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>Please read the FAQ before posting in the thread (always updating)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpDyjw2LDxbupdvHMNsBUOBVB66Lzwf44RM1You1GDA/edit?usp=sharing
>Resources
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10uNmynwRn6CRc-OMqCeXmJwCNnEnd-vYi-7AQzSx74I/edit?usp=sharing
>Artist Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ESQ-1h4IRUivbGNaxJFxXyDU1lSv26xTmMdH0sDX7sU/edit?usp=sharing
>How to order from Vograce (now with video on how to set up files)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18UxKnpgrmeb82NnW5e4YIEX-eZ3zHt178Mp6i0A5gME/edit?usp=sharing
>Convention List (always WIP)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13o7hD5xS3sDqVptnTVGUlRae3ovEE-vPPST_QOrQwtM/
>IP taketowns (based on artists contribution, may or may not have been a one time thing, use as a guideline)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1696MDhNPhrZ0ySZhXkoJnGxb7l1OjW4JsVhu1wKvaWE
>AA Inspo (thanks anon!)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1D19QV9nHwaY8AaNiEXZAAkEhkBTSsb01?usp=sharing

If anyone else has inspo photos they'd like possibly added to the above link, email the account cgldrawfags@gmail.com

We have a discord!
If you want into the CGL AA discord, email graveweaverelf@gmail.com with a picture of your table or merchandise. It is not a jury, just to make sure you do cons.

Drama drama drama, goddamn you guys
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how are sales at animazement usually, can't tell if complaints are just from shit artists or if its a slow con all around
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I hope more people post merch pics and art in this thread. Table displays and such. That last thread was devoid of any inspiration.
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>>10174582
Speaking of inspiration, anyone have any portfolio sites that are mainly black/dark colors? Dark colors make my portfolio site look too "condensed" but it's the main color of my brand.
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just gonna post a couple inspo pics for merch and tables/displays
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>>10174712
The last thread was fine the drama wasn't that bad. There was no need for a new one yet.
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>>10174714
It was in autosage.
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>>10174714
The drama aspect is irrelevant. A new thread is usually made after the old one has been on autosage for a bit because saging thread = dead thread, if you hadn’t noticed previously.
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>>10174720
Every summer, we get this cancerous wave of new people to these threads who are probably new not just to the AA general but just 4Chan in general.
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What’s with the salt levels in the thread as of late? Didn’t know you had to have a certain level of artist merit before you could manage a thread on a Mongolian knitting board.
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this fucking thread
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I hope I get an ALA table this year
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Did that person last thread dealing with $1500 in import costs figure out if they were being scammed or not?
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>>10174769
Nobody cares
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Sometimes I'm disappointed when I visit this board and there's not much new AA news but I think I'd prefer a slow thread to whatever's happening in here right now.
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>>10174791
Thread was quieting down and you bring this whiney shit in here?
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>>10174774
I’m curious about this too.
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Does God shot post in the discord? He's like the only great artist I see on the list
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>>10174826
No, I don’t think so, but that list is pretty old and a lot of the artists there aren’t in the discord and vice-versa.
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>>10174797
The screencap was posted yesterday morning and then today there's 50 comments of discourse and a new thread with a whole new discourse so it kinda looked like it was currently happening? Sorry bro.
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I do enjoy the anon or two that comes to the thread every once in a while just to go 'ur all trash, everyone's art is garbageeeee' like its going to have any impact at all
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>>10174791
truth. hate aani but like to help people so prowl this thread but then instead i get this crap every couple weeks. where can i help people in peace.
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Since were all posting drama i think anyone over 30 should quit doing artist alley
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>>10174846
But anon, that implies anyone over 30 needs to get a real job.

How can you convince these nerds to go back to retail?
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....

SO uh.
>>10174677 I don't have any ideas at the top of my head, but do you use different warm/cool darks? Are they muted or saturated?
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>>10174872
Its mainly saturated dark purples, black teal colors. My brand is galaxy themed if that helps.
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>>10174678
thanks anon

this thread is absolute kek

>>10174677
https://www.clairehummel.com/
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>>10174860
post work faget
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>>10174887
>>10174887
Holy fuck! Necer thought I'd see the portfolio work of someone that worked on neopets. Thanks for this anon
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>>10174718
yes. whats wrong with it
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>>10174903
But it’s not painterly and desaturated anon :(
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>>10174915
>it’s not painterly
not sure what that means
>>10174915
>desaturated
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>>10174917
I personally don't like it but it doesn't look amateur.
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This whole thing just raises a question for me which I hope can spur a discussion.


What do you consider a good artist?
Oftentimes I see work trashed despite it being competent in its own way. Some artists purely stick to simple cute chibi things and get called bad- When IMO they are quite good at what they do, they just are not capable of much more. Does an artist having a limited skillset make them "bad" or are they just... Limited?

I oftentimes see detailed paintings hailed as the end-all and be-all of good work, basically the only people universally regarded as "good" are people like wlop or kawacy. But even the good painters draw shitty chibis (like, REALLY weird looking) and make bad designs in other styles because theyre just good with painting. But what is it about painting that is the sole qualifier for a "good" artist, and why are their lack of skill in these other areas overlooked because they are good at painting?

Personally someone, for me, is a good artist if theyre diverse. Even if their work isnt blowaway impressive, if they can create work in whatever style needed, it shows they have a lot of fundamental skills theyre pulling from and an ability to adapt. Adaption IMO is very important as an artist. I think these kinds of people are way better than artists who draw mind-blowing pinups, but thats all they do. What do you guys think?
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>>10174725
School ain't even out yet, what the hell. Why are they shitting up our threads early?


On a brighter note, I've been feeling much better about my art quality recently despite a few years of near hiatus. If the anon who was freaking out about neglected art skills in the last thread is still here, art is always waiting for you to come back when you are ready.
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Does anyanon have good half table inspo that isn't crowded looking?
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>>10174941
What even?
Let's be honest, if it sells -> the artist makes money -> they make a profit
that's all that fucking matters. if it's considered 'good' or not is irrelevant if it doesn't make a profit.
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>>10174967
A lot of things that sell wouldn't be considered good by the greater artist community and vice-versa too, so that's a limited way of looking at it. Plus some artists' works only sell well post-mortem. Honestly, what I consider good is anything where the artist can reliably relay their vision to the viewers. This requires solid fundamentals, at the very least. Some artists have very lovely rendering, but if the composition or anatomy is a mess, it's hard for me to call it good.
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>>10174860
I like the OP image because I can quickly find the new thread when it updates, unlike when it's random images. I know I can search, but it's just nice not to have to sort through all the thirsty "who is this" cosplay girl and horny convention meetup threads. I know nothing about the OP artist and I wouldn't care who makes the threads, except the few times I've seen it NOT be this OP they've fucked it up, made it too early or made competing threads. This is 4chan, it doesn't matter what the quality of the dang pic is. Go to therapy.
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>>10174972
fuck what you care about.
we're talking AA here bud. merch that sells is merch that sells. if you want to talk good art, go to /ic/
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>>10174941
For me I think a good artist needs to have some threshold of minimum skill (though it doesn't have to godtier skill or anything), and creative and original ideas (I'm not saying fanart can't be creative/original before y'all dogpile me - there's a difference between an artistic fanart and just drawing the same character in the same pose as the box art)
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>>10174977
Things can sell without being good, that's where I'm coming from. And by good, I'm talking about good art skills. Having good art skills isn't the be all end all of AA business.
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>>10174941
I personally appreaciate diversity, an artist that can do different styles and focus competently because they’re skilled in a lot themes is more impressive than someone who draws really good pinups but say, are bad at backgrounds and tends to sameface.
But a lot of artists focus a lot on having a personal style, and especially in something like AA having a style and branding helps you distinguish yourself and stand out. Of course having an original style is original and makes you special, but you can usually tell when the artist uses style as a defense for not learning the basics like proper anatomy and perspective. I wish more artists would focus on the foundations more and do studies, but I get that there’s no incentive for you to do so if your art sells anyway.
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>>10174725
what the fuck is this shit level display lmao. the plywood, the kindergarten level collage, the brightest ass pink construction paper and the same print is featured twice
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>>10175032
>tumblr art
where do you think you are
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>>10174941
If the have more than 10k sales it doesn’t even matter what I think anymore and they’re labeled as ‘good’ for me.
If you make good money you’re good.
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I don't really sell in AAs but I have a sort of popular series that's been getting some fan art made recently and that fan art is being sold in AAs. Would it be bad form to ask the artists to send me one of whatever they're selling? I feel like if they're going to make a profit off of MY work the least they can do is toss a pin my way but I don't want to cause a shitstorm.
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>>10175012
Thats actually really cute though
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>>10175096
It would be bad form to demand it, but requesting i think any artist would be willing if not excited to oblige. Most people in AA look up to the content creators, so if you see something just toss a compliment and ask if they could send you one. As long as you dont come off as upset or rude I dont see how anyone could turn it into a shitstorm
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>>10175072
>Is literally everyone autistic here?

