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>>10166496That's just what they call every new collection/release on Kera online.
>>10166461I love those sleeves
>>10166557Thanks anon.>>10166559Chill anon. I'm a seagull.
>>10166580w2c is not an exclusively /fa/ thing i've seen it thrown around in normie circles on insta and twitter
>>10166621Great you're a normiePlease go back to your social media
>>10166653>imagine being this proud that you're exclusively on /cgl/ 24/7
>>10166678Better a real denizen than some braindead tourist who unashamedly proclaims how little they belong.
>>10166682>>10166653nice projection you've got going on there, i have never seen a normie say that shit
>>10166656So you're a roleplayer? you'd rather have non-lolitas than cosplayers and lolitas. makes perfect sense
>>10166682sorry about your lack of life and awareness, bb.
>>10166682>that word salad Did you have a stroke?
Did anyone see that Akira got married? So happy for her!---------------------------------------------------------------------------------AnnouncementTo everyone who has been supporting me.And to everyone who helps me out on a daily basis.This announcement is after the fact, but on March 21st, 2019, I got legally married to a man outside of the entertainment industry!! The date is 3-2-1!I’ve always gone on and on about wanting to get married, but I never thought the day would come when it would actually happen…I still don’t believe it lol.I like to do things my own way, and I’m bad at making concessions for others, so…But I’d even wear a skirt if he wanted me to!When I had that thought, I knew he was the one for me.He’s a very hard worker, he loves music, and he’s the type of normal guy who can say thank for even the smallest things. The president of my agency even said, “He’s a good guy!” and gave him the stamp of approval, so rest assured! lolI still don’t quite understand what it means to be married…or to be someone’s wife…but for now, I’ll just keep moving forward and figure it out for myself.I may be a newlywed now, but I hope you will keep supporting me just like you did before!AKIRA---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>10166697are you telling me all the boomer cosplayers and lolitas on facebook aren't normies?
>>10166720This made me oddly teary eyed.How sweet!
>>10166720This was such a comfy post, you can feel how happy she is. Very sweet.
>>10166678I love how you're saying this while simultaneously using that played out meme reaction image. You're here just as much. Quit pretending to be all high and mighty. >>10166682ThisI don't even agree with all board culture but I still know what not to say. >>10166724Exactly. Original anon who used the normie expression is probably some washed up bored housewife.
>>10166461I had this dream I got my dream dress but I couldn't bring myself to actually wear it
missed out on two wish list items by a couple hours each in the last two days. something good better happen to outweigh this. like finding my dd
i just got a new job, and i can finally start building my wardrobe this summer! it's within walking distance of my house, too! i'm so excited, i can finally start to live out my lolita dreams
amazing thread once again gulls
>>10166827cgl passed away in 2016
>>10166861More like 2014
Thread needs more Lolita pics.
>>10166821Can't talk about Lolita on the Lolita thread. What is this, rufflechat?
>>10166900The lolita general is more for discussion about new releases or trending topics, not people posting feels. There’s a whole other thread for that. Lurk more.
>>10166861Cgl is kill
>>10166720I'm really happy for her. This post is cute and I wish other Japanese j-fash figures would keep us updated like this. I've always wondered about Misako and I'm willing to bet she probably has someone she hides.
>>10166962Misako literally wrote a multi-page blog post about the difficulties she has experienced trying to date as a Lolita. It was a few months ago.
I had a dream last night that every single lolita item (headbows, dresses, all of it) was destroyed because Misako ordered it to happen. Her reason was that "We did not deserve lolita". We had to resew everything.
>>10166796Are you me, anon? I'm in the same situation lol
>>10166970Could you link it anon? Also, has anyone properly translated it? I bet it's a helpful read.
>>10166691People aren't limited to one board, retard. Some people have more than one interest.
Slim, pricey picking on japanese auctions lately...whats going on gulls?
>>10167005Scalpers have NOT been playing. At least with the gothic stuff.
>>10166962Misako replied to that post saying that she wants to get married too
>>10166982awesome! good luck to you, girl! <3
>>10167026I want to marry her
>>10167021I like sweet and even then its pretty ridiculous. Shitty plain 13 year old dresses do not command 32,000 yen...5,000 maybe.
>>10166720I'm happy for her but I always thought her and Midori would make a cute couple.
Can anyone tell me if i'm pricing this JSK correctly? I don't want to be asking too much/too little. I've been out of lolita for well over a year at this point so I'm not clued in on pricing.I based my initial price on past sales on Lace Market.
>>10167140It’s far too expensive, I see it sell for 100 less easily
>>10167146Anon is using AUD, not USD.Remember guys, don’t reply to trolls like those above. If they’re using buzzwords then it’s clearly just a troll.
>>10167220Buzzword is a buzzword and so is troll, so we should ignore you?
>>10167021I feel like every substyle has been affected.
>>10167228Is that how its going to be from now on, I feel like from 2014-2017 I found many older cute prints easily. Nothing lately. It sucks
>>10167005From 2013-2017 I found a ton of great prints/deals, talking a lot of under 5000 yen bargains. But it feels like japanese secondhand is A. smart on overseas buyers who are plentiful + will pay more B. has more scalpersIt sucks, I haven't found a true "deal" in awhile. Now it's just about finding stuff at or under retail. It's not like how it used to be.>all you fuckers just had to tell every lolita and their mother about japanese secondhand didn't you baka
>>10167140I think that is an ok price if it is new without tags and includes the choker.I've been eyeing that listing for awhile but it's also like second tier for me because I'd rather have the cutsew and I keep not buying because I feel like I'd be settling on the cut.
