done.
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>>10218657
Agreed. I could really care less who the leader or founder of Ambiflora
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>>10218505
Not that I know of. She probably had her reasons, but without knowing the full story, it comes off bad.
>>10218531
Doubt it. Pretty much what >>10218593 said.
Hopefully they'll get more help. There are a ton of groups out there, it's impossible to keep track of them all.
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What are the best groups that dance and sing that you know of?
I don’t care which country they are from but I’d like them to have it all, sing, dance and also cute or aesthetically pleasing.
I’d like to discover some gems, or at least try to and I am greatfull for any help
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>>10218531
hi, spreadsheet gull here!
i don't leave out groups i "dislike". i understand that because everybody here can be extremely mean that you'd stretch to the fact that i'd intentionally do something like that, but i don't so please don't get the wrong intentions.

i rely solely on the community to send me emails of groups they haven't seen on the spreadsheet. comments like >>10218412 don't help because these threads get very cluttered very quickly when there's something to talk about. also, where are their social media links? i need something to go off of, even just one link and I can find the rest myself, to make sure im inputting the correct group into the spreadsheet.

The last email I've received was on May 15. So if there are groups not on the spreadsheet you'd like to see, email me! Trust me, it's not a lot for one person as this community is a lot smaller than you'd think. But I do also have a helper who updates it on their own when they get the chance and manages the original songs section of the spreadsheet. I mostly just add what's in the emails I receive.

Sorry for the wall of text!
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>>10218697
Peachy Parade, Amaitsuki, Ice Qream, Honey Hime are the best singing/dancing wise according to me.
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>>10218729
Thank you for clarifying, I was that anon. Thanks for your hard work and I understand it’s difficult, I just assumed the worst.
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What are the discussions in 194pro like? I'm looking for somewhere non-anonymous to get concrit and advice for my group.
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>>10218766
I haven't seen any real concrit discussion in there. It's pretty memey and less serious.
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>>10217924
People gave Julily shit for explaining why Himeluka graduated instead of just saying that she graduated, and now you're giving her shit for not saying why Chiyo graduated. What do you people want from her.
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>>10218803
I think it was unfair how much went round. I think people were right to say the group seemed a little rough on stage but that's not to say the audience didn't support them. The main thing here is it's obvious she reads forums if she suddenly shuts all accounts down. The thing is if you're going to be an idol, you do have to learn not to read forums and definitely ignore the hate. You really can't let it get to you. It's very difficult but avoiding certain places like *ahem* here is key. Actual idols from Japan and South Korea get hate all the time but they have to ignore it as they have an image to uphold. So my point is people are always going to say things not in the nicest way but don't let it get to you and don't make it obvious it gets to you and you are a lurker. This is advice for all net idols who seem to lurk on here. If you see your name, just get off here! Friendly advice from a fan of net idols no matter the talent.
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>>10218527
She ruined her own reputation with not answering legitimate questions, her ego, and this last God awful AmbiFlora performance..... Gulls just didn't help with all the false accusations and harshness.
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>>10218533
Chiyo isn't the founder. He was just a member. Julily founded the whole thing.
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>>10218769
It's there, it's just memes tend to flood the chat and I wish they'd stop that sometimes.
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>>10216377
That 100% sounds right (I assume you were at AniParty?)
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>>10216505
AWA by far for net idols I mean the gold standard for US net idols is peachy, (the gold standard for LL groups is.. I would say Aquarius)
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>>10218697
PinkFantasy has really good vocals and are cute. They're a nugu group but I love them with all my heart. They debuted in October and their subunit debuted not too long ago. Their concept is.. interesting. It's Alice in Wonderland based.
Dancing wise, Dreamcatcher is the way to go. They have a pretty large international fanbase but unfortunately haven't gotten any awards (that I know of) They're also huge dorks which is a fun contrast from their horror concept.
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Wow what a dumpster fire of a thread. I'm ambivalent about ambiflora, but the Julily shit talking has gone too far and its unmerited imho. Everyone complaining about her(as a person not as a performer) are operating on assumptions and literal anonymous hearsay. The performance wasn't good, okay. That happens, they're still fairly new and have time to improve.