Yes!
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>>10175096
I'm super curious as to what kind of franchise has wide enough reach to get AA content sold but just has one indie creator. Could you share what medium your thing is or would that give it away?
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>>10175096
Not bad form at all, i would hope they would be excited to like >>10175102 said?? They should be thankful you are even letting them profit off your work if you're a small creator.
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>>10175096
If the creator approached me for my fan made work I would be ecstatic. They can have at least one of everything I make for free, I would feel horrified if they paid for it. I tend to only make things I'm a fan of so it would be quite cool to give things to the indie creator.
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Wanted to ask here rq if anyone has any setups that feature shirts and prints? I may get some PVC to rig up a platform to have them hanging but that may look to cluttered
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>>10175135
>>10175131
>>10175102
Thank you all for your responses. I certainly don't want to demand anything but I was thinking maybe just a "Hey, if you sell merch can you please send some my way so I can start a collection of fan work?" type of tweet.

>>10175129
I'm so paranoid about giving myself away because my average fan isn't even old enough to post here but there are lots of us. Web comics and indie games (so many indie games) for starters.
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>>10174941
I pretty much agree with >>10174994 >>10174981 in regards to what's considered good AA wise. After a certain level of basic anatomy/perspective/skills it boils down to how appealing it is to the customer, and having a cohesive looking table helps, even if it means the art looks the same.

Also: I have an old sloppy meme print. I cringe internally because I know I can draw better legs now, but everyone who buys it doesn't care about the bad art, they care because it makes them laugh. It still sells well so I still keep it around.
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Critique me pls. Developing/working on a new chibi style for myself and a tougher skin for critique.
I know that it's stiff, not sure if the unclean edges are ok since it's a doodle-y style or if I should polish it up a bit more. This is meant to be a sticker set.
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>>10175237
I don't got it in me to critique this one because I like your style, it's cute anon. My only concern for your stickers is if the grainy crayon look will get lost when it's printed to real life small scale? But at this resolution, I think at like even 1.5" height the details will still be pretty clear. All the best.
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>>10175237
The style works well as a sticker set, would also be cute as wooden charms. Personal nitpick is that Link's outlined hair goes against the lineless/partial lined style you went with everything else.

Only issue I see is the bright white border kisscut is too jarring. A solid fill of any of the background colors would be better.
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Has anyone used shippingeasy or some other kind of shipping platform, and what has your experience with those been like? I generally focus more on commissions than online merch sales, but would like to make things more accessible to international buyers in the future.
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>>10175237
This is adorable! The edges are fine, I just wonder if a tad bit more contrast would help distinguish shapes at a distance
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>>10175237
Chiming in with Anon that the crayon style will either not stand out after being printed or will look like low a quality grainy print. On my phone I can't really tell it's textured and links hair looks very grainy, I'd test it out before making a batch.
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so my first ever tabling experience is at fanx and now im highkey freaking out after looking up the attendance. any other seagull gulls here???
if anyones ever attended a 60k+ con, about how many sales/transactions have do you average?
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>>10175237
I'd lighten the background until the characters pop out better. Keep in mind, you'll want this sticker sheet to be read easily at a distance.
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>>10175237
Its really cute

>>10175380
>if anyones ever attended a 60k+ con, about how many sales/transactions have do you average?
The same amount as a con of any other size.
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>>10175490
Lmao ok
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>>10175380
Without knowing what kind of merch they sell and what their art level is at, any info is going to be useless for you. Also not all 60k cons are the same in terms of buying interest.
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>>10175532
That's what I wass assuming. I cant really find anyone else who's sold there before so I'm just nervous
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>>10174524
its a pretty slow con im literally only selling to see friends haha
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I asked about this a long while back but I don't think it got answered, but has anyone sold at Nan Desu Kan in Denver? How is it?
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>>10175380
Just as >>10175532 said, it's different for every person and location.

Sigh, but here are my numbers anyways.
First my art skill is average and anime focused. I've never done fanx but I've done LA Comic Con with 60+ attendees and only bought in $1k. That doesn't factor in cost and expenses. For comparison, at small-medium anime cons with <15k attendees, I bring in $2k. I always do worse at comic cons compare to anime cons. If you don't have any art from western series, start making some for fanx. That will help.
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What's in these days? Besides cape shit
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>>10176267
Surprising resurgence of late 80s/90s classics
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>>10176270
surprising? pop culture goes in 30 year cycles, we’ll all be selling steven universe reboot merch in 2049
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>>10176270
Like?
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>>10176267
Pikachu
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This studio. They sell laminated badges super cheap 5 for $10 or sometimes 6 for $10 and they have over 900 designs. I tabled next to them once in artist alley and my sales significantly dropped. Now they've recycled all their badge art into acrylic charms. I pray they'll charge a reasonable price and not $5 per charm.
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>>10176534
i feel like you'd spend so much time checking all the charms for one you wouldn't like that you'd end up buying something just out of embarrassment
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>>10176344
that's a grim thought in many ways
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>>10176534
Weren't these the people who tried to kickstart an acrylic charm printing company? I remember one of the incentive tiers being a new charm every month for life.
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>>10175211
gigi dg?? lol

>>10175237
cute af. maybe check if the values work in greyscale?
you might want to
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>>10176534
I think I saw them at lvl up expo, their art didn’t look very good but I did see a whole bunch of the locals having them attached to their bag. Guess the cheapness is what people want not quality.
Their booth looks overwhelming though so I say I’m not impressed. Anyone have a close up of their art?
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>>10176534
Name of studio?
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>>10176561
Yes; here's their Kickstarter and some work:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/899406476/acrylic-chibi-badges-575-adorable-characters
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>>10176534
IF this is someone I’ve seen before and am thinking of, I remember their chibis being really ugly. But hey, I guess people are all over them.
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>>10176571
Oops, guess I posted too soon and didn’t see the studio name...not the studio I was thinking about.
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>>10176570
Wait a minute. They’ve reached their funding on Nov 2016 but I’ve seen them around still selling laminated badges and no acrylic badge. I get it may take awhile to learn new equipment and machines, but it’s been over 2 years now.

I tried checking their instagram listed on kickstarter. Link is broken. I found their new IG = chibitasm. They made a recent post saying they received their first batch of acrylic charms. The charms appear out-sourced.
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>>10176551
there's a book on the table sorted by fandom you can flip through
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>>10176267
Get in on the Kimetsu no Yaiba train before it really explodes. The anime is doing super well right now and it's only at episode 7. I have a feeling the west is going to pick it up pretty soon, now that the anime's hitting its stride.
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>>10176267
Boku no Hero Academia, ANIME cape shit. My Sarazanmai prints also sold out last weekend which was really surprising to me but I'm happy. Houseki no Kuni has also been a great performer for me. Just get into ongoing series and draw what you like. Remember, if you're concentrating on the same popular stuff everyone else is doing, you have to compete with the people who are better than you, cheaper than you, and who give more of a shit about the series than you. Not many people are going to be carrying merch for that semi-popular anime airing this season but there are still people looking to buy stuff from it.
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>>10176735
Good points. I was cautious about Sarazanmai doing well, but I'm glad it did for you. Of course it all depends on the art itself, but I was worried no one really watched the show.
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is it really obvious when someone draws fanart of series they never watched and how looked down upon is it? Sometimes I love the designs of some charas and want to draw them but i don't have time watch the show
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>>10176765
I at least attempt to know it somewhat because it would embarrassing if I ended up making an error in drawing or conversation. It’s hard to tell how looked down upon it is, because that depends on the person, but if an artist told me that they don’t care for the series and just wanted to make money off it, I would personally feel a bit disillusioned and might not purchase the item.
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>>10176765
i would make sure to do a thorough wikipedia on the series at least. i personally do not care and purchase everything available on my big personal favs or unpopular character, quality mattering very little compared to availability- excluding reprints of already existing commercial art. but i do know a lot of fans take that very personally so id just bs that youre interested in the series but didnt have enough time to catch up or wtv and let them geek at you and feel obliged to buy something
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gloss vs matte? i prefer matte (and hate gloss) but does gloss seem showy-er or more professional? or more preferable in any way
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>>10176772
On what? Prints, stickers, keychains?
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>>10176779
just prints
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>>10176267
on the subject, do the mcelroys still have a fandom?
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>>10176796
Yes I think, but I Tabled next to someone last weekend who had mcelroy merch and all weekend it was "oh I thought they didn't allow fan merch?" "oh really? I wasn't aware" so just, be aware
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>>10176772
I tend to find gloss prints more vibrant in color, but maybe that's just me.

Has anyone ordered uncoated prints before? I don't know if there's a big difference or not in quality.
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>>10176772
I like matte, but I find it also depends on the art style and subject.
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>>10176800
ah, thanks.
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>>10176800
it looks like the boys really dont want fan merch sold, which makes sense since they live fulltime off their ip. but i guess they wont stop you if you follow undertale rules
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>>10176570
Man there really are a lot of merch sellers in AAs that are just all about quantity over quality, huh?
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>>10176812
>>I tend to find gloss prints more vibrant in color, but maybe that's just me.