>>10167272>all you fuckers just had to tell every lolita and their mother about japanese secondhand didn't you bakaI'm still so very, very salty about anons spreading knowledge about how to order from fril and mercari and discussing if ww was legit when they were still dirtcheap. Y'all screamed muh sekrit club when I told you back then and see how it is now, things that sat for months now get bought within minutes.
>>10167283You sound so fucking entitled. I don't want to just say poorfag but you sure do sound like one.
>>10167283>when I told you back thenlmao
>>10167283You see the same thing happen in AA threads too. Wow, you posted names of manufacturers and surprise! Now they're overworked and overbooked and not only raised their prices, but the quality of the items has lowered. You;re only shooting yourself in the foot when you post sources, wish people would realize that.
>>10167284Is "entitled" the new upcoming overused buzzword?
Can I still order the things for reservation on Baby's USA store? I'm so confused and after reading the reservation page, I still don't really get it. I went to the Japanese store to see if it was in stock, like the USA store reservation and product page said, but the link leads to a page with nothing listed on it (on the JP website), so I have no idea if it can still be purchased or not... Please help a noob. I just want a pink heart apron, damnit. It's one of my dreams.
>>10167272>>10167283>as if it's not the Chinese
>>10167291okay, thanks for the reply.Why is it still for purchase on their dumb website? Sad. xP
>>10167298>xPreeee lurk more newfag
>>10167298Please ask the stupid questions thread, the general is not the appropriate place for this. Also as >>10167303 said, lurk more.
>>10167295did you miss the part where I said>B. has more scalpersIt's a combination of people getting smart about the people buying overseas + scalpers that see that need, and buy stuff to resell to us for a large profit.
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/bodyline-magical-cosmetics-2011-skirt-blackisn't this a replica?
>>10167330Ask the stupid questions thread.
>>10167330No it’s not you retard
>>10167330it's kind of copied from rose toilette desu
>>10167318I don't see how that's relevant to the overseas buyers creating the demand.
>>10167365more buyers > more demand > more of a reason/incentive for someone to buy something to scalp it
Can you guys help me find this photo, it was a really old pic that used to get posted all the time. Two lolitas wearing Carnival one in pin white one and the other one in black white version. Their coords were completly matching in opposite colors. I hope someone knows what im talking about.
>>10167421Going to post a few photos that might match. One of these is going to be Puppet Circus and I need you to confirm that that is not the photo you're thinking of before I really start digging.
>>10167431Here's that Puppet Circus photo.
>>10167432I'm going through my whole lolita folder here which is like 15+ years of photos and some of these trends should never have existed. Currently hitting the shirokuma stage ha.
>>10167421Maybe this one?
>>10167434Another Puppet Circus black and white duo.
>>10167436Holy shit anon. I just posted >>10167437 at basically the same moment.
>>10167442That's all of the black Carnival I have. Sorry anon. Let me know if any of these photos seem familiar and I can try going from there.
>>10167431Different anon, but I know what photo they are talking about, and I have also been trying to find it since my last laptop crashed. It’s definitely NOT puppet circus. It’s carnival.There was also another photo I was looking for. It had 2 girls, both in the pink x black Nagoya special color. But I think one was the OP and the other wore the jsk. If anyone has it I’d appreciate if someone could drop that one too!
Does anyone get the soles of their shoes replaced/repaired? I walk a lot and am quite rough on shoes so I wear through them quickly. Cobblers I have been to make comments about whether the shoes are even worth repairing because most (sweet esp) lolita shoes are cheaply made
>>10167450Tell them that they are important to you and that you dont care that they are cheaply made
>>10167289Nayrt but it already was (for several years, around 2012-2016). It's largely been supplanted in the buzzword lexicon by "snowflake", although that one finally seems to be petering out a bit.
>>10167450Very cheaply-made shoes can be really difficult to repair because the materials tend to disintegrate, and some of the internal structural pieces are made from literal cardboard. You might want to consider getting tougher outsoles put on your shoes before they reach the point where they need to be repaired.
>>10167450No because of the same reason your cobblers said. I just buy new shoes. It's straight up cheaper to replace the shoes than to repair them. Lolita shoes aren't even worth the boxes they ship in.
>>10167450I do but also I get better quality shoes so it’s worth the effort.
I really want to start some worn image archive but it would undoubtly cause drama because of image rights.
How often does btssb/aatp update their outlet?
>>10167562I think you just have less tolerance since we have stupid jfashion question threads. A year from now we won't be allowed to ask anything in the lolita general.
>>10167389Yes. That's irrelevant to the overseas buyers being mostly Chinese.
>>10167140I got one in a different colorway for much cheaper recently. I think you need to drop the price by at least 100$, maybe even 150$.
>>10167566How would one determine which questions belong to which thread?
>>10166996so then why get mad people from /fa/ (another board) might come here?
People in here are saltier than usual
>>10167566>>10167568I don't see that many stupid questions? >>10167561 can't even be answered by googling.
>>10167562We need to update the sticky
>>10167645And what would the sticky say about btssb/aatp's outlet? I can't find anything useful about it
Is there anyone with the meta telephone print (jsk/skirt) that would be able to help me get a full flatlay of the print? I'm planning a project with a friend and we want to make sure that we are getting the print drawn out properly before we start working if this is suited for a different thread i apologize now!