I really feel like there's just a group of people that need someone to shit talk and move from one group or person to another weekly, and went at her because she's a big name and therefore an easy target. You should be ashamed for running one of the original netidols, who fostered people into this hobby, out of the hobby. Christ.
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>>10219007
It just feels like this whole conversation didn't need to be as big as it got and everyone is just eating up another person being destroyed.

As a relevant redirect, Metrocon is starting today. There's a singing contest on Friday, daily kpop dance panels, HRTLocket is debuting as an Aqours cover group(idk them so unclear if they're singing), Cafe Kira Hoshi daily (I think Pengy of Mosuri is performing for that?), a couple other LL dance panels, and Idolfest are happening on Saturday. Do we know who's on the lineup for Idolfest and will any of you be attending?
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>>10219007
You realize that repeating the exact same things other people have said to criticize the ones complaining is only making it worse, right?

To all of you: want to defend Julily? Then shut up. Stop bringing it up and move on to the current topics. Jfc
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>>10219016
>>10219015
Literally just did, but okay. You're so aggressive I can't even tell if you are genuinely trying to help or just trying to tamp down people voicing support.
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>>10219022
Boy I was telling people to shut up before all the voices came in lmao
I'm just annoyed how people say they care about someone, but won't let go what made them so upset in the first place. How is she supposed to recover properly if this is constantly brought up? Let it go already
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Where’s the helpful anon who links all the new content? That would be great about now
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>>10219037
That would be nice, but maybe there aren't enough recent uploads to merit it. They've been curiously absent during this mess, hmm.
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>>10219000
nono
I mean net idol groups, not kpop
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the working title i've got for the oic alt is idoldex, and here's a little logo mockup i made

ive never designed a logo, admittedly ;;;

i have a possible website up and running but homepage design is still going

i'm willing to make a discord for it if anyone wants to help at all. rn i'm thinking a wordpress install but i'm admittedly new-ish to this and am open to ideas and suggestions!
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>>10219015
>Pengy
>tfw no pengy gf
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>>10219065

Art anon that offered help the other day. For a first try you honestly did decently, but please let me help you lmfao.

Please drop the discord I can hash out a nice logo in an hr or less. I can even show you some of my practices and work that’s idol related.
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>>10219087

https://discord.gg/fuDw3a

discord get ya discord link

ignore icon just used a random one for now
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>>10219158
Might be best to get a trip now if you plan to be a figurehead in the community
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>>10219163
yeah youre right. done!
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>>10219044
I agree with the previous anon in that Peachy Parade is easily one of the best NA net idol groups out there. They’re all pretty cute, they make nice outfits, their vocals and dancing are pretty good and stable (though there are some members that are better dancers and some that are better singers but I think that’s pretty normal in a diverse group). outside of NA, Honey Hime are one of my favorites. Their singing is almost always nice to listen to and they’re all super cute as well. If you want to look into a North America based idol group that’s professional, I suggest seishun youth academy. Ice Qream are also pretty good but imho their appearances are a bit lacking. They have decent voices though.
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>>10219179
I would really really recommend your friends come forward either publicly or to veterans in the idol community, especially if they’re minors. There are resources and people that are able to support them, they don’t have to handle this on their own.
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>>10219037
I can give it a go, not subscribed to every net idol channel though so I'll be searching through recent uploads on YouTube. I'm guessing I should search for net idols, odottemita or dance covers etc. and then filter out all the kpop or Japanese coverists?
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our idol updater seems to have been scared away by the drama in this thread, so bare with me. i have a few links to share idk if im doing it right orz

[ENERGETIC, Live] Tambourine's set at Peachy Party Idol Fest 2019.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xowiOvH8W70