Same. For both home printed and out sourced, colors look a lot better on glossy. But the glare makes it look cheap.
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Can anyone say how the quality of Ink it Labs compares to Zap? Zap hasn't been to good for me lately so I've been thinking of switching, and Ink it Labs does look nice but they're also slightly more expensive. Is their quality noticeably better to justify the rise in price?
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>>10176570
Isn't this the group that tried to pass off an acorn charm as their own printing for their kickstarter?
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>>10176875
Slightly more expensive?
For 1000 zap charges $1600 USD, ink it or chilipig like $2200 USD
Zaps prices are unbeatable next to Chinese manufacturers (vograce and what not, and you don’t get your art stolen from zaps like you do with Chinese)
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>>10176909
I genuinely could care less about how "good" Zaps pricing is when their QC is so abysmal 1/3 of the charms I ordered had some sort of printing problem. I'd rather pay more to get charms I can actually sell, which is why I was asking about the quality of the product and not the price.
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>>10176925
Ink it has always had really good quality. I've order from them and their charms are top notch. You get what you pay for.
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Comparison photo, not mine
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>>10176937
Okay yeah that's bad.
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>>10176937
jesus
zap is so damn expensive for how bad it is. why not just use vograce?
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>>10176599
I wonder if they even bought the equipment, or if they were too frustrated and re-sold it without telling anyone.

>>10176879
Looks like it.

>>10176937
Thank you for sharing this. I'm using Vograce for now until I can afford InkIt. I heard Zap has gotten better, but I was always told Vograce is the better of the cheaper options in terms of quality. I'm putting an order in with them this weekend, so we'll see.

Some people are worried about Vograce stealing artwork. I've only heard these stories from secondhand sources so I don't know the context.
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>>10176937
Damn, that's a huge difference. Will definitely consider trying Ink it next, thanks anon!
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Sage for doublepost, but does the quality of Zap's wooden charm print differ from their acrylics? Would anyone recommend their wood over acrylic?
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>>10176796
They do although it's been dying down a little. As >>10176800 mentioned, there's debate over whether fan merch is allowed or not. (>>10176829 specifically is talking about Redbubble and AFAIK, there isn't a concrete joint statement from them about the issue. I know Clint's actually bought fanmerch from some of my friends as well, so it seems like they're split.)

What a lot of artists do is just offer McElroy fanmerch for free with any other purchase at their table. That way, you're not going against their wishes and you're still able to participate in the community/engage with other fans. I've seen people do this with prints, pinback buttons, and stickers so it might be worth a try if you're considering it.
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>>10176937
I’ve ordered over 10k charms from zaps and I’ve never had them turn out that bad like pictured.
Looks more like a saturation problem on the artists behalf, also look like they didn’t subtract 2 pixels from the white layer (you can see that light white line around their artwork)
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>>10176961
thats what i meant, theyre not saying no to undertale rules but theyve never explicitly said yes either. so personally id never buy any fan mcelmerch unless it was hand made or a limited run kinda thing.
But i do love that idea, ive been dying to make some taz merch (and have a lot of unpublished sketches) if i have any time im totally gonna make some freebies.
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>>10176570
okay this is fucking killing me, they got 9.2k funds with only 90 backers??? or 4.5k with 89? maybe i should stop trying to get better as an artist...
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>>10176851
hmm alright. it may be worth it then to sample both. i hate the glare cause im a blind old man and it like obscures a lot of the picture which seems counterintuitive to me
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>>10176988
Considering the white is only visible at the bottom of the design, and the cut border is also uneven (closer to the design at the top, farther away at the bottom), it's a problem of the design shifting and no longer being aligned with the other layers. Whether or not this was a problem with the submitted file or a Zaps fuck-up is another thing, but subtracting wasn't the problem here.
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>>10177039
Hence why it needs to be two pixels instead of just one,
Two pixels eliminates the border from showing white on any side, because yes the artwork can shift a pixel or two when setting up the artwork to be printed onto the acrylic.
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>>10177024
Some family member or something swooped in on the last day and dropped 5k so the ks could get funded.
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>>10177071
The white isn't even the biggest problem on the charm, at least compared to the absolutely fucked up cut border. Considering how badly misaligned the border is, I'd say that you have no way of telling if the white has been subtracted or not because even if it was it'd still peek out of the borders with the shift being that big.
I'm not saying every bad charm is Zaps fault instead of customers not preparing their files correctly, but there's literally no reason to defend Zap this hard when multiple people have mentioned getting faulty charms, and there being a side by side comparison to a better charm with the same design yet none of the same problems right in this very thread.
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>>10176949
I haven't gotten acrylics from them but I like the way my wooden charms turned out
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>>10177096
the cut border is bad but that has nothing to do with the printing, different processes. but yeah, both look pretty bad.
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>>10176940
>>10176943
>>10176946
>>10176947
>>10176988
for full clarity's sake, the image that anon posted is from 2014.

IN SAYING THAT
I've had a really shit run with zap recently, and on their wood charms >>10176949 - I think they're just really busy with peak con season, but they're getting really slack with actually checking over artwork and following specific directions.
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>>10177138
Thank you. That's good to know! I'll take a chance with them next time they have a sale on them.
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>>10177272
>2014
Makes sense then, I started using them in 2018. They’ve really improved a lot since then.
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>>10177272
The same thing happened to an AA friend who had to throw her stock out cause the quality of the wooden charms were very rushed.

I wish Zap wasn't the only store that had a monopoly on wooden charms and it annoys me that their No. of unique designs numbers for wood pin badges are different from their wood charms, even though they're just the same thing with an extra pin
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>>10177272
I may wait until after con season dies down to try them out, then.

>>10177352
There is always InkIt Labs Chilly, Pig, and Acorn Press for wood charms. Zap isn't the only one, but they are likely the cheapest.
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Speaking of charms, does anyone know if there's a faster way to remove the adhesive backing/cover than just..manually peeling them off? It's driving me nuts
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>>10177376
Let the customer do it lol
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>>10177411
NAYRT, but man when I did that I would always get angry messages about people’s charms being defective lmao. I even put in the description that there was a protective film on them, but nobody ever reads.
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>>10177446
By the time the customers receive the charm they won’t remember that, you need to include a small note or reminder directly in the package with the charm. Have never gotten a complaint or comment about them doing it that way!
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>>10177079
it's that a common thing wih kickstarters? you drop some of your own money in at the start(to salt the mine) and at the end?
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i'm going to buy a bunch of tshirts. what sizes are best to get do you think?
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>>10177552
Xs - 2x is the most common range in retail. If you can afford it, id recommend adding a couple 2xs and 3x-5x. ppl w the outlier sizes can become rather loyal customers if you carry their size/fit
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>>10177531
NTAYRT, but I've heard some stories about this. It's generally frowned upon, but if you're doing it through a friend or family that you can refund, Kickstarter really has no way of telling considering that most first campaigns have friends and family as backers.

If that's the case, it would explain a lot. They probably never bought that equipment.
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>>10177531
It's against Kickstarter's TOS but some people still do it
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>>10177552
XXL. Dont bother will smaller one.
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We're doing this now too... This is really starting to piss me off. So now I'm going to have to be competing with this for lottery and fcfs as well.
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>>10177712
it you see them at a con call staff on them for selling bootlegs lmao
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>>10177552
Depends on your design
If its feminine, lots of smalls and mostly mediums.
Neutral mostly medium and large.
I havent sold any masculine designs but I'd image you'd want to stock through XXL. I dont bother with XS.
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>>10177585
>3x-5x
It baffles me that there are many people who need this
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>>10177842
Hey man u gotta make a profit off those virgin neckbeards too
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>>10177842
>Not wearing an oversized shirt like a night gown

Get on my level
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At the risk of sounding like an idiot (english is not my first language), what exactly does it mean for art to be rendered? A lot of the time I've seen people talk about how some art is "well rendered" or maybe even something like "hyper rendered", but I've yet to figure out what it refers to and it's made me curious.
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How do you handle prints larger than 11x17? I'm assuming people roll it, but isn't the risk of damaging the print high? Also do you put it in a large bag as well?
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>>10177944
painted to give texture and dimension
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>>10177971
Rolling them shouldn't be a problem since it's a common way of transporting posters.
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>>10177944
It basically refers to how much painting is done to the work to bring out the forms. A lot of artists start with "flat" color and then render on top of it. Some artists choose not to do much rendering, and some artists will do too much, usually to hide the fact that their base art is actually not very good. If you learn techniques to render materials very well then you can take a mediocre drawing into a high quality painting. Alternatively, if you have very impressive base artwork, sometimes it's better to leave it flatly colored so you don't muddle the illustration and composition.
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>>10177974
>>10178116
I see, thank you for the explanation!
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>>10177712
hey, this is more legal than fanart lol
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How’s Fananime going for you folks?
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>>10178529
Terrible. Didn't even break profits.
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>>10178528
no it isn't lol
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>>10177585
>>10177706
>>10177737
thanks muchly anons
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>>10178529

Meeeeeh. Every booth has BNHA or Pokemon. And they all have charms and charms and charms and charms and charms. Some prints were neat, but as an adult in her 30s, I no longer decorate my walls with pretty boys or weeb stuff.