>>10167701You are asking us to help you make a print replica?
>>10167729No, i want a tattoo of it and want to make sure it's properly drawn
Am I the only one who didn't know Baby the Stars Shine Bright has an outlet until now
>>10167498That would be tricky. You could ask users to upload on a voluntary basis or by asking each person for permission where possible.
>>10167701Ask lovely lor
Reminder to report and ignore bait
>>10167701Ask someone who owns it or message Kato-san directly imo
>>10167791Hi tattoo anon here, I never said art theft was okay? And I don't understand where you even got that from. I stopped responding because I don't want to contribute toward shitting up a thread over something as stupid as this. I agree that if an artist doesn't want their stuff used, it's not okay, but Katosan says it's okay in general for people to get her stuff tattoo'd and encourages people to share their tattoos based on her work with her. I haven't messaged her asking for her files because I also don't believe she has files from that long ago. I didn't realize this would offend someone this bad, so sorry? What am i supposed to say?
>>10167795Don't do this anon, they're trolling you. Just do what >>10167793 and >>10167785 suggested
>>10167795Kato has actually kept a ton of old meta stuff. She may not have the original art but probably some print outs from the era. It might be worth messaging her. Good luck with the tattoo, it seems like it'll be cute.
>>10167431>>10167432>>10167434>>10167436>>10167437>>10167442>>10167443none of this are it sorryits definilty carnival but i meant one girl was wearing the black versions of the dress and the other girl the pink version of itthank you for trying, this are all super cute>>10167446im glad someone knows what it is and i didnt just dream it, for years i have been trying to find itI was talking to my fiance about carnival and how i really wanted it because of it but then when i was trying to find the photo i realized it wasnt anywhere online
>>10167587how is that irrelevantall I'm saying is more buyers, regardless of where they are, mean more of a reason for people, no matter their location or ethnicity, to scalp.
>>10167875I hope you find it, anon. I kinda want to see it now too
anyone caught that rufflechat drama with that fake feminist celebrity shaming us and that 12yo belle delphine skinwalker calling herself lolita while making ahegaos in Bodyline?
>>10167952What a mad cunt. Honest I think she is just jelly af. "Look at me, don't look at the frills, only I am authentic sexy feminist womans, they are stinky weak pedo bait." that cringey insta story thou, imagine bring that attention seeking.
>>10167974she definitely is, bitch has a party in the city wig as her daily wig,smeared lipstick and is big mad about sex workers or any girl showing some skin or feeling cute.she wishes she had a body to show or looked cute period
>>10167952>>10167974>>10167980There's a thread for this newfags>>>10144483
>>10167986Careful anon, if you point out there are specific threads for specific things so people don’t clog the general you will hurt their feelings.
>>10167988All RC drama goes in the online comm thread. The celebrity drama started on RC.
>>10167432>>10167436>>10167437This is what dreams are made of. >>10167980So much to bash about this particular individual and you chose her appearance. How original.
>>10167980She's a bitch but wow the number of people who can't tell the difference between a wig and real hair is too fucking high
>>10167778Nope. I didn't either
God fuck kamiuchida0730, mireianduramirei, rina59341, ebxbexiko, the other auction scalpers and everyone who supports them. I thought at least the japanese knew better.
>>10168140Omg this is adorable
>>10167778I didnt eitherDo other brands have one also?
>>10167465It wasn't that bad around this board and more often than not incorrectly used until recently though.
>>10168140To be an IW model, you have to take one step. To be a BTSSB model, you have to fork out a whole arm.
>>10168180Meta has one
>>10167421This is the closest I have
>>10168140I don't like the coord, wish they had carried the mod style of the dress into the coord as a whole. Opaque socks or tall white boots, a pillbox hat, and resin bangles
>>10168075her hair is so bad in that specific pic that it looks like a wig though ngl>>10168062oh,did you feel attacked? sorry you're ugly i guess :)
>>10168209I like this one
>>10168237>oh,did you feel attacked? sorry you're ugly i guess :)Ntayrt but this seems like some sad attempt at a "sorry you got posted" comment
>>10168237>implying Jameela Jamil posts hereNews at 11, anon confirmed brain-dead
New IW Release!>British Striped Round Collar Dress>23800 yen>Colourways: Beige X Beige, Navy X Beige, Black X Beige>Sizes M/L
>>10168333This is so cute but I can't justify getting it for myself because I already own quite a few similar IW dresses. Would also have liked a bit more lace detailing at the hem and sleeves.
>>10168333Innocent World used to be my favourite brand but they've been so boring recently. This just doesn't have the levels of detail that I expect from lolita. Sick of these 3/4 sleeves too
Pic related sold out instantly. I know a lot of people here didn't like it but I'm really hoping for an MTO or at least another release.
>>10168401Same. A real shame too because I want to support them, but they haven't released anything I actually want to buy in a very long time.
>>10168420Fuck, I missed it. I hope they MTO too
>>10168198KEK she paid the iron price
>>10168420suprised that sold out. all of these AP releases this season look taobao tier
>>10168441The dark blue colorway actually looks nice and finally it's a waist cut
>>10168420Im so excited my ss got the full set!!