[TALENTED, K-Pop] Ice Qream cover of Orange Caramel - Lipstick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDTMaqHcyNk

[ADORABLE, J-Pop] Citrus cover of AKB48 - Aitakatta, Koisuru Fortune Cookie from 2017. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-khYW63YSkI

[ORIGINAL SONG, Cute] Kuro Hime released Everyday! Shiawase! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejpjzH9PwXM

[COSPLAY, Sultry] Poppy from Tambourine covering Guilty Eyes Fever! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvnbIAcHiUE

[ORIGINAL SONG, Animated] Crystal Rose released Brand New Me, it's animated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKkgUZmHUk8

(sorry if im missing any groups i follow NA/english groups)

Current News to discuss:
METROCON in Florida is this weekend, idols are going and doing things there including Auracle, Mosuri, Tambourine, and others.
Squeeze is doing more ARG stuff.
Citrus is returning with more content after their long break.
Alex Pinku taking logo commissions.
One Wish are going to be performing this weekend.
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in slight defense of julily, i feel like writing the article doesn't really imply she thinks she's better than anyone? i thought it was a good read. i always thought of writing how-to guys as sort of adopting an authoritative character. No one's going to take an article seriously if it adopts a humble, self deprecating voice. I think that article came from a genuinely good and helpful place.

i know thats not the bulk of her criticism but i dont really know much about it otherwise
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>>10219366
The issue with the article was that it was riddled with more defensive language than direct language. It doesn’t hav to be nice and sweet, but you don’t have to take on a “you’re wrong in how you think so here let us help you.” The point could’ve gotten across different and Julily herself admitted that.
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>>10219389
ahhh, that's fair. to be honest though, i wasn't reading it as someone who's an idol so i guess i didnt have any reason to feel criticized
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>>10219285
Mosuri has been posting costume progress shots on their instagram and they look really cute! I'm excited to see them in action.
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>>10219389
link to the article?
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>>10219421
https://www.overseasidolcollection.com/before-you-decide-to-be-an-idol-part-0/
I’m unsure if it’s edited but it doesn’t look so. I believe the first installment is there too.
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>>10219430
Even though a lot of this seems to be honest advice coming from her experiences, this is still super preachy. The next part even more so
>you are NOT an idol if you don't do these things
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Does anybody else find it oddly coincidental that as soon as people start coming out defending Julily and that topic starts going away, somebody asks about her producer who apparently is controversial, and now a shitstorm is starting to brew over that?

I swear, all of this has got to be a targeted attack against Julily. Just leave the poor girl alone already jfc. She worked hard to get to where she is. Who she works with shouldnt fucking matter.
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>>10219285
Tambourine idols always have this energy that's really corny but I kind of like! I think seeing them live would be really fun. Also interesting to see poppy doing a more sultry song for once.
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what's the best way to advertise my site to idols to submit themselves to it? it's not done yet, but it's coming along!
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>>10219519
I'd say message groups on instagram, comment on their youtube videos and explain what the site is, and ask if they can promote it? Making official social media accounts might help.

I would also love if the discord could become active e.g. with weekly discussions, challenges. etc.
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>>10219519
Make a related Instagram and reach out to a few groups to feature them/have someone run the Instagram with a Linktree to the website/Discord server etc. The majority of idol groups are on Instagram so that's probably the easiest way to advertise and gather more names. Will there be different categories for group types (cosplay/non cosplay)? Reaching out across the board would be the best bet. Just watch your posting times/engagement.
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this is exactly why ppl didn’t want to come forward in the first place.
i’m not sure who the other anon talking abt ryo is but IM saying this right now: i don’t give a fuck about julily. we are literally not trying to tear her down. i want to warn people about this fucking creep and that’s IT.
you want proof? i literally told you guys we’re working on getting our statements and proof together.
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The song chart website is coming along. I'll try to have it online tonight. These are the top 7 original songs in the 12 songs I'm using for testing:

1 Interlunium - Level Up (Altair/ENG Version)
2 【Legacy】Spring is in the Air (Music Video)
3 Niji Universe Inc. 虹バス - Ai'm Loving You 愛'm Loving You (ALY) OFFICIAL MV
4 黒姫のサードシングル|Kuro Hime's 3rd Single【Everyday!幸せ!】
5 Renaissance彡 - Astreal Idols
6 【MV】Brand New Me / Crystal Rose [公式]
7 Hello Days 【MV】/ Flusay Girls [公式] 【フルセイ少女】
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Okay I am a bit lost
Is Ryo from Supercell Julily's producer? If so, weather he is a creep or not why doesn't he help her with anything?
Why not help her music. everything and produce, I mean she has really little content and a mediocre song at best, i don't get it sorry
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>>10219574
I literally give no fucks about this ryo person but it def seems like some of the people criticizing him are linking him to julily and implicitly trying to tear her down through that connection. Not saying you, but others here seem to be doing so. >>10219464 makes an interesting point.
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>>10219601
No, the Ryo who is Julily’s producer is not supercell Ryo. He just uses the same name.
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>>10219601
Maybe whoever he is is just busy? I mean music producers dont necessarily work with just one person at a time. If he really is supercell, maybe hes got other projects? If hes not, maybe hes got a day job?

In any case, why does it matter?
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>>10219489
Love Tambourine idols, they're very polished.
>>10219078
Where did this pengy hype come from
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>>10218538
>>10219601
So like, why are people suddenly super interested in who julilys producer is??

Why after all the dust with her critics was settled are people still finding ways to bring her back up? What is this?
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This thread is fucking pathetic. Fucking “idols”
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>>10219626
Not that anon but I didn't think much about Pengy's dancing until I saw her swampcon performance which was bangin. I would also be hype to see her live
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Pengers is just a cute.
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>>10219627
I posted some things about Julily here and in the last thread (maybe once or twice) but even I’m super confused about the sudden bring up of her producer. It’s one thing if it was brought up separately but it feels like someone started this recent debate just to bring it around to Ryo. Just so there’s a reason to talk about him. I say we just all stop talking and move on unto someone posts online if they even do.
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>>10219672
If they really wanted to just warn people, they could have brought him up any old time. I still feel like somebody is actively trying to drag Julily through the mud and brought up her producer to further do that because if he's garbage, then she must be garbage by association. I just want to call out this scummy behavior. Let's keep this Mean Girls mentality out of our community please?

And now move on.
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>>10219658
Pengy is >our girl
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Pengy 2020
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>>10219627
I have never said anything about Julily, mainly because I don't care, but since everyone was talking about her and her producer I got lost and curious that's all.
I don't understand what deeper meaning you are looking for, it's pretty simple.
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Redirecting to some good OIC news: the other admins and staff now have full control of the server and are going to do a bunch of maintenance and internal changes with staff stuff so OIC's actually doing what it's supposed to do. I've like these admins and just felt like they didn't actually have admin levels of control over everything before so I'm a bit more hopeful rn. If they and the staff can get responsibilities spread out properly to everyone, that'd be a really nice change.