I saw two tables with non-fan art with whimsical anime girls and a few lewd ones. I just don't see why people throw 300-400$s for a table, when you still sell this stuff online and I'm going to guess you get better sales online because it's just so crowed. Your customers cant really see your swag.

I always make it a point to hunt for my favorite boy, who is rare because he's a side character, and when I find him, it's an insta-buy, but this year what I found was meh. Like the artist just drew him cause he's part of a bigger cast so...gotta have them all I guess. Out of the 5 tables I found him at, I bought from 2 cause the other's were not work the $15 splurge on a meh charm who didn't really care for him.
>>Oh, his 2 sentence bio in the manga said he likes ice cream. Quick! Cover him in an ice cream motif to show how much I know about the show and him!

Meh.
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>>10178762
I agree with you and have the same experience, but on the other hand, my wallet suffers a lot less, so at least that's a blessing.
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>>10178528
Fanart = your work, not your IP
This shit = not your work, not your ip
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I'm really tempted to just roll all my prints, except anything smaller than letter, cause I don't want to buy any cardboard backing to keep them safe.
Anyone find rolled prints annoying? Or know what the keyword for cut cardboard is on Alibaba?
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>>10178762
>>>Oh, his 2 sentence bio in the manga said he likes ice cream. Quick! Cover him in an ice cream motif to show how much I know about the show and him!

I don't want to be "that person", but I've been noticing that with my fav character too. So I did that snarky thing, where you ask the artist about the show they clearly aren't fans of just to see if they drew all this merch to make coin.

Yes, yes. I know the days of AA being just a simple little get together of artsty crafts are dead, and AAs are now people's lively hoods, so they need to draw ALL the BNHA boys, and ALL the Scouts and ALL the Zeldas and ALL the cutest Pokemon Evvees even though they hate the show and don't know their names.

So my character likes coffee (or more to the point, his favorite drinks are flavor based and coffee FLAVOR is his favorite/he really likes Amercian Stabucks cause they're like milkshakes) and it's never really brought up, it's also just in his bio in the manga and in a flashback for the summer he had a job in Texas in a Starbucks when it was young. ANYWAY. I asked the artist, "I love that part where X meet up with Y at that cafe and they had that naughty little date. It was so hot!"

She said, omg, I love that part too!

HA! Caught you bitch! That never happened. But I didn't say anything. I just KNEW. Oh well. Anyone else finding AA to be as stale as the dealers room? Merch is so bland. Or I'm just bitter and nothing is exciting anymore?
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>>10178867
You must be real fun at parties
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>>10178762
What character?
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>>10178867
>Merch is so bland. Or I'm just bitter and nothing is exciting anymore?
Both. There’s definitely an oversaturation of the same stuff, big popular series, samey styles, artists copying concepts and ideas from each other. There’s a lot more stuff in general, both good quality art but the sea of mediocrity gets larger too. Social media and easy storefronts makes it easier to promote and sell online, but these artists all take inspiration from each other and you’ll end up with a lot of the same.

But yes, you also seem bitter. Calm down.
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>>10178867
What would even be the “correct” answer to that? Like I’m not gonna go “um no, that didn’t happen” to a client- especially if I don’t have the chance to double-check the information beforehand.
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Why is AANI slowly becoming a diaper and daycare recommendation forum.
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>>10178867
>>10178762
>this level of gate-keeping
I take requests from my fans to keep them happy (it does) and did you ever maybe think these artists do too? As much as I want to draw nonstop from my favorite obscure series not many people care for it and I’ll respect them for it.
It’s a give and take being an artist but you guys sound so cringy with “only I’m a real fan of this series, reeee!”
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>>10178989
I’m the Meh poster and I ain’t gate keeping shit or quizzing anyone over anything like the other anon. I’m just bored with seeing the same thing over and over of my favorite character because there isn’t much to go off of him. It’s not the artist fault, I just feel like they’re making merch for him out of some odd quota. Great, I found my boy. Oh, it’s the same idea and design I saw last year and the year before that. I’m not throwing my money on everything that I see now just cause it’s a little too ‘meh’ for my tastes.

As an artist, don’t you feel that a little too? Aren’t you sitting between two people that have the same stuff in the same design as you?
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>>10178998
It's not the artists' fault, but I'd certainly say it's the con's fault for jurying for the same type of content from everyone. Lots of artists who I want to buy from get continually rejected from Fanime because their art isn't moe enough. I like uniquely styled original works and Fanime's jury definitely does not. On the flip side, if an artist has a style that guarantees them a table year after year, they're not going to be especially challenged to branch out and grow, so they'll just bring the same game year after year.

If only the general public complained about it more. They definitely notice it, because I see more complaints on social media every year about AA being boring, but they just don't care enough to make a big enough fuss for someone to do something about the jury. And they never listen when the complaints come from the artists' side.
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>>10179020
As someone who has never tabled, can't you guys submit your portfolio with the moe shit but then show up with something totally different?
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>>10178998
NYART but would you mind giving examples of what you mean? I've been seeing this complaint a lot and I'm not quite sure I see it myself as someone who's usually stuck behind the table all con.

Most recently, I saw a ton of complaints about variety in the AB forums but when I walked around, it seemed like everyone had a variety of styles and fandoms so I didn't understand where the attendees were coming from.

There's bound to be some overlap in design motifs for characters from the same series but I think execution/style can still set them apart. I haven't really seen two things from the same fandom by different artists and gone "Oh, they look exactly the same" - so I'd love to see some examples if you have any!
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>>10178977
this

whether or not she actually watched it, she probably just wanted you to stop clogging up her table
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>>10179026
From the buyers POV, this is what the AA looks to me. Walk three inches, see the same stuff, keep walking. Yes different styles and slight different exaction, but after hitting up all 50 tables (and I do that cause remember, I'm on the hunt for my boy!) my eyes start to glaze over. And yes, all these prints were made into single charms as well, so then I see 1000 eevee charms everywhere. People DO know that there are literally 800 different Pokemon right? For gosh sakes, someone draw a cute Beedrill.
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Is it acceptable to raise my 11x17 prints to $20? Or is the majority still $15?
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>>10178867
Holy shit you're just the weeb version of the 'ur not a -rreeeealll- fan' gatekeepy comic book guy
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>>10179096
All 11x17 prints in my area are $20, so you should be fine. You deserve that extra money, anon.
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>>10178710
>>10178849
Goddamnit you guys fall for bait like a goddamn fish
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Why does momo-con have more furry booths than a furry convention
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>>10179022
I've often wondered if people do this and if AA coordinators actually pay enough attention to notice.
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>>10178867
>friendly person who seems like they might buy something comes up to my table and makes an incorrect statement about a show
>politely agree because they're a customer and i don't want to embarass or well-akshually them
>they're probably just thinking of some other show or a fic or something lol
>mfw they smirk and walk away
>mfw they go home and post on a taiwanese papercraft forum about how they owned some artist
>mfw i have no face

They were likely just being polite to you, anon. A concept you can't relate to. You dingus.
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>>10179177
>>10179022
I do this. I was getting an extreme amount of rejections and wait listed if I'm lucky, so I started to fake my portfolio.
It's still all my own art, but it's my old art that doesn't represent at all what I actually do now. In my opinion, the art that gets me accepted looks so much worse too.

But I do extremely well at cons because of this
>>10179048
I get so many people really happy at my table, expressing joy that I have things that are different. I get people telling me that the commission I did is they're favorite they ever got, and they've commissioned a lot of artists. These people tend to be very loud too, since 90% of my customers tend to be black and Hispanic. I often get the stink eye from other artists, because they are technically better skilled than me and we both know it, yet they don't get nearly as much sales as me because they all have the same shit.
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>>10179048
I see what you mean. At this point, you might as well just see who has the cheapest print or best deal (2 for 1, buy two for 25, etc) cause it's all kinda the same.
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>>10179193
>These people tend to be very loud too, since 90% of my customers tend to be black and Hispanic.
Interesting. In my experience being obnoxious and loud at a con has no racial link.
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>>10179193
>>10179206
> when you try to brag about being the only one serving black/hispanic people and accidentally throw shade with a common stereotype
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do we only trust in vograce's keychains or are their pins cool too?
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>>10179193
And those customers? Albert Einstein.
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>>10179048
Oof, okay I will admit that you do have a point with Eeveelutions there. Have you noticed the same sort of phenomenon with humanoid characters too?

I wonder if it's just because the artists that I associate with don't have any Eeveelution merch at all but I guess I thought that trend had died down. I guess I might be making the assumption that my artist social groups represents AAs when in reality that's probably not true. That does explain why some artists might find it harder to understand complaints about variety of fandoms and design since everyone I'm friendly with have incredibly different art styles and fandoms.

This also seems a bit symptomatic of how so many newbies starting out ask "What's popular? What sells?" and they get told Pokemon, Ghibli, and Sailor Moon so we end up with a LOT of really bland similar looking prints for those fandoms specifically.
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>>10179349
What is this from? Everyone has to start somewhere.
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>>10179349
Instead of posting about it here why not critique the art in question? People are quick to shit talk artists but won't say anything to them in the comments.
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>>10179586
NAYRT but that's an issue that has been discussed here before, it's hard to give constructive criticism on places like AANI unprompted because the artists usually doesn't take it well.
Especially people who post that level of art >>10179349 and expect to be able to sell it lack self-awareness and won't ask for advice, so it's hard to tell them that their art is bad and give them pointers on how to improve without seeming like a dick.