>>10168420Looks like a Krad release, but I dig the OTKs
>>10168524They’re salty they don’t have as much clout as rich Chinese girls.
>>10168529>being contrarian like the rest of the seagull hive mind is thinking for yourself
>>10168524>>10168531like 2 people complained, one of which said they still dig the OTKs. stop getting mad for no reason.
>>10168524>>10168527Why do you talk in 3rd person if you're on cgl yourself? You are part of the website right now.
>>10168565so are you mad people don't like it or something? why are you bringing it up again? would you like us to reiterate to you that we don't like it? im not understanding what your goal is, if not to just whine more about a non-issue. there are so many different styles that people are bound to dislike any release.
>>10166720This is the cutest thing
>>10168600everyone must like every AP release anon. and if you absentmindedly say "ugh, next" then you're a SALTY GULL WHO IS BANDWAGONING.
>>10168600Exactly. Only praising AP is allowed according to anon.
>>10166983It was posted here a while back and some anon translated it, you'll probably be able to find it in the archives. >>10167026>>10167102Same. Considering the fact she's only ever talked about men, she's probably straight, which is a shame considering how many men don't respect her because of her involvement in the fashion.
>>10168639i can't find it in the archives
>>10168420I can easily see Japanese girls liking this. Cgl is full of westerners so we're not a good gauge if things will sell well or not.
>>10168420First time I was able to get a set online. Usually need SS or pray to the MTO gods. Honestly love any space theme and it looks so pretty to me
If you google lolita fashion this shit about pedos pops up. Seriously google wtf
>>10168766The Internet is being scrubbed clean. We're just one of the unfortunate casualties
>>10168766Ads are based off your search results - this isn't showing up for me because I don't search the same things you do.What are you searching I wonder.
>>10168572>You are part of the website right nowWhy do you talk like you're in the matrix
>>10168580Yea but you can't lie to yourself about this obvious fucking meme that anons pull:>AP look like taobao kek kek kekDo you think people who say this dumb shit are being real? They're being contrarian to get replies.
>>10169018For me it doesn't show up when I search lolita fashion, but it does when I search Kinki Kids lol
>>10169026>to get repliesNo one is replying to that except the same person who always gets butthurt when someone points out a release looks like taobao. God forbid someone has a different opinion, they MUST be trolling/salty/jelly/contrarian.
>>10169018No it shows up when you google anything with the term lolita in it
>>10169018I got the same results on incognito mode.
>>10169068Gulls have mentioned that AP releases look like Taobao since 2015. Yet it's only the past two something months where someone, and only one anon, always screams bait as soon as someone connects AP with taobao which then prompts the rest to derail the thread with explanation why they are serious and indeed think it looks like cheap quality. How come they didn't bitch about contrarian opinions the previous 3 years? That's right, because they are a dumb newfag.
>>10169072Did you read anything I typed?>>10169073There is a difference between debates and dismissing opinions as "bait" from the get go, which only happened recently.
>>10169075Literally only newfag, the others were indirect quotes.
>>10169078Read again. I'm not saying disagreeing with the "ap looks like taobao" statement makes one a samefag. But dismissing year long frequent opinions as bait and contrarian every single time they are mentioned and only by one anon at a time and only recently is suspicious.
>>10169081>>10169080Do you just read one post without reading the post they are responding to?
>>10169083Read my post and maybe you'll figure it out.
>>10169086>I have no idea what the topic is or what the conversation is about but let me comment anyway
>>10169089Call-out shit doesn't work on anonymous imageboards, why would I care?Since you seem to have trouble reading or understanding the meaning of deflecting, I'll quote the post again just for you.>>10169075>>10169081And this is what it was responding to:>>10169026I hope this help you understand 4chan's reply system better, happy browsing.
>>10169096>those are a lot of buzzwords>I only used one, the others were indirect quotes of the posts I'm replying to>See, this is the post I'm replying to with the buzzwords you mentioned>N-No u can't read!!!The only one who isn't addressing anything is you.
>>10169101>thinking using buzzwords is excused by anything>’m starting to think that all of this is a nuclear tantrum thrown by a newfagUh-hu. You really aren't reading what you are responding to or simply don't understand it nor do you read what you yourself type. I can't explain it even more obviously without losing IQ points, so you gotta have to figure that one out yourself, retard-chan.
Why is Sugar Bouquet so expensive?
So nobody knows this? >>10167561 I've seen them re-stock something there before but I don't check every day so idk
>>10169181Someone did that already and the reply was "I didn't know they had an outlet"
>>10169201You belong in the stupid thread
>>10169205It's okay to admit you don't know the answer
>>10169026When I say it, I mean it.
>>10169062Its not showing up for me. Why is that anon?
>>10169372It appears in the USA and the UK, not sure about other countries
>>10169373I'm in the US and I just get results for the book.Not sure why you're seeing it.
>>10169222So? You're still contrarian and using your opinion to get (you)'s. We get it. You think it looks like "taobao".
Does anyone know about Cornet's average sizing? I found a cute dress, but there was no size listed, so I tried to find it on other sites, or even just more Cornet dresses in general, and I only discovered a Wunderwelt dress that had the waist size listed as 37 cm/14 inches. That...doesn't sound right.Any help?
>>10169385Well it just proves that non celebs misinformation that lolita equals pedoshit if even google thinks that we are perverts. Its almost everyones first port of call when researching a topic now and it doesn't paint us in the best light. I'm a woman in my mid thirties, my searches are pretty much limited to crafts, recipes & what else was that actor in of the programme i am watching right now. Kind of a stretch to equate that to searches for child porn.