The first thing these admins did was introduce a server that's public and will be accessibe to anyone so that they're not gatekeeping their community. I'm assuming they'll put it on the website sometime during this maintenance period, and I'll post that here when that's done. I'm glad they opened their "we're making changes 'round here" statement with a task that was finished and not just a list of promises.
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Y'all never learn do you? Oml
If you don't want Julily's name associated with something as disgusting as pedophilia then don't. bring. her. up.
Don't put it in people's minds that she could possibly be associated. Even if your intentions are good, you're part of the problem. Knock it off and move on.
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>>10219843
OIC Lite looks pretty much the same as the normal discord. Though, I am glad there isn't as big of a diversion (?) between OIC members and regular people anymore. It feels more welcoming I guess? Think I'm going to move to that one lol
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>>10219846 #
Yeah that seems to be the point of it, to make it feel more like one blob of people instead of a few categories where one is clearly more distinctive. They'll still keep the main discord, but I'm going to assume they'll be focusing it more on networking idols and others in the database together rather than having all random discussion happen there. That's my hope at least, and if they do it that way then it'll feel much better to be a non-official member compared to before.
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>>10219910
Yeah.
It's gonna sound stupid, but the members discord felt lonely to me? Like I always felt like a little kid that just wondered in there because of the OIC and non-OIC member distinction, it made me feel disconnected from the community cuz I wasn't "official". Idk how to describe it, maybe someone else has a similar feeling that can word it better
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>>10219944
It definitely could be lonely if you weren't the type to proactively try to be involved, which many aren't. I'm pretty excited for OIC Lite desu
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>>10219958
True, true. I think it'll be easier to talk to people on Lite since there's not as much activity, so it's harder to get drowned out.
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>>10219843
I'm a little salty that they're starting with server and bot maintenance and not going through the backlog of applications for the OIC database, but as long as things are actually moving it's okay.
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>>10220171
its only two people technically working on all the maintenance. if your salty, maybe direct message and ask if they need help?
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>>10218353
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>>10218333
the chart is up at oichart.com (pic related)
its calculating the top 20 (out of 40 songs). I used the list in the OP to get the songs. it should update every hour. feedback and suggestions welcome.
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forgot the pic
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>>10220262
How are the rankings calculated? Is it just sorting by all time youtube views?

If possible it’d be easier to evaluate newer releases and have more even playing field to also have a chart that ranks based on views within the last month or week. Not sure if achievable with how you’re doing it unless you are basically socialblade level?
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>>10220270
its sorting by recent views. so right now #1 is getting about as many views as #2-4 combined so that's why it's doing so well even though it has alot less views than #2.

in this case, new releases would do well because they would be getting a bunch of front loaded views from people checking it out. but the new releases will drop in rank over time if they aren't getting as many views as older videos.
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>>10220273
Yo anon this is awesome to see! (I’m the original anon who suggested a top 40) glad someone got something up since I am hopeless at that kind of stuff. Hopefully whoever creates the next thread can include this link in the OP.
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>>10220182
I know they reopened their staff apps and mentioned they'd be taking in more help, so I'm sure they'll be getting to all of that stuff too. These two just seem pretty capable atm and I'm here for it
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>>10220375
what email are they using for apps? or can I just fill out the form on the website? I’m not in OIC discord so I don’t know lmao
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>>10220377
Use whatever's on their website, that's what they linked when asking for more apps
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Y'all seen Darling's newest trainwreck?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNuvVeoKqAs
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>>10220909

that was hard to watch and had a lot of cuts
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>>10220925
Whoever edited this need to be fired. Dia and Maru were cut off at the very beginning, all you had to do was back up a little bit... The dancing isn't great either. The Mari, Yoshiko, and Ruby were cute though, they were definitely my favorites. Also, the part where they tried to imitate the anime when Chika would have done the back hand spring was hilarious.
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>>10220909
That physically hurt to watch.
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>>10220925
Don’t the cuts match the anime?
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>>10220909

Why is it so hard to just go on YouTube and learn how to edit videos and do different types of cuts. Fuck different angles.

Those poor girls shouldn’t have been cut off from view. They went through editing saw those girls not in frame and posted it anyway. Fucking shoot it again like damn, at this point just hire a recent graduate from a film school. You’ll pay 50 bucks and the kid will edit it and record it leagues better than whatever the fuck this was. No member should feel like an after thought.

I won’t even touch the dancing it speaks for itself.
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>>10220932
Im pretty sure i saw one of them say they didn’t have a speaker?? So i think thats their excuse for the dancing lmao. Not sure what the excuse for the cuts would be, they had to have reviewed it right?
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>>10221030

That’s a shit excuse, have someone count the beats out loud. Everyone should be able to run a dance with someone just clapping the tempo if they knew it enough.