I agree that there's no point in bringing those posts here though, at best it will only bring drama. Those artists will learn the hard way that their art isn't good when they try to sell it. You gain nothing by interfering.
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>>10179123
sorry I'm just so hungry
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>>10179586
At that level, there’s not much useful critique you can give. They need to improve practically everything.
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Apologies if this isn't the spot to ask this, but would it be worth doing AA with only expensive items? I'm a craft artist with very ornate and detailed items, my cheaper pieces are in the $50-100 range, others going up into the high hundreds. My style fits in AA, but I worry that cons aren't the best place due to the amount of younger guests
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Did anyone else see that pregnant lady kick out an artist at Fanime.???
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Did anyone else see that pregnant lady kick out an artist at Fanime.???
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>>10179837
There's a woman who does AA around where I live, and she only sells large handmade plushes, prices starting at like $100, and she sells out every single con I've seen her at. YMMV, of course.
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how do you go about telling a fellow artist who's about to start selling prints/merch but is emulating the style of a very popular illustrator not to do that? or should I even care? because at the moment it's painfully obvious they're straight up copying their coloring/style to the point that I will often think I'm seeing new art by said illustrator. The illustrator they're emulating does AA rarely but occasionally, they are popular enough they can easily sell out of prints everytime they do AX, they do comic covers for a popular game series and professional illustrations for Nike/Adidas and other big brands.
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>>10179937
Oust them out here
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>>10179952
Quiet dramalord
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>>10179976
Then op needs to shut the fuck up about it if they don’t do anything about it
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I know exactly who you're talking about and you're right it's bad and it's only going to get worse for this person. So many people make the comparison between both of their art and they are going ahead and making prints and keychains in this style they don't give a fuck just let life catch up to them. Some people really don't care and just want to make money but it won't end well profiting off another person's style just look at this gawki/feverworm fiasco, gawki can't even draw roadkill basic edgy goth tier concept without getting fingers pointed about who they're stealing from now.
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>>10179837
Sure. I mostly sell cheaper items, but have a few items worth $100 or more and i'll usually sell one or two.

>>10179937
ask the artist that is being copied what he/she thinks. A fan of mine once got mad at an artist for "copying" me, but I didn't think it looked that similar so I didn't care. Could be same situation here.
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>>10179937
its ok you can say fox_troupe we have eyes
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>>10180072
Who are they copying?
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>>10179837
I think you might be alright, perhaps have more $50-100 range, and a few of the $100+ range? And keep a portfolio handy if people want to see your other works? Finally, make sure your display is safe from rough handling/theft, and watch out for fraudulent cash (I know it's unlikely in AA but you never know).
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>>10180083
NAYRT but I just went and looked up the artist and they seem to have a very similar style to Sachin Teng
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>>10178989
^ this

I also make merch for friends but I have no problem admitting that to a customer either
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>>10180084
woof, I had no idea about their existence and I just saw a piece of theirs that I thought was sachin teng's this whole time
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>>10179866
No wtf? Someone dish
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>>10180147
Yikes imagine they're selling prints and merch and someone thinking they're sachin teng
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@rainbowemuweeps on twitter, 1/2
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>>10180072
>>10180100
I don't see this at all. FoxTroupe looks like they're mainly selling fanart, whereas Sachin Teng makes mostly original or hired illustrations. The only one I could even see a faint resemblance is their pinned tweet, and even that, I feel is an art style I see frequently in illustration. I literally didn't know either of these artists until ten minutes ago so I'm not going to bat for them, just saying I don't see the issue here.
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>>10180183
So this would be the artist that was behind them then https://twitter.com/LilLunarRabbit?s=09
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>>10180221
Thanks! I was about to ask who it was so I can make sure I stay the hell away from that dramatic bitch.
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NAYRT but from an outside perspective, I can see where you're coming from. I'm guessing you just went to their social medias and took a general glance of what their art is like right? While Sachin Teng is known for their originals, if you just go onto their twitter you can already see a ton of fan art - and they sell at conventions too.

I think the difference is knowing how established they are and how long they've been established for which makes it concerning to others that there's someone being mistaken as them? I could show an ST piece to any number of artists I know and they'd be able to recognize the style rather than the piece. I have seen plenty of artists try to emulate their style or study it, that's how influential they are - but this fox_troupe has taken it to a point where people are mistaking them AS ST? I think they're both very talented but I personally think ST has a stronger sense of composition but I can also see where people see the uncanny resemblance. It's one thing to study someone and them remix their style but it's another to emulate it to this degree.

Obviously the debate of the sanctity of style is different for everyone and each case but I can see why people care and/or could care less about it LOL

Attached image is a fun game of who do you think drew what. If you just gave me this art at a glance, I'd just assume it's the same artist and because I'm familiar with ST's work, I'd assume it's theirs. If I was looking closely enough, I can definitely still see differences but that's only if I knew to look.

That being said, since you said this is a common enough illustration style you see, I'd love to see other examples/artists using this style since it's one I enjoy greatly! Who knows, maybe I've just been stuck in an internet bubble, haha!
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Do you guys use a fanny pack or a cash box for cons?

I've been using a cash box since I first started, but I've only been to smallish conventions. I hear there's a lot of theft recently especially at large busy cons. I have my first big convention coming up and I'm paranoid..
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>>10180257
Get a fanny pack. I dont care if the big kids point and laugh at you for having one you get a gosh darn fanny pack. Apron works too.
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>>10180179
>>10180183
Every time I here about Fanime its never good things what the hell?
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>>10180257
I fucking love my fanny pack. It's convenient and leaves my hands free. It's one less thing to reach for when things get hectic and if you get one with enough pockets you can easily sort your bills and speed up your transactions even more.
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>>10180221
>tfw when you realize you got rejected for the first time in 5 years so they could let in dramafrog cricut craft mom (to be)
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>>10180179
>>10180183
Pregnant women can be fucking psychotic, man.
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>>10180235
This has happened to a lot of popular Tumblr and Twitter artists to some degree, but it never stops pissing me off. It's like, we all follow the same 20 influential artists with unique styles... everyone knows when you're copying choo or meyoco too. The other thing about Fox Troupe is that they're offering commissions in this style... by offering to be your poor man's Sachin Teng, they're devaluing the art and sensibilites ST put in years of time and practice to develop. The pro is being paid thousands to create unique pieces while Fox Troupe is stuck making personal commisions for a couple hundred... get some self-respect, man.
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>>10180263
It's run by shitty people who love to power Trip.

Heard a rumour this year that they changed who was in charge of "portfolio reviews" and he prioritized titty artists over others. Wouldn't be surprised.
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>>10180324
There were so many fucking titty artists so this would not surprise me either. Most of the so called r18 market at doubletree was not as lewd as some of the stuff in the main AA.
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>>10180333
Don't feel like there's anymore than previous years. I think every titty artist I saw was here last year too
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>>10180284
Also that Unicornlord guy was here again, he's gotten in every year consistently so far
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>>10180235
Oh man... I followed fox troupe because I saw them in my timeline and thought they were the ones who illustrated the covers for the dragon age comics!

I love the style and the fact that I get to see more art in it, but knowing that’s its not the same artist makes me feel complicated
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>>10176267
Promised Neverland is pretty trendy atm
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>>10180266
>>10180261
Adding on to this, don't forget to get a big/spacious fanny pack. I had a small-ish one that was prettier than it was useful and it was really difficult to look for bills in it. I ended up just keeping my $$ in a pouch...and accidentally leaving it everywhere in plain sight when I was busy. Thankfully nothing happened to it but just make sure your fanny pack is ACTUALLY functional.
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>>10180179
>>10180183
I've heard through the grapevine that there's more to this story than what OP said... if anyone has deets, I'd love to hear the other side.
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>>10180831
Even from the post itself, you can tell some things are worded in a way that makes the OP look better. Still, I don’t doubt that they’re telling the truth. I feel like the multiple violations were reason enough for them to be justifiably kicked out, but also that the pregnant artist didn’t properly communicate their discomfort with the artist that was kicked.
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>>10180831
not an artist but as an attendee the AA was crowded, hot, and a complete hazard. It was constantly packed and I felt like we were all hotdogs being squeezed
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>>10180261
>>10180266
>>10180778
Thank you guys! You've convinced me. I'll make sure to get one that's big enough.
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>>10176949
I’ve only tried their wooden ones once but they turned out beautifully—super vibrant, white layer was fine, cuts were good and all. Was also worried given the QC nightmares from them on acrylic charms, and I’m not sure if I just got lucky that even during sale time they all turned out well, but the baseline quality for their wooden charms seems pretty good!
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>>10180831
>>10180831
Yo I got deets from my friend who was at the scene throughout the con. For one, the helper is pregnant not the artist. There is a lot of photographic evidence from the staff, artist, and my friend that I have seen where their luggages were extending over a foot from the side of their table. The artist behind them that they were complaining about was well-within their space with their chairs and stand up against their own table as much as possible WITH all of her merchandise UNDER the table. If you had mirrored her setup to @rainboemuweeps (shortened to Emu for the rest of this for brevity), there should have been plenty of space in between her area and Emu's as a walkway for other artists to walk through and out of the aisle.