>>10169437You're pissed about a book with the same name of a fashion that happened long before the fashion did being the first search result?Go complain to Google you goofball.
>>10169428I don't know much about Cornet, sadly, but when you see such small measurements it typically means they were taken flat, so you're supposed to double them. So 37cm = 74cm.
>>10169437There are women with the given name Lolita, how do you think they feel about this shit? I understand you're upset but words and names have several meanings and connotations and it's really not that big a deal at the end of the day. Wear your frills and move on.
>>10169428cornet is typical for old school sizing imo. I'd say maybe 90ish cm max for bust and 76ish or so waist. Unless there is shirring, it'd be a little more forgiving.
Has anybody seen African wax print fabric incorporated into lolita? I'm curious.
>>10169780No, why would you want that
>>10169780Someone made a yellow dress to watch Lion King musical before, you might still be able to find it on the old comms. Maybe daily_lolita? could be on getoffegl too.......Yeah, it was bad. Also she was fat and a bit snowflakey.It's probably doable if you're some kind of design genius and happen to find the exact right fabric. I can't find it in me to encourage it though, we already have enough itas abusing ugly quilting prints as it is.
>>10169158It's really popular with Japanese lolitas afaik, Baby's done a couple of re-releases based on demand.
>>10169793Are you talking about this? I think it looks well constructed and the fabric well-placed, though it is squashing her boobs a bit.Not sure why the comparison between shit quality quilting fabric - if anything i was thinking about how the more orderly, geometric design lends itself better than a lot of the super busy/floral print we see
>>10169862Someone doing that makes sense now that I see the image. Yikes.
>>10169862>geometric design is better than floral printwat? Did you somehow completely miss the aesthetic inspirations of lolita and think that anything can fit into it? Geometric prints like this don't work with the aesthetic. The coord you posted isn't ita imo, because it just doesn't register as an attempt at lolita fashion at all.
Does anyone have any suggestions for brands that make casual/normal clothes with elements similar to Lolita? I'd like to get some new casual clothes for the summer and want to go for a vintage and cute style.For anyone else who might be interested in this as well, H&M has a couple of really cute Tshirts and skirts with girly and vintage elements right now.
>>10169862This is actually well made and pretty nice. ...Is it lolita though? It certainly has the shape and pieces, but how far can you stray from the themes and stylistic indicators before it stops being lolita?This is an honest question. I am kind of in the middle on this. You should be able to push the boundaries since it is a fashion but what really separates lolita from just a puffy dress?
>>10169890A lot of lolita brands make casual clothes with cute lace or prints, see >>10164713
>>10169905>what really separates lolita from just a puffy dress?It used to be about high quality, attention to tiny details, design choices, and motifs that call back to themes, ideas, and aesthetics that lolita took inspiration from, i.e. fairytales, gothic themes, romanticized ideas of the Victorian era, etc. But with decreasing quality in brands and an active push to break from "boundaries", lolita is kind of losing it's aesthetic identity in the last few years. Sorry if that comes off as unnecessarily dramatic, it's how I see things.In any case, I'd stay that things like quality, details, and motifs still set lolita apart from other styles, and saying that geometric prints like this "work better" than florals, like anon said, is hilariously off base.
>>10169911I agree. I feel like Taobao becoming more popular and a lot of the weird dresses we get from there has pushed this. There is plenty of fine stuff coming from China, but the aesthetic has changed a lot from this.Do you think this might be while old school is on trend again? People trying to move things back toward center?
>>10169908Nayrt but this is really cute, thank you for reminding me this exists
>>10169877I said super busy/floral and I said it would lend itself better, not that squares and circles have an inherent superiority to flowers. I know you've been in this fashion long enough to know lolita isn't literally just spiraling roses and plates of macarons. I can see where you might feel it doesn't fit the aesthetic, though I disagree - change the colors to dusty pink, light brown, and cream, maybe add a bustle and I've seen this dress before. It is too busy for my taste, but as far as attempts go, it's nowhere near as hideous as was suggested. This fashion has taken on comparable patterns before, no reason this is extraordinarily different
>>10169919The print you posted looks more like an antique wallpaper in terms of design and layout (chocolate motifs and questionable colorway aside, obviously), it's not just geometric shapes. I'm not a fan of modern busy prints, in all fairness, but I'm still of the opinion that the geometric fabric you posted as examples wouldn't suit lolita. Then again, I might have an outdated view of the style and what suits it, I'd love to be proven wrong if I am.
>>10169905idk, i don't think it matters as that much.A lot of things have changed since 2003. The emphasis on ott ruffles and contrasting black fabric/white lace is largely gone and sometimes it's hard to even appreciate it. Qi lolita, previously an insta-ita style has quite a few decent looks. Various mooks display designs we don't normally associate with. China forced cat prints on us. There's still girls out there trying to make nerd bedsheet lolita happen. At the end of the day, we all call ourselves lolitas. Fashions change and evolve over time, just like everything else.neway short answer, if it fits like lolita, drapes like lolita, and is of comparable quality to what we consider good looks, idk why the print being unusual would really be a disqualifier, not like there's a math book like "okay x+y=lolita, where x=sky blue/pink colorway and y=cute themed border print, however y can be substituted with an all over print IF x=(these colors) OR y can=an ironic science print IF variable z (fluffy blouse/cardigan) is added
>>10169780all over would be a terrible idea, but I could definitely see a pattern like this being incorporated in a successful way by the right mind.