If they weren’t allowed, or scared to play the song out loud, they shouldn’t have performed in that environment. There’s always an excuse and there isn’t one. Dancing is still dancing, you don’t need the music if you know the choreography for simple jpop moves, this shit isn’t swan lake.
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>>10221021
they shouldnt have matched the anime imo, it looks awful and like theyre trying to cover up bad dancing. some cutting is fine but the reason they do it in the anime is to blend cgi with 3d, and it doesnt translate to live action dancing.
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Anyone go to the Metrocon Idolfest? How was it?
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>>10221030
Surely one of them had a phone on them, there's no excuse
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>>10220909
I believe they had someone they met at the con help them do the videography. The name is Sloan? Its not a member of their group, i’m assuming that person was in charge of it and told them it was good— they also said that person editted it and gave that to them. No excuse for dancing though imo
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oichart wasnt working the way i wanted so i made a minor change. it should work better now.
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>>10220909
I feel like unless you can do a trick as good as a back handspring as done in the anime it's better to just not cover it. At least a rebound would look okay
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>>10220909
dietshampoo was bragging in one of her vlogs about how the only spent an hour or two on this PV while most groups spend all day and WOW it shows.
Also the part where it zoomed in on her making intense eye contact made me so uncomfortable oof
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>>10221316
She seriously bragged about that? How embarrassing.
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>>10221316
I wouldn’t call it bragging, but she did mention that.
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>>10221316
Yeah hun there's a reason people take all day fgfhghfhfg
I haven't watched it but the way you worded it makes her sound kinda like an elitist oof
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>>10221363
Not that anon, but she is elitist. If you want a chance to join darling, you have to be her friend prior to joining.

Also why doesn't Darling have their own YouTube channel? Is DS that hungry for YouTube views and subs? It makes no sense since she probably doesn't profit off the videos for copyright reasons.
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>>10221390

>If you want a chance to join darling, you have to be her friend prior to joining.

Why are so many groups like this. I’m not referring to friend groups starting together and maybe branching out but a “leader” of a group trying to be a queen bee. The fact there isn’t separate YouTube channel is proof alone. It’s a recurring thing in the community, and it’s always people who clearly never lead shit in their life. The group is huge, pool money or raise it to buy a camera so fuck ups like this never happens again.
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https://youtu.be/ehJbG5fw8qw
Thoughts? I think it's good. My only complaint is that I wish the vocals were a little thicker, if that makes sense? Like I wish they had more support cause it gets a bit drowned out with the instrumental. Especially would've been appreciated with the screaming bit at the Hellos. Besides that, I love it.
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>>10221420

I love this as well. My only nitpick was some of the pronunciation wasn’t the best but the average weeb wouldn’t know. Everything about this was amazing and the best part is she used people familiar with certain skills to do what she couldn’t. That’s how you get a 10/10 project. You can’t do it? Get someone who can.
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>>10221420
Believe it ir not, that's her vocal aesthetic. Even performing live, she requests the instrumentals be louder than her mic. It makes her voice sound artificial which matches her glitchy robot image.
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>>10221648
Makes a lot of sense, actually. Regardless, she’s pretty damn talented. Her voice is strong and nice to listen to and the song isn’t overly simple and childish like a lot of other original net idol songs. I’ve always known Melancholiaaah was pretty good but she genuinely surprised me with this one. Props to her.
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>>10221648
Oh, really? That's pretty cool.
My hearing sucks tho so I'm afraid of not being able to enjoy her music to the full extent oof ;; but I'm definitely going to check out more of her things, cause this made a wonderful first impression for me.
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Goddamn, her vocals sound really good. What a talent.
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>>10221390
I actually saw her talk about this in a video once. I was really curious about it myself because it seems so elitist. The group just agreed that since everyone knows where to go for Darling videos, and that they already had everything uploaded on there from the start (they didn’t want to reupload that many videos) that the group just decided to leave them there or some such thing like that. Its confusing but in some ways i get it. Not how I would do it though.
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New variety content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myqa2oRhUio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bj7OSkIxzQ
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>>10222553
God blessed us with these videos. Auracle are all so pretty and DZD are really cute together. I wish more groups were like them.
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Looks like bouquets is releasing another song + some new girls, can't find any examples of Suzu's voice actress singing, but most of the bouquets CVs are no names.
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>>10222787
Personally, I like that the CVs are no names. While it’s great to have well known people in a group, if that’s all that exists then there’s no fun of discovery. I personally enjoy seeing new people especially if they are talented.
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>>10222787
I like it, net idol groups seem to pick the most popular people, but they miss out on some real talent who are less popular.I like the new girl but I think the green one is my favorite.
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I know this thread decided to be quieter after the drama but does anyone have any links to recent releases?
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>>10224168
I don’t think there’s been any. I know Squeeze is teasing the end of this round of the ARG but I still don’t get the point of it honestly.
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>>10224168
Only one I know was already posted. I think the next big round of comebacks is in Fall (usually a lot of people release things early summer and late fall)
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>>10224168
I wish old anon was around because I'm not subbed to as much as they are but:

ShiRo Upcoming Single https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw8uJWzq-fE

Auracle Metrocon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtmiRn4i2kA

and did anyone share this I cant recall but I liked it a lot

Meet The Strongest J-pop Girl Idol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJN1Bzapb0E
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>>10224198
I watched that! I’m excited, never seen a group use english songs before? It looked really cool with whatever they do. Ive gotten “proof” they perform live so I guess they don’t post content on purpose. I think theyre teasing a new member
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>>10224225
Auracle were great I love them so much
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>>10224238
Yeah that’s not a doubt. They’ve just continuously pushed back their online debut and now I wonder if it’ll actually happen. They might be teasing a new member but everything more or less leads to blueberry which is already one of the members flavors or whatever. They were supposed to announce new members but then put everything on hold so.
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>>10224319
The blue member is blue raspberry not blueberry I think
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I remember an odottemita general that talked about cosplay covers using popular cosplay for songs not related to the character but matching in personality

Like this for example

Mizca - Dame yo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLA0cJYBQQA

Reol - Addiction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZRhOu3ZKJk
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Any advice for scouting out cool or interesting places to film pvs? I know a lot of people just use parks, but I've seen some seriously amazing backdrops in some of these.
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>>10224386
Take a day or two to explore your area or research locations local photographers recommend. My city doesn't have much, but exploring help me find some hidden gems.
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There were no answers to my question last topic. Do you guys prefer when overseas idol as a more natural make-up (more girl next door vibe, inspired by Hello! Project, AKB, etc.,) or do you prefer where they have more of a Harajuku style/anime make-up (bold eyeliner, big blush, false eyelashes). Any type of make-up you really love for idols? Photo exemples would be great as well!
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>>10224541
I think definitely natural, unless they’re entire branding is going for a more Harajuku-esque feeling? Now I’m thinking that I’d love to see a decora style group
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>>10224541

I like overseaidols to wear makeup that looks best on them and fits with their overall outfits.

Natural makeup is just subdued, it doesn’t mean less makeup. It still includes blush, eyelashes and so on it just a gentler version that amplified the features that the individual has.

Makeup that is more dramatic should do the same but it’s more striking. All it does is focus on one area you deem important.

I’m not going to say “I prefer ____ over ____” because you or someone in the thread might take the majority opinion and follow it like it’s bible.

Look at your group, take everyone’s features and skin into account, take your brand or whatever your costume is for that performance and do the makeup style that fits that.

I would love to see a decora group that does avant-guard makeup extremely well that sounds so much fun. I don’t want to see it if it’s half ass and doesn’t even look good on everyone.
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>>10224386

Some uses CG Greenscreens to cosplay/photo studios for their dances
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>>10224541
I want them to wear makeup suited for the stage lol
I don't care what style it is, as long as they don't look dead or super shiny



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