@rainboemuweeps (shortened to Emu for the rest of this for brevity) had 5 assistants and a large amount of suitcases. The artist behind them spoke to them multiple times throughout the con. Emu and their assistants reportedly kicked the artists' stand multiple times, NOT just once as claimed. There are pictures of Emu's bags and assistants being right up against the back of the artists' setup as well. (1/2)
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>>10181245
Fanime's staff has both the evidence from my friend, the artist, and their own staff recording things that went down which ULTIMATELY ended in Emu getting kicked out. It definitely was NOT the fault of the artist behind Emu or the Fanime staff as they seem to have been incredibly thorough. Had Emu's suitcases been a mere 2-3 inches on the side of their table ot probably would not have been noticed. I saw the picture myself and it was a suitcase with some kind of case for merch sitting on top of it OUTSIDE their tablespace in the aisle way and OUTSIDE the bounds of their table.

Emu themselves even states that their assistant was at the side wall with their suitcases showing just how little room they had bc of their 5 assistants and overflowing baggage. The multiple violations should show that they didn't listen to staff and they weren't following the rules and were creating a safety hazard. They were given warnings and they fixed them by breaking other rules and creating different hazards. Had there been an emergency or an artist that needed to get through that side of the aisle, I'm sure that it would have been bad. The fact that they're whining like this just makes me think they're salty and low-key want to bash the artist behind them, but know if they did directly Emu would get caught in their lie. Or they're delusional. Sorry, I'm usually nice but I'm just really annoyed by all the lies and their shitty attitude. (2/2)
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>>10181255
>5 assistants
There's no way that many people can actually be useful for a single table, what the hell would all of them even be able to do without tripping over one another let alone bothering other artists in their aisle lol
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>>10181278
Exactly?!?! That's part of why the artist complained bc Emu and their assistants were constantly bothering them.
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>>10181278
people in AA seem to think they can use their table space as a hub for their con-going friends to just sit and goof around in.
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>>10181278
I'm having a hard time imagining 6 people behind a single 6' table. Like I already feel cramped when there's just 3.
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>>10181284
Oh yea, trust me, I know. This year at AB I had three non-artists just chilling at the table next to me, some were just playing video games, clearly not actual helpers. One of them had the nerve to bitch when a staffer asked them to leave because they didn't even have helper badges. People in AA can be so inconsiderate/entitled, it sucks.
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Is it looked down upon to sell old anime merch at my Artist Alley table? I have a few anime figurines & toys I want to get rid off that would be too expensive to ship online, but I don't know if selling or giving away old merch on my artist table is allowed.

Otherwise, I might just chuck it all in the bin, but I'd rather they go to a good home, haha.
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>>10181502
Eh, without actually having checked the rules I doubt selling second-hand items at AA is allowed. To be on the safe side, put them up for sale/giveaways on social media while saying the buyers need to retrieve the items at your AA booth. Technically it's just a meetup for items that were already claimed or sold then.
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>>10181502
Typically it's against the rules of Artist Alley's bc it competes with the Dealer's Hall and therefore isn't allowed. You can have a box of freebies I think, but that typically isn't seen in AA.
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>>10181502
Looked down upon isn't your problem. It's probably straight up not even allowed by the convention and would likely get you kicked out, potentially without a warning if it's one of those cons that treats their dealers room vendors like gods.
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>>10181502
At a local AA, I've caught artists selling second-hand/new anime merch that obviously isn't made by them (ie. Nendoroids, Funko), merch that were displayed and priced on their table, so I tell the staff to address it. At each different times, it turned out that the artists:
- were trying to sell stuff like DH
- were clearing out their rooms
- had made arrangement for sales and AA was the place to meet up to exchange

The staff tells them they can't do that as it didn't abide to their AA rules and what AA stands for, and to put those items away. For the craigslist-like sales, they had to put those items away till their buyer comes to pick them up.

For your case, I would suggest keeping them in some freebie bin, or any-freebie-with-purchase, under the table. And check with your AA first before doing any of that if it is okay to do or not.
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>>10181502
Find a swap meet, many cons hold those!
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>>10181502
get a cheap dealers table at a small local con to sell those. its what I do. Or even go to a local flea market for a weekend.
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>>10181502
Some cons have flea markets, and that's your best bet. If someone wants the items they are going to pay the shipping.
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Sooooo what does everyone think about this? I'm curious for an honest opinion as people of AA on FB seem like kinda like it? But kinda not really? At least that's the vibe I'm getting.
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>>10181825
its 2019. why tf would you get soft enamel
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>>10181825
Honestly I think it's super ugly. I love SS but I'm not getting it. It's just so unappealing, from the art itself to the color choice to the weird tits.
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>>10181825
Sorry but it looks ugly.
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>>10174846
35 here. I'm just getting back to doing Artist Alleys again since my early 20s. A decade of being a full-time teacher and I finally have some spare time to dedicate to this and etsy as my side hustles.

Who knows if this old codger can tolerate the younger demographic at cons anymore.
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>>10176270
When all I want to make art of is the retro shit I personally enjoy, it's good to hear that 80s/90s series are selling.
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>>10181825

I hate that it's soft enamel. I hate that the Mother Halo is not filled in???? Like wtf? I hate the shape of it, like it's really long and it stops at her tiny tits and it's asymmetrical with her hair. I hate the cheap and random plastic star too. I just...hate it all. I ALSO hate that Puvithel did THIS pin <-- too but shitted on this SS design. They have the power to make a good one...what the fuck made them go with this?
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>>10181934
Also, SS isn't the mother of salt...she's more like...the queen of shade? Or the mistress of frilly logic? Or the empress of scandal? Or the bitch of research? Or the news anchor of nonsense?
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>>10176534
They let it slip once to me that they plan to undercut the charm market, too. It was the primary reason they wanted to own their own machines so they could control the production costs.
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>>10181825
I won't lie, I thought it was a beer bottle opener at first.
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Quick question.

I know Funimation makes it a habit to tour artist alleys and get fanart from their IPs removed, but how far does that reach go? Like, they only have rights to Lupin the 3rd series 4, so if you make Lupin art where he's not the blue jacket version, will they make you pull it? Or if you make Arslan fanart that more closely resembles the 90s OVA designs and not the new tv series they own.

Also, do any of the other anime companies pull art/products for more than using the series' emblems in the art?

I've been out of the con game for a while and my only Etsy C&Ds have been from western franchises, so I really have no idea.
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I got some nice vinyl sticker sheets from stickermule, how much should I price em at? There's 6 chibi heads per sheet.
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>>10181979
How big are they? Post pics.
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>>10181825
It's ugly. The most unforgivable aspect is probably the uncanny valley face, for me. Also the halo(?) doesn't read well as a halo.
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>>10180235
I'm guessing the ones where the artist knows how to draw hands are the originals.
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>>10181944
Someone asked for the prices and this is how they responded.
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>>10181982
the sheets are 4x6 inches
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>>10182017
Seems reasonable if it's smaller than 2".
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>>10181994
Yeah, stylistically they look similar, but the difference in skill is pretty blatant. You can tell by looking at the shading and highlighting details. Or compare the ravens.

Being a worse artist than Sachin Teng doesn’t say much because that’s honestly a high bar, but why would you go for just being a worse copy than them?
This just reminds me of that saying which goes something like “Good artists copy, great artists steal”. You should emulate better artists by studying what makes their work good, not just rip off styles as a shortcut so you can hide your flaws and what you lack on the fundamentals.
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>>10182026
Do people actually buy these?
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>>10182026
Uh, maybe $3 or like a freebie? The art is just so low effort I personally would never buy it.
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>>10176796
I sell TAZ charms and just don't adevrtise it very much online to avoid ppl messaging me about it. At conventions they don't sell amazingly, but the few people who do know what it is get very excited about it and I love those interactions. Never had anyone irl say something about the fan merch sale ban.
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>>10180235
So, can I get the answer sheet to this
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>>10182026
I would typically suggest $6 for this type of thing, but I don't think this would sell for that price due to how unpolished it is. A patterned background and some shading on the chibis would probably make this more sellable. Also bottom right's teary eyes look more like they were gouged out, but I don't think that's what you were going for?
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>>10182048
>>10182037
thanks for the feedback!

what would a 'polished' chibi look like in your opinion?

>>10182036
ive bought a lot of garbage personally so theres a buyer for anything
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>>10182017
I’m glad they’re not undercutting the market. But something tells me they might end up lowering the bundle price after a few cons.

For years they had customers buy in bundles of 5 (laminated badges). So they might see it as a bad thing or lost in potential sales when their items aren’t moving in large volumes anymore. It helps that they have such a HUGE selection of charms but the art is boring. I doubt many people will want to buy 5 charms of characters doing the same N-pose.
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>>10182042
Top row, the two in the middle are fake, plus the first and third in the second row.