>>10169780Looks good as is. I kinda think the print would look a little confused in lolita unless you were doing a minimal lolita look as in a plain jsk with no pintucks or ruffles or lace, unless you could make a cluny lace to match the pattern or something or gathers and folds that work with the pattern. Have you seen the plus loli who wears a turban, she incorporates the odd traditional element
>>10169862As much as I hate this fucking dress, a lot of people love it and it is just as much of a clusterfuck as the dress you posted.As far as I'm concerned, gems are just geometric shapes and the pattern for pic related is just geometric shapes repeated in a line but in different colors. I know anons love to wax semantics about what brands pump put but if brands think this goofy print is ok as lolita then so fucking be it.I can't think of another hobby where the consumers/fans get to dictate what the actual companies are saying.
>>10169929>China forced cat prints on us.The fuck? No they didn't.
>>10170007The gems on this have small detailed images inside of them, kind of stupid to compare this to the handmade dress.
>>10170011>small detailed imagesI do remember hearing that when it got released. I've only ever seen photos online where people actually purchased this.But I don't think that has anything to do with the big picture here. I can't see the details in that handmade dress either but that doesn't mean they aren't there. No one is disputing details. We're talking about clusterfuck prints and how they work in lolita.
>>10170021And yet >>10170007 said “gems are just geometric shapes” and then likened it to >>10169862, but Dreamy Jewel has images of angels etc. on it, so it just being “geometric shapes” is retarded.
>>10170025Did you know that the first two posts you quoted are both from me.I already said we're not disputing details.And yes. They are geometric shapes.
>>10170028Please tell me more about how angels, unicorns, and crosses with ribbons are all geometric shapes kek.
>>10170031The gems are.>kekWhat the fuck ever ok. You clearly just want to argue and not have an actual discussion about this.
>>10170007I agree with you anon. After reading interviews with Kira Imai and attending her Q&A panel, I'm under the impression that lolitas just wanted to dress in what they thought were western clothes. So it's all an interpretation of what westerners wore in another time period. Clothing patterns themselves don't actually matter other than trying to make it aesthetically pleasing.
>>10169929>China forced cat prints on usI for one welcome our feline overlords.
>>10170218>I'm under the impression that lolitas just wanted to dress in what they thought were western clothesDamn. That is a game changer for sure.
>>10170218>>10170249Not really, I have a feeling they had some strict fantasy definition of what they'd consider "western clothing in another time period" and it wasn't open for some nonsense debate like "Africa is totally not Eastern therefore it is western therefore every single African thing must be lolita". That's kinda bullshit.So given the type of western fantasy you find Momoko spouting (as the closest well-known proxy), it actually makes it way more obvious to figure that curving florals and fancy French desserts are much more in line with motifs you'd find on a lolita dress rather than a loud print of abstract geometrical shapes.Even qi/walolita is easily explained by chinoiserie, though it's now funny to think it's Asian girls imitating western-looking clothes imitating asian clothes>>10169919>>10170007You know, I think when you have to resort to naming prints you already know aren't fully well-liked, you've probably hit bottom and are on the wrong track.
>>10170269I never said that and you're the one debating it. I agree that it was a general feeling, but the main brands stick to what sells well. That doesn't mean indie brands aren't lolita because they don't follow your pattern rules.
>>10170041Nayrt but having one geometric aspect to a print doesn’t make the entire thing equivalent to the abstract all over geometric patterns we’re talking about, that’s just silly.
>>10170386I'm not the one arguing about patterns above. I just came in and saw the debate and then made a couple of comments about it. I remain unconvinced that a simple statement like "western clothes" is all that game-changing. It easily fits into interpreting lolita as being "influenced by baroque/victorian/[time period] children's/fantasy clothing". In other words, it's already what every other lolita since days of egl has defined what lolita is. It just so happens to tie back to the geometric argument pretty neatly, is all.As for indie brands -- they can stand on their own merit, Excentrique, Moon Afternoon, Rosa Bianca, etc are all accepted as indie lolita brands on their aesthetics alone, not their size or "main brand"ness. I don't think we should make an exception because you want crazy prints? idk just wear crazy prints if you want, not like anyone is gonna come in and stop you. At worst it just gets posted on CoF and then people will either complain/agree it is/isn't lolita, which is what they'll do anyway, regardless of however hard you're arguing on here.
>>10170269You realize France occupied Africa right? And that Africa is a large continent?Listen to what you're saying. You're sitting here comparing countries to entire continents.
>>10170387So are you seriously trying to say that dreamy jewel isn't a clusterfuck of shapes?
>>10170393I'm not either and I didn't take "game changer" anon seriously. I thought they were baiting. I was saying I don't think there are these strict rules just because some designers were inspired by certain time periods. You're saying there shouldn't be exceptions while I'm saying I don't think there are rules.
>>10170393>we should make an exception because you want crazy prints?Who is "we"? And obviously lolitas want crazy prints, look at what sells.
>>10170444>I'm saying I don't think there are rulesGame changer anon here. I think you and other anons misinterpreted that one.It's a game changer for me because it changed the way I think of the fashion a little. I never said it applied to you or anyone else nor did I think you and other repliers who take it to heart so much that you'd feel the need to dissect the most simple statement. Also lolita definitely has rules but I don't think they are for prints, more just the silhouette.