Other anon is absolutely right by the way... the way to kick up any art piece a notch is by including expressive and hard to draw elements like hands. Consistently and awkwardly cropping them out of pieces tips your hand that you're not that good.
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>>10182026
I’ll say $5.

or $6, 2 for $10 if you have a variety of sticker sheets.
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>>10181825
It's honestly pretty hideous. I think that Puvithel drew it herself or something hence the terrible art?
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>>10182026
>>10182036

If the whole sticker sheet doesn’t sell, try cutting up a few sheets into individual stickers. Price them at $2-3 per sticker, $5 per sheet. Customers will see the $5 sticker sheet as an amazingly good deal.

As >>10182065 pointed out
>>theres a buyer for anything
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>>10182091
oh thats a good idea, I am planning on making more sheets for other series i like

>>10182105
thats brilliant, ill bring a pair of scissors just in case
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Do you think there’s a market for headbows and other lolita accessories?
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>>10182026
I dont know why everyones being so harsh lmao. I thought the unpolished shitty-kei look was hot right now?
Think of those popular weebs like omocat, chunaps, etc. Very "in" right now

I think people would definitely buy these for humour/for fun. Narancia and Gio are my favorite ones here. Im not sure what the cost was to have them produced. But I think $5-$6 is reasonable.

Also I checked out your handle and clearly you know how to draw. So I assumed and now am assured you made these look this way intentionally
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>>10182166
Yeah, but they better be good otherwise you're only going to attract cheap itas
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>>10182087
Ah cool I got it right. I was gonna post this when the anon first issued the challenge but I figured I'd be accused of just checking their twitter.
My main clues were the rendering of fabrics, the knockoff ones spend a lot of time on the metals but go super lazy on the rendering of some of the fabrics/feathers and background details. Plus those rely more heavily on the character expressions to engage the viewer. The other pieces are all around more competent and consistent, detail oriented, and notable don't rely on expression; the art is engaging as a whole piece and not just because you can tell how the character feels.
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>>10182174
I'm into that look personally, i think its cute but i can accept that the aesthetic im into isnt necessarily what sells at cons or is popular in the mainstream

thanks!
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>>10179546
If it’s being posted here, it’s got to be from AANI or another AA group and someone intends to sell it.

I fully agree everyone needs to start somewhere. But that ‘somewhere’ doesn’t need to be sold to people; let’s not pretend it’s a good thing people so firmly in beginner territory decide to sell (it’s not even fair them to encourage it, they’ll have a much ruder awakening setting up at a con and selling nothing than if they were met with some concrit and gentle but serious advice to wait.)
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>>10181825
I hate it. I dont like puvithels aesthetic or drawing skills at all though. Shes made some acceptable designs but they really arent for me

I hate that tylers hair looks like dreads, the halo is ugly, its just... its just ugly.
Love tyler though, probably one of my favorite lolita youtubers
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>>10181974
Someone else here can probably answer this but wasn’t there really like only one con at which in-person Funi takedowns happened and afterward it turned out the person describing it hadn’t exactly been right? Before that incident Funi was actually alright with AA merch and after i never heard of any more incidents.
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>>10182227
Yeah the only instance I can remember is a booth that was very close, if not next door to a funi booth.
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>>10181825

Why is Puvi so big? She sells basically menhera and those shitty bollywood necklaces, and can't even dress herself. And now this.
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>>10181974 #
>>10182227 #

Anime Expo 2018 exhibit hall. Funi went around with Cease & Desist. I recall 2 artists making a publicly post about it and one of them even photographed and post the C&D. It listed the anime series that the artist infringed upon. Again this was in the exhibit hall. Funi didn’t crackdown on AX Artist Alley. I tabled at AX AA last year and a Funi employee actually bought merch from me. She spent $100 on gaming art. I clearly had a lot of Funi art labeled with anime names and she didn’t say anything about it.

If you’re worried about Funi, just stay in AA and don’t use logos, insignias, anime titles, character names.
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>>10181825
I couldn't even tell it was tyler until someone said something about it. The character doesn't look like her at all, other than having long hair. The drawing makes her look... ethnic? I don't know how to describe it. The colors are kinda bleh, tyler's bangs are way different. Looks pretty cheaply made and quickly designed and doesn't really look all that good desu. I'd never buy it, and if someone gave it to me I'd politely decline.
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>>10182185
ah i guessed it right! what stands out most to me is actually the thick linework and the sloppy shading. also the wack proportions. i cant stop staring at the r2c1 girls small ass hand and miles long forearms lol. and all the faces are too small
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>>10182166
>>10182175
i have a second job at a middle school and it hurts my heart to see how mainstream cat ears and sweet deco bullshit is nowadays. i also have a coworker who buys shitty ita bows and ears and flower crowns w her friends so you dont even gotta worry about quality for them to sell

and to clarify, im jealous ita weebs are so popular now when my shit group of weebs were harassed. what a world we live in.
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Hey so AX is obviously a big money maker if your art is good. But how about for those with mediocre art?

For any low-tier artist who makes common merch (prints, pins, charms, stickers), have you made significantly more sales at AX compare to other cons? Or do you find AX AA to be over hyped?

I have this friend who’s never done AX but really wants to and often whines about not having a table (it’s really annoying). They’ve even looked into getting an exhibitor booth. They have this impression that everyone banks at AX due to the sheer size. Is AX really that big of a deal to low-tier artists?
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>>10182350
I thought low tier artists tend to drown at AX.
My first year at AX I barely made costs. My art was okay-amateurish and my table partner was a little lower skill leveled than me so combined we looked incredibly unimpressive.

The next year I had my own table, more variety of stuff, and overall better art and did a lot better. Been a few years since then, definitely doing better but won't lie, my art is stagnating, so last year I noticed a drop in sales cuz it's difficult to compete with so many artists with trendy merch and high skill levels.

I feel like I'm struggling at AX compared to a lot of artists I know, even though I'm still in the positives, so I can't imagine how low tier artists are doing.
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>>10182227
>>10182253
Thank you both. Glad it was a one-time thing. Hadn't been in these threads for a while but I'm tabling for the first time in a long time this summer and being sure I don't waste my time before making art/products.
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>>10181974
Funimation made a statement about it like 4 years ago. Basically fanart in AA is ok, but no logos or trademarked names. Fanart in the dealers hall or online they will C&D. I've never heard of them having people take down stuff in AA unless it had logos or names in the art.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-07-01/funimation-issues-statement-on-fan-art-and-trademark-rights/.89972
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>>10182350
People act like doing well at AX is a given and if you have good art you're "doing it wrong" but the fact is there's so many artists packed in like sardines that if people don't make a beeline for your table on the first day, you're likely to be competing with a ton of merch for the same series. Everyone's sales cut into each other - more customers will have spent all their money or even overspent before finding you. The bigger the AA, the more this happens regardless of skill level.
The other thing I noticed is that CA cons tend to be more current compared to cons in other areas of the US. If your friend goes, make sure she's got good merch for least one of the big trending series of the year/season.
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>>10182539
*have good art and don't make insane profits LOL first line too, sorry
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>>10174846
The artists with the best shit tend to be mid 20s-mid 30s imho. Still in touch with trends but old enough to have a solid aesthetic and research/drop dollar on good suppliers.
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>>10174846
I'll never understand this way of thinking. It takes time to build skills to produce high quality work and a good inventory. Plus, how do you even know the age of any artists in the alley that you're not immediate friends with? I just turned 30 and I still get asked if I've graduated high school yet.
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>>10182615
You really felt the need to respond to this twice huh
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>>10182350
I think the key here is "common merch." I actually think you can be Shit artist and do ok at ax but if you're offering the same shit as everyone else, you're going to be drowned out.

Also dealers hall is completely different from aa. People come to aa for specific fandom and with the intention to buy but most people wander dealers hall for novelty stuff or just for browsing. They're more reluctant to buy from artists bc they have mad produced official shit for a fraction of the cost.

So idk your friend sounds like they're setting up to fail
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>>10182238
So much this, her designs are terrible, her art is terrible, and in person I think she's actually quite arrogant?? Not a single humble molecule on that one. The SS pin is almost a shame, I'd love to support SS but I would never buy something that ugly.
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>>10182350
The thing about AX is that you need either a very distinct/appealing style, really top tier art, have an established fan base, or be great at customer interaction. Ideally all of the above.
If you cant stand out or dont have a following ready to come support you, you'll drown. Theres just literally hundreds of great artists with tons of great stuff to sell. People arent going to drop their money on mediocre art when they're surrounded with better stuff.
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>>10182350
How about someone with pretty decent art, but a very small online following?

I think I do pretty well in AA all things considered, but I don't have a very large booth and this is my first year at AX and I got saddled in the back.

I don't expect to do super well, but I also want to know if I'm also going to drown with all the low tier artists as well because there are so many other artists so I have some realistic expectations.
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>>10182794
inb4 I primarily focus on charms and enamel pins, and that's where I get most of my sales. I hate doing prints because I don't like drawing big but my prints sell alright too for the few that I have, but I would like to know if Small Booth + Small Online following = Death sentence at AX
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kinda dumb question but when is the best time to use cowcow for apparel sales? looking at the allover print shirts. i subscribe to their emails recently but they do them so often i never know when is a good time to do it. so far the best ive seen is 2 for 30 or 13.99 ea.
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Photo stand vs PVC pipe display?

I still don’t get why everyone is converting to photo stands when they take up just as much space as PVC pipes with an added tripping hazard.
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>>10182938
I think it's just because it looks more professional? Personally will always prefer my pvc stand with table clamps but I can see why others are attracted to the big professionally printed stands.
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>>10182938
It’s easier to set up and more stable. I’ve had PVC pipes start to bend/droop or lean too much to one side. Never had this problem with photo stands - especially since I use the flat footed ones that aren’t a tripping hazard.
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>>10182938
Photography stands are compact, less pieces, lighter.
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>>10182938
I'm going to convert because I'm tried of playing with tinker toys every time I have to set up. But at the same time, I need side panels and I have no idea how to do stable side panels on one of those photo stands.
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>>10182938
I seem to have the worst luck. I'm often trapped in by neighboring photostands. And it's annoying when photostands invade my space especially when the artist didn't ask.

At AX, my neighbor's table display (cube organizers) was 4 inches onto my table. It was in the way that I couldn't stand up my PVC pipes. I tried moving the cubes back onto her table but they were zip tied to her tripod photostand. So I tried shifting her photostand but other people's photo stands were in the way. The whole row was photostands. So I ended up shortening the length of my pvc pipes by 4 inches.

My other neighbor was also using a tripod photostand and when he asked for permission, i said NO. But as the day went on, he slowly shifted his stand into my space. At that point I just didn't care anymore.

Anyways I recent switched over to a flat foot, telescope cross bar photostand and it's nice.
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>>10182253
Do you remember who posted it? I have a few friends vending in exhibitors this year and i don't think they are aware of this
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>>10183073
it was over on facebook.
either AANI or AX artist group.
I'll try to find it.
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>>10182938
Setting up pvc is a pain, they look tacky, and I couldn't figure out a compact way of storing them. My photostand is much easier for me to handle, and if I really want it off the floor and out of the way, I'll just set it on the table and clamp it down. Side wings are a work in progress at the moment though. Funny enough I have the grip clamps with a telescopic pole as wings at the moment and it reminds me of just pvc pipes. Just a little more streamlined
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>>10183073
Unfortunately i couldn't find the original post. I think it's been deleted.

I did find this fb post/discussion (fb dot com slash 971443076361016) that links to an article that links to the (deleted) original post.

Read the fb comments instead of the article.
The comments are more informative.
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>>10182452
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>>10182794
Thank you all for answering. I was looking for confirmation that even with decent art, you can't expect to do significantly better at AX. I've actually done AX a few times and found it to be over hyped (for a low-mid tier artist like myself). Each time I've made the same 2.5K (gross revenue). That's ~600 per day, which is my normal amount at any other con. I don't have many art friends to discuss AX with so I wasn't sure if AX sales being underwhelming was common or not.


>>10182794
I heard that any table spot at AX, including the back, is still good. There's no dead zones-- everyone gets foot traffic. I have no online presence and my art is meh. Yet my sales at AX haven't suffered. Again, I've pretty much made the same amount (gross per day) as any other con. With decent art I think you can expect to make your normal amount or better. Of course when you factor in all the expense... oh boy LA is expensive.
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>>10183104
>$2.5k /total/ at AX
Oof, that's REALLY underwhelming for AX desu. I make more than that per day on average. AX is so good for me and other artists around my tier. I get so surprised to hear people call it a meh con or even disappointing. But keep going at it, your profits should increase as long as you're improving and innovating.
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>>10183126
no need to flex anon, not everyone is in the same boat, that's why we're talking about it
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>>10183104
From what I've heard, you have to be really popular and well known in order to do well at AX so that people will seek you out specifically, and if you're not that well known and you don't have any other appeal factor you'll just end up falling through the cracks, so it's not totally implausible that you end up with the short end of the stick due to your circumstances or skill level.
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I know it'll never happen but I'd love to see what the real averages are for -everyone- in AX's AA. I would bet money that for at least everyone making 5 figs, there's someone not even making 4.

Like, Sakuracons generally a good con and its like, 270 attendees per AA table. AX, even with its massive number of attendees splits with like 150 attendees per table. That's just a pure split, #of attendees / #of tables , not everyone's even going to step foot in AA (and AX still lets you buy 2 booths I believe). But everyone's got a budget and I feel at this point, there's just so many booths for relatively few fans that you're fighting that much harder for every dollar. Unless you're decently established before you go, you're just going to get drown out by the other 700 some odd booths.
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>>10183156
I agree, at the moment I'm going in with networking in mind rather than profit, because I'd like to talk to people who work in the industry in the LA area to sort of get my foot in the door.
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>>10183156
I know someone who made under 4 figures last year after costs were taken out. It mostly came down to not being prepared enough and not realizing how big a 600 artist alley really would be. So you're probably not wrong.
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>>10183156
>I know it'll never happen but I'd love to see what the real averages are for -everyone- in AX's AA

I wish there was a place that people would just anonymously publish their AA profits for every con on an honor system so everyone could compare where they are and what looks "normal" for any particular con. I know we sort of do that here but not in any organized fashion.

Would also be a good look at how the AA business is doing in general.
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>>10183206
There's always Kiriska's AA Surveys. They publish the report yearly, and if you don't want to pay the $5 for it, you can always check out the raw/adjusted data.
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>>10183156
>>10183206
boy are you going to be happy
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WDtPkMhZ3ZKNinGzMoRvuZW6TWbfmWm-4x4YH7u6azk/edit#gid=346288018
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>>10183234
Ouch, I feel kind of bad for the person who only made $46 at Anime Expo.
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>>10183280
>about the same as last year
Holy shit, oof
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>>10183280
>>10183295
I really hope they misread gross revenue as profit because my god, also

>10+ years doing conventions
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>>10183280
I feel like they meant to write $460 or something but that’s still ouch.
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>>10183156
>>10183104
I dont mind sharing my experience.
First two years I did 2-2.5k and last year it jumped to 5k. I had a new less crowded display with a couple charms which I hadnt been carrying before, 4 enamel pins, a new shirt and stopped worrying much about pinback buttons. I only brought 1 new print but ended up selling 55 copies of it on a fluke so I'm thinking I'll need to figure out something new for this year lol.
I'd love to be one of those artists that bring in 20k but I know that I'm not nearly productive/focused enough
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>>10183234
I love that survey, I use it to try and get a feel for what I can expect for cons I've never been too but I emphasized 'everyone' because ultimately what less than 30 people filled out when the AA was 600 booths.

also rip the $46 guy, that's rough buddy.
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>>10182253
there was also that one dumbfuck that sold memeshirts of literally funimations name on it and were shocked and made fun of funimation for giving them a cease/desist
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>>10183234
I wish there were more people that filled out for Anime Boston. I was feeling good about myself for making around $950... But it was only my 3rd con, so I don't know.
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>>10183639
I did $13k at AB this year - but you SHOULD be feeling good about it if it’s just your third con ever! Remember anon, success is relative. For reference, I made like $20 profit after costs at my first con ever and about $400 profit at my second. You’re just starting out and you should be proud of yourself for getting this far.
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>>10183646
Humble bragging is fucking obnoxious
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>>10183774
No one asked me and its not really relevant to any convo going on right now but I made 35k at AB oho ho hoho /s
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>>10183775
Humble bragging is annoying but anon did state wanting more people to fill out info for Anime Boston so anon's numbers are actually relevant here.
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>>10183064
oh fuck no. if im paying hundreds of dollars for a table i dont even get to keep its time to bitch up and tell them to move their shit or contact staff. ur not paying 200-500 to display someone elses shit.
honestly do the courtesy for all of us tablers and make sure everyone keeps their shit tight
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>>10183639
I did about 3k profit at ab this year
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>>10183782
This definitely applies to AX. AX is strict about keeping the aisles clear. Last year their rules stated that photo stands had to be right up against the table. You can't have photo stands behind you.

I posted >>10183064 and to add to that...
AX staff stopped by a few times telling my neighbor that his photo stand needed to be closer to the table. But he couldn't really do that cause his space was obstructed by his neighbor's photo stand. Thus he had to shift his stand into my space. And I'm not just talking about the legs/tripod being in my space but also the pole as well. So my wall of prints was covering up some of his prints.
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>>10183820
ugh god thats annoying. at least none of your items were obscured, but that gets me all hot and bothered when someone else's fault of preparation messes up my own organization
maybe start charging ppl 50bucks for using your space kek
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If you're "boned" when it comes to jurying maybe it's a hint you're not good enough?
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New thread! 10183877
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>>10183878
Where's Corky (;﹏;)
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Do you all have any tips on reporting artists or vendors to cons? There’s this one vendor I see at smaller cons that sells stolen and traced artwork, and a guy who used to vend with her says her grab bags are junk she clears from her room and upsells for $10-$25, and that they almost got kicked from Momocon because a director saw she was selling stolen art, those miniature wall scrolls from eBay
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>>10184429
just talk to the artist alley director.
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>>10174518
>>>5000000
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>>10181825
Hah



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