>>10169862I think the fabric is lovely, it almost looks like bows. I just don't think this dress is styled and executed as well as it could be. If it had a ruffle in the sheer blue or a bit of gold lace on the bottom hem, and if the girl had socks or tights on, it would work better. Some more detailing on the bust area would be nice too, maybe some pearls? It's just a bit too plain for lolita, it doesn't have the stylistic touches imo.
>>10170451>lolita definitely has rules but I don't think they are for prints, more just the silhouetteYou realize that there are other fashion styles that have a very similar silhouette, right? The silhouette matters in lolita but it's not the one and only thing that makes it what it is, otherwise anything with a poofy skirt could potentially be lolita, which is just not true.
Lolita FB groups are being deleted again. What’s going on?
>>10170526Do they have lolita in the name? Idk why everyone hasn't switched to egl yet
>>10170526It's not just lolita groups, there's currently some fb groups dedicated to reporting other groups or something, a bunch are setting themselves as secret until it dies down
>>10168420God I missed getting the jsk by like 2 minutes, got my fingers crossed for an MTO too
Do people generally put things in the correct category on fril, or will I miss out on things if I only look at the skirt category of btssb if that's what I'm looking for?
>>10170444>>10170496But there were never any really strict rules. The handbook was written up to help newbies dress themselves, not applied to the fashion as a rulebook to say if you're in or out. There's just a bunch of aesthetics, and the thing is for some reason western people just can't seem to look at a moodboard and read the whole "fantasy oldey timey western clothing" aesthetic without someone handholding them with a bunch of rules for some reason. Hence, rules. It's about as restrictive or as carefree as you want. I'd put the prints down as something that would either contribute or take away from the aesthetic itself, but sure, if you need a rulebook that you have to tick off and then satisfy yourself that something is "lolita" because "it's about the silhoutte, not the print", suit yourself.
>>10170566People frequently misstag pieces, at least from Moitie. I'd advise searching for the whole Brand tag and organizing with "recent first".
You all talking about rules, I hope you're aware of that GLB Extra with the handbook written by different Brands. Victorian Maiden had a small part on it where it says something on the lines of: "The rules are for those who are not certain on how to start. We believe that's it's best if everyone try and experiment with the fashion using your own personality."And then they had this coord (pic) there as "Classic Lolita".
>>10170608(This was on this same magazine, but this time, By Marble)
>>10170608Yukiko was always my favorite model. I wonder what she’s doing now?
>>10170610Angelic Pretty had their take on Sweet Lolita and I feel like this was the only Brand that actually made something that looks like what we see as Lolita today here on the west.sry for the long posting, but I do love these old magazines and how they are often going on the opposite direction of these "rules" people are so eager to defend nowadays.
>>10168420AP Paris just got ot in stock
>>10170608no one translated this fully?
how does wunderwelt make everything look so cheap in their pictures, jfc
>>10170647I, for one, thank them for that. Means that there are less chances of someone randomly picking things I'm already looking for.
>>10170600Well said anon.>>10170608These look really useful. Are there higher quality versions? Some of the text is impossible to read unfortunately.
>>10170608I wish I know about this before for all the newfags trying to insist tea length VM isn't lolita.
>>10170613Pretty sure those rules you're talking about were stated in one of the first 4 glb's and even earlier in keras and there even translations stating them somewhere on lj. It's not like they are made up by the west.Despite all you can still experiment all you want, just don't call it lolita.
>>10170613>I feel like this was the only Brand that actually made something that looks like what we see as Lolita today here on the westYou ignored the MAM page.
>>10170922>>10170622I don't have this issue but a friend of mine does. I'll ask her later for scans or translations.
>>10170939Oh, You're right. Although they called that red coord as "casual gothic"
>>10170943They called it casual gothic lolita and nd it's also what we see nowadays (not just ap), despite the issue being from 2006. Though I wonder why they didn't include baby in that spread.
such a sad petti
>>10170959>>10170951Nayrt, but that's far from what we usually call "casual" nowadays. Just check >>>10147498 for further reference.Also, if someone wants to call that goth, ok. But I, myself, would never use that and say it's goth. But this discussion would probably derail this thread, so I'll just stop here.
>>10170972The point was that it's what we also see as lolita today, so it's not just a western view. And no one said it's goth, anon probably just overread the last word.
Pretty sure the new user syurup is milkyuki/hanayoku. Brand new account, posting a bunch of expensive dresses minutes after milkyuki posted some. I also suspicions about KittyK8860
Yukata (Blue Rose)Price: >Yukata: 23,760JPY (incl. tax)>Yukata & obi set: 29,160JPY (incl. tax)Colours: >Yukata: Blue rose print>Obi: BlueLength: 163cmSleeve length: 48cmBack center ~ sleeve hem: 67cm Material:Yukata: 100% CottonObi: 100% Polyester>https://twitter.com/moitie_official/status/1129265545499611136>https://twitter.com/moitie_official/status/1129265402482184197Release date: May 25, 12pm noon JST
>>10171169That is uber beautiful. If they weren't scheduled to rerelease Silent Moon, I'd buy this one right away.
>>10171169I can't unsee that weird clip on fringe she seems to be using these days.That said I'd like the yukata more if they went for their candelabra logo instead of that strange MMM branded all over.
>>10170933Why not call it lolita? Some random people calling the wrong thing lolita isn't going to influence what brands release and change the fashion as a whole.
>>10171063Thanks for the heads up
>>10170933Anon, check your facts. There's a Kera from 98 that depicts a Lolita wearing crocs and explaining that it should be as colourful as possible.
>>10170007The problem is this dress still has plenty of the things that define lolita. A feeling of luxury (gemstones especially evoke that), very effeminate, lots of lace, high quality, and clearly inspired from the eras most lolita is. You can hate this print all you want, but it really is very lolita and nothing about it isn't.>>10169862This is probably as good as wax print lolita could ever be, but this whole coord has none of thee above. The pattern is simply not lolita at all and no brand has ever used wax print and probably ever will. I think >>10169905 anon has the right idea where we should not be thinking a puffy dress alone makes us what we are as a fashion.
>>10171212Yeah, and? How does that make anything I've said wrong? Kera and glb mentioned the anatomy of lolita several times over the years and as the years passed it got more defined.
>>10171187Because it will inevitably attract and reaffirm the lolita at heart types who want to call everything lolita that we tried to keep away for years.
>>10171247But those people will do that anyway. Itas and lolitas at heart exist and they're not hurting anyone lol. You're only scaring actual lolitas who broke one or two rules from posting.
>>10171187Agreed. I think people take it too seriously. I think it is fair to say "that isn't lolita to me", but I don't think there is really any reason to fight people on it.You will never be able to unify the community completely and this seems like a more or less harmless disagreement. I assume the people who are real into it are just young and pushing for a label that they can identify with completely.
>>10171169Posting a Moitie update without using Mana Sama's photo? HERESY.Down with the coconut queen!
>find a nice new accessory>obsess over it>realize very few things in my closet match it>start trying to find other items and plan out a coord to accentuate it>end up discovering a bunch of other clothes/accessories I want>don't have the money to get *everything* I want>by the time I do get the money, the items I found may be gone forever because this is all rare secondhand/old school stuff>cry on the inside with this knowledgeAnyone else know this suffering? Lolita can be such a fucking trap sometimes, I swear.
>>10171475Go to the feels thread dumbass
>>10171176She’s mentioned that mmm asked her to wear clip-in fringe — I prefer her without, but I guess she looks more vkei with it. >>10171311Coconut queen?
>>10171476>don't post about lolita in lolita general >:(Are you okay in the brain, anon? Did you just not like the greentext?
>>10171485That post is exactly the type of post that should go in the feels thread. The lolita general is for new releases and current topics, not you bitching about your life.
>>10171487Better have a bitch at the anon upthread who was happy about getting a job that allowed her to buy Lolita, too, then.
>>10171488Yes, that post belongs in the feels thread too, good job!
>>10171489And yet, somehow, you're the only one who's this obsessive about it.
>>10171492People complain about this all the time, they even did so in this thread. Lurk more newfag.
>>10171494>one person did this>their complaint/mini-modding got deleted, while all the "offending" posts were left upI see. Since the janitor already dismissed you, it was kind of a mistake to reply at all. I only wish I'd known before. I'll stop engaging now.
>>10171492It’s annoying anon. Just remember it for the next time. Let it go.
>>10171497>blogpost like an idiot attention whore in the wrong thread>reee when called out about itWasn’t me, and again, it’s common for people to complain about. Lurkmoar newfag.
>>10171492nayrt but it’s aggrivating to see newfags attention seeking with feelsposts in the general.
>>10171492Just listen to them and go to the feels thread, they are right.>>10171497Jannies delete everything that gets reported.
>>10171475nayrt, but this really is for the feels thread. No one cares about your sad uwu blogposts here.
>>10171220How was the other dress not feminine or luxurious. Pretty sure African people would see it that way.
>>10171212id like to see this considering crocs werent a thing in 98.
>>10171674What makes you think that? I wore them as a toddler
>>10171680Crocs were invented in 2002. You must be thinking of some other rubber clog.
>>10171684Well I just got Mandela effected hard. I'm not >>10171680 but I thought I had some in 2000 when I was 10
>>10171561I don't think that's what anon meant with them being luxurious enough. Are wax fabrics really on par with the quality of lolita brand fabrics?
>>10169862It's pretty good as handmade goes, and she color coorded it well. She also didn't go OTT, which I like.Sort of reminds me of the Wafrica collection, fusion can be done well and it shortcircuits SJW snowflakes who whine about muh cultural appropriation. https://www.huffingtonpost.jp/2017/10/18/odasho_a_23244231/
New mini Kumya up for reservation
>>10171674It's KERA number 8, anon. May Edition.
>>10171829Nayrt and I don't own vol. 8 Kera/Kerouac but vol. 6 was already in 1999.
>>10171688They must've existed under a different brand, I have pictures of myself wearing them as a toddler so
>>10171831Still before 2000
>>10171727What did they mean then because I'm arguing that they are luxurious.
>>10171842Still the original statement is wrong though.
Any recommended merchants/stores to get a non-shiney wig for daily use? Theres so many to choose from and the shipping time is so long I dont want to take a risk on a product only to find it isn't as good as in the pictures.
>>10171840are you sure youre not thinking of jelly shoes which were huge in the 90s but are not crocs?
>>10172170Yes I'm sure, I'm not going to post my personal pictures though